Subpar - Ernie Els Interview: Going head to head with Tiger at the Presidents Cup, captaining the upcoming Icons Series

Episode Date: June 28, 2022

On this week's episode of GOLF's Subpar, 4-time Major Champion Ernie Els joins Colt Knost and Drew Stoltz for an exclusive interview. The 'Big Easy' talks being the captain of the World team at the upcoming Icons Series event, his playoff with Tiger Woods leading to a tie at the Presidents Cup and how he ended up shooting 60 after a rough night. Subpar Podcast: https://linktr.ee/Golf1271 Birdie Juice Merch: https://proshop.golf.com/collections/birdie-juice-collection -- The TAG Heuer Connected Calibre E4, together with the TAG Heuer Golf app, is the ultimate companion for on and off the golf course; designed for performance, ready for everyday life. Visit https://tagheuer.com/golf to learn more. Thanks to our official sponsor Dewar's. Make sure to check out their Reserve Bar listings today: https://www.reservebar.com/collections/house-of-dewars  This week's episode is presented by FanDuel Sportsbook. If you've never tried FanDuel Sportsbook, what are you waiting for? Go to https://www.fanduel.com/subpar or download the FanDuel Sportsbook app to get started. Be sure to sign up with promo code SUBPAR so they know we sent you. Disclaimer: 21+ and present in AZ, CO, CT, IA, IL, NJ, NY, or WY. 1st online real money wager only. $10 first deposit required. Bonus issued as non-withdrawable site credit that expires 14 days after receipt. Restrictions apply. See full terms at sportsbook.fanduel.com. Gambling Problem? Call 1-800-NEXT-STEP or text NEXTSTEP to 53342 (AZ), Call 1-800-522-4700 (CO), 1-888-789-7777 or visit ccpg.org/chat (CT), 1-800-GAMBLER or visit FanDuel.com/RG (NJ, IA, IL), 1-877-8-HOPENY or text HOPENY(467369) (NY), or 1-800-522-4700 (WY).

Hello world. Welcome back to golf subpar. Colt-nosed Drew Stoltz. Sleasy man, first off, I'm a year older. It's tragic. I'm getting old, bud. You don't show it. You don't look at a day over 36 in my book. I feel younger, honestly. Do you? Yeah. You're getting healthier? Getting much healthier. My athletic greens, you know? Yeah, of course. Got to be, got to be using those. But what a week it was, Zander Shafle, our guy, who we seem to almost pick every single week, got the job done up at the travelers with another very, very exciting finish. That tournament every year. I mean,

it comes down to the wire. Last year, it was an eight-hole playoff. This year, we're coming down him and Sihith the Gala battling it out. Listen, I love Sihith. Great dude. Love his energy. Love his way he plays golf. Might have been one the dumbest decisions we've ever seen in my life on the golf course. That was a tough one to swallow. You know, he's talked about that decision that hitting the driver off the tea. I got no issue with whatsoever. If that's the club you love and that's the one you've been hitting good, he just gutted it on, you know, he's been hitting good T-balls. I got no issue with that whatsoever. He probably thinks at that point, like, Zander being Zander, like he's going to birdie either 17 or 18. The ball's in my hands.

Let me make Bertie on 18 and I can put this thing to bed. No issue with that whatsoever. He catches the shit lie underneath the lip. And looking at it on television, I was like, I was thinking he might have to go out sideways. I don't think he can even splash it out of this thing. At most, he could splash it out. Sat there and talked about forever. At that point, it's like, okay, bird's probably not going to happen here. Let's get this thing out. Make par. Bogie at worst. Force Xander's hand. All right, make him make bird. If he does that tip of the cap, all right, it didn't work out for you.

But to try to hit that shot over that lip, 105, I think he had to the front, one 23 to the flag, you ain't hitting it 105 yards out of that thing. And so at that point, I was like, that's the decision. It wasn't the driver necessarily that I thought was a bad play. Hindsight's 2020. That second shot, I couldn't believe it. You know, you couldn't hear everything him and his caddy were saying, but I thought I heard Carl say, like, if you can't get it to the green, it's not worth it.

Yeah, the only reason we go for it is to have a look at Bertie, right? I think that was more or less what he said. I was like, yeah, you can't do it. Carl did everything but saying you're not hitting this shot. Other than just grabbing it and saying, here's your 60. It's just, man, I know things get going really fast in that situation. You're nervous. You're trying to get that first win.

But man, that just was unbelievable to me. I mean, I know it's easy sitting on your couch to criticize. But like, when you see that, I'm like, okay, there's no way that ball's getting over the lip and getting to the green. With the pen being downwind over a bunker, you need a nice full number to have some spin on it. Like, let's just hit it over here. Just splash it out. If we hit a decent wedge, we're going to be 15 feet or closer and give ourselves a look. And if we make par, he's got to make birdie to tie.

If I make bogey, he's got to make birdie to win. Like, let's just get, let's not lose it. Let's at least make him earn it. And he just, you know, I think this one's going to stick with him for a long time. It's one of those decisions you're going to look back and you're going to regret. Honestly, I'm sure Sunday night was brutal for him. He was incredible in his interviews afterwards. Like, that took a lot just to be able to talk.

But, man, he's got to be kicking himself. And he's come close a number of times. He came into 17 at the Phoenix Open with a chance. He had a beautiful driving iron that took a shit bounce and ended up in the lake, makes bogey there. He was right in the hunt there. He took the lead into the back nine of one of the events earlier in the fall, where he damn near one there.

So this is third time where he's probably kicking himself on a Sunday night. And we talked about how good he. He's just an awesome dude, by the way. He's funny. He's hilarious. Everyone likes him. His time's coming. I hate using that phrase.

His time's coming because it's so hard to win out there. But, man, that's the one out of all three of them where he's just like, man. And like you said, other than his caddy, just handing him the 60 and saying, no, you're not allowed to do this. It's hard to call a guy off that. I'm going over here. Yeah, dude. Here's a 60. I'm going to lay the bag down.

If you want your other club, you got to reach in here. I'm not even laying the bag down. I'm taking it with me. And this is what you got to hit. And then Zander, I mean, he had to be sitting there on the 18th team. Like, what? You could see it all happening. But I don't think he knew exactly what was going on there.

And then a fun fact. I don't have heard this. It's actually his first individual win on the PJ Tour since the Century Tournament Champions in 2019. Had you heard that at all? Not at all. Yeah, that's a fun fact. A little nugget there for you. What a study is.

He plays so good every week. He just hadn't been able to cross the finish line in quite some time. But he finally got it done yesterday. I know that one was very, very satisfying. We had him on our serious XM show. He came out and he's like, I just wanted to get that monkey off my back, just wanted to win. And I think this has got to do huge things for his confidence heading into St. Andrews. Just have to stop talking about it.

I mean, in the time that he'd won, I mean, he won a Ryder Cup. He won the Zurich with Patrick Cantley. He won a gold medal. Like he's done really good. You know, he's had a lot of success. It just hasn't been individual on that. They kept having to put all these like qualifiers on what he hadn't done. And now I can just like shut up.

I've picked him six times, I think, on this show. When we pick our, I just keep picking him. How can you not? He'll win, he'll win, and then I don't pick him in Pam. He drives it great. He irons it great. And he puts it great. Okay, perfect.

I'll take him. And he doesn't get emotional at all. No. And he's got that killer instinct on it. That T shot off 18 when it's not the easiest T shot in the world. It's not that wide up there. He just stepped up 180 ball speed. the thing didn't curve a yard just right down the center stripe had a hundred just over a hundred yards

left stoned a lob wedge into there to three feet and kicked it in for a two-shot win but he uh he earned it so hith made him made him earn that one yeah he earned it and he probably sat there on the 18ttt like what the hell it went from i need birdie to probably get into a playoff to oh my god par wins this thing outright big flip-flop there congrats zander another win for great for a golf subpar this was the one good thing about it because i picked can't lay as the winner uh earlier this week wasn't going on too big of a limb there, but at least he didn't finish second. No, he shot 94 yesterday. He could have won, and we would have added one to the tally, but he decided to just not

have a day and just moon walked right down that leaderboard, but at least we didn't get a second for South Park. That was one of the most shocking things I've ever seen in my life from Patrick Cantley. I never seen him like so out of source. He made three pars. The chunk on the par three that was 57 yards short that barely made it to the water, I was like, oh my God, I love you. Partly, I love you though. As Nick Fowling would say off a teapag. Yeah, off a T-Pag.

Yeah, right off the old tepeg and just 57. I was like, what does happen? Like, just a different dude. After Saturday? I mean, he's a machine. It's kind of like our picks last week. What just happened? We'll get into that later.

I mean, dude, I'm so snake bit right now. But congrats to Xander. Awesome win, his six PGA tour win. And the 122nd U.S. Open has concluded and the champion has been crowned. Dewers, the official Scotts whiskey of the U.S. Open and the most awarded blended Scotch whiskey in history is proud to congratulate the winner Matt Fitzpatrick on this prestigious tournament. We're also proud to announce the limited release, 22 Doer's 19-year-old Champions Edition. Double-age, then finished in New American Oak and First Phil Rye cast for a

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Oh, you don't? No, you do. You hardly feel it. You hardly feel it. You don't even know you had it. Well, it's time for the cheers. Doers' cheers moment of the week, which I cheered a lot of it on my birthday. So he's 37 years old.

Went down rather smooth. Mm-hmm. Was feeling fantastic. Mm-hmm. But one thing I did not feel fantastic about is our good friend Max Homo. Max. Who I wake up, sat. We celebrated my birthday.

on Saturday. I had a nice, played golf, at some cocktails. We had a great evening. Went out at a nice evening. Yeah. I wake up Sunday morning to my phone blowing up from Twitter and all kinds of text messages. Max decided to post a rather embarrassing picture of me on Twitter. And I just want you to let you know, Max, that payback's a bitch, and I'm coming for you. He caught you with that stray, right when you woke up, just straight to the head.

It's not the way I wanted to start my day. As you're crossing the street, trying to get a cup of coffee, just right to the dome. Little dome shot from, what year was that at SMU? That was my freshman year. God, just the lady slayer picture. He just brought it out of the archives. I've seen that thing bounced around some group text. Never seen thrown out into the worldwide.

Good news is, like doers, I get better with age. You do. Right. We need a 37-year-old vintage for the kid. But Max, I'm coming for you. Get ready because shots have been fired. That's one of those ones where, like, in the group text, it's whatever. Some of my buddies have it as the pitcher when I call.

But Twitter, I mean, you got like 200,000 followers, dude. That's a little bit of a low blow. Just a quarter mill quick checking that thing out for old age. 18 Colty. Isn't that weird? That was 19 years ago, bud. Welcome to getting old as balls. Yep.

And we are. But I look better. But we're still sweet. I feel better. We're still sweet. But also, got to congratulate you and your Colorado Avalanche

on the Stanley Cup championship. I know your diehard hockey guy was glued to the TV for every second. But Denver, they're back in it. Champions once again. It's the year of the 303, dude.

That's the appetizer before the Broncos come in. Hoist that Lombardi. Probably followed by the nugs after that. You know I live and die. by the puck. I'm always pucking around. You know what I mean? And we got it done.

It's just a load off, dude. I knew this was the squad, all the guys, Nate. Man, it was fun to watch. Playoff hockey. There's nothing like it. It's bad news for Wyndham because his man crush. Nate McKinnon now has just gone up the ranks in terms of like celebrity and things like that. So it's going to be tough for the dove to get that time again.

Yeah, you better get those texts in now because your boy's going to be fading you hard. But congrats to the avalanche. That was awesome to watch. And I'll tell you what this episode this week, Sleece, our man, the big easy. Ernie else, we get amongst it with him. He is just fantastic. He's all time. He's just a dude.

You just happens to have probably the most enviable golf swing in the history of golf. I think if you took a pull of everyone, the thing's magic. But he also gets it. He's just one of the fellas, too. You know what I mean? He's scared to sit on that plane. You want to hop on that golf stream, which he talks about. You're probably going to have a good time.

He just happens to be blessed with some of the greatest talent of all time. And we dig into that President's Cup back in that little playoff with Tiger, which is one of the all-time team events ever. Let's not spoil it because this interview is fantastic. And like Ernie and like us, we've got great timepieces. You've got to, dude. It's time to bring your golf rounds to the next level, Colt, because if you're passionate about golf,

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All right, we got a former world number one and four-time major champion with us here today. He's the first ballot hall of famer with one of the silkiest actions in the history of the game of golf. Ernie Els is with us. How are you, my man? I'm good, guys, man. Thank you. Yeah. How are you guys doing?

Wonderful. Thanks for joining us, Earn. It's been a while. I haven't seen you in ages, but you're looking well. I know you're up in Pennsylvania getting ready for the U.S. Senior Open this week. But before we get to talking a little bit about you, we've got to talk about this icon series that you got coming up next week. Liberty National, you're the captain of the rest of the world team against Fred Couples,

who's captaining Team USA. What's this event all about? Yeah, so thanks. Yeah, so Freddie is the captain of the U.S. side. I guess, you know, they take us old guys. And, you know, we're old enough now to be captains of sides, you know. Freddie obviously, Katie, obviously, Captain the President's Cup quite a few times. He's involved with the Riter Cup.

You know, he's an icon himself, myself, you know, playing international. Golf, also President's Cup experience. You know, they looked at us and said, hey, you know, the organizers have got this event going. I think Darren Clark's done one before in Dubai. But they get international sports stars from around the world, in my case. I've got Canelo Alvarez, the boxer. I've got some cricket players, A.B. DeVilliers, Brian Lara, guys like that.

I got some soccer players, you know, football players in England, but soccer players in the US. So I got some really cool guys playing, you know, on my team. And, you know, we're going to play three or four days of serious golf. These guys are all really good golfers, you know. Some of them are scratch handicaps like Harry Kane, you know, England, the English soccer team. And I've got Ash Barty, you know, the former number one. She's a four-hannicap. So I've met a lot of these guys.

I've never really played a lot of golf with a lot of them. A.B. DeVille, she's a cricketer. He's an icon in cricket. I want to tell you, you've got to look this guy up. He hits a cricket ball as far as we had golf balls, I promise you. And he was captain of South Africa. But any case, we're going to play serious golf. They're going to play off their handicaps.

and we're going to take on the US side, Freddie side, and I hear he's got Michael Phelps on his side and so forth. So these guys are not messing around, the organizers getting really great talent and people that have really made a difference in this sport. And we're going to have three great days at Liberty National, play golf, see how serious these guys take it. I'll go whatever which way they want to go.

If they want to have some beers, we can do that. but if they want to take the golf series, we can do that too. But I know these guys, you know, being so competitive in their sports field, I think the competitiveness is going to come through, you know, as the tournament goes on. And I don't think anybody wants to lose in this thing.

So it's going to be a lot of fun, but serious golf, and we'll see how this thing plays out. But it's going to be Liberty National in New York. You know, people come out and watch. please, it's going to be great. Yeah, that's going to be awesome. Liberty National, just a beautiful place. But you mentioned your captaining the rest of the world team, which is, you know, you're a worldwide player. You still are playing all around the world. Why was that so important when, you know, back in the late 90s, early 2000s, you know, the big money was on the PGA

tour, but you still focused on playing all around the world. Yeah, I mean, that's just the way things went to nowadays. You know, my, the guy before me was obviously a Gary player and then some other players that you guys are not very familiar with, played on the European Tour, John Bland, Yuba Hockey, Simon Hoppe, these type of guys. So that's just the way we went at it. You know, when you were good enough to play in South Africa and then if you were good enough to play overseas,

you went to Europe first. If you can prove yourself in Europe, hey, the next step up, it's going to be the US. So, you know, from Europe, I went to the US back in, 90, my goodness, I got to think back. 92, I started playing on the US a little bit. I really started establishing myself in the US in 93, when I finished 7th at the US Open at Baltisrol.

That gave me some starts into the Masters in 94, and I got into the US Open in 94, which I ultimately won. And that gave me a 10-year exemption. So that was kind of my journey. But getting my card on the US was great. but I felt like a lot of my roots were in Europe and in South Africa. And in South Africa, you know, back in the day, there were some really top US players that used to come down there.

Out tour was always in the off-season from November through kind of February. And a lot of the American players like Tom Lehman, Fred Wadsworth, I mean, Franny Quinn, I mean, a lot of these type of guys came to South Africa and played down there. So I got familiar with them. They all told me, oh, you got the game for the US, da-da-da-da-da. You know,

they blew some good smoke at my ass. But anyway, we, I believe them. And, you know, John Daly, for instance, he was an absolute icon down in South Africa. I mean, he won four or five times. But anyway,

you know, my roots were in South Africa, then Europe, played there, and I ever, I never wanted to turn my back on that. And they paid good appearance, me to be honest. So play very easily. Well, they weren't blowing too much smoke up your ass,

Ernie, because you ended up having a pretty damn good run here in the States. But mentioned that 94 U.S. Open like you did. That was the one you won in the playoff when it was 18-hole aggregate, I believe. And I think you started that playoff, bogey, triple-bogey in that thing. What's going through your brain after 18 holes? It's pretty much a sprint to the finish line. Bogey-triple. What kind of odds were you giving yourself at that time? Well, zero, to be honest, I was just trying to not embarrass myself any further. I mean, you know, you play 72 holes and then you start in a playoff, and you go, bogey on the first, which is a pretty tough hole,

but the second hole was the easiest hole in the golf course. It's a three iron and a wedge. And I don't know, I hit it just off the fair way, I remember it, and hit the nine iron, which it should have been a wedge, obviously. I hit it through the green, over the green. I mean, in a bush. And so I ended up making seven down four over through two holes. Unarguably, probably the toughest golf course here we're going to play.

You know, it's probably the top five if it's not in the top three. And what are you thinking? I'm thinking try and just keep this thing together here somehow. I birded the very next hole somehow. And I was actually speaking to a couple of. of my buddies about that. They asked me yesterday, actually. And I said, you know, you're so young.

You're just trying to, you know, make it birdie or get something going. But on the third hole, when I hit that putt, I hit it so freaking firm. If it didn't hit the hole, that thing would have run off the green. That could have been another double. Maybe it would walk down the hill, pick that one up. I'll pick it up. And I'm like, pumping my fist. But I'm like, man, I'm glad it hit the hole.

but so now I'm two over through three and I kind of just kept it together so I shot three over par through 18 holes and tied Lauren Roberts again and then we had two more holes and I won the thing so it took 90

how many holes that 92 holes so we earned that book yeah that's a good amount around Oakmont just a nice little relaxing week around yeah it was I remember you know, the Monday, you know, after four or five days of 90-plus weather, it was the hardest

I've ever been. I mean, at that stage, I've played in Singapore and Indonesia and places like that. But Oakmont, that whole week, they had a heat wave. I mean, you talk about global warming. I think it started in 94, you know what I'm saying. Anyway, but it was like 95, every single day, heat indexed at 104. And then on the Monday, same kind of weather. And I remember Colin Montgomery was the third guy in a group. We don't talk about him. But I mean, at that stage, he was one of the best players in the world.

He was dominating Europe. And I think he must have run out of clothes in his wardrobe because he got on the tee with a black shirt and very dark pants. And he was already very red in the face on the first hole. So, you know, he ended up shooting 78. And he was at that state's a better player of the three of us. So it just shows you what the, what the heat can do to you. He had to hide that sweat.

By the way, Ernie is a veteran because when we used to play the KIMB over in Malaysia, Ernie would hang a shirt either at the first tier or the 10th tee, depending on which started starting hole he had. And he would change at the turn. It was genius because it was like 140 degrees over there. Yeah, I mean, that's that's exactly right. That's, that's experience, you see. You guys were laughing at me, but I was like,

man, you walk three holes and it's just dripping off. So, yeah, it's different. But, I mean, we can talk about your career for hours and hours and hours, but I just want to look at it as a whole. You know, your four-time major champion, Hall of Famer, President's Cup captain. Is there one thing that sticks out that you're the most proud about in your career? Well, I mean, just to have the career I've had, to be honest, you know,

to have a long career, you know, you've got to do a lot of things, right, and a lot of things have to go your way. I mean, injuries, you know, touched wood haven't been too bad for me. You know, I've had the rib injury or stuff like that, but nothing catastrophic. And then just to have the love of the game for this long time, you know, there's a lot of other things we can do in life, you know, but to keep the love of the game to where I want to still compete and so forth, I'm 52, 53 this year in October.

So the most proud thing is to hang around and be relative, you know. You know, and another thing, you know, that the PGA tour has looked after us very well, you know, with Champions Tour now. We're knocking on Jay's door to get some more money into this thing. But, you know, there's a lot of other things happening in the world. But anyway, we're thankful to play still. But to come back to your question, just to be an ambassador for the game, to be honest, you know, to play the game for a long time.

And as we just talked about starting in South Africa, you know, winning there, you know, Europe, playing in Asia, playing in the US. And really, you know, to be honest with you, my head's going crazy. Just two weeks ago, my daughter graduated from Stanford. Congratulations. You know, to raise your kids. And thank you. And all these things, you know, I don't know if it would have been possible

if I didn't play the game of golf. You know, I mean, I probably would have been working for my dad in South Africa. You know, he's got a trucking company. And, you know, I don't know if that would have been all that much fun for me. But who knows what I would have done if it wasn't for this game? And to keep that, you know, excitement to still practice. You know, I'm out here in Bethleh in Pennsylvania. We're playing the US senior and I'm out there playing my practice rounds and, you know,

still trying to compete and try and get better at some way. So it's tough to tell you one thing, you know, I think you're more thankful for the things that's happened to you because we've seen how many our injuries can take you away and other things can take you away from the game. So it's been a pretty good ride. Yeah, I'm sure you would have been a really good trucker, Ernie, but you turned into a world-class golfer. So I think you picked the right route there. But throughout your career, I mean, you won majors. You played presidents' cup, you're captain's president's cup.

You're also the guy that probably had the most head-to-head duels with Tiger Woods over the years. I mean, you guys locked horns a lot of times. Is there a particular moment or a particular tournament that stands out to you the most? Like when you think of playing with Tiger Woods and the times you guys went toe to toe. Yeah, what an experience, I mean, called you know, you've played in the Tiger era. And the thing that gets me the most and people ask me this question

in light is, you know, what separated Tiger from us? I mean, there's a lot of things, but the one real factor was his intensity on the first tea, you know, you know, on the first tea, you know, you just want to get in the round, you know, see how things

are, you know, testing out the waters a little bit of the competition and, you know, hopefully by four or five, you even part or one under and you get into the tournament. A lot of us are like that. But Tiger, he was different. You know, on the first D, he was ready to go. You know, he was ready to absolutely strangle the golf course and then get to the field eventually, you know, and really take down the tournament. You know, he wasn't there to mess around. You know, he didn't play too many events, but when he played, you know, he was ready to go, you know, and his eyes, you know, on

that practice putting green, you know, you make some small talk, and we'll reach around a little bit here and there with each other, but he was absolutely focused on his job. And that is one thing that separated him then, and it still separates him today. I don't see that in intensity of other competitors before the first round, on that first tee. You can just feel the aura of this guy.

he's here to compete. And that's the one thing. And then, you know, just his pursuit of winning, his pursuit of excellence throughout the event, you know, there's been, there was tournaments where we played the first two rounds together, and then we'll play the last two rounds together. So, you know, to be with a guy like that for four rounds through a tournament, and then, you know, go right to the same. his second hole,

um, competing against him. It takes a lot out of you, you know, not taking anything away from my fellow competitors, but this guy was just a freaking machine. And, um,

and he still is, you know, when he plays, he's there to win. You can see him today even, you know, he's, you know,

and with injuries, you know, he's the half, half the man he was, you know, but he's out there. He's going to find a way, uh,

to try and beat you and in the golf course. So, uh, What a guy and what a time to play with him. I mean, I remember, you know, the one that comes to mind is the one in Hawaii, you know. Yeah. I was playing my, you know, I was playing really well, you know, and he made those pots coming down. And we were putting on greens that were running at about nine on a stump, you know, and we went into a playoff.

You know, we made those eagles. And then on the next hole, the first hole, he hits at 40 feet. You cannot believe a hard. He hit that putt. Anybody else would have hit it four feet short. I mean, I was 20 feet, and I left my putt short, and I thought I hit it hard enough. He just had that next sense of what to do,

what it will take to win the tournament. And he kept on doing it, and he's still doing it. So what a guy. Yeah, unbelievable. You know, I mean, obviously, he brought a lot of eyeballs to the game of golf and, you know, changed the amount of money that the guys play for out on the PJ tour. But do you ever think, man, if this guy didn't come around,

I might have won double-digit majors. You know, I've never really thought about it that way. I've been, you know, I won four, you know, I messed up down a stretch a couple of times without Tiger there, you know, Tom Lehman in 96, you know, I messed up coming in a little bit for the second. I had the lead in 95 in the US PGA at Riviera.

I had a three-shot lead. I missed that one up. Steve Alkington and won that one against Monty. There were some other ones, you know, but yeah, I mean, overall, if Tiger wasn't around, you know, it probably would have been

a different story. You know, I think I always, when I was a kid, I looked at Gary players record he won nine majors I mean as a kid you're very cocky you think you can do a lot until you start competing against the best in the world but I felt I wanted to get

close to Gary's record but I was a long way short but you know yeah if Tykeke wasn't around I definitely would have won more golf tournament but I don't think I would have made as much money definitely I mean the guy when he came

on tour, well, when I got on tour, I remember Corey Pavin, I think it was, he better correct me here, but it was early 90s. He was the first guy to win over a million dollars in the season. Now, think about that, guys. 30 years ago, we were trying to win more than a million dollars in the season. You were the number one money list on the money list. And now, look where it's gone. And when Tiger came in in 97, you know, we were still down. there, you know, in a two million mark, you know, in purse. And bang, it just exploded. You know, the world golf came in, you know, there's tournaments around the world came in. And the PJ two, it just went from strength to strength. So, you brought a lot of money to a lot of people's

pockets. No doubt. Yeah. And so I think when I was talking to you about Tiger and like your your head-to-head battles, the one that stands out to most golf fans is probably the 2003 Presidents Cup, I would say the best Presidents' Cup, period, hands down of all time. And going into that playoff where it's you and Tiger playing for the entire Presidents' Cup, the pressure that had to go along with that. Can you explain even like, because you got pressure pots in major championships? But it's for you. You're trying to win.

You're trying to win for South Africa. This is for the entire globe. What does the pressure feel like on the shoulders of an individual guy trying to win that thing? Before you answer that, did you know you were going to be the guy if y'all were tied? It had to be the guy. unofficially yeah we knew okay we kind of yeah something was going to go on you know extra time we kind of knew because at that time you know i think i was number two in the world and i think tiger was one you know and um yeah excuse me and um so we kind of had a feeling but nobody

ever thought there would be a playoff i mean no way you know these things never ever happens you know But actually, it happened that time. He actually beat me earlier than the day very comfortably. He beat me, I think, five and three. So I was back, you know, my tail between my legs a little bit, but I was supporting my team coming in. And as it will be, there you go. We got to tie, you know.

And, you know, Gary and Jack pull the names out of their hat. And voila, you know, it's a big surprise. But for the sports fan, the golf fan in South Africa, it was fantastic because, you know, as we say, you know, in those days, we went toe-to-to-co quite a few times. And in 2003, I mean, I was right in my prime. You know, I was 33, 34 years old. And, yeah, I mean, the golf wasn't beautiful. And I could even sense Tiger was nervous. like I've never seen him before.

And we kind of hit the ball around, you know, the par five was our first playoff hole. I was even short of the green in three, you know, hit it up there. I promise you, I think I was a foot and a half away from the hole. And Tiger would not give me the putt. And I was like, okay. In those days, I was pretty steady from a foot and a half,

okay? But anyway, you know, I knocked that in. I was like, okay, you know, it's on now, you know. And we made, on the next hole, we missed the green again, and we both up and down the ball from impossible positions and, you know, making five, six footers down the hill. And then the part three is the second hole. Is this an impossible hole?

You know, Gary put a bunker in the middle of this hole. It's like 240 yards down the hill. And with a big slope. You know, both of us are short tigers up there to the left. I'm short for that six, seven feet. He's got an impossible putt guys. He's got a 12-footer going left to right. It's dark.

And I'm like, in my head, I promise you, I'm thinking there's no way he's making this. This one, this is going to be good. Because for once I'm going to get him in my home, on my home turf, president's cup. I got this going in my head. He makes that putt. He makes the first. pump and it's right in the middle. That ball would have gone into a whole

half the size. Now I'm thinking, ah, now, as you thought, you know, a great lesson for people listening. Do not let your mind, never let your mind go ahead. You know, stay in a present. But I really didn't think he was going to make it,

but he makes it and then I've got this part up the hill. You know, if I miss this, you know, I'm going to forever be remembered as the guy missing the part of the President's Cup in South Africa. but I thankfully made it. And that was that. You know, my guys were trying to go, get me to get to the next tea.

We all knew it was too dark at the end of that. The engines were still already running, you know, on the tarmac for the US team because you guys needed to get back to Thanksgiving and so forth. So that was that. So it was a good time. Was there a sense of you, like, when they called it and said they decided to be a tie?

You were like, thank God, this thing's over. Like, it's, I mean, the nerves were so high. Yeah. I can't imagine how much pressure. Absolutely. We, we immediately after that when Tim, I think they called Tim Finchon from the green, you know, Gary and Jack did. And the beers were cracking right there.

When they announced that, both teams started having beers and we kind of celebrated what, what happened. It was a really awesome week. Ernie, the first like proposal, though, I remember when Jack and Gary were getting together was that, all right, the U.S. was holding the cup, so we're going to retain the cup. The U.S. is going to retain it. And then eventually you guys agreed upon sharing it.

If they had said, if there hadn't been an agreement reach where we're going to share this cup, we're going to call this thing a draw. If it had been decided the U.S. is going to take this thing, we'll retain it. Would you have wanted to come out the next day and finish it? Yeah, that was our argument. Yeah, the guys were very adamant that, you know, this is tied at a moment. This thing is going to be played any further. It was totally dark.

from our point of view is like this will be very unfair to have a playoff kind of stop with no result and then the US retains the cup so from our point of view the guys were shot and screaming and I guess

Tim Fincher made the call because as I say you know Thanksgiving for the guys the US guys flying across the world to South Africa you know you want to get back to your beloved family and So this whole thing made sense in the end.

And I think Tim Fincher made the absolute right call. I mean, as it will be, that is the last time we won the cup or shared the cup. You know, we've just been dominated by the US team since then. So that was a good result for us. You could have saved five minutes by not doing the name in the hat ceremony. Everybody knew what your names were coming out of that thing. Yeah, that was an absolute giveaway. I mean, I just did that, I guess, for the ceremony.

But, you know, we knew. I mean, there was nobody else, really. You know, just South Africa. In that time, myself and Tiger, I mean, it was a no-brainer. Yeah, well, you mentioned, you know, the U.S. has been on quite a role in the President's Cup. Y'all put up a hell of an effort down at Royal Melbourne in 2020 when you were captain. Is there something if you could go in and change about the President's Cup? What would you change?

Well, good question. I mean, you know, the, I mean, our eligibility playing, we've changed that a little bit, you know, we've been talking to Jay and the PGA tour to give us a little bit more power per se from our internal committee to make certain decisions. And that's already started happening. You know, we've got our own criteria of selecting our team, you know, on our merit, you know, not off the FedEx Cup or off the USPGA tour criteria. So we've started doing that on a worldwide basis. We're trying to get a different qualifying criteria for our team because we are very different. We're not as highly rated on the world ranking system as the US. And I know the US also uses a different system,

but to get our selection going, I would like to have a little bit more control as a captain to be able to do that. And then, Jay and the tour has been wonderful for us, to us, you know, in our travel schedule to these events. like Australia, it's not around the corner, you know. So they've really given us a good leeway out to get there, you know, on airfare and so forth. So in all honesty, it's pretty good.

We just need to get that win under the belt and get momentum going. And we got really close with that. You know, I tried a very different system when we were down in Australia. I probably had one of the weakest teams on paper. ever against the US. And our weakest part of our tournament is always in the alternate shot and a team play. You know, we were always good in the singles play for some reason. But we had a two-point lead going into the singles,

and then the US really showed their talent and beat us on the Sunday. But for once, it was very competitive. I saw Trevor Eamelman really being locked in with me on what I did in the system that I used. And I felt, which was another change, that I could choose the next captain. So I chose Trevor as my next captain because he's young. He gets it. You know, he's on television a lot. He's with the players a lot.

And, you know, he became the next captain. So there was another nice change that Jay gave me that we can decide. who comes next. I don't decide that. Yeah, well, it was a hell of a run down there at Royal Melbourne. And speaking of Royal Melbourne, I heard from a friend of yours, you once shot 60 around there, but had an interesting couple of days leading into that. Yeah, those were the days, man. Yeah, I flew in a, I had a Gulf stream in those days, you know.

And earlier part of the year in those days, we used to fly from South Africa. used to go there for December, holidays, and Christmas and New Year. Then I'll start my season normally. If it wasn't Hawaii, I'd start my season in Dubai. And from Dubai, I'll play some Asian tour, European tour events. And as it'll be, we played a tournament in, what's that island of Thailand, in Pouquet. Pouquet. We played Pouquet. Beautiful place.

I took the family there. kids were really small then. You know, we fly in there with a Gulfstream and stay at this resort, play the tournament. Adam Scott's a good friend of mine. You know, he's still a youngster back then, but anyway, you know, the next tournament is the Heineken Classic in Melbourne. So he bums a ride from me. I said, please, come on.

Well, it's a long flight down to Australia. So we get in the plane in Phuket. we had to refuel somewhere. I can't remember where it was, but it was a flight. So I say to my wife, okay, Liesel, you don't mind, you know, the kids are going to be sleeping in the back. Me and Adam and Ricky, my caddy at the time, we're going to have a couple of drinks up front.

You know, we had the compartments. But when we land on this island for fuel, I promise you we'll sleep the rest of the way. Promise. I promise, babe. Well, I got a great wife, let me tell you. But anyway, we didn't quite stop. But just before we landed in Melbourne, we kind of stopped. And now we are really, really fired up.

Ricky, we had to wake him up to get through passport control. Thank goodness they let him into the country. But now it's Super Bowl. Okay? So we get back to the crown. You know, Leasel basically throws me out of the room, get out of here. So we watch the Super Bowl.

Now, this takes us into Monday, all right, and we finish the Super Bowl. Now, I'm not doing too well. Anyway, I played a program on Wednesday. That's my practice round. Get paired with Adam Scott on Thursday. Thursday morning. No, and I played Thursday afternoon.

I shoot 60. I was 13 under through 15, no, I was 12 under through 15 holes. A bogeyed 16, birded 17, and I had a put for 59 and 18 Thursday afternoon. Scotty shoot 66. We play all the way through for four rounds. I've got an eight-shot lead going into Sunday. And I think my conscience came back to me and I shoot 30, I shoot 40, what did I shoot? I shoot 42 on my front nine.

You know, the wind changed out of the, it came, started coming out of the south. And I've never seen Melbourne like that. I shoot 32 on the back and eventually beat Adam by one shot. Wow, that's incredible. But great preparation, obviously. Yeah, she got drunk on Saturday. We had a whole week together from Phuket in the airplane, watched the Super Bowl on the Monday, you know,

which we can't really remember much of. And then recover Tuesday, play Wednesday, program. And then Thursday, we played four rounds together. So what a week. That's a true story. Nothing that I'm proud of. But anyway, that is what it is. Hey, you won.

I'd be pretty damn proud. Yeah. Trust me, I don't remember the Super Bowl ever anymore. It's Sunday after Phoenix open. I don't ever remember who wins. Should we get to the E9? Yes. All right.

Just a few more questions. We'll let you get out here. But we do this E9 with everyone, Ernie. Fun questions, just some great stories. But we ask this to everyone. You can trade lives and be anyone for a day, dead or alive. Anyone in the history of the world for a day? Who would you be?

Oh, geez. Well. I'd love, I like the Rolling Stones. I'm not a good singer, but Mick Jagger, I think he had a lot of fun. You'll be a good singer that day. Perfect. That's a great answer. Yeah, a lot of good days to pick from in Mix Life, I would have to imagine here. All right, I'm genuinely curious on this one.

I think you're probably the most common answer when people are asked, hey, who has your favorite golf swing of all time? If I were to ask you the same question, who's Ernie L's favorite swing ever? Who would it be? It's not even a question with me. I mean, it's 3D Capos. I mean, he's still swinging the way he swung it 30 years ago.

I mean, how he does it with that bad back? I don't know. He's always been my favorite golf swing of all time. Yeah, that's Tempo Town, the two of y'all together. All right, my next one. Well, we got the open championship coming to St. Andrews this year. But back in the day at the Dunhill Cup, it was New Zealand versus South Africa. you were matched up against Frank Noblo,

who you got earlier in the year at the Anderson match play, just to let you know that. But in this match, he had you one down on 16 when there's a disturbance on the green. Do you remember what happened and what he said to you? There's another funny story. There was, they were, you know, these big waste bins,

you know, when they throw, I don't know, when they dump all this waste. 16 drive by the Old Course Hotel. Yeah, I was right. The Old Course Hotel is there. I guess it's a Sunday morning. Yeah, it was a Sunday morning

because we played the semifinals in the morning and the final afternoon. So the semifinal, we're on the green. And Pat, his caddy, staying close by with a great sense of humor also. And, I mean, they're just dumping all this stuff into this waste bin, and it makes ungodly noise. So Pat goes, he says, oh, I see like cleaning your room.

this morning. It was just a bunch of bottles. I love that. You know, we have a bit of a reputation, you know, there you go. Frank said you didn't find it quite so funny right at the start. I broke into laughter because Pat is so quick. It was like, any, they cleared in your room this morning. I was like, it took me like two minutes. And I got to go, you bastard. You got me. That's great. You're a hell of a recycler. a little like these purses aren't big enough I will stay on

Nablo here I'll audible this a little bit because you're in the wine making biz okay I need in your unbiased opinion which vineyards got the better cab coming out the Ernie L's vineyard or the Frank Nabilo vineyard oh well Frank is a great friend

I'm sure they're working hard on his on his wine but you just got to look at the numbers man and I see what we get on wine wine spectator I'm not saying anything further Frank, your wine sucks. It's snake piss.

All right. Next one, this one's kind of more serious. If you could go back and win one tournament of all the ones you've played, which one would it be? Oh, man. Well, obviously, I mean, the U.S. Masters would have been really nice. You know, if the left-handed golfer didn't make that putt or after the market gave him the line, I guess he couldn't miss.

But that would have been a nice one. But no regrets. It's obviously DeMarco's fault. Yeah, I got to blame him. I still blame him. The left-handed golfer. It's good. All right, you got one of the best nicknames in golf, I would say, the big easy.

Who coined that? And when did you get it? I got it in 1997. I signed up with Taylormate. Mark King was just starting to head up Taylor Maids' Marketing Department. and somehow he got that into the equation and he came up with that name. So I got to blame him. I wasn't quite big then, but I was very easy.

Now I'm just, now I'm just very easy and big. It's one of the best nickname in sports. I know a couple girls in college with that same nickname. This is a family channel, I'm sure. But yeah. I would love to say one of my ex-girlfriends called me that, but I'm not going to say that. All right, next one.

Used to play an event down at Durale every year. Has security ever came to your room at Doreau? Security, I don't think to the room, but they did come to the bar, you know, after swimming around the fountain and then going to the bar and sitting in a bar. He swam around the fountain. Yeah, right at the reception area.

I mean, it's changed now a little bit. I think, you know, President Trump's taken it over. But back in the day, there was a nice fountain. And myself and my New Zealand friend with a beard, we swam around the fountain and did some rugby tackling on each other in the fountain and then proceeded into the bar. And I'm sure if you're curious, you told us to leave the bar. I can't remember that once in a while either.

I heard Brad Faxson, I heard Brad Faxson acted as security. Yeah, Faxie. I think Faxie and Android was in the bar. I don't know what they were bloody doing there, but I was very wet. I was very, very wet when I saw him. And so was Frank Naubleau.

I love it. The show's too much about Frank. We've got to get off Noblo. That's good. That's a hell of a security detail. What's wrong with a little rugby tackling in the fountain, listen up a bit, you know what I mean? Listen, I mean, those were the, I guess that was still the 90s, man. The tour was very different then, you know? We were a little wild back then.

It was good fun. Yeah, the golden days. The golden era. All right. All right, we're on a little bit of a theme here, Earn, but, uh, all right, you're going out for a night with the fellas after a big win. You win something big, okay? You get to pick three guys you played with during your time to join you. Who are the best three guys you want with you to have a couple pops with? Maybe do some rugby tackling. Well, it's got to be Stevie Marino. It has to be, it has to be Scotty, Adam Scott. And my gosh, who can handle himself a little bit too.

I would take Goose with me just to be able to take us home. Rathif Gousson, you know, he's a good driver. He was driving us when we were in the military, you know, and he wouldn't drink at all, and we'd be in the back of the bus, you know, going to tournaments, and Rettif would be able to get us to our tournaments and back.

So I'll definitely take Ritif. No, the gray goose. Yeah. I love that. I heard that Marino is a good guy to share her playing with too. Marino's the best. He's a big guy to share a flight with. He's a beauty.

He's non-strap. He's good. Good traveler. That's the... All right. Last one. You know, I've quickly learned since I switched over to the TV business that broadcasters may not be the most popular with the players.

And I know you've had your run-ins with a couple of different ones here and there. So if I gave you the opportunity to punch one of, them. Would you rather punch Steve Sands or Frank Nabilow? No, neither of them. I mean, we've, we've all good friends. You know, I was going through a tough time there. And, you know, Sandy, he just, he just needed to ask the questions and good for him. You know, he had me on the spot and he drilled me. So that was fine. But we've, you know, it's all in professional courtesy, you know, we, uh, it's a gift. It's a gift. and fake situation. So we're all good. I heard after the Steve Sands one, they sent him out the next

week at Bay Hill to interview you during the pro-am. And he said, how you do it? Because he was getting killed for the question, he asked you. He said, how you do it already? And you said, better than you. Yeah. No, he said, he got me on that nice thing in the moment. And so be it, you know, you got to do your job. And, you know, we all good with that. So we've had a couple of beers after that. We're all good. And Frankie, you know, we've come a long way. Frank Novela played with him in 1992.

We had to go qualify for the Daniel Cup in those days. And that's an African team. We went down there and played with Frank for the first time down there. And we've been friends ever since, you know, a little bit heated yesterday through the years, but we're good friends, you know. So as long as you can look back on your career and, you know, you haven't burned too many bridges, you know. That's another thing on tour that you need to be able to do.

You know, you take and you give and, you know, at the end of the day, you know, it's only a game. It's probably hung up on that wine rating. Ernie, you're one of the best. Thank you so much for taking the time. You know, best of luck out at the Icon series at Liberty National. We really appreciate it. All right, guys. Thanks, man.

You guys do a great job. Thanks a lot. Thank you, Ernie. Thank you, I appreciate it, man. Never change. Cheers, boys. All right, well, that was Ernie L's joining us here on Golf Subpart, four-time major champion, Hall of Famer, President's Cup captain, player, all that,

battled toe-to-to-toe with Tiger. I mean, he was in the middle of the Tiger era. I mean, Tigers openly said, Ernie was one of the very, very few guys that thought he could give him a problem. Yeah, I think he's the guy that, like, Tiger would acknowledge, like, this is the dude. If there's a guy that can challenge me, it's Ernie. I think that's got to be the biggest compliment in the world, and nobody got the short end of the stick in terms of their career when you go back and look on it. still had a monster career.

But when he asked him, like, did you ever just think, like, what if Tiger wasn't born? Yeah. What would it be like? He's like, oh, no, I really thought. I was like, that's all I would think about every tournament. He had so many showdowns. I probably would have a lot more majors and a lot less money in the bank count. So it would catch 22.

But yeah, he was the guy. Now, for a while, like right in peak tiger era, they were battling. One of the few guys that could do it. And I mean, what a moment that had to be for him. Down in South Africa, President's Cup, obviously selected to go into the somewhat. Yeah. random selection turned out to be Tiger versus Ernie L's. The dramatic drawing of the names.

Man, playing in front of your home country like that, I can't imagine the nerves what they were like for him. And just to go toe to toe to with Tiger into the pitch dark and then finally ended up being a tie. Got to be one of the coolest moments of his career. I went back and rewatched it just before we had him on, just like get refreshed on everything. And my hands were sweating watching it.

I was like, I can't even fathom all the pressure going on with this. It's probably best as much as I think tying sucks. That's probably the one event I could look at that. this is probably best in a tie but they agreed to share the cup too just like ernie said if they if they if u.s said no we'll take the cup it's like we'd have gone out the next day yeah like you said he is just so much fun to be around he's a fantastic golfer he can handle his booze until he gets in the i think more than handle until he gets in the fountain down there at deraile and takes a couple laps and right his big ass just flogging around in the fountain but man we got a water buff a little loose

darrell but thanks there a else for coming on with us and now it's time to step up to the tea and take a swing at betting the PGA tour on Fandall Sportsbook. Right now, new customers can bet the tour with a no sweat first bet. If you don't win, you'll get up to $1,000 back in free bets. We're on to the John Deere. We're not even going to discuss the travelers. We sucked.

We know it happens. They all can't be winners. I suck pretty much every week right now. I'm in what we call a slump in the biz. You actually are since we started this favorite bed of week. I kick your ofer. I can't get one across. I need Webb Simpson to break 80, round one.

And I'll bet the house on it. See if we get some odds on that. I need that. All right, well, we can do top 20s, top tens, head-to-head matchups, all kinds of things. Outright winners, which I don't know if we're near good enough to pick those yet, but this is where we're into. We're going to figure out who the hell is going to win this thing. Let's go. In the field at the John Deere is not the best.

This thing is wide open. Someone could come out of nowhere. You may never even heard of this guy, and he might end up hoisting the trophy at the end of it. Fantastic golf course. It's a birdie fest. It's known as the Zach Johnson and Steve Stricker invitational. Pretty much these guys absolutely kill it. but for me

I don't really don't know why I'm going with this guy it just feels right just don't think I'm done thinking about my picks I'm just going with my gut he's finished top 25 in his last two starts perfect top 25 here last year he's got my man Matt Irwin on the back and I like his odds 33 to 1 I'm going with Adam long the big headed Adam long oh my god he's got a tiny brain so there's not a lot of thought that can go on in there if the sun's shining it's harder to hit his head because it's the size of a thimble and it's like an

infant's little baby this just feels like an Adam long golf tournament It really, this is, I mean, grew up St. Louis. This is kind of right down the road from him. This kind of does feel like a long, long shot. You with me? All right. I was like I said, I'm done thinking I don't claim to be the greatest gambler. I just love to gamble, okay?

With that being said, I'm going Denny McCarthy coming out here, okay? The best putter on, who's the two guys you just mentioned that run this thing? Zach? Stricker. What do they do? Roll the rock. Roll the rock. That's why I'm going, Danny McCarthy.

Probably the best putter on tour. He had two top tens in a row at Memorial and the U.S. open leading into last week. MCD, maybe a good thing just because he's been playing a ton. He's been playing week after week after week. A little break might be something good for him. But I'm going to go with Danny McCarthy guys. It's in good for him and rolls the hell out of it.

If you're going to shoot 20 mid-20s under, which is what it's going to take. You got to make putts. I'm going to go with him. Wouldn't he one of your guys last week? I've had him within the last few weeks. Probably didn't work out for me. All right, my long shot. I'm going with the guy.

Once again, he's 45 to 1, somewhat of a dark horse there. Just a really solid player. And I feel like this is a golf course he can win at. He drives it beautifully, puts it pretty well, looking to get hot, hadn't played his best golf as a late. But Kevin Streelman going off at 45 to 1. I just think he would look good hoisting that trophy with the deer on it. He's good in the Midwest. Yeah.

All right. I got, dude, I'm not going to say shit about anybody. I grew up outside of Chicago. It's not far away. Kevin Strillman seems like a good bet. I'll probably bet it. All right, I'm going to do not a lot of thinking about this one either, being that I haven't had a lot of success. But I'm going to go with a guy, J.T. Poston, the postman, coming off a little second place, cold at the travelers.

this last week playing good golf we know he can roll it he just locked up his card for the year so he's kind of playing stress-free that stresses off his shoulders he's the guy that when he gets going i mean we've seen him go 72 holes without a bogey he this is the type of golf course he can he can get after and uh he's rounding the form so give me the postman 42 to one let's go i like it got the big cat erin fliner on the bag mhm golf subpar guest absolutely incredible what else could you need all right well see for yourself why fandal is america's number one sportsbook download the Fandul Sportsbook app and sign up using promo code subpar to get started with your no sweat, first bet up to $1,000.

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