Subpar - D.J. Trahan on his incredible Masters experience, being paired with Tiger Woods

Episode Date: February 21, 2023

On this week's episode of GOLF's Subpar, 2-time PGA Tour winner D.J. Trahan joins former PGA Tour pro Colt Knost and jicky jack legend Drew Stoltz for an exclusive, in-studio, interview. The NCAA Champion at Clemson talks his incredible experience at the Masters, being paired with Tiger Woods on a Sunday and how plant based medicine has changed his life. -- Step up to the tee and take a swing at betting the PGA TOUR with the Official Sportsbook of Subpar, FanDuel. Go FanDuel.com/SUBPAR to get a NO SWEAT FIRST BET up to ONE THOUSAND DOLLARS in BONUS BETS! FanDuel, ​​Official Betting Operator of the PGA TOUR. Disclaimer: 21+ in select states. First online real money wager only. $10 Deposit req. Refund issued as non-withdrawable bonus bets that expire in 14 days. Restrictions apply. See full terms at fanduel.com/sportsbook. Gambling Problem? Call 1-800-GAMBLER or visit FanDuel.com/RG (CO, IA, MI, NJ, OH, PA, IL, TN, VA), 1-800-NEXT-STEP or text NEXTSTEP to 53342 (AZ), 1-888-789-7777 or visit ccpg.org/chat (CT), 1-800-9-WITH-IT (IN), 1-800-522-4700 or visit ksgamblinghelp.com (KS), 1-877-770-STOP (LA), visit www.mdgamblinghelp.org (MD), 1-877-8-HOPENY or text HOPENY (467369) (NY), 1-800-522-4700 (WY), or visit www.1800gambler.net (WV).

Hello world. Welcome back to golf subpar. Colt knows Drew Stoltz. Well, we're off to a better start today. Already better. Hello. It feels good to have a pulse coming on to do the intro here. What a week. We had a lot of comments about our voice, which we were playing hurt. But I think it was, you know, it's a great example of what the W.M. Phoenix Open does to you. I was walking down the fairways this week. And one guy yelled out, medical miracle, your voice Monday to Thursday. Yeah, which I probably agree with the guy. But hey, we, we, we. left it all out on the field and that's a product of what we what we did look what's our battle cry get amongst it we talk about it all the time occasionally we live that and it was in our throats i think some of it's still a little bit inside of me this week but we're off to a better start and

that's look we live that thing you know i mean we can't fake it i wish my throat didn't suck but it did i i my throat was one thing but then i i normally always listened to our teasers just to see what it's like i couldn't do it yeah i got my voice sucked and then my eyes look like i got beat up by Mike Tyson. But hey, we're all better now. A lot of messages regarding our voices. Thank you for the concern. We're back.

We are back. And what a week to be back. That was Riviera, most fun golf tournament in a long, long time, in my opinion. Yeah. And the champ is not back. He's just still going. He's just staying right there at the top. Ron.

Five wins. His last nine starts. Worst finish, seventh. Throw that one away. Made over $9 million already in 2020. We broke it down earlier. Per shot in 2023. He's making six.

$6,99. It's got to shoot higher. Hit it more. 91. Sorry, guys, didn't have it. Pay me. But the stars were out. Another designated event.

A battle between John Rom and Max Homa, two of the hottest players on the planet. Oh, and by the way, Tiger Woods also teed it up, made the cut. T-45, not what he wanted, but it was so great to see the big cap back. I mean, start of the week, especially after that practice round, he had to walk 18 on Wednesday. It was freezing. The weather was cold starting off.

I mean, just playing the weekend. I think that was a, at a place. that he doesn't play well, like the only place he doesn't play well. I was blown away. It was good to just see him, but like his speed, man, like we saw him at the parent child, right? And they had the monitors out there. And it's like, you see some ball speeds. You're like, okay, are they juicing this thing, you know, just to make it look a certain way. But you get out there and you got Rory and Justin Thomas. You're going to get a pretty good indication where he stands quickly. Dude, he was moving it 175 to 180 basically in the entire week in not warm conditions. He's wearing sweaters. It was cold out there. The pop that he had was really surprising me.

Tita Green, I was like, yeah, this looks good enough to compete to win. The putter was a little shaky, but dude, when you don't play for a year, it's hard to just come in and be sharp. I don't care how much you practice. Look, I got a front row seat for 54 of the 72 holes. It was incredible. My first time ever walking with him. The things he has to deal with are just crazy. The buzz are in his gallery. It's so awesome. I mean, it was truly, like, that's a bucket list item for me. It was really cool to see up close and personal to talk with him going down the fairways and just see the Goat. He still got so much game.

The putter was a little cold, but he never really puts good around there anyway. So we're going to throw that out the window. But, man, let's get into it. Because, you know, what happened on Thursday is a perfect topic for our show. Talk to me. Tampon Gate. Huh? Okay.

Yeah. All right. Okay. I mean, do you not want to get into it? No, absolutely. want to get into it. I mean, so here's a little joke that got blown way out of proportion, in my opinion. Listen, I'm sensitive to everything and all that, but here's a joke between two guys, two very good friends that, listen, they're athletes, this is sports, you know, there's

trash talking. You know, what is the one thing when players step away that they miss the most? The banter. The banter, the plane rides, the locker room, everything. And I get it. He's out there's cameras everywhere. Probably shouldn't have done it. But was it really that big a deal? At the end of day, who cares? Like, all right, that offends you? All right, you have every right right to be offended, but doesn't mean you get to like cancel everything and like, oh, this guy's a bad guy and all this stuff. By the way, he didn't get in front of a microphone and say something. It was supposed to be like a under the radar joke just between him and Justin Thomas that, you know, cameras, of course, Tiger does anything. They're going to catch it. But it's like,

dude, with all the stuff going on the world, like, is this a thing that deserves attention and energy. Like, no, dude, just, everyone's just got to let stuff slide off their backs a little. It's okay to have a joke and it's okay to not like a joke. Doesn't mean like that person's done. Like, just everyone chill out. If you can't chill out in LA, by the way, where there was a heavy smog over the galleries from what I've been told by some players. Sound like they were having a good time out there. Elevated event. Another call designated, but maybe we keep LA elevated. Like, dude, just calm down. He's back. There's bigger things going on. This doesn't, this doesn't deserve like attention.

It doesn't at all. And every news outlet picked it up. I mean, it's just a little joke between friends. If you don't find, I mean, God, it's like,

like for me, I'm just like, ha ha, funny. Yeah, I mean, it wasn't even that funny. It was just a stupid little joke.

It's a little joke. Like, I'm in a bit of by here. I got 80 surgeries and I'm 46. I'm still hitting it past. But I think it's really wrong for all these writers to also assume what he meant by it. That's not fair. Speak on it.

No, I'm not going to go there. The meaning can be, they were wrong about what the meaning was. let's just say that. Okay. Which, yeah, they should ask him what he meant by it. He's not going to tell you.

But they were totally wrong about it. But the fact that all these articles get written about it, it's just stupid. Fred Funk put on a dress at the Skins game a bunch of years ago when Onica drove it by him. And everyone laughed and had a giggle. And we could actually take some jokes at the time without it being like an indictment on an entire, you know, gender. Like, it's okay. It's just a little joke. If you don't like it, you don't have to watch, by the way.

It's all optional. I was like, dude, this is what we're going to freak out about now. A lot of stuff going on. Didn't see all articles written about what he did for the young girl off number 17. Let's talk about that. I mean, I was there. I saw it. Young girl named Madeline had a sign out, said, my bucket list.

First one, get a heart transplant. Checkmark. Next one had two boxes. Next to it, it was meet Tiger Woods, play Augusta. Those were on marked. Good list, by the way. We're walking off 13. on Saturday and I see the girl,

the dad, and I, you know, I'm not close enough to tiger to be like, hey dude, take a look at that sound of that. Yeah,

you should maybe just do something, acknowledge it. But I was just going to let him do his thing. We get to 17 and there she is again. She's right behind, right where they have to walk off. And I see it and he finished the hole before the other two. So he was staring at the back of the green.

You could hear Joey. His cat, he kind of like whispered something in his ear. All of a sudden, Tiger turns around, kind of sees it, smiles. signs of glove, walks over with his Sharpie, which there's no video of this, which just sucks.

Walks over and he checks it. The Meat Tiger was, hands are a glove, gave her a high five if he was walking by. I mean, I can't imagine what that moment was like for Madeline. You know, we've been talking to her dad about possibly trying to help out with that third box, play Augusta. A lot of people have reached out about doing something special for this young girl. But that's the stuff doesn't get talked about enough. Yeah, how about some attention on that?

Yes. And by the way, I sent out a tweet yesterday. say like, hey, does anyone know how to get in contact with this young lady or a family? The amount of people that reached out like, oh, hey, her dad just tweeted this. Long story short, you and I have both been in contact with the dad. Suffice it to say without getting into details. There are so many people who have reached out trying to help this young woman, check off that final box.

It's been like mind blowing, really. And that just speaks to like, that's the cool part about golf. Like that doesn't happen in basketball. I didn't happen in football. Like that's golf. They see something and people rally to try to make it happen when someone has had a tough situation like this young girl and it's that's all like give that more and less about this little bullshit joke just a little funny thing like throw away like come on man but one last thing on

that like we're finally just now starting to get all this access that everybody's been begging for for years right the Netflix show full swing killing it people love it you're getting all the behind the scenes action players are starting to open up more it's great the walk and talk the stroll everything yeah now one little thing like this it's going to be a massive giant step backwards because all these guys are going to be like, you know what, we don't have to do this. Like, we're not getting paid to do full swing. We're not getting paid to do all these interviews. Like, we're out.

Forget y'all. Y'all going to throw us under the bus for one little stupid joke that, in my opinion, probably really shouldn't offend anyone. And it's harmless. Exactly. Like, I hate it. It's just, I think we've got to be really careful here about what we're going to make a big deal out of. Yeah, you want access to these guys.

You want the behind the scenes. You want to see them have a personality. But then as soon as they show it's like, oh, not that much personal. Yeah, no. We don't want to see that much. So like, all right, where's the line? And if you're a player, it's like, dude, what's my upside on this? Yeah.

Nothing. The worst case is I make, I try to be funny. I try to make a joke. It doesn't go over, boom. Everyone gets outrage. Or I do nothing, give nothing. And they're like, oh, you're just a boring golfer. Like, you just, you got to walk that fine line with these guys.

And it just, I think these stupid little nothings that get all this attention. It's just like, it's so unnecessary. I don't know. The intent has to be taken in. And you just go to men sports specifically. I mean, what do you? do with your best buddies. You needle them. You trash talk. You play jokes on them. That's just what you do. That's part of it. And that's never going to change. Never. That's never. Is it the DNA? Like that's what makes it

so great. That's why we want to see. Hey, mic up the practice rounds. Let's hear the needle. Let's hear all this stuff. And then like all of a sudden, oh, there's an actual joke. Oh, no, don't do that. Intent has to be taken in. If they're like a malicious thing and I guys just saying something outrageous and trying to offend. Like that's one thing. But a little jab like, hey, I'm still hitting it longer than you. my back's been operated on 17 times and I'm 46 like dude it's nothing you want I mean how about we mic up the NBA players and see what they say to each other out there on the court or just how about actions like instead of just little jokes that should carry more weight like come I just get over it guys throw away thing yeah move on it's a nothing burger the deal with madeline was a much bigger deal

yeah and hopefully in a week from now we can report some even better news regarding madeline and her her list. But what a tournament it was. John Rom, by the way, past Sevy. For most wins, past Sevy, he had nine wins. Now John has 10. That's his idol. Really cool to see. Battled out. Max Homa just continues to get better and better. Number eight in the world, you know, his interview afterwards, the emotions he showed. I mean, I think it's just going to gain him more and more fans. But it's, that's the real Max. Like that tournament means so much to him. You know, he brought up the year he won when there was no fans there because of COVID. This year, 90% of that gallery was on his side, rooting for the LA kid to pull it through.

He came up just a little bit short. And he got a little emotional his press conference. But man, I'm here for it. We're already massive fans of Max home. I don't think we can be any bigger fans. But the rest of the world's starting to realize who this guy is and why, in my opinion, here, within the next two years, he'll be the number one player in the world. It just keeps climbing.

I mean, you can go back, what, two years, one of the first times we had Max on, like, can you be a top 10 play? You know, that was like the goal. Are you that good to be top 10? Now here he is at 8. And I think if you took a snapshot of golf right now, it's Rory, Rom, Scotty, not in that order. Those three guys are pretty much staples, right?

They've been better than everybody. And now if you're adding a fourth in like snapshot right now, it's probably Max Homer. Yeah, I'm with you. As the next guy. I'm going to get any argument for me. I love it. I can't wait to see what he does.

He's just got to perform well in one of the four majors. It's majors now. He can go win a bunch of terms. We all expect him to win golf terms. Now it's like, What do you do? That's when you become in that next tier, like you're judged on your majors.

If Jordan Speed goes out and wins twice during the year, but zero majors, not a great year. Justin Thomas, same way. Rom, Roaring, name them. Now it's major championships.

All right, well, let's get to our guests this week. This is going to be a fun one. He's a two-time PGA tour winner, was a dominant player in college at Clemson, and it has some very interesting stuff he wants to talk about. I don't want to spoil it all. Let's just get to it.

Here's DJ Trahan on Golf Subpart. All right, folks we are joined now by long-time pj tour vet clemson tiger legend two-time winner on the pj tour a very interesting man to talk to who's also currently morphing into the incredible Hulk dj trey han what oh baby i'm telling you good to be here thanks for having me what a specimen you've turned into huh people won't recognize if they haven't seen you in a while i you know it's okay with me i you know a lot of things have transpired in my life and um you know fitness and just looking after myself a little bit better was was one of them it's just brought me a lot of um honestly a lot of

peace you know it's kind of like therapy for me going to the gym and I was at a place in my life where I needed some kind of therapy and doing that was good for me we're gonna we're gonna get I got to ask about this hat yeah yeah what is this hat for those of watching on YouTube there's a frog and Bufo yeah Bufo is a type of frog medicine and uh hold on right now but I never all you YouTubers out there um that's been part of my journey too in the past couple years and um it's it's absolutely changed my life and I was at a place where I felt like I just didn't even, couldn't even really connect with my soul anymore. I just was, what's the mean, you know, I don't know what rock bottom looks like for some people,

but for me, I don't even know if it was rock bottom, but I was just kind of in this place where I was like, what am I even doing? What does all this mean? I don't even understand anymore. And, you know, I wasn't doing hard drugs or anything, but I just literally was just, I felt lost. And I had a great conversation with a guy named Taylor Massey, who I think maybe one of you, you guys, I don't know if you know Taylor, but we were at the Barbasol Championship, and he and he and I just started talking, and he looked at me, and he goes, man, he goes, he just like, kind of the way he looked at me, I just felt the connection when he was doing it. He goes, I think he started telling me about ayahuasca. And I was like, oh, I was like, I've never heard of that.

And then he starts explaining his experience with it and kind of what the medicine gave to him. And he said, you know, I was able to witness what it gave to a lot of other people, too. And that kind of started my journey. And, and of course, I was busy working and playing. golf but I thought to myself I think I'm I think I want to do this and I immediately it just resonated with me and I that December and December of 2019 I found my way down to Costa Rica to the place that Taylor had recommended to me a place called Rhythmia and it changed my life and I actually met my wife there so in more ways than one but it for me it was just a beginning of this journey from 2019 until now and of course Bufo is another type of medicine and it's powerful

stuff too but it's just it's just changed my outlook on life a lot and I'm really pleased where I'm at well things are obviously in a great place congratulations you recently got married I did yes baby on the way baby on the way man rocked so that's good so thank you we're gonna get in need all the medicine you can get yeah the whole baby thing it's gonna be awesome I've seen many friends go through it but certainly never experienced it myself well congratulations we're gonna get to all that everything you're going through right now but got to talk a little golf sure about it your your journey because like you said two-time winner yeah fellow USAGA champion yes at sleaze. You were so close.

A lot of great runner-ups on the list. Exactly. A lot of great names didn't quite get over the home. He even has one more than either one of us can say we have Mr. Two-Time and one year over here. I hadn't heard. That was in the same year, wasn't it? Yeah.

Unbelievable. Shit's changed. It's okay if it changes, man, but that's an accomplishment that has anyone won both of those in the same year? Yeah, that Ryan Moore had him a little run. He was pretty good. Wait till we get on this buffo. Yeah, yeah.

We're going to be back. when it ships. But for you, like your golf journey is really interesting. You were stud in college at Clemson. I got out on tour and immediately had success. But I want to talk a little about your golf swing because your dad kind of helped you develop it called the swing surgeon. Yeah, my dad, yeah.

But tell us about this because it's unique. Yeah. Well, my dad believed in the idea of, you know, he used to tell his students all the time. He's like, is there a perfect golf swing? And everyone's answer was always kind of 50%. I think so or no? And my dad always said, well, there is. But it's, you know, us as human beings with the way that our bodies are built, we can't do it.

And he always said, you know, a perfect golf swing is a ferris wheel because the club would start square at the bottom. It would come up. And then it would come back down. And the golf club never rotates because it's just going perfectly vertical, right? It's a 360 degree circle. But, of course, we have to swing on a plane because of just the way our bodies are built and the way the golf club is, you know, we literally cannot swing that way.

We physically can't do it. So my dad's teaching philosophy was always based on, you know, shouldn't we try to get as close to that as possible? So he didn't believe in the 90, 100, 110 degree shoulder turn. My dad believed in a swing philosophy that he called a little bit of turn and a lot of lift. And he said, you know, you want to keep the golf club out in front of you because if it's in front of you and it doesn't get behind you because also when you talk about the laws of motion and everything else, it's, you know, for every action there has to be an equal and opposite

reaction. So if I'm back here, I certainly have to come back this way to get it to the ball. If you swing behind yourself, you can't just drop the. club straight down. You hit yourself in the hip or the butt or whatever it is. So my dad believed that you need to swing the club in front of you, which is a limited turn and a lot of lifts. So certainly my golf swing looked a little awkward. I was kind of like, you know, a little bit more awkward looking, I don't know, but like a John Cook or even like a Jeff Slooman. You know, those guys had kind of short, fairly vertical looking golf swings, very simple looking golf swings and, you know,

less than 90 degree turn. And when you think about it, I mean, as a kid, I used to probably turn. 90 degrees because I was so flexible. But then as my dad kind of refined my swing, it got less and less as I was able to kind of, you know, grow into my body and get a little bit more control over what was happening. But, you know, ultimately, he wanted that that philosophy. And he believed that simple was better. He always said, the less angles we create, the less problems we have to deal with. You know, it's the less angles, the better. And golf is certainly a game of angles. I mean, if you're swinging that golf club all over the place, trying to deliver it back to the golf ball square, it just makes it more challenging.

I don't care who you are. And I think people get lost in the idea of tour players, but they also don't remember this amazing fact that, one, these guys are gifted from God, like they are extremely talented, and two, they've taken that gift, and they work their ever-living asses off, and they practice, practice, practice, practice, reps, reps, reps.

And it's like, man, if you're the guy who plays, whatever, let's just call it once or once a week, twice a week, have it once a month, and you expect to go out and swing that thing all over the place and play good golf, it's going to be pretty tough, man. Like, you need to simplify. You need to try and make things as simple as possible if you want to try and create the consistency to play, well, quite frankly, the best golf you're capable of.

So you can't look at a tour player who somehow found success with some very interesting or awkward looking swing and think, yeah, I want to do that. Look at how, you know, he makes that look so easy. Well, I assure you, it wasn't easy. He had to do a lot of work in. I mean, you know it. You've been there. You've played enough golf.

You know it. I mean, we can all sit here. And if you're being honest with yourself, it's like, these guys are exceptional. That's why they're on tour. You know, the average golfer, he's to try and simplify a little bit more. The fairest was that kind of like, I'm trying to think of guys right now that kind of do that. Like, Bryson, a little, like with his upright clubs and things like, there's some parallels, I guess, and that golf swing to what your dad taught you, right? Like, he's got, what are those four or five degrees upright? Like, it's crazy. Just feels like the hosel sits on the ground. And he tries to eliminate all those ankles, I guess, minus the turn, obviously.

Right. He does turn a lot. But, yeah, I mean, when you look at things like that, And, of course, he's kind of one of those, I mean, he's a very scientific guy, right? Like, he's thinking a lot like my dad thought about the golf swing. He's looking at things from like a scientific perspective, a Newtonian perspective. You know what I mean? It's like, what are the angles that create things? And then there's your field players. You know, there's a lot of guys who'll tell you, I mean, a perfect example.

He's actually quite vertical is above a Watson. But he'll tell you he never, he's never looked at his golf swing. The only time he's ever seen it is, I'm sure, when he happened to watch replays of himself on TV. You know, but he's, according to him, I think he's. He said he's never even looked on it on like a driving range and had his swing videoed. He just doesn't have any interest. He's such a feel player. And again, that's going less and less nowadays with all the technology and everybody's so

obsessed with, you know, these unbelievable apps where you can like see every angle. And now you can put these electrodes on yourself and they can put your turn your swing into like some 4D video game. And so needless to say, we're in it, we're in an era where players can examine their swings more than ever. But yes, I mean, in essence, Bryson is doing that. he does turn a lot. But, you know, Bryson's trying to accomplish something that, you know, again, he's all about hitting the thing as far as he can. And at some point, you do need to crank that thing up. You know, I mean, I'm not trying to hit at 350. You know, I can be honest with you right now. Where I've struggled is through my injuries and things like that, and I just

haven't been able to get my feel back where I'm hitting the ball consistently well enough. But I've always said, if I can get that feel back in my game with that confidence, anybody can compete. You don't have to hit it 350 to compete. You just got to, you got to hit it straight still. I don't care what anybody says. Yeah, it definitely helps. Yeah, and that's like Bryson eliminating variables, same length clubs with everything and all that. There's some parallels there. But speaking to your game, like what's your schedule like right now?

You got to play once, I think, in the fall, right? What do you look like going forward? And where's your desire to play golf right now? You know, I still love golf, obviously. It's given me so much in my life. It's giving me the good and it's giving me the bad. Obviously, I think part of my struggles came from just over identifying myself, with this need for, you know, the money, the success.

And it was like I was this ego-driven animal of just chasing this stuff down. And I think that's where my darkness kind of came in for me is because I just finally came to a point where I didn't identify with it. But it doesn't make me love the game any less. I'd love to go out and compete, but I'm a different person now on the golf course. And I mean, my troubles and my trials and my tribulations, if you will, with the game have certainly, you know, helped that evolution in the course of things. but, you know, I'd love to still compete. I love the game. I mean, geez, you wake up every day and you go, man, if I can go play golf and do it well,

I can do really well for my family and take care of things. But, you know, I also am at a point now where I'm somewhat surrendered to the reality of just going, I want to just be living in the moment. I don't want to be, you know, live in that pipe dream or whatever. I mean, you have to be honest with yourself. So I'm going to do what comes to me in each moment now. If something else presented itself to me and I felt like it was, if it felt right to me, then I would leave the game.

You know, I don't think that my life is defined by golf and no one should. No one should ever think their life is defined by what they do. I think the most important thing is finding some sort of peace and happiness and contentment in whatever it is that you're doing. And if you find that in your life, because I just think a lot of times, I know I did. I mean, I just was so just, I don't know, one dimensional in my, in my, thought that I didn't even give myself the opportunity to enjoy it in the right way even when I was playing my best golf. It was like I was this beast and just chasing this, this, this never-ending

you know, there was always the next thing too, yeah, yeah, no matter what. Yeah, I mean, I remember winning the Bob Hope in 2008 and, you know, had a party that night and celebrated and then it was like, it was over. And I'm like, isn't that supposed to be, feel different than that? And it just, again, those were like little things like that and I was like is when is enough enough or when is you know and I just couldn't wrap my head around it anymore in the way that I was like living my life and doing these things and I'm sure that's probably I mean my physical injuries is where kind of everything started going downhill for me but you know I always tell people I'm like you know God works in whatever way God needs to work in your life and for me it maybe it was the physical injuries

and then these lingering thoughts and and I just got to a place where I was like what in the heck does all this even mean anymore and it was weird because it's such a weird feeling because I thought I knew exactly what I wanted and then I was like man I'm just like living this delusional like craziness like there's there's got to be more to life than just chasing all them than chasing money and and buying the next house or the next car or the boat or whatever the hell it is I was doing at the time and it's just like it's like pouring all my energy into these things that are just here and then they're gone just like you know kind of anyways it's it's trophy I I know, man, I know it's like crazy deep, but like once I started to do that, like going within myself and I'm just like, man, this stuff doesn't make you happy.

You know, happiness comes from way more important things than, you know, all that crap. But anyways, it was, you know, I would never change my journey for a second. I mean, it's been an unbelievable, I've lived a very blessed and unbelievable life and I'm grateful for where I am now. So that's all my course. Yeah, you're obviously in a great place. And, you know, you did play some pretty damn good golf throughout your career. Occasionally. If you can recall, yeah.

Yeah, obviously we were a beast in college, part of that 2003 Clemson NCAA championship team. But you also won the Publinks, which got you into the Masters. See? Take us through what you remember about that week. You had quite the pairing. I did. I told you a little while ago. When I got there, it's really, I don't know how they did it with you, but it was really.

I don't know. I skipped it. Oh, well. So I have no idea. Some of us. You didn't ask them about it, though, so that's good. Well, you know, I'm just one of these people that I'm like, wow, invite to the masters. but I mean, I wasn't as good as you cult, so I decided to play the Masters.

But, you know, for me, it's like when I got there, you know, they kind of, I kept hearing through the grapevine that you could maybe like make a hint of who you'd like to play with. And, of course, as long as it wasn't, if you're the U.S. Amateur champion, you certainly know who you're, you're going to be playing with the defending champion. But, you know, as the Publinks champion or the British Amateur champion or the U.S. midam champion, and I was like, well, I was like, man, I just always liked the way Freddie played golf, you know, so just looks so loose and effortless. Underneath all that, you just knew there was a guy that just wanted to, you know, obviously he was a competitor.

He wanted to win and he was a great champion. So I'm like, I was admired that about Fred couples. And so I let it be known that I'd like to get paired with them. And sure enough, when the pairings came out, I had Fred and then Stuart Appleby. And I know you know Stuart. And do you know Stuart at all? I know Stuart. Oh, I'm sorry.

No. Appleby? You don't know you have a really great guy. I mean, so laid back, easygoing. And so it was an amazing pairing because Freddie obviously has that demeanor. And Stewart, even though he was a dogged competitor, he was extremely gracious in that pairing. And, you know, I know for sure as a seasoned veteran, like those guys kind of were. I mean, I know it was only 2001.

But they had both had plenty of experience. And I'm sure when the pairings come out and you see you're kind of playing with an amateur, you know, it's not your normal situation. And it is a major. And I don't know if guys would kind of be like, ah, dagone it. You know, I got a pair with an am. But, you know, those guys were amazing. and it just, you could tell that they had a lot of appreciation for the game and where they were,

and they held incredible space for me. I mean, they made it a true pleasure to play. And then I banged out a 78, 75. Hello. St. Hart, suck on that, boys. Yeah, how about it that, boys? And then I packed up my bags and went home back to Clemson on Saturday. Make your money while you can.

Daddy's coming. That's right. I'm winning more of that in the tank. Yep, I got my butt kicked in two days at the Masters, but I had a hell of a good time. It was the best 78, 75. Yeah, for sure. Did you play any practice rounds with anybody cool? You know, I played the par three, Driscoll, the legend himself.

The Drizz, me and James Driscoll, we pegged it in the par three with the king, which was Did you really? That's a good, that's a nice week regardless of the scores. Yes, my week was incredible. Practice rounds were great to. Oh, my goodness, looking back, who did I play with it? Who cares? You got Arnold Palmer.

Yeah, you know, that's literally 20. over 20 years ago and my memories are you know playing with freddie and stewart and those guys being so gracious and and and then obviously you know mr palmer was uh he's mr palmer i mean the guy just literally one of one well he'd do that's it i mean we're all one of one but he's like he's he's obviously the man was exceptional and he was a true pleasure to play nine holes of par three golf that's so cool and you turned pro to what 2003 i believe yeah right right coming in i mean that's like peak tiger like it was doing it what you give me your first time do you you saw tiger woods hit a golf ball or what you thought the first time teeing it up against them like first impression well

i was playing on those uh sponsor invites obviously that summer and and you know tiger being tiger obviously he was playing what many would consider to be a limited schedule because he played 16 maybe 18 tops a year obviously even in his peak and rightfully so i mean he you know when you're freaking winning 50 you're saying the time, who needs to play a lot of golf? You're just cherry-picking and doing what you do as the number one guy. But I didn't really get to see him because, again, through that summer golf, you're talking the majors and then those like kind of WGCs or even back in those days. So the tournaments I was playing were, you know, right out of the gate,

I played D.C. at Avanelle and then I got into like Connecticut. So I'm playing in not necessarily off weeks, but just not the particular weeks that Tiger Woods was playing. So I didn't really get to run into Tiger much there in the beginning of my career. and then I went to Q school and missed my card by a couple of year on the nationwide, and then my rookie year being 05. And now looking back, again, almost 20 years ago, I can't even remember the first time I saw Tiger because the first time I saw Tiger, was on TV when he was an 18-year-old whipping everybody's ass in the U.S. Am.

You know, I mean, Tiger Woods' life has been documented as it should have been. I mean, obviously there's the argument who's the greatest, but, you know, who cares? between him and Jack, we've been blessed to see two incredible, unbelievable careers. So, yeah, I mean, for me, it's almost like, I don't want to say you're numb to, like, seeing him in person for the first time. And when you see him on TV, as much as you did, you're just, I mean, it's like, you're kind of like, oh, there's Tiger. You know, and I mean, we didn't coincide in college at all because he is five years older than I am. But, yeah, I mean, it was obviously, I'm sure the first time I saw him, I was like, yeah, that guy. That's what it looks like.

Yeah, that's what it looks like. Yeah, really better than everyone. Did you get paired with them at all? Yeah, I played with him at the memorial. And what a treat. It was, you know, there was rain delays that year. And we played together on Sunday with Jason Gore. So obviously, he and Jason are very good friends.

Grew up together in California, playing a lot of golf together. And so it was kind of fun because it was a good dynamic. And we were kind of middle of the pack. I want to say we started the Sundays round, like, probably 20-something, 20, more between 20th or 25th. And I tell people, I'm like, That's, until you played with Tiger when he was peak, and I was still playing in it, that year was, oh my gosh, maybe 08, 07, 08, 09 somewhere in there.

I can't even remember the exact year. But, you know, when you play with him, you're like, oh, oh, okay, now I get it. You know, he shot 67 that day. And I pulled my T shot in the water on 18 to make dub. And I think I shot like one over. And I got done and I was like, damn, I kind of thought I hung with that guy all right today. but he beat my ass by six shots. It was amazing.

You mentioned playing with him and all the stuff that goes on with it. This past week was my first week ever being with him. I covered his group for three days. And the amount of people and the shit that goes on in between holes just lining the walkways to get hold to hole. Like there's nothing like it.

You can be paired with anybody else. The two, three next biggest superstars, it's nothing compared to what Tiger Woods goes through each week. Oh, gosh. I still remember it. I can't remember if we were coming down the first or the second. hole and I thought to myself I'm like wow this guy deals with this every week this dude just

starts yelling at the top of his lungs and he's like tiger I mean I don't even want to yell to the mic because I'm scared people will have to like turn this off and he's yelling it's so loud and he's screaming and all I'm thinking is I'm like bro you were legit gonna have an aneurism and just drop dead over there I mean he's like not even taking breathe he's not breathing he's tiger tiger he's yelling it and I'm like holy shit and and of course you saw it this weekend And it's, you know, again, it's, it's beyond fanatical in certain ways, but it's, it's really remarkable. It was remarkable to see. I mean, people obviously love the guy and he's, he's an amazing champion.

So he's done so much for the game. It's been that way every time he's teed up for the past 25 years. And it doesn't turn off. Like, that's inside the ropes. Once he's done, it's like, though the line of people trying to get signatures and autograph, oh, just to get to the car, just to do little basic shit that everyone takes for granted. It's like, it's not the same for him, dude. He started the whole detail.

On Saturday, he started on 10 at RIV. we get to 18. He's in 41st place and the hill look like a Sunday afternoon for the final group. Yeah. I'm just like,

this is so cool. Yeah. And it's just, he can't win the golf tournament and still he has the biggest gallery by far. Yeah. And you had John Rom and Max Homer

in the last group. Right. And I mean, that's not going to, that's certainly only going to, in my opinion, be enhanced. I mean,

we all, obviously with Tiger's life being so public and bless his heart, he hasn't really gotten to experience, you know, the kind of privacy that most people would enjoy to have. You know, you can tell the man, you know, he's gone through his physical problems.

And, you know, we all have to sit back and just go, wow, let's, let's enjoy when we do get to see him. And anyone who's hopeful that they're going to be seeing Tiger on the reg is just an absolute pipe dream because, you know, that body is, is where it's at. And, you know, if anyone's capable of winning at the, at our level with the condition of their, we all know it's Tiger. I mean, his talent is unprecedented. And he's proved it in 19 when he won the, you know, that masters. I mean, that was truly remarkable, truly remarkable. And I'm sure he would be willing to say the same thing. But again, it's like if his body holds up and he can compete, we all know we can do it. But now the question is, can he do it? That's what I think like a lot of people on social media, like Tiger played. He hadn't hardly played at all. And we covered pretty much every single

shot of it. People on Twitter. Why are you showing him? He's the 40th. He's, he's 40th in the tournament right now. He can't win all this. I'm like, this might be the last round we ever see him play. Sure. Like, we're going to show it. That's the reality. Every time he teased it up, could be the last time. Yeah. Like that's, it sucks, but that's real,

well, you know, it's kind of great to hear the, to hear and feel that vulnerability. I mean, even top players, no one likes to admit it, but I mean,

any swing could be your last, any tournament could be your last. I mean, I haven't watched that, live documentary thing that's like a two-part series yet or not, you know, or whatever they just came out with.

The Netflix full swing. The Netflix full swing. I haven't had a chance to watch it yet, but it was popped up on the preview the other night when we were sitting at the house. And I noticed the one thing that really resonated with me was in that preview when Justin Thomas was like, you know, I might win 50 more times. I may never win again.

You know, that's just the way golf is. And it truly is. And I mean, when someone with a talent of a Justin Thomas, you know, I don't, I mean, again, our mind is a very powerful thing. So I do, I'm pretty sure Justin Thomas believes he's going to win again. But if you really look at the reality of it, I mean, an injury could sidetrack your career and end it, whatever it is. I mean, you know, it's, it's, what I heard in that moment was cherish it. And I can tell people the same thing, cherish it. I mean, I got injured and then I went through other things and and when you see things kind of not necessarily slipping away but just kind of like wow okay my reality's changing here it's uh you know everything in life change is inevitable how you change

who knows you know but i mean when you looked at a 21 year old tiger and you saw this athlete that just looked like you know you could shoot them with you know i don't know men missiles and they just bounce off of them and now you know you see a man that's just looks i mean i'm sorry to say it but he looks broken and he is i mean the leg the back the hip the knee i mean everything that he's gone through and it's like change is inevitable and and how it's going to happen to each of us is you know we don't know moment to moment so you know i really appreciated justin saying that just because i i feel you man you know i mean and he's just relating to golf i mean let's talk about any other aspects of life like it's just going to happen that's just the way life is so it's uh you know and to see like you said

what do you mean you're upset about tiger wait why are we showing tiger because damn dude this is one the greatest players if not the greatest. There's no ROM. There's no justice. All these other dudes you want to see, they don't exist. They might not even be playing golf. Yes. They might not even be on TV.

This man changed the game. And more importantly, he was our greatest champion, one of the two greatest. I swear, I mean, like I said, there's an argument for both. I just think the easiest way to say it is, Jack Nicholas has the greatest golf resume. Tiger's the greatest golfer we've ever seen. I like that. I like that. I mean, he did things no one else could do.

It's just, it's very simple. It really is. And he missed such a huge chunk of his career. due to injury. It's like, you can't really, like, Jack had so many more cracks. Very true. So it's like,

you want to dive into it? Let's go, man. Let's go to the juice. I know nothing about what we're about to talk about. The most I've heard about it is what you told me on the phone the other day and what I read from Dan Rapoport's article with Morgan Hoffman down in Costa Rica, which is actually, you ran into Morgan, I believe, as you were leaving. I was there the week before Morgan was there in 2019.

And I say there's been a few times in my life when I've just been like, oh shit, surprised. I mean, to be in the middle of Costa Rica after just sitting and drinking ayahuasca for four nights and I'm literally sitting there and I'm going through my process after the fact and in walks Morgan Hoffman and I'm like, I mean, no offense to Morgan, but he would have been the one of the last people I would have assumed would be drinking ayahuasca. He was like, I just figured he was like this every time I looked at him and I was like, this guy is straight by the book. He's just like not a hair at a place. And I'm like, and I appreciated that so much because whatever, you know, he was, I I think, to my knowledge, he found his way of the medicine, you know, trying to heal himself physically, but it's, you know, muscular dystrophy.

And, and, and, and, and, um, and, and, um, and, and, um, and, and, um, and, and, and, um, you know, I can understand and, and, and I, but I, I'm sure he got so much more from that medicine than, then, then, then, than, than, than, than, than, than, I was completely surprised. And, and, and it was just one of those, like, holy crap. moments in my life. Did you talk to him? Yeah, we had a little conversation. He had just gotten married, and he was there with his wife, and he was going on a medicine journey. I believe he was doing Rhythmia that week, and then he told me, I think they were staying another week or two. He stayed like a year. I think he's opened his own, hasn't he? Yeah, yeah. I mean, at the time, but that just, I try to tell people, I'm like, you know, these are not drugs. This is truly medicine. People have been sitting with this medicine for thousands of years, and a lot of these other plant medicines for thousands of years and they've guided them into these places of of discovering themselves like

i really felt like i was losing touch with my soul like i just felt empty and i wasn't you know i was telling you earlier i was like the irony of like we don't ever know what people are going through and for years you know you and i would get on the pGA tour player app and you get on there and it's like oh i want to go to commit to a tournament or whatever i just need whatever random crap you need to look at and they've got our little portal app now you get on there and the first thing it says on the top of it is mental wellness. And I'm like, hmm, that's very, very interesting to me that now and now in this day and age, and of course, I don't know if that's because of all the trauma from COVID or whatever

you want to call it. But all of a sudden, now there's this massive little thing that you can click on on the top of there to go and I don't know, I haven't clicked on it because I thought, quite frankly, I don't think I need a therapist. I mean, this plant medicine stuff's pretty great. It truly is. And I don't, I'm not knocking therapist, but I read a lot of self-help books and did all that stuff before I found my way to plant medicine and nothing has helped me. And I read a lot of

books because I was searching. I was lost and I was searching. And it's just one of those things where for me, I'm like, there's proof in the pudding. Like no one is exempt from pain and suffering. Everyone experiences it. If you're living life, you know, to be in denial of that is just a lie you're telling yourself. And I tried to tell myself that lie for a long time, meaning I pushed it down and I wasn't being honest with myself. And more importantly, I just wasn't allowing myself to be vulnerable. What I discovered most through my journey to this point is like the vulnerability that I was not willing to have for myself. You know, as a man, I feel like so many men are like, I need to be there. I need to be strong. If I, if I show this vulnerability, you know, it makes me look weak or I'm weak and I'm insufficient.

And that means I can't handle my shit. And it's, it's actually to me, it's the exact opposite. it. It takes real strength and real power to admit you're vulnerable and then to open yourself up. Because one thing I've also learned is I was kind of on this like one way path and I was very focused on just me. And it doesn't mean that I didn't care about my friends and I didn't enjoy my friends in my life. But ultimately I was just like walking this narrow, narrow path. And it was just like, all right, I'm doing my thing. And, you know, if I need to, you know, whatever, attend a few little things outside, but it was very selfish. And I do believe, honestly, that for greatness to happen, you do have to have a little bit of that selfishness. I don't think the Tiger Woods or the

greats could do what they did if they didn't go into their own little bubble. But, you know, and they weren't able to be in that element, right? But at the same time, it taught me so much about compassion and caring for others. And I remember, I mean, I used to look at people and it was like, if I had a reason to be like, man, look at that guy right there. He looks pitiful. You know, now I don't, I don't see it that way at all. I look at people and I'm like, man, I finally looked at myself and I saw my pain and I saw my, you know, all of my, I don't even know if I want to call him demons, but just my darkness, right, my shadows. And when you stare and you actually look into your shadows of yourself, and I call it like

the lower self, higher self, you know, all these things that are just kind of compressing you I mean, keeping you down. And ayahuasca, what it did, and Bufo, and Iboga, and, and, and, dude, I promise you, I can go on and on with the medicines that I sat with. Keep it up in life, talking, yeah. The names that him getting screwed. Well, Wachuma, San Pedro, and then, and then psilocybin. And, you know, it's funny to me because, again, for the longest time, when I, when my ego was not allowing these changes for me, I remember growing up and thinking, you hippies that are eating mushrooms and a bunch of stoners, and even though we were smoking,

pot, but I looked at somebody that was, you know, chowing down on mushrooms and thought they were, you know, thought they were just some, you know, offer some magic carpet ride. And now I understand that it is, it is amazing what these medicines, they're not drugs, they're medicines. And I mean, I don't know, I can't speak for Morgan, but I can speak for myself. It changed my life. And I mean, the amount of like compassion and love and sympathy that I just have for being human in general is is amplified times a million billion, whatever you want to call it. And it's allowed me to live my life more with acceptance

and more importantly to accept everyone around me for who they are. Because I understand that like yesterday, I'm only on Instagram, but I love the little things that just kind of resonate and it was talking about like the butterfly effect. And it's like, you know, if you just put that little ripple out there,

you don't know how it might truly positively affect someone. But if you, you know, you can also have a negative ripple, meaning if you choose in a moment to to not be loving and not be encouraging or compassionate to someone, man, that can really, you don't know, but it could really deeply hurt someone or affect someone. And I know that I've hurt plenty of people in my life because of where I was and because of my selfishness and because of just where I was in my life. And now it's like, you know, I'm like, I'm more interested in the peace and the quiet and the and the and the finding that happiness which I just like I said man I just don't look I don't even

care about money anymore I truly don't I'm like fuck money it doesn't buy happiness it doesn't make anything great and it's like people out there that want to be like what do you mean I mean like you work your ass off to make all this money and I'm like well I mean you know there's a seven-time Super Bowl champion that most people thought had the hottest wife in the world and they just got divorced so you mean to tell me that there's not he's not dealing with They weren't dealing with life. Like happiness is like, what is it? Like, I mean, to try and define it,

it's for each person to work on and find for themselves. And that's where my compassion comes in because I'm like, your journey and your journey and my journey all look different. You know, we all grew up in a different household and, you know, we all grew up with whatever belief system that we grew up in. So it's, you know, your journey is sovereign,

your journey and my journey, they're all sovereign. Like, holding space for someone is just being there and saying, no matter what your life looks like, I'm okay with it. And if you feel like there's anything I can do for you, then I would try my best to do it, right? If I can't, then I can't.

And that's just the way it goes. That's why life is like crazy like that. But the medicine gave me a space where I could finally see these things. And I was like not shameful. It helped me to deal with like the shame and the guilt and all these other things in my life that just kind of made me feel like crap, dude.

This is the deepest shit I've ever heard. I have so many questions. I have a million. Okay, well, this is going to be stupid, but I just want to get it out there because the only first time I ever heard of ayahuasca was when Aaron Rogers came out and said it. So I still don't know what the hell it is.

Iawasca is a plant, it's a vine, and again, it's a medicine, and they brew it, and it's from down in South America. I mean, it's native to the Amazon. You drink it. Yeah, you drink it. Like how much? Well, it's, it tastes awful.

That's what I've recognized. It does. And I tell people, what's the other thing I've learned about plant medicine is that, you know, if it was eating like eating your beautiful double dutch chocolate, you know, birthday cake, I'm sure many people would line up to do it. I mean, it is an act of surrender because you're having to check your ego at the door and then trust that what this medicine is going to give me is for, I mean, it's fear. You're facing your fear because you're going into this unknown territory. I mean, I can't recognize. it to the related like but I specifically remember how excited I was to drive a car the first time I went and got my learners permit and my dad was super cool and he's like all right man you can drive home and I'm like for real we hadn't even really done any driving practice and my dad was like all right take it on the highway I was nervous as shit I was so scared but yet I made it home and and even though I was 10 and two and I was so worried but my dad had enough faith in me and trusted me enough and I don't know maybe because I drove golf carts as a kid growing up so he just

figured I'd get the car thing figured out. But we drove, it was 15, 20 minutes from the driver's place to the house. I mean, it was a solid drive on the highway. And my dad just let me take the wheel. And, I mean, one, it took faith from him, but two, I mean, I had to face that fear in that moment too. And I could have just been like, no, dad, I don't think it's a good idea. I don't want to do this. I mean, that's a perfect example for me because I was.

I was scared to death. I was like, damn, what if I wreck? And I remember when I had that first cup of ayahuasca in my hand, I was like, what in the hell am I doing? But I knew I needed to. And so I just overcame that fear and I drank it. And I mean, don't get me wrong. It's not like you drink it and it's like boom off into the astrales or anything. I mean, these medicines are truly, I know this sounds, I don't know how it sounds, but they're divine.

Like they give you what you need. And, you know, it's not like drinking beer and getting drunk and you're like, okay, I'm drunk. I mean, every single person that sits with that medicine, it's giving them an individual experience for themselves because it's working with your subconscious mind. and it's taking you into your shadows, and it's showing you what you need to help you heal. So what happened? I got it. So you drink the ayahuasca, you chug it, whatever you do.

It's in your system. From what you can recall, take us through, all right, this is when it starts to kick in, this is what happens, is how long it lasts, like your experience for what you can tell us, like what happens? All of a sudden you come out the other side, like a different enlightened person. Yeah. What is it?

We're in an I walk. We just took it. Yeah, yeah. So typically it takes. a little while I mean you drink that first cup and you go down and you sit down and you and you kind of lack of a better term they want you to almost kind of meditate you know you just want to sit there and be at peace it's very quiet and then again things start happening whether people are seeing things you have the purging with ayahuasca so you

vomit and you and you poop and all these things and I know man right it's like you can laugh about it but it's like hey man if it's if it's time to get rid of the shit that's holding us down and you know it's like I said it's not eating birthday cakes and and having a good old time. So it's, again, it's, you know, it's a process of surrender, and you know that it's going to take you through these things. But, I mean, there's people, I mean, the weird thing is, is ayahuasca's actually been very gentle with me up to this point.

And I guess I've probably sat in 16 or 18 ceremonies now. I mean, but it's, yeah, I know. I guess I'm one of those people who, you know, when Pandora's box gets opened and I'm in something as amazing as that it comes into my life. I'm like, no, there's no turn. back because work is never done you know i mean like for instance you know john rome won that golf tournament yesterday he's not just going to go put the clubs up and tell the masters right i mean he's going to be working on that game and and the same thing is life when you're doing this work to

overcome our our traumas our shadows the things that we you know i say it's those things that we bury deep within us and sometimes we're very aware of it and sometimes we're not and what ayahuasca and some of these medicines really do is they kind of bring into your awareness a lot of lot of things that you had pushed so far deep down inside you that you're you just you don't even really remember them so they help you remember and one of the big things that they have at rhythmia there they talk about reemerging with your soul and you know i i it's just it's it's it's it's it's it's really hard to describe because for me it's more of an energy because again some people experience like surgeries like celestial they call them like celestial surgeries where like these aliens come in and

they and they do this and again that's like the psychedelic of it but it's it's like a it's like a spiritual experience though it's not just like you know magic carpet rides with pink elephants and things like that i mean this is like you you i tell people i can describe it to you all you all i want but you truly have to experience this to have a a real understanding of it but i've seen what these medicines can do and i mean some of the stories i could tell you it's pretty pretty unbelievable but didn't morgan come out of his thing like what his experience was like i I felt like I was like when he was vomiting and doing it. I was like that was the sickness like leaving my body and all this type of stuff.

So like when you wake up from it, how long is it last? You know, the ceremony will go all night. And again, they'll offer other, they'll offer you to come up and drink more medicine. So, you know, depending on who's running the ceremony and how they run it, but most typically, you know, you'll start right after dark. And some shamans will, you know, the, the, the Colombians drink all night. And they serve Yahweh, which is their medicine. And then certain other cultures, they may go from like till one or two in the morning. I mean, it really just depends on who's facilitating the ceremony, what, you know, what

sham, what their, what their traditions are. But it's a nighttime ceremony. And, and, and, yeah, and I mean, you can see, I mean, I've heard people screaming. I mean, just, you know, and you know that something is, they're screaming because they're purging. They're letting go of something. And, and again, it goes back to what I was talking about with that vulnerability. And it's like, what we do is we hold on.

I was holding on so tightly to my, to my, to all my, shit and you know and on the outside I'm sure my friends thought I was fine and even my family and but inside like I said it was like there was this emptiness and and I just felt like I was just disconnected from everything I didn't I couldn't I couldn't find anything that that that that that that fent you know that felt meaningful anymore and it was because I had that shame and that guilt and it was showing up in my life man I mean my relationships with girls terrible you know cheating on on my girlfriends and and and yet then turning around and telling him I love them and it's just like I mean I was so damaged and so wounded and it's like if you can't come to this place where and it's like it's like the contrast builds you know like for me it just kept building and it was like boom boom boom boom and then I had that conversation with Taylor at the barbassol and at that point I mean I wasn't at rock bottom but when he told me about ayahuasca I was just like wow that sounds amazing I was like and and it for me it I don't know it just resonated with me and again like like

people that are watching this some people will be like oh that sounds interesting and other people be like that sounds like the dumbest shit i've ever heard my life if it's for you it's for you i always say the medicine when the medicine calls you go i just that's the other thing i've learned i mean like i have to share this because it was it was so meaningful to me i had two friends come out this past week and we sat with with um with a with with the toad medicine and and and it was it was such an amazing experience for me to be there and hold space for them because I know what that medicine has given me and they were in a really tough spot in their lives and and they had to surrender to that vulnerability that I'm talking about and my one

buddy said he goes I don't know what to do he goes I I've tried everything I don't know what to do and I said well if you trust me I would love for you to come out here and sit with this medicine and he did and he trusted me and when he left after doing that medicine you know I received a really good text and from from one of my buddies saying you know basically lack of a better term thank you and the other one called me and the the the joy that I felt in in his voice and just in his demeanor you know it changed it's changed his life and he's just I mean this was the first medicine he'd ever sat with and all these things and these medicines are for real man and again you know you know my buddy he was taking the antidepressants and doing this and doing that all the normal regimen right

like, oh, you're not doing well. Here, take this pill. Here, take that, do that. You know, when he was drinking too much and smoking weed. And it was like he was numbing, right? Numbing, numbing, numbing, and I've been there. I did it, man. I smoked the weed.

I drank the booze. I, you know, I chased the girls. I mean, it was like all I was doing was just trying to turn down this, this, you know, volume of this thing inside of me, trying to call me back to, you know, get my shit together. And I understood where he was at. And so, you know, and I think everyone's there. I'm sorry, but if you're living life and you're trying to say that you haven't experienced pain or suffering in some way.

Of course not, yeah. Yeah, man, you're lying your ass off. Let me ask you, like, so what's a daily routine now for you? Because you say, sit with these medicines. Is it like, is it every day? No, no, no, you sit with them when you're called to sit with them. I don't sit. No, by no means.

I mean, now some people have dedicated their lives to, you know, to these medicines, meaning. But in their case, they're, you know, they're serving medicine. And yeah, they'll sit, they're sitting with it too. but as facilitators or they become shamans. And, you know, that's just their path, right? Like, they're called into these medicines deeply enough that they dedicate their lives to them. But no, I mean, I certainly haven't gone that far. The medicines served their purpose for me.

And it's been great. And I try and tell people, I'm like, you know, I'm sure some people think I'm, you know, crazy as hell. But, and I'm okay with that because I'm, you know, I know how I feel and I'm grateful. And it's made such a huge impact on my life. and quite frankly, it brought me back into this connection with my spirit, with my soul, and I felt lost. And I think that when we truly get lost in life, it's when we get fine, you know,

like we forget who and what we are. And ultimately it's like, yo, man, one day we're going to be gone. And if you have any level of spirituality about you, then you believe in your soul and in the, you know, eternal thing and with God and all that stuff. And these medicines kind of just brought that awareness to me again. And I found this love and reverence for the eternal journey and not just, that's what I mean by like, I quit feeling this need to chase the money or this or that and all these things outside of myself. And I was like, the real stuff is inside of you. And if you can go within and find that peace within, then you realize that all that stuff outside of you, it's just kind of, it's just a distraction.

It's like a delusion, you know, they call it the cosmic drama, you know, and it's, and I mean, really, the happiest things. I mean, all you got to do is go look at the Buddha quotes and all these things. And it's just these simple things when they come across you, these beautiful little snippets of wisdom. And you're like, wow, that sounds pretty simple. But he's not talking about going and partying his ass off and getting drunk and forgetting his problems. No, he's talking about going within and, you know, actually taking a good, you know, loving look at yourself and life in general.

So do you look at yourself like pre-medicine and then like a rebirth and then post? Like you look at DJ Tran 2015, whatever, name the year. You're like, I don't know, like that's a different, that's not the same dude. No, it's not. I mean, I'm, yeah, I mean, I'm evolving, I'm changing and I'm, I'm very proud of that. And I'm not ashamed of who I was by any means. I mean, I don't really feel like I was a bad person. Did I treat some people badly?

Sure. Yeah, I mean, I can honestly, I have to be able to admit that, that when you know that you've made poor decisions with people. And, and all I can do is say, I'm sorry. What can I do? I can't change. It's the past. So right now, it's about what am I doing now and then how am I going to move forward? And if you can't find that kind of forgiveness for yourself, if you keep living with that,

that anger or that shame or that hate, you know, like that doesn't help anybody in any way or form, right? Like, like, I mean, I'm not a parent yet, but we were talking about that before we started. And I do have a baby on the way, but like, I'm sure when our kids mess up, you know, you're like, you know, I'm sure you probably just had that moment. We're like, what are you doing? And then all of a sudden you look at them and you're just full of love again. because you know that's you know that it's just the way it is or when you look someone told me the other day they're like what about when you just look into a baby's eyes and you just see that just

perfect innocent glow in their eye and it just fills you with this unconditional love it's like why can't we look at ourselves that way why we got to beat ourselves up so damn much why because we're grownups what we don't deserve it and I used to feel that way like oh man I mean I made you know doing this and doing that and you know blah blah blah whatever bullshit I was going through in the moment and that's just not the way it is man you know we all need to go back and understand that at our core in our essence it's like we were created with divine love like why are we given ourselves anything less that's just a choice you're making and i was choosing to self-loathing pity party blaming guilt shaming all that crap and now i just see it as now again

when you when you start to heal of course you're putting yourself in less of a position to be in those circumstances because when you heal when these awarenesses are come through you when you're letting of this stuff obviously you're going to change it's going to change how you feel about yourself how you act and and then you know so part of healing isn't like oh let me just keep rinsing and repeating healing is about seeing those things for what they were accepting yourself loving yourself but then if you're truly healing you're you know you're becoming better and and that's what the journey is all about you know it's not about you know how much money can I make and how this that and the other I mean you want to I want I want to excuse me I

I mean, I can only speak for myself, but I want to live my life so that I can feel like, you know, I did, I did souls work. I wasn't just running around, you know, trying to take. Like, I want to be a, I want to be a giver. I want to be of service. You know, I want to be there for people. I want to be there for myself first and foremost, because if you're there for yourself, then you're available to be there for other people.

But like, I want to be there for people. I mean, seriously, I can't even see myself judging anyone anymore because it's like, what the hell is the point? Like, that's what that person, is on their experience on their journey and it's like i don't know shit about where where why that person said that or acted that way because i don't understand anything about their hurt their pain what they've gone through but what i can do is i can hold space and just be like i love you like i love you i love you i do because we're all one i know that that's another one of those things

for people here and they're like oh okay whatever but if you really take a good long look inside of like inside of yourself and like search your soul, no one is any better than anyone else. That's something that I didn't understand a long time ago either. It was I was always trying to be the best. You know, you understand that. As a competitor, you're like, if I'm second, I'm the first loser.

Are you? Are you really? I mean, I get that you want to win, but like you're going to, you know, you're going to hold yourself to that, you know, that standard. Man, things have, yeah, obviously changed, things have changed a lot for you. Yeah, they have, man. You got this buffo on you?

Nope, but, But, you know, it's, it's, honestly, it's my, it's my favorite medicine, but I mean, some of these other ones that I've sat with are extremely powerful. And, I mean, the one that changed my, truly changed my life was Iboga. And it was the scariest thing I've ever experienced in my life. And yet I'm still grateful for it. Damn. So, wow. And it didn't correct me if I'm wrong.

Isn't Morgan Hoffman, doesn't he have like starting to develop muscle again? Like all these American doctors said, nope, it's just, it's going to happen. So, like, we can slow it, but we can't stop it. Now, like, it's like this, reading his story, which is the first, I think a lot of people in golf heard about it. Like, you can just look at the facts, even if you're doubtful of all the other stuff. Like, all right, they told him never going to get well. Nothing could be done.

All this stuff. We don't have the technology of medicine for. And then boom, this happens. And it's like, oh, I'm working. Like, you can be a skeptic all you want. Yeah. And that's the thing. I mean, I've been a skeptic.

We've all been skeptics. And, you know, I truly mean it when I say it. But, I mean, when you take an antidepressant, you're not healing your depression. All you're doing is you're making yourself maybe a little bit more functional because it's numbing. You know what I mean? It's like it's putting a chemical into your brain that's helping you feel less depressed. I mean, you sit with these medicines and when you, when, like, they take you to these places where you can truly like let go.

Healing is letting go where it doesn't have a power over you and control over you anymore. And, and I just, I mean, again, like you name one antidepressant that's doing that. that. I specifically remember last year and I like to tell people stories because I was at the Phoenix Open and I met a guy and we literally were sitting there and we struck up a conversation about psilicide and mushrooms and he happened to have a friend with him who was a former seal and this guy and I got into this conversation about just life and kind of our journey and obviously I was sharing with him some of my medicine journey and you know he had been through all of it man I mean this guy's a navy seal I mean I can't even imagine what this man experienced and and the sacrifices

he made, you know? I mean, that's what those guys do. I mean, they're the baddest, baddest of the baddest dudes, right? Oh, yeah. And they're supposed to be trained to be like, oh, man, you know, you can go through all this crap, but we're going to make you so hard that, you know, you're, you know, mentally you're not, no, that's bullshit too. This man was hurt deeply. I mean, he told me that there were multiple times that he had a gun in his mouth, cocked, and loaded, and he still, to this day, doesn't know how he's standing there. And I'm thinking there, and I'm like, man, I sure am glad you're standing here right now. That's what I told him. I'm like, I'm so glad you're standing here having this conversation.

me. But his big moment of breakthrough came when he sat with psilocybin mushrooms and he sat and he took deep dose, what they call the heroic dose. I mean, he went all the way in. You know, he wasn't just popping a couple shrooms and going to a concert and, you know, trying to have a good time. I mean, he sat with these medicines, with that medicine the way it's supposed to be sat with. And it showed him some dark, dark shit. But at the same time, it took him and it finally facilitated a space. It opened up a space for him. to start to feel like he could heal, truly heal. And this is a man, I mean, he's the toughest son of a gun.

I mean, I know I'm not messing with him. I don't know about either of you, but I'm not messing with him, right? Nobody's messing with this cat, if you know anything about it. And yet he's, you know, in that moment, he was vulnerable to me in the sense that we were sharing this, you know, heartfelt moment about our journeys. And he was even willing to open up with me to that extent because it just, and I felt it. I mean, he started crying. Toughest dude on the planet, right?

And he's crying. And I just was like, I've never felt like more compassion in my life. And I just was so grateful because I'm thinking of myself, those mushrooms might be the reason why this guy's standing. It probably are. I mean, he was in this terrible place. And that's like, dude, like, don't deny that the, I mean, like, you can sit there and you can knock it all you want.

But I promise you, these things are helping people, a lot of people. And that's why Ayahuasca is getting so much traction. People are hearing about it more, more and more and more. But the mental health situation, obviously, no doubt. I mean, it's huge. I don't even know how we do any nine after this. Yeah. Do you want to just skip it?

We have nine questions. There's just, after especially what we just started, is going to be just complete grab-ass, slap-happy. Nothing. Burger questions, but yeah, we might as well fire. That's some of the most deep stuff. That's cool. That's so the most fascinating shit I've heard on this show.

It's so different than this is not just your normal. And I've known you for a long time. Oh, we've partied. I mean, you knew me. Of course. Yeah. We've done a lot of party. to see where you're out right now. That's cool. Yeah. I mean, I just appreciate y'all letting me share

my story because for me, I'm at a point in my life where I mean, I mean, geez, I mean, if I could win the Masters, I'd still be like, oh yeah, that'd be amazing. I'd love to do that. But I just want people to, I want to serve. I want people to know about these things. Like, I mean, these things get out there, just like when the FDA approves some new drug that tells you that's going to help you, you know? I mean, people need to hear about these things. And, you know, one of the things the medicine told me was don't be scared. Speak your truth, you know. and I have been and I was able to help a couple buddies this past week and I'm just not scared to share and and so I appreciate y'all letting me do that course man from a couple people who have done it and like

the more I hear the more I'm like there's some real shit happening with this stuff no doubt thank you for no doubt for doing all that I appreciate it fascinating yeah thank y'all mine might be a few less now yeah I got a couple answers to it might be the E7 or eight yeah that's either way but we ask this to everyone sure and I have a feel I know the answer now but you trade places one person you get to walk in their shoes for a day who would it be dead or alive anyone in history barma hansa yoga nanda see i mean yeah same yeah yeah we get that answer a lot who is that yoga nanda brought um kind of brought well he brought it uh he brought uh he brought uh crea yoga to the west which is this form of spiritual practice uh it's a meditative practice

And it's what, it's kind of another way that I kind of found my way back to God. But this guy was amazing. His book, Autobiography of a Yogi, changed my life. And it's part of, outside of medicine, it has been the biggest thing that has really changed my life. And it's been very recent, actually. This has been within the last six months that this came into my life. But I feel like everything being divinely guided for me as it is for everyone. It just was meant to be.

But it was the book, changed my life. And then it's just been an ongoing adventure from there, but this man was amazing. It was going to be something we didn't know about. And now I know where it came from. I have a feeling no one else ever say that. Yeah. Well, okay. Cool with me.

This will go out as the shittiest follow-up question in the history of interviews. All right, go back in time. You get one Mulligan in your career. Where are you taking it? How about that little deep thinker? Well, I almost won that. Oh, not to bust Tigers bubble, but I almost won that U.S. O.A.

and miss playoff by a shot or two two to tiger and Rocco at one under and I was at one over and it's oh man they're they now I'm have to I would have to pick a shot but let's just put it there way there I had my opportunities coming down the stretch on Sunday and it just wasn't meant to be so I accept that but I would have to think about that so I can't tell you off the cuff right somewhere on that somewhere there's open yeah you were right there I can't remember how you finished on eight what you did on 18 or anything like that but I know you were right there it was a layup I think I made par that pin was obviously in that front right which I thought was wild. I love you got to love the USDA right.

Of course they're going to go exact opposite of what they do at the Tory event and they always have it over their front left in Tori and then they dumped it front right on Sunday in the open so that I thought that was pretty wild. But yeah, I'm pretty sure I made par. I had a birdie putt and I don't think I made it, but I had my opportunities. But again, as we all know, if it was meant to be, it would have happened. You know, it's that simple. But that was an epic week.

I mean, I was playing on Saturday right in front of Tiger when he drains that bomb on the back of 13. Which one? Well, no. 13 was the one, dude. I mean, I'm not kidding you. We're coming off the T on 14. And so we're like, kind of like, you know, 50 yards past the green. And we're a solid 50 yards from the edge of the cliff.

And I'm like, I'm pretty sure this is going to be an earthquake because of this roar. And we're just going to end up down there in the Pacifica. I mean, it was the loud. And I know all tigers roars are loud, but good night, gracious day. This one was like, this one was like, stick your fingers in your ears and just like hold on man it was epic and then you had the chip in 17 17 17 bam in the hole course it goes the put coming down the slope on 18 it's like from the right rough to the right pin right come on I was just like you're you're in the mix and one of the most

iconic finishes in golf history history and that was Saturday that was Saturday when all that happened too right I mean again it doesn't matter but I mean you know as the tournament starting to unfold I mean the weekend is where that magic is happening like damn I tell people all the time like if he hits that put too hard from the back of 13. It could go 100 yards down. I mean, that pin was front right. Balls were just fine in the bottom of the hole that had like no business, one and a million type of shit. For the record. Over and over. It did have some speed on it. Yo. No. No. Oh, yeah. But it was in the middle. It was in the middle. It was in the middle. It could have been hit sandwich for his next time. That's right. That's right.

All right. Other than the majors, favorite stop on the PGA tour. Man, I tell you what. You know, I was always a big fan of Dallas, even though I didn't like the golf course just because we had a good group of guys there. And that was a, was back in my that's when we first met yeah that's right when you were turning pro and obviously you were a Dallas guy and all that and um that was great that was really cool me i remember we played a practice round together but um you know it's uh that was just such a fun event i played like absolute crap there because i just never did like that golf course but it was a fun event and i do i was like charlotte quail hollow i just think that golf course i don't know if i how much i again i'm 50-50

on which way i thought the golf course played better the old way or the or with the redesign but it's still awesome either way. Yeah, it's still, and the golf course is still great and it's an amazing event. Quill Hollow was always a good one. I'll give you one here. Throwback City, 2003, Clemson Tigers, you guys win the national championship at Carston Creek. Do you remember what your team total was? Yeah, 39 over. That's all. Plus 39. And I was looking, that's a little extreme. I'm going to have to agree with you. Yeah, that's when it was just four rounds. So the individual champ was four rounds, team play four rounds. Y'all didn't have a person in the top 10 and you won the championship.

We just had enough consistency. I say we were consistently just good enough, bad enough to win. That's wild. Well, it was one of those things where the golf course was set up so tough that, you know, it was just, it was literally it wasn't golf. It was a survival test. And somehow we survived a little better than everybody else. I mean, there wasn't championship golf played that week.

It was just who survives to win. And that's it. I mean, it took a U.S. open on steroids. You know what I mean? It was just stupid. 10 over as a team per day wins it 100%. So you get to break 75, you're a world perfect.

You count and that helps. This is so hard. Oh, and they had the rough. Just to win. Imagine what took seventh. Yeah, no. We had a good year. We finished fifth.

Yeah, we shot 79 over. I think one of the, I always found coach holder to be a very confident man. And that's, you know, that's a kind way of saying it. But, you know, he was good at what he did. He obviously won national championships. But I specifically remember Larry, my head coach and I sit in in the interview room. they wanted to interview us after one of their rounds, and Holder was ahead of us. And they said, coach, some of the best players in the country aren't breaking 100 out here.

Don't you think this is a little bit much? And he looked, and he just stone cold face looked at the guy and he goes, this is a championship, not a tournament. And I looked at Larry and I was like, are you kidding me right now? And I was like, thank God he said that. I needed a good laugh. That's 40. That's good. Who Kenizarsar's won the indie, right?

Yeah, as a freshman. He was like under. He got 69 the last day. I mean, that's like shooting 59. Bro, he played unbelievable. He was under par for four days. Let me tell you, that's unbelievable. He was one under.

He shot 77 the first day. I remember that. That's a freshie. The guy bawled. That's all there is to it. You got to experience the Masters as an amateur. How many nice did you stay in the crow's nest? And any good stories?

I stayed there the whole week. Wow. Yeah, we had some good stories. A good friend of mine and the girl that I was kind of seen at the time, we all snuck up in there, got behind the, you know, poured a little beverage from the bar. I mean, it was really epic. I mean, we lived it up. And the fact that obviously the tradition of them letting amateurs stay up there,

it is, quite frankly, one of the absolute coolest things you can do. And I'm sure my friend and, well, I don't know if the girl that I was seeing at the time could give a crap, but I know my buddy appreciated it. And it was amazing. And, you know, to have the access to the champion's locker room, which is kind of right there, you know, and then you go up to the crow's nest and everything. It's just, again, I mean, it's the most historical place. that, you know,

that's arguably in the game of life. I mean, I don't know which buddy you're referring to, but that's something every single year. He's sitting around when the Masters comes on. He's like, you're never going to believe this. Yeah. He'll have that forever.

He did my buddy Chase. Yeah, he'll have that forever. And now he's, now he's an orthopedic surgeon and he's fixing people's legs. Have you ever? So actually,

I went and played it for the first time November before last. They took me up there. Have you ever been up there? I was just seen the pictures. And it's like... The size of the studio. Yeah.

And if you catch a guy, because like multiple people stay up there, right like you catch a dude this is a snorer like dude this is the biggest day of my life tomorrow you need to stop that shit stop that shit stop being you put a pillow over the dude yeah exactly you got to stop i'm trying to freaking get a little sleep i can't sleep anyways and you're snoring like it's a crap shoot who you're saying it is it it's almost like going to camp in a way like you feel like you're at at camp and that's kind of the coolest part about it because you're like wow this is augusta and this kind of feels like i'm at like summer camp like the i mean the cubbies are just big enough for the bed to fit in there's just a smite smite

small little side table or whatever you want to call it and it's like bad that's it bed side table i mean it's it's it's it's small and it's but it's amazing yeah so bear man all right my last one here this feels like it's out of your realm now but with your new physique i was going to ask you current or former tour player that you'd least like to see in a bar fight on the other side you don't strike me as with your new enlightenment i don't know that you're not much yeah I'm not much for fighting, but... But you could do some damage if you'd be... It's hard to say, man.

There's been some angry-looking dudes out there over the years. I still say it. He's a big teddy bear, but I ain't never pissing Luke's dog off. I'm not pissing Lucas Glover off. Oh, yeah. Fellow Tiger? Yeah, he's a fellow tiger. But Lucas just, I don't know.

You know how you just sense that someone's got a pit bull underneath that nice exterior. I feel like... Behind all those books and reading. Yeah. You know, and you'd see him. in the morning and he's doing he's like finishing crossword puzzles in like 10 minutes i mean the boy is but he's he's got a brain on top of his head but i feel like if you let the line out of the cage it might get a little might get a little and his hands are about the roughest hand because he

never worn gloves you should get like oh my god and his hands are big so if they hit you he squares up on you but yeah i don't know there's something about luke and we grew up together so maybe it's just the history we have but i've always felt like if lucas ever wanted to let the let the cat out of the cage it might get a little it might get a little interesting you'd have to really do something bad to get Lucas. Oh, agreed. Lucas is an amazing person. Love him to death. He's awesome. All right. Last one. You played on the world amateur team with Ricky Barnes, Hunter Mayhan,

over in Malaysia. Celebration I heard got a little interesting. Speaking of. I just said I'm not a fighter. This was the lead end to this guy. There was a reason. Yeah. Then Ricky and I, I mean, we're sitting there and we're taking this. I mean, this dude's pouring this shot. down this volcano and it's on fire and I mean we're just getting lit and I mean I ain't lying I was

having fun and I mean all of a sudden it you know some shit starts getting talked and I mean you know Ricky and I were I guess feeling good so we ended up not teed up against these dudes but I thought for sure we were about to go smash back was there another team yeah it was just like you can remember what country it was oh you'd have you know what Ricky would know better than I would I mean I was I was lit I was but I knew that it about I knew that it just about went down and and and it was about to get real but somehow it got diffused and but we were we were running hard i mean we were pumped i mean played great that final round to win and and it was just epic i mean we did what we went to do and that was win the thing so but yeah i something some a little chirping was going on and then you know chirps got

a little louder and uh somehow we managed to defuse it rick's big boy too by the rick that's a problem for i don't know who the other team was but i bet they didn't got another dude like that hunter almost passed out at the ceremony yeah and then y'all were having too much fun chirping a little bit and then this entire team wanted to fight y'all yeah yeah yeah it was great yeah well hunter just had heat stroke i mean you know and then and then and then rickie and i were like where's our where's the next drink because we just won malaysia what a place that's a hell's a team too you rick and hunter we had some tough squad to beat yeah we really appreciate you coming in that was cool that's yes it was congratulations on achieving everything you have this is yeah i mean like i said i've

known you for a long time i've never seen you this happy yeah yeah i don't really feel like i'm achieving but i'm just trying to just just do the best i can you know i appreciate Yeah, thanks. Extremely interesting. Thank you. Appreciate y'all. All right. Well, that was DJ Trahan on golf subpar.

A little different episode for us. We've dived into some deep stuff, which, listen, with mental health and everything that's going on, I'm here for it. Yeah, and there's a lot of people explore it. I feel like it's becoming less taboo than it was a while back. More people are starting to experiment with it. More people are starting to have success with it. I mean, Aaron Rogers is about as visible a guy as you can be in the world of sports. He leans into this stuff.

He's not afraid to talk about. It's there's different options for different people and it's cool to like, you know, golfers have similar stories a lot of the time like here's a dude that's completely different and him like opening up about that stuff. I find it really interesting. Whatever he's doing. He's a unit. He's turned into a truck by the way. Go back and look at DJ Tran Clemson or rookie year and then look at him now. Different dude. Whatever he's doing. Yeah, I need to get on that same routine. Drive for show and bet for dough this golf season on Fandle. Right now new customers can get a no sweat bet up to. to $1,000 back in bonus bets to tee off PGA Tour season. All right, let's get some fun ones going. Okay, we got top 10 bets. We got, you know, low American, low Englishmen, all those kinds of things.

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Different field. A little letdown after the last two weeks. we're coming off of, but hey, that's okay. And this is the hardest golf course in the world. I don't blame guys for how I wanted to play it. It is so freaking hard. Do you want to hate golf for four days? Yeah, cool.

Play this one. Sung J.M. is your favorite. Ball striking machine. Makes sense. Makes sense. It blows 100 down there. Miss one shot. You make triple.

My favorite. I'm going to go with a guy going off at 14 to 1. He lives in the area part time of the year. Incredible in the wind. Got some of the best hands on the PGA tour. My brother from another mother, Shane Lowry. Hmm, Big Shane. Maybe you could avenge that L last year where the weather came in.

He got hud. Kind of snatched that thing up from him. That was a tough beat. Tough beat for Big Shane. I was between two guys here, both going off at the same odds. I'm going to lean towards this man, Danny McCarthy. It's going to have it 28 to 1. So it's not like the odds we typically see for a favorite.

But 14th last week at RIV has been putting some really good golf together. He's up to 41st in the FedEx Cup, 61st in the world, like quietly been just moving up, moving up, moving up. The way he puts the golf ball, you got to hit it around PJs. National, but he has been doing that lately. If he can navigate some of these T-balls and things like that, I think his time's coming, I think, to get in the winner's circle. And it's probably going to be an event like this with a field like this on his first one.

And he is actually my favorite bet of the week. Denny McCarthy is a top 10 at plus 280. I like that. So the other guy I was between was Matt Coocher. I think he's got the same odds for a top 10, too. Coochman really nice last week. Exactly. And this is a good place.

Can flight it down, hit it under the wind, all that. Just doesn't beat himself too often. All right, my dark horse, guy who's played really well around here, lost in a playoff actually one year to, it was Russell Henley and Roy McElroy. Something about it gets him going. He actually took last week off to get ready for the Honda Classic. He's going off at 60 to 1.

Ryan Palmer. Ooh, RP. Man knows how to golf his ball in the wind. And dance on the dance floor at the wet end. He's dangerous. He's lethal in a lot of conditions. I'm going here with a guy that I think these are great odds for him, especially given this field.

He's at 40 to 1. Okay, he's coming off a T12 this past week. Minus 6th final round, one of the best rounds out there. Talent-wise, I think he's about as good as anybody in the field, but you're getting him at 41. Harris English. Harry, swing it better. 40 to 1.

Oh, it's just one of my favorite, all Sleez team in terms of swing. That thing just all day. He's a dog. All day. He is a dog. All right. Well, those are our bets for this week. And make sure you get that Fandual app.

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