Subpar - Derek Anderson Interview: Challenges of playing against Tour players, Superstitions during NFL career

Episode Date: December 15, 2020

On this week's episode of GOLF's Subpar, former NFL Quarterback Derek Anderson joins former PGA Tour pro Colt Knost and his close friend and on course rival Drew Stoltz for an exclusive, in-studio, interview. The 14 year veteran talks the many superstitions and rituals he had throughout his playing career, his post-game rant with the Cardinals, and how difficult it is to keep up with Tour players despite being a plus handicap.

Hello world, it's time to get amongst it on golf subpar. Colt knows Drew Stoltz. Sleazy, how we doing, my man? Living the dadgum dream. Good to be back with you, getting into the holiday season here and getting out playing a little golf on the weekends. Getting a little chilly right now, so my golf might be limited, a warm-weather guy, but...

Well, let's just go ahead and get it out of the way. Another victory for the Stoltz family at the father-son, the successor, and Luppet Whisper-Ox. Huge. How many paintings do you have? Dude, I was talking about it the other day. This might be our fifth. I don't know what it is, but whatever the reason, there's a one day father, son, tournament at Whistbrook.

It's gotten pretty big, tons of guys playing it, both courses, all that. And I think this is our fourth or fifth one. But for whatever reason, that day, I tend to play my best golf of the entire year. Maybe my entire career. I go there, play great, go to Q School, shoot a thousand. But something about my dad and his negativity brings it out of me. It's just look of disappointment on his face for four hours. I try so hard for him.

And for whatever reason, it's worked out. So, yeah, we got a big one done. I heard y'all played great. West Strang, our guy, who's a very loyal. listener by the way him and his dad bill bill made seven birdies i heard they thought for sure they were going to get the w and you'll end up clipping them by a point i got more text from i didn't realize how deep it had cut him this turn a dude voicemails text he's like you son of a bitch this was our dear this is our time and uh but yeah we went out there we had it we had a hell of a day seven tweets

um for us as well but uh clean card uh for the stolt excuse me one bog for the stolt's family so uh yeah nice little show and fun to do with your pops suit too man i mean this is like a big deal you got nice and lubricated early on and he needs a couple of bloodies just to loosen up the nerves and so he was in fighting form. Well West should be just fine. He's used to letting his dad dad. He'll be okay. Dad expected absolutely zero from you. The fact that you were there and on time

you're exceeding expectations. Oh yeah, but some very cool news happening in the game of golf right now. Our guy, our number one guest, world number two, John Rom, has made quite the switch. Tell the people about it. Yes, this just broke just recently. There have been some murmurs for a while with John Rom. A long time

Taylor made players switching the entire bag over going to be on your team colt team callaway going forward 2021 so that's that's pretty big news in the world of golf let's talk about this a little bit you obviously are familiar with all the collaway product and things like that but i've been on record in the past saying i'm pretty anti guys that are this good that are top of the world he was world number one earlier switching all their stuff it's just such a roll of the dice in my opinion yeah you know like you said world number two here he is the only thing i think the thing that people need to understand at home is he was still on his rookie contract so he signed a three-year deal coming out of school i believe and

this was the last year. So he wasn't getting quite paid like a number two player, at least compared to Dustin Johnson, Roy McRoy, Justin Thomas, guys like that. He'd beat an expectation for sure. And here you have, he's a tailor-made guy all the way through the bag, but you got the likes of Dustin Johnson, Rory McRoy, Tiger Woods. Who else is on this?

I mean, it seems like everybody's on Taylor-Mist. I mean, Justin Rose is going back to him. There's only so much money for all the players. And when you got that many top players, there, I mean, you got Colin Moray Cowan, Matthew Wolf. Yep. So here's a chance for John Rom to get paid, what he thinks he should get paid. But it does come at a price of having to switch all your equipment and the golf ball. I got a good look at his bag the other day.

He's got 14 Calloway clubs and the ball. So very, very big switch for World Number Two. It's going to be interesting to see how he makes the adjustment. Yeah, it's a big switch. We saw Rory do it a while back when he was switching off all the Nike stuff, and he switched all the clubs and the ball at the same time. And he struggled for it. I don't know what the problem is.

Is it the ball? Is it the irons? Is it the driver? He's like switching all of it at once is a tough deal. I will say this about ROM. I get it way more, and I think it's, I would do the same thing if I'm in the position of Roy McElroy or John Rom. If you're one of these guys, it's going to get game over money.

We got to assume that John Rom's getting Uber paid on this deal. That's different than a guy who finished 85th on the money list, who's played Quote Ping his entire career and then been like, oh, I'm switching over to Taylor May because I'm getting 50 grand more for the seats. Like, dude, that's one cut. You know what I mean? Like that, don't go do that. Don't go do that.

Don't jeopardize your entire career just to get a quick. 50 gram. I mean, Bubba Watson did it with the golf ball a few years ago, right? And we saw him switch back pretty quickly. So that didn't work out for a guy like Aurora. I mean, getting 200, whatever, plus million from Nike. Yeah, you go do that. John Rom probably getting a massive deal on this. You probably, I mean, it's game over money, but it's the guys more in the middle of the pack that need to play in year to year on, you know, trying to keep their card. I got, that's the ones I think go so wrong or amateurs that come out and switch the whole thing before they go pro for the guy, for the highest bidder. Yeah, obviously, it wouldn't be that big of news if it was the 80th ranked guy.

FedEx. But when you got the number two player in the world switching, it's obviously a big deal. And look, I've been with Calloway for 10 plus years now. They are so great to work with. They're very good about letting you work your way into all the equipment. They're not like, okay, we're giving you this money. You sign up. You switch 14 clubs on a ball today. But I'm excited to see, John, first off, welcome to the team. They're the best in the business. It's going to be really, really cool to see how he adapts and if he can play to the same level he has or if it takes him a little bit to get back to where he needs to be. Well, round one went okay because he was out here locally, Silver Leaf Country Club, and first day with everything in the bag, 59.

That's okay. So, seems to be. Good start. Obviously, it was brilliant to switch. He's adjusted well. And, yeah, when you throw a little five-nine on the board in your first round, things have got to be looking up. But there will be an adjustment period. And I get it for John Rom.

I couldn't knock the guy. I think I'm sure he got an incredible amount of money, but tough overall for a lot of guys. We've seen a lot more failures than guys that switch clubs. And all of a sudden, like, wow, he's a way better player than he used to be. Yeah, I mean, look, you're switching the ball. you're switching your irons, which I think is the two biggest things. The driver, I think they're also good nowadays. You can do that. But, you know, you get out there in some windy conditions and you're, you know, you're used to seeing a certain flight with that golf ball and those irons and all of a sudden

you see something a little different. You're like, okay, was that me? Was that the equipment? Not really sure. So it can put a lot of doubt in your mind. But listen, I think he's going to be okay. He's slightly talented. Yeah. I got faith. I got faith in the man, just pulling through and being okay through all this. He's going to be great. But before we get to our guest, who is used to switching teams quite a bit. Let's open up the mailbag. Producer Mark, what do we got this? week. A couple questions on the PGA tour this week. First one comes from T-Fed 1. Do golfers have a preference to the Thursday and Friday tea times? I've always wondered if guys hated that 6.50 a.m. wake-up call. I mean, you can normally always, unless it's on the West Coast, you can normally bank on

really nice weather at 6.50 in the morning. It's going to be a little cooler. Obviously, a lot calmer. The greens are absolutely perfect. But you start teeing off early on the West Coast when it's about 38 degrees. It is, it is not that fun. And some guys just aren't morning guys. I've had this talk with Kevin Twy out on tour a lot. He's like, man, I wish I could play in the afternoon on Thursday and Friday. I get it. I get it. You're the same way. It's so funny talking to these guys. I'm like, dude, you know going in to every season, you're going to have one early morning tea time, so you better figure out how to deal with it. Yeah. And you're, yeah, I'm a morning guy, so I didn't really care. Mornings typically, assuming weather is good, like, it's easier, right? You get

the perfect greens and soft conditions, especially in the summer, like if you're in the southeast or or something like that, it's like, man, it's cooler. It's not as hot yet. And it's typically way easier. But there are those times, like you said on the West Coast where it's like, are you joke like seven 10 at pebble it's going to be 28 degrees with the wind chill like that type of stuff stuck i was always give me close to the middle preferably afternoon afternoon that was always my incentive on friday is like dude every bird you make you get to sleep in more on saturday so i i was a big fan of playing in the afternoon on friday because i always hovered around the cut line and i knew when i finished friday afternoon i knew if i made the cut or not in the mornings you know you'd be right

there you'd go home try to take a nap you'd look at your phone every three seconds to sleep refresh it was annoying so i kind of like to being early late yeah start doing the math all right i need three guys to make a boge. I can't have more three. Make a birdie and all that stuff. That's a long day. All right. What do we got next?

The other question comes from Don Felipe's. Maybe a reason why people don't like the early tea time. Best bar at a PGA tour venue. Cool. You probably got a little more experience. I'll just throw up the one that I'm familiar with here being in Scottsdale, Izzy's, Isabella's, which is right across street from Greyhawk, really close to TBC, Scottsdale, where they play the Phoenix Open. That place is good, pretty much the entire season.

in the winter. You show up any day of the week, you're able to see a couple, you know, handful of tour pros in there. And even if they're not there, it's still buzzing. But during Phoenix Open Week, that place is unbelievable. One of the best places in town, I would say, Isabella's will get my nod. But I only have one tour event of experience. So you probably have a little bigger arsenal to pull from it. I'll be honest. If you're ever looking for me on a Friday or Saturday night and you can't get a hold of me, go to Isabella's. There's a good chance. I'll probably be there. I'll give you two. One little classy establishment that is just obviously always a blast the tap room out at Pebble. Okay. I mean, especially during AT&T and

Pebble Beach with all the celebrities in the field. The place is just hopping. It is super, super fun. And then one, I don't think a lot of people would think of the hotel bar at PGA National. Really? Yep. So right there on site, they have a hotel. Most of the players stay there.

But for that week, they make a massive bar in the middle of the lobby, dance floor all around it, bars on the outside of it. Place gets jumping. It is a blast. Really? I did not know they converted that into a bar there. It is crowded. Okay.

That's good. A lot of locals in there that can stumble home too. Yeah. Oh, just one other option. The bar at the Marriott at TPC Sawgrass. It's right off site there. It gets really going too. Okay.

This is all good. This is all good. If you're looking to get out there and get amongst it with the fellas, any of those three would suffice. All right. Well, let's get to this week's guest. Like I said, a man who's not scared to switch teams a few times throughout his career. The great Derek Anderson, our guy, played all over the league.

One of our favorite dudes to play golf with up at Whisparock. One of the best dudes just a big. dude who just happened to be better athlete than everybody pretty much ever went up against you shake his hand and you feel like an infant his hands just engulf you these big gorilla hands but a guy that like we'll talk about no one loves golf more than derrick anders like he legitimately loves it he would be i've gotten text from him at half time of the final game of the NFL season like hey golf on monday i'm like you're guys are you know they're out of the playoff on but i'm like isn't the game going on right now but i mean he he he has eat up with it works with uh your guy mark blackburn and he spends a lot of time on it and he's just he's just a dude that loves nothing more than playing golf I think playing bad golf probably pissed him off more than throwing an interception late in the game. I mean, he is the guy, like you said, he's just so obsessed with the game. He's, like when Mark comes here to work with all his tour players, I mean, I think DA gets more time than the tour players, obviously because he requires a lot more, but he's just so in love with the game and wants to get better so bad. Yeah, all right, Ches, scoot over.

Your shit looks pretty good. I'm going to get in here. I got a lot to deal. Dude, I played with him, the member member at Whisper Rock. So he plays with Kevin Chappell. You can't play two tour pros together. They won't allow that. So all the tour pros have to have an amateur as a partner.

Chappi and DA always play. I was playing with, I can't remember who I was playing with. We were another group of Chess and his partner at the time. Through four holes on the lower golf course, D.A. was having a bad stretch. Wasn't coming out the gates too quickly. I think he was like four over through four, which, you know, like three and four are the two of the easier scoring holes.

If you're going to play well, he typically are under par after four. And he teed off on the fourth hole, hit another bad shot into the desert, walks over to his cart. We're all still hitting. Walks over to his cart. grabs his bag, puts it on his shoulder. Walk the remaining 18 holes of the day. Didn't talk didn't do.

It was like a member, remember. We're all drinking, having fun. We're like, oh, DA's pounding. Nothing. Just put his head down and went. Like, that's how much he cares about. He, like, legitimately loves it. I don't think I've ever been so mad I wanted to walk.

Never. That'd be, no, zero percent chance. Awesome. Well, let's get to him. Here's the big fella. Derek Anderson on Golf Subpar. All right, we've been looking forward to this one for a long time. Last three weeks, we've had some of the best golfers on the planet.

This week, I would argue, we bring in a man who loves golf more than anyone on the planet. Thirteen-year NFL quarterback, the big fella. Derek Anderson in the building. How are we doing, brother? Good. How you guys don't? You shorter me a year, though. Are you 14? Yeah, I snuck that last one. You got to check. It wasn't really a full year. It was a sleepy night-night doing, but. Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah, we'll give you credit for that. Round up. Hey, still good. And the pension accounts. Round up. He put the, he put the pads on, went to work.

One pretty. That counts. Hey. I had one year on the PJ tour. Okay. Relax. Didn't you guys talk about that a few weeks ago? Yeah, Maya Coba. That's right. That's right. One event. He's a PGA tour veteran. Yeah. One tournament. Crafty.

A lot more than I have. But we mentioned how much you love golf. I talked to your coach, Mark Blackburn. You're in the stable. He said you're an addict. You can't get enough. Sometimes you try to be too perfect. What is it about this game that absolutely draws you to it and drives you crazy?

I think it's just like the strategy being old to like actually play. Like you guys do it great. Like, oh yeah, hit it right there 15 feet right the flag. What sounds great. Like, cool. I do the decade thing. Well, I can't hit it 20 feet, right? It's like every single time.

Like, I don't know. I think it's just like a little bit of the competition is great for me. Like I obviously love gambling and forcing myself to get better and I lose a lot, but that's fine. Chipping, putting. Like, I totally enjoy the short game part because I'm not a very good iron player, so I just work on that. But I don't know. It is very addictive.

I think maybe I have a slightly addictive personality. Just a little bit. Yeah, and I feel like quarterbacks, they're used to being the guy. Like they got to, you know, played starting quarterback in the NFL, like you're used to being the dude. And then the challenge in golf, like you start something,

you're like, I'm not very good at it. You want to become good at, because you're not used to being bad at anything. Right. Like, I mean, I've put a ton of work in,

like, probably the last six or seven years. Like, I didn't really, like you guys, I didn't really understand, like the physics of it, right?

Like how to make the ball go certain ways, like the strategy. Like, I'm still working on that. But, yeah, it's just like a thing that I,

not great. I mean, I'm not terrible, but like, I'm not great and I just always think I can improve. It might be wrong sometimes. I feel like I, I feel like I just. First of all, you're a plus point five. You're a plus. I think you're skewed on how good you are because you play with like all tour pros and plus handicaps. So you just think you suck. If you're not a tour player, you're really good. You're not doing it up with you. That's not factual information. Pretty factual. I do enjoy it because I do learn a lot. I'm sick of losing money to you. So I just,

yeah, you haven't played with me in months. It has been a couple months. I just, I couldn't win. So I go there I just either win or I lose. It's pretty easy. Lose 100 to win a hundred. Yeah, you got a good chance to be John Robin Chappell. I get strokes. I get strokes. Not enough with those fellas.

How many strokes does Chap give you? Six. Six and a match play. No, we do a match play. We do a match play and a stroke play. See, I like that. That's how it should be done. So like either, it rarely happens where one guy wins the match or wins the stroke.

Most of the time, if I play well, And I win the stroke. I'm obviously going to win the match play. But that's fun. I played wrong right before he left, went to the Masters. I think he gave me six. And then I forgot I was getting a stroke on 18. And I didn't, I just like, I lose.

I thought I lost on 17. I got to the card. And I'm like, I stroke there. I actually had a chance to beat him. I just said, that's good. I picked it up. But that's cool. I mean, he's the number two player in the world.

Like, how ridiculous. Like, you're a plus. 5. You're a really good golf. There's a lot of plus 0.5s out there that think they can play on tour. Tell everybody. How ridiculously good a guy like John Romm is. I try to explain it.

Like my buddy's at home. Like, oh, you should try to play. I'm like, dude, I'm not even close to good enough. Like, I can't even make the US midam yet.

Like, so like when I, first time I play with John, I like, call my buddy, it's wanting. And I was like, dude, this is crazy.

Like, it almost looks like the dude, it sticks to his club face and he's just like, boy, it's going to go right over there. Oh, it sticks right here. And he,

and he, like, throws. So far. So far. And it looks like it's like spinning and going up in the air and he's going to fall this guy at like 270 doesn't

like here's actually pretty funny when we were playing the Silver Leaf member guest a few years back and he was playing in it with Tim Nicholson and the lake hole, whatever that one is I can't remember. He hits this, smashes it down there he's got this like 50 or 60 yard chip

in the 13 and I'm like oh, chunked it it went in like so you're not going to be an analyst any time it literally sounded like he hit a fat, but I was like, did you chunk that? And he was like, no. And I was like, okay, cool.

But like, I mean, John, like, all the guys who have played out there, like there's just a different level of execution. Like, you're going to hit a cut. You're going to, you're going to miss. Like, John, he's got, I don't see how he can't, you know, compete to be the no-one player in the world for a long time. His short game is ridiculous. He puts it good and he hits it 3.30.

Like, I don't know if that's, is that good? I'm not sure. He's got that F-U in him, too. Like, whether it's five bucks or $5,000, but he wants it. But you mentioned, you mentioned, like, your buddies are like, dude, you should try to go play and all this. Brandl Chambly, who was a guest on the program, asked after we sat down with Tony Romo.

They're like, Brando's like, does he really think he can play on the PJ tour? I'm like, yes, 100%. He goes, you know what you should have done? You should have went up and strung up a tire in the building from 10 yards and thrown a football through it and told him you're going to go play quarterback in the NFL. Because you might have a better chance. 100%.

Like, obviously, like, the high-level amateur tournaments are even hard enough. Like I've played a bunch of these basketball tournaments with some of the guys that played in college, like a bunch of guys from Texas, and you can compete with them for a couple days. Like, you get a three-day tournament and these guys, their ball striking is ridiculous, even though they don't really play that much anymore.

I mean, they're just that much superior of a ball striker and a golfer than a guy like me that tries so hard and works at it. Like, it's just a gift. Like, I was given a gift to throw a football. Like, picked up a football, boom, I don't have those little, like perfect little bits. Well, you're going to say, look.

Every time we play, I always look. I'm like, gosh, it would be really nice. If I could just put my hands on the club and just fit it on there, like, perfect. They were just smaller. Yeah, like, I mean, I, my hands just engulf the grip. Like, I won't give up and go to the massive grip yet, but I'm still messing with trying to hold on it properly. Do you remember, like, what first drew you to the game of golf? So I played, my grandparents had a, like, cabin on, like, one of the oldest nine holes in Oregon,

up in Welch's Oregon, a little tiny place. I was like four or five years old, and they took me in the golf course and like begged a pro to let me go out. And he's like, okay, just don't hold anybody up. And I went out and had a blast and they would always continue to take me out there. And I think I was like nine or ten maybe, something like that. And I shot like one over for like nine holes. It was terrible in the back, but I got all excited.

And I was like, wow, this is like kind of fun. And then I played a little bit in high school. and then I got to college, I started picking the range at Tristing Tree. And then I started playing with some of the college guys there. And I was like, oh, I'm like, I can kind of play with these guys a little bit. Like some of the guys down the lineup are 75, 76, 77. I'm like, I can do this. And so like when I was working there is when I'd pick like half the range and go to the back

and hit eight irons for an hour. I may as well go pick the rest of them. Squeeze back here for a few. And then so that was kind of where I really got like kind of hooked on it. And then once I started playing the NFL, I'd just every weekend in the spring, like go to a different, like my buddy was playing at Detroit. So I'd go up there and play Friday, Saturday, Sunday, come home, 36 a day and just kind of just, I guess, playing over time and just got really hooked. And now I have a problem.

Even when you were wrong, now my wife says get the hell all right now. You got the time for it. Now, even when you were growing up, you were a star basketball player and football player. You're Mr. basketball and Mr. Football in the state of Oregon. At Scapooce. Scaptoe. Yeah, that's right. Scap Town.

Scap Town. Did you love golf more than even those? Even though you were so good at those other ones, did you still like golf more than those? You just happen to be really good at the other two? So my junior year, I think, yeah, my junior year, no, junior sophomore year, whatever it was. So football, basketball, ran track, and then I was like, screw it.

I'm going to play baseball. Or I'm going to play golf this year. And so I go. go out for the freaking golf team. And at first day, it was a two-day qualifier. And I shot like three or four over. I hadn't played golf. And I don't even know how long.

Like I just was like, oh, I'm going to go try out. Like, play pretty well. And my high school, my football coach calls me and was like, you're going to run track. I was like, no, I'm not running track. No, but I'm not. He's like, no, no, you're going to run track. You can get it faster.

It's going to help you with football, blah, this, that, and the other. And I'm like, nah. So, inevitably, I didn't even go to the second day, which I kind of wish I would have. So I wasn't really hooked yet. But so I did that and then I ended up playing football basketball track and then I played baseball for part of a year. How tough you were obviously like he said a superstar in high school at Scapous, basketball and football. And then you made a very, very popular decision in the area to go play quarterback at Oregon State.

Was that a tough decision or is that so? You grew up obviously being a beaver fan. But you had the opportunity to other places. Yeah. So kind of when I first, I didn't really even play quarterback growing up. I played center and middle linebacker in middle school. I wore 66. Not sure I really tackled anybody.

I just grabbed my jersey. I was 6'6 when I was in eighth grade. So I just grab them and throw them in the ground. And coach, like, you got to fit them up. You got to hit them. I'm like, they're little guys. So anyways, I get, go through and before freshman year, my coach calls me. He's like, hey, you're going to play this year?

And I was like, yeah, maybe. Like, well, he's like, practices tomorrow. Like, we start tomorrow. I was like, okay, I'll go. show up and he just flips me the ball and he's like you're playing quarterback and I was like hmm okay like I was a ball boy when I was a middle school and I could throw the ball from like our sideline to the other sideline so like I would just get it and like throw it to the other ball boy and they were like the heck so from that point on like they're kind of just put me in a position like

okay you're going to play a quarterback ran the speed option ran the triple option and then we kind of as a school like started kind of evolving more of like a spread and all that but anyways so my sophomore year, start getting some letters, and my junior year, like the first day or whatever, you could have contacts with coach. Mark Rick, who at the time was the office of coordinator for Florida State. He shows up. I'm going in the gym. It's like 6.30. I'm going into shoot or something. And he's standing right by the door, and there's always the right door. Coach would always go in, unlock it, and then all the others were locked, whatever. And I looked at him. It was like, what the hell in? Anyways, hey, I was going, walk right in, go in, get dressed, go out, start working out. And he comes in the gym.

was just watching me shoot like what the heck is this guy doing like he couldn't talk to me but he could like come to my school whatever so anyways they were the first team to offer me and it kind of blew up from there and it came down to it I just kind of was like my family like supported me like through everything like my grandparents took me to a million games Oregon State was coming off the Fiesta will win smash Notre Dame by the way no big deal sorry this my dad's still pissed about that game but paid that Dennis Eric Tee We got them twice, but on a lesser scale the second time. But, so there's, you know, the energy was good.

We had a few guys, like, kind of committed to go there. And all these other schools were great, sounded great, everything. But I wasn't really like, how do I fly? How do I go to Tallahassee? Like, everything I know is here. And then I go into the week before I committed to Oregon State. I go in, I go do the football camp at Oregon. I'm down there.

Mike Bellotti brings me in before I leave. and he's like, hey, like, if we offer you today, because you're going to offer me or Kellynne Clemens, who ended up going there, played in the NFL for a number of years, would you commit today? And I said, nah, I told Coach Erickson, I would at least come to campus, spend a little bit of time,

make it before I do anything. And so I got up and left the meeting. He came in like 10 minutes after me. They said the same thing, and he was like, yep, I will. So, like, I didn't really have a choice to go to Oregon, but I wouldn't have probably not gone there anyway. It's just not my kind of deal. But, yeah.

Are you leaning anywhere else? No, I had like Oregon State, Washington State, Washington, Florida State, UCLA. Those are kind of my towards the end when it came down to. Had I taken a trip to Arizona State, I don't think I would have ever left. I don't know how they don't get every kid in the United States. I think I actually would have ever played in the NFL. Come to Timpe for a weekend. Tell me if you like what you see.

It's all right. But as part of the appeal, you're a home state kid. You're going to show up at a campus at Oregon State, and you're going to be like, like, God, people are going to be thrilled you're here versus going to like a Notre Dame or a Florida State and they're going to be like, there's this kid from Oregon. Not so much. Like, not really.

Like, it was a little bit awkward for me. Like, I came from such a small town. Like my hometown when I first moved there was like 3,500 people. So, like, I didn't really know kind of how the whole process went. Like, nobody from my high school ever got recruited by a major college. So, like, even my high school coach didn't really know, like, how we sent the tapes. out is ridiculous. Like really he came in. I went, he was the middle school PE teacher and I went over there. He's like, let's do some highlight tapes. I think we should send a few out. And I was like,

really? He was like, oh yeah, I'll put all these things in. He's like, just write down a list of schools that maybe you want to go to. And I was like, just started, I mean, Peter Warwick, he was in the sugar bowl? Yeah. Peter Warwick. I was like a, I don't know, Mike, was that against Virginia Tech? Anyways, I was like enamored with Florida State. So I just started saying all these ridiculous schools and he puts him in an envelope, sends them off, and then next thing you know, like, six weeks later, they'd show up. So, like, it was a little bit uncomfortable for me. Like, I just didn't really know, like, how that whole thing worked

and nobody was there to, like, help me kind of go through it. I just kind of free-willed it. Did you know how good you were being, like, you're from a small town? Like, I know I'm good here. I know I'm the best guy around this play, but I don't know, like, nationwide. Am I that good? Yeah, not really.

Like, to be honest, like, I thought I was a basketball player until my sophomore year. I just need to tell you this story. I've told him, I think. So anyways, I thought I was a hooper. I go down. Yeah, I know this story. I thought I was a hooper.

Like, I was pretty good. You were a hooper. I was okay. I had a little elevation problems. Those didn't come up until I did this, but I went down. I played on a all-star team with a ton of dudes, some of the best players in Oregon,

like Aaron Miles, Michael Lee, Sleam-Stodemeyer, all these guys. We go down to Compton, Compton, Dominguez Community College. big gym like six courts all this chaos they go in there and we roll out ball comes out and like i got him i got him and like d yeah you got him and i'm like all right this could be interesting like dude's like six three kind of lean i'm kind of slow and anyways first time down he catches

on the wing i kind of go out and close him out he goes baseline i'm like i've done this a million times the guy goes by me i'm going to just let him go by and jump up stick it on the glass into story no no he went baseline he got a back like by the back of his ankles and just, oh, boom! And I was like, oh, man. I like went over to the bench and I came out and I'm like, it's not for me, boys. I won play. Like this kid, he wasn't even a great basketball player, but he jumped over the top of me and I was like, nah, can't do it. You know what? I'm a quarterback. Yeah. But then I didn't, I didn't know, like, how good I could be or how good I was at the time. Like, I started kind of progressing and then like all the weird stuff kind of started happening.

and the next you know, I was at the Elite 11, All-Star, it's kind of the top 11 quarterbacks across the country. And I went down there and I was like, I'm all right. Like, I can hang with these guys. And when you got invited to that, was that kind of the point where like, okay, now the NFL might be able to become a reality? I didn't even really think of it. Like, honestly, I wrote down my sophomore year in high school

after I came back from my camp, like Drew Bledso was there, and he helped me a ton during that week. And I came back and then they were like, always talking about, like, write your goals out, write your goals out, blah, blah, blah. And I just, my wife found it a year ago maybe and like all these things that I, like, had written down, like, achieved most of them. But I didn't, at the, I mean, in my heart, I didn't really give myself any other opportunity. I didn't go to class. So, but, like, like the books part, like, I don't believe that, dude.

I kind of just, at one point in college, I was like, this is it. Like, either I'm going to put everything into my eggs in one basket. I have to come back and finish it, great. But I need to focus on this. So I didn't quite like realize, realize until like my sophomore year of college probably when I was like, man, I got a chance. What do you think you would be doing if you didn't play quarterback in the NFL? That's hard. Try riding up paver.

Amazing. No. I mean, I probably would have started coaching. I really enjoy like working with younger kids, not necessarily like high school kids, sometimes high school kids. sometimes high school kids, but like younger kids kind of helping them. Like my son, I really, like, he's into throwing. Like he's four, but like he's into throwing. And I can like little tiny, silly things when they're so young, like they pick it up quick.

Like I wish I had somebody show me out of old golf club. And I was, you know, me like silly things like that. Like I enjoy that. So I probably would end up being coach or P.E. teacher. I don't know. Well, you didn't have to worry about it because you get scooped up in the, by the Ravens in the NFL draft. That's what I wanted to ask though, like going into the draft. Okay.

You throw your name in the hat. Where did you think you would go? Like what round number? So I played terrible my junior year. I was going into my junior year, like I had been told like I could possibly be like a second round pick. And I was like, man, if they tell me I'm in the second round, I've got to go.

See you later. And I threw like 25 picks my junior year. I don't know if that's good or not. Bad receipt. No, I got a conference record at the deal. No, yeah. Records books. Another record.

No big deal. But no, like going into it, they were like, you know, third, fourth round. Like, that's what they had been telling me. And so I was like, okay, so I had to play golf in the morning, had a big party, you know, oh, they're going to go through the first two rounds. Maybe I'll get done in the third round. So like Carolina calls me in the third round. I'm like, my buddy's house, he's got like a basketball court in there and like dinking around.

I'm like, oh, cool. He's like, hey, just want to make sure this is your info, blah, blah, blah, which is kind of, like it's normally like an assistant guy will call you just to check if they're planning on picking you. I'm like, man, they're picking like in five picks. Stefan the floors. Remember him? A little lefty. Yeah, a little pump fake. Yeah. So then I stayed, we had a second day and I sat there and didn't get picked until the sixth, but probably a good thing. I mean, it turned out okay, but it was a little, it was a funky deal. Like even A-Rod sat there until, what do you pick, 20? Yeah, he sat there forever. When you show up in the

draft and then you drop, that's got to be like the weirdest in there with a camera on you. Look at the guy that hasn't got picked yet. If he gets drafted 23, I probably should never got drafted. He's not okay. Yeah. Yeah, but you go, it's the Ravens scoop you, six round. You go there, they end up letting you go and you go to Cleveland. Like, part of you, I've got to think is just excited to be in the league and get a chance.

But is there a party that's like, oh shit, Cleveland, like, that's where quarterbacks go to die at the time. I didn't even know. Like, I literally, I mean, I knew Cleveland was terrible, but, like, I didn't really even know, like, the history, how bad they've been, like, played them on the video games. you always crushed them. Yeah. That's where you bumped the staff. Yeah. But going in, like,

my last two games of the preseason in Baltimore played really well, made it kind of hard for him, so they couldn't cut me. And then Kyle Bowler hyper extends its big toe Monday night first game of the year. So now I'm the backup. Like, I don't really know what's going on,

but like, oh, sure, he's a backup for like three or four weeks. And then they bring in Cordell Stewart, who was like 91. And he cut me in, then he goes in. I was fine. Cordell's a great, dude. But at the time, I was like, what the heck's going on? You punted a couple for this team last year. Like, I had no idea what the heck.

So anyways, it cut me. I go to Cleveland. Like, kind of not really sure what to happen. I had already, like, agreed to buy this townhouse. I had dudes living with me. We were just going to kind of, like, split the rent, essentially, but I owned it, but whatever. And so I back out of that, lose some cash on that one. Loat my agent calls.

He's like, load up your car. He's like, you're gone. So I packed everything. My mom flew out, drove my car to Clever. when I get there, I'm like, whoa, this is a little different spot. But, you know, I worked out. I learned a lot from Trent, like the first couple years there, or first, like, really a year and a half,

and then just kind of jumped in the fire. Yeah, you mentioned Trent Dofer. I was going to ask, like, throughout your career, you played for several teams, obviously got to learn from a lot of great quarterbacks. Who do you think you learned the most from? Probably Trent. Yeah, he's amazing. Like, he was so good.

even when he wasn't there, like we traded him to San Francisco for Ken Dorsey, like, middle, that's before the spring or whatever. But he constantly stayed in contact. Like, I'd call him and be like, hey, dude, like, can you watch this or like what I do bad last week? And, you know, and he always had something good for me. But just sitting, like, in the film room, like, that took a lot too, just like understanding how to watch film, how to, you know, break down defenses, know, where their weaknesses is.

You know, and Trent was, I mean, shoot, he won a Super Bowl. A lot of people get me, you know, kind of bag on him. Like, oh, he does talk. Like, Trent's a very smart, dude. So, yeah, Trent's probably the biggest, you know, the guy I probably learned the most from. Not player-wise, but coach-wise, like Rob Chisinski, Mike Shula, were fantastic guys. Like, I learned a ton from those guys. Because at that point, after Rob, like Shula, I was a little bit older, and he'd been around at a ton.

So I just kind of started just gathering. And for the listeners at home, like, I'm actually. you're an elite 11 quarterback coming out of college. I mean, you're a stud. What was the biggest difference between college and NFL that people at home wouldn't realize, besides the paychecks, obviously? Paychecks were decent.

I would love one of those about now. Christmas is coming. Yeah, run it back, maybe. 10-day contract? One day. I was like trying to get Denver to sign me like 50 grand for one game. I was like.

Just come in. Yeah, come in. Hold the board. Kidding, I'd probably get killed again. We'll get to that. No, I think the biggest thing is like you have to understand like where you're going to go with the football based on the defense pre-snap. Now, you might, they might roll, they might move, and then you got to get into your second reading and move on. But like, you kind of have to have a good idea of what they're in because the windows are so small, right?

The speed of it, the windows. And then I was actually talking to something about this the other day. It's just trusting, like, you're throwing. throwing your football. Yes, you're playing with grown men and you're 21 years old. You're out there and these dudes have been doing it forever. But it's just trusting that you have the same skills. Like I think longer that you kind of get into your career, the more kind of battle scars you have, that you start to overanalyze things, a little bit like golf probably. But yeah, like you get in there when I was young. Like I did go in there when you screw it, throw it over here.

You guys you catch it. Throw it over here. Sometimes it gets bounced up in the air and picked. And like, why did you know? So like, I think that was kind of the biggest thing is just having faith in what you were doing. That's how I kind of adjusted quickly. There's a lot of guys that, and the hardest thing was like, there's a dude on his back, right? And we go to the film room and the coach, he's like, he's open. Like, throw it to him.

Like, he's not open. He's like, that guy's open. Like, you better figure out that in this league, that guy's open. And I'm like, all right. So I'm going to start firing in there. You better catch it. Let me ask you this. I've had this conversation with a couple guys who play the NFL at quarterback.

And their stance is that if you took a top tier NFL quarterback right now, and I would just like a Russell Wilson, Aaron Rogers, that might even be too good, but maybe in a top 10 type of an NFL quarterback, put them on any Power 5 conference team in the NCAA and they would take them to the college football playoffs. I agree with that? Easy. Yeah. Like that's how big of a difference it is, basically, yeah? Yeah. He would pick them apart.

Yeah, he said they score every single. He's like, I can't vouch for the defense or whatever, but you got to give them some guys that can catch the football if it's put on them. But basically, they would score every single time because pre-snap, he will know everything that's about to happen and he'll just audible into the right play. be game over. Yeah, like you could, yeah, you can manipulate it. Like the knowledge that you've gained, like I told people like my, after my third or fourth year, probably like third year, and I was like, if I could go back and play college again, like it would be dumb. Like, yeah, I understand the defense way more. Like I actually could change the protection. I could get us in the right run. So like, you know, bringing guys over here, like, let's just run at this guy that's dropping. Like,

you have a defensive end that has the drop into pass coverage. Like, just run a hand and just walk away. You know, like, silly things like that, but you definitely, like, you know, like, silly things like that. Like, you would crush it. Like, there's a million without calling guys out. There's a guy that got drafted in a couple years ago that I watched him on TV. And I'm like, his guys are wide open, like, wide open in college. And I'm like, he's going to struggle when he gets to the NFL because he's not going to be used to throwing in the tight windows. Like, you just kind of hesitate.

And he's struggled a little bit. I mean, I think he's got a chance to be pretty good. Is that a guy that played for maybe a rival college you went to? No. Okay. No. No saying a name? No.

But early on in your career, I mean, obviously you're young, getting out there, getting on the field. You break the huddle. Was there ever a point where you looked across with the defense, you're like, holy shit, that's so-and-so, please don't kill me? Ray Lewis. That would do it. That's fair. That would do it. Having from playing with him, like, my rookie year and being on that team, he was a bit scary.

And there's a few other guys. But, like, you just look over and like, that is a grown human. Like, they don't make many people like that. Like Julius Peppers played him one year. We're playing him in Chicago. We're going to run a reverse. I got to toss it and then I got to go over here and the running backs, then going to flip it to this guy and I peel around.

And Pep's coming dead at me. Like, 6-7 or whatever he is, 6-6-305 and he's just chiseled. He's coming down. I'm not supposed to cut him. I'm supposed to cut him. Perfect. Yeah, I'll do that. Yeah.

Let me get right on that. I go diving in there and like half. roll into him and he just pushes me in the ground, chases him, tackles him for a loss. But, like, guys like that, like, the dudes that are, like,

drafted and, you know, top five, like, Chase Yump, like, they're just freaks in nature. I like what Mike Tomlin said about, oh, dude, I said that dude is hilarious.

I never want to lose enough games after draft a game. I got to lose 15 games the year to get a player like, yeah. But, like, there's those special guys like that. Like, you just, you literally are looking at them like, okay, like,

I got a good tackle. Like, Joe Thomas, really good tackle. He's got him. How about this guy over here? like going into it. I mean, there's just,

there's freaks. Like, Aaron Donald. Like, that is terrifying. Every single time, but he's not big. That's the freaky thing.

He looks big as shit. You wash it on tape and you're like, that's going to be a problem. Like, are the three of you in here going to be able to manhandle this guy or maybe just hold him? I'm not really, because he tosses guys.

Like, it's silly. And when they did that hard knocks, they showed him like going through the ladder drill and over, I'm just like, that dude weighs 300 pounds and he moves like a running back. He just, His hand speed, like it's silly.

What was Ray Lewis like as a teammate? Because you got to peel back the curtain a little bit on him. Dude, it was one of the, obviously, the most veteran team that I've ever been on. We had Ray Lewis, Dion Sanders, Ed Reed, Chris McAllister. I mean, all these dudes. Anyways, Ray was fantastic. You know, always was good to me. And, like, I'd ask him questions because I had to run the scout team.

So I'd ask him questions he was good. Dion was the same way. Like, those dudes were awesome in practice. And then, you know, after the game, everything's fine, but, like, trying to kill you, like, during the thing. But he was friendly. Dion, actually, Dion was fantastic. Like, he came over to me, like, before I played the last preseason game.

He was like, our kid, like, this is your game. I go out there and play well. Like, you have to say that to me. Like, dude's wearing number 37. That's how long, you know, far down the road. And you had one of the coolest owners, too, Bouchotti. Oh, Bishotti's. What a legend.

Incredible. He came and spoke to our Walker Cup team at Caves Valley. Lived Slickback hair, cigar. I was like, this guy's amazing. I love him. He's a billionaire. Such a good dude. Great office.

You know, ashtrays in there. He can smoke cigars in his own office in the building. Okay. I think you've done a couple of things, right? Were you, were you a superstitious guy? Yeah. Yeah.

I was hoping you'd say no, because I have a nice long text from a very close person to you. But let's hear what you have to say. Like as far as like what I did game day-wise? The question was, are you superstitious? So I always, I think I'll start with. So I did the same things on game day every single time. During the week, I did the same things during the week.

I got up at the exact same time. I tried to get the billing exact same time. Got my coffee at the exact same time. What was your Starbucks order? Trenta, cold brew. Off though. I quit the Starbucks. Yeah?

Quit it. Well, they're a sponsor of ours. They're going to be pissed. Well, maybe you can get back on. Should be. You're listening. So I would go like, you could cut Starbucks out. Stupid things like this.

Like we would play in San Francisco, right? Stay in Palo Alto. It's not a Starbucks close, right? So I'm taking a $40 cab ride to get a $6 drink. That's how like, that's how like ingrained I was in it. But so I did that game day always, right? The game day was always the same. Get up in the morning at like 6.15.

Go down. Get a cab. Go get Starbucks. come back in, eat breakfast, sit around, go upstairs, put my stuff on, get on the first bus, go over and sit around, dink off for a while. Then I always put my uniform on left leg first. Now we're going. Now we're getting into some weird stuff.

Like pant, left leg, pant. Or actually, I'd go socks first. Because if you don't put, if you put your pants on first, then your socks are over the top. You can't get them underneath. Yeah, so you got those socks on, pants on. don't forget to put your pads in before you put your pants on. So left or right all way around, boom, shoulder pads on. Same notch on my pads every single time.

Three clicks in both sides. Chinstrap, same way. Always had it a certain way until I was ready. Turn the lights off four times. No, I didn't have any like lick the doorknob deals. I was really hoping you would say no because I talked to your wife Mallory this morning and she gave me a whole list of all your superstitions and I just wanted to be able to call you out. but now that you're admitting to him, it's not as fun.

Any that he left out? He said, well, for starters in Carolina, he would grow out his beard when the team was winning. So the year they went to the Super Bowl, he looked totally homeless. That's factual. I actually watched an interview with Barstool you did where you sat on the bus. Incredible interview. First off, incredible interview when they kept saying you're one heartbeat away. I love that.

One heartbeat, bro. I love that. She did say if the team won, we did exactly the same thing as the previous week, like ate at the same restaurants, even order of the same food. There was a burger place in Charlotte who went to almost every single Friday night for dinner because it was good luck but you can't can't not go yeah dude i was i'll tell you what about my first ever time leading on the pGA tour i went to um carabas and hilton head with mallinger and charley hoffman top notch bud get ordered same dinner next night same dinner same night same night

third night still leading saturday night they go we're tired of this place we're not going with you i'm like guys i'm leading no dude come on suck it up one time you got to do it they wouldn't do it for me that's when you bail on your friends as they see i got to go back the same thing you can't mess up the juju. No, we did this little burger joint and we were on fire. Like we won 15 straight games. Like, I know, 14 straight games. I'm like, beard's coming up. She's like, we got family pictures coming up. I don't care. Like, I'm going to like let it. I'll trim around my lips, but I mean, it was nasty. Did this exact same things and it worked out. We got to the Super Bowl. We just didn't finish the deal. Yeah. She told me before games, when you were leaving after stretching, you'd have

to find them to wave. Oh, yeah. That was before the kickoff. And when she was late, Yep. Nine out of ten times we lost. She said that didn't go well when she was late. And she said you also had to be the driver at all the home games. I did. You drive Olson, Luke and Ryan. Kalilio, you always had to be the driver.

So it was Luke, Ryan, Greg, Mike Remmers. And then we occasionally had a JJ Jansen, the long snapper in there. Legendary drives to the stadium, by the way. Okay, I'll add to that actually. Legendary drives. Taylor Swift. Oh, my God. What else would you list to?

No, no, no, this was like every single time when you would get to a certain place in our drive and I'd look at Greg and I'm like, it's time. Play. So we were like set up perfectly, right? What song? It had to be the same song every time?

I can't remember what. Yeah, you remember what Taylor Swift's song. I do. I do know, but I don't know the name of the song. I'm not very good. Don't be afraid to be vulnerable, dude. No, no, no. Honestly, I can't even sing the words unless I start hearing the song.

Like what? Already in the USA? No. Oh, that's Miley Cyrus anyway. One of the ones where she's talking about... Some dude that broke up with me. New York? That's the whole catalog.

Is New York one of those ones? No, no. Oh, no, that's a... I don't know. I wish that name. That's the other one. We had to listen to that one for Greg. So anyways, we had the whole thing, like, mapped out.

Season's rolling, right? We're playing the Cardinals in the NFC championship game, and they got the whole studio set up in front of the stadium, right? and I go a certain way every week, boom, take it right here, go in front of the stadium, come in, there's the same security guard, we did the same things. I go down there and there's like seven cop cars or seven cops standing in the road, roadblocks, like big ones, like big white roadblocks. And I always, there's always a roadblock there, but not a big one.

I kind of just nudge my way up on the curb and just kind of go past it. Cops everywhere. And I'm like, Ryan, got to get out, bud. He's like, no, no. Like, just do it. Just go ask the guy, tell him we've been doing it. doing this the whole year. Like, we can't screw this up now.

He's like, okay, so he goes on. The guy was kind of like, I'm like, we got it, dude. Up on the curb all way around. We drive through the middle of like the whole party that they're setting up, like the stage, the guy's going to sing. How to do it? We won.

It was a beating. At what point in Carolina did you throw in the pregame chew to get ready? That had to be part of the routine, guaranteed. Very much so. Half can before we kicked. Half can before? Yeah. Just to get right.

Yeah, just a half can. So, chew when you go out from warmups. Of course, standard issue. On the way in, out, exit stage left, toss it, go inside, run in, toss the towel to the, or take the helmet off, toss it to the equipment guy. He'd make sure the radio's working, run straight to the can, take a leak, dry everything off, go back to the locker, have the other equipment guy come over and put the eye black on. This is a process. This is the same thing every single week. So I'd come out of the bathroom and be like, Jackie, he'd come around and over, put your eye black on.

He'd have it jacked up sometimes, but it was, he put, you guys don't put your own eye black on? No, no, no, no, it was he, he took pride in making sure that he did it, like if he had it, because then you have, like, 400 eyblacks laying around, right? So he always just kept him in his pocket. So you could have, like, hey, dude, give it to me. So instead of me putting it on, I just like, hey, dude, put it on. So then he put it on, I walked straight to the thing, look in the mirror, like, and I would just go like this on the sides, because you always have the sides. messed up, fix the sides. And then go out.

Chew to start the game. Yeah. Sorry if anybody's against that, but that's just how it happened. Chew to start the game. You score on the first drive, it's in. Stay. It's like a birdie chew. Yeah.

stays in. Three and out or worse after the third drive, toss it. Really? God, this is incredible. Makes sense. How many times did Cam go down in his career for like a play, which hardly ever happened? Where you had one in and it was, you didn't get it out?

out before you ran in ever twice yeah that's the problem twice uh one i forgot like i literally forgot like it happened so fast like helmet threw me the helmet boom toss i don't know why you can just because you're supposed to fall down so that they can get an injury time out you get a chance to maybe take a snap now he limped off the field so it's like a regular substitution play clock's running play clock's running throw me the helmet still got to chew in boom throw it and i'm like oh probably and you get this out. Don't worry if you fall on that. Yeah.

And then, so I always had my left knee pocket here. I used to see it. Sometimes when you do the little run by and that, I think, yeah, it was in there. So we got any end of that.

But everything kind of stayed the same throughout the course. That's pretty extensive. Yeah, so you are superstitious. So if you play a good golf round like nowadays, do you try to repeat the same thing the next day? Oh, duh. God, that's amazing.

He's no dummy, like if you, like the warm up, not like on the golf course. the warm up like if like one day because I sometimes go pitching wedge eight iron five iron five iron five iron three wood driver like I just and then I go over and hit clip a few if it's bad one day I'm like a pitching wedge wasn't great this goes with the nine start with the nine so start with the nine if it happens to work that day then you start with the next day then you just kind of go through it's just common sense you never did that did you hit the same club

you had that the same warm up I had oh yeah yeah I'm not was a short warm up but like it was like days I would go, I tried to mix it up, I'd go 975 to warm up or wedge 86. Yeah. Yeah. So just, I mean, depending on the day. But I'm with you, like if something worked, which didn't happen very often in my career, I would stick with it. Have to.

Yeah, I'm fine with it. Like, even, I mean, you notice weird things like what you do, like if you walk into the clubhouse a certain way or where you park or so like that. If that same parking spot was available, day before, hell yeah, I'm parking a little thing. All that stuff matters. I park in the same, the end of our stadium trip. Same parking spot every time. Every single time.

I go there and there, there, I'm like, go get your, move. Like, move. Get out of my spot. Like, we won a million games. I'm parking right here. You can't park there. I was big. This is actually a funny one.

I was big if I got my courtesy car or whatever. And you know, like the air conditioning or heater, it's digital now. And it'll say like 74. I'm like, uh-uh. You know, I said to put it on a good number. Yeah. I'd rather wear my sweater. I don't want to see the 74 up there.

I had a pair of green underwear that I wore. 65 in freezing. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You're going to see a 65. Don't care. It's worth it.

I had a pair of green drawers that I kept for about six years. I wore on the final round of like every single term until I played bad in a final round. And then they went out of the rotation for a week. Then I brought them back. Teach them a lesson. Always socks. Socks are big. Same socks.

Can't wear somebody else's socks. So like. Do you guys share socks? This is weird. So like in a locker room like you have like a little bag right with all your clothes. Like sometimes the zipper would come undone. And then your socks are free floating in the water. So then I go up there and like hey and get a pair of socks or whatever but I come over and like throw me a pair of socks that are already like folded right? Yeah

Like we can't do that I can't wear jocks Compression shorts or socks like you don't can't wear it you don't mean worst case you know you wear so many socks but I couldn't do it like I literally wristbands were the same way I couldn't wear use wristbands. Yeah that's where I draw the line just sweating in them. It's a bit awkward Well we're talking a little bit about Carolina we got a retreat just a little bit because it wouldn't be a DA interview and I know, you know, you're my guy and I love you. I'm sure you've talked about this a million times, but we got to get into the interview of all interviews or the post game press conferences. All press conferences.

No, I'm in doing it. We got to have it. I'm past it. You're into it. You come in there, you get the rant afterwards, and then this thing blows up at any point after that where you're like, I can't believe how much pub this is gone. Because I watched Magic Johnson talk about it on Jimmy Kimmel the next night. That was a bummer.

That was a bummer. That was a bummer. I mean, I got crushed. But to be honest with you, like, it kind of had been boiling for a while. Didn't really see I-D-I. Dude was just kind of hammered me. I was saying, did you know the reporter? Yeah, I mean, obviously.

I dealt with him every day. And since then, we've chatted and I explained to him like why I got so upset. But like, let me explain how, what exactly happened. Yeah. Okay. So we're getting crushed on Monday Night Football. No big deal. The whole world's watching.

Yeah, it wasn't. Yeah. Only 10 million people watching. tossing around, skipping it in the dirt. We're sitting on the bench in Deuce, Latui. And there's some dude who, by the way, every single home game, he sat right behind her bench. And he would just hammer me.

Like, everything you can think of, hammering me. We were sitting there, and I almost punched him a couple of weeks before that. But I'm sitting there and like, Deuce looks over at me. He's like, damn, D.A? And I was like, just kind of like shook my head and smiled. Then he was like, we got your back, dude. And then I literally, I just looked at him. I just kind of got a little green or whatever.

And that was it. Like, there was no, like, big thing. Like, it was nothing crazy. Anyways, like, apparently it was during commercial of the Monday night game. And then they lead with it, crush me. And then I had no idea. So I went into the press conference after the game. Super pissed already.

Just kind of trying to get it out, not really talk, but just talk about the game. it was terrible, I need to be better, let's just end this. And he just keeps, well, what are you talking about? What did it do? Da-da-da-da. And then I lost it on him. And then I went in, going to locker and I'm all pissed, kick my bag.

Get my foot stuck in the bag as I'm walking out the door. Like, just come on, dude. But anyways, it really wasn't that big a deal. But then I went to, I went home. I got in a car, actually. My wife's sitting in the car. And I walk in and I sit down in the car. I'm like, we got a problem.

Things are about to get bad. We're about to get more famous than we are. She was like, what do you mean? I'm like, I may or may have not lost my shit just a second ago. And she's like, what? And like, at this time, we were just dating. And she didn't really know kind of how the whole thing works. And she's like, oh, my goodness, what are you going to do?

I mean, you need to say you're sorry tonight. And I'm like, nah, I don't. And I go home, go up to golf course the next day. I'm like, I got to get out of here. So I go up there to hit some balls and dink off. And that's like on every, I mean, there's, what, 94 TVs up there? Yeah. 16 or whatever.

And on every single TV. And I'm just like, oh, my. That's me. That's fine. That's fine. Did you get fine? No. No.

You didn't do anything that bad. No, no. I just felt like that because you've got a press conference. No, I thought I was going to get fine for the foul language. Like, that's generally frowned upon in league interviews or interviews because of likely it was on TV, I'm sure. whatever it wasn't doesn't really I guess my biggest thing with the whole thing

was like people kind of put me in that space right like that's who I was all the time like people don't really understand like I just like they have fun like but I have a little bit of fire and if you kind of piss me off I might do that I guess the same thing like six times in a row you clearly didn't want to answer just like dude move on

you know what I mean that's got to be the most frustrating thing as a quarterback have a bad game lose on national television come in and have to answer all the questions about it like dude we tried hard I don't know what we one we say. Had I known that that occurred going into it, I would have had a way different approach. Like I would have just went in there and like, yeah, man, like this happened. It's not what you think it is. Like I could have probably controlled it. So then from that point forward, I'm the league, actually, this is pretty funny. The league put a video out of like how and how not to conduct

in the interview. Like how. Every single team has to watch this thing. You sit in, I think it's like during training camp, you go in there and sit down and, oh, man, it's Troy Vincent or whoever's talking. Like, this is how we do things. This is how we, this is how we don't do things. And then like showing clips and the guy that's putting it on, he comes up to me before he even puts it on. He's like, hey, dude, I just want to warn you. Like, you're going to get crushed during this video. Like, I hope you don't mind. You can leave if you want. I'm like, dude, I don't care. Like, it's a long time. But I guess the positive thing is that people learn from it. Yeah. Like, I don't know, but it'll go on forever. No such thing is bad pop, dude.

No. You get on Jimmy Campbell, have Magic Johnson talking about you? That's an account. Not many people can say that. Dwight Howard crushed me, tweeted at me, crushes me. What do you say? I have some stupid.

I mean, he can't. Something stupid. Anyway, he ends up living in my building in Charlotte with me. And it was super nice guy, but I'm pretty sure he had no idea that, that correlation. He didn't remember it.

No chance. Should we get to a little E9? Oh, that's so good. Yeah. We could talk to you all day. I think we could go 12 hours with him. You know, you're a fan of the program. We know that.

So you know what's coming next. The E9, Emergency 9. Been a little nervous about this. You shouldn't be nervous. At least not by my presence. Yeah. But I'm going to let Slees start it off. Hey, I'll start it off.

This is a recurring question here. Movie being made about the life of Derek Anderson. Who do you want to play you in the movie? I've thought about this. I don't really know. I thought of one. I was thinking McConaughey. That's humble.

That's humble. I mean, no big deal. I'm joking, obviously. I don't know. It's not really... It's a movie. Dustin Johnson, we get a little look-alike. I mean, I don't know.

That's actually a pretty good answer. Fair, if he... I don't know what his acting chops are like, but that's actually... I mean, not terrible. He looked incredible. He did. He put on a show. I don't know.

What do you think? You got one, random? I had a couple. You got a hard. There's not a lot of six-six actors with rocket arms to draw from here. So, all right, Cole, you go. I got... Tim Robbins.

Oh, wow. No, he's tall. Okay. Does he act? Tim Robbins? Tim Robbins? You're thinking of Tony Robbins. I'm thinking of Tony Robbins.

I was like, he's motivational theater, dude. No, not Tony Robbins. Do you hear him talk about his golf game? He's definitely not Tony Robbins. Google Tim Robbins. All right, Tim Robbins. I had you. He's 6-5.

I had to go tall to funny man, Vince Vaughn. Man. That's all right. I could do that. Got a little football experience with Rudy. I could do that. Minus the mess. Yeah, Hollywood can work about all that.

Those are positive. Okay. Make me feel better. McConahanie better. McConnor Pitt. Abbs, you know. You know, great boys. Not wear a shirt ever.

Incredible. Number two. Like I mentioned earlier, you attended Scapus High School, okay, in Oregon. Who's the most famous alumni? You or Sarah Jean Underwood? Obviously, Sarah. Think so? Oh, there's so many dudes out there that could...

Could vouch for that? Yes. Like, they're creeps. Like, there's so many creepers out there. But I'll say this. If you look up your Wikipedia, it says, that you went to school with her. And if you look up hers,

it says she went to school with you. Just because she's younger. I'm just saying. It says she went to school. Well, for our listeners, she may not be familiar. Who is this woman? Playmate, you know,

no big, Playmate of the year, no big deal, guys. On that show, she was on that show. Remember the Hefner show that they had for a little while? Oh, like the reality.

So she was playmate of the year in 2007. I was in the Pro Bowl of 2007. By the way, 2007 was a great year for all three of us. It was crushed? You crushed? What happened?

Well, you were pro. ball. I might have won a couple of things. She was playing out of the year. God. Crushed. What a year. So she's, yeah, she's probably a little more popular amongst a gentleman. I was not a gentleman? From the high school. Oh. If you walk into the high school, is there a shrine of her or shrine of you? Neither. That's disappointing. I don't believe that. I promise. It's just normal. I got a Super Bowl participation trophy in there. That's not nothing. Golden football. Well, it's a little. That's not nothing. We didn't get into the Super Bowl. All right, I'll give you a little. Let's not talk about it.

here's the next one. Fourth and goal from the one for all the marbles. Your life is on the line. You have to complete a pass to someone you played with during your career who you throwing it to. Larry. It's Gerald. Yeah, picked up on that.

I thought for sure it would be Greg. Olson. He's going to have two guys on him. Okay. Would Fitz be uncovered over there? Well, they're on the same team. They're on the same team. I was doing probably a little bit of a,

weird but best hands Larry's probably the best the dude that catches the wall better than anybody I've ever had best teammate ever great teammate great dude um Greg's there though too that was actually probably maybe a better one just the familiarity with Greg

I think we might have tossed it around a few times I don't know yeah you and Greg we had a great not to go way too far back we had an incredible pregame routine as far as the superstition goes as well but that's like another 25 minutes of BS but we don't be afraid dude I got nowhere to be

Greg's my boy. Like we literally did the exact same thing. They're kind of beating a dead horse, but we did the exact same thing. Like you would catch the ball left, catch ball, right, like every game forever.

So the two of y'all. Yeah, that's probably, that's what I said. You had like 72 things that had to happen before a game. Oh, more than that. More than that.

Why do you get to the stadium so early? Well, I used to have to, I used to have to get there and have a monster to start until one time I got in the first quarter I go in there. I'm like, I'm shaking.

How are you shaking? Like an alcoholic golfer. I wonder why Slee's couldn't get her out. That's why I put like shit now. I slam a couple of balls before I get there. I'm like, I can't make nothing. First, Gene. That's how you train the nerves, though.

You can put with a couple of bulls in there you can do anything. I quit the monster, just a little. All right. Number four, your guy Cam Newton has a very interesting fashion style to say the least. First off, give me your thoughts on Cam Newton. Fashion. Well, all right. You want to offer that.

You want to fashion or the human. I think. Fashion. Okay. Fashion, I think it's ridiculous. some cool outfits hats some of the hat game was fantastic high super high ankle pants super tight with the little off but it's him all right it's like not bad would you rather go a week and have to dress like cam newton or a week head to toe organ duck gear dressed like cam you couldn't pull it off

well yeah I'm a little chubbier I probably can't get in the 34 34s uh yeah it would be You're talking about all day and wear it? You got to go, yes, all day out in public. Yeah, there's no chance I'm wearing an Oregon hat, shirt, pants, shoes. I won't even bet that. That's not even a bet. Like, I'd rather give somebody money than wear. Some of the shit he's worn, Lace.

This one he brought out last week or two weeks ago where he looked like he was like a Yol-Ler from Sweden. That was a tough look. I'm just waiting for him to wear like the orange, was it the mask? The gym kit, like you were wearing the ridiculous. That was yellow? Was it yellow? Yeah.

The mask? Yeah, yeah, yeah, wear like something like that, like all. That would be normal. It ain't off the table, dude. That'd be like one of the more understated ensembles he's put together. All right, I got another. I'm going to have, we might follow up on that here in a minute. All right.

Just follow up on it. You should go to it right now. You want me to go to it right now. All right. I'll ask you this because it's also related that. You got Cam Newton. I want to ask you, which is a more accurate depiction of him, fashion icon or kid who's allowed to address himself for the first time?

Somewhere in the middle. I would say. That's not an option. No, I know. It's kind of an overlap. I was going to go with... Feel bad about that. Because I do think some of this.

I'll go icon. You go icon? I do. He changed the way that, like, not... The NBA guys were super weird already, right? Russell Westbrook does... Some of those guys were a little bit weird. But, like, once he started doing the weirdness, like, through the NBA, like, those

guys started wearing way more weird stuff. More guys in the NFL started, like, AB. Yeah, he wears some weird stuff. Now he wears, like, weird, super weird stuff. But now it's like the thing he has to do. Or else people are like, you're like, you're like, He couldn't wear just a sport pill's next game. I mean, where are you?

Where are you doing? Well, the problem is I would never do it because, I mean, that's like $12 grand a game. Yeah, you need. He ain't buying it off the rack. Those suits aren't free. He gets them from some guy in L.A. That, like, hand makes him. So those hats aren't free.

So. But it is a show before the game, doc. They have the cameras coming in when they come. I was legitimately want to see it. I'm like, wonder what crazy shit he's going to be wearing a night. I saw Russ in Vegas a couple weeks ago. He walked into Arria. And he just looked normal.

I mean, he had like a stocking cap on. For sure. But he just looked normal. There actually was a dude in a camera following him. He had like an entourage of 14 and some guy with a camera and he came up and said hi to Bobby Sir. We were sitting there and it was weird. Why are you filming this?

Why are you following? I feel like Cam is like an eight-year-old kid who wandered into a Halloween store and just picked out eight different costumes and put them all on it. It just walked out. Like if you let your eight-year-old in there and said, pick whatever you want. That's how it comes out. All right. Number six.

You go about Cam. We can talk about Cam all day. I was going to say that. You talk to me more? I do occasionally. Just check in and see how he's doing. I those kids are doing. Nothing really football related.

But the one thing I wish he had done for me was maybe wore a tie. Remember that? We had a game on Seattle. Yeah, you got the dress code, right? I wish he had worn the tie on the plane. That would have been great. Because you had to start. Because I think I ended up being even on my touchdown to interception ratio.

Had I not started the game with an interception. reception. Yeah, that's a good. First play went right to the day and popped up to the house. I've got a great story about that game that I can't tell. I'm sure it wasn't on you, by the way. Well, anyways, he put the tie on. I wouldn't have to do it.

Yeah, he got benched for the first series. I remember that. Talk about that off camera. All right. Number six, have you ever mistaken someone else for your wife? Yeah. Please elaborate. I heard it's happened a few.

I heard it's happened a few times. One word answers, dude. Man. That one got me. Yeah, I have. So I have a sister-in-law that looks very much like my wife. All aspects. We tend to hang out together quite a bit.

She lived with us for a little while. Black jeans, black shirt, black yoga pants, black shirt. Like, tough deal, right? Yeah. Have a few cocktails, amongst other things, and walk through the kitchen one day and just reared back and just gave her a big old, boom, squeeze her on the cheeks. Like, wasn't it a slap. It was a full...

It was a full... Yeah, it was a full squeeze. And I think I may have still had fabric in my hands when she turned her head like this. And I was like, that's a problem. I heard it also happened after a game in Charlotte, Carolina. Yeah, it may have happened there too. Yeah. Not good, but I think we've maybe got that under control.

Now I just keep my hands to myself. Valerie's an understanding woman. Then she was looking at me. I was like, oh boy, I have problems. That's why you? I love it. All right, next one. Two of your boys.

Kevin Chappell and Greg Olson are in a burning building. You only have time to run in and save one of them. Who are you coming out with? Can't let people die like that. You're going to get them both? Yeah. It's not allowed. You can only get one.

Got to pick. This is no way you gave this question to anybody else. We actually done it. It's like a few times. We're going to retire it, I think. It's just too hard, but. I think we should retire it after tonight. So what I would do is I'd go in with a wheelbarrow.

I would throw a chap on my back and put Greg in the wheelbarrow. I'd get them both. Yeah, chap, he's small. You can't carry Greg and another human. He's a buck 85. Greg's $2.50. You could sacrifice yourself too. get them both out and leave yourself in there.

Nah. Nah. I wouldn't know. They ain't that informed, bro. You can make new friends. Those are tough questions. That's a, that one was,

that's a hard. We might have to, yeah, we'll consider it. All right, number eight. All right, I found this article

from 2013 from Athlon Sports. You ever heard of this fine publication? Maybe a high school sporting deal. No, it's not. It's a lot.

It's pretty big, okay? They're a thing. Okay, secondly, the article listed the 10-grade Oregon State Beaver football players since 1967. Where do you think you fell on the list?

Top 10. On Athawan, never heard of it. I mean, I think I may have seen it. I can already tell you're bitter about them. Oh, I've got to be at least 12 or 13. Well, you didn't make the top 10, you're correct. But your good friend Bill Swancutt was number 10. Swan, your boy.

That's okay. All right. After I kept scrolling up and I was like, where the hell's DA? Not a lot of respect out of it. But I did, like I said, I threw 25 picks my junior year, and then they were just done. But we did win a lot of games. We didn't have losing season.

You also set a bunch of offensive records, and second, third, and a bunch of other categories. Wasn't good enough for him. What's Swanee did? Swanee did. Swanee just Pac-12 player the year, no big deal. Our Pac-10 player of the year were sold. He was dominant.

I clicked on the article, and the first thing came up was a pitch of him, and I'm like, oh, my God, there's Swanee. Killed it. He was a big boy. Terry Baker is Terry Baker, number one on there. Now it's Stephen Jackson. Yeah. Terry Baker won the Heisman.

I don't remember where Terry Baker was. He was on the list, but I don't remember where he was. He was in some war, I think. Some war, I think. Which war was it? He won the Heisman and he played a hoop. Civil War, and then it came in one of the Heisman. No, he won the Heisman in 62, maybe.

I think he was 62. And then he played basketball at Oregon State. Like, kind of impressive. Yeah, not a bad gig. You probably could have. Steve was pretty good, though. Yeah, I was going to say, where did he fall or else this list? We were roommates for a freshman year.

He walked in the dorm room and I was like, boy, howdy? Like, that dude plays running back? Like, you get the hand off to that. Screw, still screwed it up. Six, three, two, 40, shredded. I don't know if, one of those guys that they just make once. Yeah. One of one.

One of one. There's no chance. Do you ever see another one? He made it work for a little while, though. Oh. Yeah. It was a thousand yard. You just a hand it to him.

You get $1,000. Throw it to him. You get $1,500. Do you get $1,500? I'm easy a year. Yeah. Yeah, he was not a small human. All right, last one.

I know you're a bit of a conspiracy theory guy, not afraid to dabble. Bigfoot, real or no? I would love to see a Bigfoot. Do you believe in Bigfoot? I'm not so sure Bigfoot it really exists. So funny this comes up. I played with Casey Martin. There we go.

I played with Casey Martin a ton and not a ton, probably 10, 12 times in college. It felt like we played a lot. but he was the one that kind of like was like dude no it's real dude like he was like selling me on he like went bigfoot hunting like with these people and like you put meat on trees and all this stuff and so like i kind of was like in something wFO or something this p these dudes that i think they do the bigfoot show some of those there's like there's like 12 shows about hunting so like i was just like super interested in it like i'm not really don't have any facts there's nothing factual we've never found a big foot, have we?

A piece of it? I don't know. There's not that same. So, like, we have none. I just was, I think there's something. You and Casey Martin are big, big, big foot guy. Who do you think? The number 10 player in the history of Oregon State, dude, the great Bilswonga.

I'llahill is my partner, man. Yeah, the Bigfoot, I don't know. He might not exist, but it's worth hoping for it at some point, maybe. You and McCord should go looking for him. McCord's big in on him, too. Oh, I'd be all in and somebody wanted to go. He's on four-wheelers getting up in the tree. McCord thinks he's in veil.

Yeah, I think he's in. I was like, dude, if he's in Vax, he's a fancy Bigfoot. Yeah, he's a rich bastards. Northern California, if you're trying to find him. Yeah, you're up in Bigfoot territory too. I've heard some weird stories,

but you never know, right? Yeah. I mean, maybe he's the most elusive thing on the planet. Well, yeah, dude. Maybe he hides in top of trees. Maybe he's got a hole in the ground. We don't know. Okay.

I would rather conspiracy theories of things that have, like, a little bit of facts or mostly facts that people just don't want to believe, but that's okay. Yeah. All right. Think outside the box. Just a little bit.

Bonus question. Dan Devis. Who's in this year's Super Bowl? Chiefs Packers. Chiefs Packers. And win? Chiefs. Chiefs.

There it is. That's your life on it. Derek Anderson says. That's from the man himself. Take it to the bank. I'm betting everything on Chiefs if I lose. It's been a blast, dude. Thank you so much.

Appreciate it. Love you, dog. Thanks, man. You got it. That was Derek Anderson join us. Obviously, we hang out with him a ton. He's such a blast to be around. By the way, I had no idea.

how superstitious this guy was. When I talked to his wife earlier in the day, she just sends me this book of a text message and all these, all his superstitions. And I was secretly hoping when I asked him if he was superstitious, he'd say no. And I'd be like, well, hold on a second. Because this lady that knows you pretty well begs to differ. Yeah, he went into a whole, I mean, goddamn. That whole thing, that's time.

That takes a lot of time to do that, the left leg first, then the right leg, then I'll we play tons of golf. I'd never see him do anything weird with, like, in golf or like the super, maybe there are some stuff. I didn't know about the football stuff either. Maybe he's always changing it trying to find the thing to do over and over. But, yeah, I had no idea about it. But there's so many guys, pro athletes across the board, no matter what sport,

they have so many weird things. Like, I have to do it exactly this way or else it messes up your mental. I mean, he even went down to the chin strap. I buckled that. The guy put an eye on the eye. Black, yeah. Good God. That's just, that's nuts.

And I mean, I have some little ones here and there, but, I mean, the length he went through, it was unbelievable. Yeah, I have, like, a certain number of ball that I prefer over the other ball. I used to trade out my twos and threes for fours and ones, because I like to play those more than that. Like that's normal type stuff. Or I always mark my ball with tails up or heads up or whatever. He's got a checklist to go through.

And also a big Taylor Swift fan, apparently. Yeah, love that. Didn't know that some of the bad. Which I knew it was. Greg Olson. And it's time for Taylor right now. I had no idea. First of all, he knows what song is.

He knows. He didn't want it. Something with New York in there. Yeah, so he knows about it. The other good story that we kind of got into was when he got picked up to go to Buffalo for the first time. And they had Josh Allen. And basically it was DA's O coordinator in Cleveland was now at Buffalo.

And he's like, hey, get on the phone. come up here and just coach this kid. We don't need you to play. He's not going to do nothing. He's like, I got a job. And I was thinking, because he was done with football, I was like, oh, man, wow, that was quick. What are you going to do, dude?

And he's like, no, I'm going to Buffalo to coach this kid up. I don't have to pass physical. I don't have to do anything. I'm basically just there to coach. And then seven days later, Monday night, starting against New England. I was like, oh, God. He's like, dude, I haven't thrown a football. I haven't worked out.

I've been drinking and playing golf for five months. So that was a tough, that's a tough spot to get into. Yeah, but a hell of a career. I mean, 14 years in the NFL, really, really cool. And like we said, one of the best dudes on the planet. Just occasionally sometimes mistakes his sister-in-law for his wife. No big deal. What are you going to do?

That happens. A little inadvertent ass grab. Keep it all in the family, dude. You know what I mean? It's going to happen. All right. Well, that was a lot of fun with Derek. But Sleys, next week, another degenerate is coming into the house.

We're coming in. We're ending out 2020 hot. Oh, man. If you don't know this guy, you got to look him up right now. This guy, we call him Big Red, Mike Commodore. He is all time. one of the greatest dudes, played in the NHL for a number of years, was basically kind of a goon, an enforcer.

Enforcer, goon, whatever you want to call it. Not afraid to mix it up. Got some all-time stories. And another guy, just like all these others, who loves golf, obsessed with golf, play a lot of golf to them. Good player, too, low handicap. But one of the bigger, safe to say, one of the biggest characters,

I think we've probably ever had on this show. Yeah. He put it out an awesome Instagram, a little picture the other day. It was a picture of him on the range, working on his game. He goes, guys. I suck at driving. My Iron Game sucks.

I suck at chipping, but I can roll the fucking rock. He goes, so I'm going to get in one and try to figure this thing out. He is a blast. I can't wait. We're probably going to need a lot of censoring for Commodore, but I promise you, you will laugh and enjoy every second of it. Absolutely. No easier guy to like right here coming up at Mike Com,

and he's going to have some unbelievable stories. So this will be a fun one. Yep, that's going to do it for us. We'll talk to you on next week's golf subpar.