Subpar - How Ricky Romano landed on Rickie Fowler’s bag, what the team room was like at the Ryder Cup

Episode Date: October 17, 2023

On this week's episode of GOLF's Subpar, PGA Tour caddie Ricky Romano joins former PGA Tour pro Colt Knost and jicky jack legend Drew Stoltz for an exclusive, in-studio, interview. The man who took over the bag of a resurgent Rickie Fowler talks what led to his current position, which player-caddie combo would win an event and his experience inside the US team room at this year's Ryder Cup. ----- Subscribe to our new YouTube Now: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCt5ESUx6omMUsMoEKvMTzlA Follow Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/golf_subpar/?hl=en Follow Twitter: https://twitter.com/golf_subpar?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor ----- We are excited to announce our newest sponsor Tito's Handmade Vodka and their Tito’s Golf Club "Sub-Par Sponsorship" Now Tito's Golf Club members can nominate the Sub-Par Golfer in their lives to be sponsored by Tito’s to get cool gear and fresh fits. Yes, even if that golfer is you. Will it make your friend good at golfing? No! Will they look like they’re good at golfing? And maybe by sheer osmosis start to be kind of okay at it? Sure! At the very least you know they have good taste in vodka. Make bad golfing look good while bad golfers get better. Join and nominate at titosgolfclub.com ----- Thanks to Ralph Lauren, the Official Outfitter of the United States Ryder Cup team and of GOLF's Subpar.  The RLX Golf collection is available in select Ralph Lauren stores, exclusive private clubs, and resorts, and online at RalphLauren.com. https://www.ralphlauren.com/brands-golf?&utm_source=OtherPartners&utm_medium=GolfSubparPodcastRLSponsorship_GolfSubpar_PodcastPlacement_2023_GolfSubparPodcastRLSponsorship

Hello world. Welcome back to Golf Subpar with Colt Nost and Drew Stolkes. What a week it was for Tom Kim, who defended his title out in Vegas at the Shriners Children's Open. As you can see if you're watching on YouTube, I'm currently at Bel Air Country Club and Mr. Dave Otis's office, the head pro here at Bel Air, Director of Golf, excuse me, at Bel Air Country Club, getting ready to play the Friends of Golf event out here. So he's where our man, Max Homa, is the honoree. Is he speaking? Is Max giving a little talk? He is. Later on tonight, after golf, he will be speaking. speaking. He's got a tough guy interviewing him, though. Jim Nance will be handling the MC duties. I don't know if you've ever heard of him. He's going to have to carry the whole shit by himself.

Tough sled. Max, that's what you get for being a superstar, bud. Who else are some of the friends of golf in this outing? Who's friendly with the game? I've got quite the group today. I'm playing with our producer from CBS, Sellers Shy, the one and only Terry Gannon. And then the dude that has been the face of Netflix, it seems like, for the last several years, Chad Mum. So we got quite the for some. A whole bunch of mums. Chad's everywhere right now. Wheel and a deal and he's in the place. I want to hear a full breakdown of his golf game at the end of this. I haven't seen it personally. He's supposed to play soon, but I'm going to need to know strengths and weaknesses of Mr. Mum's game. I have not seen it either. I can't wait. It's a beautiful day out here,

but fell air, one of the best. Going to be a really fun day raising some money for a great cause. But back to Tom Kim, who defended his title now has three wins on the PGA tour, and he's just 21 years old. The only thing I was disappointed in Slees was how he said he was going to celebrate in Vegas, having some chocolate and going to bed. I mean, what are we doing? That's pretty typical, isn't it? That's what we do. I always have some chocolate when I'm in Vegas.

You know what I mean? Love a little chocolate up there. But the kid's 21, dude. He joins Tiger Woods, by the way. He's the only guy who went three times by the age of 21. He's just getting going. And he just, like, it's kind of like refreshing, honestly. It's like he's not about that life.

He doesn't love that partying, and I think what, the President's Cup when we talked to him. Like, that was the first party, quote, unquote, he'd ever been to. He doesn't, that stuff doesn't get the juices going. And by the way, that's probably why he's the only guy other than Tiger Woods to win three times by the age of 21. Like, he grinds, he works hard. I don't think he puts the clubs down for a whole lot from what I've heard from Scove. And he likes money, though. So he's going to have plenty of options to do whatever the hell he wants.

It was really, really impressive what he did out there, especially getting off to the start. Thursday, Friday, he left a lot of shots out there. Miss some puts that were not used to seeing him make and then comes back and shoots 20 under. But also, Colt, got to talk about Lexi real quick. You know, you got to get to the T, but, dude, I was blown away. Like, this is no bullshit. This isn't pandering. This isn't anything.

She was incredibly impressive, given the amount of pressure and eyeballs that she had on her this past week to go out and shoot even par and really scare that. Dude, she was scaring that cut line for a long time on that Friday afternoon. Yeah, at one point was up to T40. It looked like she might get it done. Honestly, left quite a few shots out there. Made a bad double the first day. You know, miss some short putts coming in, which is kind of her weakness, but pretty impressive, man.

The fairways were really firm. She was hit that tumbling hook out there, drove it on the 15th hole, but really cool to see her go out there and shoot 69. And honestly, probably could have been a couple of shots better, and might have had a chance to make the cut. But still, she showed a lot of game. Very impressive.

She should be proud of her performance. To go out there and shoot even far and beat a lot of really good play. players. And a lot of our buddies. It's... Yeah. Sorry, guys. We won't single out. Won't single any out. Let's just say we're both on the group text with a number of them. Some of them got out in front of it early and we're like, all right, go ahead, pile on.

I just lost Alexi. I suck. She's best. I can't do anything. And then some of them hidden the weeds and we had to drag them out. I was like, hey, bud, anything happened today? How'd you play? You beat anybody or lose anybody of note? It was a beautiful thing. But, dude, she deserves all the credit in the world for... She surpassed all my expectations. And I think it was almost the best case scenario. If she could have climbed into the weekend, it would have been, that's as good as it gets. Yeah, it would have been a huge story. It looked like she was going to do it there for a little bit, but just fell a couple of shots short. But congrats to Tom Kim on another win. Really awesome to see him go out there. I mean,

as the favorite to go out there and get it done. My dark horse, Adam Hadwin, who was 60 to 1, man. I was licking my chops there for a little bit. And then the shot into the water on 16 kind of ended his day. A little $400,000 birdie there on 18 to move from a massive tie for second to solo second. So congrats to Adam on a great week. Yeah, as sour as that finishes to not get the job done, making that putt on 18 to secure an extra 430. Good way to leave Las Vegas. Shout out to Adam Hadwin. We got a great interview coming up.

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Ricky Romano, been a caddy for quite a long time, was an unbelievable college and jicky jack player. Shoot some crazy low scores, but his story is rather incredible. Share some great insight into this year's Rider Cup. Here he is, Ricky Romano on subpar. All right. Folks, it is a pleasure to welcome on a former jickey Jack ball player turned elite bag man. He's caddy for the likes of Charlie Belgian.

Nate Lashley, now currently on the bag for Ricky Fowler. He's had a hell of a ride this year. We're going to hear all about it. Ricky Romano in the building. What up, big dog. Gentlemen. Good to have you. Thank you.

Thanks for having me. I think Stas thought Ray Romano was coming in and there's going to be a bunch of paparazzi outside. That's why he wears shades. Like the shades? What do you think about it? I feel like prime. He had a surgery done today. So we got to cut him a little.

slack. My, yeah, for the record, anyone watching on YouTube, it looks like a, it looks like a meatball. It is shredded. You know, what's your good? I do everyone a favorite. Yeah, it sucks that. It just feels like there's some shit in your eye at all times. Okay. We always joke about how we're the hardest working men in show business, but I mean, you're playing hurt right now. Hurt, dude. Yeah, I could easily take a knee, say let's do it next week. Not for Ricky, though. Not for, not for Romano. We've been waiting to do this for a while. You've been busy. I know we've been talking about it for a minute now, so I'm glad it all worked out. In studio, too, We get to have a couple pops, like old time sick.

You finally get a little time off. What the hell you've been doing? I've just been fishing and golfing, really. What are you better at? Now I'm a lot better at fishing than I am golfing. Because you were a stick back in the day. There was a time there where I could play a little bit. Yeah, and we could get it going, but I'm far from that now.

Far from that now. You were at the University of Houston, I believe, the same years I was at SMU, right? Yeah. O3-07? Yep. Yeah, I mean, yeah, I had to deal with you a lot of time. I slapped you around a little bit, but y'all, y'all had a good run. You had a good team down there.

We had a decent team. Yeah, you won eight times in one year. You won conference every year. Yeah, I mean, you know, it's tough to beat you. And now that's why I was- now we both suck. And now we're all shit and we just talk about golf. We actually have involved. We never played on tour.

I mean, Colt played on tour. But we played the Jicks. We do play the Jix. Tell everyone about you like you're playing back, like you were Houston, you won a bunch of tournament. Your team won a bunch of tournaments. It's a good player. How long on the Jix? Um, probably, I want to say it was like six or seven years that we played. Yeah, it was a good run. Um, I always say like looking back on it, like the mini tours they, you find out pretty quick if you got what it takes. I mean, because it costs so much money. You're forking out $1,200 every week, which nobody really has. And you got sponsors and, you know, you don't know how you're going to pay your car payment. And, um, I was lucky enough to, you know, hang in there, if you will. Um, um, you know, um, you know,

I mean, there was a time where I thought I thought I was good enough to play on the tour because a lot of it is the belief and, you know, you got to believe. And I think I lacked a little bit of that, you know, just kind of going through Cusco. I could never get out of second stage. But, yeah, I got a scholarship to Houston. It was, you know, I got scholarship offers from quite a few schools, a lot in Southern California, just not a full scholarship. Houston gave me 92%

which was a lot, right? That's a lot in golf. Like you're not, you know. And for those who don't know, golf, men's golf, it's four and a half scholarships and you travel with five and most teams have,

you know, eight to 12 guys. So there's not that much to divvy up. So when you take 92%, that's a big chunk. You got a quarter of the deal almost, yeah. I did. Yeah, and I negotiated that too, funny enough.

Like, I remember like, because you were bored to be a catty. I did. I negotiated that whole deal. We went to like, Like we went, the last night I was in Houston on my recruiting trip, we went to this Chinese restaurant downtown. And I told the coach, I was like, listen, I said, I'm not, I said, I'm not coming here

for anything less than 90%. Like I looked him right in the face and he kind of looked at me funny and was like, well, okay, you know, he goes, I'm going to have to get back to him. I said, just let me know. And he got back to me. I flew out the next day, he got back to me pretty quick, maybe a couple days later and was like, how does 92% sound? And I'm like, yeah.

Better than, more than I. 90. Is it all sign that? I said, where do I sign? You know, and the golf in Houston is amazing. The courses that we got to play, everybody was so good to us. Like Mondays, we would go play Royal Oaks Country Club, which was out west. Tuesday, we played River Oaks. Every Tuesday, we played River Oaks. That's where all the rich folks live in Houston. Oh, yeah, a lot of old oil money and such a cool trek. That was the closest course. We had to drive a long way. And that was the only real downer about playing golf at Houston was just the driving to the courses every day. And, you know, it was 45 minutes to an hour everywhere we went and traffic and all that good stuff. You're really selling the University of Houston right now.

What else is sweet about it? But no, they're just there. Girls are ugly as that. I'm kidding. Yeah, it's, um, they got some talent. They do. Houston does have some talent. melting pot, if you will, you know, of different styles of women.

Different styles. Well said. Where were you looking in Southern Cow? Because it's hard to pull a Southern Cow kid. You're from Myriadah. But hard to pull a Southern Cow kid out of Southern Cowell. Definitely. Yeah.

I was, I really wanted, honestly, I wanted to go to Arizona State. That was where I wanted to go. They gave Nicholas Lemke. I think you remember him. He gave him. He was really. He should have been it. He should have been.

I mean, I think everybody thought that too. Yeah. He was, yeah, he was a stud. And they gave most of the scholarship to him. And then another dude actually from Riverside, Phil Telliard, I think that was his last name. We played against him in high school. And they gave him a bunch of money.

And I just wasn't getting enough to where it was like, hey, you know, I just, I couldn't do it. You know, my family, we didn't have a lot of money when I was growing up. My mom, she gave almost every penny that we had to let me travel and play AJGAs. and I kind of had a deal with her where it was like, hey, mom, you know, I know we don't have a lot of money, but if I go and play some of these tournaments, like maybe I could, you know, get some national recognition

and maybe some coaches will see me, and maybe I'll get a scholarship. And she's like, okay, let's do that. And the first AJGA that I ever played in was in Michigan. I got like a, I wrote a letter and they gave me an invite to it and I won the tournament. And it was like from there, it was just like, you know, it's all confidence right.

from there it was just yeah and back in those like in those days i mean not to make us sound extremely old but like the aj ga's there wasn't as many of them as there is nowadays like they were hard to get into like it was a special deal it didn't matter where you lived if there was an a jGA and you got in you went to it you went to it and you i mean i was traveling to the qualifiers out here for the heather far i must have played in probably a handful of qualifiers for a jGA before yeah i got that invite to just play in a tournament and i could never qualify. Like they only take like two, three, four spots, I think. Um, but yeah, um, you know, from there, like I said, I got a scholarship. I played well enough to get a scholarship to

Houston. And from there, I, um, I actually met Charlie Belgian, um, in college. It was my senior year at regionals. I think it was at Tucson National. Another guy on our team went to high school with him and introduced me to him. And I was like, I like, oh, like Charlie, you know. So I moved to Mesa when I graduated in 07 to play on the Gateway Tour with you. Shout out. And yeah, Ryan Prey. We'll shout out Ryan Prey. Talk to him yesterday.

Did you? No, that tour was sweet back in the day, dude. And there was some players. It was a good tour. They don't have that anymore. Oh, they had like an A and a B group or like, you know, it was like, you knew who who was donating money. You knew who wasn't going to play well.

They were the best, by the way. They were the best. Like, you know, and we respected those guys who just, you know, we knew they weren't going to make any cuts and um but yeah i mean from i had a question about the gateway tour go ahead no so i'm curious because so like back then like what place did you have to finish like to make you to break even gosh that's a great dude back in that era so when i first got i was i'm the same age as you we probably started playing at the same time it was like dude i can remember my first one i finished like eighth and i made like $3,800 whatever it was like oh my god

I just like profited 2,600. Like 12. Depend if you bought the whole season or a one off event. I think if you bought a one off, it was like 1,200. If you bought the whole season, it was like a thousand-ish, right? Right. It was like 10,000 for a series, I think. But dude, like it was a 20 piece back in the day if you won.

It was like the dudes that were winning for making money. Yeah. You know? It was like if you beat Charlie or if you beat Jesse Mueller or there was a handful of guys, if you beat them, you were going to finish. Yeah. You were going to finish in the top. top five. I mean, it was like, Charlie was winning, Jesse Mueller was winning. Let's see, Brady

played really well, Stockton. Yeah, who else? It was the same dudes like over, like, you know, more or less. Yeah. Harrington would play decent, you know, play good son. Like, yeah, yeah. Nate Tyler was good for a while. Yeah, yeah. John Ellis. It's an organized gambling game. It was a, it's literally, you play for your own money and then the house takes a wreck. It's just like going to Vegas. Like they're like, you ride in cars. We'll chop this a little bit to set up the event. and organize it, and then y'all play for everyone's money. And that was what it was.

But back in that day, there was enough dudes you could stay afloat. You could make enough money. What was the, like, why do you think the mini tours have, I mean, for the most part, gone away? Boy, that's a good question. I would think that it would have gotten better. There's been some scandals, too. I mean, the scandals is obviously a problem. But like those ones, like the Gateway Tour, that was legit.

I mean, the Hooters Tour was legit. Like, there was no problem paying out people there, but you just, those tours kind of just went away. I don't know, because they were always around when we played. Did you play that National Pro Golf Tour? I never did. The one that ended up going belly up and they owed a bunch. They end up paying off the top part, like the guys they owed the top 10 guys they owed money to. They paid them and everyone else got like screwed out of their money.

They stopped paying for like months. Stuff like that happens. Did you get in on that? Yeah, I ended up getting paid. Thank God. Because I just won one. I was like, give me my goddamn money. But a bunch of people didn't and then that went away.

And so that happens to like a handful of them. I know. I just, I was curious. But that's a good question. I don't know. I mean, what was the one out in the camera? The EGolf tour or whatever? EGolf was big.

EGolf had a nice dude, like Potter, I think used to clean that tour up. I mean, Chad Campbell won like 400 times on the Hooters tour. Right. Yeah, there was one in Florida. I don't know the name of it. They had like one or two-day events, like smaller, but you could win them over and over and win a bunch of money. Yeah. Okay.

With that being said, at what point did you realize, okay, this isn't going the way I want to, like I'm not going to make it to the PGA tour. I got to try something else. Um, you know, it just, it happened pretty organically, honestly. Um, Charlie was, was, was on tour at the time. This was in 2000 and I want to say it was 12 or 13. Um, I want to say it was 12. Yeah. And he came to me and I was still playing like, honestly at the time I didn't know like, I was having for like a couple weeks. I'm like, man, what am I going to do? Am I going to this and that? And then Charlie called me and was like, hey man, would you mind coming to work for me for like. two or three weeks. It's on the West Coast. The first one's at LA. Next, or actually the next one's going to be in Florida at the Honda. And then I think Falspar or something after that, which is in Tampa. And, uh, you know, he's like, you can make a few bucks, you know, a couple extra bucks. Maybe keep continue playing. And I was like,

okay, yeah, let's do that, you know. And the first week, Riviera, we were in the final group on Saturday and Sunday. We were leading after Friday, I believe. I think we were tied for the leader leading. And, um, at the end of the week, Unfortunately, we kind of had a falter there on nine. I remember Charlie had a four putt, unfortunately. I don't want to bring up any negative stuff. Bad read. Three bad reads.

Three bad reads. That could have been what it was. But we ended up finishing, I believe, tied for 11th and he wrote me a check that week. It was a pretty hefty check. And I remember looking at the check and going, huh, this is more money than I've ever made on the mini tours. Like, maybe, you know, maybe I can just continue doing this. And actually, you know, I never really even had a conversation with Charlie about it afterwards or like while it was going on, I ended up cadding for Charlie before, I believe, three and a half years. And I'm,

and since that day, since LA, I've been cadding on tour ever since that day. So, so you've never cat, you, you did some corn ferry here and there, but for the most part, it's been all PJ tour since that time. All PJ tour. I only, I only caddied on the corn ferry for three quarters of year. I caddy for Aaron Weiss and I helped him get his card that year and things just ended up not working out with him. That's pretty impressive though. I mean, just out of nowhere picking up a bag, your buddy. Yeah. Then you've been out there ever since.

Yeah. That's awesome. Yeah, a blessing for sure. What was that like though? I mean, your first week on the bag, you're at L.A., which is one of the biggest tournaments on the PGA tour. And you're in the final group. I mean, it's got to be crazy adrenaline, buzz, all kinds of stuff going on. Yeah, it was a rush.

It was a rush for sure. And that 18th hole, I just, I just remember, especially on Saturday coming down the stretch, because we were, we were right there and just everybody and you could feel everyone's energy on the 18th green and made the hair stand up on my neck, man. And I just like, the feeling. And I'm like, man, I love this. Like the, I don't want to hit the shots anymore. You know, like I'm good. Like, you know, it's, it's, it wasn't one of those things where I'm like, man, I wish I could hit the shots for Charlie or whoever I was catting for. It was never like that. It was like, man, I just want them to play well and anything that I can do to help them or was just what I want to do. And sometimes it's like not saying anything. You know what I mean? Like sometimes the best caddies like, just shut up, let them play. They're playing good.

Like just give them a number. Tell them what the wind is and get out of their way. Riviera was a cash cow for Charlie. He loved it. He picked him up on a nice week. He's a monster there. Great golf course for him. Great golf course for him.

I mean, he bombed it, especially back then. he, man, he really ripped it and just all those par fours out there he hit that high fade, real controlled fade and, you know, he was kind of a streaky putter, Charlie was, but man, when he was on with the putter, like he had the confidence rolling, boy,

he could get it going. He could go. And when you first started cadd in for him, obviously he'd known him for a while, but like now everyone bombs it. Everybody does. But he like was one of those guys that was different.

Back then when he first got on tour, like there was a handful of guys that was like, holy shit, that guy moved. it. Now you say that about 100 guys. Sure. You're right. Yeah. For whatever reason. Maybe that's just the working out thing or that's just the way guys have, you know, come up the ranks. Maybe that's because of Tiger. I don't know, you know,

because everybody looked up to Tiger, right? You know, us never heard of growing up. Right. I mean, it's like he, he kind of set the, you know, set the bar as far as working out and bombing it and getting, getting strong. So I think that might have been what it was. Yeah, but Charlie was like one of the first dudes I remember playing with. They could move it like over 300 through the air. There were guys that could land it at 280 and kind of chase it and at these little hot ones and if they got firm fairways could get it out there. Charlie was like, oh, that bunker's 298 cover. Like not even. Not even. That's when I was like when I played with them. I was like, if this kid don't make it like then none of us are because he can do things that are different.

He was one of the first. And so you get with him. How long were you with him on the first? I think it was about three and a half years I caddied for Charlie. And I got a phone call the caddy for Aaron. This was when I started working for Aaron. I told Charlie, I was like, hey man, I just got this opportunity to work for Aaron. He had just won the NCAA title and had the pedigree. And, you know, at the time, I'm like, man, I just if I can kind of stick with him and, you know, see how he does, like, you know, maybe something good might come. But I don't know. You know, I really, I really didn't know what I was doing at the time.

I was just like, just kind of going and trying to work my way up the ranks. I'm like, if I can get him, maybe then, you know, I, you know. Well, he's one of those guys that, I mean, he was. destined to be a superstar on the PJ tour. And I mean, he's had a really nice career so far. He's one out there and everything. But like that was a gamble on your part. But one like those, if you're like,

ah, call me when you get to the tour, you know, that bag might not be there anymore. For sure. And that was the kind of deal. That was the deal that I had with Aaron and his people was, um, they wanted somebody to go down there and put in the time with him and then go to the tour. And for whatever reason,

I got a phone call a week before the last turn or actually it was a few before the last tournament and they let me go and um as i mean i was i was definitely uh hurt for sure just because i had put in a lot of time and i and i did a lot of extra work for aaron on the on the corn fairy just going out there and shooting a lot of random stuff um just because of the books i didn't think were that great and it's a sacrifice i mean the money's not the same out there as it is on the bjay tour yeah you're right yeah yeah i don't know how a lot of god's the job is more or less the same, but it's like you're not, you're taking a pay cut. Definitely.

Do it. Huge pay. Yeah. So when he makes it and then they're like, hey, we're going a different direction. You got, I mean, at that point, you got to be like, dude, like things are going well. Like we're getting our car. You know what I mean?

Like, why are you breaking this? Why are you breaking up the band? Right. Yeah. I mean, it was, I don't know. Things were really good. I thought. Maybe Aaron thought something different.

I don't know. You know, I'm not going to speculate. It's fine. It's all worked out. It's all worked out. It's all worked out. You know, I see, hands out. We all those caddies would kind of say, like, you haven't actually caddied until you've been fired a few times.

Like, you know, I mean, there's the, there's the few guys that they get a bag and they stay with these guys for, you know, X amount of years or whatever. And but there's just not very many of them, right? I mean, no, there's, I mean, you look, there's a handful of guys that have had the same bag for, you know, over a decade. Like, that just doesn't happen that often. I mean, you're around each other more than you're around your wife, girlfriend, partner, whatever it is. Like you get sick of each other. There's no doubt. Right.

And the player can't fire himself. That's right. I mean, you got to blame somebody. And I get it. Like, I mean, the caddies got to go. The caddies got to go. I mean, I totally get it. But I think it, you know, I mean, it definitely prepares you.

It definitely opens your eyes, I guess. It was very eye open, opening for me to get fired. I'd never been fired for many jobs or anything that I had. Granted, I didn't have many jobs growing up. I mean, I did. I work at golf courses and stuff. But that kind of stuff when it was like actually I felt like it was my career and and getting fired. I mean, it was like very uneasy.

You're like waiting for a phone call. I don't. Is anyone ever going to call me? What am I going to do if nobody calls me, right? Like, I mean, what am I going to do? I don't know. Well, you know. You found your way into a rather nice bag in Ricky Fowler.

I got to know going back, I mean, you're from Murrietta. Yeah. Joe Scobron. Ricky Fowler. Was Joe like? an idol to you guys kind of growing up god i hope not this could be terrified oh my god an idol that's not a word did y'all look at the jose go over well he's a quarterback with the other school yeah down right yeah yeah it was uh linfield i want to say as a private i want to say it was a private

school um yeah he's playing with the private school it was you know joe it was i would say it was more Joe and his parents, they started Valley Junior Golf, which was the junior tour that we all grew up playing. It all meant so much to us. I know it meant a lot to me to play in all of their tournaments. And Joe was always out there whenever he had time. Like if he was in college, I forget the timing. If he was in college then when we were playing, because he's four years older than me and he's eight years older than Rick. You're the middle child. On the middle child. Definitely. And just Valley Junior Golf was, such a it had such a huge impact on my life um just playing tournaments like they they had they left the door open for i guess for a lack of a better term like they gave everybody an opportunity to play tournament golf and in myrietta where when it wasn't very big like it just mirrietta when we grew up there was pretty small like it's huge now um just like southern california i mean anywhere in southern california everybody wants to live there it's just it's it's over conjunction justed. Everybody's, everybody's leaving now, but I really thought you think, because all you

made it out. And now you got like Kevin Dority's coming out. Like, he's another one. Like, dude, there's a nice little, like, it was a hotbed. Tree coming out of, out of Murrietta. It was a hotbed for sure, you know, and, um, I don't want to toot my own horn here. No, you can do it. Because self-suck is what we like to call on this show. That's what we're all about on this. A past guest. I, I, I just think, um, I just, I feel like I kind of set the bar for a lot of those guys in Marietta. I do. Shit, yes.

Like, I was very driven. Like, I wanted to go, I was one of the first ones to get a college scholarship like that in college. And I think a lot of guys looked up to that. Not to mention, not many of those guys could beat me back then. Rick, I mean, Rick was probably the only one that could beat me back then. You had game. There's no doubt.

Everybody, everybody knows that. They admit it. How tight were you and Rick? Like, he's four years younger than you, but like, coming up, you saw it like, all right, this is the next wave. He's clearly going to be good. But how close were you guys at that time? You know, we were, we've always been, we've always been really like good friends. Like I mean, we, it wasn't like I was talking to him every day or calling him. We were hanging

out. Like he had his group of friends. We never played together in high school because I'm four years older than he is, right? So it's like when I, when I graduated, he was coming in, which is kind of unfortunate. It would have been cool to play with Rick. But, you know, times where we were there, we'd go play Bear Creek or we'd play. We had a lot of mutual friends where, you know, a lot of good players, other players that didn't necessarily make it that we all knew and we'd all play together in Skins games at Bear Creek that have a Friday game there. We go to, you know, SCGA, which was our home course in high school, which is where Rick shot 62 in state. I was actually, I lived on the, we lived, my parents and I, we lived on the 11th green there.

And I went out there that day. I was in town. It was like my freshman year, I believe it's my freshman year of college and I was in town and I went out there and watched him. He shot 62. And I think it's still the course record today. But yeah, I was just, you know, Rick and I, we've always had a relationship. And I think we've always had a lot of respect for each other. There's just like an unwritten, like respect that we have for each other that's just, you know, like I've always respected his game and I've always knowing that he was going to do great things.

And, you know, I'd like to say that Rick's kind of had that kind of respect for me, too. Granted, I, you know, I never played on tour or anything. But, you know. Yeah, but I mean, he knows you had game, obviously, growing up. And you've been a great caddy out on the PJ tour. I want to know, like, how the job with him came about because obviously him and Joe Skowvern were together for a very long time. I mean, basically since the second Ricky Fowler term pro. Yeah.

And so when they split, I mean, it was, it was a big deal. And the question was, who's going to be Ricky Fowler's next caddy? And I know he was struggling a little bit, but that's still, that's a really. good bag and now Ricky's back to play in the way we know he should but what was it like for you I mean did you give him a call did you give his team a call like what was the interview process like to get that job yeah I um you know when I heard actually it's funny I texted scov um it might have been that Sunday of the Wyndham because they played the Wyndham and I believe they split that after the round that day and I texted him and I asked him a question about like hey are you going to

be in town this day or we're going to play golf? it was something to that extent. And he goes, blah, blah, blah. He goes, actually, Rick and I, we just split. He goes, I, uh, I recommended you for the job when I left. Oh, wow. And he goes, you, he goes, you do that, you know, do with it what you will, you know, whether you want to call Rick or if you just want to leave it alone or, and I'm like, you know,

at the time I'm catting for Nate Lashley. Yeah. And, you know, I'm not, I don't necessarily know if I was supposed to say that or if Joe wanted me to say that, but that, you know, I just feel like, no, that's a really cool thing of Joe to do. Really cool thing of Joe to do. And I've thanked him numerous times and thank him again. Scov, thank you, man. You know, it just, Joe's more like family to me than he is a friend. And that goes for his parents, just kind of like I said, going back to the Valley Junior Golf days of, you know, Joe's on the cart with the, with the jug of water. And he's asking, you know,

hey, you know, need some water, this and that. He just, you just. always kind of looked out after us and and yeah just um so getting back to the whole deal with rickie so i'm like okay wow like i i never ever thought that they would ever split up ever um so i got on my phone and i actually texted rick uh and and i never got a response because it was a couple days later and i said i get you know i'm thinking in my mind i'm like okay i get it he's going to need some time to think about it. And I'm sure everybody's calling him to, you know, say, hey, I'm the guy. I'd like to caddy for you, this and that.

Guys are flying out to his house. Maybe, you know, I don't know. I don't know. So I gave it some time. And I was visiting my mom in Vancouver, Washington, all my cousins out there. And this was like just before Christmas. And I'll never forget it. I was in an L.A. fitness.

I was working out one morning. And something told me to like send him another message. Like just say, hey, you know, have you found a caddy or have you thought about it? Or, you know, just can you give me something or? And so I actually, I saw it was on Instagram. I sent him a direct message on Instagram and two minutes later, he called me. And we talked for like 10, 15 minutes, just kind of caught up. And then he offered me the job.

He said, yeah, I'd like to have you come catty for me. for me and I said, I said, yeah, man. Absolutely. Let's slide in the DMs. It works. Everyone listening. Yeah. Slide into the DMs. All right. Some big news here from Subpar. We have officially launched our own YouTube page. Make sure to subscribe at Golf underscore Subpar on YouTube. Check out this week's video. Like, subscribe, do all the stuff. Colt, we got some cool behind the scene stuff coming and give you a little outside look at some of the stuff outside the studio. So please like.

Please subscribe. You're the best listeners in the game. We love you. back to the show. Explain this, because this happens a lot. It's a business out there in golf, right? You got a caddy player. Things changed. A lot of the times the caddy is the first one to get kicked to the curb if things aren't going well.

But there are times like this where you got a good bag with Nate, but also here comes another opportunity. Sure. What's that conversation like with Nate when all of a sudden you're like, dude, I got an opportunity with Ricky? Like, how do you break that to your current guy? I didn't think it was going to go well with name. Let me just say that.

going to go well. I didn't think it was going to go well. But it went, it went amazing. It did like Nate. Oh, really? Yeah. Props to Nate. Like, yeah, props to Nate. Nate, you know, I mean, I could do nothing but thank Nate just for, because I carried for Nate for about three years as well. Yeah, you had a good run too, by the way. We had a great run. He played great. And I just thanked him, man. I mean, that's pretty much what I did. I just said, thanks, Nate. Like, thank you for everything. I'm sorry. I have to leave. And you could tell he was very appreciative of that. And, yeah, I mean, Rick was kind of concerned about it too. Rick goes, well, what are you going to tell Nate?

And I was like, well, I said, I'm not going to tell him. You tell him. You tweet it. So tweet it, do something. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Have a press conference. Yeah. So I just, you know, I called Nate.

And like I said, I thanked him and he took it well. And yeah. And then I showed up. Actually, Rick wanted me to go and hang out with him for a couple days and do a little bit of work before we went to Napa last year. And so we went out to took me out to the grove. We got to play some golf. And I just got to kind of get a feel for his distances and stuff like that.

Which I kind of already had an idea on. But yeah, we showed up in Napa and he finished tied for sixth. And off and running, we went from there. You know, he just started building confidence, building confidence and building confidence. That's my question. Because obviously, I mean, you picked up the bag at a point where, like, I mean, he wasn't playing his best. I mean, this is a guy that... He was 185th in the world.

There you go, 185 in the world. A guy that's been a top five player in the world, finished top five in all four majors in one season. Like, I mean, he's been the guy. Yeah. And he was struggling. So what was that process like, you know, you pick up the bag? And like you said, first week out, you finished tied for sixth in Napa.

Yeah. So it's off to a really good start. But what was it like? Because, I mean, there's a lot of pressure on Ricky from the media because he gets so much attention. He has so many fans. Like, it's different than any other guy that was really good and then struggling. Yeah. I mean, he's Ricky Fowler.

So what was it like, you know, trying to help him get back to the Ricky Fowler vote? Well, I honestly think that it's a testament to all the hard work that Rick has put in with Butch. I mean, you can see it in Rick's swing videos, like how laid off he was before and trying to figure it out. And, you know, this isn't a knock on Tillery at all, this and that. They just, from what I understand, I wasn't around it at all. It was just like they were speaking a different language. Rick couldn't really put it together. Butch, him and Butch, or they just see eye to eye,

Butch can kind of put it to Rick in a certain way that he understands it because Rick's not a real technical guy. He's an unbelievable, he has unbelievable feel and unbelievable raw talent. To me, you know, he just, you're right. He's just a golf savant, you know, if you will. I mean, that's just kind of, that's the way I kind of look at him. And I know a lot of guys do. But, yeah, I honestly, grabbing the bag, I, I didn't know how it was going to go or could have gone shit.

You know, it was a four week, it was a four week trial. Rick's like it's going to be a four week trial. Just like it kind of is with everyone. They're not like, hey, yeah, you're going to cat him for me for 10 years. Like, that's what, you know, it's, there's no contracts. Like, you know, I can get fired anytime. And I just, I just, I just, I understand. Rick a lot. I understand how he is. I don't know. I guess it's just, uh, I know how to deal with Rick.

I don't look at Rick like a lot of people look at Rick. Does it if that makes sense. You know what I mean? He knew him before he was Ricky Fowler. Like he's, he's always been a friend of mine. I look at him the same way. Like he's, he treats me, he's always treated me with so much respect. And that was always kind of my thing with Joe and Rick was with all the success that they had like they never treated me any differently than they did when we were kids and I and that's always gone you know so far with me like it's just it's I have nothing but respect for both of them you know what's really cool about like that situation is that like Rick and Joe were together for so long right that was one of the longest relationships one of the closest relationships yeah they split Joe finds

a home with Tom Kim, they have success right away. You come on with Rick and you guys have success right. It was like happily ever after for both. But you know what I mean? It was like one takes off and the other one flounders. It was like boom, everybody's everybody's having success. I thought that was a really cool deal when it happened. But go into like the caddying for Rick. Because Ricky's a different monster than virtually than almost everybody else in the world of golf right in terms of the fans and stuff like that. How much more like involved you have to get with regulating fans and shit like that. Like the stuff that goes beyond,

here's your yardage, here's your wind. Yeah. Rick's fans are amazing. Like they're just, they're very respectful for the most part. We go overseas and guys get a little chippy, you know, want to take a shot at him,

this and that. But for the most part, you know, I just got to tell them to be quiet and move back a little bit because everybody wants to get close to Rick, you know, they want to like touch him or they want to get close you know which i i get it i understand rick

you know rick's rick but um no it's um the fans and stuff are amazing and it's so cool to be out there amongst all that and um just yeah taking all that in and and really i don't really get to enjoy it all that much because like we're in the heat of the battle you know it's like well i The fans are there and this and that and everybody's yelling, screaming, who are and hollering? But it's like, okay, we've, next shot. We've got a seminar and the pins back right. What are we, you know, what are we doing, you know?

But Rick is, he's amazing to caddy for, like, just the way that he treats you, as opposed to other guys that I work for that really can give it to you bad or, you know, which I get. Like, I understand. Like, you got to, you got to give it to somebody. You're like, I mean, it's, it's, it's, you're hitting the shots, but it's, if it's not you, it's, it's me, right? So I get it, you know, I totally get it.

But Rick's not like that, you know, he's, Rick is different for whatever reason. He's one of the classiest out there. There's no doubt. I mean, thought question. He is. Without question. Without a doubt. And, you know, everybody, it's, like, it's true.

Like, the guy is, is such a genuinely nice, good dude. like and I can say that like it's it's not a made up thing it's not like people are like he's he's been you know grilled on this like this is how you have to act like this is Rick this is how he acts like he he just gets it you know what I mean and it's very special to to Caddy for Rick you know and I don't take it for granted

at all and and you know honestly Rick is a little is I don't want to say easier to caddy for than other guys, but he doesn't demand a whole lot. The thing that I believe I help Rick with is, you know, when he's in between shots or like he's not really sure what to hit, like I know what he needs to hit. Like I'm like, Rick, it's not the seven.

You know, he's got a seven and eight. I'm like, it's the eight. It's not going to go past the pin. It's going to be a little short. If you hit it, get to the pin, but it's not going over. Or something like that to that kind of. extent. I don't read a lot of his pots, which if I was if I was playing and I had someone cadding for me, I'm not asking them to read my puts either. Like it's such a feel thing. You're,

you know, you're seeing the line, this and that. And that may be just me, but that's kind of how Rick goes about it as well. So, um, I think that's good. Yeah. And I mean, going back to like how genuinely is and how nice of a guy is like, I mean, in my job now, I go to the range before the guy's tee off. And he is probably by far, the most welcoming of the guys on the range. Like, I mean, I come up, I'm like, I don't want to interrupt your warmup, but I also want to talk a little bit, see what's going on. And he'll stop his warm up and turn around and talk to the point where I'm like,

Rick, you got to warm up and go. But I want to give you credit because at the U.S. Open this year, I passed, I ran into you on like Tuesday or Wednesday, and I was like, how's it going? You're like, it's coming. You said, it's coming. And I told a lot of people that I was like, look out. Yeah.

They're feeling it right now. And there you are. You find yourself in the final pairing at the U.S. Open. And I know it didn't go the way you wanted, but a few weeks later, you went in Detroit. And in my opinion, one of the greatest celebrations I've ever seen in the game of golf when Ricky made, no, not yours. Yours. Yours was not the best. We'll get yours in a second, Doc.

But Rickies, because everything he's been through over four years since he had won. And no fist pump, no nothing. It was just the shoulders just dropped. And it was like, holy shit. Thank God. It was like relief. You could see the monkey come off of his back. Like I think that's kind of why I reacted the way that I did.

I mean, honestly, I blacked out. When the putt went in, I just blacked out. It was just pure. You got this high off the ground, dog. You and Phil, they're measuring you and Phil. Like, who's higher? Who's got a higher jump? Yeah, yeah.

Well, you know, I just, I was just so happy for Rick, because I know I know the time he's put in. And it's not easy to come back in golf from, where he was in that place and golf beats you up. I mean, it punches you in the mouth more than it hugs you, right? I mean, and you lose a lot more than you win in this game.

Yeah, you do, you know, a lot more. And to see him kind of react like that, like I just, I mean, it was just,

and all the fans and just the atmosphere around that green, you know, you just felt, I glanced at the put. Like I walked by. I normally glanced at all. of his putts um but that one especially and i was like man this putts like left edge and i just don't think he's gonna miss you know and i was like if he's you know and and it came down to

him they oh who was it it was um morcau and hadwin had one had when had when had had had just burned the edge and then morocow had that chip and something inside of me just said that the dude's gonna make this man and like it just when it came off the putter got halfway there i was kind of creeping back there and looking at it and it went in and it was just you look like a jack in the box like someone was winding it and then when it went in you're bam it popped up there I had a picture of it it queued up here so I was going to show you how far he thought you got off the ground there but yeah you were you were it was the greatest like non-celebration celebration it wasn't even a cell he didn't do shit he just like oh like thank god it's over because like his expectation

I was like when's it going to happen when's it going to happen even though he was playing better it doesn't count until you win and then it finally did and I was like the weight off his shoulder. Holy shit, it had to be, it had to be like quantifiable at that point. Like, dude, he's a different dude now. I said on our serious XM show, it looked like me and John McGinnis got off his back when that put went in. Yeah, a couple of silverbacks. Silverback gorilla's just jump off that thing. I'm serious question. Why are you so nice in Detroit? Yeah. It's seriously auction yourself off for like a Monday qualifier. Somebody that needs like a ticket to the, so you know what I mean, who wants me? It's 75% of the paycheck, but you're going to have a tour card.

You went again, Eminem's going to start getting nervous. You might be taking over his town. Yeah, Dan Campbell, Marshall will be coming out? Yeah, no, you know, I have such a good relationship with the Rocket Mortgage folks there, Casey Herbis, who's the CMO and everybody with Rocket Mortgage that is a part of the tournament. I'm leaving out a lot of names, but there's just the vibe there. ever since Nate and I won there in 19 the vibe has just been amazing and they've always taken care of me since then and I just enjoy going back there and being a part of the tournament plus it's a really cool course it is a cool course it's it's kind of unlike any course we play on tour

it's it's not very long it's old school big trees been there forever you don't have to bomb it to play well um but no just the vibe I got a good buddy who actually lives here in town that is from Michigan that spends the summers there and I stay with him and yeah it's a good event you're adopted child of Detroit yeah I might have to get a place there for the summer maybe one of these days that might be in maybe in my future run yeah they got some good bass fishing up there yeah too yeah you are a big fisherman which we'll get into in a little bit but obviously with this great play it led to rickie being a captain's selection for the rider cup yeah go over to rome part of team you

USA. Which was a big goal of ours. For sure. Which, you know, we didn't really talk about it a lot, but I knew it was a big goal for Rick to make the Ryder Cup. And I knew we, obviously, we had to win to kind of get in that conversation. And he did. Yeah. And he got a captain's pick. Yeah. And it was one. I mean, some people might have questioned it, but not many, honestly. Like, I mean, they knew he played well. Ricky Fowler, I mean, he's a team guy. He belonged on that team. But going over, that's your first time in a Rider Cup. You're going over there to across the pond and not the most welcoming environment. But what was the week like for you? I know obviously it didn't go the way you wanted

with you all finished second. You only played twice. Sure. Because of some certain things. But what was it like for you as a caddy? I mean, stepping out there on the tunnel, that first tea with that arena there in Rome. Can't even describe it. It was, I mean, it gives you the chills. I think we were coming off. We were coming off the tea there. And I think it was either Davis Love. or Freddy. And I just remember telling them like, man, like I've still got the goosebumps. Just, you know, there's nothing like a first, that first tee in a rider cup. And Bones actually told me, he goes, if you guys aren't playing in the morning, he goes,

you do not want to miss that first tee. He goes, just make sure that you're there. And I go, yeah, I said, absolutely. Bones, anything else you want me to do? I said, you know, because he's been, and Bones has been so great to me, who's also a great friend of scoffs and you know um he's just kind of taking me under his wing a little bit and kind of guided me in a you know in a way and just always has something nice to say and always comes up and says hi and um but yeah no you know being on that team you know it's my first rider

cup and as a caddy and it was just uh it was amazing even though we didn't win and you know we had a chance to win there with about an hour to go You know, after being... It got tight. After being down as much as we were, you know, we hung in there. We gave it a good run there at the end. And, you know, unfortunately, we just fell a little bit short. When did you guys realize like, oh, because you guys were late in the game and it was like,

it might not even, it could be mathematically over after four matches, you know, after the first four go off. And then all of a sudden, sure, start turning and start turning. When did you realize like, holy shit, like we might calculate into this thing? I thought about it the night before, actually. I was like, man, I was like, if we win... we started winning up front there, you know, because Luke put out his big guns, obviously. There was like three or four guys, you know, his best guns. He was trying to end it early.

He was. You could tell. Just by looking at the pairings, he was really trying to force the issue there. And our guys, they showed up. They were performing well. And, yeah, it just, you know, it came down. I mean, I don't want to say it came down to our match. I just, you know, it was a three-day tournament, you know, it just, situationally. You know, Rick took on that T shot.

You know, I give him a lot of credit. Rick's, you know, I mean, the balls to take on that T shot on that driverable par four. Like he was trying to hit it on that green or trying to hit it at the flag. I mean, didn't really have a choice. But most guys I just think are going to be bailing out there to the left and, you know, just kind of going from there. Which wasn't really an easy shot over there from the left either. Not where that whole location was. No, not at all.

And right. That was such a great hole for the Rider Cup. Where that was in the round and everything. Awesome. But going back to Rick, like playing twice. I mean, there was reports early in the week that he was sick under the weather. Yeah. Were you all surprised that, one, that he went out Friday morning and two, that he only ended up playing twice for the week? And you can obviously certain things stay in the team room, so you don't have to. Sure. You tell us whatever you want. Yeah, no, no, no, no. I, um, I, I, I, I wasn't surprised that he played Friday morning at all.

No, I, I wasn't. I just, um, I was surprised he only played twice. And, and I get it, you know, he wasn't feeling well. I guess the week before he had a sinus infection and it kind of was lingering on, um, when we showed up in Rome. And, um, I ended up getting sick, too. And I think quite a few other guys on the team got sick to. So I think Zach was just. You know, it's a little weary baby, if you will.

I mean, that's just my opinion on it. I don't necessarily know if that's true. But, you know, at the end of the day, it was Zach's team. And that was the decision that Zach made. And I have nothing but respect for Zach in the decision that he made in who he put out there. I mean, it's his team. So, you know. It's one of those things like he and I talk about it.

And we beat that thing to death because we're on air for a million hours, before. It's like it's so easy to second guess after the fact. If you don't come out before this stuff or as soon as they're announced and question it then it's like dude I don't want to hear shit after the fact if they don't win because there were some other pairings by the way that I was like wow that's an odd one I didn't expect them to go and then they won and like everyone's like great call smart just I was like if that team lost like they would have butchered him for it you know it's right the second guessing is it's we inside's always 20 20 yeah it's easy to go back oh you shouldn't play it like you should have took him

I didn't expect morca was it more Colin Burns to go out and then they won four killed a four and three. And I was like, that would have been one if they lose four and three. If you flip that, it's boom. Yeah. And, you know, you were there. You know everything that was going on. And, you know, obviously that report came out with the whole hat thing with Patrick

Cantlay. And the part that bothered me the most about the report wasn't the hat thing and the players wanted to get paid because first off, if Patrick Cantley wants to get paid, he's not the first person. Sure. Devere. I mean, that's been going on for years. But the thing that bothered me was saying that he's caused a fractured locker room.

And I think that was one thing that never was confirmed. And you were there and all the players come out and say that's bullshit like we were very close and as a guy that was there I mean did you see anything where there was any kind of conflict between the team at all? None whatsoever. The only thing like I said like we've talked about this with my first Rider Cup so I don't know how teams were in the past. But the feel was that this was one of the more tighter knit groups of players and that was the feel that I had. You know, everybody was just, you know, it wasn't.

wasn't like Patrick's an outcast or you know he's trying to do this. I mean honestly the guy was getting married Patrick was getting married on Monday. Um, you know, it was it wasn't about getting paid. It was it wasn't about that. I mean, it was it was more of I believe this is my take on it. Forehead tan. Yeah. We don't want to have the farmers tan. We're getting married and roll. Is it for forever? Yeah. And any in and and and in and he doesn't really like wearing hats from what I understand, like hats don't fit his head very well. So it's like, if I don't have to wear a hat, like, why am I going to wear one anyway? So, you know, it has nothing to do with getting paid. He made that comment to Steve Sands. Like, I don't know if it was joking, if it was serious,

where he's like, hey, when I get paid like he does, I'll wear a hat and all this. He didn't wear a hat in 21. Yeah. Went over at Whistling Strais. And no one said he was protesting for money or anything like that. So that's right a problem with it. And like, whatever. If he wants to get paid, that's up to him. Like, I get it. I mean, this, this is a tournament that makes The PGA of America, the DP World Tour, a lot of money. Right. And the players don't make anything. I know they get $200,000 to donate to their charity.

If they want to get paid, that's fine. But it's not going to take away from Patrick Cantley playing well in the Ryder Cup. If you don't think he cared, you're out of your mind. Just look at the finish on Saturday when he went Bertie, Bertie, Bertie, Birdie, Bertie, Bertie, 17, 18. That's right. I mean, you're playing for your country. At the end of the day, it's not about the money.

It's not about anything, but the USA and bringing, that rider cup back to the states man i mean that's really what it's all about and when you're out there in the heat of the battle that's all that matters would you say that's like the highlight of your caddian career so far being a part of that definitely yeah definitely that and and you know the wins i mean that that win with rick and just what it meant um was just very special and it will will you know always be something that i will um look back on as is like a highlight of my caddy career for sure Brighter cups definitely. Yeah, I mean...

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And do you think you should get a cut of all the ones Odyssey? 100% you should be getting royalties. Well, all right, well, let's just, let's just start in the beginning. Start in the beginning. It was Charlie's putter. Yeah. CB, Charlie Bellagint. It was his putter.

And I remember the morning when I discovered the putter. It was on, he had an RV. And we were at Quail Hollow. It was like Monday morning. I went bass fishing on the pond there. It was like, I woke up at dark, went out there, fish for a couple hours. And Charlie's like, we're not doing anything until the afternoon. I was like, okay.

I'm going to go fish. a couple hours and I'll be back. So he had a couple slides on on the side of the RV and he gave me a slide to like keep some fishing rods, my golf clubs. And I saw like when I pulled my slide out, I saw this putter with this big long grip. And this was in like, this was in like 13. So we'll say 10 years ago. And I remember pulling it out and it was like, man, like this thing is so stable. Like, you know, it doesn't wave at all. Like, uh, and I was. And I was. And I remember pulling it out and it was like, like, man, this thing is so stable. Like, you know, it doesn't wave at all like uh and i was like hey charlie you mind if i are you using this like i knew he wasn't using it was just in there who knows how long it was in there for you know and um he's like yeah no

it's all yours you know take it and i still have i mean i still have that pot that exact putter with that grip i should have brought it actually for you guys to see um which i've retired now the o g but the o g it's the ogy um and i had it and so i used it i used it i used it i used it um i didn't actually use it on the mini tours because like i said that when i started caddy in for charlie is when i hung them up um and i have always you know if you ask any of my friends um that we play like money games with you know back in mesa that just that i think they would say that i'm a good partner you know and um you know yeah you know rick there made another 30 foot or whatever blah blah anyways um so the long and the short of it is we're in

Palm Springs last year. We're at the Madison Club. This is on like a Monday, I want to say. We're playing. Rick's like, hey, do you want to go play, you know, play some golf this afternoon? We're going to go over to Madison. I'm like, yeah, sure. Whatever.

So we're on the putting green, warming up, ready to go to the first tee. And I hit a couple putts. And I made a couple putts. And I remember him like kind of looking over. I just remember him like, he's like, hey, he's like, hey, can I see that part? And I'm like, yeah, sure. Yeah, here you go. So I hand it to him.

I'm like, I'm not thinking anything of it. And he rolls a couple pots. And he's like, okay, cool. He hands it back to me. So we played nine holes that day. And on every green, he grabbed my putter. He was like, hey, can I use it? When we got to the fourth green, he makes a comment and says,

this putter is like cheating. That's what he said. And at that moment, a light bulb just went off in my head. I'm like, because, you know, for the last year I've seen Rick with like five, six, seven, eight different putters. Like he's searching, you know, he's trying to find

different putters and, and I'm like, holy shit, like, if we, is he going to get another putter made? And I, and I didn't suggest any of that. But when we got done, he goes, hey, would you mind if I borrowed your putter for a couple days to have the guys from Odyssey

make a replica of it? And I'm like, yeah, sure. I said, and if they can't, you can just have mine. I was like, just take it. Like, I don't need it, you know, as long as you're making putts. You make it's all I care about. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. The putts you make are worth a lot more than the ones I make.

That's right. Yeah, a lot more. So, yeah, you know, and they ended up making an exact replica, I believe it's 630 grams, the putter, how much it weighs. And he put it in play that week, and he's been using it ever since. It's just the best club you've ever given him. Best club I ever given him. I guess you could say that. And then Dube picks it up down at medalists or whatever they were playing.

I got to watch Rick make a bunch. I got to watch Dube beat us in the final round of the U.S. Open. Should have waited longer. Yeah. Imagine if y'all didn't play that round together. I know. Before. Well, the thing is I just I just wish that nobody like had the opportunity to try it.

You know, obviously you can't hide it, you know. And it was, it definitely was a little gut wrenching to watch Dub when the U.S. Open. with that putter. But hey, as long as Rick's making putts, getting back to the whole Odyssey thing and should they pay me, this and that. Listen, I'm not the one that really,

Rick asked to use my putter. He's the one that made it popular. Well, that putter was old and it went away for a while. They stopped making it. But because of the success Ricky and Wyndham had with it, they brought it back and now are you selling it? We got DMs about because I had a few. Okay.

This son bitch over here tried to hide him from me and act like he was going to eBay him from me one day when I was in home. I jacked to, they were short though. They weren't like the lump, but I was like, dude, you can easily just add length of this and throw the right grip on there. Make it 39 inches, put some weight on the bottom. Bam, you got it. Yeah. I hit them. They're in his garage somewhere.

I don't know where they are now. Now they sell the exact model. Did you? Yeah. What'd you say? Had a guy offered me three grand for one. Dude, like these things pop. They started making the exact replica like selling them.

I'm like, dude, this is a resurgence. And now you see how many guys, even if they're not using that Justin Thomas switch to that counterbalance quickly thereafter to try it for like a week or two. But now you look out there and there's so many guys using like the whatever you want to call it, the counterbalance. Yeah, I guess Odyssey, the day that they released the putter, which was like, I don't know how many it was, 2000 or 4,000 putters. Like it crashed their website.

It was, I get, from what I was told by the Odyssey people, it was the best, single-handedly the best day of putter sales they've ever had in the companies. And for all you people out there, yes, go buy them from Odyssey. It's a great brand. Love Calloway. But also, you're not Ricky Fowler, Wyndham Clark. The people holding the putter might have a little something to do with it. That's true.

Belgian is actually the one that should be like, dude. Charlie, that's my shit. I created that. Charlie created it. He built that when nobody created that. You know what I mean? It's just like the museum. Like, it's 39 inches is a tweener.

I knew you had to get the museum in there somehow. Self-sucked $20. you each boat to the pot. Charlie would hold it. Charlie held it like a regular putter because he's such a tall dude. Yeah. It was like a regular putter for him. I think he used that on the Jicks, if I'm not mistaken.

He probably did. And then it was like a backup. The jail barred on tour. Yeah. Yeah. That's awesome. That's a great story. I was going to talk about your Broncos because both of your fans, but they suck.

So let's just get to the nine. Yeah. In a few minutes, we're going to get our shin kicks. Yeah, we've been to go. You're playing the chiefs here shortly. I don't want to talk about them. Not today. All right.

Okay. Let's get to the United. I think we should go with the alternate E9 question to start. Yeah. Because he is a single man. Celebrity crush. Growing up or current. Pamela Anderson, without a doubt, hands down.

Hey, dirty. Dirty. Dirty. Dirty bird. You know, it's quick as shit. I don't even need to think about that. Her or Carmen Electra. Like, I mean, but Pamela Anderson.

If you're in our age bracket, whatever that is, and one of them don't come up design. Like she was just, I choose Carmen. Carmen was in. Oh, man. Oh, man. Let's take a breather.

We'll get back. All right. I'll give you a real one first off. Give me one jickey Jack player you played with that you are most surprised, never made it on tour. Jesse Mueller. Rudy. I thought you were begging for him to say your name.

No, I'm not that guy. I don't see much of the fuck up. Definitely, definitely slees, too. He was, you're a hell of a player. I mean, we played together. When did you graduate T. you oh seven oh seven so yeah we're the same i think we're the same yeah you had a lot of jicks yeah you guys yeah i mean we did jesse mueller though um jesse muller yeah he man he was nice he was nice

especially around this area knew all these track he could just shoot 62 more often than anybody without a doubt i mean i just for whatever reason um i was gonna say erin wakins but he got a tour car yeah he was got a good erin wakins story that's not appropriate for for air. Jesse was super nice, but the difference between Jesse and Charlie, it was like, Charlie could fly at 310, and Jesse could fly at 277.

Right. And then chase it out there. And it's like, when you get to the big boy level, it was still is. He's still super nice. He'll be seen it up again. He plays in more majors now. Fuck, dude. The guy wins every section of it in the world. Did you know? I know. Did you know that the winner of the Southwest section, obviously gets in the WM Phoenix Open? A woman

won this year. No. I did not. Yes. But, but they got play from 80% the yardage and apparently I learned this all recently because I was like hold on does that mean a woman is going to be teeing it up in the WM Phoenix Open because that will be insane but apparently the way the regulations are you have to play the full yardage so the runner up gets in which is just

it was just it's like his fifth start he gets more starts now fun fact of the day since he quote unquote quit than he ever did when he was playing that's true he can go he can go he was a big surprise to me he um one of the better putters I I've seen he always had that like uh it's like a toe hang blue face pink butter than he was forever um and he was just such a great dude you know i always i played a lot of practice rounds with him and charlie and kendal critchfield and um and a dub and wakins yeah we got was kind of our crew out there all right

speaking of going low how many times have you broke 60 i have broken 65 times damn um and there's an asterisk next to there should be it should be six one more that was wild right 14 under through 14 correct yes that that is a true story I have about 10 witnesses to that day it was we're playing a skins game at a course called painted mountain it's in mesa it's like 6400 yards that it's not the greens are pretty flat um but yeah and at the time honestly I didn't even know like one of my buddies was keeping score. We're playing skins. And also at the time, I didn't have a penny to my name. It was like, how am I going to eat dinner tonight? Or how am I going to pay my car payment, this and that? So I'm literally, I'm going out there in like a 15, or it was like a 12 dude. It was a 12 man skins game.

And we all played in the same group. We're all playing together. And my buddy came up to me on 13. And he was like, do you realize how I knew I'd made like three eagles. I made like three eagles. And he goes, do you realize how many under par you are? And I'm like, no. he goes you're 13 under through 13 and it's getting dark like well there's no way we're going to finish and I'm like holy shit you know whatever I'm so I was like I was more concerned with the skins I'm like I said how are the skins that much money is that worth yeah exactly I was like how much money is worth I could give a shit that I was 13 under so we go to 14 I've already 14 and it's pitch black and we go in and we go in and I ended up sweeping all the skins that day was worth about 500 and like 37 dollars

and not that's too specific My last give or take. It was, yeah, it was something like that. I can't really remember. I kind of, yeah, yeah. And that's all I cared about, man. You know, I have like, Paul Tesori, he always comes up to me and is like, do you realize you could have played the greatest round of golf ever in the history of golf, whatever?

And I'm like, at the time, I said, Paul, now looking back on it, I probably should have had everybody drive their cars out there and I played under the lights to finish. But at the time, I was only concerned about the money. I was like, I got to eat dinner tonight, man. That's fair. Could you not like, I mean, would it not count if you, I mean, if you finish? If you happened on PJ tour, that's a real round. And like, brought a few of the guys back, all right, I got to finish this round of him.

14 under 314. I can make history here. He's too busy blowing that 537. Hey, like I said, man, I don't know. It was just, I had a different mindset. I was just, I was more concerned about how I was going to eat dinner, how I was going to pay my, how I was going to pay my, how I was going to pay my, rent um damn 14 through 14 who just real yeah i don't give a shoot what course it broke 65 times i mean that's nuts yeah all 59s or was there 58 in there i've shot 58 twice yes okay i've shot 58

twice um yeah i mean my lowest round in a tournament is 61 it that was in the parker open at i believe it's emerald canyon it's over there in parker arizona near avasu um which i think is still the course record today. But yeah, my lowest round in term in 61 and I have broke 65 times. That's sick. Good for you. Thank you. That's golfing. Thank you.

537. 537. More or less, give or take. It was something. It was 5 something. They call it. Like, we didn't get 18 in. The whole game's void.

Like, no, motherfucker. I'm going to eat that 537. Just give me the money. It's all I cared about. All right. Caddy question. The poker games that go on out there. I know you're playing them occasionally.

I don't know if you're regular. but which caddy do you think loses the highest percentage of his annual salary in the poker games? Okay, that's a really good question. Normally these poker games go on like overseas. Like we're going to Japan next week and we normally have a decent game there. Like where guys just play, we go up to like their restaurant. They close down and we play a game there. I want to comment on who the best poker player is that is a caddy and that is hands down Michael Greller.

I believe that. He is a shark, bro. And you don't want to out the sucker because he don't know he's a sucker and he won't play anymore. Yeah, who would you just most like to invite? He's the best company. John Ellis, he's fine.

John Ellis says he hangs. No, John Ellis is a good card player. Oh, don't out the sucker. I'm on your side on this one. Yeah, I don't, you know, I don't even want to say anything. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I want to talk about, I want to talk about Greller and his skill because he is,

he's amazing to play with he's intimidating he puts the pressure on you like if you play hold them like i mean you know like the dude doesn't even have to look at his cards it's scary like he really doesn't he's that good at the game and in and and he like he makes you feel that way on the table too it's i like that it's something like he's taking we played a game in harris we played in their like game one here and and he put me on like it was between him and i and i you know I'm thinking it's gonna be friendly and like I had a good hand and he had obviously a better hand and he was like just betting into me and I kept calling I thought he was I thought he was bluff and I'm like you're full of shit girl they're like there's there's no way and he ended up having it

and took me for like six or seven hundred dollars on the hand and I'm like dude I thought I was like of all people I'm gonna get in a hand with like I gotta give you my money like I thought we were friends you know or this and that and it was just um but no to answer your question I mean to not answer your question like Greller is yeah don't answer the question I'm with he's he's he's a ham so stay away from Greler yeah stay away from him on the card tape his name's come up multiple times so he must be the dude he is good next one talked earlier you're huge fish you're big fisherman yes you're very good at it yes you better catching fish or women definitely fish have you caught a bigger fish or what's the biggest one of each no okay

you know I'm a pretty short statured dude which women kind of like, you know, they like the tall, tall dudes. Like, you know, you got to be tall, like, pull the chicks and buck. I'm like, I'm just a little guy, dude. So your answer to sleazy's question is fish out, because I believe you caught a fish that weighed over 500 pounds. You caught a monster, right? Unless you've tackled a sumo wrestler or something. Yeah, we did.

We caught, um, we caught a thresher shark that was in Oceanside Harbor. So back early, like when I first graduated college, I'd go. to Oceanside, one of my best friends, Ryan Block, who actually Rick, Rick knows, he runs a sports fishing boat out of San Diego now, but at the time he was running a sports fishing boat out of Oceanside Harbor. And he had, he had his own like six-pack boat. It was called the knucklehead and we'd go out there. And one day he was like, hey, we're going to go shark fishing. And I'm like, okay, I said, how do you do that? You know, he goes, well, we're going to go out here into this canyon and we're going to troll and we're trolling for hours, man. It's like people are dozing off,

this and that and I'm in the back of the boat and I watch this rod like kind of bounce like that and I'm like hey block dude something just hit that rod and he's like oh shit he goes it's probably like a thresher shark or something and I'm like okay so he like stopped the boat and he started winding this thing in it was like a little they called it like a batomatic it was like a skirted deal and it had a mackerel on it and he winds it in he kills it right at the boat and this shark comes up literally from me to almost from me to you it was right at the back of the boat no no And this like, I think it was 564 pound thresher shark comes up and swallows this bait and block just jacks this thing. And it starts taking off. And there was three other guys on the boat with us. It took us a good three hours to get this thing to the boat. And it went around the, it went around his boat. I'm not shitting you like three or four or five hundred times. Like we're, we're all like working together. Like. And what do you do with it after you finally? You know what you catch a shark? We drug. We drug it back. we couldn't get it into the boat because it was so heavy like just the dead weight of it we couldn't

we didn't have like a wench or anything to like get it in the boat and um so we dragged it we like tied it to the back and we had to go real slow and we got it to the harbor and a couple of guys had um commercial fishing licenses so they sold it they like you know they like cut it up and sold it to whoever they sold it to and made a few bucks and that was it you know we got a picture of it and sick yeah yeah yeah it's way easier than catching women Way you usually catch the women, bro. Yeah, it's a lot less of a headache, too. That's for sure.

That's real fish. That's real fishing. Yeah. All right, props, see you on the thresher shark. Yeah. All right, my next one. Zurich Classic turns into player caddy tournament. Who wins?

Rick and I. Are you the betting favorites? I mean, I say that kind of selfishly. Yeah, you should. There's some good squads out there. There's some good squads. I would say JJ, Jakovac and Collinmore Cowell, that would be a good one. Ellis and Wyndham.

Depending on the course, Griner and Max. Griner and Max. Yep, yep. That would be a great event, by the way. That would draw so many people watching, I feel like, compared to a normal run of the mill. I've had this conversation with... Be a great call. Numerous people, and they all say the same thing.

It would be great, but the problem is there's very few Ricky Ramonos. You could be on tour. and Joe Griners and John Ellis is out there. There's some caddies that have no chance. It'd be a 10-man field. Yeah, it wouldn't be the hugest field. So maybe they do that. Maybe do like a 20-d-end.

Yeah, just a little invitational. And the winner gets in the masters. Maybe it's a signature event for $4.7 million. You know what I mean? Who knows? Who knows what they could do? That would be cool. But, you know, maybe they do do something like that.

And kind of to your guys's point, yeah, you know, there, there isn't, I mean, there's a lot more playing caddies now than I feel like there ever was. Yeah. But, yeah, I don't think everybody would be able to participate. It would be a monstrous feel, but you could put enough together to make an interesting tournament. And I think fans, I think they would love it. I think they would love it. More importantly, right, I think the fans, I think it'd be good for TV.

So, yeah, maybe. It'd be fun. I would like to actually watch it. Do that. Do like five player caddies. Yeah, like a handful, the ones that make sense. I like that. All right.

Next one. You know, caddies are known for being very prompt, being very on time because, you know, they work for somebody else. You showed up 10 minutes late to this podcast. Was this the latest you've ever been for anything? No. Did you catch more shit for this or from one of your players? Well, you know what? Actually, so he must have spilled the beans to you guys.

I'm guessing this is a conversation you guys have with Charlie about me being late. I've known nothing. No, dude. I honestly just came up with this because you showed up 10 minutes late. Okay, well, no, actually, funny enough, in Houston, I'm caddying for Charlie, and it was at Redstone, which actually was our home course in college. And I'm staying in the woodlands, which is about 30 minutes away if there's not any traffic. And it wouldn't really have mattered if there was traffic or not. My alarm never went off.

I never, I ended up waking up, like, as I was supposed to beat me. meeting Charlie in the morning on the putting green with Gabe, his short game coach at the time. And I called him and told him. And literally, I mean, I was, I think that's the fastest I've ever driven on a highway. And I remember sprinting from the parking lot to the putting green because he said he was on the putting green still. And he told me, Charlie told me, he goes, if you weren't running to the putting green, he goes, I was going to fire you. And I'm like, dude, I said, I thought you were going to fire me anyway.

So, I mean, this is a total W. Like, I mean. I didn't even drive fast. Of course. I just prayed when I got here. Yeah, I mean, you know, you got to be fashionably laid a little bit, right? Yeah, let them know. Just not caddying.

Just not caddying. Don't shit, no. That's 712. Tita means 712. Oof. That's a tough one. That actually worked out perfectly. We didn't even know anything about that story.

Okay. Yeah, that was just a random. Yeah. Worked out. Last one for me. Do you and Ricky ever argue about who the fans are actually talking to when they yell out big dick Rick? Everything is like, dude, that's me. This is, this is hilarious now.

So Rick, this and that and guys are like, hey, do you ever get tired of hearing your name? I don't even respond to Ricky anymore when we're out there. like Rick's had to like yell at me a couple times like he's like hey Rick and I'm just walking you know because like I I hear it all day you know so it's like I don't I'm just like they're not talking to me you know and like there's been a couple times where Rick's like Rick like Rick and I'm like what do you want what's up dude I'm like he's like oh I need a water or whatever you know has question like I don't even respond to my name anymore you got the most fans on tour as a caddy I think you're right.

Just Ricky Zepard. Just indirectly. Side question, can you confirm that the nickname is actually true? I can't. Oh, wow. If you were saying yes. I know you. I know you're probably hoping that I said yes.

Wow. All right. Maybe we need to talk to Allison. That's a whole other conversation. All right. Last one. You've been out there a long time. You've seen a lot of caddies come and go.

Who's the most attractive caddy you've ever come across? jump out of you. Who's the most attractive? Yeah, could be non-domestic type of an event. That's right. You've caddied a couple times on tour. The most attractive caddy.

I mean, anything ringing a bell? John LaMoney. I knew he's going to say that. I told him today he's going to say that. That would be LaMoney. Wow. I mean, what happened about the girl is Zoso?

You just over her ready? I thought that was real. We're talking about... I thought it was loud. I said most attractive cat you've ever come across and you went with John Lamonti. I didn't think that would be the answer. Yeah, that's shocked everyone.

I was going to say, is this a loaded question? Scott's going to be pissed, but the girl is... Might as well hear about the Zoso. She's... I didn't know about this girl because I mean, everyone... Who told you about this? I want to know. I just...

I've asked several people. to give me something on you, and everyone says, asking about the caddy at Zozo. Every single person said the same thing. I do have a crush on one of the caddies there. I'll come out and say it. There's no doubt. She was in our pro-am group last year. And for whatever reason, I was like, I'm just going to.

Well, you're going there next week. I'm going to take a shot. Yeah. I'm going to see her. Yeah. I've already talked to her. Oh, you're communicating. Yeah, we're communicating.

She doesn't speak any English. So how do you communicate? And I don't speak any Japanese. It's like more of like a phone thing. And we got a translator that comes to dinner and, you know, does this is a picture communication? Oh my God. What a way to end it.

That is fantastic. Hey, good luck to you. Hey, good luck to you over there. On and off the coach spot. Oh, man. Dude, thanks for joining us. That was Ricky Romano. We love you.

Wow. All right. That was Ricky Romano. Joining us on subpar. Pretty unbelievable to be a catty. and has broke 60, four times. Once, 14 under through 14, no big deal. The man's got a lot of game.

Just shows you sleeves how hard it is to make it out there on the PGA tour. There's a lot of these caddies now that are like former players. They were really good players, either jicky jack, cornfrey tour, some tour guys out there. Ricky Romano definitely fits that. He and I spent a lot of times traveling around the jicks together. And good for him, man. He came out. Cadding wasn't even on his radar.

Charlie, Belgian, shout out, gives him an opportunity. They go out, play great. boom, all of a sudden it's a career. He's landed in a spot man with Ricky Fowler, who's one of the best dudes out there. I think, and Ricky is an extremely loyal guy as well. I expect that partnership to go on for a long time, and why wouldn't it? They've had a huge success just in their first year. Yeah, it was awesome to see Ricky get that first win in over four years, and then be on that Ryder Cup team, some great stories for that. But always fun sitting down with the caddies.

Cole, real quick. He's headed over to Japan. As we speak, just texted with him. He just landed. This could be a little, this is his opportunity for a little love reunion. You know what I mean? The one that got away. Big week for him. His second most attractive caddy he's ever come across next to John LaMoney. Right. Shout out Lamani on that.

That's a nice, we knew it was coming too. But yeah, there's a big week on and off the course for both Rickies. Well, it's the Zosho Championship this week. Ricky Fowler will be one of the favorites. Zander Shofley is your betting favorite. For me, I'm going to go with the hometown guy. I mean, he's playing in front of his home. country. He's going to have more support than anybody out there. I'm going Hideki Matsiyama at 14 to 1 for my

favorite. Okay. I like that. It'd be nice to see Hideki slip down those official world golf rankings just a little bit. Colt, I'm going with my gut and I'm going with my heart. My guy, All Sleez team. I'm putting him in the same vein as Kiridek Alpha Barnrat as guys on the all slees team. I love him. Give me Min Woo Lee going off at 14 to 1. Just won the Macau open this past week. Shot 30 under. The kid has so much offense. I think he's an up. up-and-coming superstar, and I just love the dude a lot. He's probably my one guy who would you like to have on subpar the most. It's probably Minwood Lee, so I'm taking him.

No questions asked. I knew you're going to take him. All right, my Dark Horse almost hit last week. This week I'm going for one, not quite as good odds, but 45 to 1. He's been knocking on the door. Coming off a career year on the PGA tour, give me Adam Shank at 45 to 1. The man is playing some good golf. Seems to be up there a lot of late.

I'm going to go with a guy. similar odds. He's 50 to 1, also playing really good golf. Also been kind of hanging around the hoop for a while in terms of trying to pick off a win on the PGA tour. Just spoke with him on the phone, actually, and he loves where his golf game's at. So give me Bo Hossler, the Boas show, 50 to 1. Yep, he was up there last week. It was like he was going to have a chance. I like that pick. All right, I got to head to the T. Special thanks to Bellar Country Club, the Friends of Golf, and Mr. David Pottis, the director of golf out here for letting me use his office. Sleece, you're looking great in those sunglasses, my man.

The lights are never too bright for you. You can't see this, but it's brutal, dude. It's not a good look right now, so these will be on for the foreseeable future. Hey, go out there, have yourself a day. Be great, but be grateful. You know what I mean? Represent the brand. You got it.

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