Subpar - Frank Nobilo talks the keys to success at the Masters, a week in his life as a broadcaster

Episode Date: April 9, 2024

On this special Masters edition of GOLF's Subpar, CBS analyst Fank Nobilo joins Colt Knost and Drew Stoltz for an exclusive interview. The PGA Tour winner talks finishing fourth at the Masters, a week in the life of a broadcaster in Augusta and who he sees walking away with the green jacket this year. -- We are excited to share our listener offer from Ship Sticks, who gets you from your front door to “fore” easier than ever. They’ll pick up your golf clubs from your home or office and deliver them on time, guaranteed, to golf destinations anywhere, in and outside the U.S. No more airport headaches, no more lugging heavy bags. Just easy, stress-free travel for golfers like you.Ship Sticks. Because golf is hard enough.Use code SUBPAR or visit www.shipsticks.com/subpar to learn more and take 20% off your shipment -- Thank you to Rhoback for being the official apparel provider of GOLF’s Subpar.  Use the code “SUB” on Rhoback.com for a generous 20% off your first order.” -- Thank you to Callaway Golf for partnering with GOLF’s Subpar.  Visit www.callawaygolf.com to shop the Paradym Ai Smoke family and learn more about the line. -- GOLF’s Subpar is proud to partner with Schweppes - the official Ginger Ale and mixer of the 2024 PGA Championship.  Swing by your local grocery store to pick up Schweppes ginger ale or Schweppes’ Watermelon Mint Tonic to elevate your cocktail. -- A Special thanks to our official sponsor Zone Nicotine Pouches.  Warning: This product contains nicotine.  Nicotine is an additive chemical.  Underage sale prohibited.  Introducing Zone Nicotine Pouches - the perfect balance of unparalleled comfort - longer-lasting flavor - and nicotine that satisfies.  Whether you’re zoning in for an important putt or zoning out after a tough day at work, Zone gets you there faster and keeps you there longer.  Available in seven flavors and in six and nine milligram strengths.  Find Zone at zonepouches.com and retailers near you.  Own your zone with Zone Nicotine pouches.  -- Subscribe Now: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCt5ESUx6omMUsMoEKvMTzlA Shop The Birdie Juice Collection: https://fairwayjockey.com/collections/birdie-juice Follow Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/golf_subpar/?hl=en Follow Twitter: https://twitter.com/golf_subpar?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

All right, here we go. Welcome back to Golf Subpar with Colt Nost and Drew Stoltz. The time has come, Sleeze. It is Masters Week. We're going to get ready, get you ready for that. But before, I want to tell you about Callaway and the Chrome Tour Golf Ball family, the new gold standard in tour performance. Every detail has been optimized from cover to cover. Chrome Tour is designed for better players who want the best in distance and feel. Chrome Tour X is for the best players who want speed and ultimate control. You can visit CallawayGolf.com to shop the Chrome Tour Golf family and learn more. more about the line. I personally use the X because I need a little more distance. I like it to go a little farther. It's a fantastic golf ball.

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Let's get ready. Before we start talking about Scottie Sheffler, how he's the old roaming favorite, four and a half to one. Big shout to Akshay Batia, a friend of the program, who picked up his second PGA tour win last week at the Valero, Texas Open, in unbelievable fashion. Denny McCarthy, what did he do? Just seven in a row there to finish off the round on Sunday to get in the play with Akshay.

What do they call that? Black-tailed Ferret. That's right. Very rare. Very rare. 28 on the back nine. That thing went from, if you turned it off with nine to go, like as a snoozer, Akshs going to walk home with this, turned into an unbelievable finish. Danny McCarthy, shout out the M. 7 in a row, eight at the last nine, 28, and even more so.

Props to Occe had to think he was doing everything. Perfect to win the golf. He shot 67, 300 on the front. No, bogeys. Like, dude, just let me win this. thing going away. Denny wouldn't go away. It had to make the 13-footer on the last hole just to get a piece of that playoff. I mean, it was a gnarly finish. And then the playoff,

weird shit happened in that, too. We got shoulders being blown out. We got McCarthy laying sawed over a wedge after shooting 28. Like, there was, it was kind of a wild finish. And now, Akshay here this week. Yep. Tying it up at the Masters making his first appearance. Actually competed in the drive chip and putt. I believe the first one they had here at Augustine National. Now we'll be teeing it up in the Masters. Is it's all cool.

pounds since then. I saw the picture of him. He had a 24 waist at the time. I think he's now 25. He looks every bed of 10, 12 pounds heavier. But how about what these two guys did? Shoot 20 under par. They were nine shots ahead of third who was Roy McRoy. Yeah, that was one like Denny McCarthy, who's now been close multiple times. I had the one at Muirfield last year. Like, they were so far away better than everybody else in that field. It's, it's so cliche and corny to say, like, oh, it's a shame somebody has to lose this one here. But like, that honestly sucks. It's like, dude, you guys are so. It reminded me, Like Phil and Henrik.

Yeah. At the Open Championship a number of years ago, I was like, dude, this is just call everyone else off the golf course. Those things over. Just let these two go. It was unbelievable. They made that golf course look. Granted, the weather was good most of the time, especially the last day. That course ain't that easy.

No. That is a tough-ass golf, especially when the wind blows. But I did not think 20 under at the start of the week is what it would take to win in San Antonio. No. It's a difficult golf course that they made look pretty easy. But congratulations to both guys on a great week. Ockshire-Mette. We'll teeing it up this week.

week. Like I said, Scotty Sheffler, big favorite, but this thing is going to be awesome, man. I mean, you got the live guys getting over here, 13 of them coming over for the first major of the year, finally get to see all the best players in the world teem it up against each other. Yeah, this is what we've been waiting for. You know, A's going to have those comments. We get into it in our interview this week with Frank Doblo as well. But, like, we're on the verge of, we're teetering on the verge of if you're not a diehard golf fan, like you tune in for the majors and you don't know what's going on in between that, just like 10. And this is the first one.

And, you know, last year we had a beautiful scenario like John Rom, Brooks Kepka at the time. It was BJ Tour, Liv. You know, Phil Mickelson ended up finishing runner up in that thing. It was a nice little mix of like PJ Tour and Live guys where they got 13, 13 guys here, I believe, this week. And the good handful of them are coming in in good form. I mean, Rom, you're defending champ. You and I both, we just talked about on radio. Like, I'm shocked at one on Liv up to this point.

But I'm very excited to see what he does this week. Sergei Garcia just lost in a playoff over there on live past champions. And Joaquin Neiman's been one of the best guys in golf in the last handful of months. Yeah, it's a wide open. I mean, he takes Scotty away. It is wide open. I think one guy, we need to really keep an eye on. I just played with him the other day before he left.

Augusta National. Your man, Wyndham Clark, who is looking really good. It always stripes it. Sleeves, the one thing I took away, and I know first timers don't have the greatest track record here, but I think that could change with all these yellow. young, talented guys we have teamed up between Wyndham, Ludwig, and a few others. But Wyndham Clark, how good he chips in golf ball is just amazing.

I think with the weather forecast we're going to have where it looks like we could get a firm fast masters, and it's going to be warm, which is very good for Tiger Woods. But I think that you're going to have to lean heavily on that short game. If the greens get firm, everyone's going to miss some greens. And his chipping, man, it is special. I mean, it doesn't get a lot of love because I think his distance off the tee is what most people talk about on how hard he can hit it when he drives it well, like these big golf courses are made,

tailor made for him, but that's a short game. I mean, all you have to do is go back, look at L.A. Look at the final round. He was trying to win his first major championship, really never been in contention or been a factor at any major championship until that point. And like the handful of holes, you can go back in pinpoint where it's like, this one matter,

this is a momentum swinger, this thing, you seem to get it up and down every single time, including a couple of the best ones you've ever seen. One was at the par three, was that the 12th out there, the 11th, the long one, whatever the long one was, where his long left and hit that little,

nipper off the hard pan down there grain growing into him like it there's really not a lot of weakness in that game the only thing you could say for for windom is first timer um but i i think we're kind of getting to the point i mean ludwig's never even played a major yeah much less and like winnum's got to be one of the only guys making his debut at the masters as a major champion there can't be too many of those either yeah it's it's it's gonna be awesome we're here at augustin national right now cannot wait to get this thing going it's i think it could be one of the best masters we've had in a very long time in the weather forecast. Like I said, there's a little chance Thursday morning for some rain.

But other than that, temperatures, it looks warm. Could get this thing baked out. Talking to everybody that's been out there, I mean, it's always in fantastic shape, but everyone is saying this is the best they've ever seen it. Yeah, which is hard to believe because, I mean, we've been lucky enough to get for the last few years. Like, it's always perfect. You know what I mean?

How does it get more perfecter? It's already more perfecter. Yeah, exactly. It's already the most perfect. It's already the most perfect. It's going to be more perfecter. But let's talk about it because we have. really haven't, which is shocking because normally it dominates the headlines.

T-D-D-D up, showing up. I haven't seen him play a lot of holes. We thought, in theory, when he spoke later last year, like potentially play once a month, you know, this year hasn't really worked out that way up to this point. Thoughts, expectations on T-Dub heading into Augusta. You just never know, right? I mean, the last time we saw him was at L.A. The Genesis, and he withdrew said it wasn't because of how he was feeling physically,

not an injury-wise at least. It's more of a stomach bug. But I think he was here last week on a scouting trip, came up here Sunday, got some work in yesterday. Listen, it's going to be warm, which is huge for him. Can he win? I mean, I think we say it all the time. We've learned to not never doubt Tiger Woods.

I think it's a very tall task. Brutal golf course to walk. Nota Biggay recently came out and said, like Tiger has no mobility in his ankle. So that makes it tough, but he's Tiger Woods. I expect him to make the cut, which I believe he will break a record. I think it's like 26 straight. If he does make it, I believe he will make the cut.

Will he win? No, I'm looking maybe around 20th. I think 20th would be spectacular. I think that would be a spectacular showing from A, and the fact that he hasn't played much competitive golf at all in a long time. B, the way that Scotty, some of these other guys are playing coming in and see just the physical toll of this golf course, even more so than the other ones, right? We saw him get around at the hero.

That was great. That's when we got ambitious. We're like, oh, maybe he can play once a month. Maybe we'll actually see that. Haven't seen it since then. I just like, I would love nothing more. Nothing more. Every golf fan would love nothing more for him to like matter somehow on a Sunday.

It would be spectacular. But realistically, deep down in my brain, do I think he can play a role? I don't know. Like you said, I think it's a very, very long shot. He has Tiger Woods, so he's different. You throw everything out the window. But I would be shocked just because this place just, I mean, look at what we've seen in the years past. Like by the time he finishes, he looks like he can barely get around.

He's using the club as cane and stuff. It just feels like a tall task. But I would really, really hope. And I do think he'll play until the weekend. He's fresher Thursday, Friday. I think he'll be around on the weekend, smaller field, big cut. And I think that's a win, honestly, at this point. It's going to be awesome.

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My man over at CBBS Sports has been calling the Masters for a number of years. Finished fourth back in 1996 here at the Masters, the one, the only, Frank Naubelo. He's a good one. He's such a beaut. We need to get him too. This is a spectacular interview, Master's preview, but we do need one day where we're all in the same place at the same time, maybe have a couple pops, have a couple Schweps and talk it out.

He's one of my favorites. Let's get to it. Here's Frank Nabilo on Subpar. Okay, what a pleasure it is to talk to the man we have with us here today. He is a very accomplished golfer turned extremely well-respected golf broadcaster. A lot of people out there will say that he is the brains of the operation over at CBS Golf. Frank Naubelo is with us. Brains, how are you, bud? This is the, we're doing this on April 1, right? So I actually thought this is an April

false joke. So you're saying this is legit. This is actually happening. It's actually over now. We got you, bitch. We had, we had 45 guests lined up and they all canceled. So you were number 46. We got you. I still don't believe you. I actually think this is an April false joke. But anyway, please continue and I'll see how long it goes. Well, it's a pleasure to have you. You don't do a lot of these, Frank. You kind of You're very elusive in the podcast game. So it's a privilege to have you. No, well, thank you.

I have a sign on my door outside, which is please don't come in. So I live in Herman. And I'm very proud of it. I love that. That's beautiful. What a beauty art. Frank, I haven't seen you in like six, seven weeks. I've actually kind of missed you. Do you, are you now, is that an April Fool's joke?

Yeah, maybe. We might not be able to get through any, like, sincere questions during this thing. No, you know, I got to think, God, I have missed you. because we haven't even, I think the last time we texted was about a week and a half ago. So it's like being, I'm suffering from withdrawal. I really am. Well, you're about to get a lot of me, bud, because I think we're doing like 15 of the next 17 weeks or something like that. So let's check back in a couple of months and see if you still feel that way.

Good question. Did you send him the picture of the doppelganger? Was that the last correspondence? Drew, you've got to tell everybody about that. Every time Colt gets out of line. You know, everyone's going to have like a little hook that you can bring him back in. And of course, he's the youngest of the team. So every now he'll go a little rogue.

So I can't give you my sources, but I found the perfect doppelganger. And you have to release the picture. And it's an angel's bat boy. And it's called it's denied it. But somehow he is an angel's bad boy. And the picture is living proof. Huge Angels family there. A lot of people didn't know that that's what Colt did before he got in the Gulf

broadcast. He was the bat boy for the angels. Never talks about the Angels. Keeps tucked. That's a great picture. I have it. be released at the right time. God bless you, Frank. That's going to bite me in the ass. I don't like that picture at all. But anyways, Frank, you know, seriously, since I've gotten into the broadcast

world, you know, you have been, I hate to say nice things about you, but you have been such a huge help to me. I have so much fun working with you. But for me, Sleaves and I talk about this all the time. We played professional golf. All of us did. And you really never thought about having a plan B, right? You thought you're just going to play golf forever, right off into the sunset. At what point did you ever think you would end up in the TV world? It was a, it's a great question. because you're absolutely right I think when you get into sport for a living first and foremost you can't have a plan B otherwise you shouldn't be and wouldn't be doing exactly what you're doing golf takes so much out of your life you know you live and

dream it every time you three-put you go to bed and you throw up and you know like you get an audit yourself and you're gonna do it again the next day and every time you play well it's great you think it's gonna last forever and it only last for a day and every time you play bad you think that's gonna last forever so it's this all encompassing game and then all of a sudden it's like stop so for me i i nearly spent a year on the couch in uh 2003 i was driving my wife crazy and through i was with i mg and i just got a call did you think about golf broadcaster and it was a unequivocal no that was it but i was lucky golf channel was just down the road 20

minutes away from where i live in orlando and it was an opportunity i still thought i was young young enough, I still love the game. And the next best seat, as you can testify to, is broadcasting. So once I got into it, I realized that it was still really what I'd spent my whole life. And you just learn, I think, through osmosis, I was lucky to sit next to a lot of good people from Peter Ellis to Jim Kelly, you know, whether it's another guy that's helped you a lot, cult too, Gary McCord, you know, Costas, they were at CBS before, the gym nances in the world with Steve Sands, whatever, you just, you keep working with people. And it's, you either get

better or you get out of the industry. What do you remember, but what was your first broadcast and what, how would you critique Frank Noblo today? How would you critique Frank Nablot of that time? I was horrible. I was, so nothing's changed. No, no, exactly. I was lucky. My first ever producer was Keith Hirschler and that's going to rub a few people up the wrong way because he works in the live tour now but he was he's a great producer he really is and uh kurt baron for example also worked under him and and he taught you some basic rules you know i remember one of them just straight out of the gate and i told colt that too if you have something more important than the shot being hit you should get another job and and it's it was delivered actually stronger than that and

And it's still a great thing because if I'm watching golf, I want to still want to see and I want to hear the ball coming off the clock face. And I know it drives viewers crazy because that's how they play too, right? You don't talk when you're hitting. You can talk in between, grab your cell phone and whatever. But when one of us is playing, there's just a moment of silence. And we break that a lot. I know rules are meant to be broken, but that's like the Cardinal rule in broadcasting. And I broke it straight away.

But Keith told me on day one and he told me on day two and day three. And also the other thing that I really screwed up on is I always saw the golf course, presumably you guys the same, from the team ground to the green. And so when I did my preparation, the right bunker was on the right hand side and the left bunker was on the left side. And it didn't even twig on me. And I have trouble with directions is that TV flips it around and you see it from the tower back.

So when I look down the fairway and I'm like, I almost felt dyslexic, I'm like, the bunker is on the player's right, but it's on the viewers left. What do I say? And I literally just froze. I was in a three-man booth with Jim Kelly and Mark Rolfing. And it was horrible because I'm like, it's on the left, but it's the players right. Honestly, didn't know what to say. And so Jim Kelly, who did this day is still a good friend. He goes, we're going to go out for dinner. And we got horribly drunk. And he kept asking me why I like quit after about 45 minutes. And I said, I didn't. I didn't. So we hit some more. And then eventually, I said, well, I don't get it. And I explained him the problem I was having with TV.

And then he said, it'll be better tomorrow. And I'm like, well, I can't be any worse. And the next day, it was better. And we went out again. And he goes, it was better. Do you know why? And I couldn't figure out why. And what he did, and it was very, very clever,

he would put my name at the start of the sentence. And he would speak for about seven or eight seconds. So it allowed me to just get my thoughts around, hey, Frank, we're at 13. I know you're like this whole, you know, from the player's point of view. where is it? And I'd say, oh, bunker on the right, left, and whatever. And it just allowed me to straighten up my thoughts. And to be honest, between Keith and Jim, they got me through my first year, and I'm forever thankful. Yeah, I mean, you do a great job. But at what point did you

come up with the rule that I'm only allowed to make fun of you as long as it's your whole, even though you break it all the time? I don't break it all the time. No, cold has a habit of, say for example at CBS I have 610 13 and 16 so colt will on 14 for example which is Ian Baker Fincher's hole cult will say something at me and I feel it's rude to come back because it's Ian's hole right I don't want to jump in it and he would the first year he would deliberately do it even though well I guess he didn't know he would keep doing it on somebody else's hole and they keep looking at me I'm like no no just go ahead it's your hole sort of thing and then in commercial we go well you didn't come back at me and I said well you

keep doing it on somebody else's hall. I don't want to, like, come back at you on somebody else's home. Well, it's like a sucker punch. You just punch somebody and then run away. They don't have a chance to punch back. So he tells me this rule. So now I start to follow it. And then Harbor Town last year, going to commercial, it's Frank. And he talks about my dingy. Yeah, well, I mean, yeah. Yeah, that's wrong with topic. That was honestly one of the funniest things I've ever heard. He goes, look at all those boats and Colts Dingy. And they go to commercial. I'm like, what the, what the, what was that? Yeah, but that's going to commercial. That's different. That's painting effectual. That's right. Yeah, I appreciated that. And rules are meant to be

broken, providing you know the rules. It's fair. I don't even know what a dingy was, but when you said that, I was like, I know which boat is a dingy. I know straight off. I didn't know shit about boats. A little bit bigger than a canoe. Yeah, just barely big enough for one person to get in. Yeah, it's beautiful. Yeah, it was beautiful. What did you, you start in the broadcast game, you're done playing golf, getting the broadcast. Then you move into the studio. How do you like the studio game compared to like the live golf, Kong golf shots? I've always, you know, my career stopped shorter than I thought, Drew. I guess everybody says that.

So for me, there was a lot of unfinished business, and there's nothing wrong with the studio, but I still like to watch the best players in the will play golf. And, you know, we walk along the range, and we'll talk about someone's, you know, just the way in which they swim or they strike. You know, there's always a player that you stop and you go, who was that? You just hear the sound of the ball. so for me that was always captivating that was the best part of our goal just seeing a shot get hit and the sound of it being absolutely flushed and there's a few that really stand out you know hendrick stenson in his day obviously tiger woods Dustin Johnson you know Rory mackerel with those guys you just stopped Victor hovlin last year and it was just such a hard hit and that to me was what I missed and just seeing if you can't play alongside them just maybe watch them so for me

Something deep down was always, if I'm going to do televised golf, I'd rather do live golf. But I was lucky when I first started at the golf channel, they started a show called LiveRome. And I got to learn some of the things that you do in Studio Golf that are different to LiveGol. And I was lucky. I had a little bit of both so you didn't get bored. And there was Champions Tour or Regular Tour or Studio. So I think that was a way to try and hopefully develop some skills, the same way you would learn to play golf. you'll hopefully hit it a little long way you'll learn to chirp you learn to part you know

and hit some bunker shots so many different departments of the game you got to show off that arm too throwing those golf balls yeah you were nice with the ball tossing yeah well that not to sort of bring that up again but initially i would chip the shot or you know hit the shot and then i'm like well hang on a minute we're talking about the best players in the world they don't have the luxury of a redo and i remember one that comes to mind it was 2011 PJ championship at Atlanta Athletic Club where Kiggin Bradley won. Tiger Woods misses the cut. I think it's the 11th hole that's par four.

He was in the left side bunker. And he thins the event that goes in the lake. So in those days, I used to do what was called recreation. So you'd go out and you'd find like a key shot that determined either somebody winning the tournament or costing it. So I'm in a jacket and tie. I've got a literally they grabbed a sand iron from Love Wedge sand iron, I think, put it.

From the pro shop, still got the price tag on it. I've, you know, still got plastic on the grip. They got, like, three golf balls, and they put me in the left bunker, and they're going to throw to me, I'm taping it, it's not live, fortunately. And, you know, they put it on the downslope. It's not really good. And I hit shot it for a couple of months, and I get in there, you know, like I said, jacket and tie on, and I give it, wham.

And I hit it to, like, two feet. And I go, you can't use it. You can't use it. Can't do it. And they go, no, no, it's great. I said, no, no, you're going to embarrass Tiger Woods. Yeah. You can't do it that way.

And so, you know, you're trying, you're trying to tell the viewer exactly the shot he has. And every again, you'll pull her off. I mean, it wasn't his best shot. So we managed to do the shot and explain the line and do it. And then after a while, I'm thinking, like, well, if I can redo it and then just try and hit a good shot, then what are you really trying to achieve? You're just trying to say, hey, look, I can still hit a shot or all. So the message is wrong. So then I just started throwing balls.

And then that way, that was my break or delineation from the players actually hitting the shots themselves. I love it. You're really good at it. Thank you. I thought that was the best way to do it. Yeah, it was great. You were nice, nice with the ball tossing. All right, before we get back to Frank Nabo, I want to give a big shout out to our guys over at Roebuck. So, ladies, I got the hoodie on, got the green on. It is Masters Week. Love me some hoodies. These are the most comfortable hoodies in the game. Everything they do is fantastic. Their performance polos, performance hoodies, performance kewps.

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Just SUV at Roeback. You get 20% off all polos, hoodies, and Q-Zips with code sub. Back to Frank Nobalo. We're getting ready for the Masters. You'll be heading to Augusta very shortly. You had a very nice finish there in 96, a very memorable. master's actually too, the one that Greg Norman famously had a disaster. But you finished fourth back in 96. Yeah, there was only four people playing that year. Makes sense.

Yeah, actually, I bogeed the last, otherwise you always remember that, don't you? Nicholson finished third. But yeah, that was such a weird one because they hadn't actually, they weren't using the top 50 of the world rankings. You know, and everybody's talking about world rankings and all that. You don't have to go back that far when the majors weren't doing that. So a lot of foreign players and I don't really sort of just got onto the PJ tour. We couldn't get into the Masters unless you had a really good finish in a major championship. And I played well in the US Open the year before and got in it. And it goes on that way.

But I do remember that because two things actually. Greg Norman had helped me with golf shafts. And I changed to rifle shafts in the early 90s. And then you fast forward in 1996, and Greg had gone back to true temper, the X-100, I think it was. And remember when he had chances to win a lot of majors, he used to hit the shot that would just a spinner, would go up in the air, or like to pull it or block it at Augusta in 1986's final hole. And he had missed a couple of cuts. I don't know, it was either two or three cuts going into Augustine National trying to get used to the new equipment.

And then the first day he shoots 63. He was more than capable of shooting scores like that. and then the story came about he's going to win the master's right because the lead kept going after day two then after day three he sleeps on a big lead and I remember seeing him on the range matter of fact was the first time I ever played with David Deval

and that's when I knew Deval was going to be great as well and I remember just seeing him just say good luck that's all you do you don't I didn't expect him to lose I didn't know what was going to happen that day and everybody talks about the roars at Augusta National

but the deathly quiet is worse especially if you're playing well because it's a terrible analogy but it's like a funeral position you hear a groan and the groans carry around just like the rules and it's suffocating

and you just knew something bad was happening and you look up at the leaderboard every now and again and the number would change downward and it was actually the first stint I ever had on TV because I just finished and I missed Norman's chip

on 15 the Eagle chip that just misses and I sat right next to Peter Alice and Norman was on the 16th T and I remember Peter Alice going what does he have to do and I'm like it's never over till it's over right just hit something in the middle of green you know I know fellow has the lead you know no one's perfect and then he hit probably the worst shot I've ever seen of it in his life right back right in the middle of the pond but it was uh it's golf isn't it's a disaster when somebody loses from a big big league like that somebody's got to win But if it's happened more than once, it'll happen again.

It's just, it happened to him quite a bit. Yeah, he ain't the only one, especially around that place. They can jump up and bite you. I want to stay kind of on the master's slash broadcast topic here for just a minute because Paul Ezinger recently made some comments about the state of golf that I found interesting. He basically said that golf is in danger of becoming like tennis, where people tune in for the major championships and then have basically no idea what's going on in between those events. Do you find that there's truth in that with the state of golf right now?

Yeah, I do. I'm sad when I think about it too. I think we're going to have a great masters first and foremost because it is going to be like a clash of the Titans. Stating the obvious, we have two rival tours. The only time we're going to see the best players in the world together are at the four major championships. Our sport isn't big enough. If you look at NFL, you have your different conferences going on. But then they meet. They meet at the Super Bowl. But it doesn't, because you know that's going to happen, you still watch the preseason games, you watch the season games, you watch the playoff games. Because we've got this massive rip, the talk always becomes about money. And I think we're in a society right now where

not everybody has a job, people struggling to pay their bills. And they don't like it when people are talking about we deserve more. Because that's something, I need a job. And they love the game too. So they might have been fired or hard. And they just go, oh, he got even more money. Or he got even more money and I'm like well I thought golf was this really pure game where anybody can play you know boy girl them know how old you are young or old you can play we're all talking about what a great game it is but then we just kept talking about money and the tour was about legacy supposedly and then all that's happened the last two years on the other on the PJ tour tour signature events we used to see these beautiful bits like you know Stephen Yeager in the weekend I thought was a great story Chris Kirk was a great

story. We've had a lot of great stories. We actually've had very few top players wanting, but they start off on a Thursday and then it just embroils into this beautiful, I don't know, sort of picture that comes Sunday and we crown a champion. But now, you know, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday is all about, well, is everything except actually the tournament itself. And I think it's just plain fatigue. So, yeah, I would agree with Aisinger in that. Yeah. And I think it's kind of pushed a lot of golf, like the average golf fan away. I mean, you see, like, it's unfortunate. Like, ratings are down right now.

And that could be because we don't have the stars playing as well as they want. I mean, Scotty's been doing everything he can. But ratings are down. I think a lot of people are really frustrated with it. Like, listen, I'm tired of hearing all y'all talk about money. I just want to watch good golf. But right now, it's divided. And in your opinion, what's the end result with all this?

That's the crystal ball, isn't it? Our sport isn't big enough. it isn't big enough. So there has to be some sort of unity. And I would imagine it has to be some sort of, it has to be the PJ tour taking a step backwards and accepting a deal. And I know that's not something that people would sit nicely on people, but this is like a world takeover.

It's not a business proposition. The PIF fund, it's nearly a trillion dollars now. It's involved in so many other sports. And we've all heard the terminology that everyone, everybody's used. But in the end, you have these people that really aren't interested in profit. They're interested in being involved in the game. So they're not going to turn away. So you either get into bed with them and try and resurrect what makes golf great from a, from a professional point of view, and just start a new battle plan, so to speak, with them involved.

Either that or we just stay splinter. And, you know, you and I've talked about it. I don't like non-cut events. Yeah. I just, you know, I know people, they want to guarantee seeing the best players playing the weekend,

but nobody wants to see one of the best players in the world really struggling in their weekend. So on theory, it's great, smaller fields, and we'll get to see

the best players in the world. But they tried that already with World Golf Championship events. It didn't work. Dural, for example, what used to be one of the biggest tournaments on the, on the East Coast Swing.

That was actually when a lot of foreign players would come across. And the Wednesdays at Dorell were incredible in those days. It was like a party. It was this clash of South American culture and all that. The food was great. All the sports stars would come out. Wednesday, you would have a crowd that any Sunday would be happy with.

And then Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday was phenomenal as well. It was a great vibe. And then they turned into a World Gold Championship event. Wednesday was dead. And Thursday, it spilled over and that. That wasn't as good. Sunday wasn't as good. And I just think the beauty of the game, we keep talking.

talking about it is that, you know, maybe the fields are too big. Don't get me wrong. Maybe 156 or 144 is too many. But still, the cut, you've got to grind, the work factor, and then you earn your money. And I think judging by people over the last 20, 30 years, they, they enjoy that. I know I did. Yeah, I'm with you. Like, I just feel like when there's these no cut events, there's no buzz early in the week, like you said. It's like, oh, we'll just see what happens on Sunday. I am with you 100% on you've got to have a cut in my opinion. We talked last year. You look at what's now called the signature events.

You look at all of them last year before they made this. They all had a cut. They were all the size. And they were incredible. They were some of the most exciting tournaments we had all year. Like, I don't understand why we don't go to a 100 or 120 man field, cut to 60. And I think it would be just a total game changer because I think the world loves watching the underdogs go against the superstars. I mean, we always bring up solid.

Look at NC State right now in the Final Four. Like people are rallying around them. They're not supposed to be there. Awesome. I mean, we always bring up Phoenix year before last one, saw a thagal. I got a sponsor exemption. No one knew who he was.

And there he is in the last group, battling Scotty Schaeffler and Patrick Cantlay. No one knew he was, but the whole place was rooting for him. And now he's one of the most popular players on the PGA tour. Yeah, you nailed it. The, I think the other part of it, too, is that,

Drew, and I know you mentioned basketball, for example, with that team sports, right? You can have a player down. but it's really, you know, how good are the other four on the basketball court, right? You know, with golf, anybody on one particular day, like the match play, for example, can shoot 68, 67, and the star shoots 70, that's not bad, but the star would go packing, right?

So the lesser-known player excelled that day, and he gets to the top of the list, or he's the first story that you read the next day. Those are the stories that were always embedded in the event. And two, sometimes when you saw a star on the cut line, I remember last year at Riviera, you were following Tiger Woods's group. And the big story was Friday, can Tiger Woods make the cut? Well, it turned into two stories because he ground like hell and he made the cut. And then remember on Saturday he shot a great score.

And all of a sudden sort of forced his weight, at least into the conversation events. So golf tournaments are four days. That's what we're trying to sell. So to me, there should be a story on Thursday. That's the stars coming in. There should be a story on Friday night. And you need to have a cut on Friday night. So the field size has to be big enough so that we can at least put a bowl in it.

And then you've got, oh, who made it, who didn't? And then it sets up Saturday, which sets up Sunday. That's what we've done. But now we either have these inflated field sizes that are way too big. You saw that in Phoenix where they didn't finish on Thursday. They didn't finish on Friday. And they didn't finish on Saturday. So therefore, you're struggling to play catch up.

Either that or you go to a crazy low number of Lake Bay Hill, which is just not enough players, in my opinion. Yeah, and that's what's so confusing is like when Liv first announced, you know, became a thing. It was like, are we going to have small fields, no cuts, huge purses. And everyone that was like, PJ tourback was like, that stinks. This is what makes the PJ tour great, right? Everybody can win. We got cuts. You got to earn it, all that stuff.

And it's like, the reaction to that as they've become real competition has been like, okay, we're going to go to limited fields, no cuts, huge purses. It's almost like a mirror image of what you said you didn't like initially. Yeah, I mean, you did right. That to me was the most asinine thing that I've ever seen, is that, yeah, this is terrible. We're all about legacy, but we're actually going to do exactly the same. Exactly. Yeah.

It's contradictory, in my opinion. Hopefully, I know we could talk about this for hours, but hopefully we get all past this. We see the best players playing against each other more often, but I'm very excited for this week's Masters. Like you said, first time we're going to see them all come together. I think there's going to be a lot of buildup going into this thing, but you're going to be on the call for CBS there.

Just tell listeners at home, like what the week is like for you at the Masters preparing for the broadcast? Well, it's weird from the point of view that we haven't been on the air for more than six weeks. But unbiased, we have a really good group of people. And that's top to bottom. And that's from Shaw McMannis. This will be his last master's all the way down to someone carrying an umbrella. Top to bottom. Everybody sort of puts in their full work that week.

We get spoiled as announcers with statuticians and all the help that is needed. We have a phenomenal director in Steve Milton, so we get the best pictures in the business. They're audio's phenomenal. And we have a producer that's just an absolute golfaholic and sell a shot. So we have all the tools to have it started. And we get to broadcast the tournament that the viewer at home is, I mean, they just know. If you say 12, they know it's a par three. Selfishly, obviously, it's one of the holes that I get to do.

If you say 15, they instantly think of a par five. So it's a little bit different for us when we're announcing because you don't want to tell people the information because they've watched for so many years that they already know. So somehow you have to try and add a little bit of new flavor into it. But also just maybe take a step back because they know the golf course so well, we don't have to just sort of beat them to death with stats about the hole. Just maybe add if it's changed a bit. So the course itself is near perfect visually on TV. It doesn't matter if it rains or it's sunny. It just looks so great on TV.

And then you realize that you're part of something that's special. It's the only major, state in the obvious, with the same venue. And you get to, as we would say, crown a champion. And everybody just gets up for it. And it starts a great run for us basically all the way through till the start of the playoffs. So you would think people get stale. But, you know, we have a great clan. We get together.

If somebody's down, we get picked up. And it's the same in the broadcast. It's going to be bittersweet this year, though. Vern Lindquist will say goodbye for the last time. I always call him Uncle Fester. And, you know, his voice is just great. And he's, you learn from him, too, because he's a minimalist. His best calls are often just three or four words long.

Yeah. So you still learn every time you go there. But I don't know. It can't but be anything than great. And there's players that I miss seeing. Brooks Kepka, I remember seeing him for the first time again last year and he was leading after 50 were holes. DeShambo, you love and I happen to like what he does for the game

because he makes you think. He's a little bit of a villain, but even now, like the other day, he's trying a reduced speed golf ball. I think it's good. He would do stuff like that. He'd make you ask questions. So there's some players that I'm really looking forward to see. played next week. You mentioned Vern Lundquist. I saw he just did an interview with Sirius XM.

He said he wants to do three things at his last masters. He said spend time with Jack Nicholas, Tiger Woods, and he said he's never met Scotty Sheffler. That blew me away. Wow. I thought Vern. Yeah, I guess you see Vern. He doesn't, he's not as mobile as it used to be. So if he's not in an area where the players around, but he didn't want to pat on the back. if you listen to his sign off on basketball, it was so respectful to the sport. And that's what I like about that generation of announcers where you,

and you learn from them. It was all about the job, like Vince Gulling, right? It was about calling Dodgers baseball games. It wasn't about Vince Guller. And Vern's pretty much the same thing. He's very thankful for what he's been involved in.

And as a viewer, I remember his voice from New Zealand as a kid growing up. So when you got to sit next to him and you heard it, was like this Bern Lindquist, his voice just, great pipes. Unbelievable. Great pipes. You can recognize it anywhere, anytime you just hear it. Like, oh, that's Vern.

And I know this being his last year, it's going to be strange going forward, not hearing him on that. But personally, one of the things I'm looking forward to most this year on the broadcast is like the farewell. I'm sure there'll be a farewell for Vern where he'll get to speak. And I'm sure he'll be a minimalist, like you said. But like, I love those sort of things. Like when Nick went out, right?

And he was done. Like those sort of things. I like hearing from the guy. that we've, like you said, become synonymous with that golf tournament over so many years. I think Vern is spectacular. Yeah, it should be a proper send off. But you're right. You know, Feldo was hard.

That was at Greensboro. And they never scripted it. So we don't know how emotional Vern's going to be. I didn't expect Nick to be as emotional as it was. I'm thankful that I was part of it. I thought it's been a back as a backbencher, so to speak. It was nice of sellers to put all four of us up on the desk. and then it just, it became this beautiful moment.

And if you know, Nick, a lot of people thought that it was just about him and his golf. And he would always use this phrase, the workers. And it just came out wrong, but no one ever realized what he was meaning to. And if you go back and watch it to and listen to it, and he almost points to the camera and goes, the workers. And basically goes, nothing gets done without them. And it was, you know, he's an only child. I think once you get to know people like that, you see a different side to them. And I love working alongside them.

Trevor's doing a great job too. But, yeah, the sign-offs are hard, the hard win you're part of them. Because they bring up the emotional part we often put aside. And it just brings back memories, some funny moments, some sad moments. And it'll be the same with them because he's just being part of so many great masters if you go back through the list of champions that he's called. Everybody remembers the Tiger Woods chip in on 16, but, you know, Jack Nicholas, there's like a Vern moment in so many great masters. So, yeah, I hope it gets another great call this year.

Me too. It's going to be awesome. Sad to see him go, but what a run. It's been for him. All right, before we get back to our interview, a quick break to tell you that if you haven't done it yet, go check out our YouTube page. It's golf underscore subpar. We've got some new content coming up at the ASU facility. We're going to have some more stuff coming out as the year goes on. So if you haven't yet, go to YouTube. subscribe golf underscore subpar and now back to our interview i want to go to a couple of your holes

at augustin national because i mean you're sitting right there you got 11 and 12 and the 12th i want to go back to 2016 you're on the call jordan speith got this massive lead as he heads towards the second nine give me a little what was going through your mind when you see jordan spith just have a disaster there on 12 well colt knows the true story yeah because he knows i screwed up on that really I was doing two jobs. I was doing live from as well. And I learned a lesson there too. I never thought that I played the 12th in the tournament situation.

I just never thought it would be in a pivotal hole. And I was lucky. I was saved by Baker Fernshanfielder really there because I got all my papers there and I'm ready to last group's coming through. You know, Jordan looks like he's going to win his second green jacket. And it had rained overnight, remember? So there'd been a lot of rain. And the reason why I say that, you'll get it in a few minutes.

But the, you know, I've got my papers and like I've got Jordan. I can basically do everything by memory from now. I've got to be ready because then I'm going to go and I'm going to jump at a golf cart. I'm going to watch the rest of the broadcasts and get ready for life wrong. And Jordan's on the team. He sort of flicks around and you can see the pine trees just starting to waft a little bit. And the flag is we always know where it is. It's on that right side.

And you could just see Jordan aiming in the middle, but it was one of those moments. He's got a lead. He thought, you know, maybe if I just let it ride the wind a little bit, maybe I can hit it close. And he just comes out of it, hits it and Rays Creek. And you have two options, well, three options. You can re-tee if you want it to. Nobody really does that. Go to the drop zone.

And the drop zone's terrible because it's wet. So he proceeds to go to the right. And I'm like, I don't think I've ever seen anyone go that far right. And you're thinking, well, to be honest, I hadn't checked that area. and I'm like, it could be swampy around there, could be really mushy, like, why is he going there? And so then we literally just got into a three-way golf discussion, and the camera just stayed with us. And that part I thought was good, because it was, Valde-Bake attention to myself, just talking golf in this situation right there and then, number one, what could be going through his mind? But number two, how important this decision is where he drops it, let alone the next shot that he hits.

and it just unfolded. And then it became like the quickest seven I've ever seen. And back, it was Danny Willett's Masters after that. Jordan still finished second. But it was weird. You never stop learning when you're broadcasting. And you try and make as few mistakes as you can. But it was one of those ones where you think it's just going to cruise along.

And then before you know it, the unexpected happened. But yeah, it was bizarre. It's crazy. Some of the disasters. I believe didn't Tiger make. 10 there one year? He might have actually. Yeah, I think he, was it 10?

I think he was a big. I'm pretty sure he made 10. He boned it from the back bunker into the Reds Creek. A couple of things. Yeah. Why Scott has the record, though. What is it? And then to remind, yeah, I think it's 13.

He made 13 there. Sorry. Sorry, Tom. Yeah. It can sneak up on you. Being that you have so much time on that hole, can you go ahead and explain for all the players that we'll be listening to this leading up to Masters week,

how to figure out the wind on that hole? That's exactly how to do it. No, you can't. Even when I play Drew, I heard different things. Tom Watson said, look at the flag on 11. And then you'd see the flag going this way on 11, and then the flag's going this way on 12. So you go, well, you should use the flag on 11

because the breeze comes over the hill. But to give people at home an example, when I go out and get ready, I'll walk down the 11th, especially on a windy day. Because one or two things is happening. You're either hear the wind. and can't feel it, or you can feel it and can't hear it, because it's weird how it comes in over there.

And that's like a little eddy effect. And that's what happened to 2019. I know it's five years removed since Tiger Woods's last master's, but when they played early on the Sunday. And because normally the weather sort of settles a bit later in the afternoon, they're now coming around this period around 11 o'clock. And that's when it's starting to get a little warmer, so the breezes are getting a little more fickle.

And I remember talking to Faldo. We had just a back and forth. I said, you're not going to believe it. The breeze has changed. Like, literally, within five or ten minutes when those final two groups were coming. And then everything happened. You know, Kepka hit in the water. He had it in the water.

Finau hit in the water. Molinar hit it in the water. And the rest was history. So, yeah, you can overthink it to answer your question. But there's just a few things that affected. The size of those pine trees behind the green, they're so tall, like a skyscraper effect. And if the ball gets above them or the height with them,

it just, anything can happen. The players normally that hit it down a little bit and just sort of, you know, two-thirds to height of those trees seem to do a little better. And sadly, you have to be conservative. Three will never, ever hurt you on 12. No, it's such a beautiful.

I've only played one round there, but just to speak on the win there. We had like a 15-mile-an-hour win that day. And the same thing. I always heard, you know, you look at 11. Well, 11 was dead into the win. We get to 12, in the caddy that was with me, he's been there for a long time.

He goes, listen, I know you probably think it's into the wind, but let me tell you how this is going to work. It comes over those trees. It hits the trees on the left and actually spins, and it's going to play downwind. And I go, I just looked at him like he had four heads. I'm like, what the hell are you talking about? Just tell me how far to hit this thing.

It was wild. I don't think you can ever feel 100% confident where the wind is on that tee. No, but I'm going to throw you, not under the bus. That's ought to be good. You had a chance to stay in the crow's nest as a reigning US Am and a champion. I know we've talked about that decision before. Are you still okay with it now? Because I think you were the last U.S.

Amateur champion that turned professional before the Masters. This isn't about me, Frank. This is about you. I know. I think it's good for people. I want to hear you talk about it again. It's interesting because I'd never stepped foot on the grounds until I went there in 2021 for the broadcast.

It was the first time I'd ever been there. And I think that was the first time when I, it was because, yeah, 2021, we had limited patrons, I believe, right? So, I mean, for me being the first time there, I went out by myself and walked all 18 holes, one through 18, first time I've ever seen it. And I think that's the first time it ever hit me. And I was like, damn, this sucks. Like, I wish I would have teed it up now. But at the time, it was definitely the right decision. But now going there and covering the event, you realize how special. I always knew the place was special. But once you go there and you get

to experience it, and obviously, I mean, we get to, we have, we have an unbelievable access around there to once you see it in person and be around it, I think it totally probably changed my mind. I think that's good for future US eminent champions. Yeah. I mean, it's tough, right? I mean, like, look, I wanted to play professional golf. The timing was right for me.

But yeah, you obviously think you're going to tee it up in one eventually as well. My career didn't go the way I wanted. But I'll say, like, I walked at the first nine, and then when I walked over the hill on 11 and, you know, saw the green down looking towards 12, it's like the most beautiful thing I've ever seen. And that's when it all like was like, damn, this would have been rather cool. I still blame Zach Johnson, though. I told him, if Tiger was defending

champion, I probably would a state amateur. Yeah, it wasn't that sweet of a pair. I was like, I play golf kind of like he does, short, straight, whatever, no big deal. I don't want to see that. But yeah, it's tough, but it's cool that I still get to go back every year now and be a part of the broadcast because it is truly a special place.

Yeah, you will for many of you. Yeah. You would have dominated that place, too. I have walked up into the crow's nest. Those steps going up there are dangerous. I might have into my career earlier than I already did if I had to walk up and down those things every night. It's a truly a special place, though. You want to give us a, since this is the master's preview, Frank,

you're the man. Do you want to give us a prediction on a winner, not named Scotty Schaeffler? Not named Scotty Sheffler. Yeah, he's out of the West. Yeah, it's a bit like a Tiger Wood there, isn't it? Exactly. I'm curious how Ron plays.

as a defending champion. Obviously, we haven't seen him play. There's more question marks this year because some of the players that would normally be in the conversation haven't seen enough of their goal. The Rory McElroy question comes up each and every year. I would be surprised, to be honest,

I just think there's been a lot on his plate and it just seems to be, obviously he finishes, if he wins, it's the Grand Slam, but if he gets in contention, it's just a minefield. If he shoots a half. decent score the first day, then I think it's the conversation just goes day after day after day.

So, Speeth has it. Speeth normally plays well there, but hasn't played great. Justin Thomas hasn't played great. Fee now, even if you say how he played last week. It's sort of like a masters of 10 or 15 years ago where you go in with too many questions, not enough guys playing well, and you would think, oh, okay, it's going to be Scotty Sheffler and whatever, but, you know, golf is this weird game. about what makes it great, you really can find lightning in a bottle.

So I don't think it's going to be like a 40-year-old Justin Rose type. Wouldn't be surprised to see that type of player in the middle. But, you know, who was I think about the other day? Wyndham Clark is a weird one. Because very rarely do you get a player playing in the Masters for the first time that actually has a chance to win? and he would be the first since Fuzzy Zeller in 70. And I know he heard his back the other day,

but Wyndham's name just keeps popping up. I love the way he hits the ball. He can put it. He's a great chipper. It's obviously long enough. I know people will say he likes to fly out left or right, but judging by my spies, like everybody has spies that have been at a golf course

the last couple of weeks, it's perfect. Golf course is perfect, playing a little soft at the moment. They can obviously firm it up. Lent is a huge advantage. Jack Nicholas used to cut it. very really try to turn it over there i think if windham doesn't try and tweak the game i'd be very surprised if he's not in the hunt and zellatoris too pops up you know he's yeah he is so i guess

if it's not scotty shephler then hey don't bet don't beat your house on it but i guess i'm looking at windham clark and uh and zellotas i think outside of scotty like it's his wide like take him off the table he's like tiger was back in the day but like after that it's like pick your pick in it there's a ton of guys but it's clearly scotty and then everyone else well Cameron smith's got a great record around but once again i haven't seen cam play for a couple of years well you know sporadically last year so you just don't know what sort of form they're going to come up with it they're every bit as good that's for sure you know and ram as a defending champion you'd like to think he's going to put the homework in um you know kepka he's a bit to prove from last year

obviously the way in which he played the PGA Championship was just brilliant. Yeah, Deschambo doesn't have a good record there. It's best finished, I think it's still 2016 when he's an amateur. So some people think it's a tough fit. But that's why I think it's a great master's. I don't like it when it's logical. You have the top five or ten players in the world playing well, so it's going to be one of those. I like the fact that it could be, like I said, a first time for the first time since Fuzzy Zeller and Windham Clark.

I really like the fact that that is a legitimate. legitimate possibility this year. Yeah, even Ludwig as a rookie, like, as a guy that I think deserves it, right? Like, there's two, you mentioned Wyndham. He's a rook. Typically, rookies don't do well. But, like, Ludwig's another name. Never played a name.

This is his first major championship, much less Masters. And he's a name that, like, is going to get some attention. And rightfully so. Yeah, I actually, I've taken him for granted. You're absolutely right. It was his first player's championship, too. Did it right there. I mean, he's, yeah, he's world class.

I mean, I think the biggest surprise, really for me, is Victor Hovlin because I thought Victor Hovlin was going to be one of the guys to beat in the full majors this year and so far he's just struggling he's just, I know he's pounding balls on the reins, he's putting the timer

but he's doing so much swing work and it's a show because the way in which he played towards the end of last year was just brilliant. I would say that's one of the biggest surprises for me so far this year is how much he has struggled. I mean I remember I talked to him.

He withdrew from Phoenix and I just said, are you all right? Like, don't open there wasn't an injury or anything. He's like, I just suck right now. I got to go home to practice. So he's searching. But yeah, that's a big surprise for me. Yeah, part of that rider cup.

I mean, there was no, obviously the split between him and Joseph Mayer was tough. But he had one weakness in his game. That was a short game. Fix that. That's why he was world class. Now short games average at best and now struggling teed a green as well. So that's not a big. He'll get over it.

But I just thought this year he would be primed. I'm with you. Just a handful of months ago, you can make the argument like he might be playing the best golf in the world for a stretch. And now it's like, yeah, he's WD and working on a swing. All right. So funny game. Frank Nolvolo's 2024 master's pick is Wyndham Clark is what I took from that. I like that.

Yeah, I guess. You've got to pick one. Yeah, that's what I'm going. There's worse picks out there. Side question real quick before we get to the E9. Favorite take a gust out of the mix because it's the best term in the world. Favorite stop we have on C. on the CBS schedule.

Wow. For which reason, though, you know, this is going to take me like 10 minutes to answer. I never went to the John Deere. And then when I went to the John Deere, right, Colt, you know, Duck City drew. Like, Colt has a table at Duck City. And the hotel we stay in is actually pretty neat. But actually, but my favorite state is Riviera, I guess, because we got a bunch of friends in L.A. And this way, I couldn't live in L.A.

but that week, I just love the golf course. It's the last one on the West Coast. It's the end of the thing. And everybody talks about pebble and that. But I don't know. I guess I go L.A. When your kid growing up in New Zealand, you never think you go to California, let alone L.A.

So, yeah, L.A. You handle the traffic really well there. You're kind of an L.A. guy, Frank. When I see you, I kind of think L.A. guy, you know? Yeah, right, yeah. So for some people that don't know this, Frank normally drives me to the course every day. And I've been begging CBS to put a cameraman in with us,

to listen to us yell at each other because he gets lost everywhere he goes. It's unbelievable. I mean, he probably got lost going to his office to do this podcast today. Actually, I nearly got lost. No, no, but I don't get lost all the time. But I like to think of other things. The phone goes, you know, I get distracted. I just keep driving.

And he goes, you missed the turn. I said, well, that's your job. You said you knew the way. I used to help you. And then in Chicago, you yelled at me and said, stop talking. And I'm like, fine. I won't talk. And then he just totally missed the exit.

And we're going about two miles. He goes, did I miss the exit? I'm like, yeah, about 10 minutes ago, bud. Where were you on that one? Dipship. Pretty much what I said, Drew. I was in the overtake lane. I'm in the inside lane.

I'm hammering it down there. And you've got to go through three lanes. And it's like 50 yards to go and he goes, that's the exit. And I'm like, now it's more. my fault. And anyway, I'm claiming, I'm claiming the fifth on that. Get them to throw a little GoPro on the, on the windshield. And we have a little 10-minute segment just, you know. Now, then he starts, mind you, I must admit, I like some of his music choices. But I mean, he starts playing with the radio, he's putting Spotify on, we're getting

out, he's like changing her around. I'm like, there's a lot of distractions. And then asking like 50,000 questions on the way. So I'm like, dude. Yeah, it's like, take your child to work there, God bless you, Frank. God bless you, Frank. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, we've dropped you up at school or something like that. Yeah, here, don't forget your lunch. All right, let's get to the E9, you two.

I'm tired of y'all. Okay, we asked, we mix this up sometime. We're going to ask this. You could be anyone else for a day. Dead or alive, anybody in the history of time, who would it be? Does it have to be a golfer? No, it can be anyone. What sort of questions that call?

We do this at CBS. I always get them wrong anyway. There's not a wrong answer. Yeah, this is just an opinion. This is an opinion question. Hey, I'm still trying to be me. I'm trying to figure myself out, let alone be somebody else. Okay, who am I going to be?

Some movie the other day that's pretty good. Okay, I'm going to give me the next question so I speed it up. Because actually, I don't want to be like Ben Hogan or like that. That'd be too hard. But I want to. El Pacino, how's that? Oh, that's not bad. I love that.

Yeah, here we go. There you go. Yeah. You can get paid to be angry on TV. What a thought? Exactly. That's the same shit you do now. Yeah, pretty much.

Canning, Frank, we love you. All right, here's one for you. In your career in television, you've gotten to work with two of the best ever to do it, I think, objectively speaking. Jim Nance and Mike Tariko. Do you have any memories where either one of them ever just did some, like an on-air blunder from either of them?

No, they're both too perfect. I made the on-y-a-blunders, but no, no. I mean, I try and wind Jim up as Colt with known commercial. We do basic kid stuff that are like puns. Some of them make you. ridiculous and i love the big kid in gym nance and terrico is quietly funny too i've dinner with both of them and they're uh they they don't act on tv that's who they are you know if you if you walk down the street that's mike terrico if you walk down the street that's jim nance

that's what i love they are they are who they are and and they're announcing is just flat out good and they're natural yeah i was hoping there to be one i figured they're not they're perfect No, no, no. I think we've struck out on that question every time. Yeah, that's just too good, yeah. Yeah. Okay. Next one.

What's the closest you ever come to missing a tea time? You talk to my wife on this one. That's embarrassing. I said that, so the majors didn't use the World Golf Championship. It's 1990. My first ever master's on 34 years of age, finally got in, through how I played at the US Open the every four. And I go up to the first tee and I think it's Billy Casper, you know, past champion.

And I see him on the first tee. Unbeknown to me, he's not the group in front. I just think he is right. So I'm going to go. I got time to go to the bathroom. So I literally, I've gone to the bathroom because I'm a little nervous. I've waited 34 years to fly into Masters. And my wife is literally telling the security, like you've got to hurry him up.

They're calling him on the first tee. So I don't actually know if I airballed my first Masters if they just pulled it back a minute or two, but it was pretty damn close, yes. That would have been a tough, tough one. That would have been great. I wait 34 years and you're a no starter. I actually think, to be honest, I think they gave me the benefit of the doubt. I actually think I was late. As usual.

Good for them. Good for them. Yeah. That's understandable, though. Nerves fire up before that first tee time, especially at the Masters. All right, now next one. Got to go back. I think this is like nine, ten years ago now,

but I need to know if you and Brandl ever got to the bottom of the whole Tiger Woods shaft lien debate. Did we ever come to a resolution on that? No, no, I was picking, I was going body. The argument was it's, yeah, he doesn't have enough shaflain. I'm like, listen, your body doesn't work, your body doesn't work. No, it was the easy answer. But it went on for days and days and days and days.

And it was out of left field because we weren't even, you know, in a studio show you have a rough rundown. and that was what's called a hijack. So somebody is rehearsed a subject and they're ready to go on it and you will not. And yeah, yeah, I pity the people that watch that. No, it was actually great. I know it was a weird thing.

You, Brando clearly came with a trillion notes on the whole subject, but just watching that. I was like, this is the best television I've ever seen. I know it's a far. I'd always admired his work ethic. Yeah, he puts an enormous amount of time with that. And you've got to, you know, You've got to come with something.

But, you know, studio shows can be weird. On one hand, you can prep for the show. But then if somebody takes it off on a different tangent, it can be a little awkward at time. And then that's the host job to try and sort of rain it in. David DeValle struggled a little bit with that, yeah, because, yeah. Yeah, which is part of what makes it cool. Like, you know, hey, you got your script,

but sometimes it deviates. And then people get passionate. And I was like, this is great television. I know it's probably awkward on the set, but I was like, this is sweet. People will like this. Or at least I did. We didn't have dinner off.

I wanted to see what happened during break is what I wanted to see. Oh, there's been a... No, you don't. All right. Next one. What's the worst thing about playing golf with your good friend Ernie Ells? I mean, how long's the show? Well, number one, he's big.

We did play... He's going to hate... Which story's the tamest, really? I heard he used to do something with his feet while you were over the ball that bothered you. Yeah, sometimes if he had white shoes, he'd cross. him over or whatever that. Why are you, why are you looking at his feet when you're trying to swing? Big ass feet. No, you're not. People just, every now and again, will cross their feet. That's an old, that's an old guy's trying. It's a bit like pulling your glove as well,

pulling the Velcro when you love. But I got him back. We're playing, you used to have this event called the Dunhill Cup. It's now the Dunhill Challenge at St. Andrews. So I was playing for New Zealand. We're playing South Africa, I think, in the semifinal. And we're coming up on 16 which is just short of the old course hotel and he'd beat me in the world match play uh earlier Anderson world match play and uh coala wisconsin i hit it he birded 70 i hit in the water on 18 so he beat me one down so i remember remembering that had a bad taste in him amount so i got off to a great start and like a couple ahead and you know i got about 10 12 feet he's got about 15 feet on 16 and my caddy in those days was a guy called pat jansen he

used to make like these Formula One noises and all that. And he was a hell of a flyer for a start. So he's got about a 15 foot of pull within one. And I could, this dumpster, which is about 50 yards away, but right next to the hotel, it just sounded like they just dumped like a thousand beer bottles in this dump

so, you know, every, well, most of the Greens share at, uh, at St. Andrews.

So 16, you know, shares were two. someone playing too. So he's just waiting a bit. And I'm just walking past him. And I go, are they cleaning out your room? And he went ballistic.

I mean, he wasn't happy at all. It was great. But it worked because he missed it. So it was great. And I won. Playing mind games. There's a hundred stories. We used to hang together.

It was in Derell once. He bit me a couple hundred dollars that I wouldn't. It was late late at night. They wouldn't run around the fountain. And I did. And then he wouldn't pay up. So then he jumped in and ran around as well. It's childish.

Two children. All right, cleaning out your room. I like that. That's good. All right, Frank, I'll give you a sincere one here since we just... There's a real one. From your playing days, either professional or amateur. Your favorite memory in golf.

Well, that's changed over the years, to be honest. You know, I would, you know, people say the last tournament you win. I mean, I remember winning the tournament players championship in Europe because that gave me a five-year exemption. It enabled me to come over there. But in the end, now, doing what I do, I realize that golf has given me everything in my life. At the time, I didn't always look at it that way.

So I go back, and oddly enough, when I asked Colt the question about playing in the Masters, the most impactful thing for me happening in golf was winning the New Zealand Amateur, because it started something. If that didn't happen, nothing else did. So there's a lot of things. It's been a fun ride. I hope it continues a little longer. but yeah the New Zealand Amateur in the end because it made me it made me dream

and it's probably not quite the dream that I wanted but it's still yeah I'm living in a grace place in America I got to travel most of the world it's a fun ride so yeah the New Zealand amateur I like that that's cool nice that's awesome all right last serious question what's the earliest you've ever shown up for an F1 race it's no shame Frank I told you Your friends and family just don't care. They just throw you right under the bus. Right. Yeah.

I guess I got to tell it. You've got to tell it. It's beautiful. Well, I was at the track when Antsena died, too, May 1st, 1994. So I really love Formula One. So I had a friend in the motor racing business named Alex Reese, and I was pestering. I'm like, I want to go to the British Grand Prix. and I was living in a place called Bagshot.

They used to call it Ramsey Street because Ramsey Street was an Australian Australasian television show which was sort of like, I don't know, inappropriate. And so all the Australasian players lived in this little area. And a friend of mine Mike Harwood, who was runner up to Baker Finch, oddly enough in the 1991 Open Championship, he was also a petrol head. So I've been telling Aleut, and I'm like,

Elliot, hey, I want, I want tickets, you know. He said, I got you really good tickets for British Grand Prix. Guests of Marlborough, you know, VIP. And Marlborough had McLaren and Ferrari, so they were the two biggest teams then. So in those days, Formula One races would be every two weeks apart. There was only once in the season that were back to back. And that's when I had the French Grand Prix and the British Grand Prix.

And this is before the Internet, right? Well, pretty close, yeah, anyway. No cell phones and all that sort of crap, but you had TVs and you'd log on a different station and they call it teletext, which is like news and you could just sort of get basic news. So it's Friday and I'm like I'm bringing out of reason. I'm like with my tickets, you know, tickets are delayed. So anyway, the courier comes like Friday evening with the tickets. So I hit the teletext on Saturday and I'll look who's on poll and had it and Santa. I don't look at the race. So in those days, I had a Ferrari in Europe. So I called Mike on the landline. I'm like, Mike, how I got the tickets? I'll pick you up tomorrow like 9.30. We can skip all the crap races in the middle.

We'll drive around lunch. This is VIP. The whole nine yards. We get to watch the races. It'll be phenomenal. So where I live was a good three-hour drive, really, two-in-hour drive from Silverstone. So we get in the car and we're buzzing up the M-1.

And the traffic, sort, as we get close, is a bit light. And I'm looking at my watch, and I'm like, well, It's maybe because there's no races in the middle of the day. So we get a little closer. Same thing, not a lot of traffic, but all the signages up, all this, you know, guests here, VIP, you name it. So I go up to, you know, this BIP thing and there's this huge burly security guard. And I go, where do I park? And he goes, what do you mean?

I said, listen, pal. Guests, VIP guests of Marlborough. So then he took great delight. He looks at the car. He looks at both us. We've got shades on. We all think, look,

we look like a million dollars, right? Jazz and all the right kit, you know, for the early 90s. And I've got to skip a few words anyway, but he says, well, then you should choose the right weekend.

And I'm like, what? It was the following week. He got there a week early. I get in the car and now, like, super embarrassed. So I'm in the car. Now we've got a two and a three-hour drunk. I said,

Mike, if you tell one person, I will kill you. I will go. So the very next week, because it clashed with the Scottish Open, I think it was. I'm on the range. I put one foot on the range, and half of the range I just hear, brum, brum, brum, and I didn't want to speak to anyone.

Oh, that's good. And you wasted your best outfit. A week. Oh, boy. That's good. Special. Frank Nobloh, ladies and gentlemen. It can happen anyone.

I'll tell you what I took away from that, Frank, is that you own a Ferrari. Oh, in Europe. Just when I thought you could be any cooler. Big time. You own a Ferrari. Long time. That's why you are who you are. All right.

Last one from me, Frank. This is a choose your own adventure. You go back 21-year-old Frank Nablo. I don't know how you were when you got married, but you're 21-year-old guy. You're on the prow. You can go back and either be a major champion or you can play for the world champion,

New Zealand, all blacks, which do you choose? Oh, that's the top one, Drew. Do you know how big the ore blacks are? So I'm kind of hoping to get perspective on it because I've seen the documentary and this stuff and I know they're the deal and that you love rugby. Oh, yeah.

No, no, it's that demigots, right? The all blacks are the team for the last hundred years. You can ask Trevor Emel on the one, like because South Africa, they beat us in the last World Cup and it's always an ongoing thing between South Africa. But if you're an all black, basically they give you the keys to the castle. So you've got to be, and if you want to be like an icon in New Zealand,

it has to be a rugby player. I mean, every one of them finishes up marrying like Miss New Zealand. I'm not saying that's great. They do a right. You know, so I was 21. Didn't have a brain in my head, which is pretty much the way it was when I was 21. Then I would have said Orblake here. They walk in anywhere.

Yeah. And they just, I mean, they're like straight to the front, alllips. Yeah. And we had some pretty big ones. Can you please do the little dance and chant they do before? The Haka? Is it the Haka? I was going to ask you to do that, but I figured I'd spend.

I've never watched rugby, but I did watch the documentary on them. They're it. It's all blacks, isn't it? Yeah, but it's on Amazon wherever. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Really cool. Actually, there's the movie Invictus. Matt Damon played, which was about the World Cup final when it was in South Africa.

Oddly enough, South Africa beat New Zealand in the final. At South Africa twice, see, they're our nemesis. Mm-hmm. Trevor. Rugby, you know, that type of thing. Yeah. All right. That's kind of what the answer I was hoping for.

I figured it'd be like playing for the Yankees being in New York City when they won the World Series. Like that's the level of. Actually, it would be. That's a really good analogy. Yeah. If you're a Yankee, you're like Kwinner, you're like, Jared Jeter. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah, Derek Jeter. Good run. You're, uh, you're, well, you know, Grant Fox? Grant Fox. Ryan Fox. Ryan Fox. Oh, Ryan Fox.

Yeah. He's got to, his dad is Grant Fox. His dad was like, um, it's weird. When, when Grant was playing in. the Open Championship of St. Andrews, his dad's walking around it. And no one put two together because Grant Fox at that particular time was like Michael Jordan in the rugby. Wow.

Conn Fox was the guy. And he's just walking around watching his kid. But anywhere else in a rugby environment, and that's the guy. I didn't know that about him. I didn't know his dad was that good. Ryan's a thick, dude. He looked like he could play a little rugby if he wanted to. Yeah, yeah.

Well, you know, Ryan's bigger than his dad. His dad was like, he was a kicker. but a kicker's different than rugby as opposed to NFL. Like he was a playmaker and a kicker. He was a phenomenal kicker. So important conversions, penalties, the game's different, set up play. You know, you kick the ball forward during the middle of the play. So you had to be like a cerebral type player and all that.

He was a hell of a player. That's awesome. Yeah. Frank Doblo, all blacks. All right. Last one. Let's just say the TV thing doesn't work out. You got to go look for a new job.

would you at all be interested in being the guy that paints the first downline on the NFL field each time? No. Please explain to us. After every play. The first down line gets there. Yeah, I know. I know you're picking on me again. I was in a liability on an American. And, you know, I'm watching NFL for the first time.

And, you know, the announcers would say he's a yard short. And you see the yellow line on the screen. I'm like, I mean, why doesn't the guy stretch? so you know CGI and all that I didn't watch the game it's like I was an idiot when the New York Bulls were playing great

I was a Rodman fan so I'd love up The Chicago Bulls not the New York Bulls And then wondering why people in New York Want to kill you Because I didn't know about the rival And all that So same thing with the NFL

I'm watching the game And I'm sitting there I'm like I mean I mean it just all he just All he gets a first down I mean like surely And the guy that look at me like

watch that's not on the field i'm like what do you mean it's not on the field and i had no idea you know you thought the player you could see one of the many things yeah so then i'd say to the go well do you do anything about rugby exactly what i was going to say is we go watch a rugby game we wouldn't know shit that's going on so easy mistake to make don't team up with frank i think my wife still thinks they do it that exact way like yeah why don't you just reach over the yellow yeah i mean it's like you get new down just stretched first down yeah easy i love it easy uh Last thing, this is a little bonus question, since we are getting ready for the Masters. Give me favorite sandwich at Augustine National.

I do not eat pimento cheese. I find the most rogue sandwich. I'll stop somewhere else and pick up a sandwich. I can't do a pimento cheese. There's other options. Yeah, well, in the media compound, we have great food. So, you know, whatever they cook is fine. But my wife is half into it.

So if I can get a curry somewhere, and there's a few, if you look around there, I'll get a curry during Gustav. I know that's dangerous when you're sitting in the tower for six hours. And especially I sit next to MK, but if it's cold, yeah, I'd go for a carry. There you go. I didn't even know that was an option. And neither did that. That's not an option. That's what I mean.

You got to go get the special. All right. Yeah, I've got to go get a special. You've got to do something special. Well, Frank, you're special. Yeah. And we love you, man. We're coming on, dude.

I know you don't do a lot of these. And we appreciate you. Look forward to seeing you at Augusta. Now, hey, Drew, thanks for looking after the little buddy. He's actually all right. Yeah. I'll get his booty wiped and I'll get his lunch packed and all that stuff. I'll get him to you safe and sound at Augusta.

And that picture I've sent you, make sure it goes borrow. Oh, the angel's bad boy. It's so good. That's coming out at the right time, Frankie. Don't you worry. I can't wait. I can't wait to get lost with you over the next few months, but it's going to be great. Looking forward to it, mate.

All right, thanks, buddy. Thank you, Frank. All right, that was the one, the only. Frank Nobalo joining us on subpar. So he's one of the best. I hate to give him compliments. He's really good at his job. He makes it so much.

much fun for me out there when I'm on the grounds. We like to poke fun at each other. And I still do think we need to get a camera in the car with Hickham and I head to the golf course and just hearing us go at it. It's a no brain or another segment on the way to the course. Just get things sparked up for that. You know what I mean? I don't know how someone over, one of the big brains over at CBS needs to figure that out. And how about he picked your man, Wyndham Clark? He's high on Wyndham, isn't he? That's good to hear. I mean, I don't think it'll be the only guy. Like, Wyndham, you and I've been talking about like he's kind of going with the Brooks Kepka playbook like, oh, is this a signature?

Is this one matter? Is this a major? Are we playing for shit tons of money in this one? Oh, okay. I'll play good in those. And then otherwise, I don't really care as much, which is a great one, maybe the best way to be in golf. But, I mean, yeah, he fades the driver, which people say you can't do around Augusta. I think you can. And he can use that three-word if he needs to, but it should be a good golf course for him. Yeah, see, for debut.

We'll see. Frank's normally not right, though. That's a good point. Kind of a problem. That's a problem. Can I please thank him. Can I please thank him for giving me the picture? No. Doppler.

I'm saving it for the right time. You did do this. You pranked me back in Colonial a number of years ago when I was caddian for Wyndham, by the way. Now that rate's gone goes skyward. But I'll just save the doppelganger for the right time. It's a beautiful image, though. Beautiful. I'm not even an Angels fan.

He had to be watching the game. And they showed that and he paused. The picture actually looks like a pause television screen. So shout out to Frank. That's hard work. Thanks for coming on with this, Frank. It's always fun to catch you up with you. Got a couple golf trips coming up,

and you know I damn sure won't be carrying my clubs through the airport, please. No question. We all love, everyone loves golf trips. No one loves lugging their clubs. I've pretty much put it to bed. Don't do it anymore. Refused to. Maybe on the way there, I'll bring my clubs because I want to practice leading up.

But once I'm done, boom, I just went on a golf trip to, I was in San Diego slash LA this past week, was trying to catch an earlier flight out of there. Didn't want to have to deal with checking my bags. Boom, shipped from the course back at the crib already. right now. It just saves you so much time and energy. I mean, you do it. You use it. Like, I feel like once you've done it once, you're like, I'll never love these things through an airport ever again. The insurance is better. It's just easier, period. It's super easy. We got a special

code for you. Yeah, you go to shipsticks.com and you can use code subpar, or you can go to shipsticks.com slash subpar. Both those will get you 20% off. Do that. Try it. Next golf trip. You'll never not use it again. Yep. Stress free. Love it. Shipsticks.com. All right. The time has come. 88th Masters. Time to make some picks. And I hate going chalk, but it's just... But you're going to go chalk.

I'm going to go chalk. I mean, it's too juicy at 4 to 1 to lay off of that. I mean, I know it's 4 to 1. It sucks, but he's the best player in the world by a long ways. He just went win-win second. I mean, how do you not take him? He's coming off a non-win. Does that concern you?

Massive slump. I mean, dude, he didn't win the last time he played. golf. Yeah. Give me Scotty Sheffler. I'm sorry. I just, I don't, I think if he shows up with any bit of the form he's had the last, I mean, basically two years, I think he's just going to be too hard to beat.

If he putts good, it's a wrap. Like, I think unless something just weird happens with this ball striking that we haven't seen in two plus years. But yeah, the four to one is tough, but Scotty's the guy. It's Scotty and then everyone else. Then after Scotty, I feel like it's pretty wide open. I think you see a number of guys being picked outside of Scotty. I'm going to go with one of those guys who's like Scottie.

he kind of like been playing really well for a long time just doesn't seem to pick up the wins that he should given the quality of play that he's had he's been close here in the past he has an unbelievable really really good record in the major championships and i got to just feel like you hang around the hoop that long eventually you're going to score i'm taking zander's shop at late 14 to one i love it i mean that's honestly i really think he's going to i've said for years i believe this golf course is perfect for him i think he will win a green jacket before his day is done um why not this year. It's just he's got to get over that at hump though. If he's in the mix, come Sunday, I mean, all those questions are you going to be able to get it done? Because you

have it lately. Yeah, it's just closing it out. I mean, but he's just rarely plays bad. And the fact that he's played so well here, I think, I think it's time. I was this close to going John. I'm high on John Rom, too, this week. I think to put the live narrative, the bed, you know, guys go over there. They don't care. They cash out. I think John wants to, I mean, you know, he's as competitive a dude as there is in the world. The only issue I'd have with him this week is like, does he want it too much? Yeah.

Because he wants to prove a point so bad. But I'm still high on John Mom. He doesn't want on live, but he's been high up in virtually every event. I expect him to play very well. I think he'll be as long as he gets through that big dinner on Tuesday night. That's right. All right. Dark Horse, 55 to 1 also has had some success around here.

Great hands. And if it stays firm and fast, he also just chips these shit out of the golf ball. Give me my man, Shane Lowry, 55 to 1. And Green's his favorite. color. That would be popular. Would it not? That would be sweet. The Clare at, he'll never top his open championship. Yeah. I'll never be top, but this would be

as far as international win, this one might be the most embraced. I love Shaghan Lowry, man. He's such a good dude. I would love that. Tend to lean for Americans in our major championships over here, but I'd be okay with him. All right. My dark horse, I'm coming in multi-time major champion, but he's also a dark horse. And I'm coming out of left field with this a little bit. Why not Dustin Johnson?

At 40 to 1, Dustin Johnson, like, has he been as good as I thought he would be on Lib? No. Has he won as many times I thought he would over there? No. But he's still DJ. And, like, if he shows up and his juices get going again and he's fired up, like, he's won here. Granted, it was a different time of the year during COVID. But, like, I just, DJ at 40 to 1 feels criminal.

And I don't know, like, his previous play on Liv, I don't put a whole lot of stock into it. But similar to, like, Brooks. I'll be honest. I didn't expect a Dustin Johnson pick. Yeah. But hey, he's mixed it up a little bit. 40 to 1, pretty nice number. I know he's going to be ready to go.

Like you said, he hadn't probably played as well as he wanted to on live, but it's the Masters. He'll be ready. Yeah, I don't think we're going to get like a long-shot weirdo winner, like out of left field. You know, like we've seen like a Danny Willett or something. Like, nobody really had on the radar. But if you're going dark ones, like you can get a two-time major champ down there. Like, that's the kind of game that I can still get it done.

So, these are where I'm going. All right. There you have. Scotty Sheffler. Shane Lowry for me. Zander Shafley, Dustin Johnson for the Slees. Are we in the zone? Go look in the zone.

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