Subpar - Fuzzy Zoeller Interview: First night with the Green Jacket, Waiving the white flag on the 72nd hole

Episode Date: November 9, 2021

On this week's episode of GOLF's Subpar, 10-time PGA Tour winner Fuzzy Zoeller joins former PGA Tour pro Colt Knost and jicky jack legend Drew Stoltz for an exclusive, in-studio, interview. The 2-time Major Champion talks his first night with the green jacket, launching his own vodka line, and having his daughter Gretchen as a caddy.

Hello world. Welcome back to Golf Subpar with Colt Nost and Drew Stoltz and Sleys. When I say hello world, it is now, I've recently found out we are huge around the world. Is that right? Finally. Just over at the Asian Pacific Amateur in Dubai, team India, team Thailand, huge fans of gravy in the sleighs and subpar. Team India, dude, I saw a little, you sent me a little snapshot with the squad over there. They looked like killers, by the way. I love what they were bringing to the table all suited and booted. How are our boys from India do, by the way? they had the most of any country.

They had seven guys representing over there. I believe five made the cut. Solid? Yeah, solid. Good outing. They were so much. We talked for probably an hour at the gala one night. They brought up you and Jordan Spieth, what, your condition during the Jordan's

Smith interview. It's a smash hit amongst the listeners. We need to get boozed up a little bit more. We say we're just supposed to be like a round table after a round of golf. What happens after a round of golf typically? Get a little snapped up. Maybe we need to loosen it up just a little bit. Maybe just a little bit.

Maybe just a little less than that. I mean, you know, it's subjective. I was right there. I was still super alert. I love the boys over there in India. Listen to the show. Shout out to those fellas. Yeah, because I know they'll be listening this week.

Big shout out. Congratulations on making it to the Asian Pacific amateur. Sleez, it was a really cool week for me. Spent the week over in Dubai covering it. It was way better than I even thought it would be. Dubai, such an incredible city. The golf was unbelievable. The number one amateur in the world, Katen Nakajima, from Japan.

got the W. He'll be teeing it up in three of the four majors next year. Good schedule. Working on the schedule. You said he's got an entourage follows him. He's 21 years old, so he's a little older than some of these guys that you see in the States, maybe one year at college, bam, term pro. He's 21, probably 22 at the end of next year when he finishes those majors. But he's already got, what, the whole, you know, the whole entourage around. He got the fitness guy, the mind guy, the scheduled guy, the handkerchief guy. He is dialed. There is no doubt. But I was on the range getting to know some of the players the first couple of days. I was there with Matt Rollins, who works for title.

and we were talking about some of the people. And, you know, I knew Kate Tanakajima was the number one amateur in the world. I wasn't sure who he was or what he looked like. But I was on the range and all of a sudden I saw this kid swinging a golf club and I said, oh my God, who is that? That is one of the most gorgeous golf swings I've ever seen. And they go, that's Kada. And I'm like, that makes sense.

It makes sense now. But he's the number one am in the world. He carries himself like it. Everyone knows he's the number one amp. Everyone knew he was the guy to beat. And he went in there and he got the job done. You sent his video out on Twitter of his swing, and I was like, sweet Jesus. Amateur game has changed slightly, even since I was there.

I mean, the kid looks like he's ready to go tomorrow, and it sounds like he is. He already's got what he played the Zozo. Played the Zosso. He's won on the Japan tour as an amateur. I mean, he's ranked 200th in the world in the official world golf rankings as he's an amateur. He's already got the entourage. He's got pretty much everything you want. He gets the job done.

Other than that, you did all the stuff. You saw all the sites, you know, which you fly across the globe. Like, you need to get out of the hotel and go see some stuff. highlight of the week minus the golf stuff uh my incredible sand surfing skills saw that was was honestly shredded pains me to say it a little bit i was i was impressed you made it down there thought we could have lost a lost a lost a boy to drowning sand drowning there was a lot of things on the table you know hurley rip curl all those all those burton billabong they're all along me you know i i wasn't really that excited to go out into the desert i already had a long day

walking around talking about golf all day it's hotter and shit out there like oh let's go to the desert. I'm like, oh, that ought to be really cooling. But when I, after I did it, I was so happy I I did. We had so much fun going up and through these dunes. We did it in an SUV. It feels like you're going to flip. These drivers are experts. Our guy's name was Shakir. I call him Shakira, obviously. But he was so much fun. These guys are experts at drive, because the wind blows these dunes every day. So it changes the shape of the hills. And they don't know what you did it, but they're experts at driving through so you don't flip and all this. It was so much fun. Rich Lerner almost puked. He rolled down the window.

in the middle of a desert. Smart. Brilliant idea. It's a hurricane when we go banking. We cracked the windows a little bit. Sand came all in. It was really cool.

And then we went to the sandboarding. They pulled out of snowboard. Never been on one. I was like, I don't know if I want to do this. You didn't do a lot of snowboarding, but I can pilot point growing up. Growing up snowboarding sleaze. It's interesting. But Amanda Baleona, she went first, five feet down crash.

Went again, five feet down crash. Nobelo gets on it. He's like, he's a risk taker. He's ready to go. Five feet down crash. Five feet down crash. I was like, guys, I'm not an expert at this, but I'm pretty sure it's kind of like golf. You know, if you've got a downhill lie, you've got to get your body with the slope.

Right. Everybody, they were leaning backwards as they were going downhill, and they kept falling backwards. They're like, all right, well, let's see how it's done then. I get on it, right to the bottom. Straight down, bro. And I fell on my ass at the bottom because I didn't know what to do after that. No, you're not. It's like a skateboard, but it's a snowboard.

It's hard to turn. I was just trying to make it to the flat. The only problem was the side of the hills is a crazy salt. It feels like you're falling onto a mattress. The bottom is a little firmer. It hurt my ass when I fell. And then you pull a little sand out of every orifice of your body for the next month. Have you got it not out yet?

I think so. You never blow your nose and you just find a little mountain in there. I think so. But the worst part was I had to climb my ass back up that hill through soft sand. Yeah, where's the gondola? I was exhausted. Where's the gondola? I saw you go down.

I was very impressed. He said you're the Sean White of the Dunes. He's the flying tomato. So I came up with the nickname for you. I think you're the flying potato. That's fine. That's good. We can market that.

We can work with that. The flying potato. It's beautiful. It was a lot of fun. Also went to the Burge Khalifa, which is the highest building. Is that building? It is. Highest building in the world.

You know, Wiz, maybe a little high. Yeah, exactly. Shit makes sense. Saw the picture you sent of that, too. It was like, oh, there's the building down there. It's 80 stories high and you were, I mean, in a different Gallup. That looked, honestly, not like afraid of heights, but like just going up to top of that thing.

A little dicey. So. And the building sways, right? It's a little bit. It's a little bit. I thought it was going to move a lot. We went up there at night. But you can go all the way up to the hundred.

154th floor. You take an elevator. The elevator goes to the 125th floor in less than a minute. It's the fastest elevator in the world. Then you got to get out. It has like 27 elevators in the whole place. Yeah. But 154.

It is 2,800 feet high. Oh, it's a half mile high. What the hell? So what's on the top store? Is that in an office building? Like, hey, dude, congrats. So it's a row. You're up here.

And if the wind blows, you might die. Yeah. There's residences all over. I mean, they charge you. It's like $250 a person to go all the way to the top. So they make money off this thing. It's like an amusement park ride. amusement park ride getting ready for you you go through these lines you hear all this about the

building then you get an elevator of 40 people and go up it was uh it's crazy you get up there they give you a drink and little little food music's playing you need it to be up there but my god i mean you look it up like when you're down on the ground you see all these other buildings the big hotels and everything then you get up to the top of the burge and you look down you're like oh my god oh there's a plane down there about a hundred feet down yeah it was uh it was cool though man it was such a cool experience. Had a blast over there. Can't thank the people enough at the Asian Pacific Amateur for having me. Yeah, we get to see the main man coming back and playing three majors next year.

I want to see what this kid's all about because, I mean, he's got to be turning pro as soon as that last major ends and then bam. Keita? Nakajima. Don't forget it. Keta, Nakajima. Got it LinkedIn. You think there'll be many Japanese media at Augusta next year?

I'm sure he and Adducki won't play a practice around and it won't be like the Beatles are out there. That thing's going to be massive when they come up. All right. Well, one of our favorite guys on the PGA tour picked up a rather big win this. week going back to back we picked him on fandool that's also back to back weeks for us delivering a victory double-ticken guys out there if y'all like money whatever keep listening but our guy victor hovlin got the just dominated four-shot win with not even his driver shaft i know how about it he's a very

similar situation for myself went into the tournament without his own driver he was able to get the job done that's probably potentially where i went wrong i should just borrowed from somebody else instead of taking the five racks but yeah he made one point three million he did slightly better than i walked out of there with actually zero, I think, at the end of the week. Plydale, Carmen, and Don and Charlie's took most of that 5K that I got that week. But he drove it on a string. How about, hey, borrowing James Hans' shaft. Mine broke.

By the way, Danny Lee broke it doing some speed training. I don't know why you loan your driver out. I feel like there's more to the story. Stuff. Yeah, I don't know if he like stepped on it or what. But he broke his shaft. He had his same head, takes James Hans' backup driver shaft and proceeds to go T2, strokes gained off the T.

Drove it on a string, like he always does. It was 7-8-9 for me watching this thing because there was a time there. He had a good cushion. It looked like he could potentially run away with it, but if some things go wrong, there was enough guys playing well that can make it interesting. Scotty Shuffler was on the back nine making some birdies. Seven, which used to be number one, the par five. He misses the fairway, he has to lay up, ends up and down for Bertie there,

making a nice 10, 12-footer. Then the next hole, eight, the par three, blows it long left into the sandy area, gets it up and down with like a 15-footer for par, and then on the ninth makes like a 35-footer for Bertie. And instead of being par-bogie par, par, it was birdie, par-per-bordy. And that point, he turned with a four-shot lead, and it was pretty much Rapp City at that point. Isn't it crazy that here's a guy that was at top of the world? He's won the U.S. I am.

He's one of the best amateurs in the world, one of the best college players in the world. Comes out, he's now won three times on the PGA Tour, and he sucks at one facet of the game, and that's chipping. He did chip it pretty well this week, but isn't it crazy? He's a top 10 player in the world, and he can get so much better. By his own admission, he sucks. We're not putting words in his mouth and just saying he sucks. He came out after he won, I believe it was in Puerto Rico is like I suck at chipping.

And he's gotten a lot better. Like he chipped it good this week. He shot, what, 9 under in the third round? He said that wasn't my best ever ball striking round, but like around the greens chipping it and putting it, put that together. And I got a nine under out of it. I've hit it better than that, but I haven't done all the other stuff quite that good. And yeah, that third round is where he really did it. And I mean, like you said, if he's winning at this clip with a pretty, like he's now in the top 10 in the world golf rankings. If you went through the top 10 and said, find me something in one of these guys, one aspect that they stink, that they're bottom tier in.

You have a hard time to find one that you could pick out of any of those guys. And his chipping just keeps getting better. Well, so that makes five straight foreign winners on the PGA tour. He's the first guy to win back to back at the same event since 2019. And that was Brooks Kepka at the PGA championship. So that's a hell of an accomplishment in itself, considering how rare we see it lately. Yeah, you mentioned the foreign winners. There's a lot of dudes apparently pissed off from that Ryder Cup that are making amends for that right now.

Coming off of that right, like, eh, we're better than that. And Matthew Fitzpatrick, Victor Hovlin, they're doing it right now. But I'm anxious to see what he does. He hasn't had the greatest of track record. in major championships thus far. I believe what do we say? 12th is his best finish at this point twice. I think that's probably because of that short game a little bit.

But going into this year, man, that Tita Green game sets up very nicely for some of these bigger venues. And I'm anxious to see if he can play his way into one of these things. I think he's going to be at or near the top at some of these leaderboards come Sunday. Yeah, I think his game is built for major championships. Much like our guest this week, Fuzzy Zeller, the legend is in the house. The Fuzz. Getting fuzz up.

Yeah, get fuzzed up. He's in the vodka game. He got Fuzzy's Vodka, which we talk about a little bit of that. The man, you know, like in the drug game cult, I like to watch a lot of drug stuff. They say, don't get high in your own supply. That's rule number one, right? Fuzz does not subscribe to that theory. The man's getting buzzed on his own stuff quite often, but fun talking to him, get some of these old-school stories.

I mean, he played in an era, which we get into, like John Jacobs, for instance, maybe the guy, the definite most interesting man in the history of golf. He was running around with him a lot, especially on the champions tour. Just a different era. and when it was, it seemed like there was a lot more fun being had out there. It was still a business, but they were not afraid to get after it.

All right. Well, let's get right to it. Here's Fuzzy Zeller on Golf Subpar. All right. The man with us here today is a two-time major champion, 10-time winner on the PGA tour, one of the biggest personalities in all of professional golf and a rare one-name celebrity cult like Elvis or Beyonce.

The great Fuzzy Zeller and his daughter Gretchen are in the house. How are we doing? Welcome. Great. Thanks, guys. Yeah, thank you very much for that. What were the two names, Beyonce and Elvis? And Elvis, yeah, you say Elvis, you don't need the Presley.

You say Beyonce, you don't need whatever the hell her last name is. That's true. People know. She doesn't need a lot. She's got it all. She doesn't need a lot. True. Very true.

Well, Fuzzy, we're here today to obviously talk a lot about you, but also your vodka, which we have been enjoying. Thank you so much for sending us some to try. It is fantastic. Go ahead and pop the top. There it is right there. waiting on. It's a little earlier out here in Arizona. We might have took a little pull before to relax a little bit. But tell us what made you ever want to get into the vodka business.

It all started with wine. I'm sitting in my office and had to wine people come to me and offer me a pretty lucrative deal on putting my name on a private label wine. And I told them, I said, well, that's nice. But I said, what's going to make my wine taste different? and say Greg Norman's wine or Ernie Ells's wine or David Frost's wine. Hell, even Freddie Couples has got a wine. Shit, he doesn't even drink. And you figure that one out. He's got everything.

Well, they couldn't give me a real good answer. You know, they kind of beat around the Bush. They must have been all Democrats or something because they never gave me an answer. So I was sitting in my office 18 years ago now. Well, the office that I'm sitting in right here, we're throwing things around the table. on a Saturday morning. And the wine thing came back up.

And I said, well, you know, this wine deal sounds like a very interesting deal. I mean, it was like I say, a very lucrative type thing. And, but I said, I don't drink wine. So how in the hell can I put my name on something that I don't drink? I just didn't make any sense to me. Plus, there's too many wines out there now anyway. And they couldn't tell me how my wine was going to be different than anybody else. So there was a lot of dark corners on that deal.

So one of my friends was walking by the door here in the office here and yelled in. He goes, I heard he's talking there. He said, why wouldn't you do a vodka? God knows you drink enough of it. And I went, now this has got some potential. We got some merit here. Now we can grow on something. No other sports figures ever shot at the spirits market.

Everybody's gone to the wine market. So we talked about it. called around the country. There were six distillers that would do a specialty private label, premium wine or vodka. And I asked them to send some product whatever they had so I could taste it. So the following Saturday morning, I'm sitting in here in my office at nine in the morning, tasting these five different vodkas. And I said, who, four of them were rot gut, and the fifth one will just smooth as silk.

And I said, this has got it. This is the one. And it was out of Bend, Oregon, a little distillery out of Bend, Oregon. So one thing led to another. And as it turned out, this is how we got the fuzzy vodka started. There it is. And Gretchen, that's got to be nice market research when your job is like, all right, we're going to need to test every single vodka out there in the world

and make sure ours is better. You go first. Yeah, exactly. And we got fuzzed up, that's for sure. But it was kind of crazy how we all anonymously chose. the same vodka. It is super smooth and, you know, it doesn't hurt you the next day either, which is really, really nice. That's what I'm looking for. I don't want to be hurt. She brought up a very good point right there. Because of the way we filter it,

five times distilled and ten times filtered, we've taken a lot of what gives you the headaches on your cheaper vodka. All that has gone out. So you shouldn't wake up with a hangover on the fuzzy vodka. And because it also sits in the oak barrels, that that also helps, well, cut that edge off. But, you know, with the liquor industry, you have to go in front of, you know, the board. And it's a blind taste testing and they give you a rating. And we actually have a 94 rating on the product too, which makes it just phenomenal. And we've actually moved our production to our home state of Indiana. So it's, it's really, it's really been neat to have this product kind of evolve over the years. I love it. What's Fuzzy's go-to cocktail

with the Fuzzies vodka? Oh, Fuzzy Tonic with two limes, plug glass. I got it right here. I got her right here. Don't give me one of those short glasses now. I need a tall glass. Got a tall glass. Get fuzzed up. I heard you say that earlier.

Is that the slogan for the company? Get fuzzed up? I love that. Grutchins I want to brought that up. Get fuzzled up. So it's six. It's nice. I love it.

Well, Gretchen, a lot of people might recognize you because you've been on the bag for your dad, Fuzzy, walking up and down the hills of Augusta National. Tell us about your golf background and then how you ended up caddy in for Fuzzy. Yeah, absolutely. So obviously I'm his daughter and I played golf my whole life. I'm absolutely obsessed with it. I went to school at the College of Charleston, South Carolina, graduated in 06 and came back back Christmas and I got a little buzzed up. And I said, you know, Dad, your last master's, I should really catty for you.

And he's like, oh, yeah, right. He's like, okay, well, if you want to do it, let's do it. And I'm like, yes. So I like, I'm dead serious. And he thinks I'm joking. So anyways, it came to fruition that April. And it was so funny because it was one of the coldest masters in like the history of the master. So I'm sitting there freezing my ass off on Monday.

And we're supposed to go play a practice round with Ben Prinshaw. And since I'm in my monkey suit, as dad calls it, I'm not allowed to go into the clubhouse. So anyways, I have been there for so long that I got to know all of the security guards. I send when the security guards up to ask, you know, go ask my father since he's made me sit out in the cold for two hours. If they were playing today. And he goes, you know what? Let me go ask him. Goes up the Champions room.

And then like two minutes later, here comes dad and Ben, both of them smoking darts looking down at me. And they're like, you think we're playing today? We don't blame this weather. You know, half popped. I'm like, did you all ever think to like tell me that? No, no, no, no. So flash forward to Thursday. First tea was moved up.

Before you got to the first tea, Gretchen, your strap on the bag broke. Oh, yeah. I had to have a catty friend. I had to have a double strap. You should see in Augusta, which they don't really have a lot of services like the trailers and everything. But they're across the street, off property. You know, and she broke the strap on my golf bag, which I don't know how she did that.

Frustrated because I had. Probably because the damn thing size of me and I had to like throw it up over my shoulder. I had it empty. I emptied. I got the smallest bag I could for you and it was still heavy. And there was nothing in it. Maybe three or four bricks, a couple dozen balls. But that shouldn't make a bag heavy.

Go ahead. I'll let you tell them. So it's so funny because I'm so excited and I'm so like just pumped up to Caddy for Dad. We get to the first tea. I don't realize the tea boxes have for the minute with up like 20, 25 yards. So I'm like Thursday morning now. Thursday morning of the tournament. Yeah.

38 degrees. Yes. North wind, which is right in your face on number one. Go ahead. I'll let you tell it. So give you a driver. You rip it. You smother hooked it.

you know you did so he gets a little bit of extra roll out of it anyways but it's in the left trees and he looks back at me and he's like how did i get it there and i'm like i don't know and then he looks back he's like the teaser moved up you've already screwed up we haven't hit a shot a second shot so you know we go to the second shot and i said man dad you with the good news or the bad news he goes bad news i said you've got two 30 in the wind to the front green. And he said, well, what's the good news? I said, you got a shot.

So I was like, you know, put that up there, roll it up there. Let's see what happens. So he does. He doesn't get up and down, make a five. We keep mosing along. We go to hole number four, which is where the only palm tree is on Augusta. But the caddies have told me if this plum tree is blowing, you've got to take two extra clubs. I'm like, okay, look at the palm tree.

definitely need the two extra clubs, walk back to dad, and I said, ooh, you're not going to like this one. We got 248 to the front edge and a two club wins. I said, you need driver. But how about you just bump this little three wood into that front bunker and let's get that up and down for a park. So sure is enough, he bumps it right on up there,

up and down for par, and it was great. Awesome, awesome part. Now, do you guys want to hear the real story? The real story was I didn't hook my t-shot on one. It was in the fairway. I was on the uphill. She was strutting back there. He's walking up there.

She comes back. She goes, good news, bad news. I said, well, give me the good. Give me the bad. I don't care what you would give it to me. You got 2.305 to the front, I think it was. 235 plus 30, 265. I looked at her right in the eye.

I said, now do you want to know why I want to retire from this place? Exactly. Dad, don't ever let back. It's getting the way of a great story. I was trying to give this two of 65 because it's like makes you really look like a short hitter, you know? And there was a 20 mile on our north wind, 38 degrees. My bones weren't as young as they used to be, you know? I love that.

Now you see why I want her tire from this place? Yeah, I got one more for you. I got one more for you. We're on the 11th hole in Laino 11 is long. It's 500 some odd yards long, into the wind. And I really, chicken walked. the driver down the fairway. I mean, I was proud of it for me. And I got there and she walked back. She goes, you got 260 and 25. I'm going, come on. What part of this haven't you quite figured out yet?

I don't have shots for this golf course anymore. Well, tell them what you hit into that hole when you won. It was an eight iron. Well, yeah, that was in the playoff. Yeah, we're going to get to that. I must have hit a sprinkler head or something. It went way down there. But it was really, I was walking up 16, you know, the whole gallery stands up and start chanting, you know, dad's name. Of course, I'm not a crier, but I get, like, really, like, really emotional when things in sports are just, like, awesome. And so it was, he goes, what the hell are you doing back there? I said, this is just, it's just amazing. Like, and he's like, get it together, get it together.

And then, you know, he had some cheers on 18. And I went to give him the towel to wipe his tears. He goes, that golf ball. I don't need that. The golf ball. We had a good time. I'm not a very good cat. He had a Gus National, though.

Yeah, it's 17. She started whining, crying, it's almost over. I've had the greatest time. I'm so, oh, and I went, Jesus Christ, Christ. I just so proud to your daughter. We got to go to the 18th toe, and then I did to put it over in the trees. She goes, she comes up crying, you can't bogey the last toe. Don't boogie the last toe.

Then I had to pitch it out. And I don't know. I hit it seven. I had her about three feet. or something made it for four but it was a well well job good job she did it was a great job that was i can't imagine the first and only time she kettie yeah perfect i can't imagine you know what how emotional that was for you too and what a cool experience to share together yeah it was it was and being the last one uh i couldn't i had a finer person on my golf bag and i mean i mean that that is awesome oh thanks dad

she's gonna cry again yeah we got to get her towel you have the towel you have the towel of the ball. We've only had one person. We've only had one person cry on this show, and it was George Brett. Yeah. And it was him talking. Was it John Boehner? George.

George Brett cried talking about winning his club championship. Yeah. We're talking about it. It's 401 in baseball ever and nothing, no emotion. And then winning the club championship in Kansas City, he started crying. He's probably the one player in there. That's good, Dawn. Probably got his name on a trophy.

I love it. Well, everyone's going to go check out this Fuzzies vodka. It is delicious. We have tried. it. We like to say we got amongst it or fuzzed up. Get fuzzed up. But we got... Yeah, and you know, if you use the promo code subpar, go to fuzzy vodka.com, and that's

fuzzy with obviously choosies. And use the promo code subpar. You'll get 10% off between now and the holidays. It's a great gift. Sounds incredible. Yes, it is crisp. It is a good vodka. I love that.

Very good. All right, Gretchen. Well, thank you so much. We're going to dive deep into your dad right here real quick. Yeah. Learn a little bit more about the fuzz. Layers. Layers deep.

bring it on boys bring it on i cannot wait to get this is going to be so excited but one of the things i found out when i was doing some research on you fuzzy was i didn't realize you were self-taught yeah well you got to understand i'm going on 70 years old and when i first started uh there weren't teachers he had club pros who were the superintendents they just did just about everything but uh the gentleman who taught me how to play bus shultz along with my mother and dad, would always walk by me on the driving range. He said, to try this. And I want you to try that. That doesn't work. Then try this. And he kind of let me develop it on my own. That way, I would learn my own golf swing, which I thought was pretty neat. Today, you know, these kids, they all

swing the same. Back then, when, well, the older generation grew up, we didn't have teachers. So it's, you know, we were all self-taught. And that was, that. That's the reason for why my hands were low because it was very comfortable for me to do that. I didn't know you could bend golf clubs. I didn't know that until I got on tour. I didn't realize you could flatten the lies. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

And you always. A lot of tricks. Fuzz, you always addressed the ball on the heel of the golf club. Was that something you did like that did something for you in your golf swing and that help? Or was that just something that you kind of developed over time? My clubs were just about that much too long. I think about what I just said. Yeah.

Now, you know what? I had a tip from one of the golf professionals over here in Louisville, Kentucky, Mo Demling, who gave me a little tip because I used to get the ball right to left, had a big old hook on it. I mean, I'd hook a sandwich. And he gave me a little tip. And so when I get to the top of my back swing, the first thing I should feel coming from toward the ball to be the heel of the golf club. And you know, golfers sometime are not real smart. And we get a little brain dead out there at times.

So when I shoved the ball, a clubhead out to the heel That reminded me to pull the heel of the golf club Toward the ball. So it was just a little tip. Just a little, I don't know, any doubt that I did. And that triggered everything. Once I popped it out to the heel, I remember heel. I know you're thinking about it, aren't you? No, I'm just thinking that all of our listeners at home

We're going to start trying to get that heel down in front. We're going to see all kinds of hazel rockets out there. You just caused 70,000 shanks, fuzzle. Your hands are a little more talented, than our listeners. The slow play at the beauty this weekend is going to be out of hand now. I know what, I know. Just after you pull the heel, just remember

full right, because you'll miss a few of them to the right. But that's the feel you want. You want to heal the club head, come first. And when, after you got that tip from Mo Dimley, did you win in San Diego? I did. That's what I did. I heard that. That's a good lesson. It's a quick lesson. I never had any lessons like that. Well, I mean,

it's, again, like I say, golfers, we go brain dead out because you play so much of it. You've got to have little tips to remind you to do certain things in your golf singing. And when you get them all clicking, it's a beautiful thing. And Fuzzy, being self-taught, I think there's a big, I think that's a big asset in a way, because I think guys that are self-taught understand their golf swings better than guys that rely on a teacher to tell them what to do all the time. Do you think you could self-correct on a golf course if you were fighting, say, a hook or a fade or whatever it was that day that you could fix it easier than,

because you didn't need a teacher standing right behind you to tell you every single thing to do. just made adjustments like you had your whole life. Well, it's all done by field because that's the way we played. We played by field. I mean, you think about a guy like a Hubert Green. How do you teach that golf swing? Put your hands on the ground. Or let's think about Lee Trevino.

How you do that? You know, he just found a knack. He was self-taught. He found a knack how to move that ball left to right and right to left. Low, high. Huber did the same thing. It was just, it's amazing. to watch the older guys. And I think what's great about the older guys is that when you're

walking down a golf course, you look over, you could look over four fairways. You could see a Chi-Chi Rodriguez swing and automatically put the face with the golf swing. I'm going to tell you today, it's very difficult because the kids are all 6-1, 6-2, 6-3, and they all swing the same. It's very difficult to put the face with the golf swing. You have to go over and check out that leaderboard in the back of them to find out which name it is and who it is. Yeah, totally. Physiques are very similar to yours, aren't they, Dad? Excuse me, Gretchen.

Hey, yeah, yeah, yeah. They're very similar to yours, aren't they? Don't you hate on that type of physique? He calls them flat bellies. But you like to refer to it. We just have more, uh, there's more of us to love. Yeah, right. I love it.

You got to remember, Gretchen. I was a lean, mean, fighting machine when I was in my prime. I know. Yes, you were. I've seen the pictures, Fuzz. You were strapping young. man. No doubt about it.

Oh, it's unbelievable. But you mentioned, you mentioned Lee Trevino, obviously a unique golf swing, but two of the biggest personalities in the game of golf are you and Lee Trevino. How in the hell did y'all ever have a conversation together? Did anybody listen to each other? I really, honest to God, I just listened to him. As I'm telling you, after I won Augusta down there, I made a comment in the press room because I play with Lee the very first round, which I think was a complete bonus for me,

to have somebody who's lighthearted like he, even though he didn't like playing Augusta and he didn't have the golf game to play Augusta because he didn't hit high enough. Just the comments he made around the golf course. I made the comment in the press room. I said, well, hell, he had more lines than the L&N railroad. Little did I know that L&N was a big player at Augusta back then.

So it was kind of fun. Beautiful. That worked out. One of the best. Who were some of the other guys you like to play? Because you're a guy that would yuck it up, I mean, you were always talking to the gallery, which I think I don't really see anybody do it right now the way that you did it. But who are some of the other guys that you, when you saw the pairings and you were playing with somebody, you got excited because you're like, oh, this one will be fun.

Well, I got excited to play with all of them. I'll be honest with you. I didn't have any trouble. We had a great big, happy family out there because it was everybody stuck together. Family stuck together. We all went to dinner together. We had cocktails together. It's a different tour now.

The tour today is more of individuals as opposed to being family oriented. But, you know, that's just the way it was. That's the way it is. Yeah, now everyone's going to the gym. They're trying to the massage afterwards. Y'all went to the bar and in a cocktail. Did you see guys like myself and going to a gym? No, I was with you.

I'm going to gym. It's not going to happen. Yeah, I went to the doctor today after my physical. I've taken the last three days. And he said, I'd like see you exercise. Asmore, I said that's not going to happen. I am retired. What the hell you retire for you?

You don't retire to go work out for God's sake. You retire to relax. So that's what I do. I was born to relax. Yeah. You look relaxing. Yeah, you do the whole job of it. I got to say the tip of the cap.

Hey, one thing, I want to go back to the 79 Masters. A couple things I'd like to know. First off, had you ever been there before then? I know it was your first one, but had you ever made a trip before at all? No, had not. First time seeing the golf. time my first time down magnolia lame was with my mother and father on monday morning did you know immediately when he oh and they just sent a chill down my back because all i had ever seen were pictures

and trust me it's prettier in person that it is with the pictures pictures don't do it justice i agree with you on that but you know you started the final round six shots back obviously you had to have something really really good happened to you or maybe someone slip up but i want to go to the 15th hole on Sunday because I heard there was a very interesting story with your caddy. With Jerry, Jariah Beard, God love him. I mean, he led me around there like a seeing eye dog. He told me where to miss, when to miss. It was unbelievable how he did it.

But he was a local caddy. When I say there's positives to having a local caddy on the bag the first time you're there, there were true positives there. But yeah, we had 236. yards down the hill and the old saying arrow on 15 of course it was like a 20 mile an hour breeze blowing so that put it at about 250 if you see water you go for it now think about it yeah you stand on top of that hill now where these kids hit it today they're all they're looking at the whole lake climb on my tippy toes and i'm looking down in that far left-hand corner over by the

sarahs and bridge and i just say saw a little bit of water. Jerry said, well, if you want to win, we got to go. I said, I'm on my way. Give me that three wood. And I hit, I just busted it. I mean, hit it as hard as I could. High going right toward the middle of green. That's where it landed. I was so damn happy it didn't hit the water because that's embarrassing. It's embarrassing to screw up in front of 30,000 people, you know? My source let me down a little bit because my source told me Jerry said, you have to see water. And he said he couldn't see it. So he made you, you said you jumped up in the air. and said, all right, now I can see it.

We got to go for it. I heard you showed off your vertical. I was told you showed off your vertical. Yeah, well, Jerry, Jerry's a little shorter than I am too. So that, you know, but yeah, it's just a great thrill. Ed's neat, you know, bogied the last three holes to let Tom Watson and I back in. And that's the thing about the tour is if you just mess up just a little bit, there's always one or two or three people that want to get their feet in that door.

And it just happened to be Tom watching them myself because Ed bogeyed the last three holes and let us in. When was the first time in that round? Because you started six shots back. You're in contention, but you need something special to happen one way or the other. When was the first time you started thinking about winning that golf tournament during that round? I really never thought about it until we went down to 10th hole in the playoff. And I said, damn, wouldn't this be something?

I said, have a, I had already done and accomplished everything I needed to accomplish, which was to get in for the next year, finishing that. at elite 16 or what 12 16 so i had all the pressure was off me i mean i was just freewheeling it on down there he hit a good drive at the 10th hole probably uh had a very i'm the only one really had a very makeable put on the 10th i had an uphiller just a little right to left which used to be just gravy train for anybody anybody love to have putt like that the other guys were coming straight down the hill left to right speed putts not you don't make too many of those but when I missed my putt I thought well okay I accept it

then they both missed we went to the next toll the 11th and then I don't know what happened I just caught a drive that went extremely long now this is going back to 79 so it was an old wooden hit a driver so it's not like we had equipment that launches the ball but I put one down there. I had 151 yards, the back left pin. And I told you, I hit the ball right to left. So I was licking my chops when I had, when I heard the 151 and Jerry said, here, take his eight iron and put it by the hole. So I put it right in the middle of green and just drew it right back into that left pin position about four feet. And then it started set in on me. I mean, I started, it's amazing what your mind does, you think about all the times as a young player standing on the putting green,

putting for those masters, the U.S. opens, the British opens, the PGAs. And by God, my dream just came true. I had that put and I made it. That's incredible. What was that night like with the green jacket? It's long. You know, I didn't get away from her until 1, 115. Wow. After Augusta. Yeah, after Augusta. you know, they go through the ceremonial jacket thing,

after the going downstairs, coming back up, then you have the members, then you have dinner with the members, and Tennessee Ernie Ford entertained that. My mother, dad thoroughly enjoyed that because that was in their era. But we had a great time,

but it was about 1, 15, 13, 14, 4, we walked out of Augusta. Would you say you got a little fuzzed up that night? no I really didn't I really didn't because damn I was so damned excited I mean I did have a few with the members but as far as getting blasted I didn't do that I had to go to California at 8 o'clock the next morning

so Gretchen it sounds like Jerry had an easy job I mean you're out there pulling three words from 265 all Jerry had to do is hand him an 8-arm from 150 in the middle of Fairway exactly I mean he didn't let me off easy that's for sure Whose pay was better? Gretchen's or Jerry's? Ooh.

Well, to keep peace in the family, I'll say, Gretchen. Perfect. Do you remember how much your winner's check was? I thought him well. What was that again? Do you remember how much the winner's check in 79 was? Not very much. $50,000.

That is correct. Yeah. 50 grand. Hey, that ain't a bad week's work. I don't care what area. You're in 50 grand ain't too bad. But speaking of the money. Listen, now for four days.

That was, that was very big money back then. Yeah. Yeah. It's different ballgame now. So I want to ask you this because the money is so different right now. But like Colton was talking about earlier, it's so different out there now. You got the mental guys. You got the swing coaches.

You got everybody, these entourage, this is an individual sport. You think you would have had as much fun playing golf in today's era as you did when you played? Take away the money. Yeah. Yeah, I would. You just love golf, though. huh you just love playing golf well it's a game it's a damn hard game it's a hardest game in the world because the ball just sits there if the ball was moving it'd be so much easier because you're

you're reacting to a moving target now when the ball just sits in front of you and laughs at you and you got to do all the movement there's a lot of things that can go wrong a lot of things back in your air when you were when you got paired with guys was there anyone that just blew you where you're like my god this guy is so talented and good you know what? Sam Snee was the best player I've ever seen. Now, I mean, Bar Jack and Tiger and Arnold and Gary and all of them, but as far as ball hitting, now I never got to see Mr. Hogan hit balls. I've met him and I knew him, but I never got to see him hit balls.

But Sam, I got to play with and play with quite a bit. Play practice rounds with him, tournament golf with him. even at his older age. And without a doubt, he was the best ball striker had ever seen. I want to ask you about a guy that you became very good friends with, and his name is John Jacobs. You may remember this man, but your good friend, Lee Trevino had a quote about John.

Speaking of like crazy talented golfers, Lee Trevino had a quote about John Jacobs. And he said, if John Jacobs didn't have every single vice in the world, you would have never heard of Jack Nicholas. Now, that might be a little bit extreme, but would you put John Jacobs in that category, just crazy talent?

Yeah, I will say one thing. about JJ, he has experienced it all. He has done it all. And what a talent. What a great guy. What a great guy. You talk about a funny man. Oh, you get in. Oh, he's a funny man. Great, great person, great friend of mine. I mean, I just love him to death. But yeah, he's, he did it all in the golf. You two had to have some times together. It didn't make any difference where he was. Yeah. He was, he was JJ. But you two are cut from the same cloth. And I think you guys got pretty close with one another on the champions tour. You guys had to have some runs together, I would think, just in terms of having a good time out there. Oh, we, yeah, we always, we always kind of room together.

That's scary. When Hubert got sick on me, because I was always a roommate of Hubert Greens. We always got a condo together and room together. Then JJ slid in there, you know, it's a shamey, put Hubert on the, on the pine, but that's just the way it is. So, but, you know, it goes back, It goes back to that having fun, enjoying what you're doing, and we both thoroughly enjoyed what we were doing. Who paid for the real? You had a lot of fuzzy nights. Yes.

Yeah. This whole life has been fuzzy. Who paid for the condo, Fuzzy or JJ? Always split it half and half right down the middle. You bet. What's the scarier week in terms of the health of your body? Spending a week with John Daly, also your good friend, or spending a week with John Jacobs?

Or is it just, you probably won't, make it out of it. I've got to tell you, John Daly, yeah, John Daly that week would scare the hell out of anybody. This torch blows, his torch blows at both ends. J.J. will slow down every once in on, take a little break, have a little rest. John Daly does not do that. There is no rest for him. He just sees full bore 24-7. Like when you're dead. Exactly. I agree with that. But you mentioned how talented JJ was. I would say John Daly was kind of the next era of JJ. Who, in your opinion, who had more natural talent?

John Jacobs or John Daly? On the golf course. Natural talent. I'm going to say J.J. John Jacobs. That's incredible. That's shot. No, really. I mean, that's true. Now, John Daly came out.

He was the first long hitter that came out with a touch and an imagination around the green, which it takes to learn how to chip putt and all the good stuff. But he was one of the first long hitters that had that. touch and all that. Yeah, crazy hands. It doesn't get enough credit for that. But JJ was in a different era. This was pre-social media, pre-cams on every phone.

People didn't know about what was going on up there. If JJ played in the modern era right now, safe to say he would be the most, like, mythical, beloved figure on the PJ tour. I mean, his stories are legitimately hard to believe when you hear them. No, I agree. And, you know, what's mad. All of his stories are true. I know.

It's wild. People will go, what hell you didn't do that. He goes, yeah, I did. You know, it's like. It's like when he wrecked the motorcycle over in Taiwan. Taiwan, yeah. With his caddy. All right.

Come on, you can't make his stuff up. He is the best. He did it and got up the next day and won the tournament. So there you go. He is all time. Yeah, he's too good. We mentioned you won two major championships. I mean, how cool is it to win an Augusta National and Wingfoot,

arguably the hardest golf course in the world? 1984. You were in some rather pain when you showed up to Wingfoot. It's already going to kick the shit out of you anyway. Anyway, but you weren't feeling good going in. You know what's all part of it. Somebody, I had the back problems. I was wearing a TENS unit 24-7 just to keep walking.

But, you know, it's crazy how modern medicine, I finally got to the right doctor and I got it fixed September of 84. And I was off the tour for six months. Nobody even missed me in six months. But I was up in New York, hospital, special surgery, spending my six weeks in the hospital after the long operation, eight hours of something I know surgery. I had to teach myself how to walk again.

Once I got up walking off of that bed after two weeks of laying flat, I said, well, okay, so my golfing career could be over. But I fought back. The doctor, Dr. Ralph Markle did a marvelous job on me. At least he found out what it was, and it was all from cortisone. the two shots that I had taken in 79 up in Columbus, Ohio, two interns at the hospital, gave me these two big shots. And what it did, it hardened in my system as opposed to jelling like it's supposed to.

But it hardened and fused all my lower verbers together. So Ralph had to do a miraculous job of chopping all that away and getting my spine cleaned up. It took a while. It took six months. And I got to tell you, six months of a long time to be a sideline. No doubt. Especially when you're itching to get at it. Yeah, a little Advil and Vaca, right?

Isn't that the remedy for everything? This is before Vaca. Yeah, this is before. This is a Budazolidine. That was of days, you know. Sounds delicious. Two and three beauty. Yeah, it's something they gave the horse for pain.

And it worked for a while. And then eventually I had to get it done. Yeah. Self-medication, I find, to be the best route most of the time. I want to ask a question about that U.S. Open in 84 because I found it interesting on the 72nd hole. It's well known.

You waived the white flag when Greg Norman made the long putt, and you thought you had just lost. But I heard you say that a U.S.GA official came up and told you that it was for par. Right. What would have happened if he didn't do that? What would have happened? I'd have probably hit my six aren't the same place I hit it in the middle of green.

But the guy just came up out of the same place. I was, well, he was standing behind him. He was following our group in. And I saw Greg hit his T shot and then I saw the long putt. So what do I have to assume? I assumed he made three. And I'm thinking I'd look to my caddy Mike Mazzeo at the time. And I said, you know, he just beat us.

Because where the pin was, I'm not sure anybody could get it close. It was right on that front ledge at Wingfoot. Then it went down through a valley and up on a ridge. And I had 176 yards and I just striped a six iron right at it, which hit just a little short, but went through the valley and up on the back ridge. And my put had 10 feet of break in it. And I can only imagine where he made it from that back left corner, what he was looking at. Plus, the greens were bumpy and fast.

What a combination. And he makes it. Yeah. But yeah, the USGA guy came up to me before I hit my six iron and said that was for, four. And I looked at him and said, where in the hell to get a second shot to? He said in the stands to the right,

which Greg had a tendency to do if one got into the heat. He blew it up into the stands, which were 40 yards right of the green. So, hey. Then you went out Monday and slapped him around. I was just lucky. It was four, yeah.

Yeah, then you go out Monday and you guys go into an 18-hole playoff. The thing, I think you said it was like whole eight basically where that thing was over. But you've won two majors. You won them both. playoffs he played sudden death at the masters you had an 18 whole playoff at the u.s open which is the better format what do you prefer well i i prefer the sudden death only because you know you have your

audience there somebody should be crown champion that evening uh the 18 whole deal that's uh it's just takes another day out of your life we were in town so you might as well play golf uh the sudden death it's uh the way i like it i like the sudden death part of it i'm with you that thing needs to be decided on Sunday. I agree. Daylight. Yeah, five days of a U.S. Open could drive a man insane.

When you wave that white flag on the 70 second hole, did you have any idea that that would become as famous of a moment as it has? No, but I wished I had that little white flag, that white towel. But it was a little dirty after five days of being on the golf course. It was a little grubby looking. And I gave it to some little 12, 13 year old boy walked up,

can I have your towel? And I said, more than happy to. Go ahead. Get that dirty. thing off my golf bag. What a generous guy. I love it. But you know, obviously the game's changed a lot from your air to now.

Do you still enjoy watching golf nowadays with how the, I mean, obviously with the way the guys go about it? Do you want me to lie to you? I want you to tell the 100% truth. Take a sip of that truth. I enjoyed, I enjoyed the hell out of the writer cup because that was a good old butt whipping. You know, people say to me, how can you get beat? I said, when you get 12 or 24, the best place.

players in the world playing and 12 of those guys get hot. You can't beat them. And that was living proof what happened up at Whistling Strait. The United States was hotter than a firecracker and there's nothing you can do but sit back and just pat him on her back and congratulate them. How much are you watching weekend, week out? Are you just watching like Ryder Cups, majors, things like that? Are you checking out the, you know, just regular tour events as well?

No, honestly, I don't watch golf on TV. It's not that I don't have an interest. It's just I've had my time. It's time let the other people have good times and enjoy. But golf on TV is all right. They've got some good cast of characters out there right now. I have a hard time relating to how far these kids are hitting the ball nowadays. Are these young men, whatever you want to call them?

Yeah, I don't know. You drive the ball 400-some-odd yards like Des Chambot did. well hell that's too good pokes for me you know that's a good driving a good three wood and he's doing it all on one swing are you playing much golf anymore I don't play golf at all at all I have totally I have totally retired from it well I had a lot a lot of arthritis in my hands and I just got tired of the pain and now the pain is subsided since I've stayed

away from it my back doesn't hurt anymore yeah there's a lot of positive It's just giving the game up. But when I said I retired, I retired. And I meant it. It's not that I have ever looked back and missed it. I don't miss it. I miss the people. I miss the players,

but I don't miss the playing of the game. So what are you doing right now to fill your days? I know your big hunter-fisher, you spend the time doing that and working on a little fuzzies, working on a little fuzzies? Working on a little fuzzies. You're going to join me or he's going to sit there and talk all day? God bless you.

You know what? I do a lot of fishing when I'm in Florida. I've got a home down in Naples. As a matter of fact, where Gretchen's at. And then I also hunt. I just, I hunt almost every evening, October and November, part of December for deer. So I keep myself occupied. It's not like I'm just sitting on my butt. I'm absolutely doing something that I thoroughly enjoy. You know, there's nothing better. Go ahead. So you're a pretty good critic of golf. You have no problem. and Chase and I around and giving us your opinion on how bad we're playing. Well, I understand, but I'm trying to give Chase a little motivation, get his butt going. You know what I'm saying?

Yeah. I love it. All right. Well, Fuzz, every week here with our guests, we do a little segment called Emergency 9, where we ask nine fun questions to get to know a little bit more about you. So we're going to start right in. We ask this to everybody, and I have a feeling I might know the answer to this. It's going to be no one.

But you can trade lives with anyone for a day, whether anyone you've ever met, wanted to meet whoever it is trade lives with anyone for a day who would it be i want to be you answer i want to be you i want to be you well yeah i wouldn't i wouldn't switch my life for anything that's what i figured but you know i would i would love to be or no palmer just one day i don't blame you man had the charisma and just see how he handled it all the way through i mean i took notes and god bless him for uh teaching me all the things that he did teach me over the years that i knew him but just one day just that's all. You both,

you got some parallels. He both got drinks named after you. You got Fuzzies vodka and he's got the Arnold Palmer. So you're kind of the same guy already. You know what I mean? I know. God bless him. God bless him.

But he always put kettle in his. I couldn't, I couldn't get him to jump over. All I had to do was jump that fence. They would have put him in the fuzzy vodka. That's right. I had one fuzz for you, but you've already answered it throughout the interview.

So I'm going to audible this one right here to you, Gretchen, because as we were talking about before we went on, Last year you caddied for one of our close, close buddies, one of the best dudes in the world. Andreas Gonzalez is down in Alabama at a corn fairy tour event, and he told me, quote, Gretchen could drink me under the table without breaking a sweat. So can you confirm or deny that you can actually out drink Andres Gonzalez, who's not a small man, by the way? Yes, 1,000%. Is that because you're that good or he's that soft?

I'm that good. Okay, that accomplished. I won't be mean to AG. He's my buddy. No, he's the best. Softie. Okay. Well, then tell, uh, hold on a man.

Agee's a wimp. He's a softy. You know, he's, wait. Gretchen's a professional, trained professional like her dad. So, uh, yeah, you got to like Gretchen that battle. Yeah. Yeah. All right.

Well, let's just say Fuzzy did still, still play golf. Gretchen. You have to caddy for one more person again, and you can get to choose, Andres or Fuzzy. Which one would be the easier person to caddy for? Oh, AG. Andre's. We're sure.

I love it. Those are probably the two happiest golfers I've ever been around. Legitimately the two happiest guys on the golf course. Yeah, they are the best. You got a easy run. I do no wrong in his eyes. Dad would definitely keep me tilting the line for sure. Go caddy for Kevin Stadler one time and see the other side of that coin.

You test your medal. I actually played with him in the father's son, and it was an interesting one, wasn't dad? Oh, he's an all-timer. Is he not, he is a spitting image of his dad. You know that. It is unbelievable. It is unbelievable.

All the mannerisms, all this stuff. It's just uncanny. Yeah. Good family. Great family. You just got to pull them off the golf course. They just love being there. There's a couple of balls of sunshine out there.

You or me. I'll go. So I know you don't watch a whole lot of golf today, but is there any PGA tour player that somewhat reminds you of you a little bit? Hmm. Today? In today's, on today's, BJ. I'm not sure.

I'm not sure I've seen one out there. I think Joe Domain's kind of close. I mean, not swings, but personality. I mean, who's better than him? Maybe a Max Homa? Oh, yeah, Max would be a good one. Be one I throw in. Yeah.

Both those guys. Similar. There's only one fuzz, though. That's why you're on one name celebrity, dude. Like, you're Beyonce and Elvis. You say Joel, it could be a lot of Joel, you know. Good point. Very good point.

All right, Fuzzy, I want to ask you this one because we used to ask this to everybody and we eliminated it, but I'm curious to know your response. If a movie was made about the life of Fuzzy Zeller, who would you want to play you? Who would I want to play me? Yes. Somebody, somebody that was a gray head. You know what? Charleston, I think, would probably be a good one.

Well, yeah. Gretchen? Do you have any input? That's pretty impressive. He's got talent. He's a man had a lot of talent. So I'd say I'd have to let him far at it. I think he can do it.

Okay. Gretchen, do you concur? Would you go a different route? Yeah, I think that's a good one. But, I mean, if anybody I'd like to have, probably Kevin Costner, why not? He's done great golf. He's got a little golf swing too already, so we wouldn't have to work on that. That'd be the tough part.

Yeah. Okay. I'm not going to say anything. He needs a few more lessons, but I give him credit. He came out here at the Wolf used to be my charity term at the Wolf Challenge. And just performed, put on a hell of a show for the fans. I mean, I don't know what the fans could ask for anymore. And then he got up and entertained for two hours with his band.

Yeah, he would be a go-a-gretch. You're right. You're right. He also learned his golf swing from Gary McCord. So, I mean, you've got to cut the guy a break. He didn't have much of a chance to give it. You've got to cut a break after that. Yeah.

Yeah. The fact he can even grip the thing is a miracle after listening to McCourt. All right, Fuzz, next one. I want to know because this was a little bit public when this happened, but did John Daly ever forgive the wager you had with him for saying he would make it to 50 years old? Well, he's out lived three cats. You figure it out. So that's 27.

Yeah, he forgave me. I gave him a big bottle of vodka and they had it that evening. on his 50th birthday. I did it on the first tee down in Houston. But yeah, he forgave me. What a guy. That's a nice guy. You can just pay off any debt with a bottle of vodka.

That's nice for you too, because I bet you got a big inventory. You got a lot of bets you could pay off. Exactly. Exactly. But it was, it worked out fine. He didn't know it was coming.

So, and I didn't think he was going to live this long. He probably shouldn't have lived this long. And he'll tell you that, too. Well, JJ is still kicking too. And by God, He's defying all the odds right now. He probably lived to be 110.

Exactly. He's possible. He's like a cockroachian. They're too stubborn to die. He can't die. The immune system, I mean, shit, it's a bulletproof, dude. He's been through everything. These doctors tell you to work out, eat your greens, you know, don't drink alcohol.

Look at them. Don't take that. Don't take that too serious. They tell everybody that to walks in that door. You know, when I was over there today, he said, I need you to walk 15, 20 minutes a day. And I looked at him, I said, hey, it ain't going to happen. Don't even tell me that. I need you to shut up.

Stop telling me what to do. That's what I'm paying for, though. I'm paying for them to tell me to do something. All right. Last question for me. Other than yours, obviously. But what's your favorite champions dinner you've been to? Meal-wise and just hangout-wise.

Oh, there's been some good ones. How about if I give you the worst one? That's even better. I would love that. Sandy Liles, Sandy Liles and the Hagus might have been the worst. of all. What he said? Well, we all ate to Hagus.

You know, have you ever had Hagus? No, sounds horrible. Okay, well, don't ever do it. I mean, don't even take it on a dare because it's like brains and everything. Oh my God, it's just got awful. And Sandy's just over there, laughing it up, and I'm laughing at him.

How could you grew up on this stuff? How did you live? That's terrible. And then I've got to tell you, I see, who was it? Oh, my God, we have one more just a very plain white piece of chicken a mashed potato it wasn't very good Bubba Watson's oh but he gave you a little ice cream afterwards it had a little sparkles on it

that's the only thing I've raised that cup but either or not it's uh the dinners are outstanding they have they bring in their own chefs they cook the food there uh it's just the way the player likes it so uh but it's outstanding that's a great dinner to be in and To be able to go to and listen to all the BS that's happened over the years, especially for an older guy like myself. I hate to say it, but I am getting older, hear from the young guys. So I don't know what we're going to have this next year.

Do you normally, do you normally sit next to the same person each year? Do you in there? Do you normally sit next to the same person each year? No, we switch around. Switch around. Everybody kind of switches around. It is grab a seat when you get in there and sit down and you start getting served.

Well, I have a feeling if you like Japanese food, it'll be pretty good this year. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, I can imagine. And that can do it right. Yeah, it won't be haggis or whatever that. Huggis. What was it?

Haggis? I got to tell you something. A dead dog wouldn't eat that stuff. That's probably a ploy to just get food poisoning into all the great players in the room. And you can go ahead and knock them off the list of contenders for the week. All right. Last one for me, Fuzzy. Lee Trevino, Chi Chi Rodriguez, and Gary McCorn all.

sit down at a bar together. Whose vocal cords explode first? Okay, I'm going to have to go with litreinos. You think he can out talk all of them? Then Chi, then Chi, and then Gary. Gary will finally jump in after the other two have already shipped the pit. Yeah.

I love it. Well, Fuzzy, Gretchen, thank you so much for joining us. Everybody go out, get your Fuzzies vodka, code subpar, and get fuzzed up. Get fuzzed up. Exactly. Thank you for the time. I love you guys. Thank you so much.

Thank you. Both. That was Fuzzy Zeller and his daughter Gretchen, Gretchen joining us on golf subpar. She actually caddied for him in his last master's. By the way, he actually treated her kind of like a catty that last time. Yeah, she got the real experience. She also caddy for our boy, Andrez Gonzalez,

down on the corn fairy tour last year. And when I was talking to Dre before the show, he's like, dude, straight up, could drink me under the table. Like, the girl can go, like, she can hang out with the fellas. No problem. And it sounds like Fuzzy agrees with that. I love that. I mean, he was the last first time winner.

around Augusta National. He won at Wingfoot. I mean, he wins a big-time places. Yeah, and the interesting story with Greg Norman at that U.S. Open where he waved the white flag. Like, he thought that was for Bertie probably win the golf tournament, given where that flag was. And it turns out it wasn't. And then he gets into a playoff and that thing was over almost before it started. I found that story very, very interesting.

The fact that, you know, the USGA official just came up and said, by the way, that was for par. Like, you know, in my opinion, if he doesn't say anything, like, maybe it's changed. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. right there on 18 he could see or how quickly they get that thing changed. So, hey, that was actually for par, not for birdie. But yeah, that was a nice little scoop from Mr. Rules official coming over.

Like, hey, just in case you think that was for tweet, par. Because he made a bomb, I mean, from the back of the green, but he had in the grandstands apparently before that fuzzy couldn't see it. Yeah, but what a personality, man. I would have loved to have been in that air and seeing those guys, you know, after the round, they're going to the bar, not the gym, having a few drinks. Really, really fun.

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Maikoba went down to Myiko, played really good golf. if Victor has any sort of hiccups there. He's right there trying to win that thing. But I'm going just slightly further down the board on a guy right now that is trending. Taylor Gooch going off at 30 to 1. So the Gooch man, running smooth. The Gooch is running smooth right now. It's four starts this season.

Fourth, 11th, fifth, and 11th. We call that trending in the biz. But, I mean, shot 74 in the final round this past week at Maikoba with Victor Hovlin in the final group. I think he's just getting a little more comfortable to being in the heat, being in the moment, trying to contend on a Sunday. I really like where he's at. He has not played a bad round of golf, really, until that 74 this entire year. I'm going to go with Taylor Gooch at 30 to 1.

Ride that hot hand. That double bogey on the last, took him from a tie for fifth to 11. That one's stung. That's a bank account herder right there. Well, you mentioned who I'm going with. He's due for his first win. Scotty doesn't know. He's a Texas boy plus 1,800.

I think if he, I mean, he played great in Austin at the match play last year, almost got his first win there. I think there's no better place for him to get his first win than in Texas plus 1,800. Scotty Schaeffler is your favorite. Going down the board for some value. This man finished tied for 15th at this golf course last year, Memorial Park. He's going off at 70 to 1 HV3.

Harold Barn. Speaking of looking for that first one, it'll be a happy day for a lot of people when HV3 gets it done. I'll go around that same number in terms of odds. I'm going to go with McKinsey Hughes. Kind of a quiet assassin. Has some big weeks, play some good golf. Doesn't get a ton of height, but he's going off at 60 to 1.

His last start out there. He finished fourth at the Zozo. So in his 12 rounds this year that he's played, he's only shot over 71 one time. He's just a guy that doesn't really beat himself, just kind of A to B, and he's there a lot of times. And I think this is the kind of golf course that he could go up there and sneakie contend on. So McKenzie Hughes, 60 to 1. Trivia question. Where did McKenzie Hughes go to college?

Kent State. Good job. Hello. Yeah, dude. A Canadian feeder. Canadian feeders. I know my Canadians, dude. Shout out to my Canadian peeps.

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And there's a whole process behind it. Yeah, so it kind of makes sense, honestly. All right. Well, that's going to do it for us. Everyone, have a great week. We'll talk to you on next week's golf subpar.