Subpar - How to improve your chipping with Short Game Chef Parker McLachlin

Episode Date: March 19, 2024

On this week's episode of GOLF's Subpar, PGA Tour winner Parker McLachlin joins Colt Knost and Drew Stoltz for an exclusive interview. The Short Game Chef talks how he started working with other Tour players, the worst case of the yips he's ever seen and playing President Barack Obama in basketball. -- Our sponsor Cincoro creates Tequila that is ultra smooth, rich, and delicious with a long luxurious finish.  If you’re interested in learning more about Cincoro, the story behind the brand and its founders you can follow them on Instagram @cincoro or visit their website, Cincoro.com -- Subscribe Now: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCt5ESUx6omMUsMoEKvMTzlA Shop The Birdie Juice Collection: https://fairwayjockey.com/collections/birdie-juice Follow Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/golf_subpar/?hl=en Follow Twitter: https://twitter.com/golf_subpar?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

All right, here we go. Time for another episode of golf subpar. Well, it's another, another week's lees, but not a surprise. World number one dominates again, just an incredible final round from Scotty Sheffler winning back-to-back players championships. The first time this has ever happened in the 50 years with a final round 64. I mean, the man started off five shots back, had a hurt neck. Was there ever any doubt? No. Actually, yeah, there was some doubt. I would say there was some doubt, but like, dude, more than anything, just like, what a week. We finally had one. You know, we've been talking about where are the stars, where are the big name players? And then, you know, at the big name events. And then we get Scotty Schaeffler at Bay Hill played

unbelievably. We're probably taking it for granted at this point. But like, we didn't have the dramatic finish. Right. It was just a runaway. It's like you could have turned that thing off on the back nine more or less like Scotty ain't losing this thing. Finally, for the first time this year, we got a big event with big names and we got a dramatic finish on without question, like the most dramatic closing holes in golf, dude. And it was unbelievable. I mean, it was spectacular. You got world number one doing world number one things.

You got Wyndham Clark, who's now top five in the world, fourth in the world golf rankings. Probably the second best player to Scotty at this point in the world right now. You got Schaeffler, Wyndham, Harmon, Zander, all battling. Like, we finally got it. And it was a hell of a week. It was the most fun I've had watching golf in a long time. I watched every second of it. I mean, my hands were sweating with those guys coming down the stretch.

It was one of those. Wyndham had a five-shot lead after 36 holes. And at not at one point did I ever be like, okay, this is going to be a runaway. This golf course, having played it many of times in the past, it's so hard to be a leader around there because you just know at any moment you could lose two, three shots to par.

Anything can happen around there. And it's so hard to play with the lead just because you want to protect so much. But if you go out there and you play aggressive and you're on your game, like we saw Scottie Schaeffler do, like we saw Zander Schauchle do on Saturday, like you can go low around there. It's just, it's a terrifying golf course.

course, and I think that's what makes it one of the most fun to watch all year. Yeah, it seems to be a dicey place when you got two hands on the wheel. When you're playing like, hey, don't mess up. Don't mess up. I got five. And I'm not saying Wyndham did that, but Wyndham looked on the weekend. He wasn't firing on all cylinders like he was Thursday Friday. Like he was swinging it beautifully.

Off the T, it was incredible. His putter was back to where it was like at Pebble Beach. He was making everything. And then on the weekend didn't quite have it. You see some of those high rights that he hits out there when things get under the gun. But they stay in play. Like people like the bag on. I'm like, dude, that's part of golf, like figuring out of short.

that you can just get in play when you can't feel your hands. But I thought it was from a Wyndham perspective, impressive. Like, he didn't have his best stuff on Saturday, Sunday, yet he still had a chance to win that golf tournament all the way up to the 72nd hole. And I think if you rewind a little over a year ago, like, that's not the case. And when he won the U.S. Open, like things were cooking pretty damn good. Same with Quill Hallo, like he was unbeatable. And it just, he found a way to be relevant and contend without his best stuff.

But right now, like Wyndham said, he's the best player in the world. like Scotty's head and shoulders above everyone else. He's not the only one to say it. And by the way, that putt that went more than half an under the ground was just disgusting. That was criminal. I was hoping for a playoff just because I didn't want the thing to end. It was that much fun sitting on the couch watching it. Got to give a huge shout out to NBC.

They had a fantastic week. And our guy, Johnson Wagner. The MVP of the week, Johnson Wagner, five-tool guy. Hey, Johnson, we need to get out here on seven and just hawk balls at the side of this bank as hard as you can. We're going to need you to go out here, create the unhittable Rory McElroy shot again, make you look like an asshole. I mean, he did everything, dude. He was unbelievable.

Shout out Wagyu. As we said on Sirius X-M, the price of Wagyu went up after that. But it was a great week for everyone involved. Scotty Schaeffler. I mean, what can you say? I mean, he just goes out every single, I mean, he's got a hurt neck.

He's out there getting stretched on by his trainer Marnas. Says he might not be able to continue. Decides to tough it out. Shoots three under par 69 on that Friday and then goes out. Saturday didn't feel that great. Once he do, just birdie's 16, 17, 18. Shoot 68. there he is five back going into Sunday.

You're like, what's going to happen? Slow start, par, par, par, par. Well, he's probably not going to have it this week. Hoop wedge, and then here we go. Then it was on. See you later. I'm out of here. You know, like, going back to that Saturday finish,

the birdie, birdie, birdie. Like, I know they weren't looking at it at the time, but like when Windham and Zander and those guys that were at the top got in, they're like, oh, damn, like, he's only five back. You know, I guarantee they had to look at that. But if eight back, it's like, okay, I don't have to worry about Scotty Schafford.

That'll be nice, but he gets it to five. and then like, yeah, when they interviewed Wyndham, hey, when was the first time you looked at the scoreboard and noticed Scotty Shuffler's up there? He's like, I didn't really look at anything until 11. He's like, then I looked up and saw Scottie. I was like, well, yeah, of course. Of course, Scotty.

Like, can you give us one week where we don't have to worry about you? But that's a testament. Like, he's in, he's a contemporary right now and these guys are talking about him, like, that, you know, giving him that much accolades. You don't see that with currents too often. It's normally, like, guys that are done playing, like, that guy was the best, but they're doing that to Scotty right now.

Yeah, you know, I exchange. text with John Rom after it and just asked if he watched. And all he said, yeah, I caught the end of it. And I said, like, what's your thoughts on Scotty? He's like, what do you want me to say? He's incredible. Like, he put on an incredible performance. And the golf he's playing right now is unbelievable.

Yeah, I don't think there's any, like, there's a lot of debate about different things going on in the game of golf right now. There's one that's not a debate, and that's who's the best at the sport. And it's Scotty. And he's not the loudest and doesn't give the big interviews and stuff like that. But, like, appreciate this because I almost feel like it's getting take it for granted because he isn't tooting his own horn. and he doesn't do all the loud stuff, you know, and he just goes about his business and beats everyone's head. And it's two weeks with this new putter,

two weeks positive strokes gained putting, and two wins, one in a runaway, and one, you know, he wouldn't even feeling 100% the entire week. It's pretty wild what he's doing. Scottie learned how to put. Scottie does know. Scottie does know. And I will say, listen, it's not like I went out on a limb,

but when I was doing the show last week from Shadow Creek, having a time. Oh, yeah, let's talk about that a little bit. Where my guy Andy Reed doing? Is he alive still? That dude was... I believe he was red and Santa Claus when he popped his little head in there. I believe he has made it back to Winnipeg.

Vegas is very happy to get rid of him. But I did say Scotty Sheffler, which... What a hell of a call? Hell of a call, right? God damn. It's just... It's so special to watch, but I will give a shout out

to all the boys from Winnipeg. We had a blast up there. Three days at Shadow Creek is a lot. The Oxford Pro Am was so much fun. Had three perfect... The last day, the wind blew a little bit. Of course, the toughest to conditions if you just beat your body to shit

for two, three nights in a row. But man, it was so much fun. I can't wait to do it again. Yeah, three nights in Vegas equals two nights too many. They've already put you down for next year. They're like, yo, who's that dude that just popped his head in her pop popped onto the podcast?

I was like, I don't know. That's a dude from Canada that Cole was playing with and he's themed happy as shit. It looked like a great squad you had, though. It was a lot of fun. All the boys. Dougie, Carrie, Brent, and then our MVP, our leader, Jeremy Kruger, who I found out son, his name Freddie. That's Coach.

That's Coach Reed. Yeah, I liked him. I liked him. He had good energy. Did y'all do any good in that thing? Yeah. Finished? We finished. Completed?

We completed all 54 holes. We finished all 54. Like I said, it was awesome, man. I mean, anytime you get to go to Shadow Creek, hang out with everybody there, Monty. Monty was driving around and his cart chirping me the whole time. Trying to side bet me, shocking. That doesn't sound like Monty.

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PGA Tour winner. Parker McLaughlin joined us on subpar. Here he is. All right. You have probably seen our next guest on social media cooking up some saucy treats for the boys. He's a former PGA Tour winner, turned short game guru, the chef, Parker McLaughlin, long overdue. Good to have you, buddy. Dude.

I mean, I see all the names up here. It's nice to finally add my name up there. This will be good. You're busy, man. You're giving all these lessons. You don't have time to come in here and do this little podcast. I'm waiting for you to call, get in the kitchen. Oh, but.

been in the kitchen? I put from anything inside like 30 yards. I just put it. I mean, I don't really need help with that. Just bang it up there. Yeah, a lot less can go wrong. You and every other member at Whisper Rock. Hey, man, it gets a little soft and wet in those in those collection areas. I ain't chipping. Too much booze in the system. No matter how long it's a business I drank. I can't handle those. You know, the little tighties. No, I mean, that that's like the exact thing. Like, you know, like Pinehurst was sort of the impetus of like when the U.S. Open started cutting rough down. down and shaving everything off.

And everything starts falling off into these areas, right? These collection areas and they're cut really tight. And all the water gravitates there, right? And so that's like really why some of the stuff that I've been doing on social is sort of hit because it's been like it's become a problem for everybody in golf. I mean, yeah, my courses are going to that type of runoffs. It collects here, you know, tight grass. Got to hit the little zippers as opposed like when you put like the old school courses,

I guess, they'll have the rough around the grade. That's the tricky stuff for me now is when I go. I haven't played from Rough in a year. You know what I mean? I just hit the same shot over and over around here. I have no problem with the rough. It's when I get down there in those collection areas and I can feel the ground move under my feet,

and I'm like, oh, dear God. Like, if I don't catch this perfect, I'm going to lay it right in front of me. I grew up in Texas where it's dormant, Bermuda, it's firm and, like, you actually use the bounce or actually, if you want to use the leading edge, you can. And it just, I think a lot of people think it's easier to chip out here in Scottsdale on the overseat.

And I actually found out my shipping got worse when I moved out here. Yeah. I mean, you're not alone. Right. I mean, it depends on where you grow up. I think that people that, you know, grow up in Texas, right? They understand how to play out of, you know, that into the grain Bermuda grass.

And if they move here, they probably feel like it's easier sometimes. But, boy, you get that newly, that new overseed rye grass and it's soft. It's like, mm-mm, no thing. It's better than that burnt out Bermuda, like laying into you with a little bit wet, it's a little bit muddy underneath. I'm like, I'm going to put this behind my back foot and just slammed it. Like that's all, and I have, no, it's just like, get it up there somewhere close. Whereas on the Rye stuff, I'm like, you can do whatever you want.

Yeah, but I'm just, you know what I mean? Totally different. Because for me, it's like, oh, this is into the grain in Bermuda. I'll just stab it, just dig that leading edge of the ground and just pop it. Like we saw Min Woo Lee do that. Yeah, he got a nice. Took a. I mean, his club was just not even stopping.

I'm like, I know that shot. And like, we used to play bump and runs and stuff in Texas. And here with the overseed, you try to drill it into a slope. It just plugs and comes right back at you. So how do I fix that? Yeah. Are we on the clock right now? Yeah, I mean, that's the thing. It's like there's a recipe for all these different kinds of shots, right?

And sort of like, that's sort of where like the name sort of came from is like there's a recipe and ingredients for all these different shots around the green. It's not just like, oh, just hit your stock one. It's like, no, you got to have all kinds of different shots to be able to handle these different lies with different up slopes and different down slopes and different grass and hit it high with some spin. Hit it low with some spin. You got to have all those all those types of shots. So I sat with Roger Cleveland when we were in L.A. a couple weeks ago. I mean, he's legend. Obviously, one of the greatest wedge designers there's ever been. And I was kind of telling him, like, some of the shots I've been struggling with. And he's like, hold on. He went over and he just built me a wedge, which I'm very lucky that that's, I'm able to do that.

But for the people listening at home, like, should they have a different wedge, like, depending on where they're from, where they play most of their golf in the certain conditions? Oh, absolutely. It starts, I think there's two factors that go into it. Number one would be like your normal attack angle. How are you delivering the club? Are you someone that's steep and holding on? Are you someone that releases it too early? And then the second factor is where are you playing? Are you playing most of your golf in Seattle or most of your golf in Midland, Texas?

Those are two massively different turf conditions that you've got to account for. So between those two things is how you should start to pick your wedge. I mean, I know it's obviously there's a lot that goes into it. But say you're a Bermuda guy, more firm conditions compared to a lush overseas. like what should be the difference in the bounce in your wedges? Well, if there's more give, you want to go with a little more bounce, right? You want that, that bounce is going to help push you and sort of like help keep you surfing on top of the grass. That's sort of how you would imagine bounce to work.

And so if you're in those like Seattle, Poana kind of conditions, like you want that bounce to kind of keep you up above that ground. Whereas if you're in that firm, you know, Midland, Texas, anywhere in kind of that Texas area, you're going to want this thing. if you're going to lay a blade open, like if it's sitting on this table right here, if you lay that blade open, if you got 12, 14 degrees of bounce, it's going to sit way up and it's going to look really bad.

So you want something with less bounce for those type of firmer, like, you go over to Scotland, you play firmer conditions over there, you know, in the summertime, right? You're going to want something that's going to sit flat like that to the ground. Like a putter.

A platter. So when you're giving your lessons online and people are, you know, sending you videos from, Florida and then the next dude's in a Seattle or whatever. You got to like, it's not like there's one technique because I see some of the online stuff and we'll get into that like versus the steep versus shallow and stuff like that. And my whole thing was like, yeah, dude, totally the shot I hit it out here in Arizona off this ride where I can make a zip, like I can't hit that down there

off of certain lies in Florida. So you have to like tweak the way you teach based on conditions, don't you? Yeah, yeah. It's definitely, it's all. Yeah, I would say that most people are looking for, like that's the nuanced part of it, right? But most people are looking for something that they can, like, just trust. Blank it, yeah. Like, hey, just give me something that I can trust under the gun, right? Like, that's what most people are looking for. And whether you're playing for your club championship

or playing a high school match or whatever it is, someone's, you're playing for five bucks against your buddies. You're looking for something you can trust from 5, 10, 15, 20 feet, 30 feet off the green. And so that's what I'm doing most of my stuff with that, right? Once you get past that, you start getting into the more nuanced stuff, that's when you start figuring out, okay, well, have you tried a little lower law?

Have you tried a little draw path? Have you tried to open the face up and try it a little cut? More like 202, 303 levels. As opposed to people like, I can't ship on the green, get me on the green. Yeah, I usually help build people their foundation. And then once they've got their foundation built, then we can start to get creative off of that foundation. But you've got to have the foundation built.

Because if your foundation is all over the map, like, hey, let's get steep and cutty. Then all of a sudden, you don't really have the ability to hit like a low one back. to a back pin with a little draw. So you've got to start with something that's sort of like neutral. I call it like the vanilla pitch shot. You got to start with something that's a little bit neutral and then work towards like getting creative off of that, off of that neutral.

Take the average golfer, not any of the tour players you work with. What's the most common mistake in the short game you see the average player make? They just don't move their body. They think it's like a short shot. It should just be like a short swing. And so it becomes very like handsy, armzy, like nothing moves. And the second that they just get this club like super vertical in the back swing, they're done because they haven't pivoted at all. So usually that's that, and they reach

for the 60 degree like way too often when it's like you would be much better off trying to hit a nine iron here. But nobody practices that and they see the guys on TV using 60 degree every shot around the green. But it's like these guys are practicing nine hours a day. Like they're using one club because they're good at it and they practiced it. I think for the amateur golfer, like taking less loft is always a good option. But also, you've got to use your body. You've got to move. This is great.

Parker thinks we're actually recording an episode. We're just getting a free lesson right now. This is fantastic. Keep going. All right. So for the people listening out there aren't familiar, give us some of the tour pros you work with. And now he asks about the amateur side.

On the tour side, when guys reach out to you, what is it that they're typically looking for? Obviously, they want to get better with their short games. what it's like, I can't hit this certain shot or my bunker game or, like, is there a common theme amongst the pros that you deal with? Yeah, I mean, I think with most pros, they're obviously all pretty good once they come to me. But when you start looking at, like, individual cases, like, Colomori Cow came to me last off season, looking to perfect. Well, he was like, I haven't really actually had a short game lesson, right? So he was looking to just kind of get an overall viewpoint of like. Because he never misses the green.

Yeah, he does exactly right, right? once a day. He doesn't need to practice that much. So he just wanted, he wanted like, hey, where do I start? And so I gave him some things. We worked really hard on just getting him like a standard pitch shot, understanding how to use the bounce, understanding what width and shallowness and all this stuff meant,

and just took a comprehensive look at where he was with his short game. But yeah, like, you know, a good example would be Tom Kim a couple weeks ago at the waste management. He came and said, look, I can only hit a low spinner. I need to learn how to hit from a little low area up higher and still have it grab. I can't hit that shot. It's either the low spinner or the high flop shot. And so we get diving into how to do that, right? So it's a specific type of a shot that he was looking for. And it was cool to see like that particular week on Friday, on 14, he gets up right, just the pins front right, and he misses it short. short right in the fairway, no real green to work with, got to go uphill, and he chips this thing in,

flies it onto the green, bounce, bounce, check, and trickles in the hole. It goes on to make the cut on the number, and that shot was kind of a difference maker to making the cut or not making the cut. So cool to see stuff like that with high-level players, right? But my, you know, my whole goal with doing this has always been to get the information that the PGA tour players. know and instinctively know and get that information to the amateurs because the tour players make it look so easy they make it seem like it's very easy but they're also stacking the odds in their favor right they're using the bounce when it's when appropriate and and the amateur golfer you know unfortunately makes makes golf way harder than it needs to be and so my whole goal was starting

short game chef was to basically be like i want to give the amateurs the best chance of success around the Greens and help them to sort of modernize their short game with some of these techniques that I've learned over the years of playing on tour. Yeah, the rich amateurs pay way better than the tour. Yeah, but don't. As a teacher, mics are off right now. Is there ever an incentive like, I don't want to make this guy super good or else he stops coming back to me?

It's like a doctor. Like, I don't want to fix you all the way or else you're not a customer anymore. You know what I mean? Like just keep giving them little nibbles, but be like, you're almost there, but you're not there. I'll see you tomorrow. Doctors are legally allowed to do that. I think you'd be surprised.

I think you'd be surprised. Yeah, I've taken the opposite approach. Like, I want to make my guys autonomous, right? It's a terrible business model. Then you're out of it. Yeah, it's a terrible business model. But I want to make my guys, especially my top guys, I want to make them autonomous. I want to make them, like, have ownership of their game, ownership of their short game,

because on Sundays, when they're choking their guts out and they can't swallow on Sunday walking. I don't want them to have to look outside the ropes and be like, what shot am I supposed to hit here? I want them to know and, like, understand, like, yeah, I own this shot. I've worked on it. I understand what I'm trying to do here. So, weirdly enough, I want them to own it and not actually have to use me. That's a good answer. That's a good answer on the mic.

We'll talk off, man. I'm fascinated to hear this because I know a lot of our listeners struggle, and they have the chipping yips. We see it every day up at Whisk Brock. We're not going to mention any names of any directors of golf or anything like that. No, no. They're not going to talk about that at all. They're directors, too. Yes.

But I think the biggest question is, can chipping yips, yips be cured. In your opinion, because, and I know it was a show, but I remember when Barclay went on Haney's show and all this, and he kept saying, he doesn't have the yips. It's not a mind problem. It's a technique problem, which the dude was frozen on the way down. So I don't agree with that. But do you think the yips are more of a technique problem or more of a mind problem? And can you fix them? I mean, I think that's a really good question. McCord and I have actually had a lot of good conversations on this. McCord is taking a deep dive into the mental side of the yips, right? He's just fascinated by it. I've taken a deep dive. I've taken a deep dive.

into the technical side of the yips. I think at the end of the day, it's a, it's a combination of both, but it also depends on how long has that person been in that chipping yipp state where they're just frozen. They're fearful, right? I've had some people that have come to me, let's say, like, Division I golfers that have been like, I'm stuck. I've been yipping it for the last six months, eight months, 12 months, whatever it's been. And with a couple of technique changes and philosophy changes, all of a sudden they're chipping it awesome. but they don't have the same amount of scar tissue as someone that comes to me that says, I've been in this for 12 years.

I finally found your stuff. And now, like, I feel like I'm making progress, but I'm like, we spent two, three hours. And it's like, but they were way better than when they started. But you can see it still present itself every now and again where they flinch or they just sort of have that little moment of like, oh, I'm scared of the ground and they yip it. That person, it takes the mental work as well. So it's a combination of both. But I mean, I've seen, I've helped probably over 100 people out of the chipping yips.

Oh, wow. Yeah. Probably 50 in person and 50 have gone through my online Cure the Yips program. And it's like, they've sent notes like, dude, I've had the Yips for a while. And with your program, it's gone. My wife is so happy. I'm happier at home now. Yeah.

No longer my dog, no longer has broken ribs every day. It makes people like cry, dude, when they fix it. I got an old buddy his old friend had it for dude I don't know how long like one-handed then just went to the putter then went to like just eight iron bounce it onto the green type of stuff and like he whatever he did this is a while back got fixed and like he was like literally in tears when he would hit like a chip to three feet but dude I haven't been able to do that in 10 years yeah I have uh I have a guy I had a guy Bryce Mulder um got this guy to come to me and Bryce is like this is this guy has the worst chipping I don't mean to laugh at all times I can see

He's explaining this. No, yeah. And so Bryce drew up a contract for this guy. He says, look, if Parker can fix you, you will pay Parker 10% of everything you make. I'm not going to mention the notorious L.A. club that he's a member at. But Bryce said, look, if Parker fixes you, you're paying him 10% of everything. And so sure enough, I get Venmos from this guy like 50 bucks. He's just like had a great day of the course, chipped it close a bunch of times.

Beautiful. What a guy. I mean, yeah. No, it's amazing. It's amazing. But anyway, like, it's pretty fun to see these people, like, exit out of being so fearful of something and then actually feeling like, oh, I'm – if they can get great at it, they'll actually want to be like, oh, I want to show off. But I would say if we can get them out of the yips part of it and the fearful part of it and get them into serviceable, like, that's a huge win. It just amazes me, like, I mean, how fast it can happen.

Yeah. I mean, you see guys like – I mean, Graham DeLette was so open about it when it happened to him. I mean, one of the best ball strikers on the PGA tour, had a great career out there. And then all of a sudden, one day, just got the flinchis. And literally couldn't play. I mean, he withdrew from Memorial, and he put it out there on social media. He's like, look, I'm struggling with the chippin'y.

I'm going to try to go figure this out. It basically ruined his career. Yeah, we saw Tiger deal with it here in Phoenix, too, right? Yeah, he got it real quick. Yeah. All it takes is, like, one weird ones. It's always the greatest ball strikers, too. You never see the guy, probably because you're hitting 16 greens.

You only chip twice. Like, your technique's probably not as good as the guy missing 12 greens around. but like Brock McKinsey, I would go back to you. Like that guy, to this day, one of the best pure ball strikers hitting it out of the middle of the face that I've ever been around. I think he led the Corn Ferry Tour in Greens and Regulation in his last year and lost his cart. Because he could not put or chipping and he was putting in chipping.

Yeah, then he went to the one-handed. He could still win like mini-tour events chipping one-handed because he literally chipped once for round, but it seems like it's always the great ball-strikers. It is. It really is. And I was the opposite of that. I'm sure you guys looked up some of my stats,

but I was like, I probably average like nine greens around, and I was like, okay, that's nine opportunities to try to chip in. That's the way I looked at it. I just want to thank you for thinking we do homework on this show. That was nice. I actually do have a little homework, but I believe this is correct. When you won in Reno, I think you had a huge cushion, by the way. Shot 74 the last round and one by seven. But anyways, you hit one green on the front shot level. Yes. Like, dude, you get easily, normal bad shippers, you could shoot seven over.

Yeah, I have a freak out. Eight for eight and up and downs. Yeah, one green, 37. put it on cruise control. Yeah, it was the worst ball striking round of, like, any winner for, like, I think it was probably, like, 10 years. And then I think Ricky Fowler, maybe a year and a half ago or a couple years ago in Phoenix was like, that's when he, like, had that really bad round,

but it was terrible weather and all that stuff. Yeah, it was raining. My round was like that. It was like the worst ball striking round by a tour winner for, like, 10 years. Nice. I mean, I got it. Then one by a million, by it. Yeah.

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Like you think you're just going to play golf forever, right off into the sunset and things are going to be great. Like, at what point did you ever think, okay, coaching could be in my future? Yeah, that's a good question. My dad was a coach. My brother, my dad was like a legendary coach, coach like Obama, a bunch of high school championships in volleyball and basketball. My brother coaches over at USC women's volleyball. Like, it's kind of a little bit in the jeans.

I think the communication part of it is in the genes. I never really thought about being a coach. But as I started playing like sort of worse and worse, I would still get into a handful of tournaments, but then it was like, okay, well, I'm playing five weeks a year. What am I doing the other 47 weeks? I dabbled in a little bit of commentating, which was fun, but I couldn't really see myself just turning on the bullshit factor for, you know, I couldn't, I couldn't be Charlie Rimer. Like, that's just not my personality. And Charlie's great at doing that, but I'm, that's just not my personality. And then all of a sudden, a caddy friend of mine, Doug Schwim,

he was like, yo, you need to, your short game's so good. Like, you should put out some tips for people to, like, get better. And that's sort of where short game chef was born. And then two days after I put that on social media, Kevin Strillman called. And he was like, hey, I see you're doing some short game instructing. Like, can I spend a couple hours with you? And that's when this whole thing, like, really started. And I'm like, all right, my, the first paid lesson I'm giving is to the guy ranked 93rd in the world. I'd never given a short game lesson before. And so I was like, well, I, I, got to figure this out. But that's that's sort of how it started. And then Kevin had told

a bunch of Whisper Rock members and they started coming to see me and and then words sort of started organically spreading. Drills has gone through more golf instructors than the Kardashians have plastic surgeons. It's not a lack of information for Streele's. He's got it all. Is it hard?

I've transitioned out of golf. He's done it. You've done it. Swallowing your pride and being like, okay, I'm no longer a player. Like, I'm not trying to beat these guys anymore. And you kind of have to accept that. Like, I'm on the other side now. Was that a hard thing to do? To be like, okay, I'm a teacher now instead of a player. You've been a player your whole life. One million percent. I mean, a lot of, a lot of like, you know, like, you know, just long conversations with the wife

and like figuring out, like, where is our path going in this, in this whole life, right? You always think of yourself as a player and you just sort of have that, like, dog mentality. Like, I got to beat this guy and this guy. And I always played that way. I probably played angry. right? Like I was like, I always had a chip on my shoulder. Like, like, Ches Revy, right? Like, he was always sort of like, we played a lot of college golf together. And he was, like, we would always have this sort of like friction between the two of us. And a couple years ago, he reaches out and he's like, yo, I want to spend some time together. And I told my wife, I was like, yeah, I'm going to go work with Chess. And she's like,

Chez used to be like, like, you guys used to battle. And now you're like helping him. I was like, yeah, it's like a whole different, like thing. And like, and I look at it. I went, I randomly was looking at his stats and like, he's like 23rd in strokes skiing around the green this year, right? It's like he's done really well with the information that I've given him. And I'm super stoked on it. We've developed this like great relationship that's not sort of like, I want to beat you and I want to beat you. But it's become a really neat, a neat relationship that I really value. But yeah, it's different like to put on that different hat. And I'll, like I separate it. I'll dress differently to just sort of think about

Like when I go coach, like I'll dress differently than I would if I was actually going to play in a tour event. Well, Chess shot 60 today playing with me. Did he chip, though? I hope he took all your money. Did he chip? He was my partner and we cleaned up. No, you got it down with the 60 piece? I cut him five shots.

Everything was good. Well, that's nice. That's a damn good policy. This is a good partner. We had a nice little. Net 55? We shot net 17 under, yes. Wow.

I got one aside. I already. Birdied one of my stroke holes and part of the other. So, yeah, chipped in. I threw in a couple birdies for him. Hello. I mean, just sit back and watch. Do we need, is that a, is that a 20?

I got a pocket flog in there to this self-suck brand new ad. We need to just dab yourself up as much as you want. You just got to slide a couple of plums in here. For the kids at the end of the year, by the way. Give me, to answer your question to the chip, he hit two chips from what I can remember. I bet it got up and down. Part five, he missed like a six foot or a birdie. Would have been 59.

He got the other one up and down from short of the green on the fourth. You all know the lower. Yep. Other than that, I don't think he chipped. Yeah. So time to start top. When you make 12 tweets, you don't really chip much. What good is that?

He did that same thing in the pro scratch deal that we had at the Rage. He shot a million. He won the thing by himself, which is pretty damn impressive, given those. And then we went and just hype the shit out of him on the show. And then it went to Hawaii and, like, he played. It was like four over the first thing. I know. God damn.

This is going to be interesting. Because I don't know when this is going to come out. But next week is the player's championship, which is a perfect golf course for him. And I played with him two days in a row, stripe, shot like three or three. or 400, I think, the first day from all the way back. Today was the hump day game. He got 60 points, smashed his quota, shoot 60, and finished second. Because we got some interesting quotas up there at the rock.

Kyle Loche, come on down. Kyle's earned it, I feel like. He's that a lot of days not caching. So to get one. Yeah, the game looks nice for chess, shockingly. Yeah, I believe that. That's cool. You're helping him out, though.

Give me this. This is kind of putting you on the spot and stuff. But if I was to say, your favorite professional. professional golf, or don't even have to be PJ Tour, around the greens, and then your favorite putting stroke? So, I mean, yeah, I mean, I would say there's a handful. I think Jordan Spieth is pretty sensational. He goes, like, steep, shallow.

He's got all the shots. And I don't think he necessarily thinks about it. I don't think he consciously thinks about what shot he's going to hit. I think he lets the shot sort of speak to him. And he just goes into this other place where it's just, it's mind-blowing. I remember doing a PGA tour live and we were following him at Hilton Head on Saturday, Sunday. And we watched every shot he hit. And it was like, this guy, he hold out two bunker shots, chipped in another time.

And every shot was like very different. It wasn't the same. It was like, so he's like on another level. I think Cam Smith is incredible. You know, I think that, you know, like, yeah, I think that there's a lot of great short games. Guys do it a lot of different ways. I'd say, you know, like some of the players that I've worked with the longest, like Anna Nordquist, a Keith Mitchell, like I appreciate where we started and where we've gone and seeing the path that both of those players have gone on. And those are like two of the sort of proudest things that I've sort of been a part of.

And greatest putting stroke. I mean, you're right up there. Like you've got you got some great tempo. like natural tempo in your stroke. But I would say, yeah, I mean, I think, I think Spieth, and I've gotten a chance to spend a lot of time with Ben Crenshaw and watching him putt it.

It's like in person, it's like a different level of drippy, right? Like everything just drips. It's like, and the way that he describes it, he's got this really, really light putter, this 8802 that's so light and the shaft is really light. And it's the same one that he's used to win. to win the masters. And you feel this putter, and it's just like ungodly light.

And he says, Parker, when I put my best, it feels like it's so heavy. Really? That's cool. And I'm like, well, I mean, you've got to be like so soft in the arms and soft in the hands. That's one of his biggest things he's always been. He's like, on a scale one to ten, how tight do you grip? And he's like, negative four. He's like, I don't even feel like I'm holding on and it just swings. Yeah.

And I've spent time with Faxon, too. And Faxin is like on that next level when it comes to putting. It's just like mind-blowing how he, he grips the putter in a way where it's not going to, it's very movable, but it's not movable this way. Do you spend much time with people on their putting? Or is it mostly just short game? No, I think that that's like, that's kind of like a sneaky part because like, I'm sure you guys did your research as far as my putting stats. My putting stats were really good. And I was always a great, I was always a great putter, but I always did it through my setup and my,

up in my routine. I never really thought about my stroke. So when people feel like they're in a good spot with their putting stroke, they come to me and I get them in a good setup and a good routine and they start making putts. You went a million holes without three putting. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 350 or something shit like that, wasn't it? Yeah, 350 something holes without three putting, which is like 20, 20 rounds and around tour. Yeah, it was a good stretch. But yeah, I just, I never, I didn't three put very often. I was always like, I always made everything inside of six feet and my lag putting was pretty good. Because again, I didn't think about my stroke that much. I was like, I dove so deep into routine and how my routine would get me into a flow state. And I did the same thing,

like shooting free throws with basketball. It was like bounce. I would bounce, set, go. It was like very like natural. Yeah, I think that's the best way that people do anything, whether it's putting, chipping, shooting, whatever. It's like the ones that look great. I'm not. The ones that look great. They're like, you're not thinking about techniques. Other guys that, like, have to, you know, tuck in the sleeves and do all this and I'm like, dude, he's thinking about 17 things. Like, it just looks different. And he might be okay at it. It might be good at it, but it's different than like a, watching a Jordan speed ship. It's like, dude, he's not thinking. He's just thinking about, like,

how the shot comes out. Not any technique stuff. Yeah, and that's why Jordan start, you know, on those inside five footers, he's like, man, he looks at the hole. It's like point and shoot. That's why I think he's like, unlike Link's stuff. Unlike Link's stuff. I know he goes back to it every once in a while. Yeah. When his full swing gets like that, that's when he's like at his bet, which I think like, like, Link's golf brings that out.

When you get wind and all of a sudden, like, dude, how do I just get the ball where I want to go? And stop thinking about technique. Like, yeah, stop all the rehearsals. And that's when he's, like, incredible to watch, in my opinion. All right. Here's one for you. Okay. Best player in the world right now, Scotty Schaeffler gives you a call.

Does look, obviously struggling with my putting. I mean, his ball striking is so far ahead of everybody else. It's ridiculous. He puts even just a little below average to the field, each week. He's winning the golf tournament. What do you say to Scottie Sheff? I wouldn't do anything putting stroke-wise. Yeah, I would go, I would find where he was most comfortable in setup, like junior golf, like I would look at that kind of stuff. And then I would say, let's build a routine that you can trust and that gets you in a flow state and that you

don't even have to, you're not even thinking about your stroke because I guarantee you he's thinking about his stroke. He's thinking about, he's watching it on the way back, like, oh, this is too far outside. I've been working on inside and then all of a sudden he's missed the put. So I I would just go straight to like comfortable setup, like something that he did as a junior golfer, because I'm sure he made putts as a junior golfer. Yeah, he won 92 times. Yeah.

And then I would go and then I would just go to, I'd build a routine that's like just straight out of like, look, we're going to get you to the spot where you can point and shoot and think the least. Activate the right side of your brain, turn off the left side of your brain. Because right now he's got so much left side of the brain that's engaged.

He can't make a fluid flowing stroke. It's funny you say that because I've known the kids since he was six years old. And like the golf swing for the most part looks pretty similar. Like his setup, I mean, the left shoulder is a little higher than the right. And that's how he used to putt when he was 10 years old. And I mean, he would wear our ass out in putting contest when he was 10 years old. And just, I mean, one look at the whole bam, bang it right in the back. It was it was impressive to see.

And it's just, it's so crazy to watch him now. Because he's obviously got great hands when you watch him swing the golf club. Like he saves the golf club so much. I mean, he falls all over the play. and hits better iron shots than anybody on the planet. And his short game's pretty great, too. Oh, his short game's great. It's incredible.

And ball striking just looks like natural. It's not something you would teach. Like a teacher's like, do this with your feet, get the club, this vertical, and all this type of stuff. But like, it's natural and he does it. And I think so many people, this isn't about Scotty's putting, but like just in general golfers, more people are ruined with like over technique, over teaching.

I mean, shit, you went through it a little bit after your win in Reno, right? Like, changed up your stuff. And it's like, you can paralyze the guy way more quicker. And it's like, dude, this guy got. here because he knows how to golf. Like, don't strip away what got him here. And I think there's a lot of teachers out there that do that probably inadvertently, obviously, but I still do it where their brain just gets clogged. Yeah, I mean, you know, Faxon tells a great story when he first started working with Rory. The first thing they did was he gave Rory a five wood, said, I want you to hit a couple

15 footers with this thing. And he said Rory made, he said it was blown like 30 in the greens were 13 at the Bears Club. And Rory made three in a row from 15 feet with a five. And he said, five would. It was like, if I gave you your putter, wouldn't you be starting to think about all these different things? Like, yeah, you would. But with a five wood, you're just sort of like, how do I get it in? I'm just going to figure out a way to get in the hole and not look like a fool, right? And just like figure it out. And so I just think, I think sometimes you just get, you get paralyzed. You start thinking too much about stroke and my optimizing everything with like how the ball is rolling and all the stuff. It's like, that doesn't matter. You need something

that you can trust and someone that you can do like, you know, Scotty seems like, you know, like a right brain kind of a guy, like an athlete. You got to, I got to get him back to being it. If I was, if I was helping him with his putting, I would want to get him back to being an athlete with his putting stroke. You said that about the five with, like Randy Smith, who works with Scotty, who I grew up working with. I mean, we would go out and grab a 54 degree or 60

and practice a lot of putting with that. Because you don't really think about your stroke. How do I hit this ball solid? Because you've got to hit it right in the equator to get it to roll properly. And all other thoughts go out, go out the window. It's just like, okay, I got to make solid contact. That little extra focus. right of like oh i got if i don't hit it on the equator i'm hitting it below it's going three feet yeah

or if i hit it too much it's jumping yeah so like and your only focus is that you're not thinking about like oh i got to make sure this thing's two degrees on the inside and you're not thinking anything i'm trying to draw putt or anything like that yeah yeah it's like scottie's kind of like his golf looks athletic and his putting looks like kind of like a little more rigid i would say than it used to and i would say the same thing like jordan jordan short game looks like the most natural thing he's like just give me the club i'll make this work and then when he gets like fulls all the rehearsals and stuff. It's like his brain gets close. It's the guys that line up with that. But that's, of course, it's like, you know, the other stuff comes easy to them. Yeah. Right? Like for you and I,

like hitting it, like Scotty, like not even in the realm of possibility. So we work on that stuff for him. It's just like that's easy. It's the same way with putting with guys. Yeah. And it's like wherever you're deficient, you're trying to like improve. Right. So he's, he's deficient in putting. And so he's just like, how do I improve this? Like, oh, I got to work on my technique. It's like, okay, you work on the technique to some point. Once you hit that spot, then it's like, all right, need to turn that off. Need to get back to being an athlete. My technique is already better.

But it's hard to then turn that part of it off. And I went through it with full swing and everybody's gone through, right? It's just sort of like, it's so hard to go backwards. It's so hard to go back and be like, let me turn all that off and let's just get back to playing golf. Yeah.

I remember watching him at a tournament earlier this year. Him and Sam Burns, one of his best buddies, just get on the putting green, having a putting contest. There's no lining it up, no looking at it from both sides. It's just, oh, look, there's right edge. Boom, strike. makes everything. But it's so hard to make yourself do that in a tournament when everything's on the line.

It's like, oh, I'm just going to get up there and hit this one. Yeah. Yeah, just don't care. It does work for it because his brain gets turned off. Yeah, totally. It's interesting stuff. I mean, this thing, I mean, yours is huge, so it's very powerful. Think of all the shit I got going on.

It's amazing I can put the club on the ball, dude, without this stuff. You wouldn't even believe if they had a transcript of what's going on in my shit when I'm standing over the ball. Most of the time, it's not about golf. It's terrifying. Yeah. Honestly, I'll say this, one of the coolest. I would say lessons slash experiences, if you want to call it that, was when you and I went down and we spent a couple of days with Zinger,

down in Florida, like basically short game boot camp, play golf and did all that stuff. I learned so much about, for me, my problem was always Bermuda. Like, dude, I'm terrible. I'm good out here, and then I go to southeast, and I can't get up and down from anywhere. But is Zinger, that guy you would say, like, your mentor, like all teachers kind of have a guy that they take from

and then build on, is Zinger that guy for you? Yeah, oh my gosh. I was in, yeah, I mean, I was kind of in a dark place with my golf game in general, kind of around 20, 11, 2012. And I was ready to just sort of quit the game. And Zinger, I've known him since I was probably 16 years old. And, like, he would always come to the Sony open like a week early. And so the pro that I was, that taught me the game, Greg Nichols, he was close with Paul.

And so he's like, come play nine holes with Paul the week before. And so I just, every couple years, we'd sort of play nine holes together. So I just kind of got to know him a bit. And then I make it on tour and he was sort of, he was Rider Cup captain. I think that it was like in 08, he was Rider Cup captain. And I made it on tour in 07 was my first year. And then 08, I went back to Q school and I got my card again. And I was on the city program.

And Zinger was like our mentor, right? And he was the captain and he was mentoring all of us sort of rookies. And so we got to spend a bit more time then. and then I lost my card in like 11. And so I was in a deep, dark place. And I told this guy, Greg Nichols from Hawaii, I said, look, I think I'm ready to give up the game. I'm hitting at 90 right and 50 left. This is not conducive for playing good golf and trying to play professionally.

And so he said, let me, he said, Zinger's in town, come have lunch. And Zinger was in Hawaii for an outing. And we went and had lunch. And I was like three hour lunch and I'm in tears. And I'm like, I'm going to give up on playing this game. and Singer's like, come back to Florida, spend a week with me. I think I can declutter all the cobwebs that are going on in your brain. So I went back there.

It was great. And it wasn't perfect after that, but I kept going back. And so every probably four or five months, I'd go back and I'd spend a week in Florida. And stay at Zinger's house and we would drive out to the golf course. At the time when I first showed up, He didn't own a car, right? He had 12 motorcycles in his garage but did not own a car. So he's like, hey, we're going out to the golf course.

So I would get, he said, you're driving. And I was like, what do you mean? I got a shitty rental car. He's like, no, no, you're driving. I just got, I got these 12 motorcycles. You can hop on the back with me. I was like, so I'm driving. He's got a set at Gator Creek and a set of golf clubs at concession.

And we get out, we drive out there and we just talk, right? just, like, it was sort of like, you know, like I would imagine like the Tuesdays with Mori, right, like that book, right? This was sort of like these drives. It was like a 45-minute drive out to the golf course. She didn't live close to a golf course. And we would just talk about Ryder Cup, mental, like, you know, all the sports psychology, breathing, all these different things. We talked about his can't, like all this stuff where he was like, man, I had 12 top threes leading in a 12 month span leading up to when he had cancer in his shoulder. He's like, dude, I was one of the best players on the planet, but nobody really knows because

then I had cancer. And then I was like a totally different person. Like the guy is, you know, he became like an unbelievable mentor and friend and like took me under his wing for like seven years. I did this. I went back to his house to try to get out of the dark place that I was in. And he really, really helped me out of this play. Like it was like, like, golf and life, he really helped me out. But I learned a lot about the short game, tons about the short game. My short game was great. Like, I was always a great short game player, but I learned even more watching him, asking

questions. This guy had like one of the most incredible minds and figured it out, dug it out of the dirt. And sort of, he would never, it was like he checked things off the list of like, all right, I'm going to try to go like super steep here with this club face and this handle. And then it would be like, that didn't work. let me check that off the list. Okay, let me go to the next iteration of it. And he just, like, he went through all these things.

And, like, the guy's one of the smartest golf IQs that I've ever been around. And I actually asked, I asked Phil Mickelson. I said, hey, I've been hanging out with, with, I think it was at like a dinner at Whisper Rock. Actually, he was up there and we were talking. And I was like, I've been hanging out with Zinger. I was like, you know, what do you think about him? He's like, top three golf IQs of all time. And I was like, that's a big compliment from Phil, right?

He's obviously one. Well, I thought he was one, two, and three. But, no, I just think, like, he, you know, he was an unbelievable mentor to me, but I learned a ton of, a ton of the stuff that I preach now came from Paul Aisinger. Like, he's one of the smartest guys that I've ever been around. That's what's so cool about the game of golf. And I think it's changed some now because all the tour players have their entourage and everything around them. But back in the day, even like when I first started getting going, you're a rookie year on tour. Like, guys would help other guys out.

Like, hey, take a look at my swing for second. Do you see anything? And that's what's so cool about the game of golf, that a guy will take you under his wing like that and help him out. But all these feels and stuff you talk about, you're talking about being an athlete, routine and all this. I never hear you want to say anything. And technology is a great thing,

but I never hear once to say anything about Trackman, you know, foresight getting your attack angle this, your spin this. Do you think technology has kind of hurt some of these guys, especially the young kids? Because I feel like every single shot they hit, it's whack and then look at the computer. Yeah. Well, I mean, you know, Fax and I had an interesting conversation maybe a month or two ago about this. And his question was basically, has all this information, the dissecting of everything, where is your weight going, this and that and all this stuff, like how you're attacking the golf ball, what the club face is doing? Has this actually, has this help players or has it hurt them? There's an argument to be made for both. I mean, no doubt about it. There's some. huge advances in technology that has really helped us learn maybe what's optimal.

But at the same time, I'll bring up Keith Mitchell, who's talked about it on the golfer's journal podcast where he said, look, trackman basically says that Keith Mitchell with a driver is not optimized. Now you look at his stats and you're like, dude, you've been top 10 on the planet in driving a golf ball for 10 years straight, but you're not optimized. So now if he were to go chase optimized with a driver, and that would say you need to hit more up on it, you need to hit a high draw with less spin,

he may not be a top 10 driver of the golf ball on the planet anymore. He may lose it because that's not sort of his pattern. That's good point. He might pick up six yards. He may pick up six yards here or another. Maybe he picks up 15 yards. Maybe he picks up 20 yards. But he's already top 10 on the planet and driving a golf ball.

If he went from like hitting a cut to hitting a high drive, draw to try to chase Rory, he may get up to Rory, but he may also bring in more of this by trying to chase optimized. Yeah, don't do that, Keith. Tell me if you agree with this, because, like, the trackman stuff, there's a hundred, there's definitely a good side to it, right? Guys hit their clubs, I need the spin to be this, I need my launch to be there, and they chase that perfection, that optimization that you're talking about.

What I think, compared to, like, the old days prior to all this, is like, guys want to be perfect with everything, right? So they chase that. But then when they get under the gun, it's like, sometimes you've got to get the fucking thing in play. And you don't see guys, like, take a Lee Trevino. Look at some of the drives he used to hit, like, when he was down the stretch. You just talk about it, I just heat it low and hit as low as I could. It would go, it would go less offline if I hit it bad. I'm like, you just don't see guys. I feel like hitting like that. This is my go-to shot. I don't care what the

numbers are. This thing's going to be forward in play, and I'm going to be golfing from there. I feel like every, it's kind of like they're just programmed to, like, hit the perfect, you know, trajectory, the perfect apex with the perfect spin over and over and over and over. And I feel like there's, like, less feel or ownership, whatever you want, whatever word you want to do. Yeah, I mean, I think like a guy like Minwood Lee is kind of a throwback, right? He's like, yeah, he brings in, he brings a bit of like new school with also the old school of like, boy, he hits some like low stinger. He hits some like low cuts to make sure he gets it in the fairway. But you can do that when you've got like 126 clubhead speed and you can back off of it to 120 and right hit your fairway finder.

But at the end of the day, it always comes about like comes back to finding out what works under the gun under pressure. Like, are you going to hit something that's like, okay, I'm going to send it this way. When you know, like, boy, the miss might be a little bit bigger. And if you bring that down to chipping, it's like, well, are you going to go for like the super high spinner here with like wide open club face and get super steep on it just to hit a super spinner? Or are you going to go with a shot that you can predict? Right. And that's sort of like, that's sort of like this whole, the whole argument that goes on on social media on like steep and low spinners and versus. versus...

Yeah, it's heated. It got heated. Those Twitter streets are mean on that angle of attack. Yeah, it got, it got heated for a while there on Instagram. Protect your neck on Twitter. Who do you think she yelled at you more in the last year? Your wife or Joe Mayo? Joe and I have had, like Joe and I have been friends for a long time.

Like I actually went to see him for my golf swing back in like 2011 or whatever, 2012 to just see if he could help me. But it's a, you know, we've been friends for a long time. I've stayed at his house. We've had, we've had whiskies together and whatnot. And we've had long conversations about this exact subject. And it sort of captured the golf world's attention for the last six months, right? Like Victor Hovlin played really well, and it was a great pattern for him. But when you look at a lot of the stuff that the tour players do, the Jason Days, the Steve Strickers, these guys that Matt Couther's,

These guys are consistently in the top 10 in strokes skiing around the green. And they're always finding a way to get their proximity really close to the hole. They're not 15 degrees down with their strike, right? They're in the three to eight degrees down with their strike. They're hitting actually the grass before the golf ball, believe it or not, on some of these shots. And so, and you go back and you look at their stats. And I went back and I looked at all their stats. And it's like, it's mind-blowing how good Stricker was and how good Jason Day was and how good

good Matt Coocher is. And then you look at someone like, like if I were to bring out Phil Mickelson's name, right? You think like, great short game, right? You go back and look at his stats, and it actually says that he's mediocre at short game. Well, I would argue that's because he's so aggressive. He takes on some crazy shots and fucks him up.

Yeah, yeah. And it's hard to, like the strokes game around the green is a hard one. It's not a perfect stat. But Phil, when you go back and look at the last 15 years, he's closer to like between 38th and 70th. Whereas Stricker's like inside of the top 15 every year. I think the reason people think Phil's is so great, which his short game is incredible. It's because he hits the miracle shot.

100%. Like the straightforward one doesn't get shown on TV every time. But that's when you have to get up and down. Totally. And so, yeah, I think that this whole debate has been great for like the game of golf in general. It's been great for people to have different opinions on all this stuff. I try to look at it as like, look, if I'm choking my, guts out and I've got one shot to hit. I'm going to go with a shot that I've got this much

margin of error for. Not one that I've got this much margin of error for. So I choose the one that's a bit more on the shallow side because I think it does engage the balance. It allows you to have a miss hit and still have a tap in versus if you are 15 degrees down and you're trying to hit a super low spinner. If you miss hit that, you're probably chipping it again. So the answer to that question was Joe Mayo's yelled at you more than your wife over the last year. We, you know, Joe and I have a great relationship, but, um, but no, we, we, we've had, like, like, healthy, we've had healthy, you're dodging the shit out of this. You didn't run for president.

We had healthy, we've had healthy arguments. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, it was, it was really cool. Like, we went to the PGA show and we sat next to each other on this open panel, which was like a debate on short game.

And it was awesome because it was like in like the coveted like 7.30 time slot and it was standing room only. And we had a great healthy debate on. on short game. And he talked about angle of attack and like how mathematically it was correct. And I'm like, yes, but I also think that you look at Matt Coocher and he's hitting five degrees down, he's spinning it and he's hitting it low and he's got tons of spin on it. Like there's something missing there where I don't think maybe Trackman is measuring the numbers

quite properly. But I also think that if you're choking your guts out and you are afraid of bad turf interaction, you want to go with something a little more shallow. That's why golf's great, though. You can try to make it a science, but there's still an art element to it. I don't care who you are. And it's like there's not one way.

This is the way you play golf. Look at all the swings over the history. They're all different. And in certain situations, I think it's a great shot to have. But I don't think that that's the, I don't think that you start there. I think that you start a little bit more neutral.

And then you work your way to learning how to hit that shot. and you work your way to learning how to hit a high spinner. Like short games, there's so many varieties to it. I just think that where I am, I think it's like the stuff that I've learned from some of the greats, it's like, yeah, you want a little margin of error. Like, you go to Vegas. It's like, you don't want to be like, I'm going to bet on myself hitting 21 every single time.

It's like, no, I wouldn't mind winning with the dealer bus, right? So if the dealer bus in short game, it's like, I'm going to hit the ground an inch behind it, two inches behind it. The bounce is going to kick that club up if I'm doing it properly, and I'm still going to hit this thing to like three, four feet. That's when the dealer busts. You're like, I miss hit that. I kind of use your error, but I still, I still want, right? That's how I would sort of equate it. I just think you want to stack your odds in your favor. The game of golf is too difficult to try to be like that perfect. Hard enough as it is. Hard enough, man. I want to make it easier for everybody. That's fascinating. The type of review fight coming

on soon. Stand by out now. Exclusive here. Make sure you go check him out on Instagram, Short Game Chef, get some cool videos. Let's get to the E9. We could talk about short game all day because we all have our issues. E9, you're happily married, man. I think we should ask this one. I mean, yeah, this isn't going to ruffle any feathers. No. Okay. We have enough to compliment.

Celebrity crush, whether now we're growing up. Ooh, celebrity crush. Boy, I did not expect that one. Yeah, usually you guys lead with like the actor. Who do you want to? And I had mine, you know, it was like... All right, give us your actor too, if you got one.

Well, I mean, Matthew McConaughey, like, I've definitely been like... 100, but 100 in the jar. You basically look exactly a lot. No, never pick, like, an ugly actor for them to be like... No, but I get McConaughey and I've gotten Adam Scott. And I swear to you, I've signed some autographs as Adam Scott when I was on tour full time. When we were playing in the same event, people would... Adam, you know...

Mark, we're going to need another jar. I don't sign Adam Scott, right? There you go, kid. Good on you. This one we had like kind of the same like hair in the back. I have a similar face structure. Yeah. Those skinny.

Yeah. All right. So crush though. Celebrity crush. Um, I don't know. I'm a, I'm a, I'm a J-Lo fan. I like Hallie Barry. I'm kind of a little more old school, you know?

Perfectly fine. That's fucking great. You're stealing slices. He's still and sleets his girls over here. We've got nobody left now. Thank you. No wonder we get along. Yeah, exactly.

That's good taste. All right, I'll take both of those as acceptable answers. All right, as a chef yourself, you can speak on this. Is it true that you got cooked by Barack Obama pick up basketball game in Hawaii? I already just diced you up. Yeah. And did you let him? He's actually, yeah, so we played, it was 2008.

He had not been inaugurated yet, but he'd gotten voted in as president. President-A-L-Lone. Yeah, end of 2007, I believe, right? to get gotten voted in. Or maybe it was, yeah, maybe it was end of 08. So anyway, he had gotten voted in, but he hadn't been inaugurated yet. And so he was playing basketball. My dad was his coach.

And so my brother and I got invited to go play a pickup game with sort of his old teammates. And as I subbed in, I happened to sub in for the guy that was guarding him. And so I was like, do I like, go hard? Yeah. Right? but there's also secret service. Yeah, the sniper will shoot you with her face. Yes, 100%.

What a way to go. It would have been awesome. I played him hard on defense. I did not score on him per se. I had a layup, but he wasn't guarding me at the time. But I did not score on him, but I played him pretty hard on defense. I would say that I probably gave up two baskets, which I may or may not have been going 85%. You foul.

No, I was not foul. Oh, I was not fouling. You know what I mean? Not found. There you go, right there. I was not going to foul. Watch your step. President.

Don't forget to use the next for. He was so cool. Like really. Can he play? He can play. You got buckets on you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Once I started to notice he wanted to go left pretty hard, I started shifting him over right.

Yeah, I mustle him up a little bit. Send him right. Yeah. All right, next one. Phoenix Open this year. You're out there getting your guys ready to go, dialing in the short game. All of a sudden, 150 dudes in shit. chef hats come rolling out.

At any moment, did you think they were there to see you coach a little? I would have. I mean, yeah, I would, like, the thing that's been so weird about this whole, like, chef thing, right? Is that, you know, I played on the PGA tour for a handful of years. I won on the PGA tour, rarely got recognized anywhere, right? And I start this short game chef thing, and I will walk through an airport and people will say, chef. I'm like, you never recognized me when I was a PGA tour player, right? So I get recognized more for being short game chef than I had been for a PGA tour player.

Yeah, when I saw those guys, I was like, God, this Min Woo is just taking it. He's taking it to another level. No, it's pretty cool. I think it's cool that he's gone with that. I heard today how that all happened, by the way. So I guess Lulu Lemon put out this promotion. and they gave like 200 guys shirt and pants and they just had and the hat obviously and they should go out and cheer on Minwu that's genius it is genius yeah just create a little hype real yeah we should do some we should do some uh collab together you should get him in the kitchen yeah yeah yeah i love that kid by i would just my new favorite guy i would sit there and just ask

questions i love him his sling is all his shits his little stash his whole his whole set his whole vibe primo and you look at him and you're like you just look at him you're like he's a gonna be a two years we'll look back and beg, remember when we didn't even... But you look at him without opening his mouth, and you're like, oh, okay, I got it. And then all of a sudden he opens his mouth, he sounds like exactly like Jason Day. Like same tone, same accent. And you're like, was not expecting that. And that move is sick.

Sidebar question doesn't count as a real question. What else was in the running as opposed to chef? Did you ever consider any other? You'd be like the... Yeah, I mean, as I was creating this whole thing, it was like short game wizard, short game guru, short game, short game, short game, like, all those sort of things sort of popped into your head, but you're like, no, those are all like very self-serving. This one was more like, no, I'm a chef. I'm going to give you guys all the recipes as to how to get it done around

the greens. Got it. It's always been about the people. Yeah, put the hat, put the cook hat on too. You know what I mean? Lean into that shit. Salt Bay, maybe a little bit. You should, I mean, you should bring up some gear. The more gimmicky shit you do, the more people will just gravitate to it. You should bring up the text thread that you, me and Keith have on the, we've solved the world's problems, dude. We have every idea ever figured out it's only an hour show guys you ever want to go massive oh i forgot to ask you the question key submitted i'll ask you later all right this was a good this one better for yourself confidence winning on the pjah tour as you did or having your wife voted as hotest wife on the

bjah tour which you also did um that's good that's a good one yeah no i i would i would say the second one is better yeah she's yeah she's a 10 that's like the grand slam yeah of cool shit no yeah i mean you know Yeah, she beat out Elyne. She beat out Amy Mickelson. Like, that was when, like, back in the day, right? Like, that was, those are people she... Back when they're hot to, that what you're trying to say? Those are the people she was competing against.

That's when there's not chicks. Not all these dogs. No, yeah. Number one in the official world wife rankings. That's nice. Yeah, in my book, she still is. She's a 10. I love her.

I got paired with him a lot early on right when I was getting sponsored. Actually, in the first ever tour event I played, a Byron Nelson. So my mom and his wife walked together all the time. time. I was like, God, you get a tour card? You get a bat? That's pretty good game. She got a sister, too. All right. Next question. We better get move on.

Tough breaking out of it. You don't want me to tell that story? Have you ever been given a shout out by the great Bill Walton? Oh, my gosh. This was a great story. So the legendary Jim Decker and I go to Las Vegas, and we're going for the

Pac-12 tournament. and it's at the MGM and Jim Decker is a legendary gambler. And so we've got all the VIP things that you can imagine. Jim Decker may or may not have won a handful of money at the blackjack table. I had to pull him away to go to dinner. I was like, look, you're up a lot. Let's go to dinner. So he's like, we go to dinner.

He's like, thank you for pulling me away. So then we go to the game. They've got like three games in a row. And so we're going to go catch the last two games. We go down and we're sitting courtside, feet on the floor. And Bill Walton is literally from me to, Stoltz away from Decker, right? And Decker's like, yo, it's like, I know Bill Walton. Like, I was like, I know you know Bill Walton, but Bill Walton does not know you.

Yeah, big difference. He's like, no, no, no. Actually, Bill Walton knows me. I was like, he does not know you. So sure enough, Decker says, you know, there's breaks and Bill Walton's taking his headset off and he's standing up and he says, Decker says, hey, Bill, Jim Decker. I was at the Michael Jordan fantasy camp 12 years ago. Do you know, remember me? Do you remember me? I had to sit crossover. Yeah. And he's like, it was up, it was up in, you know, and he's like, oh, he's like, Decker. He's like, Lefty. Yeah, yeah, you had a great bank shot. And I don't know if Bill Walton really remembered this or not, but it was like, it made Decker's life, right? And he's, and so anyway, Bill Decker says, look, here's Parker.

He played at UCLA, and Bill's like, oh, great to meet you, you know, play on the PGA tour. It's great. UCLA Bruin. So anyway, they come back from. commercial. The cameraman sitting court side, and he Walton tells the producer like, hey, we want to start talking about these two guys that are sitting courtside. Nothing's going on with Washington versus Washington State.

So the cameraman turns to us and he's like, yo, Bill's talking about you guys. So it turns out the bill says, look, I got to get the camera on these two guys. This is Jim Decker. He's the greatest thing since Steve Nash. He never made it, but he had the great little left-hand

floater off the glass. And he starts telling it, and he says, like, Decker's like, its life is made, right? He's watching Bill Walton from me to you talk about how great he is in this Jordan basketball camp. It's like, the lefty floater was to die for, and he should have made it, you know, next greatest thing since Steve Nash. Then he goes over to me and he's like, oh, Parker McLaughlin, he's UCLA. He's one of the great golfers out of UCA. Meanwhile, I'm like 19th on the list of greatest golfers ever out of UCLA. But, you know how Bill Walton does it.

But it was one of those highlights where you're like, if ever somebody could talk about you, it would be, you would want it to be Bill Walton because he takes it to the next level. And it's one of those moments where Decker and I just, we always laugh about it. It's one of the great stuff. I heard there was a little more to that story where there could have possibly been an incident with a USC player. Decker was getting in that guy's head big time. Oh, he almost, yeah, I mean, he almost got thrown out. This guy almost came over and punched Decker.

And then y'all read it to him at the casino, but he didn't really? Decker's like hide me. That's awesome. Hard to believe. Some legendary stories. Oh, my God. Jim, that was in like the prime.

The prime Jim Decker. Yes. He's telling him since then. All right, my next one. Let's see. All right, just give me,

you used to live with Ricky Barnes, one of your closest friends in the world. Give me the worst traits of Rick as a roommate. Oh. Break down Rick as a living partner. Wow. It's been a minute. I think you'd be pretty damn good.

I'd tell you what. Ricky makes a sneaky good breakfast, right? Like, he cooks the eggs, scrambled eggs perfectly. Low and slow. Like, he's one of the legends at cooking breakfast. He's always making bacon, right? You look at his physique and you're like, dude, he's everything, like, pretty perfect, like, with his eating.

Yeah. And so he's a great breakfast maker. He's always up early. Even after a big night out, dude's first one up making breakfast. Yeah. I don't know if he's a fake drinker. I've seen him. go for real. Of course he goes for real.

He can send it. And he always has everything. Like, hey, dude, I need a Zoon have a Band-Aid, a paperclip at a ball of yarn. He's like, yeah, what size band-aids do you want? He travels with everything. It's like MacGyver. We call him 7-Eleven because like even on the golf course, right? Dude, I'm hungry. Oh, what do you want? I got a bar. I've got, I've got a...

I have old filet that I just... I've got jerky. He always has jerky on him. Oh, jerky. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, he has... He's got 19 different snacks in his golf bag. We used to call him snacks. because he'd have 19 snacks in his bag. So I don't know if there's a, I don't think he had like a bad trait.

I think he's probably solid. Yeah, yeah. He was always, and the rent was the right price. So yeah, he was a great, he was a great rumor. Yeah, he, nobody has more shit with them at all times than Rick's Barnes.

Yeah, no, no, no. If you get bored on the golf course, need a Sudoku, he's got, crosswords, like between shots. I'm like, what are you doing? We're partners in New Orleans. We're walking down the fairway in the tournament. He's doing a crossword of Sudoku.

like, are you kidding me? It's a fact. Yeah, like a hundred-year-old man. Yeah, yeah. No, that's great. All right. Next one. What's a better hangover cure? Liquid Ivy or Dr. Dre's famous song, The Next Episode. Another good story. Yeah, so I was down visiting Ricky Barnes at U of A, and I was at UCLA, and we had had a night the night before. And it was an unbelievable night, and we just went full tilt.

We get up the next morning. We're supposed to go to the football game together. And I am just like, Ricky, I'd puke like how many times. And I was just like, I can't do it, man. I can't do it. He's like, here's some Gatorade. You know, just you'll be all right. You'll be fine.

And I was like, Gatorade wasn't working. It was coming back up. So anyway, he just says, he says, look, man, he's like, the game's about 30 minutes from now. Like, we got good seats. We got to go. And he throws on some Dr. Dre. He cracks open to Coors Light, and it was like, let's go. I'm back.

I'm back. And we sent it. Said it was like that WWE guy or whatever, that just popped like he's dead. And then he just, as soon as like next time, he's like, dude, he just popped up. Like someone had just given him a shot. Oh, yeah. Weekend at Bernie's dead. Dead.

Music comes on. Bam. You know what? I was dead out on the couch. And Ricky got up at six as he does, goes out, goes to 7-Eleven, gets a bunch of snacks and stuff. He's like, hey, get in my bed. So I got in his bed and I was like, I'm going to be out for the day. Sure enough, he puts on some dray, and we were like, let's go.

I was up and ready to go. He's a good little, like, caretaker, you know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. He knew exactly the recipe for the chef to get you back up. All right, but last one for me. Is it true you tried to come back to UCLA for a fifth year when you found out that the golf team would be posing nude for golf digest? I heard you tried to slide back in.

I would have actually been my sixth year. Yes. And I would have. So you could be a doctor. I would have. Yeah. the picture with the golf balls right here. Yeah, I feel like that's you, dude.

Yeah, I was really disappointed that I was not part of that because I was like, yeah, I felt like I raised those guys, right? I was like the only senior. There was no juniors on the team. I was the only senior and there was a bunch of sophomores and freshmen. And so I was like, man, I raised these guys. We're in the gym. We're all getting yoke together.

Sure enough, next year they're on the cover of whatever. I'm like, God, I missed that. I forgot about that. Yeah, remember that? Think what that could have long? Who was it? It was like Merrick. Travis Johnson.

Travis, TJ was in that thing. I can't remember like the young kids or whatever. I was like, that thing came out and it was like, what the? I was like, UCLA is wild. They get the range balls over their nuts. I mean, the difference. All the fans, they would have popped off nowadays. The difference from when I went to college of like what golf was looked at,

when I went to college was like 97, right? And so Tiger had just kind of come on the scene. Golf was still kind of like nerd. You're a nerd. play golf. Then all of a sudden, Tiger wins, and it's like, whoa, golf's kind of cool. And then by the time I leave five years later, and these guys are on the cover of whatever golf digest looking, like, naked with golf balls in front of them, it was like, wow,

like look at where golf has come. Like, these guys are real athletes. So it's like it made a huge shift from year one to year five. Yeah, after 97 for sure. Yeah. All right. Next one. There's going to be some math involved here.

So put that UCLA brain to work right here. What's a larger number? Okay, the margin of victory for you at Reno Tahoe or the number of penalty strokes you took on the seventh hole at Quail Hollow. I'm going to go. Penalty strokes. Yeah, so that's a good story. Carry the one. So the seventh hole at Quail Hollow, dog leg left, par five.

And I was working on like, I was always a little low kind of healy cutter. This whole never set up well for me. but I was working on something in my swing to try to hit this, like, hydrawl. And I was just determined, right? It was like mid part of the year. And I was like, I've been working on this for like five, six months. Like, this should be ready to go. And I hit this thing and it just go over to the right.

And there's water there. Now, it's a water hazard, but then beyond the water hazard is out of bounds. It's a guy. Rather nice houses. Really nice houses. Yeah, like I'd love to be friends with those people. And so anyway, so I hit this. a shot and it looks like it goes in the water. So I'm walking up there. I think I was paired with

Martin Laird and Stuart Appleby. So I walk up there and we get all the way up to the water. I was like, is this all right to drop? And I can't remember which one said it, but they were like, actually, I think it went over the water and it's in their house. It's out of bounds. And I was like, could have told me this on the tee. Yeah, before I walked three yards. Yeah. So now they're like, you're going to have to go back. The call rules official, he's like, yeah, I mean, if they think it went over there, you got to go back. So my caddy, Don Donatinello, legend of a caddy, he grabs my driver and three golf balls and leaves the bag there.

And we ride back. So much confidence in his man. He's bringing a sleep. Just a kiss. Just a kiss. This is great. We ride back to the T-box. And already in the T-box was Davis Love and Ray Ujima.

Now, granted, Davis Love was probably like one of the guys I idolized growing up. And I remember the first time I played with Davis and he hit this three iron off a T that went like, like my nine iron on like 235, 240 hole. And I was like, I can't pull the trigger. Like I don't, I had to hit after him. I was like, I can't. So anyway, I already had this thing on Davis Love. I was like, I can't even. So now I'm hitting three off the T with Davis watching me.

Hit the exact same shot into this guy. his backyard. I was like, give me another ball. T it up again. Hit the exact same shot. Give me another ball. Don, again, like 10 cup. He's like, look, this is the last ball I have. The other balls are in the bag. You better hit this in play. Oh, my God. So anyway, so I hit this one in play. I get up. I end up making a 13 on the hole, right? 13, eight over par on this hole. It's not a difficult par five. It's one of the easier part five. I mean, there's trouble. There's trouble, but yeah.

They eat it alive. Yeah. Guys eat it alive. And so I make a 13 on this hole. The guy carrying our sign felt so bad for me, right? He just removed both of the numbers off of this. Yeah, the standard bear. Yeah, just blank. So people were like, I could hear him as I was walking on the fair.

Like, I wonder what he is for the day. Like, he's not even on there. Anyhow, I shoot like, like, oh, I must have shot like 88 that day. It was a bad day. It was probably one of the lowest, like. lowest days of golf that I had ever had. And I love that tournament. I love that golf course.

I had played well there previously. But I was going through this whole swing thing, and it was like, I could not find, like, which way the golf ball was going. So, yeah, a little 13 on number seven there. It's beautiful. So it sounds like, yeah.

I ate over on that whole. But six penalty shots. Six penalty shots. So I won by seven. You won by a touchdown. Yeah. That is incredible. I love that he took a sleeve of balls back to the tea.

That's my favorite part of the story. But Parker, man, congrats on everything. This was awesome to sit down with you. Keep up the great work. Yeah, thanks, man. Yeah, we're doing, you know, I feel like we're doing good stuff for the people. Like I launched this website, shortgamecheft.com, and we're just, we're trying to get people like just to understand how fun the short game can be. And that's always been my whole motto.

And so it's been a fun sort of transition from playing to now teaching. And I get a kick out of seeing people get better. I need some help. This is the man right here. Come see the chef. Appreciate you, my man. Thanks, boys. Got it.

All right, that was the short game chef. Parker McLaughlin joining us. I can't believe how disappointed he was when all those people showed up at Phoenix Open and the chef hats. Thought they were for him. Like, oh, my, this is just taking off. I knew it was.

I knew Instagram was powerful. But, dude, he's made a nice move from, like, playing, you know, one on the PGA tour, kind of hovering around, getting X amount of starts per year, and then, boom, like, taking off with the short game stuff. You've got tons of people around, and he's got the way he teaches is great.

That's why I really like. getting into this stuff with A Zinger, because he actually took me down to spend a few days with Zinger, and to this day is like, that's probably the most valuable few days of golf instruction that I've ever had, and he's taking that and running with it and adding his own stuff to it. Look, I know a lot of our listeners suck at chipping. Probably got the yips. Parker can help you out. So definitely go look him up, book a lesson with him, and he'll help you. Let's go back real quick to the players, because one thing we forgot to touch on, a full field event with a cut. I mean, we've been very adamant about this. We don't like.

the limited field, no cut events. I feel like they kind of run stale. There's not that much excitement until possibly the weekend if we do get a really bunched leaderboard. But this week, 144 guys, a cut. We saw a guy jump off to a five-shot lead and then some of the best players in the world. I think we had number three, six, and nine or ten.

Yeah, it wasn't like a lot of Cinderella stories on this leaderboard. And this is what we want. But you have to have a large field with a cut so you can get that leaderboard bunched. I mean, we couldn't ask for anything more other than possibly if we would have a three or four-man playoff. Yeah, if all four of those dudes could have had a three-hole playoff, like that would have been the dream scenario. But we were damn close to it. And it's by far and away the most entertaining best event on the PJ tour this year.

Maybe in a long time, actually. But this is my whole deal with these signature events. Like, they're great because all the best players have to play. But just give us 100. Give us 120. Cut it to 60. I don't care. Just get it in there where we have a full field where Thursday, Friday matter.

and they have to earn their way to Saturday and Sunday, and I promise you there is going to be a much more bunched leaderboard and a lot more drama coming down the stretch on Sunday. Yeah, it just kind of goes contrary to what they preach. We're like, this is our flagship event. This is the biggest event on the PJ tour that the PJT tour runs, period, bar none. It's the players. And they're like, oh, yeah, for that, we're going to have 144 guys and we're going to cut.

But then it's like, here's our other signature event. We're going to have half of that and no cut. Or maybe 10 dudes are going to get cut max. Like, I was like, why wouldn't you stick with the blueprint for what's your mark event, you know, throughout the year. Why do you got to switch it? And I'm with you, dude. I think 120 is kind of a nice number. That cut, chop it in half, boom, 60 people, bam, you got a night. And it's still going to be hard to do. But there's so many guys outside the top 70 that potentially change their careers

that are good enough to go and contend or win these things that just don't get a shot to play in most of them. Look, 120, you have no problem finishing with daylight. You can tee off one and 10 like you always do. I just think it's a no-brainer. And also, like I said, it gives maybe not Thursday, but it gives Friday some juice. If you sit there and you see Roy McRoy has got a birdie one of his last four to be around for the weekend. I think it interests the viewer at home.

Yeah, and there was some big names that didn't play the weekend this week. But is it a better tournament if they're going off super early on Saturday, you know, way ahead of four hours before. Like, does that change anything? Like, they don't show one shot on TV. They don't see one shot on TV.

Maybe if you're on property, like, oh, I get a chance to see this guy hit a couple of shots. But like, it doesn't, in my opinion, make the golf tournament any better. Like, it comes down to the guys at the top. and the more guys you get in the field, the better chance I think you have of having a finish like we had this past week.

100%. And also, if you noticed, it wasn't a shotgun start. It was not. If there was a shotgun start, imagine that shit. There was tea times through it. I saw you lob that tweet out on Twitter. I was like, here we go. I'm bored.

Chumb the waters. There goes, swim up to the boat. We got a little fun with it. I knew that would stir some shit up. All right, let's move on to the Valspar championship. One of the most underrated golf courses on the PGA tour, Innesbrook Copperhead. It's a hard-sum bitch.

Taylor Moore is your defending champion. Shot 10 under last year to win. I love that. It was concrete. I was there. It was freaking so firm. It was awesome to watch. This is what we want.

Hopefully no rain this week. And I would expect the winning score to be very similar. Yeah, I mean, we got 20 at the players. I'd love to see that chopped in half this week. Yeah. I mean, they had zero win for the most part. Thursday when I looked up, but there was like the only day I didn't watch almost every shot. And I was like, God, this thing, they're killing.

And balls were spinning back in the afternoon. Yeah. It just wasn't, it didn't want bouncy. All right. Get some wind. Get some heat. that place will get very, very difficult. And I'm going to go with my favorite.

It's going off at 12 to 1, so it's not really going out of limb. I'm not taking Zander Shafley, who's the massive favorite. But this guy's won here twice. He's coming off 12 cuts in a row. Had a great Saturday at the players, struggle a little bit on Sunday, but I know he loves this golf course. It's so perfect for him. Give me Sam Burns.

Sam Burns. Yeah, good pick. This is, I think, a good, like, horses for courses type of golf course. Look at the guys that have won here. It's like straight drivers, typically, good iron players. You know, Kevin Strylman. has had big success here. Taylor Moore fits that mold. I'm going with the same type of a guy. A little further down than you, but he's 22 to 1 coming off a monster week.

It was one of those four guys we talked about just one shot short of that playoff at the players. But give me Brian Harmon. Kids rolling right now, hits it straight, great iron player. Putter always works, it seems like. So I'm going to ride the hot hand with B. Harm. I mean, most golf courses are good for Brian Harmon. A firm fast. Firm, fast. In this, Brooke, will be really good. Players, too. Like, that's a great type of golf course. My whole deal with that is, like, can he keep it going?

for another week because it took so he shot an even par on Thursday and then got hot, had a hot plate the rest of the week and almost ended up getting in there. It was fun to watch Biharm battle it out. He is not scared. I love that. And he hits it like normal human. Like it's fun to watch Windham hit three iron pitching wedge on 18, but like you can't really relate to that.

Well, in Harmon, who's not short, by the way, but it's more like, all right, that's regular human type stuff. And yet he still finds a way to get it done. 168 ball speed. Yeah, like one and 188. Yeah, not, yeah, comparative one 91. All right, my dark horse, scored off at 60 to 1.

Had top five club throws in the history of golf last week. Yeah. I think he got it out of the way and he's going to be ready to rock this week. 60 to 1, pass champion, Adam Hadwin. Yep, love that. Horses for courses, pass champ,

great setup for him, and impeccable. Very un-Adam hadwin-like, by the way. The form was beautiful. It was good, just middle of green, rolling left, rolling left, soup.

That's what that golf course does to you. It was beautiful. All right, I'm going just slightly further down the board here. This one, if this one hits, this one's going to make me look smart as shit. 65 to 1, okay, coming off a very nice week, 16th at the players. Two wins on the PJ tour. It doesn't get a lot of love, a little bit under the radar, but love his golf swing. Extremely simple.

And when he gets it going, it's good enough to win. Give me SEP Straca. Oh, big ox from Austria. Awesome. Good night, Mike? By the way, still. Yeah, exactly. I still don't believe he's from Austria with that accent.

I mean, he sounds more southern than Kevin Kisner. Yeah, when he's on the year, like, it's just kind of third. was a wrench in the whole thing. When you got like Shane Lowry talking to Sepp Stratkis. Olai, Olai, Y'all are you? Y'all in the same continent, are you? Cool. No, but I love it.

Great caddy, Dewey on the bag. Pound for pound, largest player caddy combo out there. Pound for pound, the most pounds. The most pounds. Is that where you going? That's where I'm going. Yeah, okay. Pound for pound.

But I like it. They have the most. I like it. All right. Big Sep. All right. Well, that's going to do it. Everybody enjoy the Valspar championship, and we'll talk to you on next week's subpar.