Subpar - Geoff Ogilvy on emerging changes in golf coverage, competing with Tiger Woods

Episode Date: February 20, 2024

On this week's episode of GOLF's Subpar, 8-time PGA Tour winner Geoff Ogilvy joins Colt Knost and Drew Stoltz for an exclusive, in-studio interview. The 2006 U.S. Open Champion talks competing with Tiger Woods in his prime, his potential future as a golf analyst and his thoughts on the current state of the professional game. -- Genesis, proud sponsor of the Genesis Invitational and GOLF's Subpar. Make the Game Your own. The Genesis GV80. Learn more at Genesis.com -- Subscribe Now: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCt5ESUx6omMUsMoEKvMTzlA Shop The Birdie Juice Collection: https://fairwayjockey.com/collections/birdie-juice Follow Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/golf_subpar/?hl=en Follow Twitter: https://twitter.com/golf_subpar?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

All right, here we go. Welcome back to Golf Subpar and welcome to a new studio if you're watching on YouTube. How about this little setup we got here? How about this? This is the first time we're coming in here. It doesn't look like we're going to meet about accounts receivables or HR or something along those lines. And good news for everyone. No more hand banging on the table when guys are making points that just shocks the world basically. So how about this little setup we got here? Special shout out to Tammy, Larry, Mark for getting this whole thing together. It looks fantastic.

I'm very excited to be in here. But let's get to the Genesis Invitational. What a week it was, Hedecki Matsiyama. Final round 62 to blow the field away. Slees, I was out there covering the event for CBS, walking with Will Zala Torres and Luke List, the next to last group there on Sunday. At one point,

looked like Luke List was going to run away with this thing. Then we had five guys tied for the lead with anywhere from five to seven holes to play. Then in a blink of an eye, the damn thing was over. Yeah, it was a weird. There's a lot of shit going on in LA this week. But yeah, starting the day, I kind of thought, I was like, I feel like Cantlay kind of just milks this thing, puts it to bed.

I don't see him messing up very often. He got a nice pairing with Xander. That whole group really didn't do anything the entire front nine. Then like you said, Luke looked like the world beater. I was like, this is going to be Luke's. Then it could have been anyone's. And then, oh, this thing's done quickly with Hedeki's final round. And I mean, dude, what a final round it was.

He gave us a little, you know, standard prototype Hadeki on 16, where he was like, there was still some chance for some guys to make a late move on that. He gets to the par three 16th. Hits it. Shot tracker shows it going a little, maybe weak right. You know, his follow through drops to his shoulder, all that sort of thing. Like, oh, it's going in the bunker. This is going to open things up.

Lanzon goes to four inches over. You could just never know with Hedekke's followed through. But, dude, what a final round that was. Good to see him back playing good golf. But, I mean, dude, like the stories that rocked the thing didn't even take place from the winner more or less. It was Jordan Speets, DQ, which I'm sure we're going to get into in a second. And then Tiger, you know, all the hoopla around him making his return. And it was short-lived with the WD. Yeah, but Hedekhi, ninth PGA tour win first since the Sony Open in 2022. He's been

battling some injuries. He's actually been going back and forth to Japan quite a bit to get treatment for his neck and other injuries, which is wild to me. But man, he is a world-class player. He's a master's champion. Look at the places he's won. Riviera, Augusta National, Firestone, I mean, the guy wins at big time golf courses, big time events. He's one of the WM Phoenix open twice in front of the most raucous crowd there is on the PGA tour. He's not scared of the big moment and good to see him back healthy and playing good because, I mean, he is one of the, in my opinion, top 10 players in the world. Yeah, when he's playing well, when he's healthy, like you mentioned, look at the places he's won and just like Teter Green, I mean, when he's going, he's tough to beat. It's just more or less around the Greens, especially on the Greens.

We saw him tinker with his putting set up so many times over the years, but when it's all clicking, like he's tough to beat and it's been a minute since we've seen him in that winter circle but uh damn i mean damn the fee didn't earn it when they flash that thing up on the screen like chance to tie the course record set by ted treva i was like wow that is one with 500 names would not have guessed that uh ted was the course record holder at riviera shout out ted hell of around bud 61 around getting it done good plan that place is so hard um it was it was a lot of fun to watch the weather was pretty perfect all week, had hardly any wind, except for Thursday when that afternoon wave played rather difficult. But Tiger Woods, obviously, is who we are excited to see going in. Didn't look too bad on

Thursday. Looked pretty good. Fired a little one over par. Didn't seem to hurt himself too bad. Then goes out Friday morning and just never looked right, you know, or sorry, Friday afternoon, never looked right. Ended up playing six holes before W.D. with an illness, which is the good news in this thing. It seemed like nothing was wrong with the back. Yeah, I mean, I guess if there's a glass half full situation. That's it. It wasn't a back. It wasn't a foot. It wasn't any of that. It was flu, which seems like there was some weird shit going around LA. But dude, speaking of being sick, I was down for the count since Wednesday, doing nothing but watching TV. I actually watched Tiger's entire warmup on ESPN Live. And it started 54 minutes before he teed off. He's on the

putting green and went through his entire deal, basically all eyes on Tiger. And just watched him warm up. I was like, okay, I haven't seen Tigers like pre-round warm up from start to finish in a long time, he was moving so slow, just around the putting putting green, hitting putts, taking a while to gather him, scraping him back. Then he'd go sit down for a little bit, mess with his shoe, come back, and it just looked like he was so lethargic. And I was like, man, if he's able to like flip the switch by the time he gets on the first tee, like I'm going to be surprised. I don't know if this is what he's looked like the past few days, but he looks like he's moving slow. And then, yeah, sure enough, something was up with him. And, you know, he ends up withdrawing. But the first round,

I thought he, all things considered, I thought he looked as good as I could have hoped for, more or less. There's going to be some rest on the game, but off the T irons, I thought his putter looked really good. He holds some nice puts. Golf game-wise, I thought it looked pretty good from what I saw. You were out there, you watched him during the pro-am in person, what do you think? I walked nine holes with him during the pro-am on Wednesday morning, the front nine.

He looked so happy, so relaxed. He was playing with Josh Allen and Aaron Hicks, both who ridiculous, are unbelievable. They smash it. But Josh Allen got the call. week ago. Asked me to want to play. He's like, absolutely. He's a golf nut. But I got a chance to spend on the fourth tee. We had about 10, 15 minutes. It takes a little while to play that hole. He was as talkative with me as he's ever been. Seems really happy. Was making fun of Taylor Montgomery, which I always enjoy. Friendly waters. Friendly waters. We have that in common.

Was joking how he's put in like a three iron that has a little more meat behind it. He goes, I'm getting older. I can't hit the three iron as high as I used to. Steps up on the holes, 233 yards. It's this beautiful high fade three iron. Catches the slope. Goes down to like four feet. I'm like, yeah, that seems to work. Good club, good club. But was walking great, swinging great. I was really looking forward to the week. I know he hasn't had that much success around Riviera. Two runner-up finishes

one of the few places. He's never won, but I was so excited to see him get after it. And then, like you said, Thursday, I wasn't like, oh my God, he looks incredible. No, but it was fine. Oh, he looks bad. It's like, yeah, he hadn't played in a while. Looks pretty good. I'm fine with what I'm seeing. And then just unfortunate to have what happened Friday. I thought it was a little

dramatic with the ambulance and the two fire trucks outside the locker room. And then he gets in his own car and goes away. The fire, the two two fire trucks seems like a little bit like overkill. I was like, uh, tough shit to any neighbors around Riviera. They got a cat stuck in a tree or something like that. Sorry, all units are deployed to Riviera's clubhouse, but, uh, that's Tiger Woods. And when something happens, by God, uh, everyone responds. But hopefully he gets over this flu and it's nothing physical and we can still see them, you know, once, maybe twice more before Augusta National because ultimately, if we want them to have any sort of play any sort of a role,

he's got to log some like full tournaments. It can't just be one-offs here and there and then WDs and things like that. I hope we get him for Bay Hill. For me, I'm even getting to the point where, yes, I would love for him to win, love for him to get another major championship, but just him being there, being in the mix,

the buzz in the crowd, it's so much different than when he's not there. So like, yeah, I want him to win, obviously, but if he can just be there and consistently play, whether it's once a month, every other month, I don't know. Things are just so much better when Tiger Woods is in the field. Without question, I mean, like, if he shows up at the Masters and can play the weekend and just be, it doesn't have to be leading on the front page of the leaderboard just anything, just be around.

It makes that tournament better. Like, personally, I think the stars would have to align for him to contend and possibly pick off any sort of a PJ tour event, much less a major. But just have him be there, have him play a factor. Because like the golf, when it is healthy and he's out there walking around, like, it can be good enough. He's not as long as he used to be. Sure, but he's long enough. And his iron play and his putter ultimately what's going to win him. golf tournament. So that just, yeah, it was a little disappointing with all the buildup to see

him only there as short as he was. But he was back and, you know, shit, you rewind a year ago, we didn't even know if we'd see that. So glass half full, I guess. Yeah, the other story of the week, Jordan Speath, getting decued for an incorrect scorecard. His playing partner, Tom Kim, wrote down that he made a three on the part three fourth when he actually made a four. Jordan, who was also dealing with some illness, had a little bathroom emergency come on, rushed up the stairs, went in, signed a scorecard quickly. Well, didn't realize it was incorrect. By that point, it was too late. He was already out of the scoring area. Came back, incorrect scorecard, which means DQ. Okay, I got a couple problems with this. This rule's been in place for a very long time and

I understand it before technology, before TV, before every eyeball in the world was able to watch golf and know exactly what you shot. If you're in a PJ Tour event, Sleez, and I'm in Thailand, I can look and be like, yep, you shot. Sleez is eight under. Eight under. Perfect. Eight under 64. through six. Okay. No matter what, you got people out there keeping score everywhere.

But the problem I have with this, okay, if there would have been a five written down when he made a four, no big deal. We just add a stroke to his score. He teased it up the next two days. But because he signed for one lower,

it's automatic disqualification because he left the scoring out. Now, if he'd have been sitting there, they'd have been like Jordan. This is wrong. We have you as a four. You have three wrote down. He'd been like, yes, you're right.

My bad, I missed that. Fix that. Okay, no big deal. But even though he left the story, scoring area. I think the punishment does not fit the crime here because the fact that he is decued for signing for one lower when it was an obvious mistake, he did not mean to do it, instead of just a two-shot penalty. So I use the example of improving your lie. You can move sand from behind your ball to help your lie, whatever it is, and you deny it, deny it, and then you come

back and you're like, you know what, I did it, you're right, two-shot penalty, continue to play on. But this dude made a simple little mistake where his scorecard wasn't 100% correct. And instead of just being able to go back and fix it and take a penalty, like I think he should be penalized because he signed it and he left, the fact that he's disqualified, I just think it's so harsh. Like what others have done improving their lie, moving their ball, whatever it is, is way worse than what Jordan Speath did. You could tee off with 15 clubs and play a few holes and still go around and tee off the next day.

You're not disqualified for it. I think two things can be true at once. One, of course, the rules in place. It's up to Jordan Speed to have the right scores on the card. He signed for it. Boom. That is what it is. Also, it can still be a shit rule. Like, dude, I think there has to be a line. There's got to be some common sense, some sort of logic. Like, there's a difference between cheating and gaining an advantage on the field versus like an innocent accounting mistake, especially when the dude, as soon as he finished on 18, by the way, sprinted up the stairs, got up there. He was in a dire

situation. He had a poopy pants scenario here. What do you want me to do? Sit here and wait and possibly shit myself before my presser. Or can I just leave? and we can figure this thing out when I get back. It's just a bad look. I think the rules antiquated. There's so much technology out there. It's like at the end of the day, a guy signs for a wrong scorecard.

That's a simple accounting error. He wasn't trying to gain anything. And the fact that he didn't get to play the rest of the week, it's a huge blow to the Genesis too. DeLuze Tiger and Jordan back to back within the span of a few hours. Tough blow for them. At some level, I'm sure in the junior golf,

you know, amateur golf world, there's some sketchy stuff going on with like score card signing and things like that. At the PJ tour level, you can't cheat and back. Oh, I actually made a three there. Not a four. Like, it's not cheating. So let's figure out a way to at least let guys continue the golf turn away.

It's a one shot penalty, two shot penalty. Or just fix it before you tee off. Something along those lines is better than disqualification. Yeah, I don't think there's ever a point where Jordan would be like, no, I actually made a three there. And everybody's group's like, no, man, you made it a four. Like, that's not what's happening here. It's like, yes, I was in a very big hurry. I made a mistake.

That's on me. Give me a two shot penalty, one shot penalty, whatever it is. I'm fine with giving a penalty because part of it is you have to sign a correct scorecard. I totally get that. But disqualification is way too harsh. Way too harsh. And it's, yeah, like all the other rules and fractions out there, you can take an illegal drop. And as long as you catch it before you sign your card, boom, you just get, you're not even playing from the right spot.

And you still get to keep playing the tournament. This is just like, there's a difference between cheating and having like a mental hiccup. And this is a mental hiccup in a situation where he needed to get the hell out of the scoring tent and get away for a minute. And that ends up costing him a disqualification. It's just, I think it's a bad look for golf when people tune in. They're like, oh, dude, why is Jordan Speed disqualified? And they hear the rule. They're like, what?

No one, no other sport or the competitors responsible for keeping track of the score. Just to defend the rules officials here, because we had them on with CBS and I talked to a lot of them throughout the week. If he would have said, which, listen, he was, his mind was going a million miles an hour, he had to go. Emergency. Yes. If he would have said, guys, I'll be right back. there have been no problem. But because he said, are we good?

And they said, yeah. And he left the area. Like, there's a little certain area you have to stay within. He was disqualified. And I just think. I don't like it. It's like, you can't come back from that and be like, hey, dude, there's a little, little oopsie here on the card.

Can you clear this up? Oh, yeah, dude. I actually made four there. Cool. Done. And it's over. No one even needed to like know about it. It was just a different situation, but to make it result in a disqualification.

It was playing pretty decent. Like, who's to know what Jordan's speaking? You could go out and do on the weekend. Like it could potentially, it may not have, but it could change the outcome of the golf tournament. Like, it's just a bad look. And another one of those rules, like, luckily it doesn't come into play very often at the PGA tour level. You don't see that too often. Most guys just camp out in that tent until they clear it 17 times and then they leave.

But it happened. So it's probably worth addressing going forward. And the fact that happened that Jordan Spieth at this golf tournament probably increases the chances that it gets changed at some point. My favorite part of that whole situation is when our men do. had to come on and kind of break it all down for you. And he said, our scoring area this week is the ladies' locker room. Ah, nice. And who better to explain the situation than a guy named Deuce? You know what I mean? You got to mean? There's anyone that can explain what happened there. But let's change that. We got to get that rule out of here. Like, I'm fine with the penalty.

Just disqualification is a little harsh, in my opinion. Without question. But the Genesis Invitational was fantastic. Kadeki Matsiav, a very deserving winner. Ninth PGA Tour win. Now the most wins by an Asian-born player passing the one, the only KJ Choi. Beautiful, the beautiful KJ Choi, one of the great cutters of the golf ball in the world. And on a side note, not on the winter's side, but shout out Willsall Torres. Coming back and just his fourth start. Now, as a runner-up, he finished top 15 at Tori as well. He made the putter switch, which is, it looks miles different from six feet and in.

I know there's a little bit of a toe hit there, but it looks like night and day compared to what he used to have. The fact that he's come back from that type of entry as quickly as he has, dude, it's awesome and like sky's the limit for that kid this is not breaking news by any means but i think the fact that he's gotten back to this form as quickly as he has is pretty damn impressive really was he i followed him on sunday ball striking's there the putter is much better um there's a reason he has three runner-ups and nine major starts he's built for big time golf courses riviera's one of those and it's good to see him back he feels great moving great um i'm looking for big things for

will's alt-tors just his forced start back um to have that surgery at such a young age great to see him back. And it was a great week at the Genesis. I will say, though, that L.A. traffic can kiss my ass. The prices also can do the same. Other than that, it was a great week. Anything that can't kiss your ass from L.A. Bel Air Countryville? The place is fantastic. Okay, cool. Keep that. Love that place. Start the rest from scratch. Yeah? I mean, I was trying to break even last week between my paycheck and going out to dinner at night. It ain't no joke. You got an extra stamp in your passport, though. Across the border. Good job. Colin Morikawa, who is a massive foodie, okay?

knows all the great spots. He's giving me a hard time because I've heard of Mr. Chow's there in L.A. I've never been before. Natalie and I were walking around looking for a place to eat, stumbled upon Mr. Chal's, I always heard this place is great, little touristy, whatever, no big deal. It's been a staple in Beverly Hills. Walked in, was able to get a table. One of the best meals I've ever had.

He's like, you're such a tourist. I'm like, dude, I don't know when the last time you've been there. I am a tourist. The place is unbelievable. A local who I played golf with the next day, I said, I went to Mr. Chowell's last night. Seriously, one of the best meals. Noodles. They had this fiery beef, and they're known for their duck. Duck was unbelievable. And he goes, I haven't been there in years. Went the other night, and it was, it blew me away how good it was. So if you're ever in Beverly Hills,

I highly recommend going to Mr. Chouse. It's going to cost you a lot. Bring your wallet. But it's worth it. Bring Nancy's wallet. Better off because it's fat. Fat wallet. Did you know that? Did you know that? Yeah, I did like that one. Nancy didn't know where to get. That was like a compliment dig. This is the best one. You get that fatter than Nancy's wallet. Yeah, I'm complimenting you, dude. I'm Saying you're rich. That's the first time I think I've ever heard Jim Nance speechless. Yeah, he went straight to her read. He's like, all right, but speaking of,

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That's a beautiful whip. But it was a great week out of the Genesis. Thanks to them for everything that they do. Let's get to our guest this week. One of our favorites, the Aussie, U.S. Open champ. Jeff Ogilvy joins us in the house. This is a fantastic one. Let's get to it.

Here's Jeff Ogilvy on subpar. All right, at long last, the time has finally come to sit down with one of the great minds in the game of golf, eight-time PJ tour winner, major Champagne, now becoming a highly regarded member of the golf course architecture world. The great Jeff Ogilvie is with us. Good on your mic. Thank you. There it is. There it is. He had to get the hard.

It's like a, it's a nervous twitch. I have to just throw it in there. anytime. Probably never heard it before either. No, I heard you do it. Pretty cool. It's pretty nice. It's almost. I can mingle down there. Yeah, maybe a little bit. Maybe. I haven't seen you since I was down in your homeland a few months ago in Australia.

We got to tee it up together down at your place, Victoria. We did. Nice, beautiful summer day. Yeah, well, Melbourne's rough. It was tough when you were down there. But I just got back. I was there till, yeah, like mid-Jan just got back. Good to have you back, too, by the way. It's nice to be here. It feels right that you're back.

the great city of Scottsdale. I heard the game. We didn't get to play this past week, but I've been hearing word on the street. Games clean right now, huh? It feels a lot. Yeah, it feels all right. I don't know.

Golf is weird, but it is weird. You're flushing it, that's weird. You know what you're not going to believe is tempo. Pretty good? Pretty good still. Yeah. Can we talk? Because that was my first time down to Australia.

I played with you of Victoria and then over at Kingston Heath, which I believe your company had a little something to do with, touching it up. And it is unbelievable. both places, but just the golf down there. Like, it is unbelievable. Why can we not have places like that over here? I don't know.

Like, it's pretty unique, isn't it really? Like, it's not, it's not Link's golf. It's not Parkland golf. It's somewhere in the middle. I don't know, it's just a unique terrain. Melbourne, I mean, nowhere else in Australia has golf like that. I mean, Adelaide a little bit. I don't know.

We just got lucky. Good land. They all built them on the good spots. Alston McKenzie was out there right at the right time. Set like a really good culture about it. I don't know. and they set them up great. Yeah, but like the bunkers to the edge of the greens.

I just love the way that's cut and shaved around there. Like my wife Natalie was down there and she's like, should I come to the course? I heard it's beautiful. I'm like, you wouldn't appreciate like Royal Melbourne because you're not a golfer. Like it's not the prettiest thing in the world, but as a golfer,

you're like, holy shit, this place is really cool. Royal Melbourne's pretty special. Yeah, I'm glad you got to see it being played properly. And they got tough weather that week too. That was... The third round was insane. I mean, you were out there. You said the kid shot 65,

Sleez's Kryptonite, Samson. No, Samson. That dirty bastard. He's good, isn't he? He's really good in him. God, you see why we lost that there? He's a freaking machine. Yeah, that was one of the best scores you'll ever see.

I don't know, Royals are special. It's not long at all. There's really only one real par five. But if you break 70, you're playing proper golf. 6,900 yards. Yeah, we're no real rough. Just big greens, slopy greens, really wide fairways. But if you miss it in the wrong spot, good luck.

It's just so cool down there, too, like that area. I mean, you can play so many great. horses that are all within like 10 miles of each other they're all right there yeah roll melbourne victoria kinksnoyahara woodlands fininula kingswood they're all 10 15 minutes away from each other they're all you could drop a blanket over them yeah that's my dream of all my dream golf trip that i've never done was going on there and play those like you know you can go to monterey and you can play that those are all in an area long island has some spectacular golf up there in a very close area but like that one they're just different they're just you don't get them in the states like you was

saying yeah it's pretty special i mean i think westchester westchester county's pretty strong you know monterey's be strong southampton it's not bad it's pretty good golf but it's probably the best collection of courses for everybody to play i mean some of these really really great courses are difficult aren't they i mean real moment's tough but anybody can play it you know you can play it along the ground you can run it onto every green there's no water um i think the a 18 handicapper probably breaks his handicap and the scratch handicapped wonder's why he can't break par you know so it's a really kind of i don't know unique golf it was set up great for our man charlie v Just keep it on the ground.

70 yards. Give me the putter. Breaks 12 yards left or right. What is it? Is there anything about the terrain and things like that? Because so many Aussies that come up from there have the best set of hands. You're in that category. I think you're one of the most beautiful pitchers of the ball.

Jason Day. Cam Smith. I mean, you can kind of go down the list. Is that just something like playing on that terrain? You learn to use the bounce. It just feels like everyone that comes from there pitches it beautifully. Yeah, I think so. I think firm, really, really firm grains.

I mean, they're never soft enough to even make a pitchmark. To be fair, I mean, they're all really, really firm. The bunkers, at first, are an acquired taste because there's variety. There's firm spots and soft spots, and you never really know what's underneath the ball. But when you grow up there, you begin to learn how to read it. It teaches you how to read a lie in a bunker. It's not just, it's not the same under everyone. You begin to learn how to use your feet and feel like, well, there's probably no sand under this one or there's lots of sand under this one.

So you learn how to adapt and you have to be good. If you're not good around the Greens there, you're just not going to do any good. because they're so fast and they're so firm. You've got to spin the ball a lot because the greens aren't going to stop. So I don't know. I mean, firm ground, short grass. I think growing up on short grass, chipping I think is much, you can go from short grass to long grass,

but it's hard to grow up in rough and then learn how to chip on short grass. Terrifies people, yeah. It blows me away how many tour players don't love chipping off short grass, which is amazing to me. But if you don't grow up on it, it's a different, it's a very exacting technique. if your technique's not spot on, you're just not going to get it done on short grass. Those bunkers, the average guy played ping pong back and forth across those things down there.

Oh yeah. Yeah, you want to be a good bunker player. And half the time, the right bunker shot isn't straight at the hole. It's a bit Augusta-like. It's you've got to go over there. You've got to go to the right or you've got to go to the left. You've got to accept 15 feet a good shot. You try to hit it close. You'll hit her across the other side of the grain sort of stuff. Well, right now, I mean, you obviously still playing some. You got your design company, OCM, POSSI. some TV work. What are you focused on the most right now?

Probably golf, actually. The last few years I haven't really known what I was doing. I mean, COVID, I was down in Australia just so happened when COVID came and Australia was a bit like Alcatrazine COVID. Like we couldn't get off the island. So I didn't play any golf really. But I spent most of last year here hanging out at it with Sprock again, playing a bit more golf, played 12, 10 or 12 tournaments out on tour and sort of remember that this is a pretty good job. And I think, I mean, my game is still decent enough, I think. I've got to get some opportunities, but I'm pretty mostly focused on golf while I can. I mean, probably only got a few years left

on the big tour if I've got a chance. So I'm mainly focused on golf. But the OCR stuff would be the second thing. That's a really, that's a fun thing to get involved in with really, really good partners. And we're starting to get some really, really cool jobs. So it's golf. I didn't end that. Yeah, let's stay on the goal for just a minute because you and I were texting last week. You're like, I'm a head down. I'm golf again after a little break, right? And you came back last year and started playing. But what was it that got the juices flowing? Did you miss like the locker room being with the fellas? Was it the competition? What was it? I mean, all of that really. I mean, the locker room's fun. I mean, I could do without the travel so much. But the locker room's

fun. Just the grind. I don't know. Like every day I'd woken up since I was about 15. It was, I didn't have to decide what to do. It was just how do I get better at golf? You know, there's like a guiding light that just you just go that direction your whole life. And all of a sudden for a couple of years there, I'd wake up in the morning, I didn't know what to do. I just sat around and watch TV and play video games. You know, just what do you do? And I just, it wasn't that, it sounds kind of fun to just sit around and play video games and do nothing, but it isn't really. It's kind of nice to have something to aim at. So it's more that than anything. And the contention, like been to the President's Cup last year. There's some pretty special environments, those tournaments, and sort of being, not playing,

but being inside the roads with Scotty and Cam, especially they finished a round off really well on the, I think the Saturday, finished Eagle Birdy Birdie, and just the environment, seaweed, we're beating JT, like just that, I miss that, you know, and I'm probably never going to get back to that, but I mean, you never know, and it's just nice to be around, and I miss that, just a chance to be in the mix again, I think. The real drug for me. me, I think, is the mix, you know. It's fun to take it's fun to take 100 off you boys down the last hole at Whistrock, but it's like, it's a little different. That gets you ready. When you're out there. We can all dream. But you're 46 years old now, 47 this year. There's another fellow that's going to turn 50

before you that PJ Tour champions might get rather interesting if he decides to play out there some. Absolutely. I mean, I feel like he can take a cart. So that, although I hear that he's walking is much improved since the operation on his ankle. But if he can take a cart and play a bunch of tournaments, I mean, that's going to boost the senior store a lot. I would have thought, Champions Tour, sorry. And that'll be fun to play against him again, like getting the mix there again.

Exciting. And nobody you talk to, out of all the guys we all talk to, everyone who plays the Champions Tour has a good time. They all have fun time. I'll say there'll be $15 million persons on the Champions Tour. Yeah, who knows? If we're golf set at the moment, I mean, the world still wants to see him play.

And if he's out there playing and he's got, I mean, he's never changed. He's a golf tragic. I'm sure he's probably got Nicholas's records and laying his records up on the wall, like eyeing him off, thinking, well, maybe I can get some of this done. Like, you know, that's how he operates. I like who said that. Yeah, he's a golf freak. There's no doubt.

But stay on him a little bit because, I mean, you played right in the heart of his prime. I mean, you were number three in the world at one point. You got paired with him a lot. I believe the PJ at Medina, which you just helped redo. Was it you Phil and him the first two days? I mean, you were right there. What was it like going through Tiger Woods and his prime? Because everybody's like nowadays, like, God, I wish I would have seen Tiger.

I wish I'd have played against Tiger and his prime. I'm like, no, you didn't. You don't want any part of that. No, I don't know if you did. Well, I mean, you did for the experience, but not because you thought you weren't going to beat him. No one was going to beat him. I don't know. He was special.

I mean, we were basically the same age. He was 18 months older, I think. And we were kids in Australia. And when he played L.A. in 1991. he was like 15 or 16 he got an invite and um the announcers were talking about oh this kid's gonna be great and isn't it great and i'm like wow yeah he can't be that good he can't be as good as me or a couple of my other friends you know what i mean like he's all right and then when i got over i the first time i saw him play for real was at the western at pointer woods

what a place sort of mid 90s and we're all bouncing three woods like bouncing drivers into the trees at the end of the range he was flying three woods up the top of these trees so he was hitting at 30 hours past us and I'd never seen anything like it and he he didn't win I think cryball beat him that week in the match play but I'm just like this guy's a whole nother level and then about a month later about it the next year I saw him play at the British Open Stevie Allen you know Steve Allen he qualified and I didn't qualify but I got his family ticket so I was sort of walking around had really good access at live them 96 and um watch tiger shit 65 66 in the third round I'm like yeah this gets different he was different

and then I played with him a whole a whole bunch I mean that day at um Medina, 2006 PGA with him and Phil. That was the first time they'd ever played together in a major, which was hard to believe, I guess, at that point. But I guess they'd just never paired them together. And it was just pandemonium. I mean, how many people were following that? There had to be nobody else on the golf course.

Yeah, that's why they put them in separate waves. It's when I never played Thursday Friday because we need TV. We need one of them on each side. I mean, there was 300 people inside the ropes, at least. You know, it was just nuts. Anyone with a credential was inside the ropes. And I got into lunch, I think, the first day. And I can't remember who I was just sat down at a table as you do

when I'm having lunch. And someone's like, this is a weird major. There's no one here. I'm like, what do you mean? This is the biggest crowd in the world. But the other side of the golf course, there was nobody. The whole tournament was watching one group. It was amazing.

And of course, Tiger, every single time there was high expectations. He'd go and do well. So he goes and wins the tournament. That to me was the best. I mean, we've all played with, I mean, guys like DJ and Brooks and Scotty and Sergio and these guys who can play outrageous golf that's just like, wow, this is a really high level. But Tiger, every time the expectations were high, he met them or exceeded them. Every single time, never didn't exceed expectations.

And it's just, I don't know how you do that because that's the biggest anchor in golf is your own expectations. You just beat it every time. And when he's in contention, like that, I mean, it's so hard to close out a golf tournament. He did it like virtually every time. They held a lead. He was a genius at finishing 72 holes in front of everyone else. I mean, Thursday Friday, he was pretty casual and you'd be talking. It was like a normal Thursday Friday than anyone else.

Saturday, he'd be a little bit more serious. And Sunday, you couldn't talk to him. Like, he just wouldn't even look anyone in the eye. He was almost meditating. You know, he was just walking really slow, really measured. And he just somehow knew how to get to the end in front of everyone else. He was just better at it than everyone else. That was going to be my question.

Like, you mentioned Thursday Friday. Like, he was talking and stuff going down the fairways. Like, what do you talk to Tiger Woods about during around? I mean, him and Steve. usually had some pretty weak jokes. Just normal banter. What are you doing? And we actually had kids about the same time.

My kids are about the same ages, Tiger. So after a while, that was right around when we were having kids, 2006. We just, we would check in and see how the kids were going. And, you know, normal stuff. Like playing with him, obviously, in that arena, it's just a whole other level. Like, I got to cover him for the first time last year at L.A. And walking with him, just covering him in the media side. It's just, nobody else has to deal with the stuff he has to deal with.

Like for you as a player, it's got to be awesome to play with him. But at the same time, you're like, God, there is so much shit going on right now compared to when I play with other people. Oh, yeah, it was that. It was just incredible. Like just the people like you, the people inside the ropes, as I said, was trying to make room on some small T's at Riviera for all the people who want to be inside the ropes. And there's just noise going on. I always felt I liked playing with him. I always played well with him.

Well, not always, but mostly played pretty well. The group in front of him is the worst spot by a long way because everyone's rushing to try to get a view of Tiger Woods and they're all rushing to the group in front. That's the worst spot, always the group in front. But with him, with him was just, it was inspired. You knew you were with the best player of all time or one of the best players of all time

comparing your game to Hill. Not really comparing your game to his, but seeing what you could learn and pick up and you were kind of hoping that he would do something, Tiger Woods in front of you. So you were like, there. I was there when he did this, you know. no i was very lucky i think everyone i mean you don't you didn't want any part of it

really but we're all pretty fortunate to play in that era you know to play with a guy that good sort of maybe the best ever um pretty special and just the stuff he would come up with he could be playing rubbish all day but he would always hit the important shot well like if you're at the masters he'd be playing rubbish all day but he'd miss every fairway but then he'd pipe one down 15 hit it to eight feet make eagle and fix his round you know he just never missed the shot that mattered you know that's cool plenty of people hit good shots and bad shots but he just somehow hit the ones that would really make the most effect on his score he always had a good shot yeah and hopefully we get to see him sooner rather than later i don't really care what he shoots just to have my out of golf course

on a golf course is going to be awesome but in your comeback as you're i don't want to call it comeback but as you know kind of redovoting yourself to golf right now with the youth and the speed movement and everybody's in at 180 plus ball speed when when you're working on your game are you doing anything different than you used to like are you chasing that at all or you just like no i want to tighten up what i do not really um i just want to tighten up what i do i mean i'm still i don't think i ever really worked out my own golf to the level i wanted to you know you've always got some itch to scratch you know i wish i could do this i wish i could do that just trying to tidy up that i'm fortunate that i've always hit it far enough i mean i'm not with these kids these days but i'm

I'm still in the mid-170s or something, so I'm hitting it far enough, you know. And whenever I've chased speed in the past, things have kind of gone wrong. So, I mean, I'm going to the gym a little bit and hitting a few balls and just trying to hit it better. You know, I think there's a little overrated the distance a little bit. It's talked about and it's all anyone wants to do

and everyone talks about their new driver or the new ball or the speed stick routine. in the winter and I'm hitting it 15 yards further. It's still the guy who gets it in the hole and the least amount of shots and you don't need to hit at 330 yards to shoot whatever, 14 under at Torrey last week.

You don't. Even that's the longest course in the world and you can still, I mean, the winner wasn't hitting at 3.30. No, he wasn't. So you can still win a bunch of tournaments doing that. And it's not very long ago that Jordan was the best player in the world and he wasn't in it. So I still just try to do what I do well.

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the best on the planet. And now, like you said, it's very distant. biased. I mean, and you're obviously in the golf course design business. So you're building these places to kind of handle the modern game. But with, are you a fan of distance being so important, the ball not spinning as much and all that? I mean, it feels like on the PJ tour most weeks, like there's not really that much rough. So guys just ship it down there. There's not as much strategy, I would say, compared to when you were playing as like at a consistent level. No, I mean, the tour had a few phases throughout our career. I mean, it was sort of like it is now when I first, like late 90s, early 2000s,

and then they went a long, rough, narrow, fairway phase where it was just hack out every week, and that was really frustrating. I didn't really like that. And now they've seen to have gone back, it's like, you just let you hit it anywhere as long as you hit it far. I don't know, I think as soon as it gets firm,

you find the best golfers, usually. I would just much prefer sort of their main goal getting it firm over any sort of formula They seem to have some formulas. It's like, right, we have the fairways this wide this week. That's going to be this. And we have the rough at this length and all that. I mean, I think you saw Australia, it's not, there's no formula involved.

It's just we don't water the rough. So the rough is dry and flyer, and the greens are really firm. So the rough is a real problem. You can still get it there. But flyers are a problem. Flyers get you in a lot more trouble than Hackout. Absolutely. You know, I mean, hack out.

And Hackett's kind of boring. And I don't think anyone wants to watch Hackout, you know. I would just, if I had, if I was the boss, of the PGA tour for agronomy department for a minute. I wouldn't want to be the other boss. Why not? I would just aspire to have the greens as firm as possible. Because whenever they're firm, I mean, everyone's shooting 20.

We go to Mexico last year, which is a great venue and an unbelievable course. And the boys are shooting 28 under par and it's like 8,000 yards long. You just can't make it long enough to do it lengthwise. But then you go to Colonial, which they were basically killing because they were digging it up the next day and it was single digits, I think. And then Memorial was firm as anything. And that was single digits. It's like as soon as it gets firm, you find the best golfer and you all of a sudden,

3.30 in the rough is no good anymore. Maybe 270 on the right hand side of the fairways, a good spot because I can stop it on the green. We've had like Medina, when JT won there, there was like the longest course I think at the 78 plus or whatever, but it was dead soaking wet. Ball stopped exactly where it lands. If the ball stops where it lands, like these dudes will torch it. You can make it 8200 versus back. bouncy 7,000, like you said at Colonial last year.

And that seems to be, but it's hard to do. You need a little cooperation from Mother Nature and things like that. You do. And it's not all, you can't guarantee it for sure. But I think if that's a direction, that would be, make distance less. When you make it 8,000 yards, all you do is make us want to go home and get our speed sticks out and go to the gym and like, how far can we hit it? But if we played Colonial and Memorial every week, we would go home and work on our

soft little half seven iron left to right shots and our chipping around the greens. and we would work on different stuff. So, yeah, I mean, there's no perfect world. And I think a variety is the best, too. I mean, you should have weeks where, like, the long guys really get an advantage. But you should have other weeks where the guys who can really shape the ball around and spin it, get an advantage.

Well, you said it perfectly. I mean, you can't control Mother Nature. I mean, sometimes it's just, it's soft. That's what it is. But, like, we've seen Hartford work, 10, 11, 12 under par win. And it's 6,800 yards. I mean, Hilton heads hold up over time because when it gets firm. But I think, you know, with technology has changed it so.

much where Tiger was obviously better than everybody, but he also could hit shots that other people couldn't. Like, you're a great long iron player. Like hitting a five iron up in the air and getting it to stop was a huge skill. Well, now with the equipment, everybody pretty much can. And with track man, it's like, if the ball's going to stop, these guys know that five iron flies 205. And they are so good at hit their number. So it doesn't matter if they have 205 or 155, they can hit their number and then get the ball to stop. Yeah, I think golf gets the most interesting when the number is not that important. You know, when you're playing Palm Springs, I mean, I'm not picking on Likinter or the desert or anything like that. But when you're playing in these soft, no-wind places,

205 is 205 and you know, you can hit it. As soon as you hit it, you're like, well, that's 202 or it's 207, you just know straight away. Whereas when you go to the old course or you go to the bridge open or you go to somewhere firm, there's a little bit of a breeze, all of a sudden you're kind of, the number's just a starting point, right? You're just trying to feel it in and use your eyes. And that's a bit more golf to me than just black and white. What scares players is not having control. And when the ground's firm and they have no control over what it's going to do, that's when it plays hard.

And I'm old too. So, I mean, I think the firmer it gets, I think the more experience gets an advantage. You know, I think these kids, I think another reason why you see these kids come straight out of school and do well is because they're soft and they're, you can learn these courses in a day and a half, you know, whereas it, say Royal Melbourne, say if we played at Royal Melbourne, I don't think there'd be college kids up there contending. You know, I think it would be Tiger and John Rahman, the best golfers in the world. I mean, the best golfers in the world will be up there because you have to be the best golfer in the world. And you have to have had a bit of experience to be able to sort of work out how to get around there.

Yeah. And you, like, from your career till now, like, it's been a big evolution in golf. From the speed we're talking about now you got like the data, the analytics, the track man, like just the instruction that guys have on a range on a given day. Like everyone's got three guys around them and they're going through all of it. Where did you live? Because you have one of the most beautiful golf swings, I would say, it looks natural. doesn't look like there's a ton of technique. Where'd you live when you were playing your best golf

in terms of instruction? I got a little bit, but I wasn't ever obsessed with it. When I did sort of get obsessed with it, like we all go down those rabbit holes that usually went poorly. A little bit. I do a little bit.

I think there's a massive advantage in having a different perspective, an educated point of view from a coach. Because sometimes we, I mean, golf is naturally competitive. people are naturally a little bit stubborn, I think, all of us, because that's kind of why we compete. We think we know all the answers all the time, and I think it's good to have a bit of help. Dale Lynch was my coach for a really long time, and he was very wise, was fantastic to keep me

sort of viewing it from a slightly different perspective than my own, you know, which I think was really good. Now, I think, I mean, it's nuts. They all swing it great. So it's clearly helping everyone all this staff. all this launch monitors and 3D pads, 3D plates and all the stuff. I don't even know all the stuff they do. But like they all swing it great when they come out, don't they?

All the young kids, I mean, when I got on tour, you'd look up and down the range, and there was two good swings and everyone else was trying to work it out. You know, now there's 75 good swings. And there's a couple of guys that's like, how are you still out here? They're all robots, yeah. So it's clearly had a massive impact, but you still don't generally see those guys up there. the end of those really, really important tournaments. The cream still ends up at the top.

And I think there's an element above that you can't ignore that sort of, it's hard to describe what it is, but there's a sort of a psychological golf wisdom. There's a wisdom in there that can't be learnt or can't be taught by someone. It can only be sort of learnt by experience and feeling golf out a little bit. And the very, very best sort of seem to do both, you know, the technique and get. that part right you know tiger was always very big on talking about his technique when he got interviewed but then you'd go and see him play and it was all art you know the way he played you know moved it every was every shot one of the few that were both like technically perfect but also an artist could hit

whatever shot he wanted you know i mean and jordan's a little bit that way he seems to saw himself in technical knots but then he actually gets himself a really difficult shot and all of a sudden he becomes an artist again like i think there's somewhere in there that's the sweet spot you know you're really got to understand what you're doing but you really have to let go at some point and let the athlete take over. That's why golf's so good. There's no right answer. It's fascinating to sort of work through all that.

I think that's why Jordan's so successful around Augusta National because he just throws the technique out the window and he goes and he's an artist there. He doesn't think about it. He doesn't look at the Green's book, which you're not allowed to have anymore. But that's one thing like him and his caddy, Michael Greller would always talk about. He's like he uses the Green Book every week. He gets obsessed with it. And then we get to Augusta and they don't have them.

And he puts his ass off. It's just like, it's crazy. He just lets everything take over. I think, yeah, Jordan's a sort of guy. And I think a lot of people are this way. If you ask them a really interesting question, they're going to come up with an interesting answer. And Augusta asks interesting questions all day.

But if it's asking just a boring question, just hit it down the fairway. But hit it down to here, then it doesn't engage his minds. And so he goes into his technique. But if the shot engages his mind, then he doesn't go that way. That's really cool the way you said that. You ask an interesting question. You're going to an interesting answer, which leads me to TV. Are you going to ask an interesting question right now?

I'm going to ask, you know, what, because your name has been thrown out there a lot over the last several years about possibly being that lead analyst over at this other network that I don't work for, NBC. You know, you were up there, I believe, when Paul Aisinger got the job, y'all were in some talks, and now your name is brought up again. They're trying some different people out. How interested are you in doing TV, and what interests you about it? I don't know. I don't know. like I'd still prefer to play golf but if I couldn't play golf it would just be a great way to stay involved

I mean I sit around like most of us sit around and think about golf all the time because golfers that's what we do it'd be great to be involved those big events the tour is still a really fun place to be to sort of be part of that still if I wasn't playing would be really nice and see it from the other side I think when we're when we were all young and Johnny was like bagging us on the air and saying some stuff like it was frustrating right but I think when

you're the older you get you start realizing what he was actually doing and he was really good at it whether you agree with his opinion or not opinions are interesting you know so to just to do it from the other side I thought Zingal was great too you know I don't know we'll if it happens it happens I'm not chasing it as I said I'd rather hit really good shots and have full status and win golf tournaments and all that for the next few years. But if I don't and I end up doing TV, I think I could sort of get excited about it and try to do a good job at it.

I think golf broadcast could be better. That was going to be one of my questions. What would you like to see different? I don't know. I don't know. I'm not a TV guy. Like, I just know that it hasn't really changed. You know, there's a bit of technology.

I think Shot Trace has been really good for it on the technical front. I think there's some really interesting minds talking on there, and no one really ever gets much space to talk. You know, I think this format's fantastic because you actually get to talk it out, whereas when you get four, well, down to you cold on 15, and you get four seconds, and then we go somewhere else, and then they get four seconds, and you go somewhere else, and they get six seconds. I think you don't get the value of the great golf minds, like, on the broadcast, because they're

all just cut into five second bits, you know? I don't know how you fix that. I'm not a TV person, but it'd be interesting to be able to play around with stuff like that. Yeah, four seconds is only a long time in one situation. What's that? Yeah, but then if you said it perfectly, like, you got 15, boom, four seconds. Explain the lie, the pin, boom, done. Now we're back over here to 13 or whatever.

And no one gets to talk for very long. But if you aren't showing shots, one after the other, after the other, then the people are like, yo, show me some shot. You know what I mean? It's like, I don't know how you balance. There's so much. It's not a football game. We're like, okay, play ended.

We got 38 seconds until they snap the ball again. Boom, go, Troy Aikman, whoever. Tell me what you saw. It's always just bam, bam. You never really get, I'm totally agreement with you, but you never get anyone to lay out and be like, talk to me what's going on right now, you know? Give me more detail, I guess.

And look, there's some smart people who do the market research and they see all the ratings and they work out what the audience wants and they give them what the audience wants, you know. But me personally, I would rather hear cult talk about Zander Shofle's play on the last four holes for five minutes, you know, rather than four seconds. That's always been like my argument. Like I'm new to this, but golf broadcasts haven't changed over time.

It's like, okay, it's me. I'm with Zander on nine. Well, once we go to 10, we got to go to that. We can't do that. Like let it be conversational. Like if you and I are having a discussion about something Zander's working on and it goes over into the next shot, it's no big deal. It's not like we're not showing that next shot.

And if something crazy happens on that shot, we'll talk. about it. But if not, if it's just a shot that goes in there to 15, 20 feet, like, I feel like our conversation is way more interesting than saying, oh, and over at 10, Jordan Spee's hitting 7-iron from 180. Yeah, because when I'm watching the football and I'm hearing Tony Romo talk about football, I want to listen to him talk about football, you know, not just call the play that happened because I saw that play. You know, I wanted you to talk about, like your situations like that, what were you thinking? Like, how does that unfold? Does it really hurt when you get hit that hard? Like, all that sort of stuff. Like, I like that stuff.

Yeah, here comes to see. Watch this guy, watch the weak side. Like, like, he explains it because they have some time in between plays, you know what I mean? But golf's like, oh, he had a 7 and 15 feet. Go over to 12. Oh, he got so-and-so. He's there with the 9-iron. Bam. I think that's what's so cool, like you said about football, it's like, okay, say

Josh Allen throws an interception and everybody at home's like, how did he not see that guy? Well, Tony Romo can break it down and be like, this is why he didn't see him. Yeah. And I think that's what's fascinating. You learn every time you watch it. Yeah. That's what I want to learn. Yeah.

I mean, I think golf, I don't know. There's obviously smarter people than you and me working on all this sort of stuff. Easy. and there's ads you've got to fit in and all the promos and all that sort of stuff but I I'd love to see the announcers have a bit more space like a conversation between you and Frank and Finchie that's always intelligent between Frank and I you know I'd be I think it'd be fascinating but maybe golf doesn't work that way well whatever you decide if you do decide to get in there I think you're the best option available I think you'd kill it but I know your head

down on golf right now and then like you mentioned 46 then you said champions two are interest you too so it's like do you have are you to a point where you got to kind of pick like yeah you know what I'd love I would love to be in the booth and that's something I kind of like the window is now if I want to pursue that opportunity or it's like no I don't want to I want to keep playing and then when I turn 50 I want to start playing champions to or is it kind of one or the other it feels like when you go in the booth you don't come back a little bit um not many do if any really come back i think what like no does kind of playing some isn't he a little justin lillard champions like guys have done it but I don't know with like what success or you know

And Duval's tried to go back on the golf course. Yeah, I mean, I don't know. It feels like you're sort of like flying the white flag to golf a little bit. And that would be my hesitation. It wouldn't be that I wouldn't like doing it. I feel like if you could do that for half the tournaments and play the other tournaments, that would be great. I mean, you'd be traveling a lot.

But as I said, I'm not kind of about every night, like, fingers crossed that I get the job. But like, if it turns out that way, it's obviously a great, it's a great thing to do. And it would be really fun. I could put my head down on it and not have to worry about how I was hitting it anymore. Also not the worst. Yeah. Also not the worst.

So, yeah, we'll see. Who knows? With your playing, do you have any idea like where you might expect to play this year? Is it hard to put a schedule together? You got any idea? Yeah, I got no idea. I mean, the schedules, I mean, I got a few, quite a few last year out of the category I'm in, which is right down the bottom of the pecking order, which is where I should be.

Don't know. This year seems different because they've changed. it and the fall doesn't really count anymore or does but it doesn't really everyone's going to be playing a little bit more I think in this part of the season you know January through August I think we'll be a bit more stacked every week that being said there's a few guys have gone

um there's an extra there's an extra opposite event this year in Myrtle Beach I don't know I'll get a few I'll get a few and hopefully I can pinch an invite or two and really if you're playing well six or seven tournaments is enough to get going again if you're playing poorly 50 events isn't enough you know what I mean like it's all about how you're playing I'm going to get a few opportunities.

And if I play half decently, then maybe a tournament is like, oh, Jeff's playing a ride again. Maybe I'll give them a run in my tournament and then off you, off to the races, right? You have a top 10, you get the next one. But if it doesn't work out, I just, I just, as I said, I've got that little guiding light

and I want to just keep playing well and keep grinding on it and get better. And if I, when I get a chance, I'll do it. If I don't, then I'll just keep going to Whisk Rock and taking Charlie V's money. Oh, he's got a lot of it. You should just go in the booth once, like Camillo and then go out and win again.

Yeah, right. It's a work for him. Yeah. You know, I mean, Camilla is similar sort of situation. He was sort of on and get off again, not sort of, he never stopped grinding, but, um, found a rich rain of form and, you know, he's back, you know, it's awesome. Yeah. Yeah.

Let me ask you one thing about your playing career because you've seen a lot of guys come and go, but, you know, during your prime, Tiger was the only guy that was really talked about, Tiger and Phil. Who was a guy that you felt was like severely underrated that every time you play with him, you're like, fuck, he's good and he doesn't get near the credit. He deserves. The first one I ever play with it, I was better than I ever imagined he could be, was Colin Montgomery. He was, that was sort of late 90s in Europe.

He was, I still had never seen anybody. From inside 200 yards, he's as good as anyone I've ever seen. Maybe not from 30 feet, but from 100 to 200 yards, he hit it next to the hole in every shot. He was unbelievable. He won seven order of merits in a row in Europe, which is just dominance of a Tiger Woods sort of level, right? Ernie else clearly everybody's going to roll her eyes and say he was rated but he was better than people think he was so good it was just ridiculous no Tiger he was the guy you know easily he was easily the second best golfer there through that stretch I heard Tiger was like he was the

only guy he thought could give him a run if Ernie was playing his best Tiger had to really yeah he had to play really well you know Tiger seemed to be able to beat guys sort of not being fully on but he wouldn't have beaten Ernie if Ernie was on that battle they had at Maui where they went to the playoff that was cool they had some good ones i mean presidents cup i mean no they weren't ahead to playoff that president's got in the dark there's a house in the dark there's a house in the hall and the pressure like looking back on in the dark like by the way this is for everything you know one guy on each side and you knew who was going to be nicholas and gary player and the whole the side of the green yeah no that was crazy ernie was really really special um the first time i play with dj i couldn't

believe anyone could be that good. Yeah. You know? DJ, I mean, unbelievable career. I was a two-time major champion, but that's the guy I grew up with. And like, we all knew, like, coming out of college, everybody's like, oh, we had this great Walker Cup team.

Everybody's who's going to be the best. And it was unanimous. Like, Dustin's going to be the best. He's so good. Like, the first time I play with him was at Akron. It might have been his first year. Because did he win his first year? He won his second year.

He won't. He was like in threat of, like, losing his card. He wasn't, I think it was turning stone. He won't turn. Yeah. It must be in the year after that. He's second year on tour. And then it was bam every year.

And you know what? It's like, well, when you're doing well on tour, you don't really look down the money list. You just sort of you think you're one of the big guys and you just don't pay any attention. But I've never really heard a DJ. He'd been on the tour, I guess nearly two years. I pay with him an Akron. And after about six holes, I turned to score on like, who is this guy? This guy's a joke.

It's just, no, it was nuts. Like, I'd never been more impressed. He was pretty special. and such a good guy to play with. Always in a good mood. Never grumpy, never got mad. 76, he didn't care. He'd just go to the next tournament and then he'd just go win.

Like, bulletproof confidence. I don't know. And a smarter golfer than people would give him credit for. I mean, he's not opening an algebra book and, like, beating anybody. But on the golf course, he played really smart. He missed it in the right spot. He had a golf wisdom that was really underestimated or has. I don't know.

We haven't seen him play for a couple of years, but, um, Yeah, amazing. Yeah, he gets stuck about like, you know. Yeah, just walked up, hit it. Not the smartest guy. Like, that's kind of like the rap on him. But like, look at the Chambers Bay US Open where he three plus the last little. Like that would cripple most guys for like their career.

And I think it's a skill to be able to just like put it away and be done and move on and still go on to like not have that effect you after the fact. Yeah. And I think anyone who'd played that tournament, um, anyone who played that tournament would have looked back and gone, well, that could have happened. That could have happened anybody. I mean, the way those greens were like. the only people who were like getting on in for three putting that were people who weren't inside the ropes that week like anyone who played that was from everywhere yeah that was that was nuts i'll tell you one dj story so a couple years ago um pj championship harding park his brother's catting for him who is just a bigger

beauty a j i'm out walking a practice around with him and it's it's you've been there it's you play the presents cup there it's cold it's foggy ball didn't go anywhere i was like dj how much shorter your irons go here he's like oh no bro like club club club and a half and he goes I better write that down. I was waiting on like 10, 15 yards. Oh, no, I don't know, like club, club and a half maybe. So simple the way you guys are out of it. It shows that you don't need to go into all the detail at all.

You know, you just aim and hit it, really. And when he got the driver, like, when he gets the driver going, is there anyone you've ever played with, like, when DJ's going with it, like, he could win a tournament almost exclusively with that club, not at it's given, but, like, he's just going to be in spots that nobody else is. And from there, you're just going to accidentally make birdies. The only other one in this era is probably Rory. Yeah, the first time I play with him was in the match play in Tucson.

And it was like quarterfinals or something. And he still, he was still, this is before the gym, so he's short and he's like a little bit chubby. And everyone's like, this guy's amazing. He must have been pretty good because he was just turned pro when he was in the match play. And I was playing really, really well. And I was like six or seven under after about 15 holes, two up. And I birdied 15, 16 and 17 to win two and one. Like he birdied 15, 16, 17, 17, 17 on top of me.

And we get in the van. They pick you up in a little van to take you back to the clubhouse, like in that tournament because you finish out on the golf course. And we just sit down, squirrel. I mean, you know squirrel. He didn't say anything, really. And then he just turns to me, goes, well, that guy's the next number one viral in the world.

And that was it. Good call. It was so obvious. It was just, this guy is just, we're all playing for second with this guy. And he's still doing it. I mean, his career has been, I mean, they're going to pick on him for not winning a major for a decade. But that guy's in content.

mention every week he plays. His game is. So you mentioned Squirrel, your long time caddy. We shared a ride back in New Orleans, one of your, me, him and a couple other caddies. And I'm not going to say the player's name, but the player shot like 88 in New Orleans, which is really hard to do. And I'm scrolling through the leaderboard, I go, holy shit, so-and-so shot 88. And Squirrel just out of the back goes, was his book in Metus. I was like, that is just beautiful. He is a character. Funny man, yeah, really wise. I was very, very lucky to have him through the chunk of my I mean, he definitely, I was definitely a better player because he was on my back.

Absolutely. Yeah, that was during your run. While we were on the match play topic, what's the secret? I mean, who's better at it than you during that run? What is it? Give it to us. You just got to refuse to lose, I think. It's all in the head.

It's got nothing to do with golf, I don't think. Well, it's obviously got a bit to do with golf. But once you get to a certain point, I think it's, I don't know, it's, I don't know what it is. I mean, I see, I'm watching JT and C.W. With the President's Cup, they were two hard-headed stubborn people like me, and they were both refusing to lose. I mean, that was when you get two guys in the right headspace, I don't know, it's a headspace.

You just got to think you're going to know you're just got to know you're going to win, you know. It's the craziest thing, because there's some dudes that were unbelievable talents win tons of golf tournaments. You look at their match play record and Ryder Cup, whatever. Not great. And then you look at a guy's like, oh, yeah, he's solid, but nothing close to this other guy. you look at their record and he beats everybody. I mean, there's something just different about it,

gets your juices going more than. I don't know. To me, it was fun. And I mean, I liked all the little head games in it too. You know, just, I don't know, you've always got to get your opponent to see your ball. I mean, you give them a three footer on the first.

You don't give them a two footer on the second. They start getting annoyed. I mean, the best thing is when they get annoyed when you don't give them, give me. It's like my favorite game to play. Like, I don't know, all that stuff, I think is when you don't have to worry about score and it's just you and another guy,

I think it gets, to me, that's the most fun, you know. But for other guys trying to piece together a four-day tournament and have 270 shots and have one shot less than the next guy, that's, and that's just as valid. But to me, I yeah, my juices got flowing in the match play, I loved it. I was just going to ask if you had any, like, little secret things you like to do to piss people off. That was it, the putting?

Like, give them one that's longer, then make them put one that shorter? Yeah, and for some reason, I mean, I've been a bit of a, I've had a roller coaster of emotions on the golf course generally. I've been up and down. Match play for whatever reason, I just refused to give the guy any hope. I just stayed flatline. Like I actually talked to Dr. Rettler about it after,

for about two minutes at Riviera or another week after, I would have been in Durala somewhere, way back after the second time I won it. And he's like, that's fun, and you look like you have a good time. And we just talked about it. said yeah I just I love staying level and like making the other guy I think he hasn't got a chance

like didn't matter how bad a shot I'd ever would never get annoyed you know because I knew that would give him a little bit of a boost for whatever reason matchplay got me where I should have been all the time yeah it's different for whatever reason yeah I don't know you go out and try to play match play when it was a match play and I couldn't do it and I'd be like winging my dandine back at my bag on the third hole yeah easier to get over a bad shot like you quick hook one like oh that'd be double maybe worse or something in a stroke like how Oh my God, I got to make three birdies now just to get back level up. Bad swinging match by, I lost the whole one.

Yeah, you don't carry it with you. It's over. Yeah, it's easier to go one shot at, like, truly one shot at his own. Yeah. Yeah, you're a beast at it. There's no doubt. Got to ask you, everything that's going on in the world of golf right now. Live, PGA tour, Piff, private investment, all that nonsense.

What's your thought on everything? Is this good for the game of golf? Are we heading in the right direction? Or do you think this is tearing the game apart? I think it's tearing the game apart at the moment. I don't think it's necessarily like the worst thing to have competition. You know, I think from a player point of view, I think the PGA tour, or instantly their reaction was the players are now better off because this came along,

the top players at least. Financially. Financially. So I don't think competition's bad. I think it hasn't been handled amazingly. I think it'll be Rocky Road until they decide to agree on something, whatever that is. I think there's enough 52 weeks in the year is a lot of weeks. I think there's room for more than just one product on the calendar.

That being said, I think the PGA2, I'm a PGA2, a fanboy. I think their product has always been the best. They've got a lot of tradition. It's been gone for a really long time. but a bit of room on the calendar for someone to do something interesting I mean 72 whole stroke play 45 times in a row it kind of gets a bit boring you know I mean throwing something different out there

I think is interesting I don't I don't like that there's some great players on this side and there's some great players on the other side and I don't like that I think four times a year isn't enough to see the best players in the world get together and we probably almost don't at this point but I think the majors will work out how to get everyone in this fields because they're independent and they want the best fields of course yeah i think that's i mean golf's just

not big enough to be divided right you can't have we don't have NFL fans NFL money like you can't have some of the best players here and some over here and they're competing against each other like you want them all together whether it be 10 15 20 times a year i think we've got to figure out a way for them to all be back together i mean the money has just gotten so out of control which i mean you can't blame a player for taking a hundred million dollars like that's just it's just insane money but it's just I feel like that's all that's talked about now is the money like yeah no one so-and-so-one-rivia or bay hill or anything it's like cool so-and-so's going to live he's getting a hundred and fifty million dollars yeah and I think money is a bad measure um and the money's

great for the top guys as I said but I it isn't going well for probably the hundredth ranked guy in the US now as well as it was a few years ago you know because it's awesome the money's all gone to the top um we'll see I mean I don't know like I think Competition is good, a bit of a stir-up, maybe the tour probably maybe needed it. I'd like to see it get a bit global. I mean, I like that Liv goes all over the place, you know. I wish the PGA Tour had decided to sort of maybe use the fall, like, for real and go overseas. All those times, but because, I mean, that's sort of the booster rocket that Tiger Woods was for the PGA Tour

made golf more of a global game. You know, people were more interested in what PGA Tour players watching them play. So all the advantages that the tour got out of Tiger Woods have kind of come and said, well, you kind of have to take this global a little bit because that's, there's value over there, you know. So I don't know, who knows? I just, nothing. There's room on the calendar for everyone.

And I would just like to see at some point, I don't know how you get there from here, but where everyone at least, like you said, 10, 12 times a year gets to play against each other again. Okay, let me put you on the spot here. You're the number three player in the world again. again. Greg Norman calls. Says, Jeff, we want you to come to live. We're going to offer you $100 million. Yeah, I don't know.

I never had that decision to make, thank God. Well, I don't know. It sounds like a pretty good decision. I don't know. Like, if I was 24, I think I'd be really hard. I think if I was 38 or something like DJ was, I think it'd be a bit easier decision. I don't know.

I feel for those kids, I feel for these kids who are coming out of school and getting snapped up straight out of school, which is great for them. They're going to make money straight away, but there's a lot of learning and golf experience and the journey that you're going to miss. I mean, there's something about traveling to a town with a bunch of people grinding away at a game

that you're really never going to work out. No one else is going to work out. Staying in a crappy hotel, having dinner together, doing it for four rounds, repeat, and just doing that. There's some really nice sort of cadence and, sort of path to that journey and these kids are just going straight under private jets and straight out of school and they're not they're probably missing out on a bit of golf learning you know um and that fun that we had like on the grind early days um and if they never have a way back that's

tough for them i don't know i just hope everyone at some point it's going to take while it's obviously really complicated and there's this has got political ramifications i mean it's a big situation but hopefully it gets worked out where it can kind of come back to it'll never be normal again but it come back to a place where kids grow up aspiring to be golfers and playing with the best golfers in the world and they can yeah have you talked to because the australia events were huge success we just had Carlos Ortiz on he talked about like that how spectacular that one was have you talked to camp smith or or leash or anybody about like what their experience has been like with it so far the guys i've talked to they're having a great time yeah

like it's a bit loose they don't have that sort of cut stress and that sort of grinding away at their game stress that 70% of the tour is like usually under some sort of stress at least 70 it's probably underrating it whereas I think they have a little bit less of that it's just a bit more enjoyable a bit more relaxed they're playing in shorts they're only out there for five hours and then they go home three rounds making a lot of money um the events have got music and stuff going I mean, I think there's a lot of things going. I mean, as I said, there's room in the calendar for that staff. I mean, it doesn't need to be a sort of buttoned down 72 hole, sort of grind fest 50 times in a row, you know.

The guys out there, they're having a great time. Adelaide was an amazing success. I mean, everyone I talked to in Australia, everybody I know, because I mean, I know a lot of people in the golf world, they all went and they also said it was fantastic. Australia just loves golf. Yeah. I mean, the Presidents' Cup, huge success. I mean, I'm with you. like, you know, in the fall, the fall schedule into November when it's nice down there in Australia,

like, why not? I mean, it'd be great. I don't know. No matter what tour goes there, it's going to be a success. Oh, yeah, I think so. I mean, and Australia's not the only place. I mean, of course. But yeah, I mean, the Zosos success in Japan. I mean, they love saying top 50 guys in the world come to their tournament. So, yeah, I don't know. We'll see. We'll see. Nobody, nobody knows where it's going to end up. hopefully it ends up somewhere good soon or rather than later. We'll see. Then we can stop talking about it too and get back to talking about great golf. Let's get to the E9 here.

We could talk with you for 10 hours. So fascinating, Jeff Ogilvy. I think we should go with our first question, Celebrity Crush for Jeff Ogilvy. Celebrity crush. Yeah, you can do current or when you're coming up. Yeah. As a youth.

I don't know. Yeah, I don't want you to make him jealous right now or anything. Yeah, yeah. We got a. I had a Samantha Fox post on my wall when I was really young. You remember saying you probably was too young. Samantha. No, give me, well, Shane Fox.

Let me Google her real quick. Hell McPherson was up there for us. I see boys. Currently, I don't know. Gale Godot. Oh, yeah. Yeah, she was all there in the 80s. Makes sense.

Alyssa Milano and who's the boss? Yeah. Yeah. All right. There's a current Aussie that's getting a lot of votes. Margot Robbie would be getting a few votes. Yeah. To anyone that's eligible for.

for the question. I think she's batting about $750 on that answer. Yeah, she's strong. Yeah, she's doing good. All right, next one, I'll ask you this one. How much credit does Jim Strickland deserve for lighting the fire that led to your success on the PJ tour at a certain? Zero.

Club championship, maybe an out-dueling of the sorts, head-to-head type of scenario. We did. We ended up coming down the stretch. This was before it was match play or strike play. And we were, I don't know, four or five in front of third or something. and I, yeah, I shelled it to the trees on the last, I think. I think I was a cup in front of him on the back nine and I just let it go. He beat you?

Yeah, he did. Well, I beat myself, really. He was the benefit factor. But he was a pretty good player back there. He's still a good player. He's still a good player. Played with Phil at ASD. I mean, it ain't no shame.

But this is 20 years ago. So he was probably only in his 30s. Yeah. Still hitting it far. Yeah, that was a disappointing day. Well, the only place is you can lose your club championship and then go win on the BJ tour. Yeah.

Like, well, that was quick there after, wasn't it? And that's still true. I mean, he still takes great. He's like, yeah, it was the 36 whole day with Jeff. Yeah, no. They had a fire. We had a good day. I remember that day.

You won the twin Finn with him. I won the twin Finn with him. He's won the twin Finn with him. He's one. He's a game with too. When it comes down, he doesn't miss it. He's a good. He's a guyma.

He wants to kill people. Yeah. Yeah, he's beautiful. Um, all right, we mentioned Tiger earlier and all the times you played with him. Best shot, first one that comes to mind. Best shot you saw him hit in person. we're in Thailand Thailand I was playing with him and Rod Pampling

it was a Saturday I think and it was a par five and it was kind of like an island green I can't remember what I was like five or six on the front nine and I hit it we all hit the T shot I'm the shortest T shot I've got I don't know 250 over the water and then 25 Pamps is about five in front of me

and Tog is about five in front of him I didn't think I could get So I laid it up. Pamps was really long at that time. Hits three wood hits it reasonably short in the water. Taga hit four on to 10 feet like over the moon. It was like, I've never seen anything like it. It's like, this is 10 yards in front of me and this was beyond. Mike couldn't get my three wood over the water.

And he's flown four on further than I was going to fly my three wood and hit it to about 10 feet. It was like, yeah, no, this guy's different. That was the first really amazing shot. I saw him yet. It's one thing about asking that question is like everyone that's played with him has some shot that like, buddy it's not like the chip in at 16 at augusta you know i mean it's some random Thursday afternoon and he was hitting that ball flight the ball flight that everybody does now is like kind of goes up and doesn't spin it just hangs out he was doing that with titles professional like he was doing that

with the pre-pro v1 stuff like it was nuts he was nuts and that pt 15 3 would he had my god yeah the technology he was just he was hitting shots like we hit now or the three would then with that stuff that's the hardest club to hit in the history of golf the title is pt there's a top of t you you could hit it as far as your driver maybe further off the ground you could i mean you could top it 50% of the time yeah no he was so good and he used to blade too on like uh the mazinoes was that mp 29 yeah um and he hit that too on so long and so high unbelievable he's different animal um all right i'll give you a chance here because i know you're surfer right you like to get in the water you like to shred the gnar you and adam scott or sarah in the same

way of who shreds harder uh well when i was spending a lot more time in San Diego. I probably was doing a little bit better than him, but he's probably been a bit more consistent, so I'll go for him just. But we're both about 18 handicapped, let's be fair. But we're about the same. He's got a Kelly Slater's Wave Ranch or whatever. Yeah, he's practicing on, he's got, he's hanging out with Kelly. He likes to take a shirt all that. So, you know, everyone likes it when he takes his shirt on. All right. Next one. I don't know you noticed this but Sleez is rocking a little Puma gear over there. I like it. Used to be a cobra puma guy. He is newly signed to the brand.

Nice. Do you think Sleez is getting closer to Ricky Fowler money or Jeff Ogleby money? Definitely not Ricky Fowler money. I'll take either. I just said yeah, just give me what Ricky got. I think Ricky money was better than my money. Ricky Fowler money. Everyone's moving the needle. You know what I mean? Everyone moves a little bit. Group effort. It's a good brand for you. Lots of colors for participation. I love it. Brought colors.

Those shoes I started golf show. They're pretty crazy. Yeah, you liked that? Those little court ones. You tried that? No, but I'm about to on the way. I'll look nice. I feel fast in those bitches, you know.

I can't wait until sleaze is in the commercial with Ricky. It's going to be good. It's going to be big. Like old tiger jug on the ball, Nike stuff. Is that in the plans and the popcorn? In my plans. I don't know if it's in there. We'll figure it out.

All right. I got two more. I'll give you a philosophical question. and you're philosophical man. Explain to me, my theory is of all the people I've met across the world on a percentage basis, Australians are the coolest. If you meet 100 Aussies, 90 plus percent of them are awesome. Do you agree with that?

And if so, why? More than any other nationality. I don't know. I mean, they're just Australians to me, but I understand why people think that. They're all cool. They're all chill, funny. They have a good time.

It's like nowhere else you go as a percentage. I feel like that like that. I'd say it's pretty fair. Someone explained, someone said it ages ago, and I can't remember who said it. It doesn't really matter who said it. But they said Americans live to work. Australians work to live. Australians get a job so they can go to the pub and have a few beers, you know.

Americans wake up so they can make lots of money. Australians aren't obsessed with making lots of money. They just want to have a good time, generally speaking. Yeah, I think we're pretty laid back. We don't have any history. You guys have, well, America sort of took over a country and there's been civil wars and wars and you've been sort of leading the way in Europe. It's the same.

There's just lots of complicated history. Australia has no history. We just sit down there miles away from everybody and just sit in the sunshine. Hang out. Have a pint. Smash fosters. It's essentially less stress the further away from all the action you are. Yeah.

It's about a leishman lager. I won't know. Leachman Lager. Yeah. Good beer. All right. You mentioned your caddy squirrel. Great, Nick.

name. First off, I need to know why it's squirrel. And second, what's your favorite catty nickname you've come across? He was never really very forthcoming about the squirrel thing. There was a story. He was playing with a golfer. He was caddying for a golfer Lindsey Stephen, who was an Australian guy who played in Europe for a long time. And he used to call everybody something. You know, those people, those older boys who just, they never call you by your name. They're like, and he'd hit it in this long stuff and in Germany quite often there's like restrictions on how much of the grass or something they can cut and so you're about 20 hours off the fairway and it's just hay like it's six foot deep hay and I guess Lindsay had hit it in this stuff and he's like

where's my man where is he and squirrel goes like this pushes the grass down and goes like this he said oh squirrel you're in there and that was it that's stuck yeah but he said that wasn't why it happened but um I ran with that story um best nicknames I don't know there's a lot of them. I mean, Europe especially. There was a guy, the man in the pub. That was his nickname? He's in the name.

Because he looked like every time you go to the pub, there's a guy who looks like that. Like he just, like, is that they call it though? They walk up, hey, man in the pub. Man in the pub. What's up? Yeah.

Yeah. Nice. That's what it's good. Lots of body parts. The head, the lip. Yeah, a lot of body parts. The man in the pub. That was the most creative.

That's funny. It's good. Caddies have great nicknames. Yeah, absolutely. Mm-hmm. and the best stories. Are my last one here? Are you the only U.S. Open champ to celebrate in the lobby of a Marriott residence inn?

I don't know, but it was fun. It was a Crown Plaza, actually. Crown Plaza. Yeah. And we'd been there for two weeks. It was funny because we played Westchester the week before. Back when we used to play at Westchester, we had, so I was in the same Crown Plaza room, whatever.

I got to remember the room number 7, 24 or something in for 15 days. And it was the atrium lobby too. So everyone who walked in the front of the door, like walked through this bar situation. And it was a fun night because lots of people, lots of randoms who'd been to the tournament and just randos got to come through and have a beer and drink. I mean, 50 people drank out of it that night. It was fun. And Adam Scott was on his plane, right?

I think we asked him about it when he came on. Like he was on his plane, saw that you'd won. It was like, I can't leave. Came back. And I mean, imagine being a fan and walking in your hotel. Like, all right, we're done for the week. What a great week. And then there are you and Adam Scott.

are like celebrating. No, no, it was fun. Yeah, he was on Ernie's plane flying back to London, sitting down in the seat, I guess, and he's like, no, I can't do this. I've got to stay. And he got off. What a guy.

Yeah, what a guy, yeah. Might have saved him some physical, you know. Well, he probably had to go get on American Airlines the next day or something. Yeah. Yeah, I might have saved him early else on the airplane. Yeah, saved his medical bills. Yeah, he might have drank less celebrating with you than with Ernie. Oh, I think, for sure, absolutely.

Definitely took less head butts. All right. Last one. What's the most number of golf clubs you've ever been hit with at one time? Golf clubs? Yeah. Hit with? There's a story behind this, no?

Hilton Head. Did I get hit by golf clubs? Rumor had it, the squirrel threw the entire bag at you. Oh, you may have. He may have, you don't remember this? No, I don't remember this. Where'd you get this story from? He souped it on 14, I heard.

Slam the club in the bag, and it hit his finger, and he picked the whole bag up and threw it at you. Oh, yeah, I remember that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, yeah, I hit him. I mean, it happens if someone caddies for you for a long time, I mean, you accidentally hit your catty's hand every down in when you put the club back in the back. And I felt instantly guilty straight away. And he, I was probably had my head at my ass for the last six holes or six months probably for who knows.

Um, and that probably flipped him. Yeah, he snapped back a couple of times as he should have because that snaps me out of it, right? Yeah. The whole bag. I don't remember the whole bag. Could have been. Got bad info. No, it's probably good.

It's probably the right info. It could definitely have happened. As a caddy, you just don't put your fingers over the bag. You get your hand away from the bag, yeah. You go ahead and slam it, and then I'll grab it. Yeah. That's a guy that's confident in his job security too. Yeah, absolutely.

Throw the whole bag of the boss. You know what I mean? Oh, this will be fine. I mean, it's why he was such a great caddy. He wasn't trying to ever keep his job. He was trying to do the best job of good. How long did he caddy for you for? 13 years.

Wow. What's he doing now? He caddies. He's got a few favorites. He caddies for Keltson and Tom Lewis and, and feels in a bit. I think he did a couple of weeks for Luke a couple of years ago. He's a beauty.

Yeah, he is. He's the best. Well, so are you, my man. That was a lot of fun. Thank you so much, yeah. One of the most fascinating talks and golf. Appreciate you, my man. Good stuff.

All right, that was Jeff Ogilvie on Subpart. Slead, he's one of my favorite guys in the world of golf. Always love playing with him at Whisper Rock or out on tour. He is just, he is so thoughtful, has some great opinion, some great insight in the game of golf. It was really fun sitting down with him. Dude, back in the day. before he moved and took his little hiatus. He was at the rock a lot of times when I was still playing out there. Similarly, like he wasn't a big ball hitter. He liked to hit a few balls,

but he mostly liked to play golf. I was the exact same way. So Jeff and I would hop in a cart. We played tons of holes together. And to this day, when people say, like, who's the most fun guy to play with? Jeff Ogilvie, you could ride around, play 18 holes. We'd play in like three hours or less. You could spend the entire time talking about golf and you'd come away and you'd know a lot more. I'd ask him about his pitching all the times. I think to this day is one of the most beautiful pitchers of the golf ball that I've ever seen. And on the other side of that, you can play three hours and talk about golf zero. And he still has a ton to say. And there's not a ton of golfers like that. They're so tunnel visioned on golf. It's like talk about golf the entire

time. But Jeff can do, you know, a variety of things. That's why I think if he chooses to do so, you'd be an unbelievable addition in the booth for NBC. I know he's still got ambitions of playing. He's fully engaged and back in it, but he would be awesome, awesome. in the booth. And he's still got his, like he's got a lot of shit going on with the design company as well. What I took from that was you compared your game to Jeff Ogleves. Comparing my golf game to it. Yeah. Self-suck, $20. I don't know. We didn't get a little pot, my golf game right there, just that I like to play with him. And then he likes to talk about things other than golf. Let's get a little piggy bank and do a little

self-suck piggy bank right there. I'd be happy to. Load that thing up, dude. I'll be buying it. I'll be buying a Genesis GV80 at the end of this thing. But nobody got to see Tiger up close and personal as much as Jeff Ogleby. I mean, this guy when he and his prime, he was there, he got to number three in the world, battled it out with Tigers, not really battled out. Got to see Tiger dominate fields, but Jeff, like I said, one of my favorites. It was a lot of fun sitting down with him. I'm sure we'll have him on again in the future.

And wish him best luck in golf and as well as the design business or an analyst, whatever he wants to do. He's got options. Yeah. It's good to be Jeff Ogilvie right now. And he's good at everything that he does right now. Some of those redesigns look forward to seeing what Medanian. it looks like shady oaks turned out phenomenal um they do a hell of a job man all right let's get to some

gambling we're on to the mexican open down at vedanta i've been there that place is awesome by the way hotel very nice ridables very nice rooms um lighted par three course so they just finished an amusement park they got a million restaurants this is a great one i covered it the last couple years sad to miss it good one for the wives yeah the field yeah let's be honest not the best um tony fien out defending champion and massive favorite. So this is going to be a fun one to try to pick a winner for. I'm going a little down the board for my favorite. And you want me to tell you why?

I would love to hear why. Because I saw him at Bel Air Country Club last week. That's the reason I'm picking him. That's enough. I think he's a super nice guy. He hits it a mile. I don't think the U.S. knows enough about him. Former rugby player.

His dad was one of a legend over New Zealand for the All Blacks. Like I said, I saw him. He was on the group ahead of me at Bel Air Country Club on Thursday because he wasn't in the field at Genesis. Going Ryan Fox at 35 to 1. Oh, nice. Out of nowhere. I like that.

Did you see a guy outside? It's like seeing your teacher outside of school and realize they're a regular person. Boom. That's enough for me. Ms. Davis? Miss Davis. Can't get her out of my mind. You know what I mean?

Shout out Miss Davis. God, what a good show. All right, I'm going to go with a guy as my favorite who I picked as a dark horse just a few weeks ago. But like you said, field, solid, not the best field in the world. this golf course especially if you can it's a bomber's paradise hit it as hard as you can it's my tony fienow clearly loves the place a lot of these guys that move it great golf course for them me thomas ditry 25 to 1 coming off at 20th a 4th and a 28th he's been playing good golf in this field like we said ain't the strongest in the world i think you can make a big move

this week love thomas detri also future guest here at subpar we have got it on the books gonna be filming with him soon that's why i picked him yeah great hair hits it a mile Love him. Very jealous. Beautiful. Yeah. He's coming. And by the way, I will say, I like Tony Fienow a lot this week. As far as gambling-wise, though, I don't. He has a second and a first tier. Loves the place. The little thing that worries me, for those of you out there, they're going to load up on Tony Fienau. It's a great family week. He's got all his kids down there. They do the light of Par 3. The amusement park is now open. So I'm a little worried Tony might be a little banged up from the roller coasters and stuff. Busy week. Busy week for Tony down there. Going to be an expensive week, too. He can afford it. He's got a lot of tickets. A lot of tickets. A lot of tickets to buy. But just think he doesn't drink, so he doesn't spend money on booze, so he gets to do it on fun. Amusement parks. Yeah. He'll probably play great. All right, my dark horse going off at 60 to 1. Seen a little bit of resurgence in his game, starting to play a little better, hits at a mile, which I think both pretty well around this golf course. There's like two holes. You really got to focus on your T-shot. It's number 10 and number one. I mean, they get a little narrow. Other than that,

you can absolutely send it. This guy sends it. He also speaks the language down there. Give me Johnny Vegas at 60 to 1. I like that. And also just a streaky dude that comes out of nowhere. And when he does, he puts up birdies and bunches. Don't dislike that at all. For my long shot, 70 to 1. Friend of the program, recent resurgence in the game,

two weeks removed from a near win. He's hitting it as hard as I can remember seeing him hit it, including some of those drives he hit on the 18th hole at TPC Scott's sale. Pudder was looking good as well. 50th at Riv, I don't know, but he's still running hot, I believe, from Phoenix. and at 70 to 1 with this field, I think you could make a move. Give me the Siegel, Charlie Hoffman, come on down, kid.

Okay. What do you think about that, huh? Man, I mean, it looked like he was going to get it done there at Phoenix. I would never say to his face, I was rooting for him. Love Nick Taylor, who also has been on the show, but the Seagull, obviously I have a great relationship with. That was a tough one. He played so great, 64, 64 on the weekend at Phoenix. Probably was a little tired last week of the Genesis, but grinded out a cut in a 52,000.

$1,000 payday or whatever. A nice little bonus for a week that he was planning on going skiing instead. So slightly better around. So yes. Seagull, he's sitting, dude, he's moving it too. And I'm on radio. He's talking about it. He's like, yeah, it's more just about like staying healthy and things like that.

But dude, some of those drives he had on 18, the one and carried the water and regulation. I'm like, dude, that was down there in J.B. Holmes territory. Like he, I know he's 48, but like, he's still moving it. Yeah, he absolutely does move it. On a sad note, football's over, man. Dude. the golf ended the golf ended yesterday and immediately my brain just out of default was like oh what's the night game what's the night and i was like oh no night game so you know what i turned on the NBA

all-star game which sucked i don't know why they have it i mean luca's jacking up three-quarter court shots just for fun two for one it's the scores 207 to the 195 like 397 points combined i'm just like like it's cool i guess to see some dunks and stuff like that but like why are we really having this. All the dudes just trot around, shoot three's dunk, and try not to get hurt. The best was the three-point contest, and then also Steph Curry versus Sabrina Ionescu, which was awesome. Sabrina held her own shooting from the NBA three-point line, too. Got beat 29 to 26 against probably the greatest shooter of all time. Yeah, and would have made the finals otherwise. It was the dunk contest needs revamping when you got a dude that plays in the

G-League that pretty much has this thing locked up. I think you need to change that. But the whole All-Star, like, going from like meaningful football after golf for weeks and weeks and weeks to, oh, here's this grab-ass NBA All-Star game is a rough re-entry. I didn't even know what to bat. I was like, the over-under was like, I mean, I don't know. I was like, what it? No one gives a shit. It's got to go over.

I would think. I was actually re-watching the last dance. And I mean, MJ's last year was NBA All-Star MVP. Yeah. Like, they actually cared back then. It was cool. Sometimes when the game's tied at the end of the fourth quarter, like they actually start trying. This one was like pretty much East was running away with it. Like it no one ever tried.

It was just like who can score. You know, you got cat trying to score 50. Haliburton out there jacking it every time for the hometown crowd. Just like this is just, I don't know. Like who's watching and all the celebs that show up for them? Like, why would you show up to this one one game in Indianapolis? All right. Enough negativity. Just fix it. Just fix it and fix the DQ for the scorecard. We got all the answers here on this show. All right. Thanks for listening. We'll talk to you on next week's subpar.