Subpar - Derek Anderson talks being paired with Rory McIlroy and Shane Lowry during his PGA Tour caddie debut

Episode Date: May 6, 2025

On this week's episode of GOLF's Subpar Colt Knost and Drew Stoltz are joined by former NFL quarterback turned PGA Tour caddie Derek Anderson for an exclusive, in-studio interview. The 2007 Pro Bowler shares how he ended up on Kevin Chappell's bag at the Zurich Classic, the stress of battling the cut line in New Orleans, what he did to cause Rory McIlroy to step off his shot and Shane Lowry's reaction to his caddie etiquette. --Choose your style, pick your favorite Birdie Juice logo and shop from a line-up of top tier brands at shop.golf.com today!--Download the Fanatics Sportsbook today and use code SUBPAR and you will get $200 in Bonus Bets when you sign up and bet $20 or more. ⁠⁠⁠https://joinfanatics.com/subpar⁠⁠⁠ Must be 21+. GAMBLING PROBLEM? CALL 1-800-GAMBLER, Connecticut residents call [phone],  Massachusetts residents call (800)-327-5050, New York residents call (877) 8-HOPENY, Maryland residents visit ⁠⁠⁠mdgamblinghelp.org⁠⁠⁠.--Head to shadyrays.com and use code SUBPAR for 35% off premium polarized sunglasses: ⁠⁠https://shadyrays.com/collections/green-wolf⁠⁠--Thank you to our partners at Ship Sticks.  Skip airport stress and costly airline fees with complimentary insurance, real-time tracking, dedicated support, and on-time delivery.  Go to ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠shipsticks.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and use the code SUBPAR20 to enjoy 20% off your first shipment.--Thank you to our partners at Callaway. The #1 putter on every major Tour—PGA, LPGA, DP World—you name it. More Tour Pros trust Odyssey than any other brand, and it shows with #1 rankings in worldwide wins and money earned. See what it can do for you at⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ OdysseyGolf.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠.

I want to go back to the first T on Thursday because I heard they announced his name and Rory hit and something weird might have happened. So get to the T, obviously, there's a pecking order and where you stand on the T, right? And I figured that out pretty quickly. I was going to be in the back most of the day. So I get there and like, every hits it, he pulls driver and it's not driver, smashes it. And it goes up in the air and I was like, oh, or, or, or, oh, I was like, I literally, like,

looked around and I was like, no, not it. Not it. Gadis don't clap. Hello, everyone. Welcome back to Golf Subpar with Colt Nost and Drew Stoltz. Before we get going here, as always, this episode is brought to you by Fanatic Sportsbook. And when I bet, I like getting something back, even if I lose. That's why I bet with Fanatic Sportsbook. When I place a bet with them, I earned fan cash, win or lose. I can flip fan cash into bonus bets or use it for new team apparel on Fanatics.com. Also, if you're a new customer, you'll get $200.

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Also very excited that we are going to be up at the FanFest up in New York here in a few weeks. How about it with a very special guest joining us? Which we will not reveal at this time. That's a major accomplishment. Yes, that we will be discussing. All right. Well, let's get into the golf this past week.

The CJ Cup, Byron Nelson, my old stomping grounds outside of Dallas at TPC, Greg Ranch. And Scotty Sheffler went in as the favorite. And I would say if we're using football terms, he covered by quite a bit. 31 under par, one by eight. Good news for all people that were a little concerned with Scotty having not won yet this year. It seems like he's all right. The fastball is still there. I mean, dude, 31.

I would have bet a trillion dollars he was going to finish it. Minimum 32 after he got to 32. I was like, he'll stay there, Bertie 18. Came back 31. Nice. One by 8. Shout out Eric Van Royen. You're eight down going into Sunday.

Have virtually 0% chance, I think. But you go out and shoot 30. You just do the one thing you can probably do to give yourself a fighting chance and you pick up zero. I mean, dude, he was the leader in every statistical category, imaginable outside of, total driving, which might make it even more impressive. His putter was phenomenal. We always talk about, he doesn't have to be a great putter,

but man, if he is, that's when he wins by a lot, there you go. There's one. That's an example of it. It was a clinic, man. I walked three of the four days with him, and I know the golf course didn't hard.

It did have rough. Greens were soft because all the rain they got. You still got to put the ball in the hole. You got to hit fairways. You got to hit greens. You got to make putts. And he did it by far better than anyone. I have not seen him in full flight like that.

I don't know ever. Like, that was as good as it gets. He shoots 63 on Sunday with a bogey on 3 from 135 yards with a gap wedge that he came up short on. And then on 17, 135 yards with a pitching wedge that he came up short on and didn't get it up and down. I mean, he shot 63. He could have easily been 61.

Part 18. Or even better. Yeah, part 18. But Frank Noblo threw out something great on the broadcast, I thought. I mean, Scotty Sheffler shoots 31 under par. You take the other 155 competitors in the field and take the best round from them each day. They get to all just play best ball, basically.

Their best round. Yeah, amongst of them. Scotty Sheffler ties. They tie Scotty Sheffler. I mean, that's just absurd. It could be the new game. All right, guys, there's what we're going to do.

All you guys just play, try to shoot as low as you can. We're going to play all against Scotty. I believe he said, the only other time he's heard of this happening where people actually look at it was Tiger at the U.S. Open in 2001 when he won by 15. Tiger, I believe, would have either won or lost by one,

but it was close if you took the best score from the field each day. That's just, that's a whole other level. And that's the most dominant performance we've seen in golf since you and I have been old enough to know what's going on, more or less. Yeah. That U.S. Open, that pebble. And that's basically what Scottie just did. Granted, I know. Rory wasn't there.

Some of the big name guys, it wasn't the Gracefield, but I don't care. He was at 32 under with a couple holes left. Like, put them all out there. It don't matter. He might not win by eight, but he ain't losing. He shot 22 under on the front nine. The front. The front he seemed to have figured out.

He burdied every single hall in the front nine through two rounds. It's hard to do. I mean, like seven, it's 230 yard part three. Four, not an easy part of three. I mean, number eight, pretty difficult part four. It's 400, I think it's 505 yards now. Like to go out there and you burdie every single one of them and just two attempts through there.

It's ridiculous. That was a special week for Scotty at a tournament that has meant so much to him. I mean, this is one. They showed the awesome pitcher when he was six years old with Mr. Nelson. He grew up going to that golf tournament, chasing all the pros around for autographs, makes his first start on the PGA tour. when he's in high school with his sister on the bag there,

and then makes his pro debut there also with his sister on the bag. So it all came full circle for him to win this event. I know it meant so much. I mean, obviously the Masters is up here, but I would say that walk coming down 18 on Sunday at the Byron Nelson will be probably the next on that list of most special walks up 18 for a win that he'll ever have in his career. I mean, he got emotional at the end.

There's a guy that's won majors. He's won Olympic medals. Like, you know, he's done huge things. This isn't in terms of like the hierarchy of accomplishments. up there with those and yet he still got emotional on it and by the way props to all the Dallas guys for showing up supporting their hometown event like it's not a signature event it's right before a signature event it's not the biggest tournament in the world but they all go out there and did it i feel like they were all there outside of will's out torres who had to wd for health

purposes um if you don't support it as a local i don't know how you expect other people to so props to them for getting out there and doing it i mean you take scotty away from this thing we got stressed it's different jordan's say that jordan's Beath with a 62 on Sunday to finish fourth. Good to see him playing well. A ton of people out there following him around, but obviously the show with Scott. And yeah, and I've been very passionate about this. It's

your hometown event. You should play it. Like he's skipping the truest championship, which is a signature event, 72-man field, no cut, $20 million purse because he doesn't give a shit about money. He wants to go out there and win. The Byron Nelson, if he is able to play, I mean, last year, his baby boy

was being born that week. If he is able to play, he will be in the field. at the Byron Nelson because it means that much to him. I mean, he loves the crowd. He has so many friends and family out there. It doesn't matter if the purse is a million dollars, $20 million, $100 million. He's going to play the Byron Nelson.

And therefore, I'm sure the people at Truist aren't that happy that he's not playing a signature event where they put up so much money. But look, it's the way the schedule goes. He's going to play Byron Nelson. He's going to play the PGA, obviously. It's a major. He doesn't really like playing the week before a major.

And after that, you got Colonial, which is another event that he loves, just down the road that he can stay at home, followed by the memorial. So scheduling-wise, it's tough. But I just love the fact that he goes out there and he tease it up every year at the Byron Nelson. Yep, tough for the truest.

Good news for the PGA championship, though, because now in the last month you got Rory winning. I don't know if you heard about that, won the master's career grand slam, too. Accomplished that. Scotty Shepler now winning, dominant fashion. On the other side, Bryson DeShambo,

just won on Liv. He's been around in the most recent majors, always playing a factor. By the way, J.T. just wanted to come back. Jordan Spee Show on signs of life. There's a lot of good potential storylines heading into Quill Hall right now. Zander, obviously.

Defending champion. Trying to go back to back on it. It's leading up to a potentially great PGA. Look, Xanders finished runner up when it was the Wells Fargo, now the truest championship. The last two times at Quail Hollow, JT won his first PJ championship there. He mentioned Bryson.

John Rom, I know hasn't played that well in majors, but I believe it's now he's 19. 19 for 19 finishing in the top 10 over on live. I know he's fired up, got a chip on his shoulder to play well. I just hope it lives up to the hype because I'm getting very excited about it. And our show next week is going to be a PGA championship preview show. And I am very excited for this major championship at an awesome golf course in an awesome city where the fans show up. And looking ahead to the weather right now, Siles, it is going to be hot.

It's going to be in the mid to upper 80s, sunshine all week long. this could be an unbelievable PGA championship. I mean, golf hardly ever. We try to create storylines or rivalries or things, but it just doesn't play out that way to wear like Sunday major championship. Here's the two guys that we had circled. You know, like you get in football and basketball and all that. We almost had it.

We kind of did have it at the Masters with Bryson and Rory. I mean, that's, if you're going to pick two names at the start of the week, that would have been two of the three. Like Scotty Sheffler, I think in a perfect world, would have been in the second to last group or somewhere up there. But right now you got all three of them playing good. And hopefully, man, I'd take two of them

being in one of the last couple groups going into a Sunday if I could do it right now because the Masters, we actually got it. And guess what? The Block party continues. Michael Block is back in the field. I had a good tune up this week at the grass clippings too.

If you can play the clip, you could play the PGA championship. Well, that was at night. The PGA championship is going to be during the day. And I mentioned the sun is going to be shining. Guess what? To protect these beautiful blue eyes, I'm going to wear these little shady rays sunglasses sleeves because Shady Rays offers high-performance sunglasses sunglasses built with golfers in mind. The Green Wolf Collection has semi-polarized lenses to cut glare while increasing clarity. Enhances contrast on course, tent design to enhance readability, lightweight, comfortable with rubber nose pads and snap pin hinges. So they stay in place during your swing. 30-day risk-free returns and exchanges. Head to Shadyrays.com and use code. subpar for 35% off sunglasses.

Look good, bud. Like, Robo Col. There's some nice scenery around Quillholy. I'm gonna be needing these bad boys. There's advantages to keeping his eyes concealed and safe from UV rays. All right. Now let's switch to a little nighttime golf. The grass clippings.

Big one. You and the cat, Drew Kittleson, getting ready for the four ball, a little tune-up. I saw some clips on Instagram. I know you didn't play your best, but everything I've heard is it was a hell of a time. Dude, it's surpassed what I thought it was going to. just parking and so I'm like, what are we going to here? There was so many people out there. It was fun.

They do a great job with the golf court. They bake it out. Some of the pins, dude. I mean, talking to former tour, you can have eight feet. If you get it, they're a little questionable at times. I mean, you hit it six inches past the hole. You might be chipping from 40 yards on your next shot. And it could happen back to back easy or else you lag.

We didn't have our best stuff. I feel like we got going at spurts and then just kind of flatlined, you know, wouldn't make, if we hit good shots, we'd miss the puts. or we wouldn't be hitting it close enough to we were lagging. Finish, what, 11 under? Pretty shit performance. But a little tune up.

Nice to get out there for the four ball where we really, really got to go. So prep has officially begun. Shout out to the guys of grass clippings, man. That event, the music at night, I mean, it goes. Who won? Kurt Byram's son, Jake Byram, and his partner, last name, Watkins.

Don't know who. Like, they know. And they, by the way, like, ran away. They shot 19 under, including maybe the greatest putt ever hit in the history of mankind on the 18th hole. And this pin that was diabolical. He made it from like 40 feet. They had to come in sideways. If you miss, it goes off the green.

But I think they won by three. They had some hard pin. Like, that was really good goal. I think they shot 12 the last day. That's golfing. Golfing. Good to see some of the boys. Block was in the house.

Peter Thomas Sulo, John Malli. Tamas Sulo, according to the leaderboard. Tamas Sulo, according to the leaderboard. Page was running around doing, And, you know, kind of like hosting. She hosted the draft party. It's a fun event, man. They're going to be another one.

I think the next one's in August, and it's at Goet Hill. Yeah, Goat Hill out in California, which will be sweet. All right. So there's a lot of action, golf action in the Scottsdale area. And if you're here this week, right over here, TPC Scottsdale, the champions course. The Epsons Tour is heading to town, which is the future of the LPGA. The Carlisle, Arizona Women's Golf Classic is in town. Thursday through Sunday.

If you want to go check it out, Carlislel.lpGA.com for your tickets. One day ticket, $12. Four day ticket, $36. Junior 17 and under are admitted free with a ticketed adult. Free admission for active duty and retired military. Once again, go to Carlisle. LPGA.com. They're going to have a cocktail and craft brew fest at the golf course Saturday, May 10th, from one to four.

Got a junior clinic on Sunday, May 11th at 2 p.m. And also, shout out to Carlisle. They have taken this event to a whole other level. Most of the purses on the Epsom tour, 225,000 to 300,000. The Carlisle, 400,000. So shout out to them doing great things. This is the future of the LPGA. Go check out some great golf over here at TPC Champions.

Yep, as a man who spent most of his time on development or developmental tours, shout out Carlisle for juicing that pot. People got to eat. You know what I mean? Let's get paid a little bit. All right. Good job by then. We're going to get paid with our fanatics segment here in a little bit where we make our picks this week for the truest championship up at Philly Cricket, which basically like you're an honorary member.

So if you don't hit your bet this week, I'm going to be rather embarrassed. But one thing before we get going here. Okay. Speak to me. It was a little tough for me this weekend, okay? I'm in my hometown, Dallas, Texas, flew over there on Sunday night, got to go to the Dallas Stars hockey game, sit with my man, Brad Albers, the president of the stars, Brendan Morrow, Travis Frederick from the Dallas Cowboys was there.

Awesome. You know, you know, you know, I love my hockey, okay? But this was game five. They went out there. They take a three two series lead, heading to Colorado. Your boys, we're losing in the third period,

come back, end up winning game six. So now we got the decisive game seven. Nothing better than game seven in the NHL playoffs. Okay. It's going to be Saturday night. I cannot wait. I'm in town for the Byron Nelson. Our air time is 2 to 5 p.m.

on CBS. They announced puck drop 7 p.m. No problem. And then, oh, Mother Nature had different nights. ideas. Rolls in drops, felt like three feet of rain. We got all these delays and everything. Then we come to find out, we're staying on until that last putt drops on 18 on Saturday, which happened to be Scotty Sheffler in the last group. Puck drop at seven. The last put dropped at 815. I had to give away my tickets. Didn't get to go see. But good news is my boys rallied

down to nothing 13 minutes ago, came back, beat your Colorado Avalanche. My team. 4-2 to advance. But that one was a tough one for me, please. You know, my job comes first. I'm out there working hard, but it was killing me that just 30 minutes down the road, game seven,

which doesn't get any better than that. So when did you pick it up on TV? I got back to the hotel right as the third period started. Oh, so you got just the best part. Yeah. Yeah. But still tough.

I mean. I'm still gutted over it. My abs. You know what I mean? Luckily, we got that title a couple years back, so we're still rolling on that. But it hurts me.

As a hockey player slash die hard. I had a nice little thing going because Brad Albers, I sit with him in most of the games now that I don't live there. And when we got off to the hot start in game five, I believe we're up three, nothing. He's like, dude, do you realize like, you're undefeated sitting in here? I'm like, yeah, put me on the payroll, bud. I'm coming.

I'm happy. And then good news, bad news. I'm glad they won. But he texted me after the game. He's like, guess we didn't need you. I was like, damn it, I thought it was all me. Yeah, offer withdrawn. Yeah, no.

I've still got a chance to get into everything. Yeah, you'll be full retail from now on. All right. Well, let's get to our picks this week for the. for the truest championship up at Philly Cricket Club golf course I know absolutely nothing about other than it's in Philly and I'm probably going to get abused all week

by the wonderful Philadelphia Eagle fans. You get a warm welcome. Where's some Kelly Green out there? I don't care what CBS puts you in just wear that green. A bunch of go birds for you. It's going to be good. It's going to hurt. It's going to hurt.

It's going to George Strait and Chris Stapleton concert at that Lincoln Financial Field on Saturday night. Great music, shitty stadium. but whatever, it's going to be a lot of fun. Wow. I don't know.

Feels like a betrayal. Just even step foot on those grounds. All right. Well, make sure you go download the Fanatic Sports Book so you can join us on these picks this week for the truest championship. What did you have last week? I had a loser. I had my man Sung J.M., who I just didn't really get it going.

It was making a move on Sunday. It was three under par early. And I made three bogeys and I ended up shooting one under. No good. I had Stephen Yeager. Came out the gate, seven under, sitting in like fourth. getting messrs what a call, Stephen Yeager, finishes the week minus six,

56, just a gradual slide down. Yeah. One over out there. I mean, people are shooting 62s on the reg out there, and, yeah, didn't quite have it Friday through Sunday. I was excited after Thursday. That's what's great about the game of golf sleeves. It's on to next week. That's right.

Moving on. Always the next shot. Signature event, 72 guys. No Scotty Sheffler. Roy McRoy is your betting favorite right around 4 to 1. So do what you want with that. But like I said, I don't know much about this golf course. going off a guy who I know is starting to feel more and more comfortable with his game,

starting to play really well. Coming off a final round, 62 at the Byron Nelson, I believe he's got three or four straight top 20s. I'm going to take him as a top 10 bet at plus 250, the Golden Child, Jordan Spieth. Interesting. There we go. Yeah, nice to see that 62. If he could parlay that into another good week here, get that going into the PJ Championship, that would be awesome.

I'll tell you, I do know this golf course a bit. Then you should win. not overly long 71, 7200 yards, which is short by PJ Tour standards. The rough doesn't have to be long because the greens, I would imagine, they'll have so firm. It's hard to even hold the green from the rough.

Might have a shot to backpins, but I truly think, like, yeah, distance, of course, is always great, but I think you got to play from the fairway if you're going to, like, really, really get after this place. So I'm picking a guy that hits a lot of fairways, hits a lot of great iron shots, too. Not the longest in the world, but this is one of the places where I don't think that matters as much.

Give me Sep Straca, top 10 plus 350. Big Sep. Yeah. Ocks. I'm real curious to see what they do, like, score-wise to this place. Because, you know, we talked to Bob Popper earlier today on the radio, and he said, dude, the Champions Tour came out a few years back. They just won over one.

It was a major. And granted, they're hitting it much differently than these guys do. But the golf course is sweet. But it's old school, green slope back to front, rough, great bunkers. But it's hard to stand the test of time with these guys now. so I'm curious to see what they do. Yep, I am too. I've heard both sides of it.

Like I've heard they're going to torch it because it's so short. And then when Bob Papa, who's actually been there, it says they set it up like a major championship for a senior major championship, one over par one. I think those show out and have the thing perfect, and the greens will be bouncy and all this stuff. There's a lot of rain, I think predicted early in the week. So we'll see what happens there.

And I think there's rain on Friday as well. So it could be a little soft. So we could see a lot of birdies. But hey, I don't know. I've never seen it. I'll see it this week. So sweet golf course. When I get up there, speaking of sweet golf, our man had a front row seat to it a couple of weeks ago.

The Zurich Classic. We got former NFL quarterback, turned professional caddy. Derek Anderson joins us on this week's subpar. All right. Back for the first time we got our guy, 14-year NFL vet turned pro jock on the PJ tour recently on the bag for Kevin Chappell down at the Zurich. Derek Anderson back in the building. A skinny Derek Anderson. I might add.

If you haven't seen them in a while. Sveled. Look a nice, D.A. Lean. I like the hoodie. Uh, hoodie's nice. Yeah. I'm a kind of my new jam got a package or a big box of them the other day.

maybe overbought. But it was good. Before we get to the cat in, you just got back from Vegas, a little postmalone and jelly roll concert. A lot of me. It was incredible. Jelly Roll, scented. I mean, he's speaking of down a few pounds. He's down a few pounds. He looked good. Just went with the wife, hung out, played a little cards.

Concert was unbelievable. Stayed up too late. Came home and right back in the fire this morning. And here we go. Light still on in Vegas. You laid mine for him? They paid me back a little bit. Hell yeah.

Oh, nice. Where was the concert? At the big show, Allegiant. Oh, nice. Which is nice. We got to go to the sphere. soon. I got it's afraid of that place. I've heard some horse stories. We might be going.

We might be going June 11th for Kenny Chesney. We've been discussing. No shoes, no shirt. By the way, you asked where the concert was for Jelly Roll and Post Malone. Their tour is called the big ass stadium tour. So what are you saying? It's not a T-Mobile. MGM? Pretty big. Hell of a name. 75,000 over, I think, is what they said. It was pretty good.

That's a big show. That post-mal, I mean, the guy doesn't stop and he's just doing the biggest shows in the world over and over. I don't know how they stay alive, but he's doing all right. One of the most impressive things was his cigarettes that he was smoking while he was singing and like he would like walk up and disappear for a second and come back. And it's like some guy was just like in place and his cigarettes to him as he was going. Cigarettes and bud light just all day every day. That's how he gets skinny. Did he do any covers?

I love, like he's wild with some of the stuff he pulls out. They did like a mashup, I guess. We did like a couple minutes or a minute and then played into another song. The man's talented. I mean, as a country music guy, I'm a big fan of him coming over to this side. I could take him here in town a couple more times. That'd be good. Yeah.

He could make it easy. Yeah. He's hard to book. Let's talk a little New Orleans. On the bag for Kevin Chappell. It's a team event. And Chappie was first alternate, which I actually didn't know this going into the tournament that if someone withdraws, like the other person on the team doesn't get to call in anybody in pickets,

whoever the first alternate is. And Billy Horses was scheduled to play with Tom Hogie, messed up his hip. And there's you and Chappie are down in New Orleans. First of all, how the hell do you get you to go to New Orleans as being an alternate? I bet it wasn't hard. No, I mean, we had actually talked about doing it for like a little while. Had a couple times where it came up and I was like, oh, can I go? And just with like kids sports and all the stuff, it just kind of never panned out.

And he asked me on, I don't know, like Saturday or Friday or something like. He's like, hey, I'm like, first alternate, maybe, you know, not likely somebody's going to pull out. And he's like, he goes, calls me Monday. And he's like, hey, we're leaving Tuesday night. Can you go? And I was like, yeah. And I was like, what's the worst thing that happens? We go down there and have a couple of good dinners and maybe play some cards and come home.

So we got in late Tuesday night. And then he banged on my door Wednesday morning at like 10 and I was still kind of snoozing. He's like, we got to go like off course. And I'm like, okay. Like, he's like, Billy Horsals out and we're in, da, da, da, da, da. And he's like, oh, by the way, you're playing with McElroy. And I was like, and you're a huge golf fan. Yeah, I mean, I love golf.

And obviously, like, Rory was at Whist Rock. I don't know what, that two years ago. And I was up there and watched some hit balls. And I was, it's different. So then I was like, obviously, I was excited that we were in, but then to be in that group. And I didn't, I mean, I didn't really process what was going to happen. I was like, oh, cool, we're playing with Rory. Yeah, I would probably be on TV.

little bit, but I didn't realize that Thursday, there's going to fall us around all day, Friday are going to fall us around all day and first tea, the first day like, I was nervous, I'm not going to lie. I was nervous. I did. Because you've never done this before. Like, not

for real, no. Like, I had gone to Dubai and I caddy for Ben Curtis and like the Dubai Desert Classic back in the day, practice round and like, but didn't do the tournament. I did the waste man, was at Monday Forum here at Pinnacle, which was a blast. but there's nobody out there.

Yeah. You're not playing with Rory. No, but not playing. Yeah. So, but yeah, it was a lot of fun, though. My hands were sweating and got my juices flowing, that's for sure. Did either of them, Rory or Shane, know, like, are they football fans? They know who you were?

Would you introduce yourself? Not really. I mean, Shane said something we were, like, walking down two. I can't remember how he essentially asked me, like, what do you do? You're a huge dude. Like, what the heck? And I was like, oh, I was like, oh, he's like, I'm sorry. I don't follow, like, American football.

And I was like, dude, that really doesn't. I was good for one. year. Well, you shouldn't know me. And he was like, but it was good. On two was good. And then like, think, like 3T and then they kind of like started talking a little bit. And I was like, okay, okay, we can do it. I'm going to be fine. And then I kind of got into the meat of the round and got a little nervous as we got

going and got closer to the clubhouse. Things got a little sketchy a couple days. But as, you know, we'd have like 150, 200. And then as you got closer, it was like nine. All of a sudden there was like 10,000 people. it felt like. Yeah, I mean, you're playing with the guys down there, the defending champions. I love that you're like, I don't know, every shot would be on TV.

Yeah, I mean, Thursday morning, PJ Tour Lives there. Friday, I'm walking with you boys all day. But I want to go back to the first tee on Thursday because I heard they announced his name and Rory hit and something weird might have happened. So get to the tea. Obviously, there's a pecking order and where you stand on the tee, right? And I figured that out pretty quickly. I was going to be in the back most of the day.

So I get there and like, every hits it, he pulls driver and it's not driver, smashes it and it goes up in the air and I was like, oh, or, or, and I was like,

I literally like looked around and I was like, no, not it, not it. Gaddies don't clap. No, but he smashed it, though.

What chaps say when it was looking like, I don't think he even saw it. We're trying to beat him. Yeah, like, I don't think he even saw it. But like from that, after I did it,

I was like, all right. And then we were like walking down the fairway, and he was like, let's go. and I kind of got in like, we're going to kick so last day. And I kind of got away from the,

I'm watching Rory. Y'all did beat him the first day by a shot. I might have had something to do with that. Without question. Without question. But you mentioned the driver off 10, which not many guys do hit driver there. And he hit it every single day,

and he throated it every single day, like 347 or something down the middle. For you as a golf fan, like watching him drive the golf ball up close and personal. What did you take away from it? he's underneath the golf wall. Like he hits it from underneath it. Like it just goes,

like I was trying to explain it the other day at the baseball field to one of the dads. I'm like, see the light pole? We're on third base. I'm like, look at a light pole. I'm like,

it goes over that, like very quickly. And it just stays in the air. It stays in the air. Like, it almost looks like it sticks to the face and then goes, and then I'm like,

that's coming down at like 240. And then it never comes down. At 100. Comes down at 3.30. Yeah. So when he hit on 8 on Friday, no, Thursday, right? It's the driver will pour four for him. For him, yeah, it's 360.

He pulled driver out and everybody goes nuts. And I was like, where is he hitting this? Like. On the green. Yeah. And he's like, he's going to try and hit it to the front edge. And I was like, okay. And he smashed. And I was like, oh, we get down there.

I'm like, there's a pot bunker down there. If he flew that pomp on, it was like 320, right? 325. It plugged on the other side of it and like kicked ones to the right. And then like Friday, he smashed. And I said to him, I go. Did you hit that one very good on yesterday? And he was like, uh-uh.

I was like, got it. And then Friday, he was pin high, and Shane shipped it to four inches. And that's like you're a guy, you're from here, you've played with some of the world's best. Like, you know, wind, a rom, name it, go down the list. Chappie, I mean, it's an incredible. And it's like, for you to say, like, it's a different level. Like, it's like, I mean, that's saying something because it's all you've never seen a professional or a tour player hit it before. Right.

Like, it's just different. Kind of the way he goes about it. I kind of was never like a huge Rory guy. Like I've always liked him. I'm impressed with his game. But like the way that he carries himself, the way that he, what he's doing on the golf course,

there's intent. Like you can see like, I'm the guy, my bag goes here, I'm going to whack it. And like he wants to kind of have some of that tiger intimidation. But he doesn't act like it.

Like he's confident in what he's doing. You know, just kind of the way they go about it, the way he hits it, you know, he doesn't bitch, he doesn't. You know,

a lot of guys are out there whack it. Ah! you know, throwing, he just kind of hit it. He hit one in the lake. Shane hit him in the lake. They didn't do nothing changed. They just kind of went about it and kept going. That's what I thought was most impressive was like all the guys that we saw out there

hit bad shots. Like I hit a lot of bad shots. I get pissed by the time I get to 13, I'm like, I want to go in. You know what I mean? And these guys just kind of keep going. And I see, you know, we all play with those guys. It's just different.

The consistency, it's different. The driver is something like nobody's really. Yeah. The driver's just different. different for him. Like all the other stuff, yeah, a lot of the guys can do it. But you played in what was the Bob Hope many a time. So you've played alongside all these players. But when that man teased it up, I remember seeing you that night in the casino and you just go, how the fuck does that little guy hit it so far? It is hard. Dude, you watch him walk by and you're like, no.

No. And then you watch him hitting. Like, I've never seen anything quite like that. He is dense. Yeah. He puts your hand on his shoulder. And it was like, oh, that kind of makes a little bit of sense. Do you touch him anywhere else? No, I just, just tap on the shoulder. Like, just rock. How's that ass? I'm guessing it's pretty firm. He doesn't have to work out. Gotta be firm.

Does a lot of squats. Yeah, it was good, though. It was super good. Did you guys talk, like, did you and Rory chop it up at all? A little bit. Just kind of about some of the best stops on, you know, going around the tour, like, where he likes to go. I was very careful with what I said, who I said. Like, I, can we just get to like what I did?

No, no, we're going to get there. No, no, we're talking about the good fun stuff. We'll get to work. Are you up to like... Can we just get that? Give us some of your good shit. I didn't do anything bad, bad. What are you most proud of?

Did you pull any clubs? Did you read any puts? Or did you have a good little pep talk when he needed anything? So we had a couple clubs that I got him on, like that I was like, no, that's not it. That's not it. But I didn't really feel comfortable going like, hey, dude, it's not a nine iron. Like, just hit the eight. Like, you can hit the eight.

Like, don't worry about it. You should use putter from the green. That was a good call. Yeah. We did hit some putters from off the fringe. That place is nasty. He's chipping around. It's disgusting.

Just like, let's talk about this for a second. Shane Lowry's short game is. Disgusting. Again, played with John Rom. Played with guys with ridiculous short games and like his ability to just nip it off the grain into the grain. I mean, it's tight as this carpet. And he's all ff. And it's not like he's trying to get it to like three feet.

He's trying to make every single one of them. He made it on one. I think it was Thursday. Yeah, no Friday he made it. And I was like, oh, and then after that, every single one that he hit was like a foot, two feet rolling over the edge of the hole. It's just, it's crazy. Like, I guarantee I go down there and I try to chip tomorrow. It's a chunk five.

Well, I mean, even the tour, they pull putter out there probably from off the green probably more than or as much as anywhere on tour. And he pulled a 60 with no stress. You have to. Like we on, on, what was Friday, it was alternate shot, right? Yeah. So on two, like Kevin hit five wood in. two short right to that back right flag and you're just totally boned right there and like Tom like he's got unbelievable short game too and I like got down there I was like this is going to be

impossible that he might be chipping after this and he hit it to like three feet now he just dug it into the ground and spun up there and rolls down he had like 12 feet and we made birdie and I was like I'm not knifing that in the trees yeah people don't realize because you don't they don't you can't tell on TV like the grain and it's soft normally too it's it's it's terrible If you're a guy that doesn't have much confidence, even Shane Lowry, who I put up there in top five best short games on the PGA tour, he chunked a couple throughout the week, like weird ones that never happened. Right. I think I said that was actually what I said when I came home. I think that they should have done a better job of explaining like how bad or how tough those conditions are for those guys.

Like if you want to make scores are low or high, I guess. Yeah. You're like higher scores. Put them on that shit every week. and make it tight and mow it down and like old bermuda like just make them guess like even reading the greens like you got to read you know it's just going this way getting close the hole the ball's going to go that way a little bit even if the hole's kind of set like that way we're not used to deal with all this bermudas getting so good now like it's way less grainy than like if you go play like dumpy courses in the south then you got like grain is massive it's not like that anymore yeah and i'll say like people always say you know the scores are crazy low because of the golf ball and the driver and all that and yeah but that's part of it But the condition of these places nowadays, I mean, you don't find a blade of grass out of place. You look back to the old days. I mean, it was nasty, soft, Bermuda grain going all over the place, balls bouncing on the greens.

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Back to Derek Anderson. But let's talk about your partner, Tom Hogi. A little bit. I mean, other than being a horn frog, pretty good dude. Solid cat. Unbelievable. By the end of the week, I was like, got in. I was like, hey, we're having team dinners. We're having team meetings. Like, I was all into it.

Like, once we're in. Coach D.A. We're just going to do it, right? And he was like, relax, pal. But we had dinner on Friday. It was good. Played some cards. I love it.

I love Tom. He was, you know, we were struggling at times. And he was like, all right, let's go. Like, hey, we're just only going to make like six birds. Like, we're good. Like, we're just kind of going through it. His game was nice. He's a competitor.

That iron plays nice, huh? It's very good. Yeah. Very good. I don't think he played as good as he obviously would have liked. but watch his games. I mean, his is just like straight. I don't know.

I don't know. It's over and over. And he and Chap didn't even, did they not know each other before him? Because I remember when it got announced, like I got a text like within 10 minutes from both of them, like asking about the other one. I was like,

how have y'all not played together or at least be friends? I think they, no, I think maybe they never played together, maybe like once or twice. Couldn't have played much if they had. I think I saw Tom as a twin fan like years ago, but like I didn't really like meet him well. But yeah. It worked all good.

They played good. They just couldn't make shit. Yeah, you made the weekend. But I was with you all on Friday afternoon for Golf Channel. And y'all right around the cutline there, grinding it out as we've all done. I mean, it sucks. But I remember you set the bag down on 16 right beside where I was standing. And they had a birdie putt.

I believe they were one shot out of the cutline at the moment. I think they were at 9 under par. You set the bag down. You looked right at me. You go, this shit is stressful. I just did. I was like, I didn't know where we were at until like 14. and I hadn't seen a scoreboard, and I was like,

I knew we were somewhere close, because I was kind of looking at it, and like when we started the day, we were only like five off the lead, but we were in 30th place or something like that. So I asked Collins, I was like, hey, I was like, where are we at? You guys need a birdie, and you'll get it in, you'll be okay. So we're going.

So 16, I'm like, I miss that one. Go to 17. Now my hands are starting to sweat. Like it was, I mean, it got like, I mean, I literally, I told. You're feeling it. I was. I told Kevin, like, after,

16, we missed it. 17, he had a great shot on 17. I kind of got the same juices as like when you throw a touchdown. Really? I know it sounds like I mean, the place was just packed with people. He's getting hit an impossible golf shot. Soup left. I mean.

Was that four iron on Friday afternoon? Chap hit? I mean, he told me after he's like, dude, I thought I made it. Like it did not leave the flagstick. You got kind of fucked. Like it should have came off that slope a little bit. But that was that was a hell of a golf shot. He hit it as soon as he hit it, I went, fuck yeah.

And then I was like, oh, then I look over. There's like a microphone right there. And I was like, okay, okay. And then I started walking. Well, we talked about it. Like, it was like, boom, the slope was right there. You can't hit it past it. And then he just absolutely.

I mean, I don't think he could hit it any better. No. I love that you are feeling it. I mean, obviously, it's your very close friend. You want him to do well. And you're down there and you want to be in the mix. And you're playing alongside Roy and to get to play two more days. But then 18, you got to make bird.

to make the cut. And Chappie hit it just short left to the green. Hogi had a great little chip shot. And Chappie had like three feet for birdied. I was on the call and I'm just like, dear God, please make this.

Please make this. I almost close my eyes for a second because it was like you should make it. Yeah, of course. But it was like uncomfortable. I mean, if he said something like, I don't want to hit it from a foot further. I promise you that.

Like going down 18, I was super nervous too because like, where do you hit that ball? Like, and we were between, like, five would have to be like, absolutely perfectly roasted to get it over the bunker. And then Long's kind of dead to that thing. No good at all.

Hit it in a perfect spot and Tom hit an unbelievable chip. And I was like, oh, we did it. I still wasn't sure. Like they signed the cards and I was like, are we going to make it or whatever? And then we walked through. And I saw Rick Wilde, who I've known forever. And he's like, you guys should be good. Yeah.

I mean, it's three feet. But for Chappie, obviously, he's a PJ tour winner. I mean, he's shot 59. But still, he hasn't played a ton this season. I mean, he's only been in a few events. I mean, you definitely feel it. Yeah, like I kind of told him, I was like, I was going through the emotions with him as we went through it. Like, I could feel when he got tense.

Like, you can, like, you're over it. You know when, like, the pressure starts to come, right? And then for him to be able to step up, hit that shot on 17, hit a good one on 18. We make the cut. Like, just good vibes, right? Like, especially when you haven't been out there a lot. That's why, like, these events with no cuts. Like, here's a guy who's been on the field during a Super Bowl.

You know, obviously it's your first time out there. But, like, making the cut is a big thing, like, mentally for people. That's why, like, adding more and more events without them. Just like, man, I don't know why anyone thinks this is good. Well, it just gives guys, like, confidence, right? It's a huge thing grinding out of cut. Yeah. Like, if you're a guy that's that every single week and you got to, you know,

you got to drop your nuts the last three holes and make two birds. Like, I can't remember who we play with somebody who's like, they had a birdie two of the last three to make the cut. I'm like, if you're doing that every week, it gets tiring. And it happens every week. Someone make three out of four signs on that on that. flip side, someone finished boogie, boogie to miss by a shot or whatever. And it's a huge swing.

It's one shot over 36 holes, basically, but the way you feel is like massively. The emotions and massively different. And the confidence, right? So they make the cut and they go to the next week. And who knows? Like, look at Eric Van Ruin this week. Yeah. Plays his nuts off, right?

Like, I don't know how he played the week before, but I watched him on the range. He has not had a good year. There was intent and what he was doing. And like, I watched him work all week. And he goes out this week and balls. But it's almost beat Scottie. Yeah. And it's crazy.

Yeah, almost. Almost out of his ass. Needed to go for two. Score a touchdown to go for two. But, I mean, there's other stories like this, Paul Warring, I believe is his name. Rookie on the PJ Tour has not made a cut this entire year. Knox it on on 18 and 2. Two puts to make the cut, three puts.

Like, just, we've all been there. It's devastating. Like, I mean, I went on a point in my career where I missed 10 in a row and seven of them were by a shot. It's like, you just, and you just, the next week, it's like, just make the cut. I don't care of I finished 70th. make the cut. It's stressful out there. It's different. Is it like a mindset though? I also wonder this is like, is it a mindset of like once you do it, you know you're going to do it? Like can you get in a role of that? You know what I'm saying? Not saying

you know you're going to do it, but like have the confidence to do it. Do you guys get like that? Like I don't know. I mean, I think sometimes your game's just in good shape and you're rolling and you don't even think about the cut line. Yeah. That's kind of what I was. Yeah. But like for me, when I missed, I had a really good year ago and then I missed 10 in a row and I'm like, holy shit, I might not make a cut again. And I'm playing the 18th whole Canadian Open, which is where was this year's a tough par four and I hit a five ironed like 30 feet and all I got to do is two put and I leave it like a foot and a half short in my mind I saw that put lipping out a hundred times that's like just somehow get in there from a foot and a half just wiggle it somehow get in there just

I want to play two more days right who cares what happens on these days yeah it's wild how like if you as soon as you start missing some cuts in a row like all you think about then is like making the cut and it's weird how you gravitate towards like whatever you're thinking about whereas if you're running hot playing great like you start thinking about winning golf tournaments it's like cuts not even, you find yourself close to cut, like, oh my God. Like, of course I'll play the weekend. But when you're missing them, you're like, just get to Saturday. And it's hard as shit sometimes because you just, for whatever reason, you like migrate straight to that cut line.

You think Scotty and Roy have ever been like, God, I just hope I get to the weekend. They probably want to miss one once in a while. I was going to say, they probably have the intentional. It's like, I only got to be here for two days. It's time to go home. The other thing I want to know here is because I know Slees, when I found out he caddy for Wyndham was in player dining, having some nice food. Did you embrace the full caddy experience? Were you in the caddy dining or were you special pass clubhouse, club player dining, all that?

Probably. Probably. There ain't a probably. No, no, no, no. I was in family dining. Okay. As you should be. I wish I would have maybe spent a little more.

I sat on the porch a little bit outside and hung out in the locker room a little bit. I wish I would go into caddy and hung out and probably got the full experience. It's more fun in the caddy dining. I'll tell you that. It's great hearing I'm just back. They're playing. You won't believe this fucking seven iron. All we had to do is get it down.

All we need bogey to make cut or whatever. It's so good. I love the, I was talking to the other guys as we went around Saturday and Sunday and those guys, the stories that they told about the guys that they had played with, you know, previous days and like their caddies. I mean, that's where I missed it.

Like, I guess. But yeah, no, he was good. What did you do on bunker raking? That was always, that was like my number one thing. I had remember I made Wyndham watch me I was like, tell me, and dude, I would spend three minutes

in these things to make sure they were glass because the last thing was going to happen was someone behind us hits it into like a shitty rake job and I get blamed. We put you on TV, raking a bunker, I'll never forget on number eight at Colonial. I remember. And we had it on there, Kurt Byron and I were talking about it. And you're in there for two minutes. I'm like, is this guy ever going to finish

raking this bunker? I'm telling you, you could have eaten Thanksgiving supper off of that thing. It was glass when I was like, not on my watch. Windham, I don't even have his ball or shit, get your putter. I'm making this thing. glass. Whoever hits it in your neck's getting up and down. I had one on 16 that I did. It was pretty nice. And then Kevin came over and checked it. And he was pretty good. The other catty came over and he checked it. Make sure I knew that I was

A lot more pushing than people are used to, I think. And then now you'll spot like the shit rigged. You're like, oh my God. These people just drag and pull it towards them. Yeah. But they were the other caddies. A couple of times like we hit them out, Mr. Green. I went. They they raped like that type of situation. Yeah. The good news is James Edmondson on the bag for, oh, he's been out there hundred years like and he's great james is great james was great i actually he was great like um saturday a couple of times like i would just ask him like where the wind you know where the wind was at just so i had reminders and like anything like on holes like is there anything we need to know on this hole specifically that i don't know right now so that like when he's we're talking through it like

i can hey like i can't remember what hole was he i think it was actually it was on uh 16 sorry the other one was on 15 16 he had like wedge and james like there's that ridge was like at one 22, right? So he's like, hey, just remind him, like, wherever you're at, that Ridge is at 120. So, like, just little things like that. He was very helpful. Good player also. Yeah, he told me he's a very nice player. James can play. Yeah. Very nice play to Houston. Decent, decent. Coop. Club champion at Colonial.

Like a bunch of times, right? Would you want to do it again if asked? I would. I don't know if I would just go do it for anybody. Yeah, of course. But like. You're going to stand in the lot and hope someone picks you up. No.

I mean, it's definitely like something that's cool that got my juices going. Like it was a very cool experience. Obviously the Rory experience, but just like being in the group competing, it doesn't matter. Like Saturday and Sunday, I had just as much fun. Like, I mean, not as much fun. But like just being in the moment, going through each shot, talking about all the bullshit on the course, like it was an incredible experience.

I'd do it again. Yeah. Well, here's my one piece of advice because you're one for one. So you haven't ever missed a cut. Same over here. I went back to the well. I went back to the well. Still haven't made a bogey on the weekend, though, ever.

Oh. Because you didn't make the weekend the same time. And the year we missed the cut, we were like a shot out of the top 10 with like four holes left. It was pretty jammed up. But I was like, dude, two birds. And we're in like the second, third to last group on Saturday. Like, no problem. We're finishing on the front night at Colonial.

Bub, Bob, I mean, dub on the last. And then kind ended up moving one higher than we thought missed by one. And I was just like, I never felt more helpless in my life. I mean, that's kind of a different aspect, too. Like, you're used to hitting the shots and you can deal with when you hit shitty shots. But when you're, like, just rooting for your guy, no matter what you're saying, no matter what you're doing, like, it ain't happening. It's brutal. It's hard, too, like, when they hit bad wounds and you're like, I don't even know what to say.

Yeah. Like, that's not normal. Yeah. I'll be like, all right. That's not all right. I go, well, it's not all right. I know it's not right. I didn't mean to hit it over there.

But let's just go fix it. But if you say nothing, it's weird. but you try to pump them up. They don't want that. I don't know. Yeah. I overspoke a few times, but. You want to get into some of the...

Well, this is going to be a modified E-9 because we've had you on. Let's get into some of the boos and whatever. I got some football stuff too. Yeah. Give me your... You just mentioned, you overspoke. What did you do? Which time?

You choose. Or you can tell both or all. Well, I got in the way. You like me to tell me I got in the way when I was out there or just... Well, so I had a question from Shane Lowry. or a little, he told me to ask you about the time you got in the Roy McElroy's way. Oh, yeah, that was great. That was, I fell five foot one inches tall.

I'll get me, I'll set to stay. We kind of got in a little bit. So Kevin hits that shot on 17 on, that was Friday, right? Yeah. Yeah, Friday. On Friday, so I'm like going down. Shane missed the hazzled by an inch. Yeah, it wasn't good.

He's short, right. And I kind of like, walk back. And I'm like, kind of not really sure where to go, because the flag was over there and Shane's chipping and I'm like, okay, I just want to go put this bag down, get my guy's putter, let's get this over with. And so I go behind the green and Michael Collins says something to me and Rory's chipping from front right of the green right back at me. Colin says something. I like, look down. I don't even know what he was saying.

And all of a sudden I hear from 40 yards away, DA, stop moving. And I was like, oh shit, I grabbed the bag and I went right behind the camera guy and I just stood there and I froze. And I was like, I'm like, I don't even know what to do. Like, what am I doing? Oh, my God. And there's all these people here. Kind of freaking out. Who yelled at it.

Who? Was it Chapie? Chap yelled at me. Told you? Yeah. Meanwhile, Rory had stepped off the chip. Apparently, when I looked down, I bothered him. And then he steps up and proceeds to lay sod over it.

Oh, now you're feeling good. And I'm like, oh, no. Then they make bogey. And we're walking off. And I, like, tapping with the putter. I'm like, I'm so sorry, dude. Like, going up 18, I'm just trying to stay. as far away from them as I could,

the rest of the way, apologize like five times. Then we end up, that's how we end up beating them as they bogeyed 18 and 17, probably because my ass was in the way. So I asked Shane, I said,

well done. I said, any good stories with DA and he goes, ask him about the time he got in Rory's way. I said, he goes, I took the piss out of him, which means I guess he got mad,

but he sounds bad. He yelled at me from across, I yelled it, he yelled from across the green. I'm walking. He goes, it took you two days, and you finally,

screwed it up. Throwing a no hitter. He did say you were great though and he really enjoyed it. It was fun. He hopes he never has to do it again. I made that part out. Before we get back to our interview with Derek Anderson, a quick note from our friends at Shipsticks,

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So no walk-up song Thursday, Friday. We get to the ranch. James comes to me like on the putting green, and I was waiting for chap, and he goes, hey, they need a walk-up song for tomorrow, or by whatever, we teed off at 805, whatever it was. I'm like, okay. And like, what do you guys like? So we're on the range hitting balls next year. I got the phone on full blast. I'm going through Spotify, like just

picking songs. Then finally Tom's like, that one works. I'm like, okay, cool. So I go tell the guy at the first tee, come back, going along our day, nothing, everything's going fine. Got my phone right here, left pocket. It's humidity is 75%. Walking down 16. We're standing there. I can't, how he says his name? Carl Phillips? Willips is over it. And my phone goes off. Absolutely full blast. Like I was playing music on the range.

I was so wet that my stick or the phone pressed against my leg in my pocket. Like I was standing with my arms crossed holding the bag on my back. And it tapped. You know like when the widget that comes up and you can press play to start Spotify on your phone? Yeah. That button gets hit. Why was your phone not in the bag? Because two holes before that, I went and took a piss.

My kid was playing basketball game Text my wife, how's it going? Didn't get a response, nothing. It was just sitting in my pocket. I wasn't like on it or anything. Oh my God, I felt absolutely horrible. How I didn't feel as bad Was his partner just hit it from 170

Out of the left bunker to like a foot. So I'm like, okay, if he misses that, whatever. And then Billups hits it to like three feet hoops And I was walking off and I go, I'm so happy you made that. What was the song? I can't even remember. Um, oh man, I knew you're going to ask me this.

I forgot. Come on. They didn't even have a walk-up song prepped. They didn't plan on making it. No. I don't even know about it. It was some party song that. That's not that bad.

I mean, it's embarrassing as hell. But at least they made bird. Made bird. You didn't get a lot. Like the Rory situation where doches went up there and you want to take a hole. If that would have been with Rory, I might have just set the bag down and just. That's it.

That's it. I'm not built for this. This has been good. I was, I was in the final group on Saturday with me and We're sharing the final group. And we're on the ninth hole and you text me. You're like, well, everything was going fine.

And then today my phone went off with a music being played and I walked through some rock right through the middle of some dude's line. Yeah. Then we get to 17 again. And I go, all right. Kids left, chipping left water. So he can't go behind him. I can't walk through the middle of green. I can't go.

There are the other guys on the right. So I kind of jammed up. He goes, just go behind me. And so I go, I would take, you know, this much space. I go behind him. I drop it over there. I'm walking back. to Chap and I see where he's at very cognizant of what's going on.

Like I haven't walked through a guy's line and a member guest or a dink around around in 20 years. And I'm going and I walk over to Chap and I was like, look at him. He goes, you just walk through that guy's line. I go, oh my God, I look back and there's a cricket on the green. I saw the cricket there. I thought it was the kid's mark and I went around it, like around the little black cricket thing on the thing. And then I was like, done.

And so then Friday night at dinner, I'm like 17. on Saturday, I'm going to grab a hole of the right ropes. I'm just going to walk all the way up the right. Give you all the clubs you might need. I'll see you on 18. We walked out 17 Saturday's like, where are you going? I go, I'll be up on the right hand side if you need me. Whose line was it?

Billups. Michael Thorpe Bjorinson. So you had a good run with them. Yeah, they were impressed. Really good, by the way. Yeah, what do you think of the Stanford Golf experience? So by the end of it, I figured out that they're not golfers, they're robots.

So, Theeron Bronson, he gets the number from his caddy, 176. Okay, he's like, eight iron, smash it. Boom. And like... Eight iron, smash it. Like, it was crazy. It's the exact same swing. Everything was exactly the same.

There was no, like, oh, I'm going to hold this into the wind or, like, 13. 13 is the part of you, right? 14. 14. It was 196 yards, and he hit 8 iron. Like, I was, like, looking at the thing in him, and it just looked like me. hitting a pitching wedge 130. Yeah.

Like, it was good. Those guys are going to be good. I mean, I kind of like, you got a good eye for talent. Yeah, well, it's talking to like some guys and like, oh, there's nobody on the leadboard. I'm like, there's guys out there that we just don't know. The general public doesn't really know about that they're really freaking good. They just need to win a couple times and they're going to start rolling and people are going to love them. Now, on Sunday, you played with Bud Collie and Kevin Tway.

Now, Kev, one of my all-time favorites. but um he's a good one to talk to you feel rather intelligent when you were talking to kevin you guys talk about literature math i love keb he's so great he was cracking me up he had a he had one on oh i came where a whole it was now 13 he was actually 13 he said it and then like bud looked at me and i was like i don't even know what to say like i didn't even want to comment and i'm like i'm not sure where that came from i don't know what he said i don't think he knows what he said no it was great uh what about but speaking of like robot guys i mean i don't know on Bud played the day you're with him.

There ain't a dude that hits it out of the middle directly where he's looking more frequently than that guy. But didn't have his best day. But immediately noticed he just hits it straight. Like straight. Does not curve. Two, three is the part three. Like a five iron that did not leave the flag.

It was like 210 yards. Really awesome. Like obviously watched his journey and what he's gone through. Awesome to see him go out there and, you know, get in the mix again. Yeah, he's, I love his action. He is so easy. It might be the most simple golf swing. And he's been, he's one of those kids.

There's not many of them, but have always been the best. Yeah. Like, whatever age they were. Never not been one of the dudes. He's thick, too. Like, he's put together too. Like, meaty. And just to even come back, not to just play, but to play well like he's playing after that, after that long off too.

I mean, that was a scary deal. Did you get any messages from like some of your former NFL guys? We're like, what the hell are you doing out there? I had, we have a group message with a bunch of guys. from Carolina and then I had a few other guys that they were like I didn't really tell anybody that was out there all of a sudden they were like what are you doing like how is this happening and I was like I don't know we just kind of got out there and they're like oh it looks cool I had a bunch of like old coaches and stuff that sit around like because they knew chaff and I were good buddies

and like when he was playing well and I was always making guys turn the TVs in the kitchen or in the lunch room so I could watch the golf and so they they knew about the relationship so it was it was cool though it was cool like guys were sending me clips like that's also I I didn't know we were on TV. All of a sudden I got done. We had like 75 messages, like TV clips of us beating it around. Yeah, who knew?

All you had to do was get it, be a caddy on the PJ tour, get out of that little small time shit playing quarterback in the NFL, you know? And he's come back to life. Yeah. Then you get it. Favorite dinner spot in New Orleans?

Nobu. Went to Nobu three times. Nobo. There are those everywhere. We didn't. So. I know. It's right there.

We did good. So we had good Thursday, good Friday. I'm a creature of habit. So I was like. You are superstitious. I'm a little superstitious. So I'm like, let's just go back.

And then the last night, we went to Ruth Chris instead, had to mix it up, didn't have a good Saturday. But that was a good spot. Good fish. We got Tom to try some stuff that he'd never tried. Tom's a hot dog, corn dog guy. Yeah. So we drug him. He was trying to get me a hot dog in the casino.

And I was like, ah, I've been eating good, dude. I can't throw a hot dog down the golet. But we got him in there, had some, what do you have? lobster tacos and he was like, oh, these are like really good. So opened his palette up a little bit. Yeah, good man. Good Midwestern kid. You know what I mean? Just a basic, basic palette.

How did you do with all the club reps out there? I figured you may come away like, hey, chap, go slide about four of those butters. I'm going to need a couple dogs. You know my specs. How do we do? I'm actually pretty happy with my set right now. Nothing? Nothing.

We didn't even get in there. I'd like to normally when they're here, go say how to all the guys. But I didn't. Wednesday was such a chaos because Billy didn't pull out to 1.30 and we technically couldn't be on the course. So we had to wait for him to pull out to even go say hi to Tom. Yeah, they were waiting on Zurich to make the announcement of extending their partnership with the tournament. Which could have got wild because if somebody else would decide if they pulled out, we'd already kind of like talk to Tom. Oh, yeah, that's good point.

I didn't even think of that. We announced it on radio before they were texting me. I was like, yeah. hitting balls and he's like, you guys aren't in. And then somebody's like, oh, so-and-so is going to pull out. And Chapp looked at me and was like, this could get weird. Because we would have ended up with the first person, then the next person would have been.

Well, because Billy had announced, and then maybe Shane Lowry, something happened to him. He fell, be like, forget that. Oh, I'm going to go play with Rory. Right. Yeah. Shane, take a knee. There could have been some weird stuff, but it worked out.

I didn't get any new clubs, but I didn't need them. I can't believe that. I know. I am a little shock. You must not have seen the equipment trailers. They were right there. Yeah, they're right there. I was busy.

I was focused. I was cleaning the clubs. Getting the blockup song ready. By the way, one last thing, you know, you call everyone fella. What's up, fella? I didn't know you had a weight loss drug. Weight loss. Like, weight loss?

There's a weight loss drug for men called fella. Are you getting any royalties off this at least? No. No. I naturally lost my weight. You did? No, I don't know. I naturally lost it.

I quit my drinking and it. off. What is the fellas line? What's their hashtag? Do they have a hashtag? I don't know. Let me look for you real quick. I could pull it up before. Slogan. Yeah. Fellow products for women. Says medication weight loss for bigger guys. There you go. That's all I got. They need a line. Whatever their line is. A little tagline. Yeah. Can I ask you a football question? This is going to be in the E9 here. Okay. So you know the famous Browns jersey with all the quarterbacks and names of all the

starters that they've had, right? There's like 30 of them. I don't know what. in there, obviously. Whose name will be added to that jersey first, Dylan Gabriel or Shador Sanders? Ooh. Man. Yeah. That's to start.

So, arranging those play, and then they're bouncing them, and they ain't the dude anymore. Basically, who's not going to stick? This is, I would go with Gabriel. You think he's out for it before? No. You think Shador ends up winning it? I'm sorry.

I said that wrong. I think Gabriel's going to, play before. Yeah, that's right. I think Gabriel is going to play before Shadur, and then he'll get benched, and then Shadur will go in. Because Gabriel, what was Gabriel?

Third rounder? Fourth rounder. Yeah, but I mean, how many quarterbacks? They have... They have... They have Watson, Flacco, somebody else, and then the two rookies. So, what's going to happen. So Watson, they'll

get his contract out of there, and they're going to just swallow that thing and make it a mess. God, what a deal. Flacco will be the old man, run the room, help those two young guys. They'll be together. other. They also have little gloves from Pittsburgh. Oh, can he picket? Can he picket?

Little gloves. Little gloves. Yeah. A little Mets. So I don't know where he fits in the mix, but I could see them keeping Flacco and the two young guys, or maybe they keep Flacco, the two young guys and put one of the guy, or two of the guys, and put one of the guys on the practice squad. But I think, I think Gabriel will get the first opportunity just because of where they drafted him. They obviously liked him more than Shadur from the beginning. And then Shadur will get his, chance. What a mess, though. God, with him.

And then you got all the Browns players, like, tweeting about Chador and stuff. I'm like, this kid, you know, Dylan didn't do anything, but it feels like they already made up their mind players. It's a hard, it's a hard thing because, like, I had that's not the same situation, but a very similar situation there because they drafted Brady Quinn first round the next year after I'd just gone

to the Pro Bowl. So then now there's, now you have that. So it's not the same, but kind of, like, depending on who gets behind Shadur and, like, if the team's behind him and you can get mess. Well, it's one of those two going forward, right? I mean, Deshawn's gone, Flacco's old. It would probably be in there like you said,

but you're going to go with one of them, and one of them's going to go somewhere else. And see who. I wasn't overly impressed. I watched Gabriel play Oregon State, the Civil War this year. And he doesn't, like, chuck it. And I mean, I don't think Shadour chucks it either, but, like, throwing the ball in that stadium,

the wind, how cold it is, like, accuracy, you've got to be good and you've got to have a strong arm. So we'll see. Yeah. What did you think about just the overall, like, Chodor slide down? I feel like everyone had an opinion. You've lived it. I didn't love it.

I think he just started sliding and then it became like, oh, we're not going to be the ones that fall to it, right? But it's also, like, it's hard for them, too, right? He comes with a lot of stuff around him to, like, do teams want to deal with that? Do they want to? Is he good enough to deal with that? That's the thing, right? Is he worth it, yeah. Cam, like around Cam, I watched his thing with his hats and all the jazz and all this,

but he was always focused on football for the most part, and it didn't really get into the team and cause, like, messes. We had a couple of incidents here and there, but nothing, like, crazy. And I think it's hard. You bring in a rookie with all that juice and all that, like, everything going on. You're just asking for chaos. I mean, the NFL will take anybody.

If I think you can win games, like, they'll take it, despite what goes on off the field, right? We've seen that. So for him to drop, like, that, like, his interviews, and the stuff came out with the Giants about how they put in the installs, right, and they make mistakes and see if guys catch it to see he was actually like studying the thing and like they called him out on it

because he didn't and he got all mad. Like his interviews had to be the worst in the world because if he was good enough and they thought he would like you, a team would take him. He's not going to slide to the fifth. Right. I agree.

And those interviews are super important. I actually happen to know the guys in New York and had messages like back and forth about how things had gone. But like when I was going through those like my agent was like, hey like they're going to critique you on these and then they're going to talk to other coaches and like it just goes around so

like you have one bad one and they don't necessarily have to like be detailed on what you did wrong but it like goes to the Colt and then Colts like okay and then he goes through the meeting with him he already has these pre-conceived notions in his head about like what this guy's done just kind of snowballs you mentioned your boy Cam Newton been on ESPN a lot lately with just the most unbelievable outfits of all time it's what do you think his hat collection is worth Oh my. Well, for a while, he was not wearing the same hat twice. And those hats are...

Yeah, they're not cheap. You guys can go online and look up that guy's hat. He's got to cut a hole in the top. He probably devaliums a little. He can't go sell those on eBay. I'm hoping that he somehow got like a little piece of the guy that's making the hats because, like, they did the whole thing on that guy's shop. And isn't it in Laguna Beach or something like that?

And like, the guy's got to be printing money. I would say his hats collection has got to be over. 300,000. Contrast. Has to be. And bow ties. You still talk to him? It looks like Willie Wonka.

I haven't talked to him a while. I actually FaceTime the other night and trying to get a hold of him. I had a random question for him. But no, he seems to be doing good. I saw his Instagram the other day. He's been working out,

get staying in shape. The guy could probably still go out there and play. He's one of the all-time, like, freak athletes. By, you can't swing a golf club, though. Golf, you can be too athletic for golf, I think. He might be.

be it. No, no, no. I think if you're an athlete, you can figure out how to swing a golf club. But like LeBron, have you seen LeBron swing? I mean, it's the worst thing about it. Cameron, LeBron, very similar to golf swings. That's hilarious. I'll never forget when I came out to Carolina at a football practice and he came trotting by and I'm like, oh my God. Like, he's as big as a linebacker. I'm like, how are you supposed to tackle that? And he ran's a four-three. Right. He was so good. He doesn't get enough love. I don't think for how good he was for a stretch. Totally agree. Did you win an MVP? Yeah.

Yeah, there you go. Maybe you did get some love. Went to the Super Bowl. I mean, I think you'll see that more with guys like him that have those types of careers. Like guys go all in, just send it, beat their bodies to hell, play 10, 12 years, be done. Like, he lasted a long time, though, for how he played. It took a lot of hits. A lot longer than I thought he would, like, the way he put his body in harm's way, like, every single week.

Yeah, he was a truck. Talk to Josh Allen? Yeah. I actually told Josh, like, I was like, hey, like, you're going to do the same thing you did to Cam, or Cam does his body, like, slide sometimes, and he's like, I can't. And obviously, he's figured out how to do it. Like, he's kept himself out of arms away for the most part, but also knows when to take the risk. But he can hit a golf ball.

You can hit it hard. Like, far. Yeah, hard. Like, the first time I took him, or the time I took him to Wish Rock, he was hitting in the back of the range, he was, like, hitting him on the deck. He was in the front. There's no idea where it's going at times. And I'm sure he's better now.

Like he was shipping. He was hitting like 3.30. God, he's good at football. I love watching him play. One of the best guy. I mean, obviously, it's so fun to watch. One of my favorite guys to watch. Obviously, everybody loves watching him.

But some of those throws, some of the things that he does out there, the creativity is. Especially up there. I don't think cold weather guys don't get enough, like playing in the dome in New Orleans or something versus Buffalo. Like, not the same. Not even the same. Like, some of the throws he's making on the run and it's 30 degrees. Like, I mean, holding that ball. Yeah.

It's just, it's crazy. Yeah. Well, fella? always fun catching up with you. Good job. Cady, though. On the bag. Hey, one for one,

maybe retire 100% cut made. We'll be back probably. All right. Do you want us to give out your number when we post this for other players that might be interested in your services? Yeah. Caddy for hire.

We'll see. Yeah, we'll put it out there. Top 50 guys on ring. I promise they're going to have a good time. I promise you're going to have a good time. I'm not great with math, but I'm a good motivator. You get range finders now.

I can take a range fire all the time now? Yeah. What? Well, they're trying it for the rest of the season. So it's going to go into it. So let's keep the slope off. I put the one with the slope in the locker, took the one with the slope.

It's so dumb. Like Davis-Rowley just got a penalty last week for the slope thing. It says the slope in the book. Like, who gives a shit? I was going to say, like, who cares? The book and you're at the, so you'll give you the 152 head.

It says four up. It says four up right there. So what? Who cares? It's, it's, yeah. I mean, I get it like that. They don't want the ones that can tell you the hyper or the barometric pressure in the wind.

Yeah. That might be a little different. Whatever. Anyways, great job caddian. Appreciate it. I'm catching up with you. Thanks for having me, boys. It's been good.

All right. It's always fun sitting down with the fella. Derek Anderson on the bag for Kevin Chappell down there at the Zurich Classic. We're going to get to that in a little bit. But Slease, I got the hoodie on right now. You got the T-shirt on. We got these off of our T-commerce site, shop.golf.com. Where you can go over there, you can pick it.

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All went smoothly for the most part. That's 17th hole. It's just a bastard. It got him. Players and caddies. It ain't easy for anyone. He was so excited leading up to this thing, like getting the text messages before and all this.

It's cool to see a guy that literally has played on the biggest stage in the world, Super Bowl, gets so fired up for a golf tournament with his boy, Kevin Chappell. Crazy to me, by the way, that Chap and Hogi, and at least cross paths are like familiar with one another, but cool dealer for him. And it wouldn't be fun. If he didn't have some,

some faux paws, if you didn't have some messups out there, it wouldn't be fun. You know, we knew we could bank on a few. The phone going off is a nice one. Luckily, they stoned it on that hole.

And then also, if you're going to get yelled at by someone, or you're going to mess somebody up, Rory's the guy, you know? Let's walk away with a story. Yeah, but that had to be a cool week for him. I know he had a blast. Such a huge golf fan and to be,

get to watch Rory and Shane Lowry. I mean, both major champions up close and personal. That's a hell of a week, man. Really cool. Happy he got to experience that. But that was a lot of fun. Once again, if you're in the Scottsdale area, make sure you head out to TPC Scottsdale Champions course.

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