Subpar - Gary McCord Interview: Working with David Feherty and behind the scenes of making Tin Cup

Episode Date: March 3, 2020

On this week's episode, former PGA Tour pro and broadcasting legend, Gary McCord joins former PGA Tour pro Colt Knost and his close friend and on course rival Drew Stoltz for an exclusive, in-studio interview. The longtime CBS broadcaster shares stories on everything from working with David Feherty to the behind the scenes creation of the classic film Tin Cup.

Hello world. It's time for another episode of golf subpar. Sleazy, always good to see you. Big week in the game of golf. The Honda Classic just wrapped up. And my guy, Sung J. Don't say it. Hoist the trophy. Don't say it. Go ahead. A, dynamite intro, love the hello world called B. I'm still a little pissed off being that your guy, Sung J.M. 1. I've been waving the pom-poms for this guy for a year. Talk to the other tour players. Hey, here's the next kid coming up. You have never seen a guy hit the ball like Sun Jain. J.M. Duties, unbelievable. This is the next thing to pop on the PJ tour. I've been betting him every single week to win. I've been saying it everywhere. This is the next guy up. This is the next guy up. Just basically copying everything that I was being told throughout the

time. The one week I don't pick him. The first week we start doing our gambling stuff, you swoop in and sniping from me. I get, I don't get him at all. I get stuck with some other dudes. And he comes in and wins the golf from it. So, I mean, that's more on me than anything, but I'm a little bit still. If we hadn't just had the barn rat in the building, and I wasn't still riding high from that, I'd be really pissed off. But I'm going to allow it just because I'm still in honeymoon phase

after the rat. I will say, I did swoop in and I have to ask, was it kind of bad form? I mean, you've been with him every week. You leave him for one and I swoop in and pick him up. It's kind of like, you know, when your buddy's dating a girl

and then they break up and like, how long do you have to wait? That's the exact analogy I was going to be like, I just got out of a serious relationship with Sung J.M. for a year. Things were really serious. We break up for one, and next week,

and you're like, hey, want to go out to dinner? want to come on and hang out he's so much happier with me oh my and he comes in and has his has his best week of his career so of course standard issues the way it's going to go got a little bit of hole we'll get more into our gambling picks a little bit later on but yes thank you for bringing that up i'm very pissed that i got stuck the one week in the last year that i haven't bet on sung jm he wins the golf tournament standard issue i love it but what a tournament it was wins the golf tournament six under par i mean pjna national once again just shows how brutal this place is

arguably the hardest non-major golf course on the on the beach tour i mean only 16 guys finished under par for the week it's actually it's actually awesome and i want to get your take on this because i know how i feel as a fan not being in golf just watching golf i like to see hard golf courses i like to see the best players in the world struggle now you've played for a number of years you were in that i don't know what it was like when you were playing it but now that you're on the other side and you're a massive media the member of the media now you're no longer playing you're on the other side of the ropes. Do you like watching these really difficult golf courses?

You like seeing the carnage that's going on out there as opposed to when you were a player like, oh my God, dude, it's Honda Week. Like, this is going to be a grind. Yeah, it's a tournament that I always looked forward to just because you knew going in how hard it is and you know you can't fake your way around it. But at the end of the week, you're just like, thank God that's over with

because it's so stressful. It's so hard. There's zero let up on that golf course. And, I mean, just making PARs is such a struggle. And I enjoy it. Even now watching it, like, I love watching because I don't have to hit any of the shots. Of course.

But it's such a fair test. I mean, it's hard. It's hard as any place there is, but it's fair. There's nothing tricked up. I mean, the wind wasn't out of control. Blue 1520. Normal, normal South Florida wind. And the golf course isn't 7,800 yards long.

It's just, it requires perfection. You just got to hit perfect shot, perfect shot, perfect shot, perfect shot, perfect shot, repeat for 18 holes, and you're going to be fine. You won't make any big numbers and just do it for four days in a row. But there's more, you've played every tour, every venue on tour, basically. There's got to be, there's water on 16 of the 18 holes out there that come into play. There's got to be more lurking disasters, I would think, at that place than any other golf course on tour. Fair?

Totally. I mean, there's just, there's water everywhere. It's like one swing and all of a sudden, that could be triple. Yeah. Or an 11, like our guy Matt Every. A little 11 piece, never, never a good way to get it going. A little 11, not on the bear trap, actually, on the part 3 fifth, which, by the way, is a monster that doesn't get enough love because it's not on the back nine. You don't see it on TV as much.

but our boy Matt Every, quick little four, four piece in the drink before he got it on land and walked away with the crowd pleasing 11. Got to respect that. And sign the scorecard for an 85. 85 with a bogey, I think he made a tweet on the bear trap coming in on like 15 or something. So he bounced back for a little 85. A lot of heart. He did not give up. So props him out every.

But let's get to the main event of the Honda classic and that was sung J.M. Put on an absolute ball striking clinic. Goes in there. Starts the day. Three shots back. closes in 66. Unbelievable performance. Ended up beating McKenzie Hughes by a shot and Tommy Fleetwood by two. Tommy had a chance at the end.

Birdied 17, awesome putt, stripes it off 18, got caught in between clubs, and also maybe a yell from a fan at the top of his back swing when he was going for the green and two, blocked it right in the water. What was your thoughts on what happened with the fan? I hated that. And Tommy, like, props to Tommy because he came out in his post-game interview and said, like, hey, I didn't hear the fan. So for those who didn't see it, a fan at the top,

you can hear it clear his day on the broadcast top of the back swing get in the hole right the guys that yell that type of stuff. Tommy in his postgame interview said hey I didn't hear it. It didn't affect me. I hit a bad shot and it is what it is. He took full rap for it, which props to him because like even if he did hear it, if you say, yeah, I wouldn't have hit that shot if I hadn't heard that at the top of my back swing. I think he handled it the right way. I have a hard time believing he didn't hear it because if the boom might picks it up or as we call it in the biz, the fluffer mic, mic. If that picks it up, I got to think the Fleetwood heard that, but he didn't say anything about it. But I just hate seeing like this guy,

grinds for four days, plays incredible golf here. It comes down to the biggest shot of the golf tournament and all of a sudden there's a dude in the van. Good in the hole. I hate that. I don't know how you stop it, but it was a tough way for the tournament to end. And Tommy Fleetwood, by the way, going for his first PJ Tour win. I love Sung J.M. That's pretty well known. But Tommy deserves one. He's been there so many times and he's been so close. Like there was no bad ending in that thing. I just didn't like to see it the way that it ended, especially with the fan yelling. But I don't know how you stop it. He's so good. And it's so unfortunate. with what happened, but it is what it is.

There's nothing you can do. I don't, I mean, I don't know what you do. It happens all the time. Happens every week. And fans do a good job of, like, policing it and saying, hey, this is the dude that did it. And they get tossed out or whatever, just like it happened with Brian Palmer on 15, but it's over. The damage is done. He's hit in the water.

He lost the golf tournament. Boom. Okay. So what, like, cool. He's kicked out. He can't come back till next year. I don't know. Yeah.

It's very unfortunate, but I think we can both agree. Tommy Fleetwood is going to have plenty of more, plenty of opportunities to get his first W and I think he'll once he does knock one off it'll be the first of many yeah everyone says that's like you know when phil lost the open to pain steward back at pinehurst pain was like hey dude don't worry you're gonna win a bunch of these you just never know like i think Tommy was gonna win on the PJ tour but like man it just changes like the whole the whole deal that ain't easy to win out there when you let one get away like that especially with the guy y'allna at the top of your back swing like that's tough that's tough of your back swing like that's why i'm hit in the water i mean if that's the guy y'allon at the top of your back swing like that's why i hit in the water i mean if that's that's would have been me. Even if I didn't hear it, I'd have been, and they told me. Blame everyone. Like, oh, yeah, I knew. I knew there was something that happened. Of course, dude. I'd never miss my high cut five wood from 240, ever. That's my shot. Yeah, so he did. He handled incredible. But there was some other news going on during the Honda

Classic. And Paul Aisinger ruffled some feathers. Some fellers. Some fellers. Yeah, he ruffled some feathers. Yeah, he ruffled some feathers when he made some comments about the European tour and other tours, not quite being up to the level of the PGA tour. Yeah, that's, you're about to enter this world, Colty. You're about to get on that broadcast game with CBS here coming, what, New Orleans? New Orleans. That's when you make your debut. Everybody get ready for that.

But in my opinion, it's one of the hardest things. It's one of the hardest jobs in sports. It seems easy, as you sit on your couch, like, oh, that's a stupid thing to say. Why didn't he say that? Azinger got caught up with something he said. And I don't think it was the message of what he was trying to say. It was just the way he said it. I think Aisinger is very honest, very good.

But he said, yeah, you know, Tommy Fleetwood's won over there on that, quote, unquote, that European tour making it sound like, that tour is lesser and that whatever you do over there doesn't matter. I don't think that anyone could argue that the PGA tour is the best tour in the world, right? There's more depth. There's better players. There's more money. There's all that.

But like at the end of the day, it's hard to win anywhere. And so you can't just erase what he's done over there. But he said that you're, you know, that, that tour over there. And that's what got everybody, you know, all riled up. Twitter came at him. Ian Polter responded to it said, hey, dude, guess what? We've had our way with you pretty much in every Ryder Cup over here in Europe. So maybe take back what you said.

Lee Westwood commented, I have won 44 times across the world. world like that's something it was just the way he said i don't think it was the message that he was trying to convey but the way he said it i think was taken wrong it's one of those things i think you say it and then in the back of your mind you're like that didn't come out the way i wanted it too you're about to enter that world so i think i've already it's already happened to me you get in there first week in new orleans and start taking some shots at some people maybe go at the internationals go with the europeans just say something really off color and not a line and it'll get good no such thing is bad pubs you get in there and mix it up quick i did uh i was doing the wc in memphis

last year and Cameron Smith was playing good and we're talking about him all day and it was I think on Friday and I was in the booth for five straight hours and it's coming towards the end of it you start getting kind of a little delusional out there you've been watching a thousand golf shots and I was like I was like Cam Newton you know for birdie or whatever and like a minute later I'm like I look at the spotter and I go did I just call it I just say Cam Newton and she goes yeah and I go oh apologies yeah I met cam Cameron Smith it's almost football season I got a little excited yeah just kind of covered it. is hard to go through live mic, live TV, live radio, whatever it is without saying something

stupid or something that doesn't come across like, ah, I didn't really quite mean it that way that it came out. It's a tough, tough deal. I think golf in particular, it's even tougher because guys are so quick to jump on people when they don't say the right thing. So you're about to enter that world that I don't envy it. But if someone does come on you on Twitter, I got your back. Me and my Legion of 12 followers will be a little guard dogs. I love that. I'll tell you the best part about the story with the Cam Newton comment was about an hour before that. our next guest, Gary McCord, text me, he was listening to the broadcast.

He goes, hey, I'm listening. Say something stupid. And I did that. And he goes, there it is. Perfect. Waiting for it. You know you could do it. Proud of you.

Proud of you. Yeah, but it was funny. But back to the Honda Classic. Big shout out, Sung J.M. getting his first of many. I'll pick him for every week from this point forward. I will never make that mistake again. Are you kind of teasing one of your picks?

Actually, I don't think I'm picking him this week. But every week from after this week going forward, I'll never make, I can't live with myself. All right, Colt, it's time for us to get into funny money. And Honda Classic, not the only major event taking place in South Florida this week. The Monday immediately following the Honda Classic, big time pro member at Seminole Golf Club. I've never been there. Most of the golfing planet will never go there and play in this event. However, you have played there and you got a good story from being down there.

Let the people in on a little dirt from the Seminole pro member. Yeah, I think I played three times. The last being a couple years ago, actually was coming back as the defending champion sleaze. Oh, wow. So you won as a pro? It's true. Yeah. I did.

Okay. Me and my partner, Christy Flanagan, great guy from Dallas. I've been a member at Seminole for years. Called me several years ago. Asked if I'd come play. Had an awesome time. I think we won in our second year playing. So in the locker room at Seminole, they have this huge board up there with all the winners of it.

I mean, the names are ridiculous. Ricky Fowler, Buddy Marucci, your partners, me, Chris is playing again. All right. Ernie L's, Jack Nicholas. Really cool. Cool. Cool place. I mean, if you look at the, just the field, it's, it's unbelievable.

I know, I know this year Phil's playing with Jimmy Dunn, Kevin Strillman, Larry Fitzgerald, Jack Nicholas is playing. I think I told you earlier, one of the first years I played, we were on number 10 T. Well, the same tee time off number one was Jack Nicholas and Arnold Palmer. Same time. Yeah. And then it's me and Sean O'Hare. Okay.

Over here. Hey, guys, over here. Yeah. Hey, we're teeing off too. Come on watch on watch. Come over and watch me at the store. driver forget jack and arnie yeah but it's uh it's a cool place and like i said did get to hoist the trophy one year the next year was my last okay partner was not impressed with my actions i don't believe

actions meaning how you played or actions meaning outside of how you played in golf kind of both okay uh so i'm gonna blame gary woodland for part of this sure one of our favorite guests here so far uh finished up the honda me and him went out a little sunday evening celebration having a time you know the the hotel there at pj national gets a little wild and we got amongst it amongst it yeah good good as you should i was uh 7 30 a m the next morning that's that's a tough showed up not feeling the best okay okay a little rough warm up a little dizzy okay uh we go through think i bog the first second i get in the fairway bunker kind of under the lip a little uphill i hit it took a tumble fell fell on my ass fell into the bunker yeah after the fairway

Bung your shot. Okay. Partner wasn't too impressed. That'll happen. I didn't have much to say to me the rest of the day. I think you shot about 76, 77, and haven't been back since. Okay. Well, I got one though.

You had a hell of a run. You hoisted it and your name's in the locker room. What else is there? You know what? I got a little drunk and fell down in a bunker. I was like, big deal. I was looking. I was like, maybe he doesn't play anymore.

That's why I don't get invited back. I looked this morning. Nope. He's playing. You got Carlos Ortiz. So he's back. He's just, click.

Upgrade button. Yeah. Yeah, no, we're done with him. You think Jack and Arnie ever falling down in a fairway bunker out there? 100% of course, dude. Who hasn't? Yes. Who hasn't?

I mean, this is what, don't put me at 7.30. That's a tough time on a Thursday, much less a Monday after you survived Honda Classic. But it is, it is a super special event. Guys have a great time and the field is unbelievable. Yeah. Pro member, now that you are not a member nor a pro. Oh, you still are a pro? Are you going to get to your Amistad?

Are you going to apply for that? Is that something you're into? I talked to Jason Gore about that. How long? Like eight years. Eight? Yeah. Are you going to do it?

Well, you know if I'm going to be alive in eight years. It's a very good point. If you are alive in eight years and you apply, let's play the four ball together. Okay. Deal. Done. Done. That's ink.

So we're the favorites for the 20, 29 four ball. That's so far from now. I might not be around either. All right. But now it's time for Colt v. Drew, which, you know, for those of you keep me scored home, it's two to one. It's rigged. I'm not on board with that.

The scoring is very subjective. You got a grease producer Mark a little bit. This is like a fence to it. This is. like boxing right now. I feel like I've won both fights. I haven't won yet. Producer Mark, what do we got this week? Sort of building off that story. Bigger event this week, the Seminole Pro member or the Arnold Palmer Invitational? Both huge, but with the legacy Arnold Palmer has left behind, there's definitely no

question, it's the Arnold Palmer Invitational. One of the coolest events on the PGA tour. I was lucky enough to play it several times, and it really is an honor to tee it up in his tournament. Hate to agree with Colt. Got to go with anything with the name Arnold Palmer on it is bigger than any tournament where Colt has actually hoisted the trophy. So I'm going 100% Arnold Palmer invitational. Good answer. All right. Better golf movie.

Caddyshack or Tin Cup starring this week's guest. Oh. On the spot. On the spot. Just because he is in tin cup, I'm going with Caddyshack. Bill Murray is one of my favorite actors of all time. That movie, I mean, you can quote the whole thing. is absolutely incredible.

A classic. I think even if you're not a golfer, you love Caddyshack. Yeah, that's one of those ones. It'll be around. It's been around for however long it's been around now. It'll be around in another 30 years. I like the fact that you're catering to our guests.

I'm going to go on the other side of that and say, Caddyshack. I love Ten Cuck. I said, I thought you said because our guests is no. From Ten Cuck. I did. But then you're picking Caddy Shack. Oh, that's why you're picking Caddyshick.

I kind of tune out sometimes. I'm just talking. I'm going Cadyshack as well. It's been around for forever. it will stand the test of time probably the most quotable movie take out take away golf quotable just quotable in general it's hard to get through around with with your buddies without somebody quoting a line from caddyshack i'll go caddyshack too i need you to listen on the other side oh okay well that's tough i'll work on all right future subpar guest tony romo just got paid looking at it from that

perspective see a better broadcaster or a professional better professional quarterback go first since you've been getting to go first. I'm going to go better broadcaster because all you got to do right there. My philosophy in life, you get paid what you're worth. And the fact that he's just signed basically a supermax deal in the world of broadcasting, the highest broadcaster, the highest paid broadcaster, or color guy at least at CBS. That makes him the best in the world at what he does in terms of pay. I don't think he ever was better than Tom Brady or Aaron Rogers, those guys he was competing against. So I'm going to go broadcaster, no question. I mean, we're agreeing a lot today. And I'm going to have to agree once again.

I mean, I'm a diehard Dallas Cowboy fan. He never got us a Super Bowl. So I'm very disappointed with him. Take some shots out of him. Yeah, you suck. Yeah. There you go. There you go.

I love Tony Romo as a football player, but as a broadcaster, it's absolutely incredible. What he can do, how he sees the defense, predicts plays. I mean, he's right so many times it's unbelievable. He, I mean, it's, it's, he's so talented at this broadcasting thing. It's unbelievable. And it's like we said earlier, it's a hard job. And he makes it look very simple. But I will say the man sitting next to him, Jim Nance helps out quite a bit.

It ain't bad being in the booth with the best in the business of getting teed up from a guy like Jim. But you get paid what you're worth. It's true. And apparently he's worth more than anyone in that game. So got to go broadcast it. All right. On theme with this week's tournament, better golf drink. The Arnold Palmer or the azalea?

Well, I don't know what the azale. What is inside of an azalea, would you say? I don't know. They make it at the Masters. I believe it's Greedine. Oh, yeah, yeah. I know what that is. Remember?

I didn't play there. Yeah, Colt. Colt said no. He RSVPed no to the Masters. I will say Arnold Palmer for sure. I love it. Throw a little vodka in there. Makes it incredible.

Yeah, that's a good point. Just for the sake of argument, since we've been on the same side of so many of these, I'll say the Azalea because it is such a staple of the Masters. You only get it in one place. or at least it's only known in one place. That's the trademark drink of the Masters. I will go with the Azalea just to be on the other side of the argument with you.

I feel like the azalea is probably like a pink drink, which you're definitely a. I'm into it. I'm definitely into it. Yeah. The softer, the better. Yes. All right. Last question for this week.

Who would have a better performance at the NFL scouting combine, Colt or Drew? Go ahead. Go ahead. Go ahead. This one's not even fair. Perus and Mark. What in the hell it is? Good question, Mark.

I like this question. Good talk for hours. Slees thinks he's the greatest athlete. I mean, in the world. He's the best at every single sport he does. I'm in the mix. If he could just get the chance, you know, he would dominate. Never got my shot.

I'm not the most athletic guy in the world. That's why I'm a golfer. So I will give this one to Slees, even though it's, I mean, it's stupid. This is great. More of these questions where Colt has no choice but to defer to me. I would say, combine, I'm going to vote for myself. Very sneaky 40-yard dash, also vertical leap plus or minus. What do you think you're in the four-digants?

Five. I was going to ask if you could break five. Five is everyone says they can break five. I don't think there's that many people that can really break five. I would need some training for a little bit, but I put it right around the five mark. I saw on there the other day, there was a six seven,

367 pound man that ran a five one 40. That's just, these dudes are turning into mutants. There was a linebacker that ran a sub four four. The dude from, the dude from Clemson. Yeah. Sub four four linebacker.

Yeah. Two 40. Cool. You got that. Yeah. All right. Producer Mark. Time has come.

All right. So I left the part out. Arnold Palmer's my favorite drink of all time. If anyone chose the azalea, they were defunct loser. There you go. Coal is up three to one. Shocker. Shocker,

Colt wins again. Yep. What do you know? Should have said Arnold Palmer. This is getting out of hand. The bias is becoming so blatant that it's on. We can't even take it seriously at this point. Sorry about your another L for you.

All right. Well, I think it's time for us to get to the main event. Okay. our very special guest this week, the one and only Gary McCord. There's no one better. They're going to get a lot of stories here. A few even that I haven't even heard yet. He's one of the best in the business. And this was a fun, fun hour, whatever it was that we spent with him. He is very willing to talk. This is by far the least you and I talk. That's the best. That's the best case scenario. I mean, we don't say anything. No, we basically turn the mics on. Hey, here's Gary. And

an hour later, we're like, all right, that was it. All right. Well, the time has come. Here's Gary McCord. All right, we are very excited to welcome our next guest to the subpar podcast. If you've watched golf at any point in the last 33 years, then you know who this man is. In my personal opinion, the best golf broadcaster to ever do it. We found him this morning in the unemployment line down in Phoenix, and we promised if he did the podcast, we would give him a sandwich. So here he is.

Gary McCord, welcome to the show, my man. Well. What have we got here? Zing! Quick zing. Got you with the unemployment zing. Quick, just to get you on your toes. I've been in a lot of career busters.

This could be it. This is the one. If you haven't ruined yourself yet, this is it. I have idea. I think I have. So this is it. I'm just so happy you guys are employed. I really am.

It's a shock to us all. We haven't got paid yet. We don't have been doing this for free. You never know. This is a pro bono type deal. You're going the right direction. So I'm, I'm very proud of you two guys.

I really have you stuck to it. You know, we talked about this a couple of years ago. Let's get this thing going. You guys got to learn this business, do this, do that. So good on you guys. Thank you. Wow. Thank you, Madge.

That's probably the last nice thing we're going to say about anyone around here. Of course, the bar is low right now, so it's a good time for entry. You know what I tell you what? These three athletes here, we can deal with low bars. We can lower it even further. Yes, we can. Exactly. But pretty cool for you to be on this spot.

got a very interesting hat on that I want to get to here. It looks homemade in some former fashion. I know this is an audio pod. We got a video too. Why don't you tell people what it says what it means? Well, it's uh it says need work. Um, so self-explanatory. Yeah, I could, um, the hat, uh, the hat at the whisper rock cost me 27 bucks, but I can write it off if it's an advertisement. So I'm advertising for work. How's that going so far? Any takers? Not good. No. You're on the pod. You're on a massive podcast. You know when people come up to you and they kind of deter and go the other way, that's where I am right now. Like it's awkward. Like they don't want to have the conversation. They don't want to have a conversation. They just kind of put their head down and just walk that

way. So anyway, I'm out there and I'm willing to do just about anything. Just about anything. As you see right now. This is rock. This is what rock bottom looks like for the world's best golf broadcast. We're a part of it. What do you guys get 70 people watching this? By mistake. Your family. He's got a big family. He's got a big family. Yeah, there's four of them right there. So, okay.

I watch it like five or six times just to boost the views. You know, that's a little trick of the trade. I was like, guys, this thing's really exploding. And we got a dozen views already. All right, Gary, we got to talk about this. So this is our little podcast set we have here. And you decided to bring a little extra decor to it. Can you explain to us these beautiful flowers in this?

Yeah, explain this whole setup right here. Okay. And in 100 years, I've been on television. We always have set decorations. You can't. I watched Roms deal with you guys. Right. And you're just sitting here with this wallpaper that's not wallpaper.

That's cheap wood, dude. That's cheap. That's cheap. That's cheap. There's nothing here. There's no life. There's a couple beautiful pictures. We got our faces over here.

Like I said, like I said. So this is a set decoration is what this is. It gives a little nature and a little liveliness to the festivities. I like that. Okay. Those are nice. And so these flowers, you got flowers and then just pie. Yeah, explain this that you freshly made before you came out in here.

Right before we started. I had no idea what you're doing. It's about discipline. And as you know, golf takes a lot of discipline. You have to get focused. And I, every week fast, I started last week one day. This week is two days. So I ate seven.

Saturday night at 7 o'clock. And this is what? This is Monday. This is Monday. Monday. And I haven't had. God, it's good to be retired. Anything to eat in two days.

And I have two, I've got two hours left. And this is disciplined because you know how good that looks? I shouldn't ask you. That really looks good to me. And I am disciplined now to not. partake. Okay. It's like a temptation. Two days. Yeah. Two days, no food. What's going to, what's going to be the first meal back tonight? You, you have to go really light. Okay. Because you've kind of flushed things and I've had last night five trips. Of course,

I'm 100. Five trips to the John last night. Okay. Okay. Get into this. No, this is perfect. I want to know about your bathroom. Water. Well, it's when you get old. Talk. Look at me when you talk. Yeah. Doesn't work. Yeah. Doesn't work. Um, so I, I, I'm drinking so I got no sleep and I've had nothing to eat. And I really want to fight of that. That's going to be your reward for doing this next. That's where I am right. Why are you doing that? Cause like what's the point?

You're a skinny, like you're, if anything, you should be trying to gain weight. I feel like you're a skinny guy. Like what's the point of like, hey, I'm going to fast for an extended period. It's not. Why are you doing that? I'd be like me fasting. Dude, I need to eat more. Is that literally what it is like, yo, let me see if I can do this.

Yeah. I get bored all the time, but I never fast. No, you're a reverse faster. Yeah, let's go drink. That doesn't even solicit. I'm going to see how many postmates can deliver to my house in the next hour. Yeah, there you go. I have a hell of a record with postmates, by the way.

I believe it. It's first name basis. All right. So this is what you do when you're bored and you're not working. Yeah. Let me see if I can fast for a couple of days. I am twitcher than hell right. I could sense it.

We offered you a cocktail before and you like, do I haven't eaten in two days. You have to have coffee. You have to have coffee. So I load it up on a coffee. That kind of gets you through it a little bit. Coffee is not wearing out. You don't need. coffee period. You're like

ADD times 100. You don't need any uppers. I used to do this on telecast too. We're going to be out there for a while. If you want to gear it up, don't eat for about 10 hours prior to the telecast and you will gear it up. You'll go. What should Colt do that? Because blood sugar is running

really high. I might black out. What should Colt do this? I'll black out and call Cam Spout and Cam Duns. I actually already did that. Yeah, I already did it. That's rookie stuff. So this is what you're now that you have a little time off. You've been working in television for 33 years. What's it like for you the first time now that you're not working?

Is it weird if you're a golf watcher, right? You watch golf, you, you observe the tournaments, things like that. How weird is it for you to be at home watching these things and not be working them? Yeah, it's, it's different from the perception. I'm now, I'm now the witness. I'm not part of it. I'm the witness. I can sit back and go, oh, ooh, oh.

And you can kind of react to it from a position that I've never had before. Right. For a long, long time. So it is, and it's, it just so happens that my former network is not doing as well as they would like with the golf broadcast at this point. I've never seen anything quite as negative as I've seen coming out of everywhere about what's going on. So I have a lot of empathy towards those. my friends right and I don't want to see them fail but they're getting blasted it's it's not a good time when you're watching like at home you're watching this past weekend or whatever are you

critiquing are you listening and being like ah that's a problem or oh that was really good or things like are you you've been in this business for so long when when you probably listen to the broadcast actually pay attention to it more than like the average listener right the average guy watching tv are you look critiquing every single when they kick it down to the fairway and and somebody says something Are you like, oh, that was good or oh, that was bad? You've got to pay attention to that more than anyone I would think. I paid attention to the flow, okay? Let's take sitcoms.

Okay. If you're going to produce a sitcom, I'm going to go in it. I'm going to find four people that are totally different. And I'm going to put them in a bar in a room. Anyway, you can start with I Love Lucy, and you can go to Cheers, and you can go to modern fans. family and now Shits Creek. Sure.

And everyone is different. You don't put the same people in a room and go talk. Five of the same characters, basically. It's going to come out the same. Every time it's going to be dull and boring. This is entertainment. There's people sitting home on a couch watching golf. Okay.

Now, if you take a side and it's always opposing sign, Jane, you ignorant. Okay. Saturday night, why? That's how you do it. You go after. Now, these people instead of surfing, instead of surfing, wait, but hold it. I like his position, or I don't like his position,

but they have a vested interest now in what they're watching on television. If we're arguing about something, if you go, wow, that was a great shot, and let's go to Gary. Oh, that's a wonderful. Colt, how about that one? Oh, that was fantastic.

Are you kidding me? You can't have that. You've got to have this ridicule. Some guy's got to jack it up, and other guy's got to break, and you've got to get those people together and put your team together and do it. And that's what we are lacking at this point,

in my humble opinion. Yeah, and so we're discussing, like, what is going on with you right now and what has happened, but I want to know, like, how did all this even start? You know, you were obviously trying to play the tour for quite a long time. You played over 400 PGA tour events,

and then all of a sudden, you switch over to the dark side is what people are referring to me now that I quit playing this game. They're like, you're switching over to the dark side, and we're actually going to talk about this game for living. How did this all even come about? Because, I mean, 400 events, that's a lot of PJ Tour events.

That's a real career. That's, yeah, that's a lot of miss-cots. A lot of miss-that's a lot of Ms. Cuts. That's a lot of Thursday Friday, dude. Okay, real quick, I was on, this was 19806. I'm on, we're playing the golf tournament, the Colonial, and the next tournament is Jack Nicholas's golf tournament, Memorial. I'm on the policy board, one of the four players that represent the tour.

That'll tell you what desperate shape they were in at that point, that I was a director. And I was going to Jack Nicholas's tournament because we had policy board meetings for a couple of days. I was in the golf tournament. It wasn't an invitational. I didn't play many invitations. It wasn't high enough on the money list. So I get on the airplane to go there, and sure enough, in the first class section, of course, was Frankshire Kenyon, who started the business. There was Pat Summerall, there was Ken Venturi that was Ben Wright,

and they're all heckling me as I went back to the back. So about halfway through the flight, here comes a half-drunk bottle of wine, cheap wine, to me, because they're drinking. I go back and take it to 27B back there. So I got it and everything. I was sitting there, okay, you know what, I got an idea. So I'm dead broke at the time.

I mean, I am flat out. I'm doing push-ups just to stay warm. I go back to the front and I said, Frank, I said, listen, I said, question, is there, is there a chance I can come out and watch how television is done? I'm on the policy board. I'm making decisions as to CBS NBC, ABC at that time on policy decisions on television. I don't know how you guys do it. And he looked at me and goes, yeah, yeah, if you want to do that, come out, come out Friday, come out Friday. and I said, okay, but Wednesday is our last policy board meeting, and I haven't got any reservations. And he goes, all right, we're staying at the stofers. Check in. I'll have them check in.

Oh, okay, fine. Perfect. Perfect. So I show up there. Check in. The first time I've ever had, like, real room service, so I didn't care, right? I'll take the steak. I'll have it all. Bring me two of everything. The left side of that menu, I got it. And I was having a ball. So we go down and he says, I'll see ya up. Come out Friday. I go out there Friday and I'm going to sit behind him. You've been in the trucks. And there's 132 monitors up there.

There's stuff all over it. And there's guys sitting there with those slide rules going like this and then it's just chaos. Chaos. So I walk in, I sat behind him and somebody goes, hey, McCord's here. Frank turns around and goes, hey, get your ass out to 16. No, I came in to watch. Get your ass out to 16. Okay.

Okay, here I go. So I got it, because when Frank yelled at you, you paid attention. So I'm walking out to 16 at Memorial at Mirfield Village. And I'm thinking, all right, I'm going to be on the 16th T. I'm going to be a spotter. Spotter looks in the clubs, the bags of the players, and the caddy usually flashing him, and he'll go, he's hitting a seven iron.

Freddy couples hit the seminar. And then it goes all the way up and around. It finally ends up to some stupid announcer up there that goes, oh, he's probably going to hit a seven iron. That's usually what I said. So, and that job was basically for caddies that missed the cut. And they'd give them 50 bucks, and they'd go up with the hits that. Oh, perfect.

Okay, fine. I go down there. I start to turn right to go to the T. And Vern Lundquist up in the tower is yelling, hey, get up here. Get up here. I'd rather go up there than the T. so I went up there and said, yeah. And he goes, here.

And he hands me a headset. And he goes, Frank wants to see what you do on the air. Oh, boy. Okay. So I put this on and now people are, whoa, at first, it's cool. You don't know who in the hell is talking to you. And I recognize Pat Summerall's voice from the hardware commercials, right? And then I knew this was Frank because he was yelling at me.

And so we did rehearsal for eight minutes. Eight minutes. Cameras went down. Everything went dark. He goes, okay, show up tomorrow. I want everybody in position their towers at 1130. Sure. Okay.

So I get there and I go up. I'm going to sit there. Now, the guy sitting next to Vern Lundquist was a guy that was John Madden's spotter. Okay. John Mennon could fit inside this guy. Okay. Okay. He was 438 pounds.

Okay. And to sit there and I was enthralled by the fact that he could sit in that $4 chair from Kmart and that thing wouldn't just collapse. I sit there and I swear the thing was moving. It was just shaking like that. So he's sitting there and they got the monitors there and I'm sitting off to the side in one of those folding chairs. cameras over my left shoulder. So here we go. Eight minutes.

I have no clue. I'm on national television. Zero crap, zero nothing. I got nothing. So I've got a newspaper up there and some stuff. We didn't have notes, anything like that then. So I'm sitting there watching them. Just listen to the whole format and how it's going.

And they go, okay, let's go out to 16. Burdenwood negative. Word one was here at 16. And that's a pretty good shot there, Gary, isn't it? Yes, it is. Very nice shot. great, whatever. So I'm going, okay, well I say, okay, you got to get in, you got to get out in a hurry. You can't tell a story. There's no storytelling in this. It's, it's seven second intervals and boom,

boom, you've got to paint a picture. Okay, I get that. So now we're going, and all of a sudden, we kind of, I look over, and it's, you know, the 16 tower there, you can look over and see 14, and then the green right there, and then 15 is a par 5, and 16 comes back to part 3. Well, their next group was on 14. They had starter times at that. So there's staggerum. So there's nobody on the green at 14, nobody on 15 and nobody on 16.

So I sit back, kick back in the chair, start reading newspapers and stuff about the tournament, you know, getting insight. Right. Why I'm up there on the tower. So we come back and we're sitting there and the guys are going back and forth. And all of a sudden I hear summer all go,

well, let's go out. to Vernlunquist at 16. So I got the paper, and I'm sitting there next to the camera. I kind of look up. Vern goes, Gary says, this putt here looks pretty fast. And he says, you think you'll be able to get that ball close from where he is? And I kind of look, there's nobody on the green. There's nobody on the tee.

The next group was over there in 14 over here to the right. So I kind of start reading my newspaper. Now, Frank, in this here, okay, start screaming at me. producer director at that time, did both. Screaming at me. Say something, you idiot. In verbiage, I can't even say on this podcast. And I look at Vern, and Vern, you know, he's sweetish, and he's got that white flop sweat going now that he needs an answer to them.

Then I figured, we're still in commercial break. And these guys are fooling me. They're going to get me to say something, right? So I go, okay. I said, you know what, Vern? I said, this punch really, really fast. In fact, he hits it too far. He could hit it in the water.

Now, this is 1986 before they had a lake there. The only water on that hole then was a drinking fountain on the tea. So, they want something? I'm going to make up something because there's nobody there. So all of a sudden, Vern goes, wow. Boy, you're right. Another foot. That ball would have gone to water.

I get up and I stand up and I'm, looking and I'm looking at Byrne and he goes, okay now let's go over to 15, Bob Murphy. And I go, I'm pulling a shirt, what the hell was that? He goes, well, good call, but you've got to get it faster. I said, good call. I said, what are you talking about? There's nobody on the green. He goes, well, you've got the monitor. And he looks at me and I go, monitor, I haven't got a monitor, you got job of the hut in front of the monitor. I can't see it. Wait, 430 is. He's over there. I can't.

I'm just going by sight. I'm on the 16th hole. And he goes, oh, we have some other holes too. Oh. Oh. So you were just totally making up some stuff.

I made it up. You couldn't see the monitor. I was a hole they were talking about. I made it up. No, I'm on the 16th hole. Yeah. There's the green. There's nobody on it.

I'll make it up. They want to have some fun. Yeah. So it was actually real stuff what was going on. Yeah. Oh, boy. Yeah. I wasn't commercial.

You thought they were just yanking your chain. That's what hole I was on. What was it? Out there I would have to say like number 12. Bingo. Wow, what a guess. Wow. The balls in the back part of the grain, the pins in the front going down that thing,

and Bob Eastwood hits a putt, lips out and stops this far from going in the water. You're a lucky bastard. I get done and I go. Oh, my God. If there's a business that I should be in, it's this. And that was my first job. And the way I got it was. simply the Sunday, Vern said, let's see, I believe it was Fred Couples.

Do you remember the green behind the green was a steep incline with a lot of long grass? On 16. Yeah, I'm 16. And the thing is straight downhill. So he had launched it up on a hill up there. Now he's got one of those. He's standing his sideway trying to undercut it. And Vern goes, Gary, what's he got?

I say, here's where he's got, Vern. I want everybody out there that's got a wedge and a ball. I want you to walk out to your front lawn. I want you to chip it onto your driveway. Start hauling forth to bite. That's what he's got. And Vern looks at me and he goes, like this. And you're like, I don't know what I'm doing on you.

No, I don't even know what I'm doing. Is that good? Is that bad? And we get down and Frank, I go on the, Frank, he says, Frank must to see you. We're down. Okay, I walk in and he goes, sit out. Frank's office. He goes, what are you doing next week?

He goes, I said, why? He goes, what are you doing next week? And I said, well, I'm playing in Washington. He goes, good. You'll miss the cut. Come on up on the weekend. The next four years. That's what I did.

I got $500 per weekend. And when I missed the cut, which was regular, I'd go up and start doing the golf. And finally, after three years, I went, all right, boys, enough of this. I said, I'll quit if I can get this job full time. So that's how we got it. I would no pretension to get that job. So before that, before they called you up at Memorial, Did you have any like indication like this is what I want if golf doesn't work out this is what I want to do

I want to get into broadcasting anything no you're just like on a whim they sent you back a bottle of wine You're like yo I want to come up I want to come up and see how things work and then next thing you know You said hey try to chip it onto your driveway and they were like you're brilliant come out here and work It was it was a deal and it was a deal and that's that's a good point I'm gonna tell you The next week okay show or Washington It I believe yeah it's next week Nancy's first job. Okay, he started one week after I did.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, so we're in the, we're in the compound there. And I'm going to take Jimmy out to the 15th hole. First time I met it. I said, I'll take you out to 15. This was at Durales. How old was Jim at this time? He had really a lot of hair.

He still has a lot of hair, dude? He's like Jennifer Aniston and J-Lo. He's going backwards. He was 26, I think, at the time. 25. Little baby, baby, baby, baby Nancy. He was just out of Utah. Well, anyway, we knew he was the next guy coming up.

All right, okay. So I said, I'll take you out to 15. So I get in the cart and he gets the next one. We start to go and Frank jumps in front of the cart, five foot eight, Carthenean general. Hey, okay, Nancy, now listen to me. Here's what I want you to do. I want you to, I want you to take these shots

and want you to tell me what it is. Getting a conversation with the other guys. I don't want you doing this. I don't want you doing that. You do this. You do this. I'm sitting there in a cart. And he goes, okay.

He says, now, get out there. And Jimmy goes, I better take my own cart. He says, we're kind of late now. And I go, okay, fine. So Frank's starting to walk away. He said, Frank, second, I've only worked one of that. No one's told me what to do yet. He goes, he turned around, he looked at me and goes,

I'll tell you when you screw up. And it wasn't screw up, was the word. He says, I'll tell you when you break out, okay? And I just went, huh. I just heard. This is a producer. So he understands. He's got one guy

that is going to do everything by the book. And he's going to coattails and everything else. And then he has got this idiot sitting there. And go ahead and you do whatever you want. But I'll reel your ass back in when you do something wrong. But the deal was he wanted me to push. That was his whole deal. Push it.

Push it. Push it. And we get back to what we've got now. We don't have that guy to push it. Whoever it is, we don't have a push it. We've got a bunch of guys that break. And that's just them. It's not their fault.

That's who they are. That's the position they play. And you're right, it's not their fault. And that's a perfect segue into, I want to talk, you got your beautiful shirt on for those listening only on audio. He's got David Faradie making a, just an atrocious face here. I think this is a one of a one type of a T-shirt. I think you've got to be Gary McCord to get this.

But you've worked a number of years with David Farad. And when I think of fun and golf and the same thing in terms of broadcasting, those are the two names I think of, you and David Faradie. And you guys worked together for a long time, right? When David Faraday left and you know, when you guys were together, you had the back and forth. It was awesome. In my opinion, I think everyone's opinion, that was the best one-two punch in golf at the time.

When he left, and now you were kind of the remainder of, I want to call it, like, the wild cards, right, in terms of golf broadcast. You could say anything. You never knew what was going to come out of either your mouse, and that's what made it great. That's what made it fun. When he left, did that change the way that you called golf when you were there? Like all of a sudden, you were playing ping pong back and forth.

You guys were to return it to each other, right? There's always somebody there to hit it back. You played off each other. When he left, did that change the way that you called golf at that point? Or it changed the way you operated it anyway? Yeah. Yeah. You have to.

I was taught by Frank. And again, he told me, to give you guys. And you guys have told you the story many times. Sure. And people. He taught, he brought me in. sitting there in his office one day and TV's on the golf sign. He looked at me and he goes, hey, idiot. He said, if you ever tell me what I'm seeing on that screen, you're fired. I get out of

here. I walked out and I go, what hell is he talking about? So I, then I, okay, you know, we got to get out there and explore things and get it going. So I don't have David now. I first did it with Ben Wright. Ben was, he was, he was London, he was a journalist, and he wrote for the London Times, financial times. Brilliant, I mean, brilliant. He was a wordologist. Much like yourself.

Yeah, well, that. Yeah, very similar. And I'm from Southern California, dude, right? I worked at, bro. Surforge, Hawaii, and Locadia, and, you know, I was a dude. And I got this guy. So I started punching him on. the air punching him when you don't do that you didn't do that back then you didn't

accost anybody in your group that you were working with that it was not good and Ben Ben would get all well say silly swine you can't and and the frank they at one point they took us off the same show so he'd work and I wouldn't they didn't want it they didn't want it they didn't want it. So they came back on, I kept going, and I hit him harder. And I'll never forget the day. I was at the 16th hole, or the 17th hole at Hartford, okay? Tough hole, water around it. And it's boring out, okay? It's just monotonous. I get this. Producer, Frank, hits his button, not an all key, but a button to me. A. The next time that pretty. asshole says something, take his ass out.

And I went, I sat there and I went, are you kidding me? Frank's giving me the go to go. The green light. He said something and I just killed him. And then he would get all mad and all hiromfy and he would start spewing out these words. I have no idea what they were. But it sounded great. There was a Southern California, just an idiot. And we've got this guy that's actually brilliant. Intelligent, yeah. And so we collided in the middle. just as I was telling you guys, you've got to get people where, Frank understood that. He understood those dynamics. So that's how.

And then David came on, it was the same kind of deal. He didn't press it, but, you know, he's there. And I'd hit him because, you know, I'm the one that brought him in the business and got him up there at the International up in the tower, like I got with you one day, and put him up there and just see what he'd do. And he was brilliant because he didn't say the things I thought he'd say. They were left field, right field, center field, whatever. Perfect.

And that's what I want to know, was David Faradie always David Faradie from day one? Or did that personality kind of develop with that? Always, yeah. I don't think you can create, you can't create that type of a guy. You either got that or you don't, you know. It was the same deal. I told him after the first day, we're up there. He was only up there for an hour.

And I said, you're going to be doing this business in the future. He was still playing good. He could finish second to next year. He played a writer cup. I mean, he's a real dude. He was a hell of nine tournaments. Real dude. I said, but when you decide to stop.

Please come to CBS. We'd love we. I've had nothing to do it. Like you're pulling the strings. Like, hey, guys, I got a guy. They look at me. Gary's got an idea. Oh, good.

That's perfect. Cool. So anyway, it was, I know the guys that are going to be good with a microphone in front of them. They're glib. They're fast. They can get a point. You know those guys. Okay.

And you know the guys that are not going to do that. But you and Farity, like, I feel like those are those, that's two accelerators. Those are the two biggest accelerators. Right. So you guys got two, there's two right there that, in my opinion, and Cole, I don't know if you would think about it. But those are two of the same, more or less type of guy. You're an accelerator. You're a funny, quick-witted guy. You're going to say some weird stuff, Faraddy the same way. There's two guys that are the same, right? And you guys run the same call for a long time. You dance with that a lot. If David gets going and he's going good, back down and just kind of go. Let him go. Let him go. Like I did with you the other day at the dry heave. You got going? I went over and I handed the microphone to Jack. Okay, our DJ. I won't be needing this anymore. I just sit there and watch.

Right. But you know, you know, it's, again, it's a flow. The whole thing is a flow. Yeah. You know, and it flows one way, it flows the other, which you can actually move, take it and move it to a different direction. And that's the business. That's it.

You've got to be in the business as well to understand that and have colleagues that you know. Everybody's a role player. I'm a role player. Peter is a role player. Jimmy's not a role player. He's just the guy. He's the guy. And everybody else,

he's Jesus. Nick and Nick's got the credentials, everything. Everybody's a role player in this deal. That's a good way to put it. Not to change the subject. I'd like to go back to Farity just for a second. Can you share with us like one of your greatest memories with Farity? I know that you have a million, one that you could probably talk about on here.

So we don't have to edit that. Right. That limits it big time. But whether it be a call on the golf course, say on this. I'm not sure. You can say whatever you want. We can always bleep everything out. Oh, okay. I want to know some good David Farity stuff that no one else has probably ever heard. Okay. It was, it was about six years ago, seven years ago. Tiger, Saturday, Quail Hollow, Charlotte. It was hot. It was murky out. Set in the scene. Yes. This is a good storyteller right here.

There were a thousand, two thousand, probably five thousand people followed. on it. And it was a morbidly hot Tarzan day. And I'm sitting up in the tower and got these guys down. Now, on the golf course, and we're going about our business, and Tucker's coming around to 15. And he's prancing. He's playing pretty good. David's with him. So we go to commercial break. Now, when we come on a commercial break, Lance Barrow, producer, has a mic check to make sure somebody hasn't fallen out of the tower or done something stupid. So everybody's got their little deal, you know, and Jimmy, Lance will go, okay, Jimmy, uh, uh, check all the announcers. Okay, Nick's here. We know that, uh, Ian Baker fence and, um, o'oy, oh, oh, ohzy,

ozy, okay. Is that what he would say when you would check in on the mind? And then I'd go, what? And then, and then we go down and Peter go, yeah. And then David would put the microphone, as you know, he's got unbelievable flashes. And it, you know, and it's, you know, and it's, Anytime he can generate monumental burps of nastiness. And he would put it down to his rear end and you'd hear, Jesus. That's how we knew David was.

On the mic, yeah. It was just that's what we do. Yeah, yeah. So we go and David, now we go to get David, and you hear this. Oh, oh, oh. And then, okay, let's go, let's go to 14. Oh, oh, oh, oh.

So I'm sitting there, uh-oh. Why would he say, uh-oh? And so now I'm looking, and I know we've got the dress Adidas on, and we've got khaki pants. And I'm looking down, as you know, 16 at Quayal Hollow, it's just dead straight, basically, in the old green. And I can see the tea. I look back there and here he is. Tiger hits it. And there goes David walking, splayfooted with rain pants on.

Oh, I know what the uh-oh is. The boys shit his pants. Okay? Now, we can't go anywhere because there's five million worshippers of tiger that are hounding the trees and the grass and the ferrets. And he is like a ping pong ball in a hurricane. He's trying to get out, but he can't get out. And so I see him down there walking. He is walking and it's splay footed.

It's going, toes are going left and right out there. and I know he's not comfortable and it's going to get crusty in a little bit especially as hot as it is. So I see him peel over there and he gets underneath the tree kind of near the people. Tiger gets up and

David, what's he got? David's nowhere near him, right? And he goes, seven iron, 174 yards. I go, you think that's enough club, David? Oh yeah, he's playing pretty good now. saying so he gets up and he hits the ball in the green about 18 feet and I looked down

David's not moving he's still underneath the tree back there in the far away so now we come to tiger I go um okay now we got I told I told Lance hit the button I said get worm cam get warm cam on it where you put the camera right on the ground behind the ball yeah because I want to give my it's the best thing in golf because you use you'll take a ride if you're on a couch You get a ride. You get to watch the stroke, and then you get to watch the ball from point of view. That's the players.

It's fantastic. So I get PLB in this. So I go, David, I know you're down there, and you've looked over this putt a couple times. I watched you. What is it? He has no idea which way it's breaking.

180 yards back there in the federal. You're so wrong. That's the best. And he's trying to hide because he's uncomfortable, and he's crusted up and everything else. He's shit his pants. So then, and he can't be wrong now, because we got worm cam back.

Right. If he reads it and he read it, eight inches the wrong way. Yeah, you're dead. He's dead. So now he gets this putt and I go, well, David, I don't know what you're doing down there, but that wasn't even close. What were you doing when you're looking at the green? It's only dead.

He just flipped me off from underneath the tree down there. So we wait. Now everybody knows. Everybody knows David is crapped his pants. Okay. So we go to 17 and we're kind of what we're just watching. And we go to 18. You know, that long walk of the creek, and he's walking all the way down there.

And it's getting wider, and it can't be good. And it's 120 degrees. It's 120 degrees, and it's just music it on. So now he's sitting there, and our compound is right up above the 18th hole. It's about 70 yards up there. And so Tiger Putts out, and we're going to commercial break, and you see David now starting to run up the hill with his microphone, his backpack and everything else.

And Lance goes, David, I want you to stay down there and get an interview from Tiger. Oh, God. Yes, perfect. So he stops. He gets his shoulder just slump like this, and he walks back. So now the cameraman, we all know it, Davy Finch, locks the camera on the three guys. So we've got Tiger in the middle.

We've got Stevie over here, who is, at best, one in one A as far as flatulence. Okay? And we got David on this side. And David's just sitting there like this with the microphone in his hand, head down, shoulders curled. And he's just sitting there. And now we're all watching. Tiger doesn't like the interviews, doesn't like to be sick.

He goes, hey, Ferti. When do we come back from commercial? Lance. Tiger wants to know when we're coming back from commercial. Tell him 20 seconds, 30 seconds, 30 seconds. 30 seconds. You see Tiger going, he's on something, he's going, like this. So they're all sitting there, you know, about 15 seconds,

and all of a sudden, you see Tiger going. Oh, God. He turns to Stevie, and he goes, you didn't. Okay? He goes, Stevie didn't. I mean, Steve he goes, I didn't do it. So he turns to David. As soon as he looks at David, David goes, I shot myself on 15.

And Tiger jumped up in the air. Kind of like get away from him. Then five, four. Jimmy, throw it down. He's got Tiger Woods down there, our own David Faradie. So David goes to put the mic and Tiger's running. He's getting away from it. He left.

So David's trying to get the mic and Tigers running that way because his stench is so bad, I guess. And it was, it was hilarious to watch. That's like, what does Faraddy say when Tiger's running the other way? And he's like, I was supposed to be here with Tiger, but I crap my pants. So he left. I guess it is what it is. Yeah, I can't believe it. Yeah,

somewhere else. Yeah, I don't understand what it is, Lee's every guest we have on any show we do. Yeah. Anything we're part of, there's always a shit your pants story. It's amazing

the level of which people shit their pants in like a grown up, like at a grown age. We've had more of these more shit stories. And you're fasting right now. I'm expecting you to explode at any point right now. See that?

What time is it? Yeah, you got another, you got another hour. This headache is fantastic right now. All right. You brought up Tiger Woods, which you were there in the prime, the greatest golf arguably ever played. And it doesn't have to be Tiger, but I want to know what is the most memorable shot you ever got to call.

And if it was Tiger, great, if not if it was somebody else. Just the one thing that sticks out in your mind, the greatest shot you ever called in all your time on TV. The greatest shot. you got me focused on Tiger right now. It's probably a tiger. There's a good chance it probably is now. Yeah.

It's probably the dude. I'm going to the tiger stuff. I was, you know, the chip in from behind 16. Yep. At Muirfield. At Muirfield.

At Mirfield, the pins down. He gave it a side wipe and it kept the ground like a sack of, yeah. And start rolling down there and it just trickled in. Are you kidding me? The best shot I ever saw on the ground. This was, You got to help me with this.

This was at Chicago. The golf course had... Cog Hill. Cog Hill. Very good. Thank you. Ninth holes par five. Five. 80.

Something like that. Tiger drives. He's playing with John Cook. I remember that. Ferrety's down on the ground on the left-hand side. Tiger's way back in the right. In the trees, in the rough. And I just remembered another one that's really funny.

Perfect. And we're down there, and there's 29. 96 yards to the green. Okay? Pins in the front left. So David's down there and he goes, well, Gary, someone out of look at that line. He's got nothing out of there. I mean, it's up to his fetlocks.

And he said he's going to have to hack this out with something. So Tiger goes over to the back, takes out a three iron, and hits this bullet, pounded it sounded like, bang, just like that. David's on the left-hand side of the third. Farraway. He aimed it right at him. And David just hits the ground and this ball goes through and it starts cutting like this. And I look at this shot going, are you kidding me? There's no human

being. And he hits short of the green about 30 yards rolls up about 18 feet from the hole. And I go, Farity, I thought you said there's a bad light. He's going, where to go? Where did it go? I said he hit it on the green. He goes, no, where did it go? Because he was flat on the ground. He didn't see it. And Tiger hit this. Bolo cut out of this. It's a little 293 iron. Just, from the rough?

Oh, my. I get it. I mean, like you said, you saw all of it in his prime. I mean, how ridiculous was it? Okay. Thanks. Great setup for this one. Good.

We're at 18th hole at Firestone Country Club. It is 478 yards. Pins in the back left. There's a forest on the left and nuisance trees on the right. It's a Saturday. David's down. I can tell him this is funny. And I'm going to use the wording too.

Yeah, use it. Yeah, make it authentic, man. This is, no, this is exactly what happened. So I'm done with 16 and I leave to go back to the compound. Okay. And I saw Tiger hit his T shot in the crap to the left with a three wood. Okay. So I just, okay, I'm going to go in.

So I get in and I've got to take Farity back to the hotel. So he comes in the compound. He's ripping and wrong. and everything. He goes, did you leave the 16th Tower? I go, yeah. He goes, did you see the last hole? I go, no. He goes, are your clubs here? I go, yeah. He says, get a wedge and a ball.

What? Get a wedge and a ball. So we get in a golf cart and we go down and we go to the left of the 18th hole. I don't know what he's doing. I got no idea. I go down there and it is, it is vegetative. It is long. And there is nothing with trees in front of me. he takes and he puts a ball and there's a swat that's about three and a half feet long where he put the ball next to and it's still

shimmering from the heat and i don't know what always he goes okay now i'm doing radio here so directly to my right 90 degrees and 30 yards away was the fairway okay and a hundred and ninety-six yards somewhere on the left was the pin okay And I go, okay, well, what do you want me to do? He goes, for $100, can you get that ball from there to the fairway? It's 30 yards over here. So I got a wedge. So I get in there?

I look down. I can't. I can't do it. 30 yards? 30 yards? A player of your magnitude. I couldn't hit it 30 yards to the fairway over here to my dead right. And I go, what's this all about?

And he goes, Tiger hit it 17 feet from a hole in the back fringe from there. And I went, what, after he chipped out from the fairway? He said, no, no, no. He hit it from right where you are, that divot. No, we didn't. Bull. So I'm sitting there and I'm going. He says, this is how it happened.

He said, Jimmy, I'm down there. Jimmy's up in the tower. And he said, David, what's he got? And I go, he's got to chip it out. He's got an opening about 80 yards up there. He can get it kind of towards the fairway towards the green, or he can just chip out sideways. But he's got nothing.

Now, he's playing at that time with the second best player in the world. Rank number two in the world was Ernie L's. So Ernie now comes behind David. David's out in the middle of the fairway. Ernie's walking his ball down the right-hand side. Tiger gets in and he thinks it's a wedge, and he thinks he's going to hit it out. And he takes this swing that looks like he has fallen out of a hundred foot tree.

There's stuff going, flying, everything. And this ball comes ripping out, and it is just sidewife under the left. I mean, a snap hook through the trees. At that time, Ernie's walking by him. David flips his mic on. You got a backpack. You flip your mic on. And as David goes, oh, my God, you could hear this.

What the fuck was that? And that's from the second best player in the world. That was from Ernie. It is, yes. Ernie L says that. And Lance goes, tell me that wasn't you. Tell me that wasn't you. And he goes, no, was Ernie L's behind me after they got rid of the money?

Thank God. But that is the greatest commentary of all time. When the second best player in the world goes, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Can't fathom what's going on. Can't fathom a man could hit a shot like that. And that was, that's basically the whole epitone of, of time. Tiger Woods and the shots he could play and other guys couldn't even, they can't even see him.

In a video game, you couldn't figure out how a guy could duck hook it. It was 196, he hit it. Yeah, 196. Pige and wedge. Yeah. Hooded it up. Are you kidding me again? And you couldn't, you wouldn't take $100 bet to get a 30 yards to the fairway.

Couldn't get it to the fairway. That's how good. I mean, that was the difference at the time between Tiger and everyone else. And you saw all of it. I saw them all play. And it was, nothing close. So Gary, obviously, we could talk about Tiger

for hours and hours, but we don't have that long. And you don't have that long. You definitely don't have that long. I am definitely on the back nine and I'm coming into the closing holes. I love it. We are on the clock officially on your life. I think for me, I mean, you started at CBS in 86.

I was born in 85. One of my first memories of you was the incredible movie Ten Cup. Yes. And we got to talk about it. And last year, I will say, you are nice enough to invite me to a dinner in Beverly Hills at the grill. Yeah.

Yeah. And Ron Shelton. Yep. Who directed and wrote. Co-wrote. And Burd Bull Durham. Yes. Was there.

Great movie. Y'all told me stories that just, like it was the first time my life I've ever, I don't think I've talked for a dinner. And Gary Foster, the producer, who was done, his first movie was sleepless in Seattle. There you go. And then he's done. Never heard of it. 200.

So I literally just sat there and listened to these guys, but tell us how the idea of 10 cup, First of how the hell did you get involved in this? Yeah, that's a great question. It's a good question, Colt. How is an idiot like you involved in one of the best golf movies ever made, in my opinion? I get a package from my agent, and I open the package, and I'm in Colorado, and I open it up, and I see a screenplay. And it says on the front cover letter, this is a movie, movie in product, or going to be in production, and it's Warner Brothers, starring Kevin Costner

written by John Norville and they have another writer in there just Ron and Ron Chilton and John Norval okay and I called him I said what is this? He goes I got this script in the mail and they want you to

help him in the movie I go what do you mean? Well they want you to be the technical director and they need some help with teaching Kevin and blah blah blah blah blah blah so when you read a movie script the first thing you do is you go through it really fast to see how much how many times your name is mentioned okay where do I talk is this a big is this a little part of what and I'm going through and I'm going Jesus there's a lot of parts in here right so and then I sit down and read it and I'm reading it and I'm going wait a minute I did those things no one knows about

that stuff. Nobody knows. So I called my agent. I go, okay, is it got to be BS? I said, give me Ron Shelton's number. So I get Ron Shelton's number. I call him up. He's in Hollywood, of course. I got, hey, Ron, Ron, Gary McCourt. Yeah, yeah, yeah, did you read the script? Yeah. I said, where the hell did you get this? He goes, well, you did it. I go, I know I did it, but no one knows I did it. Nobody knows about the Pelican and Pensacola or the 16th I made it on the, or the 15th I made on the 16th hole at Memphis. pissed and I kept launching balls in the water from in the drop areas up by the green. He goes, yep, I put him in the movie. I love it.

I said, why me? He goes, you got kicked out of Augusta. That's why. And I went, oh, okay. And Ron's that kind of guy. You met him. And so I said, okay, how much do I owe you? I'll do it.

I'd love to do this. And he goes, well, you're going to get paid. So I went in and I was, the first con, you're going to love. love this. You guys will love this. Okay, this is going to be a movie about professional golfers and everything. I got to get professional golfers to do this movie. And that was one of my first jobs as helped producing this thing, right? So you start thinking, okay, I got to get all these golfers and I got to deal with agents. This is not going to be fun because one guy is going to, I want 20,000, I want 10. As you know, you go to do a movie. You're sitting out there forever doing

nothing for doing nothing, just sitting there getting bored. So I knew I couldn't get A-type personalities either to get John Cooks, Freddie couples, who did it, those kind of guys, laid-back guys. Guys that are cool with sitting around doing nothing for hours. But now I don't want to call agents up and jack with agents. So I'm sitting there one night. I called Gary up and I said, Gary, I got an idea. Can I get Don Johnson and Kevin Costner to go to a dinner?

he goes why I said I'm going to call it the tour wives and I'm going to have a dinner smart this is smart stuff I have a dinner with two of Hollywood's finest and just tell the girls what to expect if their husband's in this movie so I got the boys together and I said all right guys I know you're good actors I want you guys to pile it on turn it on this was in Tucson and we were in his restaurant I witnessed greatness it was greatness it was greatness It was they had him. They had the girls. In the palm of their hands, it was just, are you kidding me? Got down and every wife came up and goes, when you need him there? No agents, no nothing. No money. It was Johnny Miller's the only guy that had an agent, only guy.

And that's a totally different story. That's a totally good. It's a four-hour podcast. I don't want to get into that one. So that was, that was, that's when Foster. says okay you're gonna help me he said what's your favorite car i go nissan 240 z he goes okay he said uh let's call nissan up so he calls him up and he goes that blah blah blah warner brothers kevin costner movie we need a bunch of cars gary which guy do you like i like the coop and we need a coop

silver okay silver boom so we got we get these nons yeah just done because we're gonna put it on on the top of his hat. Nissan got to have a car come. Of course. So the producing before we started this thing was fantastic. I had a ball. Calling people and bullshit, which is. That's what you're built for, dude.

I've got Ph.D. in that. Christ. Yeah, that's your thing. So we start the movie. Kevin. Oh, there's another. I got a hundred stories. Okay.

Yeah, keep going. We love a mom. Okay. We're starting a movie. We're shooting on the driving range of La Paloma. And we've got to get Kevin. Now, Kevin flew in to Firestone during the Terminal champions, or what was Firestone?

It wasn't, NEC, yeah. And he flew in, and we went to Sharon Country Club, and he didn't know who I was, no idea. So we're sitting there and we're hitting balls. And he just come from Europe, Waterworld, doing that, publicizing that, and flew in. going to go home. Waterville.

He did not want to be there. That's what I'm setting up. Right. So he comes in with a Hollywood deal and everything and limousine and Sharon right by Akron, Ohio. And so we go over to the golf course and start hitting balls. And he's given this big old wavy swing, you know. And I said, how many times you play? He goes, I play probably a dozen times with my father-in-law.

I go, really? I go, okay. Now, this guy is from Salome, West Texas. I'm the technical director. You got to handle this. I got an opposite motion here. I get a big, lanky swing with a lot of flow and no speed. And this guy is supposed to be from a place that blows 40 miles an hour every day.

So I go, Kevin, here's what we're going to do. We're going to change your grip. We're going to get it really strong. We're going to shut your face. We're going to go to three-quarter. You're going to hit follow-throughs that stop because we can speed it up that. No, we're not. That's what he said?

No, we're not. No, we're not. No, we're not. My swing's nice. Okay. All right, good. Okay, well, here. What do you know about golf you, idiot?

Exactly. You don't know who I am. So, you know, we get talking and we get hanging around and a couple of drinks and sooner or later, you know, he got into the, okay, fine. So we show up there. We're hitting balls the first day. And we've got this, a Panavision camera. And it's for golf shots and stuff.

Panavision Whorls. goes like that. So we have to get him in frame, hitting balls, and just to get him the idea when he's hitting these shots, this thing is going to start whirling, and he can hit a normal shot, right? So he's hitting shots in his Pan-O-Vision camera, going like that.

All of a sudden, the ball comes flying by us. What the hell of a look over, and there's Cheech over here, the left-hand side of the rain. Yes. And I go, me. I go, hey, cheat! Quit it.

You're going to kill somebody over here. And I look at Ron, I go, sorry. He's the director. Right, I'm sorry. He goes, no, that was good. So Kevin's hit ball. Here comes another one. Like that, like, wait a minute.

Hold it. Camera, stop. All right, Cheech, knock it off. Where's Sven? Sven's my caddy. Sven is supposed to be teaching teaching Cheech how to caddy, professional caddy. Right.

All the vernacular. All this stuff you say. banging balls. What the hell? He doesn't play golf. banging balls. So I find him, Sven's over here. He's a Sven. He's in the tour for 10 years. Get over there and start working.

So, now it gets quiet. Everything gets quiet. So fine. Pain of vision. Kevin's hitting balls. We're working on stuff, right? All of a sudden they go, that's quiet for a long time. I look over and there's a great pitching area where they're where. It's a putting green,

there's a little hill that comes up, grassy knoll, if you will. And I look over and I see two guys, their heads on two golf bags, laying on the grassy knoll, shirts off, passing the biggest joint you've ever seen back and forth. And I turned to Ron, I go, Ron, that's caddian. So that was the first time that Cheats, and what we'd do, we'd go into to act a movie, and I'm just kind of remembering stuff. if they had a shot and they had between Cheech and Kevin, we would go act it out because Kevin was really good at mimicking.

So we would just go do our tour deal. We go, okay, Ron, go, okay, action. Okay, what do we got to the front? 173. What's that back pan? What's that? The bunker is what? Five from it?

Yeah. Okay, five from it. Okay, let's peel this off to the right. I don't want to deal that bunker is too deep. We'll go. And then he go, cut! And they'd run in, and it was fast enough, but they'd just repeat the same thing.

Just mimic exactly what you guys just did. So it appeared authentic. Yes, yes. Real conversation. You know, he just, Cheech would follow. So I'd put the bag, you know, then pull it back, the whole deal. Look at the Arditch book, the whole deal.

And so we got in a flow doing that stuff. And it was, it was. Did you have Cheech lined up as, like, I don't know if you had played any role in this, but was Cheech lined up as the caddy, the entire time because he was that he became one of the like you know like one of the greatest iconic characters in like golf movies is cheech as the caddy in that movie right they caught a little gust there roams all that like i mean people recite that type of stuff right that's one of

the most quotable movies was cheech always the caddy in that yeah yeah he was incredible by the don johnson i wanted jack warner they said who do you want i go i want it i wanted jack warner to play it because he can play his rear end off because he knows golf and i would yeah i wouldn't have to do anything jack go hit that cheque i don't get that shit shot, you know, and he's smarmy looking and he's smarmy. I love Jack. And he's perfect for the, he was, it was written for him. He couldn't do it.

So we've got nobody. Yeah, we got nobody. We got, let's listen to this one. So we got nobody. And the main guy, the guy that's the antagonist to Kevin. We need a smarmy guy. Yeah. So they go, we got, we got Don Johnson coming in for a read.

okay um so fine so don calls me i'm known him from the AT&T right now he just got out of rehab right he's perfect to play a golf pro dude perfect so he calls me up and he goes let's meet in the bar at the clubhouse i go okay so right out of rehab right meet me at the bar just got out of rehab the day before okay he's going to come me at the crack house so we go to the bar and i'm thinking okay he goes what can i be like and i go for it's like pounded beers. He goes, okay, what do I got to do in this deal? What's the I said blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

He goes, okay, fine. That was it. Next day we go for a read. And when you go for a read and you're trying to new guy, he got a script. Okay, he got a script and then the other, so Don was in there, Kevin was there, and René Russo was there. So they've got the scene.

And Don's got nothing in front of him and they both have the scripts. goes I'm fine and he sat there and he nailed that script he didn't he had memorized it I went that's impressive that's really impressive yeah they're going back and forth they're trying to read oh no they said and they're going like that and he's going now so we have a little pow wow out in front and you know they're looking at me like you know you got Ron Sheldon I got Gary Foster and what do you think I go who else we got nobody I said what we talking about he's perfect yeah he wants it let's go he's smart me he's perfect so he was he was in

that's how it was very impressive his to memorize that damn it was four pages how long did it take to shoot the entire thing it takes in a movie it takes three months and uh for every day it's about a minute and a half to two minutes that's that's why a movie is that's why you sit around and do nothing for so long yeah three months we're on One of the reason I think that's one of the best golf movies are most iconic is because like when you see Kevin Costner hit a shot, like his swing looks somewhat legitimate, right? You see other golf movies. You see this trash swing. You see the ball flying and it spins back right next to the hole.

And like that swing didn't produce that. You know what I mean? Like real golfers, that's real golf knit with stuff. Like we're like, dude, that's garbage swing. There's no way the ball flies like that. But Kevin Costner legitimately in terms of golf movies, it looked like, hey, that's a real golf swing. Like how long did you have to work with him to tweak that golf swing to get him to where it's like, this is believable. for a golf movie. We had to, yeah, I had to sit back and watch and then you bring the guys in,

you know, that are tour pros in a movie doing the movie. And I go, here, take a look at this. What do you think? And they were all sitting around one time we did the driving range scene. We kept shanking it, okay? Yeah, yeah. I love that. So we got Kevin hitting balls for all those guys. I know that. And they're all going, are you kidding me? You know, and he was followed through, you know, he was holding in here. That way we could speed it up a little bit and not a long loopy thing. And he got to the point we'd go out and play all the time. He was, shooting even bar that's crazy even part I hate those super talented guys like an act and just pick up golf and shoot par he hit a right one day well I got to tell you this one okay tell what tell it this was funny and I love

so I'm out in a tour I'm you know doing television I'm playing still and blah blah blah and I get this call and I go home and I live in Colorado I go home and I get a call from Ron he goes Gary says we got to shoot the scene today where Kevin hits the hoe out of the bunker next to the hole. I go, what? What? He, and that's when he played the guy

with the baseball bat. Yeah, when he was playing with the shovel and all that stuff. Yeah, yeah. Okay? He goes, how do we do it? This is the day of the shoot. The scene, yeah.

And I've got a buddy of mine there that's helping me, and he's working with Kevin when I'm not there. Peter Kossis was there too. he was in the movie so he's we're sitting there and I'm going well I tell me the shot what what's he got he got this bunker the pin's about 15 feet and I said how high is the lip and he goes oh about three feet he's got to hit a ball okay now it's really easy if he hits it and then you do a two shot right so you hit it and then you show the ball rolling and everybody goes

home he goes to he goes I'm doing a master shot you ever seen the movie Have you seen the movie 1917? I haven't seen it. No, it's out right now. It's phenomenal. Okay? Sam Mendez shot it. He shot it as a master shot.

One camera, one person took him all over. Well, Kevin's got to hit this with a master shot. So he's got to actually hit it close with a hoe. And he's going to make it. Mm-hmm. He's got to make it with a hoe. And I go. So I go, okay.

I go. So now I'm in Baye, Colorado. I'm at Singletree Golf Course where I live. There's a bunker down there, a practice bunker that's got like that. And it's flat and pins 12, 15 feet. I get it. It's pouring down rain. I've got rain gear on and everything else.

And I grab my shag bag and I get in this bunker. And I'm in this bunker three hours. I haven't got a ball out. Not a ball out of the bunker with a hole. With a hoe. Never get caught with a hole. I tried once. You get desperate.

it and I did this one. I got down. Remember how sevy when he's hitting bunker shots? He would spread his legs out about eight feet apart, get his knees just about on the ground and flatten that thing out and bounce it behind it. So I went okay. So I get in there and reversed it. I grabbed the hole end

and the handle end was there and I was going to thump it to see if it would go up in the air. I didn't think it out because that hose got a sharp edge on and I'm swinging next to my wobblies down. there. And I took this swing and I took this swing and it got in there and it ripped it about nine inches up the deal. And I grabbed. Oh my God. I'm giving myself a bad septumine. And I look down.

There are three women in the balcony watching me because they can't believe some idiot is in this bunker with a hole and it's pouring down rain. And I just waved down. I'm okay. I'm all right. So finally, you know, Ron's calling, you got it yet? You got it yet? I got it yet. I go, no, I don't. Almost killed myself. I went in to the maintenance shop.

I went, okay, this hoe, I got to make like a sandwich. I got to roll back one of those edges, so it goes in here, bounces, right? Because it's just going to the side. I can't do anything. So I went in there and franked it, and I got one out. I got it out. And I went, okay, here's the deal. I'm going to give it to.

Ron, he's going to give it to Kevin. Kevin's not going to be able to do it. They'll take it out of the movie, right? So I go, well, give it your best shot, see what he's got. So he gets in there and does the same thing. He goes, I can't get it out. So finally he gets mad, and this is late at night now. We're trying to get this thing over there. We've shot B-roll on this thing.

He's shooting. He can't do it. He goes, finally, and there's no cameras going to everything. He goes, just put the camera on. And I kind of told him how to do it. he gets in here and quack, boom, goes over the lip, and it rolls up to 18 inches. Now, he's got to get out of the bunker.

It's a master shot. Yeah, he's been in there for three hours. Now, if he misses his putt, he's back in there again because they're not doing a two shot on this. And he said, that's the hardest put I ever had my head. He just took the rear, you know, he took the hand.

Yeah, that was the back of the, like a pool cue. And shoved it and made it, which is the greatest of all the time. After three hours is doing that. Three hours and me, three hours and just about gave myself a vasectomy. So we had six, seven hours into this one stupid shot. If he misses that, you're taking it out of movie.

Oh, yeah. It's out of moving because you can't, you can't, guys, give me an easier than a hoe. Give me a shovel and I can do something. You dodged a good, you dodged a headline there with McCord loses balls to nasty ho. You know, tore, just ripped. You know, as soon as he got in it and I was giving a good thump and you know it's too late now when it starts digging in. I just kept going. I went, oh, this is not going to be good.

First of all, you can't do it. It won't go out of the hall. It just stays there. I tried everything. Literally, that's awesome that you gave us a little background. You need any whole work, but corded is your guy. Okay, what? All right, Gary, this is a segment we do with each guest we have called Emergency Nine.

Just nine questions. They're honestly simple. These are easy, dude. We wouldn't lie to you. Blah, blah, blah. Okay, question one. Yeah. Show you up.

Favorite movie ever. Ten cup. Smart. I get it. Movie about the, Life of Gary McCord. Who plays Gary McCord? Bill Murray.

Wrong. The scientist from back to the future. Wait a minute. No, I judge the game. I judged the game. You're Doc from the DeLorean. That's you. All right.

Celebrity crush. Same hair if I had any. Celebrity crush. Catherine Zeta Jones. Okay. Good one. Gary Foster. Dad, David Foster.

Brought her in for the movie. Brought her in for Zorro. Yes. And I told. I told Gary Foster, she's my all-time grad, I would love to meet her. I am pulling into Bob Hope Classic. I'm pulling into Indian Wells. I got Costner next to me.

The phone rings. And I pick up the phone. We're pulling in to park the car and go hit balls and get ready for the tournament. And it's David Foster. And he goes, Gary, I got somebody wants to talk to you. Oh, boy. She goes, is this Gary? And I go, yeah.

This is Catherine Zeta-Jones. Who is this? Who is it? Cool. Yeah. And of course, Kevin sitting next to me going, let me talk to her. I go, just not. Catherine said.

You get enough of it. Yeah. Yeah, really. Shout out. I said, who is this? Honestly, who is it? This is Catherine Zeta Jones. And I could detect a little bit of an accent.

And it dawned upon me. It was Catherine said of Jones. And I literally froze. I could not talk. The first time in history, by the way. I mumbled. I tried to say something. And I think, I think I gave the phone to Kevin.

I think I did. I couldn't do anything. I'm locked out. I don't know what happened. I just blocked out. I parked the car and just sat there and it was breathing heavily. That's all I can tell you. Well, that's the right answer. That's a good answer. We'll allow that. All right. Next question. Rumor about yourself that you've heard that's not true. I was dead. There you go. Well, that's half true. You're on your way out. You're definitely on your way out, dude. You're still alive. Okay. Keep going. Okay. Would you rather shave your mustache, Or have one of us kick you in the balls right now?

Kick me into balls. When was the last time you were clean shaving? That's not a question. Just a follow-up. 1976. 19706. 176. Wow.

19706. You would take one swift kick to the nuts as hard as we could as opposed to shaving your mustache. I have a brand and this is it. And if I ever get another job, I got to keep it for my brand. Good point. The chances are slim, but I understand the logic. Do you trim it up yourself or do you have a professional? I do it.

No, he doesn't. Do you think you would trust that to anyone? And he carries wax and a comb at all time. It takes two seconds. He's got wax and a comb at all time. He's got his pocket right. Tie looks good. All right.

Next question, the favorite tour stop. Favorite tour stop was always Pebble Beach. I grew up in Southern Cal, played a bunch of state opens there and amateurs there. Didn't get past the quarterfinals maybe once. What about to broadcast that? That one's fun. You got to see all the boys. You know, and it was always fun.

We stay at the lodge and it's, and, you know, overlooking the ocean. It's, too, it's just, it brings back memories of, I remember at the one hotel there was yellow, what was that called, something, and there was 12 guys in the room during the qualifier for the amateur, stayed open, excuse me, and we were, and the guy that was the lowest score got the bed. The other 11 guys had to sleep in sleeping bags around. It was hilarious.

I love that place. going there since early 60s. So go ahead. That's the mini tour stuff. Cole. Next one. Okay, fine. Obviously, you have been fired.

But before that, what was the closest you ever got? He was not brought back. Let's clear that up. What was the closest? Not renewed. You ever were throughout your broadcasting career to getting fired. Well, I got fired at Augusta. Yeah, but he's pretty good.

Still on the network. Oh, on the network. I thought this one would do it. This was recent. This was three years ago at, 16th hole that I presided over for all those years at the greatest show on turf. The waste management Phoenix opened. And there was 127,000 people out there that day.

And I wanted from our compound down to the 16th hole through this traverse a mass of people and women and sundresses and oh my God. And so I get up there and we're going. And Pat Perez has got this put on 16 each of the. right the pins tucked against that bunker over there to the left and pat had about a 15 footer he's there and i said well pat's grinding on this one he knows he's got a lot of speed control here because he can't hit it past the hole because if he does he might catch that false front coincidentally most of the women out here have the same thing and it could roll all the way down to

the t and folio folio hits me the guy that works for me he hit me in the shoulders so hard and his eyes were lit up and he goes you're going to get fired You're going to get fired again. He said, what are you doing? And I just thought it was such a good line I had to use it. It's a great. You have to use it. I got to use it.

You're like kind of like Berkeley. Like Berkeley can say anything on Taney and basketball and people are like, ah, it's just Berkeley. You had that same thing, which is the best. You have almost immunity, almost blanking immunity from saying stupid stuff. I talked to Charles a bunch about that. You guys are similar though. You, you rotten son of a bitch.

You can say anything you get away with the truth. And I can't say anything of the stuff you do or on. fired in two seconds. He just gets lavid. He really can't. But he's earned it. He's earned it. I love him. I love him. Next question. Number eight. If the game of golf didn't exist, what does Gary McCord do for a profession?

I would probably be. Panhandler. I would probably, you know, the answer would be marketing somewhere, but probably I would be a Gloucester fisherman, Gloucestershire fishermen, somewhere up in. and the north in a cold, frigid area trying to bring Wahoo in or something, whatever. I thought you'd be a marketing. Just go with a magician.

No, there's some guys that are really, really good. David Blaine's really good. He's sticking that thing, the ice pick through his hand, all the way through, all the way through on the X-ray machine. I know how to do some of this, on the X-ray machine. There's no blood on or anything else. And it heals right when he pulls it out. Yeah, and I'm, wow, I don't get that one.

There's a lot of stuff he does. All right. Last question. Told you. These were harmless. These are zero questions. All right. This is the most important one though.

Okay. 10 foot put to save your life. Me or Drew, who you pick him? Watch the words, magic. You've been there with your nuts and advice before, so I would take you. But he's my partner. We finished third. Yes.

Straight down. Tell him. And I was 70 years of age. And we shouldn't have finished third. And he was magnificent. Yes. But you picked me. Let's get that strength.

You were always a very, very good putter. You always came with a symphony of, a symphony of accolades for your putting prowess. A symphony of accolades. Symphony of accolades. That's put only the way Gary McCork could put it. That's true. That was beautifully said. Thank you so much.

You are a beautiful man. And Gary, thank you so much for coming and sitting with us here on subpar. And also, thank you so much for what you do for both of us. You've been a tremendous help in getting this thing going and all the advice you've given me personally. I know Drew the same way. Can't thank you enough. Well, I, I, this can't, this could be a career ender for me. It is.

Yeah, they definitely is. But where am I going anyway? But you guys keep plodding along. Both going to be good. You learn the business. Just stay who you are. Stay the course. Stay who you appreciate it.

That's Gary McCord and subpar podcast. If there's any TV executives out there right now, watch it. Anybody. I don't know what I do. Need work. Hire this man. I'll be a go for. He is a national treasure.

Get him somewhere with a microphone in front of his face because he is the best in the business. Gary McCord, thank you so much for your time. All right, Sleazy, what an interview that was with the one and only Gary McCord. He is a special, special human. Can't think of him enough for coming in here giving us a lot of his time, actually, and for bringing the little party favors that he brought, the pie. He was on some sort of a fast, which is weird, but he does a lot of weird stuff. And the Farity shirt was great, along with the Ferrety Stories.

That was one. I don't even know if I had heard that. I heard a lot of his crap over the years, but that was a new one for me, and that's an all-time story. I love that Tiger just walked away. Yeah. Yep. See later.

Yeah. You're really weird. The pie, I can't believe one of us didn't throw it in his face. Yeah, that was a whiff on our part, the fact that that did not end up in the middle of his face at the end. I thought it was fascinating how involved he was with 10 cup. Yeah, big time. I mean, he's big. And I wish we had, like, we could go three hours with Gary McGorn.

You and I don't even have to talk. There were some other great stories about some of the extras, how they found those extras. May I have found them at some local establishments. there in the area where they were shooting, but great stories from Gary. Dude, you can spend so much time with that. He's one of the best guys in the world. And whatever he decides to do now that he's not in broadcasting,

he's going to be good at it. Yeah, I can't believe someone hadn't scooped him up. He is. I think he's got options. He is a national treasure. And I respect him so much now that I'm getting into the broadcasting. And I've done three events now. And he makes it look so easy.

Yeah. And it's not. No. It's one of those jobs that, like, as I sit on my couch, I said, oh, wow, that was a stupid thing. to say. Guys that are really, really good at it make it look easy. And then until you got a microphone in your face like, hey, entertain everyone, talk about this four foot tap in and make it fun.

Like that's a really hard thing to do, especially in golf, because there's no sacks or no big hits or anything like there is in football or basketball or things like that, right? You're more or less calling shots that are not super excited. I mean, you have 10 seconds to set up a scene and make it funny. Are you ready for your debut? I can't wait. I'm going to kill this thing.

Say something dumb quick so we can come back on here and talk about it. I'll say something about you. I will be, if you don't drop my name week one where this podcast is finished. Promise? No, but it is great. They can't, like you said, can't thank Gary enough. We're going to have to do it again because he's got so many more stories to tell. We do an entire series with him.

Just a six-part Netflix. We'll release it like Netflix. All right. Well, now this is going to be my favorite moment of this episode. Get it over with. Let's make this quick. Let's just talk about our first week of making our gambling picks. Producer Mark, could you let us know what happened last week at the Honda Classic?

Yes. Colt, you picked the first place finisher, the third place finisher in Wyndham Clark, who is T-11. Lucas Glover got cut, but that's a pretty solid opening performance. Meanwhile, Drew, you also had Tommy Fleetwood finish in third. Thank you. You had Billy Horshiel in a T-42 scenario. And also, Ryan- Sunday Meltdown. Ryan Palmer played very well.

T17 and unfortunately the barn rat was right on the cut line we're pulling for him all day Friday very sad about that actually the fact you didn't pick the rat it hurts you got to pick guys on the pod when they are featured on the pot all right so we're we're adding up our total money each week how far down am I now after one week I got some making up so come back season so colt especially thanks to sung j m is at one million eight hundred eighty eight thousand two hundred and fifty dollars look at me i'm cold is at $611,11, $100. So basically you got tripled up.

That's a lot of money. I love it. So now that's a couple of Ferraris for our boy, the rap. If I just can somehow find your picks each week and I just copy them. Yeah, you could jam me up. You jam me up. I'm going to jam you up. Don't even think of looking over here.

I can't wait for you. My bag is going to be so heavy. Don't even look at this right now. This is what you did. It's Thursday morning. You came out the gates par par par par par. I'm boge, bogey, par. It's nothing, dude.

So much time left in this race. All right. Well, let's get into it. But this week, Arnold Palmer, invitational at Bay Hill. For those of you who missed last week, what we're doing each week is we're picking four guys. You have to pick one guy that is better than 25 to 1 odds. He's one of the favorites. One guy that's between 26 to 1 and 50 to 1.

Correct. And then two guys outside of 50 to 1. Correct. So two dark horse. That's where you can really make. More or less. That's where the money is made. All right.

So no surprise here. Okay. I'm going to go with the favorite. Okay. To win the golf tournament. That's just like you do that. Rory McRoy. He's finished in the top five in his last six worldwide starts.

T6 here last year, one in 2018. He's the best player in the field. Got to take him. Yeah, all right. So I'm going to give you a pass on that one. I also am picking Rory Macroy. If you don't pick Roy and McRoy in this, you're an idiot. You just rattle off all the stats.

I don't need to do it. He's the best player in the field. You got to take him hands down. If you're not, then that's a whiff. Until some of these other top five players in the world get in the field at the exact same time, we might have some overlap here. I'm going to Rory also. All right.

Your turn for the second one? So my second one, I'm going with a guy here. I think big upside. There's some bullets I got to dodge on this guy, but I'm going Jason Day, 28 to 1. Hasn't played a lot this year. As you know, last time out, MC at Riviera. So there's some question marks here. But prior to that, a fourth and a 16 in his last two starts, if he can get through the week

without like a withdrawal due to paper cut or a stub toe or something along, you never know what sort of ailment might come up with Jason Day. It could be Saturday and he could be in the league. to be like, oh, you know what, mosquito got me on the thumb last night. I'm out. There's a lot of question marks behind if he can be, if he can play four days straight.

But if he does, he's got the game that suits Bay Hill, hits it long, hits it high, does all the things you should do around Bay Hill. I'm going with a bit of a gamble, but I'm going Jason Day 28 to 1. His mailman might have coronavirus. There is a litany of reasons that he could not play this week. All right.

That's where I'm going. I'm going to go with a guy who had a very nice week here last year. Okay. Finish second. Matthew Fitzpatty. Patrick. Interesting. A little shot in the dark there.

Yeah. Loves Bay Hill. Great record around here. Picked up some distance in the last year. Incredible short game. Unbelievable short game. One of the best chippers I've ever seen. Was leading the golf tournament through 54 holes last year.

Ended up solo second. Matthew Fitzpatrick. Okay. Going with a little Euroflare here in the middle tier. I like that. Okay. I'll allow it. Okay.

Matthew Fitzpatrick. Next. Now this is where it starts getting. This is where the rubber dig. This is where the rubber. the road. I'm going on the guy who is just playing so well this year. Four top tens this year. Oh. One of my

favorite golf swings on the PGA tour. I think he's an incredible ball striker. Loves to hit a high fade, which I think sets up perfect for Bay Hill. Harris English. Okay. That's a good pick. I like that's a very good pick. Came out the gates quick at Honda this week too. Got sneaky trending.

Like, was he on the condition? He's on conditional status. 126 to 1.25, but he's like top 10. He's been 1.4 million a yeah. He's straight for next year. He's playing on condition. That's a good pick. I'm not going to knock that pick at all. I'm going to go here with a guy that we like that we both like this last week,

even though neither of us took him. But he is coming off a recent win, okay? Young Gunn, up and coming. I'm going Victor Hovland. He is 66 to 1, okay? I'm giving him a pass for last week at the Honda. Did not play well, but he's coming off his first win. Of course, he's going to have a big week.

He's going to celebrate. He's going to do all the things that a young kid would do when you win your first tour event. I'm giving him a pass this past week at the Honda. I think he regroups. I think he comes back Bay Hill. 66 to 1, one of the better iron players. Short game, not exactly his strength. Doesn't matter.

When you hit it as good as he hits it, you can have a little bit of a slip up on the short game. I'm going Victor Hovlin. I like him to play well this week. I love Victor Hovlin. Can't ever hate on him. 10 over last week. Yeah, I didn't have his best.

But I give that a complete wash. You're first of your kid or you're basically a rookie out there. You come out and win a tournament? What are you going to do? You're going to go out and win again the next week? No, you're going to celebrate that thing. All right, all right. Passed.

Last one. here we go another guy only one this is a good stat right here i dug deep for these stats in his last 18 competitive pga tour rounds one round worse than 71 okay one of the best iron players in my opinion on the pjure a guy that's becoming a guy that you're used to seeing on top of the leaderboards more often right now and i like him in like windy conditions tough conditions had a great finish at the wgc mexico city abraham answer i like him you got to you got to go for sure cutmakers and this bottom tier you got to got you know it's going to make the cut you got to add to your total and then big upside i think abraham's that guy okay i'm going to go with a rookie okay let me ask you this yep

who dominates bay hill me no okay wrong never played it's who's got the greatest record of anyone tiger woods okay arguably one of the highest ball strikers correct very high launch ever pay hills greens like you said you haven't been there getting concrete okay hitting a high ball It's huge around Bay Hill. I'm going to go with the guy that's got the highest apex on the PGA tour. Here we go. Rookie. Yep.

Currently ranked 51st in the world. It's a good pick. My guy, Scotty Sheffler. This is a good pick. This is a good pick. I hope he plays horrible this week and then I steal him next week just like you saw Sung Jay from me. But that is a very good pick. There's no way to knock that pick whatsoever.

All right. Scottie's a beast. Yes, he is. All right. To recap, I got Roy McElroy, Matthew Fitzpatrick, Harris, English, Scotty Sheffler. Correct. we overlap again on Rory McHore. We're going to have to tweak this thing maybe going forward.

I don't want you boxing me out. I'm picking all the same guys as me. I got some ground to make up. I got like $1.6 million to make up. So we're going to have to cut that off quick. But I got Rory, got Jason Day in my middle tier, Victor Hovlin, Abe, answer. Those are the four guys.

Both very strong lineup. So best of luck to you this week's, Liz. Best of luck to you. This is the start. This is the dude. We're barely out of the gates right now. Don't go count your chicken. All right, that's going to do it for this week's episode of golf subpar.

Next week, another special guest, Lazy. Who we got. Yes. Colorado, Colorado legend and up-and-coming superstar. Wyndham Clark will be on the program. In my opinion, we've had some great interviews.

We've set the bar high here at this one with Wyndham. Really cool. Got into a lot of serious golf stuff, but a lot of personal fun stuff as well. Great interview. He is a great interview. And that'll be out next Tuesday here on Golf Subpar.