Subpar - Harry Higgs Interview: Needing a mulligan on meeting Tiger, His incredible self confidence

Episode Date: January 5, 2021

On this week's episode of GOLF's Subpar, PGA Tour Rookie Harry Higgs joins former PGA Tour pro Colt Knost and his close friend and on course rival Drew Stoltz for an exclusive, in-studio, interview. The SMU alum explains why he needs a mulligan on meeting Tiger Woods, his path to make the Tour, and why his self confidence is at an all time high.

Hello world. Welcome to another week of golf subpar, Colt Nost and Drew Stoltz. I know everyone out there was expecting our award show this week, but we got a special present coming to you at the start of 2021. Please tell them what we got. Man, what a way to start off the year. Dude, the guy we've been wanting to get in the studio for a while. Luckily, he came out to Scottsdale to tighten up the game a little bit before the 2021 season, and we will be in studio with our guy, Big Beautiful, a nickname we are really pushing

Colt, Big Beautiful. We're trying to get that to stick. Harry Higgs is in the building, and this is a fun one, dude. Yes, it is a lot of fun. But you know what? I know everybody out there is excited for this award show. We want to keep you coming, keep throwing you some of the nominees and keep responding to us on our social because it's going to be a lot of fun once we do this award show.

But first, let's get to Big Beautiful Harry Higgs on Golf Subpar. Big time guest in the building today. We've been looking forward to this one for a long time. We got one of the most beloved men on the PGA tour coming off a great rookie season. We know I'm Colt as Big Beautiful. which we're pushing for hard. The rest of the world knows them as Harry Higgs. Welcome to the show, brother.

Thank you very much. I appreciate you having me. By the way, I mean, we did start the nickname. Big Beautiful. Yeah, we need to dive into that. We're pushing hard on it. Is it sticking it off? No.

Damn it. I've got no problem with it. So I don't know that I'll push for it to stick. You can't, it's not a true nickname if you have, you know, if you force it or you, you know. But you guys came up with it. I'm all in. Big, beautiful. Sure.

I'm never going to be small. I appreciate the fact that you highlight my beauty. I don't know that I'm beautiful. But Big Beautiful works. No. Let me tell you how big and beautiful you are. This is the first time we've ever filled in front of a live studio audience. Well, that's true.

People come out for Big Beautiful area. We do have an audience. Yeah, we do. We hear some applause tonight. That's where it's coming from. He brought his own entourage with him tonight. But yeah, the Big Beautiful. You didn't give yourself the nickname.

You don't have to feel bad about pushing it. We gave it. It's like an An1, Streetball type of shit. If someone else gives it to you, you just go with it. Sleez is the only one that gives himself names. I give myself names. Yeah. So, I mean, I like you, but some people may not because you give yourself a nickname.

Correct. You can't. As long as you like me, who cares about everybody else. Screw everybody. Yeah, exactly. But you wanted to talk a little bit about the flow he's got going on. I know you're a big fan of it. Well, we just got off the course, dude, and you were wearing the hat all day.

I said to you afterwards when you took it off, A, the flow is incredible. You just told me you hadn't had a haircut since March. Is that correct? Yeah. Yeah. You're doing good. I do have good hat head. Yeah, for sure.

I know that some people put a hat on and it messes their hair up. I think it might improve mine. I have no idea what I look like. So I'm just going on. I didn't check myself in a mirror before all this because I'm big beautiful. And I look good no matter what. Effortless beauty. Yeah.

That's what you do. Have you ever, I said this when we got done, have you ever considered being a visor guy? Because you have the big head because you put mine on right after we got down the plan. I couldn't fit. I was shocked that it did. Normally it's like I make this bigger for me, dude. Come on. It fit like a glove.

And you have the flow. for any thought of working the visor. I, you know, I have not thought of it until you have now pushed it. I probably not. Like, I feel like that's too much. You know, the sex appeal with me. Too sexy. Yeah. It's ever increasing and growing, which is hilarious.

It's absolutely not. But I feel like it might be too much. If the flow is flowing with the wind, when the visor, that could be too much. Yeah, a lot of people might not be able to take their eyes on something like that. Too sexy like Antonio Banderas. We'll leave your advisors. I think I'll stick with a hat. If you ever want to.

I need to make the Ryder Cup team, though, because I for sure would wear no hat and just let the win. It would be all over the place. It would be lovely. The sunglasses on with no hat. That's a very European team. Yeah, they love the no hat thing.

They've been winning, so maybe we take the hats. Too-shade. Maybe that's what it takes to turn this thing around a little bit. I couldn't say. I'd love to make the team. I do feel like I'd do well. I got a lot of good golf ahead of me before that. Well, we played with you today, and your golf's looking rather nice.

Yeah, it was good. It was a lot better than I thought it would be. Yeah, you carried your partner rather nicely. I did, I did. But my partner came in in the clutch, maybe once. Let's go back to some earlier years. You went to, by the way, this pain sleaze because we got two S&U muskite. I don't think I ever knew it.

I've just kind of come to terms of it because it's like every year someone wins the USM from S&U or plays in the finals and they come out and play on tour, and I've just kind of resigned to the fact that, like, it is what it is. We got Tom Hogi, I think, carrying the... JJ Henry, does he have any... Is he still out there? He's still out there. Oh, yeah.

Yeah, we only got two frogs out there. Yeah. So I just kind of resigned to the fact that, like, it is what it is. SMU is better top to bottom. Oh, there's no doubt about it. Yeah, you got up one sport, you know? Well, it's our sport, but whatever. Last time SMU and TCU got on the football field.

Yeah. You guys kind of ran scared this year, too. No, we all ducked out for COVID, man. Tried to reschedule it eight times. I don't know that I heard that. All right, well, let's get to it. What, first of you grew up in Kansas City. What got you to SMU?

Beautiful women. I thought you were going to say you're trying to follow the footsteps a big gravy, but whatever. No, I mean, I had no idea who you were before I went to school. Guess you didn't have a TV, Harry? Elaborate on that, please. And that's, I wasn't a huge, I mean, I was, I'm a golf fan. I like watching golf, but I wasn't really that tuned into it until probably college. And then shortly thereafter, I realized, oh, yeah, Colt went here.

And then he had a ridiculous. ridiculously good, both amateur and professional career. No, SMU was the first school to come visit me in Kansas City. That makes you feel kind of special. You know, you think you're hot shit as an 18-year-old. And then, oh, wow, they're coming to my house to, they want me that bad. And then I made a visit, and we went to a boulevard, and it was a beautiful day, and there was a lot of beautiful women.

And I don't even... We might have gone into the game, maybe for five minutes. And I was sold right then and there. That was signed, sealed, delivery. I'm coming here. That's all it takes is one good campus visit. Yeah. Wow.

One good campus visit with good weather. Maybe a trip to the baby dolls out and about. We went to Home Bar, the green elephant, which was an 18-year-old. I don't know. I wouldn't imagine. I would have been out on your. Yeah. Let's not discriminate ourselves here.

It was a lovely weekend. But you were a solid player throughout SMU, but you were never the top dog. I mean, you were there with Bryson DeShambo. But you were talking to your coaches. You were two or three minutes. man, you know? Yeah. And a lot of two or three men in college don't really go on to play professional golf.

Sure. You know, I mean, especially, I mean, SME is a great program, but it's not in Oklahoma State of Georgia or anything like that. But what gave you the belief that you could go out and be successful in professional golf, no, and you weren't even the top dog at your college team? Yeah, I mean, I certainly was not. I think the one, I had a few nice events in my senior year, had a couple of chances to win. One of the, I guess, best accomplishments for me for four years,

So I played every tournament. I traveled every week, which, I mean, sometimes I finish 60th, shot a round or two in the 80s. Like, I really wasn't that good. What did it for me? I have no idea. But I just, I always wanted to play professional golf. Being at SMU in Dallas, certainly met a lot of people that could help me both financially,

really in any way, kind of chase the dream. So when I finished, I signed up. And I had had good results my senior year. I thought I was ready. You turn pro, and then it was the same thing. Like, it took me, it took me every bit of three, almost four years. Kind of like in college, I started having good results my senior year. I didn't really start having great results professionally until my third or fourth year as well.

And now I feel like the ball is rolling, right? Like I've got my formula of what works for me, how do I get the best performances out of me? And now it's just off and running. Very lucky and fortunate through a lot of hard work and some good breaks here and there, good play when it mattered, to have the ball rolling on the PGA tour, right? I mean, I don't, had I not made it this far at this point? I don't know if I'd still be doing it. That was going to be one of my next questions was at any point during those first three years,

was it ever, hey, maybe golf's not for me? Yes, late the third year. I went to first age of Q school in St. George, Utah, which is, it actually was a lovely place. Which, yeah, I mean, I had not, I knew nothing of St. George, Utah. Great golf course, too. And I remember having a brief thought in the practice rounds, up. I mean, you're zero money, if not negative money at this point. And thinking like, if I don't get through this, how am I going to go back to people and say, basically,

give me more money to keep playing golf when I have no results really to show for it? And did I have a couple? Yes. And mini tour events, maybe a top 10 here and there, maybe eight or so rounds consecutively in the 60s. But if it's 68 or nine, you know, eight times in a row, that's two events that's you're probably not finishing any unless you shoot 65 a couple times you're probably not even cracking the top 20 so that was kind of the boat i was in show up to utah have these brief thoughts about it and i really i remember being there in the practice rounds not even really thinking that i had my best stuff which is super fun at cue school or really fun any week but especially shitty there um played three really really solid rounds was one inside the number

and then all morning that last day was like, okay, if I don't, like this is it right here. This will show me whether or not this is for me. And I wasn't thinking of quitting the game, but at this point, I was like, okay, this was probably October, maybe early October, first stage. I don't even remember. Fortunately, I haven't had to go to Q school in a while. If I don't, if I'm not successful today here and now, like I'm thinking Uber driver for money, like, I mean, I need, I need to.

start being not negative money. Like I need something to come in here that maybe I can support myself for six months and then have some results and then have somebody sign on and do it. I went out and shot 63 and cruise through no problem. And at that point I was like if I doubt there's any pressure harder than what I just and I did it so I put it all on myself. I doubt there's any pressure harder than what I just did. And the result that I just showed myself should carry me for years to come. and should potentially help in trying to accrue more finances to keep chasing this wild dream that I have. I went to second stage and probably finished third from last or something like that,

so it didn't really pan out that year. But I knew that under the gun, what I just did will help me. I had a few people sign on to help me pay. I mean, honestly, it was probably going to get me through three events in Latin America. and I still needed to go to Q school. This was 2017 was the first stage in Utah, fail at second stage, go early 2018 down to Florida.

I needed to go to Latin America Q school. But I literally said it aloud, and I wrote it on a Post-it note. I am going to win the money list on the 2018 PGA Tour Latin America. Two posted notes. One on the mirror as I'm brushing my teeth, and I've never been a like rah-rah,

you know, let's do this. But I wrote it, I kept it there, and then one as I walked out of my bedroom door. And sure enough, I got status through the Latin America Q school that January and then fast forward to, I think it was early December.

I made a six foot on 18 to win the money list by $64. And then it was off and running, right? Like it was, and that year, I had a few people sign on early and I had a few people sign on as I had some good results. But I vividly remember the amount of money that I had, if you do all the math,

I'm no good at math, but I could kind of guess that I would probably be able to play five to six events on that tour, which you can't do, right? Like you can't, you could win two of those and it's not going to be good enough to get, you know, to further any status.

I finished third in the second event, which was like 10 grand was huge. Now I, sadly, I laugh at 10 grand now. It's amazing how fast it. Things change, it's amazing how fast it changes, really, truly. And then I finished second. two events after that, maybe the fourth event.

And it was like, okay, now we're good. Now, this pile of money that I've come to, I can for sure get myself through most of the fall. It's split up between the spring and the fall. And then I had a few more people sign on this summer. I had some good mini tour events that summer. And it was off and running. I just kept making more money and more money and more money.

I won one. The last four events, I went first, third, second, fourth. I like that you say the pile of money. Oh, yeah. Just keep on. Like it's all cash. Like, Grudge, make up. None of it.

Just cash every time. Swimming in it. That's the hardest thing, like, when you're chasing it is having some breathing room, not knowing, like, if I have a bad stretcher, I'm out of money, I got to go back to the well. When you were thinking about, you know, in 2017 in Utah, like, if I don't play well today, maybe I got to think about doing something else. Was it more so, hey, I don't want to have to go raise more money to subsidize myself or was like, I don't think I want to play golf. It was not, I don't want to play golf. It was like, how can I go to these people and say that? Keep going to the world.

Yeah, don't turn the water off. Keep feeding, just keep donating basically money to me. And, you know, fortunately, I had some good results shortly thereafter that it kind of opened up that spigot a little bit more. And they kept coming. They kept coming. Now, fortunately, they come quite often. Yeah, you got a chance to make a lot of money every single week. But I want to know, because I thought when you got your PGA tour card in the last event at Portland on the Corn Ferry Proof. You finished fifth on the season long point list.

But I thought when they announced your name that you got your PGA tour card, you came on to the green. It was one of the coolest celebrations. First of all, what was that feeling like? and what was the party like that night? Well, the party was pretty much all week because when you're in Portland in fifth, it is quite lovely. And I missed the cut on Friday,

and we went into the city and just had great lunches, drinks, great dinners. My mom and dad, I think my brother was there, my girlfriend was there. It was a lovely week. Portland being no stress is lovely. It was awesome.

And I certainly did not. not plan. I thought I would be, all right, you know, it was, it was all alphabetical. So I was maybe the 10th person to go being last name of age. I thought it was going to be, I was just going to walk up there like, yeah, of course, this is what I was going to do all year long. I had great results all year. Yeah, this is what I was supposed to do. Just walk up there, shake some hands, get your card. And I just basically freaked out. Like I started clapping and started yelling. And I wouldn't say that my applause was louder, but certainly, you know, the guys that come before me, It felt like people were louder.

I'm sure they weren't. They were probably quieter. But no, I just started screaming and yelling. And I was, that was one of the only times I remember in my life that I was pretty close to being in tears. I remember shaking Alex Baldwin the, I think they call her the president of the then web.com now cornfairy tour. And no, it would have been, and then Gary, it was already the corn fairy tour, the corn fairy CEO. And I remember in that moment, they said, congratulations. And I like was choppy getting the thank you out.

out to them. It was, you know, thanks. You're like, damn near in tears. No, that was, it was a great week altogether. It was really nice to be there without having to sweat it out. Well, I think all of our female, our female listeners are in tears knowing that you have a girlfriend now. Wow. Yeah, all, all four hours. Sorry to break. Sorry to break. Sorry to. Sorry about that. You get your car, and I was looking at some stuff that you had going into your rookie year and you had a list of goals. And one of them was basically, and I'm paraphrasing here, like, don't forget that you belong here. Don't forget that you've earned this and this is your spot. How do you think you did in the first?

Because that's the thing that we talked to with a ton of rookies. They have these huge amateur careers. Like get on the corned ferry, go right to the tour, and then they all of a sudden freeze up and don't play well. How do you think you did in your first year feeling like, I've earned my spot here. I belong here with these guys instead of being like Starstruck. I would have said if 10 was great,

like acted like I belonged the whole time, maybe a 7, which I thought was pretty good. I do believe that if you're on the, if you've gotten to the point where you can get a T-time, I'm on the PGA tour, you can win on the PGA tour. And there are guys that are on the mini tours, developmental tours, PJA Tour, Canada, Corn Fairy Tour that are absolutely good enough to win on the PGA Tour. They just, I don't know whether it's not.

They don't act like it. They haven't come to the like, okay, no, I'm going to get there. When I get there, I belong. And I certainly, early in the year, it basically felt like we were playing corned fair events, no disrespect to the events that we were playing in. They're big events, huge events, great PGA tour events. But it didn't really feel like the PGA tour season started, one until either Tiger played or until we were playing in front of more than just our mom and dad

and maybe a couple friends that came to the event. So I think that was a nice, you get great start in the fall. I definitely had, I guess it would have been this summer, yeah, a four or five week stretch where I didn't really have a whole lot. I was not very good. I was kind of not hitting it as well as I'd like to. Just making bad scores from good spots. And then when you have good numbers, hitting bad shots.

So just not playing good golf. But I also thought that I spent about four or five weeks feeling small, right? Like I started getting bigger events. I remember Memorial at Mearfield Village being there the week before. And I'd played like crap the week before. So that didn't make it any easier. And then they firm up the greens. And it just got infinitely more difficult.

but I remember being there and finishing that week, missing the caught on Friday, and feeling like, dude, you haven't been acting like yourself. Like Rory's around now. Tigers here every now and again. Justin Thomas,

John Rum, and are those guys better than me? Probably so. Can I beat them? Absolutely. Like, walk up here and act like you're going to beat them. I mean,

I'm going to work my way to get to that level anyway. They're already there, but there's no reason why I can't compete with them week in and week out. And so I felt like I was playing small, and this was right around the time of the playoffs. And I kind of had a bit of an attitude switch, I guess, like, dude, just go out and beat people. I mean, that's what I do. It's not going to always be the flashiest thing in the world.

It's not, you wouldn't stand behind me on a range and just want to watch me because I'm hitting these unbelievable shots. Just go out there and beat people. Move the ball where it's supposed to go, make good scores on as many holes as possible, and beat people. They give us four days to do it. Like it's, you're going to have, I mean, it's a lot of shots. That's a lot of holes. If you don't screw up a few times, you're going to be right there. You hit a couple of wedges close, bury the par fives.

For me, par the par threes and hole a couple of puts. Like, I'm going to be right there. And I had a good week in Boston to advance to Olympia Fields in Chicago and then just didn't really have it in Chicago. And I actually had it early. Probably hit the worst golf shot that anybody's ever hit on the PGA tour on Friday. Nah, no chance. No, no, no. This one was probably worse.

Well, before we get to that, because I do want to hear about that, but I don't know if you realize, like, it's not normal how you think. Sure. I mean, you have more self-confidence than a lot of people I've ever seen. Where does that come from? That's a great question. You're a great golfer. Sure.

But, like, no, it means, well, yeah, how looks, obviously. It kind of goes back to, like, you know, I was second, third, fourth, fifth best at times in college. but I knew that I was capable of it. I don't know where it's come from, but I know that when I'm, one, to start, when I'm around the cut line, I always felt like obviously that is heightened pressure. There's consequences for not hitting good shots

or hitting bad shots. I felt like I always performed well then. I was tired of being around the cut line, and I need to be better more consistently to not get there that often this coming year. Same thing. When I had a chance to win or was in contention or was in 10th, I turned those weeks into a fifth place finish or I haven't won yet, but I've, I haven't felt like when I've had a chance to win that I've done anything wrong, I've just gotten beaten. And I've always felt, I've always viewed myself in that way that when it gets to, when the gun's really going off, when it really truly matters, I felt like I was my best performing self. I have no idea where that comes from.

And really for, I mean, damn near four years of college and four years as a professional, it shouldn't have really been there anyway. Like I didn't have results to think or act or view myself in this way, but I just kept doing it and knew that if I want to just keep getting a little bit better each day, I know it's so cliche and, you know, get better each day, get better each day. But truly, if you do that over and over and over, and then think of yourself in the highest regard. It's next to impossible with a good break here and there.

It's next to impossible not to have great weeks more often than not. Well, you've got to have a little bit of talent. Well, true. I feel like you're born with that or you're not. Like some people are glass half full. Some people are not. We know people on both sides of that. You know what I mean?

I don't even have a glass. My glass is a little full. Yeah. No, but it's everyone that I've reached out to talk to you, whether it be Kelly Kraft, former FECMA. SMU Mustang. Josh Gregory, Jason,

don't know, your coaches, your brother, Alex Higgs who Catties for you, every single one of them says he has more self-belief than anyone

I've ever been around. Yeah. And I mean, for a guy like Josh Gregory, who's coached, I mean, Patrick Reed, he's coached some guys

that have some, I feel like. Sure. Yeah. But it's a great quality. I mean, I love you. I love you for me.

I wish I love it. And I want to, I would like it to, and I feel like it has, I'd like it to come out softly, quietly, not,

you know, over the top. But I mean, no, do the best players in the world have this as well? And I guess that's probably where it comes from. Like being around these guys more often and then, you know, a few years ago, knowing that clearly they believe in themselves more. Like, can we all hit the cut seven iron to a back right flag over a bunker? Yes. Who amongst us believes and knows that they're going to do it, the best in the world? So either work your way to that frame of mind, but while you're working to that, don't ever think that you can't pull it off, right?

Like, don't bail out left. Like the best in the world are not, and then sometimes bailing out left is fine and you just shake it off and go get it up and down because the best in the world do that too. But think that you can pull every shot off, then decide whether or not you want to or whether or not it's the time to.

I wish I could give you a better answer as to why I'm like that. I really have no clue why. And for most of my golfing life, competitive golfing life, like, you know, the heightened college and amateur golf and now professional golf, for a while there, I shouldn't have been like that. But I just was. And I knew that in doing that and staying like that, kind of the eternal optimism, that I gave myself a better chance to be successful anyway. So that was, it was a non-negotiable. That was the way I was going to be.

And I'm not that way every week. there was a stretch this summer where I felt small, like I couldn't hit any shots. I wasn't going to play good rounds. I wasn't going to shoot good scores. And then all it took was just a conversation with my coach and my brother, my caddy is like, are you really, are you being your optimistic self? And it's like, no. So I'm just going to do that now. And then I started having good weeks again. I mean, it's, it is that simple. I would like to create it more and more. I mean, Napa, I remember playing a practice round this year, Napa on Tuesday. And I hadn't, I really hadn't hit a good shot in the nine-hole practice round I had played on Tuesday, and I'm not really ever

that worried about it, Tuesday or Wednesday or Monday, for that matter, if I get there early enough and choose to not get out of bed and, you know, go practice, actually, on a Monday. But I remember thinking Tuesday on, like, the eighth hole of the nine holes we were playing, I'm going to win this golf tournament. Whatever, whatever's going to, I'm going to hit the ball wherever I have to, to win this tournament. Now, I felt like I won it, for sure. I got second. I mean, they didn't give me all the money, the master exemption or the trophy, but I felt like what I did was, winning that tournament. I think that's an innate thing

that some people have and some people don't. You think that way and there's other people who are really super talented, same talent level as you and they think an opposite way. I think that's just a blessing that some people have. I've seen both sides of it. Fortunately for me, it happens more often than not

that I am like that, but I've seen guys with tons of talent who are maybe more talented than I am, but I know that if you give me 25, 30 tournaments a year, I'm going to beat them because I'm just going to think that I'm better and I'm going to think, more of myself longer throughout a year that you don't stand a chance against me over over a year a season that many tournaments yeah that's everything i've watched about you you've always mentioned

that like if you give me 25 tries yeah i'm gonna i'm gonna play well i'm gonna do my job i need to do yeah well one guy that obviously thinks he's pretty good at it tiger woods sure the greatest of all time you had a very interesting moment with him at san diego and i would love for you to share that yeah so as i said the tory pines everybody had warned me that that's like your first, it'll feel like your first real PJ Tor event. No disrespect to any event that I played before that. Because they were all wonderful, wonderfully run great events. Politician.

Yeah, sure. You do have a future now. Maybe. We'll get to that too. Yeah, maybe. So, tea times come out. I'm out on the golf course hitting it like shit. Like throwing clubs on the ground, so irritated with where the ball's going.

Mike, my caddy, before my brother was with me. And Corey, my coach, was there as well. And, like, no one was really even talking to me. I was miserable what I'd be around. And I get the tea times Tuesday. You know, they text your phone. And then Corey, I think it was like 15, so like six. I do not play 18 holes ever Monday, Tuesday or Wednesday.

So we're playing nine holes. So it was like the sixth hole. He goes, do you see who's in front of you? No, I'm not. I don't, they send me my tea time. I don't need to look up on the app or something to see like who's before or after me. and I am behind Tiger for two days. And really, I mean, it took some work on the range.

But really, honestly, it was like, okay, I'll be fine this week. Yeah. I'm going to, I'm not showing off in front of Tiger, but if he ever looks up, looks behind, which I'm sure he did. Yeah. Is that Harry? But if he ever looks back there, I'm going to be the one that's close to the hole. I'm going to be the one that's making a bunch of birdies.

I finished ninth that week. That week I really felt like I could have easily won. which was amazing. If I hold a couple more puts on Sunday, I would have been there. Leashman ran away with it, but I think I would have made it interesting if I hold a couple putts.

But no, so I remember Thursday, we're playing the North Course, and I started on 10. I'm on 7 green, 8 is a par 3 up above us, and Tiger's up there, and it's kind of like you hit on to 7 green, and then we kind of just back and forth. One put, they go.

One put, they go. And I'd hit it the closest on that hole. Of course. Good shot. Yeah. Again, showing off for Tiger. In case he, there's a weight up there. In case you look back, I'm the one close.

Harry's tight again. I missed the pot and made par. But I remember looking up waiting for Tiger to hit, I mean, as all of us were. And there's no one from the green to the T. There's no one there because you couldn't see anything. And the fog, like, haze, whatever it is there, Marine layer, whatever they call it. Yeah, sure. Rolls in.

And I'm like, oh my God, this is incredible. Tiger is going through his pre-shot routine. There's a marine layer. You can't see the green from where we were. We were lower. And he looked mythic, right? Like it was like, this is so cool. If I could pull my phone out, and I don't have it on me, it's in my bag.

Like this is, you would take a picture of this. This looks so sweet. And he gets up there and snap hooks him in the bunker. And I like, you just kind of chuckled. Be like, yeah, he's human too. So that was the first encounter. I remember walking out Saturday morning out of the, the locker room. I walked out of the locker room

out of this door and I'm kind of turning right down the stairs. Tiger came out of some area. I hadn't seen him all week. He's got a different locker room. And rightfully so. He comes out of some different area and we're walking down the steps and it's literally step for step. We're on the same step the whole time. We make it

like, there's probably 20 steps. We make it five or six steps down. I'm like, dude, you got to say something. And he's wearing the metal spikes and it's a little hazy and marine layer and all this stuff. It's a little damp. walking down the steps. And I'm just like, okay, I guess this is what I'm going with.

Hey, you know, turn it. Tiger, you ever worried about slipping in those, the metal spikes? And he just looks at me and goes, no, you get used to it after a while. And then at that point, it was just like, okay, I'm going to slow up. And I'm just going to let him go to the putting green first. And, you know, I went out and I beat him that day. Had a great day Saturday, too. But I feel like I botched my first tiger interaction.

This is what I'm going with. I'm going to go with the spikes. I had to say something. It's like the hot chicken high school walking out. Like, all right, say something. Just say something. If it sticks, great. What the fuck did I just say?

If it sticks, awesome. If it doesn't, and I don't think it's stuck, I wouldn't pretend that Tiger knows who I am or will ever know who I am. Maybe he was a whole week. Thank you for volunteering. Yeah. Yeah. No, like literally, I think it was you guys that talked like, yeah. I mean, if he comes up to you, if I'm playing with Tiger at one point, I might walk onto the T

and he might think I'm the standard bear, which I love that. Like, I mean, he's one, I mean, maybe he would say it to me, and it would be a laugh. It would be hilarious. I would love that. But it would flip, and it would be like, okay, one, I'm freaking out, and I'll freak out all day because I'm playing with Tiger. But if I even get a whiff of that, that's when I really perform my best. If he were to say that out loud to me, I'm either going to go out there and shoot 85 and just bury myself in a hole, or I am going to show off in front of all of you. And if I were to think that I would be, you know, thought of in that, in that like or he were to say that to me, oh, boy, I love my chances.

Well, it's never going to happen. I mean, Tiger's a loyal listener. Yeah, he's big. He calls in. The shirt. Yeah, it's never. I would imagine he will hear this and then he'll come up to me. Oh, yeah.

No, I'm not going to slip down, you know. I was probably more likely to slip down the stairs because I was so panicked than he was. I get it. Any more, any more encounters with Tiger since then? Is that it? No. I've had, made him voyage. I remember walking up.

I was going to walk up while he was putting and Joey, his caddy was there, who's a New York Giants fan. I'm a Philadelphia Eagles fan. And I have Philadelphia Eagle Tees. And I was going to walk up and hand them with it. They were playing the Giants that week. I was going to walk up and hand them Joey the T's and hopefully kind of get like, I'm sure Tiger would have said nothing.

He was preparing for his round. Probably like, who the hell is this guy giving my caddy T's? And Tiger walked off as I'm walking up. But I still gave Joey the T's. I'm just... I bet he used them. I doubt they made it in the bag. I'd like to think that Tiger started that day with a filled-up Eagle Tee on the first team.

I'm sure he did. Probably striped it, too. He probably did. This one's from Harry. This one's from Harry. Speaking on, let's stay on good stories right now since that's a great one. I want to go back.

Let's go to the SMU days. And I think you told us this on the radio show. This is a great story. It's your debut event as a freshman at SMU. You never played before. You're on a plane. I think you're going to Minnesota. Minnesota.

And then there's a little situation. that takes place. Give us the initiation for Harry Higgs. Yeah, so about two weeks before we, or maybe a week, regardless, we finished qualifying, I've qualified, and I played great. I mean, I showed up as the cocky 18-year-old freshman, like all of you guys suck. I'm going to show off for all of you guys. And I had a great qualifying, and then we played, I think it's Pine Dunes. Did you ever go to that place in Athens, Texas? And I loved it, too. And Kelly Crafts. who was a senior on the team.

I think he shot like 64, 63 to beat me by a shot over like eight rounds of qualifying. I felt like I was hot shit. I'm going to come in. I'm going to win qualifying. You're going to have to kiss the ring. Like, this is the new normal now. Big beautiful is the new normal. And I think I shot like 72.

I think I might have had a six or seven shot lead, shot 72 and Kelly, let's call it seven shots. And so Kelly shot 64 and beat me. But after the qualifying, we, I was. starting to hear that when a freshman travels first for, or I guess anyone travels for their first trip, they have to sing a song on the airplane. Like you have to get up over the intercom, PA, whatever they call it, system on an airplane and sing a portion of a song. It doesn't have to be the whole song, just you got to do about 20, 30 seconds of a song. So I'm in full panic now.

Like the cocky 18-year-old has left the building and it's like, oh my God, am I really going to have to sing on an airplane? This is unbelievable. So I heard that for about a week And they're, you know, saying This is the song I sang. This is a song. James Kwan said he just sung Happy Birthday. Like,

I don't know why that didn't clue me into it. But I had not heard a lot about it a couple days before the trip. And then we're in the airport. I'm like, all these guys have forgotten about this. This is awesome. I don't have to sing on this plane. Sure enough, before we board, this is back in the iPod days.

Before we board, they're like, Harry, what are you going to sing? What are you going to sing, Harry? Like, oh shit, they've remembered. So I bust out my iPod, headphones and all, and I'm just going, just hitting the fast forward button to the next song. Like, what one of these songs would I possibly be able to do 20 or 30 seconds of on an airplane? And I come to Ain't No Mountain High enough, which I don't know. I mean, this was 2010.

Lord knows why this was even on my iPod. Give us a little pre. Because it's a classic. Give it. It's an absolute classic, of course. I know. I need to hear it. Ain't no mountain.

Ain't no valley low. Ain't no river wide enough, baby. There it is. Yeah. And then I did like maybe one more verse. You were scared to do that? Well, yes. And so Aaron Stewart was traveling this week as well,

which didn't make my job any easier. We board the plane. How qualified must have been pretty easy. It was probably easier than I thought. But again, I thought I was hot shit that I've qualified. So Aaron walks on the plane first, and he's just his. normal charming self to all the flight attendants oh yeah he tells the story you know

freshmen's got to sing sure we'd love oh yeah we love that that's awesome to our flight to Minnesota and like for an hour and a half nothing no one's come up she said like we'll come to you and we'll at the best time to do this we'll just have you come up and you can do it and great we're very much looking forward to this hour and a half no one said anything no one's nothing and sure enough they didn't come to me she comes over the PA system ladies and gentlemen we've got the SMU men's golf team traveling with us today and as is custom, the freshman on the team who's traveling for the first time has to sing a song to us. And I'm just like, oh, sweet mother. Here we go. I got to do this. So I walk up there and I remember

grabbing it and you got to like hit the little button. I'm like shaking. Am I really going to do this? Like, is this really going to happen? I was like, yeah, screw it. And I hit the button and sang 20, 30 seconds of the song and I got sat down in my seat. We all kind of sit and togetherish, maybe window and aisle, and I saw it on every one of those dumbass faces of theirs that none of them ever had to sing before. But you killed it. Oh, I killed it. And then sure enough, we flew there at night.

Sure enough, the next morning, John Peterson, who's buddies with Kelly, LSU was there, and John just serenades me on the putting green with Ain't No Mountain High enough. So, like, it was great. Team morale was high that I actually was dumb enough to do this. And I tried for every year, so the next three years to try to get the incoming freshman or any new guy traveling to do it and no one no one ever did it and I guarantee you no one's done it since and I guarantee you no one I never did it again yeah there you go I never heard of file I was the only one dumb enough and hardheaded enough to actually pull it off I was told by

Kelly that you went for about two minutes and wouldn't get off the damn microphone by the end of it that is I wish it was true that is a lie I think I might have might have gone I felt like an hour I might have gone 20 seconds that's still a lot yeah on the and I remember when when I finished I said Ladies and gentlemen, I'm sorry that I had to just do that. And then hung up and laughed. And then flight attendant slitter phone number in your pocket. The rest is history. You know, that hot shit 18-year-old.

No, exactly. But I want to go back to Tiger Woods for a second because he's kind of the guy that changed the game. Yeah. He's the power game, you know, getting in the gym, which I don't like. I'm not sure how you feel about it. Shockingly, I mean, I'll admit to it.

I feel like it might damage my brand that I just roll off the couch and play. No, I mean, I'm not in there as early as Tiger, but I do sweat. I've gotten some flack from people, and I love to, I love to scroll through comments on anything that I've ever done. I think I'm just kind of sick in the head. Fortunately, very, you know, self-centered and assured in my beliefs that I'm great no matter what. But I have gotten comments, you know, about taking naps and all this. You know, you're terrible for the game. This is atrocious.

You know, we've worked so hard to be athletes. What those people commenting don't understand is that I was up at 5 o'clock. full sweat working my butt off before I even got to the golf course. I get to the golf course early. I warm up. I go play my round. And yeah, on those early days when I'm up at five and finished it two,

you're damn right. I'm going to go take a nap. Like, I'm going to go rest. I mean, that's what we're going to. I'm trying to perform the next day as well. So yes,

I do, I do work out. I did work out even yesterday. I did a little too much. I was a little sore today. So that was part of the reason why I was amazed that I actually hit the ball well. Yeah, you played great. You looked great.

But that's one thing I was going to ask because I feel like a lot of the bigger guys, I mean, myself, I mean, you look at guys like Colin Montgomery, Carl Peterson, they get kind of criticized for their weight and everything and say, you know what, you can't compete with Tiger Woods if you don't get in shape. And we've had guys, like Colin Montgomery, Carl Peterson,

lose a bunch of weight and their game goes to shit. Has that ever been anything that's ever crossed your mind at all? Do I need to lose weight? Probably so. Not for not to be able to move any better. I move just fine. I swing the club fast enough. I hit the ball far enough.

It's none of that. Now, will five, six years, if I carry all this around for that long and play 25, you know, some odd tournaments, will I maybe get burned out a little sooner? Maybe so. I've never had any injuries. Knock on wood, thank God.

And I don't envision myself ever getting hurt because I can't swing it fast enough or move in the way that these guys move to hurt myself. You're just walking. Yeah, I mean, all we do is walking. I mean, I'll be the one that trips out of a ball. bunker and you know hurts his ankle or something stupid like that but i'll probably just tape it up and play on it like it's not that big a deal or rub a little dirt on it or maybe doing the bull dance

off the 17th tee and scott's doubt it's amazing what you do when people start chanting your name yeah um but no i i think i could do a little less i could i'm never going to not have a nightcap you know a few nights a week and sometimes that nightcap turns into i rarely ever finish the second drink i make i'll give i'll give the listeners a little inside scoop I make my drink strong. I sip on them. And rarely if I make a second one, I get about three quarters of the way done with it, sometimes half. Rarely do I finish the second drink.

So I feel like I'm not drinking and carrying on too much, nothing like that. And I like to do it at home. I don't really care to go out and do all of it. But could I maybe have a few less cheeseburgers while I'm on the road? Yes. I'm really good at breakfast and lunch. I keep those nice and clean. But sometimes after a hard day, like, yeah, I want to order a cheeseburger and french fries.

Absolutely. So I just do it. And if it ain't broke, don't fix it. You just had a pretty damn good year. I wouldn't go mess with the formula. Bryson's putting on weight. Exactly. Yeah, dude. I think y'all are ahead of the curve.

Yeah. Maybe you're the revolutionaries. I have thought, and I'm surprised no one's pointed out that like if I actually were to work out even harder and maybe watch what I eat a little bit more, I'm basically Bryson just without all the the muscles. Good point. And brains. Good point.

Yeah. I'm not nearly as smart as he is. No. Sometimes he thinks he's smart. than he actually is, but he definitely is smarter than me. Don't sell yourself short. You played college golf with him. Has he always been this kind of way?

Yeah. And he's so good. I mean, he's so good anyway. He's so super talented. But he believes so much in what he's doing that, and he loves, like he just loves to prove people wrong, right? Like everybody doubts the single length of this,

putting on weight and hitting nine miles. So he's just going to prove people wrong. He doesn't really, it fuels him when people doubt what he's doing or what his theories on. the game. So the more you doubt him, the better he's going to be. Yeah. It's, it's really impressive. Now he also puts in the work to make it work. He works harder than anybody I've ever said. He catches so much shit, but I don't respect the way that he has conviction about whatever

he believes in. He's like, by God, I'm going to prove, I'm going to do it. And I'm going to prove everybody around here. And it just showed up and it showed up quickly. That's why he's so good. Because he, no matter what, whatever he's doing or trying, you know, and sometimes it's week to week. I feel like with him, sometimes it's day to day. He's trying something new, but he believes so much in it. And he is so talented that he's going to be great. We got him to use a normal length lob wedge for about two weeks at SMU his freshman year, especially a kid from California moving to Dallas, Permuda turf. It gets a little harder to chip. And it's harder to chip. I don't necessarily believe in what he does, but yeah, I mean, if all of my clubs were the same length,

absolutely my seven iron looks like it's easier to hit than my four like it makes some sense the wedges where I kind of think you know maybe they should be you know not as long and not as upright that's just my belief I feel like a lot of people would second that but we did we got him to use a normal length lob wedge for about two weeks and then he was like and he was chipping it much better but he was like you know what I'm going to stick with my way and I'm going to become good with this length club made this way for me I'm going to become a great great great chipper. And the reason he became a great chipper was because he was out there for eight, ten hours a day, chipping. Like, he just believes in his way of doing it and he's going

to prove people wrong through hard work. And it's working. Yeah, it's hard to argue with the results. I don't know about that. I want to go to something that you just said because you said, I don't want to damage my brand here and talk about working out and things like that because you obviously have, you become quickly, very quickly, one of the biggest fan favorites out there. I know it's been different because there aren't any fans on the PJ tour, but you said you read Twitter and you read all the comments and things like that. You've become. that how when did you become aware that like oh my god like people seem to really really be liking what i'm doing scottesdale for sure last or i guess it was all still this year um now people aren't

following you that week right they you they hit you on the holes where all the people are gathered but it well i mean i somehow birdied 16 on friday and just like everybody was chanting my name and all this stuff like that was really cool that was a that was a big week i guess for my quote-unquote brand i don't think i don't think i don't think i'll ever have a brand um You say that attitude. You say that kind of tongue and cheek as you're kind of working. No, you legitimately do. Like you have an aura about you that people gravitate towards.

Sure. I mean, I look, I probably look like them. I probably look like the people that are outside the ropes, you know, on their 10th beer at 2 p.m. Like, I look like you, but I'm the one inside the ropes, you know, excelling, hitting unbelievable golf shots. Like, I think that resonates with people in a weird way. It's still weird to think of it and discuss, like, people. have taken a liking to me. And it has been hard to tell because we haven't had fans.

And my brother and I go back and forth. He's dead set that when we start back up, whenever normal can be normal again, that I'm going to have, I don't think it'll ever be thousands of people, but I'm going to have potentially hundreds of people just coming to watch me play off, which I never thought that that would ever be possible. He is of the thought that that is going to be the case, that people are going to come watch me play golf. People don't really watch, and they're not going to really ever watch me Thursday or Friday. But maybe over the weekend, you know, when more people are around, they will

actually be, hey, let's go follow Harry's group, which would be awesome. I love playing in front of people. I'm of the thought that it's still going to be my mom and dad, and then maybe if friends are coming out that week, maybe they're going to be there. That's it. Like, I don't think there's going to be people watching me unless I'm around the lead Saturday or Sunday. But we'll see who's, we've got a little side action. We're going to see who's, we're going to see who's right. I don't think he's far off. I think you got a name that's when you take away the top, you know, 10, 15, all these guys like that are the big names in golf when you go down that list a little bit further. Like yours and yours is a name that the average casual golf fan will recognize like,

oh yeah, that's the guy. Let's go watch him. I know him. I've seen him on Twitter. I heard his podcast or whatever that you are. Yeah, he's big beautiful. I can tell you that. And tell him to piss off. And my groups are going to probably wind up being more fun. I mean, most days, I'll probably talk with you. I'll probably bullshit with you. If I hear something funny, I'll laugh. I mean, I can't wait for the day when I'm on a tee about to hit a shot and somebody's phone rings. I'm going to go answer it.

Like, hey, man, give me that. I'm going to let them know. Can you please call this guy back at a later time? He's interrupting me at work here. Yeah, I'm about ready to hit seven. Hey, I'm going to hit this high cut off his bunker here. Can you just give me a second year? I'm about that the best seven

I've ever heard of. Your guy will hang back and give you a call back in a minute or two. This can wait. Well, I'll tell you a group you didn't answer your cell phone in and that was back in Dallas a few years ago.

You got the honor of playing with the great George W. Bush out at Preston Trail. First off, I've met the guy. Sure. Coolest men on the planet. Love talking about. How did that day come about

and what was it like? So it wasn't, we didn't play a full round. We were out there at Preston Trail. Well, yeah. We were out there at Preston Trail in the afternoon. so I'm sure it was his second go-around, if not maybe even more. But we got to 15.

I played the last four holes with him. We got to 15T, and he was coming up behind us. And you just let the man go. Yeah, of course. No one goes faster. And he served, right? I mean, no one goes faster. He plays through, damn near every group through 18 holes.

He's playing through somebody, as he should. We were kind of stacked up. There were a few, too many groups. And I think he knew the guy that was hosting us. and I think that they briefly spoke and said it was me, my brother, and another kid that played at SMU, and they kind of thought, okay, well, these guys are, you know, they're decent of golf, right?

Like maybe I can just join them. We'll just play the last couple holes because I can't really hop through all these people in the next four holes. So we did. We played four holes. It was great. I doubt he would remember me, nor should he. But it was great.

I mean, he is, he's hilarious. Like he can give the needle. might be the owner of the needle. Like he can, I remember hitting a shot on 17. I, like, pulled a wedge 25 feet. And he's like, are you really playing golf at SMU at a high level with that kind of shot, you know? And he's good. He might not be, actually, he's good.

Is he good enough to say that to someone like me? No. But can he say that because of who he is? Absolutely. And I loved it, right? Like, it was, it was a great, it was a great four holes. It was not what I was expecting that day at all, but it was an awesome way to finish. Who wins a golf match?

The Bush family or the Perot family? Oh, I think that match is one. I think that match is one on the first tee. Yeah. I would give a slight edge to the Bush family. Why so? Because I think the Peros will bail and wind up giving him too many strokes being very kind. So the negotiating skills of the Perot family would say don't.

match is one and lost on the first tee. I should have saved that for you. Interesting. Interesting. So it would be out negotiated on T1. Yeah. The Bush is without. Wow.

So who would have thought the Peros was. Those pros are out. It's a shocker. Yeah. Wow. They've been known for a lot of things. Hill Perot has not been out negotiated many times in his life. But I think in that regard, he would be.

That's a good point. I want to ask you this, because you mentioned earlier, like, you were playing a memorial. Sure. When you weren't feeling your best and you were throwing, you said you're slamming clubs and things like that, whenever we see you on TV and the, the broadcasters and things like that say it. Like you seem like you're just happy go lucky. Everything's great.

You're smiling. You look like you're having a great time out there. Is there any dark side of you that's got the freak out, lose my shit, break a club type of gene? Is that in there anywhere? It is. I'm probably fortunate. I think I've been caught saying the F word maybe five or six times on television now. I'll take the over.

You're in good company. Caught. You're in good company. I've heard it more. Yeah. You're Justin Thomas are in a battle. Yeah. And sure, I'd love to be in a battle with him.

in just about anything. That's good point. There is a dark side. I do not intentionally have this happy go lucky. It's just kind of what, that's kind of what, if I am doing that, I'm usually performing my best. Internally, it's never as happy go lucky

and sunshines and rainbows as anybody would tell you when you would, the same, like you're smiling and laughing, you've hit a great shot, but you know that you've got to continue to execute that shot and then another 12, 15 times that day. And that can be,

stressful at times. I just perform my best when I'm like that, and I need to be more like that, especially the last few events of the fall. I got, I got like too quiet, and I'm not, I'm loud when I talk, but I'm not that talkative in a group. I mean, I am, in between shots, we'll talk, but I need to be more just smiley and silly and then just get over the ball, focus, hit your shot, and go. Sea Island this year on Friday, I threw a lob wedge in the water. I was told from your daddy and accidentally slipped out of your hand. It was an accident, but boy, was I going to slam it really hard.

It was, I had made a mess of the hole already. I had a poor chip out and I had a lob wedge. And I was in the sand, like the waste area. And I was just going to throw it right in front of me and just kind of let go. And I was, I mean, it was hundreds of mile an hour on this toss. And I let go a little too early. and it just flew in the water and we walked up. I chipped in that hole with my 56.

See? Golf pride doesn't make them like they used to. Leacherino said you don't need a 60, man. I need a 60. Is that a hard thing on tour? Because I was always the guy like we played today, right? I love to yuck it out. I'm always the guy that played my best when I was yakking and playing.

When I play with buddies. You play your best and your worst when you're yacken. Well, there's some other things that go into me playing my worst. But yeah, I always used to love to play with guys that would also banter with me and talking in between and not just like laser focus. Is that hard on the PJ tour being that there aren't that many guys? It'll do that. Yeah, it is.

It's hard. It's easier when you're grouped with friends or you group with like-minded individuals, right, that are going to have fun and are going to laugh and tell jokes and joke about good shots, great shots, anything like that. I have found a couple guys that I've played with make it easier. And then most of the time, like, and rightfully so, it's a, it's big business for these guys. Like they're out there to perform, do their job, you know, address any issues after the round, and then go rest up, right?

Maybe go take a nap. So no, it is difficult. I need to be a little better at it. I need for it to come out more often that I am going to, it's really not even laughing and joking, but just like just something as simple. It's just smile. Like it's pretty fun.

I remember at Colonial, there's the first event back. And I remember it's a place having gone to SMU that I went to the colonial event three or four times just watching. And now I'm walking in the fairways playing. It was like on Saturday. And I remember I think I birdied like the first three holes. And I'm on four, like, just taking it all in.

Like, this is sweet. I mean, this is really, really cool. I pared four, which is a hard hole, and then I hit it so far right. I mean, it might have been right of the river. And I think I might have shot, I think I was 300 through three and shot maybe even or won over. So that went away quick, like that appreciation of this is really cool. Like, this is something that I've watched.

This is something that I've always wanted to do. And now I get to be out here doing it. That stuff goes away when you don't have great results, right? Like you kind of want to hide and you want to not, you don't want people to see these shots that you're hitting. I mean, I was on five at Colonial. And I remember there was people. It backs up to the road. There were people on the fence and they were, hey, Harry, you want a bud light?

And I kind of like turn to them. And I'm sure. Now at this point I'll say something because I'm 300 through four. You know, I turned and it was like, I mean, I would love one, but I can't have one. You know, I'm kind of at work here, you know, and they laugh and it was great. We have a weight because it's a hard hole. And then sure enough, I hit it so far right. It's like, I mean.

I don't want a beer anymore. Yeah, I don't want a beer anymore. I got a drop and now hit a boomerang slice just to get it back in play. Like, that sucked. I just need to be better at bringing that out more often and earlier in a week. This one I perform my best, so why not do it? Yeah. But it's hard to do.

It is. It is very difficult when you're in the midst of competition. But now you can bring it out because it's time for the emergency nine. Okay. Our nine fun questions to get to know. Big Beautiful Harry Higgs. My answer is supposed to be short, right? Whatever you want.

Okay. It's your show. I can talk. Go as long as you want, dude. All right. First one, we asked us to all our guests. I know you're a big fan so you know it. Okay.

Movie made about the life of big, beautiful Harry Higgs. Any actor, dead or alive, who plays you? It's Chris Pratt. Just because on. Okay. No. That's not what I was expecting at all. Me and Slee's actually for the first time ever agreed on who plays you.

Okay. Well, no. It's not Chris Pratt. I keep seeing comments on Twitter like, Has anybody seen Harry Higgs and Chris Pratt in the same room? Apparently, I look like him. Really? Now, he's a much more buff version of me.

But maybe if Chris Pratt, he eats some cheeseburgers, he could play me. Are those your burner accounts? No, no, I don't do burner accounts. Come on, I'm not important enough for burner accounts. Well, Slees and I both agree. It's a no brain. I mean, Philip Seymour Hoffman. It's just a long game, Polly, dude, the tear drops and ring drops or whatever.

That's, bro, that's like literally based on your life. Yeah. Yeah. I'm riding with. Chris Braddon. Hey, it's your movie, dude. Yeah, it is my movie. It's a movie about me. You're the guy. You're everything. God, how great would a movie about me be?

Great. Big, beautiful. The life and time. Four people would watch that. The four people in this room. Yeah, three. Yeah. You might have lost one of the Peros after. Yeah, he would be.

I doubt. I doubt the Peros. It might be three now. All right. Next question. This is a rare, serious one in E9. What's the biggest misconception about you? Oh, philosophical.

That's deep. Yeah, dude. This is what we do. Probably the thought that, like, I don't even like drinking on the golf course. The thought that, you know, he's always out, getting drunk. Like, he looks like a guy that rolled out of bed after hammering, you know, 10 drinks at a bar the night before, and now he just goes out and plays and he plays well. Like, no, I mean, it's the gym before to warm up.

It's, it takes a lot of work to be good at this, especially at this level. I got a theory that you're a, I think you're a very smart dude, like, fairly, like, pretty intellectual, but you, like, kind of, I don't want, you don't, They don't hide behind it, but like you have this brand of like, I'm the everyday guy. I'm the, I'm the dude that the frat guys are going to get behind and that the Saturday golfers are going to get behind. But in theory, I think, or not in theory, I think in real life, you are probably very smart dude. I, I mean, honestly, I would say no. Now, did I have success in school?

Yes. But did I have that success because I learned things quickly and I knew everything and I was very smart and well read. No, I just, I knew the system, right? Like, I kind of always guessed what they would ask us, and I would just be able to come up with it. Like, I was the fly by the seat of my pants guy. Like, sometimes my grades were low, and then all of a sudden I would bring them up because, like, okay, I'm gone all the time, as you know, playing college golf, like you develop relationships with professors. Hey, I'm going to be gone for two weeks. Where are you going, Hawaii? And like, normally that's, okay, this guy, if he's anywhere near an A, I'm just

giving him a B because he's never here. But I would just take the time to get to know them and a lot of them. There's a lot of them off and this. So I would say, yeah, I would say intellect I would, I view that as a compliment. I don't know that. I mean it as that. Yeah, and I don't know really ever heard it. I know, I guess I mean, you know the things you know and I don't really know what I know.

But I'm, I'm good. I would say I'm good, common sense, street smarts kind of thing. with, I hope I would assume, I mean, now we're here, we've got an audience that I'm good with people. Like I can talk to people and usually, I would like to say that I'm not a total bore. You wouldn't want to be in a room with me. Like it doesn't get to 20 minutes of conversation with Harry. It's like, God, I got to get away from this guy. Where's the bar?

Right? Like, I would say that most of the time it is, people do want to, not even want to hear what I say, but I can carry on a conversation well enough that it's like, yeah, maybe when I, when, and usually when they see. me again? Oh yeah, I remember you, Harry. It's not like, oh, yeah, I'm always going to remember Harry Higgs forever. But, oh, yeah, I remember him. I enjoyed, I enjoyed an evening, you know, sitting in his table or something like that. I enjoyed an evening. Yeah, with, with a Harold. Yeah. I think there's more beneath the surface. Number three. Yeah. All right, number three, this one, well, don't ask me, that's a deep philosophical. He just asked me basically, I got out of control over there.

I don't think I'm that smart digging beneath layers right now, bro. I started talking about the gym now, which makes this question kind of very disappointing, but I wanted to know, what do you hate more, the gym or the Dallas Cowboys? The Cowboys. I don't love the gym either, but I hate the Cowboys. How'd that game work out for you the Sunday? Not great. Not great. I mean, it's a Philadelphia Eagles fan. If you go 2 and 14 and you beat the Cowboys twice, it's a decent year. We've beat them once, and then we got killed when it mattered most, which is not normal, right? Like, we've been beating the Cowboys when the game matters the most recently. Okay, calm down. Die, Eagles die.

recently. No, Dallas sucks. I just did a podcast. Finish the sentence. Now you see the, D. Thank you. Thank you for the audience. The gallery got it. The gallery got it. I didn't know what the hell you were talking about. No, Dallas sucks. Yeah. There's poor Southside's going up at your trip. It's team. It's not America's team. Get the hell out of here. All right. Next question. If you could sit down and have a couple of chilled Tito's with any living person on the planet, who would it be? Why are his question so hard?

They're normally the ridiculous ones. Normally it's like, I mean, what's your browser's password? Present company excluded. Boy, I don't know. Living or dead? Yeah, you can go dead if you want. So I just finished watching The Crown, which I mean, we've got on Netflix, we got too much time. I'm convinced that all PJ tour players, if we were the only ones that could buy it, it would be fine. like it's all we do.

I would love to have Atitos with Winston Churchill which is probably no one thought of I mean this goes to my point before and that dude woke like went to war you know helped defeat Germany and was it all the you know all the what were they the Axis power whatever it was

I don't remember I didn't really pay attention in history class but just woke up every day smoked a cigar ran a country like I'd love to have Atitos with him Do I get another one? Sure. Yeah, dude. It's your show. It's your drinks.

Yeah, it's my drinks. You can have a whatever, how many people you are. I can do it. Winston Churchill. See, that goes to what else speaking to earlier. Yeah, they like sneaky. Hmm. I would like to say I was named after my mom's dad, her dad, Harry.

And he died when she was young. So I never met him. I kind of feel like I mean to kind of go sappy in him. emotional. I think I'd like to have a Tito's with the guy I was named after. That's fair. Yeah. I mean, I'd be a hell of. Yeah, I only know what I've been told of him. I've been told that we were a lot of like, oddly enough, but I would love to sit and have a Tos with him. I would too. I like him already. All right. Number five, there's probably going to be some Tito's involved in this answer. There's no surprise. You like a good meal. I like a good meal. We're going to fast forward a little bit. Harry Higgs is your master's champion. Okay, you get to host the champions dinner. What is on the menu? I mean, it's your dream meal. This is your time to shine. Tiger's going to be there.

And we've all, as golfers, we've all thought of this and done it. Yeah, I'm sitting right. I'm sitting right next to tiger. Tiger. How are those spikes? Right here, brother. Slippery. Boy, it's probably a tie between.

Actually, yeah, I would, I'm convinced that I would do, I'm just going to serve just like Philadelphia cheese steaks. You boys have got to eat them. If you don't eat them, you go hungry. Like if you're not into bread or something like that. Philly cheese steaks. It's a tie between Kansas City Barbecue or Philadelphia cheese steaks. And I think the cheese steaks have got to be A1 and the, you know, 1A Philly cheese steaks.

One B is Kansas City Barbecue. Arguably the most disappointed I've ever been in an answer on golf subpar. I like that. That's a great answer. I don't know what you're talking about. That's a simple one. You clearly haven't had a good Philly cheesecake. Well, I got another food one that I just audibleed into out of what I had here.

but this speaks, we're going to go a little deeper here. All right. You've been your man, you're well-traveled man. You've been all around the world, all around the U.S. for sure. Big debate today earlier on the, on the, after our golf round. Are you an in-and-out guy? Are you a waterburger guy? You get one for the rest of your life.

Which one are you going with? I think I, I think I've had Waterburger once. You live in Dallas? You live in Dallas. You just said, I hate Dallas. I'm not a big. They're open 24 hours, sir. Yeah, I'm not a big fast food guy.

I go to in-and-out more. I think it would be in and out. Okay. Yeah. There you go. West Coast bias. Yeah. West Coast bias.

You're welcome in Scottsdale anytime. If the Dallas kicks you out after the Dallas Cowboys in that answer, yeah. You're in. Wow. I mean, it's kind of, I mean, it is a tie, but I don't want to be the guy. No, I like them both. I go with In-N-N-Out. I'm very surprised.

No, that's the correct answer. I'm getting to know Harry Higgs out here. I'm not sure if I like him as much as I didn't start. I think, I think most people, if they got to know me, they wouldn't really like me as much. Yeah. Surface level here at 10. Oh, yeah. I love even more.

And that's the correct answer. Oh, Harry. Fire. Number seven. Have you ever had a wardrobe malfunction at a tournament? Think back to all your golf tournaments. Yeah. Late over the year.

What do you got? I look like a stuffed sausage the morning of the morning of the first round in Cabo. Please explain. Yeah, what's that mean? Senior year, all these dumbass freshmen from California couldn't ever pack the right stuff, right? And it was so simple. it was like two pairs of gray pants and then we did wear white pants which i did not like and nor should i and i have not worn them since and i will never wear white pants i'm too big for that um so i've been

given kids constantly all year long how how do you how do you get like they're literally sending us photos of what to bring or bringing wrong shirts and all this wrong hats wrong belts wrong wrong pants all over these kids and it was like the second third of last event and i had the correct outfit on, right? Like it was the correct pants and the correct shirt. For me, all these

little tiny kids had to do, you know, hem the pants and get the shirts brought in. It was, for me, it was 3834 pant, Excel shirt. I'm good. I don't even, I pack them in the plastic. I pull them out.

I wear them. That's it. That's all I needed. So I packed a bunch of the shirts and the pants wrapped in the plastic. First round we get, and we're staying at, Lloyd's house, which was lovely.

I've got this awesome room by myself, kingbed, you know, great. And it's a little dark in the morning. We're getting up, and I'm putting this on. I'm like, I don't really fit. I put the pants on. I put the shirt on. I'm like, what's going on here? Like this?

I had like a 34, 34, 34, and I was wearing a medium shirt. And I remember, I didn't even really, but I walked downstairs. I was like, guys, what, I mean, what do I do? And I look like a stuffed sausage. Like everything is just, everything is in case. Like it looked like I'm ready to pop through the shirt and the pants for the for that matter and I was just so panicked. I had no idea what to do and they're like to just go up there and put one of the wrong outfits on like or go up there and find something that fits. You can't play in that. You wear that. So I did.

I had to be the guy. I think we were wearing like dark gray pants and a dark blue shirt. And I was out there in like khaki pants and a red shirt. I got the quote. Where the medium come? Where did all this stuff come from? They just sent me. Oh,

you didn't check it. Whether or not I grabbed it from the medium pile, I don't, I would never have done that. I've never been a medium. I am being a medium since I was 10. Right. Medium. So I like, and they were, they were labeled. as, no, they were labeled correctly.

They were labeled 3834 and Excel, but the shirts and the pants were not the right thing for me. And yeah, it was... Let me give you the description from your two coaches. It was Josh Gregory at the time, and Jason Inlow was the assistant. Enloe said you come down from your master bedroom suite

because you're the senior. Oh, yeah. Oh, I had a master suite. Here comes Harry with a shirt that looked like he painted it on. Yep. And pants that were tighter than Lulu Lemon yoga, pants. And they were no better than calf high. Yeah. Yeah. He said, yep, shin high. He said, and he said, quote, did you and Gregory switch to that slim fit shit? All that Eurofit shit. He was trying to get us to wear. No, man. Oh, I forget about that one. I'm so glad that's.

And then so. I heard you put it on again. Yeah. So I was just getting to this. All the families, my mom and dad were there. You know, a few other players, their mom and dad were there. The house was great. We had everybody over for dinner. We had a chef. And there were compliance people. Like, sure, we're going to come to the Cabo event. And the story gets told at dinner as to why I was wearing the wrong shit this day. And sure enough, everybody's like, go put it on. Go put it on.

And again, much like singing on the damn airplane, of course I went up there and put it on and paraded around for dinner. And it was lovely. You're a showman, dude. Oh, yeah. But I did. I looked like I do not. I mean, I didn't take any photos of myself that day, nor do I ever.

But I would be surprised that there. would not be a photo and I'm surprised that one hasn't surfaced. We got some time before this episode comes out. You're a show, dude, you're asking you. There's another one. And I don't know that anybody will be able to get a hand on it. And Hill would know, I may or may not have competed in a, I'm not say 40 yard dash. It was maybe 40 feet at Trinity Forest.

And I won. I'm a lot. That's one thing people would be surprised about. I am not fast. Certainly not fast. No. No. But I am a lot faster than I look.

I got pretty good leg speed and I can move. If it gets going, if it gets going downhill and I don't fall over, it's actually like, I can't say fast because I'm not fast, but it's kind of impressive. And I dusted Sands Chipman in this little race. Now, before so as the- Sans Chipman, dude. Who's a real person and a great man.

I know that. I know Sands. Yeah, of course. Yeah. It's a real person, right? Like, there has be a fake name. Yes. Oh, no, no.

There's videos of it. Holy shit. Now it's, we're going to wait and see. it's probably going to be when I win it's going to be me running shirt off obviously I took my shirt off as the showman that I am and just dusted these guys

the video is probably going to wind up being me running shirt off and then whoever I beat that finished in second just put his head on saying it's hoping oh yeah I just got to win I got to win soon if I'm able to locate that video do I have your authority to post that to various social media outlets

you have my authority you need to get you We need to work on the timing of it. Okay. It needs to be after I went. Yeah. It needs to be one after I went. So you're saying we can't make it an Instagram teaser for this interview.

For this show. If it's you running against Sands. I've yet to see, that's the thing. I've yet to say no. I don't have any representation here. Trust me. I mean, these guys would all say yes.

If it exists, it will be located tonight. And you know, I'm totally cool. Like that is, that is me. I took my shirt off. I did it,

right? Like, sure, go ahead. I love that. I love that you start that story with, this may be a surprise to you guys, but I'm not super fast. I got it.

But I'm faster than I look. That is a surprise. I'm faster than I look and I can dance well. You're a little crocodile. Well, the dancing doesn't surprise me. Yeah. The running. Yeah.

I'm a showman. I feel like I had that pegged. All right. Next question. Your PJ and your PJ Tour bio, it says that if you didn't play golf, you'd like to be a senator, governor,

or possibly even president, okay? Yeah. If you were running for president and you had to select a VP amongst the PGA Tour pros, who's your VP? It's not a, it's not a, it's not a,

golfer, it's a caddy. Oh, there we go. Could you guess? Yeah. I'm gonna go with, I have two guests. Aaron Fleener.

Yeah. That was my first one. My next one was Gino. Oh shit. Gino might even be better. He's like some sort of cabinet member. Because Gino's not the same as me. Like,

Gino is an intellectual. Gino is smart. And he maybe not, he might not come off as it and he might not ever want to come off as it. But Gino, Gino is a genius, especially dealing with Joel. Geno is Joel Damon's catty.

John. Yeah. Oh, damn. it might have to be Gino. But I think, yeah, yes. I don't know if you can have co-vPs. Why not? I'm the president.

Good point. Yeah. You run the whole world. But I think if Fleener and I were running, running this country, I don't know how it would go, but it sure seems like it'd be a great idea. We would have a lot of fun. That's a nice campaign. Let's see you too in some debates.

Yeah. Well, I mean, sure. I won't prepare anything, but I'll go up there and talk. Yeah, sure. Of course. Yeah. You have to loosen up the dress. Loose.

Loisten up the dress code a little bit, bring buttons down a couple of knots. notches. I mean, I could never be president, but it is, it was a little fun. That's really, yeah, if you, we had a little bit of fun tomorrow, you'd want to get into politics. Yeah. Yeah? No, it seems miserable.

It looks like the worst shit of all the time. I don't, I don't understand, and I, I don't understand anything about politics. I don't understand how people can disagree about so many things. Like, it can't be that hard. Sure. I mean, you can, you can have one side. I can have the other and be like, we can find some common ground in this. It's...

That makes too much sense. Yeah. It just turned into this... It's a shit show. Higgs 2024. I mean, it's just... It really is. Just... Cleaner. Higgs. But no, I'm not. Higgs cleaner. That's a hell of a ticket. Hell of it. What do I have to be... Big beautiful and big cat 2024. I'd be 35 to run for president, right?

Yeah, 35. It may have some stupid rule about that. Yeah, you're going to have to wait until another term. Yeah. Next... 6 years. 2028, you're in. 2028. Yeah. Do you have another one because I know you... No, I audible out to the internet. Okay, perfect. So last question. Okay.

Back in the day, I got a good call. I got a call from my good friend, Pat Perez, PJ tour player. And he goes, hey, I need to talk to you about something. And I was like, oh, shit, this kind of sounds kind of serious. He's like, what's up? He was looking at your PJ tour profile, and it says you're 5-9-215. He goes, look, you can lie about one. You can't lie about both.

Yeah. So got a good chuckle out of that. I was like, perfect. I'm 215. Whatever. So, meanwhile, last night, when I was getting ready for this interview, I strolled through years. Yeah.

And it says you're 6-2-2-3-5. Who do you think was telling the truth more, me or you? About your weight or about the height? Well, I guess either one. I mean, I'm definitely 6-2. Yeah. See, when you're 6-2, you don't have to lie about your height.

Yeah. Who's closer in pounds accurately on their, on their bio? Is this while Colt was playing? I don't know. Have you changed? Maybe a little. Yeah, it's perfect. Colt was definitely more true.

We both lied, who cares. Yeah, maybe 2.35 plus 35. Yeah, who cares? It's fine. Look, I was the same damn bio I wrote I could be president. And Chris Pratt's playing you in a movie. I mean, it's no big deal. I remember they asked like, literally,

this was 2014 when I was first in Latin America. I remember they had like write down your two favorite websites. And the guy that I was, buddy was doing it right here, it's like, should we put a porn website on you like? Yeah, Brassers and you porn. I mean, it seems like it's good for me. So, yeah, I might have fibbed about my weight. No problem at all.

I respected. Harry Higgs, you're right, your own blast. Thank you so much, dude. I appreciate that. Thank you. Well, Slees, that was an absolute blast sitting down with big, beautiful Harry Higgs, man. I just love this guy. It's hard not to like him.

Yeah, he's one of those guys that I think has quickly become one of the biggest fan favorites on the PJ tour. Once fans are back out there, I think he's going to feel that maybe more than anybody. But he just, he's like, what you see is what you get with Harry. You see him on TV. looks like a fun guy to sit down with. Sure enough. We have them in studio. We go out and play little golf them. He's exactly as advertised, man. Yeah, it's a lot of fun. I thought one of the cool things was just how self-confident this guy is. I mean, here's a guy. He wasn't a superstar in junior golf. He was a two or three guy at SMU in college, which a lot of those guys don't even

make it and don't even try to play pro golf. But here's a guy, everyone I talk to, whether it be his coach Josh Gregory, who coached Patrick Reed as well. So this is saying a lot. He's the most self-confident guy he's ever been around. And I mean, you can see it comes across. I mean, this guy thinks he is legitimately one of the best players in the world. And hey, that's a big step you got to take. And so look out for Harry Higgs in the future. That's huge, dude. And I think you can attest to this as well as anyone.

I think one of the hardest things to have on the PJ tour, everyone's good from a talent perspective, right? Otherwise, you wouldn't be there. But that belief, it's as a golf is a game that can just beat you up so bad that it's easy to lose that, even if you start off confident. But here's the guy that, you know, worked his way out there and truly believes he's built to win. And I think, you know, he's been close already.

He can do it. but I think that's one of the toughest things to get is like a genuine self-confidence. It's not kind of fake and his seems to be authentic. Yeah, and like you said, we played with him the other day out at Whistparok. I mean, the guy's got some game. There's no doubt. I played with him when he was at SMU and he was a nice player, but I'll tell you what, he is. He has turned his game into a real threat on the PGGA tour weekend and week out.

Yeah, he looked. I was really impressed with what we saw the other day at Whispark. I looked for him to do big things this year. I also loved hearing. I feel like we asked this to almost everyone, but like the tiger's story. Everyone seems to have their first interaction. They remember it with Tiger, and most people seem to botch it every single time, and he's obviously no exception to that. Yeah, I mean, he's only human, you know? Hey, uh, you ever, you ever worry about slipping? Ah, that was stupid.

We might have a new nominee for most ridiculous person to play them in a movie, though, with Harry Higgs. Chris Pratt. Yeah. Yeah, sorry, that's beautiful. Not quite. That's lofty. That's the self-confidence, though, dude. It's coming in. If you're going to pick somebody, pick somebody like that, I guess. Shit. All right, well, that was a lot of fun. Thanks, Thanks, Harry Higgs, for sitting down with us. That's going to do it for this week's golf subpar.