Subpar - Jamie Sadlowski Interview: His unlikely path to World Long Drive Champion, becoming Grandpa Jamie

Episode Date: March 2, 2021

On this week's episode of GOLF's Subpar, professional golfer Jamie Sadlowski joins former PGA Tour pro Colt Knost and his close friend and on course rival Drew Stoltz for an exclusive, in-studio, interview. The two-time World Long Drive Champion explains his unusual journey to competing in long drive events, what it's like having Gary McCord on the bag during competitive rounds, and how he was talked into becoming Grandpa Jamie.

Hello world. Welcome to another week at golf subpar, Colt Nost and Drew Stoltz, and what it week it was at the WGC down at the concession sleeves. Colin Moracawa put on a clinic. Oh, I mean, the ball striking, it was like going back in time watching that PGA championship. When that kid gets it firing on all cylinders, Tita Green, it's a joke. I mean, it's unlike anyone else I think you can find on the PGA tour right now. And the difference this week was new putted grip. He debuted at Riviera. Didn't have the best success.

I think he was actually last in the field for guys that made the cut. cut at Rives, stuck with it. And then this week at concession, you finished, ended up the week 10th in putting, which when you're the best ball striker in the field, I think it was strokes gain number one in pretty much every category that mattered. You're going to win a lot of golf tournaments doing that. Yeah, I mean, his ball striking is elite, one of the best on tour, arguably the best iron player in the game.

It's really cool to see a guy who's not the longest. You know, he's around 160 on the PGA tour and driving distance. It's at 294, which is not short. But his iron play is just stellar. It is so cool to watch. he picks apart golf courses and like you said when the putter is going for him look out like he might run away from fields he was 256 in strokes game putting heading into this week on the pGA tour of the season he finished 10th in the in the in the in the wgc in one by three yeah he the good thing for conmore cow is

he doesn't have to become the world's greatest putter he just needs to be middle of the pack and he's going to be hard to beat with the way he hits the golf ball every single week and when you look at his wins he's got four now well three of them are on three of the hardest golf courses you're going to see on the PJ tour. He went at Harding Park during the PJ Championship. That's tough concession this week was really hard. And then he won at Jack's Place for the workday, which is also a big, tough golf course. So it seems like the harder the venue, the more his ball striking shines. And his caddy made some note of that this week saying, like, when there's a reward from hitting bad iron shots, that's where the places we're calling more a cow that thrives the most because he doesn't

hit that many bad ones. I mean, he's, he's special. And like you said, he doesn't have to do it by flying it 350 yards through the air. He kind of does it like a normal human until he gets iron in the hands and then he's abnormal. he made history this week, became the second player ever to win a major championship in a WGC before the age of 25 joining only the great Tiger Woods. Yeah, when you're, when there's two guys that have got a record and the other one's Tiger Woods, you know, you're in pretty good company. But, I mean, he's off to the races. I think he's pretty much solidified his spot on the U.S. Rider Cup team this year and he was doing a little bit of battle with Victor Hovlin coming down the

stretch this last week. And I think that's, those are two guys that are going to go head-to-head a lot in the future, and I would love to see those two guys go head-to-head in a Riter Cup singles match if we could do it, because they're really similar. They both Tita Green, unbelievable, and then the only weaknesses, I guess, you could call it in their game are chipping and putting around the green, but ball striking-wise, I mean, it's ridiculous. They might be going good, good from six feet for Bertie if they play each other. You know what, scoop that. Yeah, just see who can hole in Adair on the next thought.

But, man, got to take your hat off to Colin Morikawa. What a performance. And Victor Hovlin as well, and, by the way, people ought to start getting a little nervous with the way Brooks Keppka's playing golf, because major championship season is coming. coming and Brooks is rounding into form. Yeah, he looked good. He had a sneaky chance at the end, you know, had the eagle putt on, I believe 17 that he ended up three putting, but he was right there again.

And yeah, there's something like when those majors get coming, if he's healthy, he's going to be a hard guy to ignore. But I thought that was our first time looking at concession, the golf club. That place was unbelievable. I mean, if they don't get a PJ championship or something out there, I think that's a whiff because that place looked unbelievable. I don't know how fans can get around it, logistically speaking,

but from a golf course setup, I mean, that thing, it looks real. I mean, it really separates the field. I mean, you can see if you were off, you really, really struggled, but if you're on, you could get it a little bit. I think there was 32 shots between first and last of 72 guys and 72 of the best players in the world. I mean, we saw Bryson DeShambo go out and shoot 77, 64, 63, something like that. So you can really, the good is good, but the bad, you get punished around concession. Yeah, when you got no cut and you don't get to just tap out and say, all right, I've had enough, you've got to go up there and grind for four days. They're going to put some big numbers up.

but you're right. Like, there's just not much you can do to stop the best players in the world from tearing a place up if the weather's pretty good like we saw this week without getting super weird on the course setup. So yeah, Colin still went out there and shot a lot under par. But you saw it with the guys that weren't clicking on all cylinders. Saw some big numbers going on the board, which you typically not seeing a whole lot of. Yep. He has moved to number four in the official world golf rankings. I mean, he is, I don't think it's fair for us to say he's a superstar in the making.

I think he already is a superstar. We can eliminate the in the making right now. He's played 41 events on the PGA tour, four wins. I believe it was, who was it, J.T. Rory, and Jordan Spieth won four times combined after all three of those guys had played 41 events on the PJ tour. So those guys weren't slow starters, you know what I mean? And he's already got four out of 41. I mean, that's, and big tournaments, too, a major in a WGC now. Well, yeah, so it's going to be really cool to see what he can do.

But our guest this week is a guy that plays golf a little different than Colin Morcala does. He kind of has full throttles. I mean, it's all gas, no break for our man Jamie Sidlowski, who, joined us here in studio. Yeah, he's a guy, he's eight, as you'll see, he's a super fun guy to hang out with. He's a Canadian. I think he wears that on his sleeve. He's one of the best guys around, but like, you probably get asked the question too, people like, who's the most impressive guy you ever seen? Who's the best player you ever played with? Like, we've gotten to play with some of the best guys in the world, and we've seen it. But like, you haven't, until you've seen

Jamie Sidlowski hit a golf ball, like, you don't even know that what he does is possible. Like, it just comes off with a different sound. It's so far away, so quick. It's just a joke because when you look at him, I mean, he's 510, 165 pounds. He's strong, but he's small. But it's just, it comes off the face like, I mean, nothing, legitimately, nothing you've ever seen. Pound for pound longest hitter in the building. Pound for pound shortest hitter in the building.

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on golf subpar all right we got an absolute physical freak in the house today. I'm not talking about me or Colt. Pound for pound, the longest driver to ever hit a golf ball, two-time world long drive champion. Jamie Siddleski, how the hell are you, fella? Doing well, fellas. Pound for pound longest, pound shortest?

What a show this is going to be. This is it. A couple of record setters. If you ever need me for a scramble, I'm available. Two-man scrambles, man. Sounds incredible. I want to get out of the cart until we get to the green. No problem. I love it. Well, this is going to be very, very exciting. We're so happy. We've been trying to do this for a while.

Now we finally got it. You're here in Scottsdale. How's everything been going? It's good. It's good to be out of Canada. Obviously with the weather and the pandemic and lockdowns and whatnot. So it's nice to come to a little bit of reality. There's people actually live in their lives.

Yeah, so you were scheduled to play on the Canadian tour last year before all this all hell broke lives. Yeah. So last year I didn't even get a chance to play Q school. I was in March. And then, yeah, they kept postponing, postponing. I was down here and then finally went home mid-March. And then they end up canceling tour school. not long after that and canceling the year.

So it's been kind of a year of doing a whole lot of nothing. What do you do when they cancel? Like that's where you're planning on playing all summer and then that goes away. What do you've been doing? Yeah. Well, I mean last year, like if you didn't have PJ tour status or cornerfrey your status, you weren't playing anywhere. They tried to throw some events throughout the year, but it wasn't anything really going on.

And since like 2003, I hadn't taken a break, you know, playing junior hockey and then, you know, right in the long drive. I never had any time off. So last summer was just like rest of the body. I had some shoulder issues, took care of that. And then I played up in Canada. I just messed around with the buddies, played a lot of four-man scrambles.

I pretty much tripled my Canadian to her money in the first two months. Two-man-old-old-man-old-strap. He's got to be that most highly coveted scramble player on planet Earth. I tell you what, my phone was buzzing all summer, which is nice. That is awesome. I love that. And they pay in cash. Yes.

Cash is a nice thing. Cash is good. Well, let's go back to the beginning because, obviously, growing up in Canada, you played a lot of hockey. Yeah. Not sure when golf came about, but we'll get into that. But growing up was, Was the NHL the dream?

I don't know if the NHL was a dream, but I mean, being from Northern Alberta, I mean, I was literally on skates by two years old, so it's all we knew. We had a rink in the backyard, and I mean, 40 below out. Here we go. Rink in the backyard? Yeah, my dad.

40 below. That's it. Can't do it anymore. Good skating weather. It's not good skating weather now, but being kind of a Scottsdale resident now, that doesn't really vibe too well. But, yeah, so, I mean, it was always hockey in the winter,

golf in the summer, but obviously with a short season, but hockey was probably the main focus. I love golf. No one of my family played. So it was something I just did by myself. So was golf at a very early age? Yeah, like I picked up a club.

I was probably four or five years old. I lived by a field and I would just go bang balls back and forth all day. And then kind of by fluke is how really my whole life has been. So this field, there was a, it was like, I don't know, 120, 150 yards. And I was banging balls. And every summer I'd get a little longer and I'd start hitting houses. And the greenskeeper had a lot.

house on the end of the corner I started hitting the top of his shingles and he's like man you can't be doing this anymore so he's the one that took me over kind of gave me rights to practice I'd go getting the picker shagg balls all day and hit balls for free and just kind of taught myself how to play golf that's awesome when did you realize you were hitting houses at age what age was that when you were hitting the dude's house I mean probably five six years old but always kind of having like normal shit like one thing with me is like everything is full tilt like everything's done with speed. It doesn't matter. Like if I'm going to throw you a ball and you're standing at that door, like I'm going to rip this ball, I do because that's just who I am. I'm never going to try to

catch a ball. That's true Canadian. It's just, you know, full, full throttle. But yeah, I think like from, I remember being seven years old, hitting balls on the range and people are coming to watch. I'm like, what the hell is going on? And one thing that I did was I play cross-handed until I was probably 12 years old. And when I made the switch to conventional grip is when I started hammered. I remember there was like a hill at 200 yards on this range. And one day my greenskeeper comes over, he's like, man, you get, this isn't right. Like either your left ear, we've got to do something. So switch my hands.

And I could always get it top to the top of the hill. It's about 200 yards. And switch hands, like, go back the next week and ball's carrying over. And then the fence is at 250. And the ball's carrying over the fence. I'm like, wow, that's pretty good. And yeah, just kind of, but self-taught, like, had no idea what I'm doing. At what age did you ever start getting, or did you,

ever get started getting an instruction never had any until 2016 wow that's nice and so you i mean you're a world long drive champion and you never had anyone help you with their golf swing you know and like when i signed my agent like 2007 he told me he goes the only time you'll ever analyze your golf swing is when you see it on ESPN christmas eve and it's a one hour clip and that's the only thing you're ever going to see but i didn't see my golf swing the years that i won i seen it on tv i didn't know what i did doing i knew it was pretty damn good i knew it was efficient enough to hit it 430 yards but like i had no knowledge of anything but you were still good at like i played with you before you know when you were still competing in world and you were a good golfer like so you could chip you could

put you could do things that you wouldn't expect a long drive guy to do you just did you picked up all that yeah just i think just having the ability to play multi sports i wasn't just a golfer i wasn't just a hockey player you know i was good at badminton i was good at other stuff good at running so just having the hand-eye coordination and playing cross-hand. It ever do, it gets hard to hit a ball and I could hit a golf ball. Like to this day, I still had a driver 300 yards crossed-handed, no problem. So just no problem. I hate you.

Just those attributes that I got as a young kid, not knowing what I was doing, obviously, you know, created speed, created power. That, no idea. Did you start? Sorry. Go ahead. That just blows my mind that you never had any instruction or anything. Never. And you're one of the longest drivers on the planet.

Yeah. All natural out. See, I wasted all that money in time with this instruction, and now I'm one of the shortest guys. You're probably getting fucking bombs if you never saw any teachers. You're still teachable. Randy Smith, your fault. Way to go. Randy.

Did you play cross-handed because you were left-handed, right? And there were any left-handed clubs or what? My dad had me an old power built driver and like a four and a seven iron and a wedge. And that's all I had. And I probably should have been a left-y, but just cross-handed felt natural and I couldn't get left-handed clubs. Were you left-handed hockey? Yeah. Slapshot, right?

Like, yeah. 105, I was told. Yeah, I can shoot one-05. 105 on a slap shop. Yeah. Sanino Chara. God, look out. Yeah.

He's a little bigger. I probably shoot hard and Kami, actually. Oh, no doubt. He kind of had a muffin. Muffin. I love that. We'll get into some more hockey for sure. But one thing I was going to ask is, what age did you start?

Because I heard at 16, you possibly hit one over 400. Is that true? Yeah. So, I mean, it was probably like, so when I, my first qualifier for, long drive was in 2003. Well, stop right there. Why did you start the long drive thing? Fluke.

Actually, yeah, total fluke. I mean, to this day, I swear if I wasn't there to watch my brother-in-law compete, I mean, he was a baseball player, a big guy hit him a mile, and I went with him. He was qualifying at a district near Edmonton, and I just, we were going to go play golf after I had my sticks, and we show up, he hits some, and then there's a junior category, and the guy running the event for remax. was played hockey with my dad. And he's like, we got a junior category.

Like, get your driver, hit a few. I'm like, okay. He'll get the old 983K, 8 degree out, bang, a few hit it like 375. I'm like, oh! One by a lot. And he's like, that's pretty good. So a couple months later is the district. And the kid that finished second in the world that year,

I hit against him. I'm like, geez, kind of tough luck. Got some equipment built. End up beating him, went to Worlds. and it's kind of how it started. Just a fluke thing. That was a tough journey. Total fluke.

And I'm like, man, this is easy. I'm like, I don't even know what I'm doing. Didn't have the right equipment. No idea. Just stepped up, hit it 375. Didn't know if that was good or not. It felt pretty good. Yeah.

And then, yeah. So one thing led to another. And then I went down to Worlds that year. And I think I finished like fourth out of eight. Went back, finished third. And then I went back to back years, 05, 06. That was the junior. That was the junior stuff.

Yeah. Jesus. Just stepped up, hit it, 375 first hour. Yeah, never had a lesson or anything. Didn't need that bullshit. I kind of figured something was going on, though, because I'd call the titleist wrap like three times that year because I've caved three drivers in.

And he goes, like, what are you doing? Hitting rocks? I'm like, no, I'm just, I play golf every day. I hit a lot of balls, but like I'm not doing anything I shouldn't be doing. Just, yeah. So after that junior, the deal that you want, was that when you were first time, we're like, yo, I get, like, this might be a real thing, like a career.

It would have been in, like, 2006. So I won World at Trophy Club. You played Trophy Club. that first hole or 10th hole, whichever it is, it's the dogleg par five. That night, the remax balloon, they always, anyone that's watched it sees that big remax balloon out there. And I like three hopped it off that balloon. And it's at like 427.

And that was pretty good. One by a lot. That got me a spot into the World Championship in the Open Division. And I finished like top 24, which was kind of considered making the finals. And I beat out like Carl Walter, former World Long Drive champion. Beast and I beat out a lot of big names. I'm like, this doesn't really seem that hard. Made a little bit of money.

And then 2007, and I was still playing, like, I'm still training for hockey, like playing hockey. Like, I'd leave camp banged up. 07, two broken fingers, taped them together, couldn't hold a club, finished third in the world that year, made 30 grand. Like, I'm playing hockey in a small town. I'm driving my mom's Ford Windstar minivan, party wagon. Sick.

We're like humming down the highway, chucking beer bottles. because both doors open. And I win 30 grand. I'm like, man, this is pretty cool. Buy myself a vehicle. Play the whole year of hockey that year. Get, you know, it's hard on the body. And then that spring, I was training, obviously,

and doing everything I needed to do. And I called my coach. I'm like, hey, man, here's a deal. I'm in good shape. I'm not coming to camp this year. I was a captain in the previous year. I'm like, you know what I can do. I'm not coming to camp.

I'm going to worlds and I'm not going to be hurt. win a quarter million. It seemed pretty easy. Call them, I'm like, no more. See you later, bud. Actually not coming back ever. But like you win the juniors and then you go compete against in the regular division. I don't know if any of those guys had ever seen you before,

but you're not the biggest new on the planet, 510, 160-ish somewhere around there. Like when you walk on the range, I mean, all these muscle freaks, did they kind of look at you and be like, who the hell is this guy? Yeah, I remember we took a photo for the top 24 that year. And there's a guy that's 6'7, 300. And I'm standing next to him. Yeah, Mike Dobbins. And I look like a baby.

His kid. Like, I look like I don't belong. And everyone's big. And I think, like, I honestly feel that changes sport a lot. Because from then on, like, you've seen guys that were normal sized humans, more of them, but with better golf swings. That could create speed from technique and not just being a big muscle bound guy. But I mean that I can't tell you. I have, I made nine straight finals.

and I have every picture on my wall in the basement, and there's one guy that doesn't belong. One of these things is not like the others. Yeah, it just didn't make sense. That's so cool, though. Oh, it's ridiculous. I mean, but so Bryson right now, he's the guy like pushing all this days.

It's his big deal. Like, he'll put it out on Instagram if he can hit 1.30 mile an hour club head speed. Like, that's a big deal. But most of the long guys are 120s on the PJ tour. When you're winning these things, what was your club head speed? So 2015 was my last year that fall. Like I averaged probably close to 150 miles an hour, 220, two tons of.

and 23 miles an hour. So for a little guy, I can move it pretty good. Just an extra 20 plus, 25, basically, miles an hour more than like the top guys on the PGA tour, which is the equivalent of them, like you, them to you would be like them to a guy that swings at 100. Exactly, yeah. Which is a, yeah. To me.

Yeah, indo, yeah. Undo, smooth hondo, though. A smooth wedge out there today. You mentioned your training earlier. Take us through, like, a day of training when you were competing for world long draft. Yeah. One thing I never did was over practice. I mean, it's so hard on your body swinging, you know, not being a big guy, 40-inch club,

heavy club. Like, I never hit too many balls. You know, I would work on strength, obviously, but I always found, like, when I competed, I was 165 pounds. When I showed up at Worlds, it didn't matter if it was 2006 or 2015. Like, I was 165 pounds. I was heavier at times and I wasn't as fast. But for me, it was just all about, you know, getting a club way past parallel and being flexible

and as strong as like I say I think like my strength is a little bit underrated like I'm deadlift 500 pounds looking at this frame doesn't really seem achievable but I think just the fast switch fibers being athletic is is a huge key to that and I was never a guy that was going to show up you know changing my body like bryson has to me that wasn't an advantage to me that just creates injuries and more problems but technique I'd work on technique but these guys now I watch them they're hitting 500 drivers a day that is not good Like, that's how you have a short career, in my opinion. Yeah, man, that's what Bryson said when he took that four-week break. He's like, I'm going to go home and I'm hit 20,000 drivers. Yeah, and everyone's different. And that was never my MO. Not to say it was right or wrong, but it just wasn't who I am. Like, I would, leading up to worlds, I would take a month off and literally just do nothing.

Because I was doing 70 corporate outings. And literally at end of every show, I'd hit 12 drivers with the 48-inch driver. And that was it. That was, I seen the ball flight look good. No problem. Good to go. But you told me, I think once, and correct me if I'm wrong, you would do for like a part of your workout was two hours on the stairmaster. Yeah, there was a time where I was really crushing the cardio.

Jesus. Two hours. Hindsight's 2020. So maybe that wasn't the greatest thing. Just trying to be lean, you know, show up at 160. Like this skinny guy. But yeah, it probably wasn't the best training. But I would sit on there for an hour just because I was bored.

What other stuff do you do like for speed trains? Since you weren't trying to bulk up and gain a bunch of weight, what are you doing to try to get faster other than, stairmaster yeah you know i ain't gonna lie to you from like 2003 to 2015 i didn't do much speed trading it was just kind of honestly it's like teaching a pitcher to throw it 105 miles an hour it's either he's got it or he doesn't you can squeeze a few miles an hour here or there but to in my opinion you either have it or you don't maybe bryson's proving me wrong but he's changed his body immensely and is that going to be something that's going to last 10 years 15 years like

Like your tendons, your muscles, to me, if I bulked up at 190 pounds, my frame can't handle it. Bone structure, all that stuff. To me, you're bringing in so many other elements that I wasn't interested in doing. But, you know, I worked out hard and lifted some weights. I did like a lot of Olympic lifts and stuff like that. Obviously, try to prevent injury. The way I train now is I'm not necessarily trying to get faster, just prevent injuries, you know, be stable, strong enough to swing. Who was the guy that you looked up to in World Long Drive?

Who was the first guy? When you first met him, you were kind of like in awe, maybe. Jason Zubak, obviously. Fellow Canadian, five-time world champion. And he's not that tall, right? No, he's probably, he's like 5'8, but he is strong. He was like a linebacker. I remember the first time I met him, he was hitting balls at the Castle Blanker Range

in Mesquite where our World Championship was. And he had a cooler of food there. And I'm hitting balls, and I'm like, hey, man, could I, like, get a picture with you? No problem. and I look over and he's got like asparagus and stuff from there. I'm like, really? That's what it takes. I'm not sure if I'm interested in that.

But like he was the ultimate like did everything the right way. That's why he's got five of them. But I think mentally that guy was just so much better than everybody. He kind of reminds me of Tiger in the sense that when he showed up, he may not have been the fastest guy, but the mental state that that guy got into, man, couldn't invade his face. Yeah, it was pretty cool to watch for those years.

And then I think the last time he won was like, and I was there for that and that was pretty pretty darn cool to see it happen live and I learned a lot from me he helped me all lot when I was playing in Canada he was on one of the pro-am days I think it was a pro-am tournament up there um he hit he teed off on a par four and teed off with a driver or sorry with a putter yeah and like drove the grain I remember standing next to him and veins popping out of his I mean just looked like a straight unit unit yeah and you know that like long drive from those early days like guys were huge and then I think when I came on scene it was more like it's polish up technique and but it was brute strength back in those days that's what they did i mean they

lifted and like you don't want to go on the gym with that guy you feel very insufficient first off i feel very insufficient anytime i step in the gym and i just don't want to go in the gym and normally i'm lost when i end up in the gym anyway i made a wrong turn yeah but you mentioned the corporate outings earlier yeah you did 70 a year or whatever it was i mean is that something like towards in the year like i can't believe i got to do this again it's honestly like it i made such a great living fortunate to do it but you you've done pro ams you've done the corporate stuff like that i think that was the number one thing that kind of pushed me to trying to play professionally because you kind of feel like a puppet in a sense that when you show up they're like what's your longest

drive like i could literally have three cue cards in my pocket and before you even ask them i'm like is this right yeah this one yeah can you chip and pot and i'm like here we go again but obviously you know it's guaranteed money you show up make sure people feel great. It was fun for the time being. But sitting on a par four or par five all day, I think that was the worst thing. I remember I was,

I think I was working for Dick Sporting Goods then. And Bob Tway shows up. And it was out in like New York at one of their tournaments. And he's like, you got to be here all day? He goes, I was like, yeah. And he goes, it's hard to hit it on that green. I'm like, yeah, it's a 360 cover and I got to hit it on the green. Otherwise they're not leaving.

And he's like, do you know there's two waves? and I was like, no. He's like, have a good day. I'm like, see you later. All right. Have a good day, Bob, play nine and go for lunch. Good. I'm like, that sounds pretty good.

But yeah, it was taxing. I mean, it was. And one thing I wanted to do is I wanted to try to play golf before I killed myself or something went flying off. And that didn't help, obviously. But, you know, I think the contacts I made, I got starts on the web or corn corn fairy because of it. Jeff Sanders, great guy, Boise Idaho.

I did some stuff with him in daily one year at their tournament. It opened a lot of doors. I met a lot of great people. But yeah, it was difficult. I love the World Championship because it was one week of the year that I prepped for. And having great success there. And everything I went into was great. But the corporate outings, it was tough.

Is that kind of, I mean, you said that's one of the reasons that pushed you away. What was the other reason? It was just because you wanted to play professional golf at some point? Yeah, I think I needed a change, you know, like, you know, I was fortunate to win two world championships being in the finals nine straight years probably could have won five or six i beat myself a few times and like it's that world championship is such a fine line like it's the difference between me making birdie on 18 and you making a part and you losing like it is so fragile um but yeah i think just there are some opportunities to play overseas a little bit playing australia see some different

parts of the world you know pack a suitcase for a week instead of one day and you're on a red eye the travel was pretty tough but yeah i think a big part was just a new challenge. I needed something different. It was just like I was kind of like going through the motions of you know, you catch the first flight out to do the outing the next day. You do the outing all day. You get out that night and here we go again, you know, just got kind of kind of repetitive. And now that you're a handful of years into playing professionally, you happy you made that decision? Are you happy now going out and competing playing pro golf? Yeah, I think, you know, getting my feet in the water a bit with, you know, the golf course that I've played, I haven't been

great. Yeah. You know, I've played Boise twice. I've made the cut there. I played Bogota. You ever played Bogota? Yeah. Like, that's a tight, son of a bitch. That first hole is six yards wide. Man, I step on there and I got a six iron on my hands. I'm like, don't pull it. Don't pull it because that OB is right there. But yeah, you know, I think, well, I made three or four cuts on the web, our corned ferry tour, and I'm like, I knew it wasn't that easy, but I had no idea what I was doing. Like my agent's on

the bag. He goes, what do you want to do here? Hit Driver on one at Bogota and I look at him, I'm like, I'm trying to feather like a six iron down there. Because I'd like to hit the next one, not for four, you know. But I, you know, one thing that was a little bit of motivation is not playing great golf courses for me. Like I remember, like, Boise, I maybe hit two drivers on the back-to-back par fives. That was it. Like, I played the golf. You probably need to do it there either.

No, not really because you got to cut in and do whatever. But like, I played those golf courses from where you played them and where everyone else played them. And I played okay, like made cuts and played the weekend and stuff like that. But, yeah, I mean, obviously it was, it's been a challenge. Yeah, and you got a tour start. You play at Colonial. I mean, arguably maybe minus Harbor Town, the other worst place you could possibly. It's like you haven't gotten a shot at a plate like a Torrey or something where you could just let it go.

Let it go. Yeah. And I remember like, I remember when I got the spot at Colonial, I went down with art and we played. And I played it like two weeks before and shot like 65. I'm like, this place is okay. And then tournament week roughs up. Green's a firm. gotta be in position.

It's kind of like RIV. Like it's all about angles. Pins are a little different. Pins are like that's what people don't get. Like people just, you know, playing at Whisper Rock on a Monday versus playing like not the battle of attrition

to that. But like it's much different. Like the greens last week at Whisper Rock were as firm as I've ever seen. And like I'm watching guys hit wedges and they're bouncing over the green. So people. Weekend pins like the pro am.

I mean they throw them 15 off the front 15 from the last like dude this is a totally different ball game oh man like it's just so different people don't understand that aspect of when these guys are firing at flags on the weekend there's not much room they're shooting 20 under with pins three and four from the edge on every hole that's a big difference a little different take me through like how the nerves compare finals of the world long drive versus the first tee of a pj tour event or cornfrey tour event very different for the fact that when I step on the tea at the world long drive championships I've got six nuggets looking at me And I need one of those bad boys.

I just need one. And I, like the first set of six, there's three balls. I kind of separate. I'm like, these three need to go in. These three are for broke. That's how I structured it. But yeah, stepping on the first tee at Colonial, I've standing there, I'm going like. What did you hit off one at Colonial?

I hit driver. Yeah, that's one of the few holes that you could do it. Yeah. I would imagine, too, though, world long drive, you're like, I'm one of the badest. And you're like, no, I'm going to hit this thing. Yeah. And if I do hit it, I mean, they're in trouble. Yeah.

On the BJ towards like, okay, I'm kind of the new guy here. Yeah. I mean, it's such a different mentality. And I think, like, coming from a background of no college golf, playing, like, a couple of decent-sized junior events, and then that's it. Yeah. Like, having to play four days.

Like, the mentality, like, I, like, in Long Drive, it was totally get up for two minutes and 45 seconds, get your adrenaline through the roof. And when that sets over, you're done. You go back to the range. You sit down for an hour. and then you get back up again. We're in golf, like, you step on that first tea and you're like,

flat line, here we go. You're trying to chill out. Yeah, you hit a bad key shot and your heart rate spikes and you're like, oh, shit, here we go. Do you drink a bunch of Red Bulls? Yeah, what do you do to get hyped up before a long drive? I didn't drink much Red Bull because as the day went on. That's a mistake. You kind of start getting a little.

Listen, bud. I get out of you six of them. Yeah. So a lot of music, but I don't know. Oh, that's a great question. What kind of music? Yeah, what were we going with? A lot of skill.

skillics a M&M back in the day stuff to get you up like it was not no country music but now I'm hitting ball with range got a little slow

Bob Marley yeah Bob Marley slow it down transition soften it but yeah I think that's one of the biggest difference is like the only two similarities

that I can take from long drive and professional golf is you have a golf club in your hand like I would show up at the World Long Drive Championship I have 16 drivers in my bay

and I have the wedge that I warmed up with now I've got like I got 14 golf clubs and they all have a purpose and they all have different shots. You know, so it's a much different deal. And just the, you got to be so, like, into it. Like, I don't have the best mindset for, like, being calm for six hours.

Slow play just bothers the shit out of me. And that's one thing, like, you have to learn out there. Like, my first year on the Canadian tour, like, I remember laying in fairways. And I want to chop this guy's head off because he's standing over it and he's got his putter. And he's down. And I'm like, three minutes later, I'm like, man, I would have hit this shot seven times over. Yep. And welcome to the jicks.

I get it. But speaking of Canada, though, is that like I played up there a number of years? That's got to be, in my opinion, from where I've played, arguably the worst two or a few being like, there aren't even, you don't even have the option to hit driver of most of those golf courts. Is that suck for you when you got to play from the same spot as me and you can't do what you do? It does. I mean, the first three events are rough. Like, we play Vancouver. Victoria.

Victoria is tight. It's pure, but it's tight. You can't hit it anywhere. It's a driver, one driver, Colonna, a couple drivers. And then once we go east coast, actually they threw an event in Alberta and Lethbridge that I play well at because I can turn it loose and there's some room. But when we go out east, there's like, I would say from year one to year three, like there's probably three or four golf courses that you can bang it around.

But the first three are four. And the reshuffle happens after four, you better, you better figure it out. If you can bang it around, how many drivers is that around? Oh, man, banging around for me, like on that tour, probably like five or six, you know. That's banging it around. Five or six. And that's like pushing it. Like, that's a stretch because even at Whisper Rock, like, yeah.

Like, look at, like, if I play the upper golf course, like, I'm going to hit it on five. And I got to take a goofy angle over the bunkers and dry. And then it gets a narrower. And then I'll hit it on nine. I got to cut it 60 yards. I'm not feeling sorry for you. Yeah, I know. There's no pity around here.

Yeah. It's just like. cry me a fucking river. When you got to send it over the shit on every T-ball, it's a little weary. Hey, it's better to send it over it than have to send it around it. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, that's right. But let me ask you this, because I talked to Art Sellinger last night, and we were talking

about, like, what you needed to improve to be successful in pro golf. And he rattled off a couple stats from some tournaments for me. Oh, good. Okay. New South Wales open. Oh. You missed the cut, but you made 14 birdies and two Eagles. Okay, so we got a lot of offense.

Okay. There was a Canadian event. He couldn't remember the name, but you made 24th. birdies, two eagles. So we're 28 under. That's solid. That's good. The second over the weekend? Yeah, you did. You end up shooting 10 under for the week and you lost by five. So you played the other holes at 18 over.

Yeah. So obviously there's a lot of offense there. Yeah, we go on offense. Yeah. You know, I think that's, yeah, I mean, making birdies has never been a problem. I think it's just limiting the damage. And one thing I wanted to get better at was obviously inside 150 yards because I'm faced with that a lot. Oh, yeah.

I mean, but yeah, it's just. just missing on the right side of the hole, having command with the wedges and stuff like that. What's 150? Is that a gap wedge? Yeah, it's probably, it's either a hard gap wedge or a little fillet pitcher wedge. Yeah, I get that. Same shit.

But I mean, 14 birdies and two eagles, and that's in two days. I mean, that's only a good week for most guys. That was chucking pretty good. I had one, that was New South Wales open,

and I had one catastrophe on a par four. I mean, it wasn't a driver, and my catty's Malaysian, and he's like, go to the hole. and I'm like, that's good advice, dude. Go to the hole like you want me to hit it on the green?

He goes, yeah, go to the hole 400. I'm like, no problem. Poof, snap hook in the shit. I'm like, now what? He goes, go to the hole. Snap hook and the shit. I'm like, God, make nine, make a great par for nine. Or made a like a 30 footer for nine.

And then I played good from there, but that one left the mark. I mean, five, that was the difference between. Other than that hole, which was the one disaster. When you're making the big numbers, like, is it off the, T because you're not hitting that many drivers is off the T is or something else? Yeah, I mean, I think it's just trying to be over aggressive, you know, and people are standing around. They're like, come on.

Hit it. Yeah. I've learned to not. Dance, monkey. Yeah. Because I'm like, man, you're not the one that's got to sign this car at the end of the day. But yeah, I mean, maybe the first year there was a little bit of that. But I think it's just the experience of knowing how to golf your ball, you know, you've got to put

the ball. Like, not every pin is a green light special. I had very few, you know, in my experience. conversation on a podcast this morning. Like if you, if you sat down with the stateticians that all these PJ tour guys have now, you would be shocked at how many pins or not.

Like they broke down when I was playing in 2016. They're like, you birdie one out of every three greens you hit. And so basically, yeah, so basically they told me they're like, listen, anything more than eight iron, which is pretty much every hole, do not look at the pin.

Just give yourself a put. Just yeah. And I'm like, you're telling me if I have 180, which is a perfect six iron, I can't go with that pin? They're like, no. And I'm like, oh, this isn't that fun. Well, yeah.

But at the end of the day, when you sign your card and you played poorly and you're two to four under because you got the par fives, it's all good. But yeah, like I've been listening to that decade golf a bit and how he breaks down stats and everything. And I guess I didn't ever think of it that way. I kind of thought I did. But when I look at statistics and what it like literally, if I just take care of the par fives over four days, you should be. Yeah, you got no problem. You should be good, you know. But is it hard for you being there like you have this superpower that nobody else in the world?

world can have but if you elect to be like I'm gonna play safe and hit three on now you're playing every other two pro from the exact same spot there but your advantage is gone so it's like Superman doesn't take the bus you know if you can fly you fly is it hard to pull it back I think it's more prevalent now like when you see what Bryson is doing because I know like when I first started working with someone like it was it was kind of more so let's be safe let's not hit it so far let's get the ball and play which is great and there's golf courses that I believe you do have to play that way. But I don't want to play where you play. I've told people for years. I said if you play from where I do, I'm going to beat you. There's no question. But you have to understand that and you have

to think like that's okay. And there's going to be holes where, yeah, you got to play that way. But if there's a par five that you can let it go, you better hit a good shot because that is your advantage. So the focus of picking a good target, picking a good line, you got to send it over the shit and draw it back or cut it off something. You got to step up and hit that shot. It's a difference I mean, it's risky, but that's where your advantage is. But that's what you do better than anyone. So are you hitting more dogs than you did when you first started? Because playing at Whistbrook,

and Wisbrook's not the best example because there's not a lot of holes that even have enough room for you. But you played, you and I would hit your iron right to where I'd hit my driver and then we'd be playing straight the same game from then, yeah. You know, maybe I'm hitting a little less in, but I'm still playing your game. I'm not playing my game.

And one thing that I've spent a lot of time on this year is me and Bob Tway, who I'm working with a little bit, we'll go out there. And I'll hit driver on every hole but the parfx. threes and he's like you need to feel uncomfortable here before you can feel comfortable up there and pull that shot off and know that when you step on that T you're not looking there and looking there going like I can't hit it there or I can't hit it there it's like you see that target and you hit it at that target and you send it yeah you have to play that way yeah because there's going to be uncomfortable

drives there's no question I mean you know you get a you get a bang and left to right win that's an uncomfortable win but you got to be able to hit a draw and hold it up against that win you know i got into a kind of a you know i wanted to hit driver but i didn't want to hit it so i'd hit down on it and and yeah i still hit it by everybody it's not a good golf shot yeah so they're it calls for that but i mean there are times there are times for that but like out there right now like if you're it's a normal drive you're not trying to send it's just like hey there's enough room for me here what you were swinging at 150 when you're winning more long drives what are you if you're playing a golf tournament playing golf right now like

I'll swing between 135, 138. And that's just, that's comfortable. Yeah, that's cruising. That's cruising. That's cruising altitude. You know, it's like yesterday we played in hump day. Nice, nice, nice dog there yesterday. I heard about one of the, yeah, sorry about that win.

Yeah. Anyways. Squeeze that in there. We like on five, I don't like that T shot at all, but I hit a good T shot and I flip a sandwich in there and made three. That's the difference. Yeah. You know?

Well, yeah, the, I mean, if you pull it off, the reward's huge. It's unbelievable. Yeah. you don't it's a problem but i guess you put the work in to know you can hit that shot and not be scared of it and getting more comfortable with that i mean it's a huge advantage and the golf course is like cue school at wigwam i love that place because i can let it go and i know where to miss it and you know there's room it's not your typical desert course but when you get to a you know a tighter golf course i can't play where everyone else plays and i got to accept that yeah and and just for the people at home

that are listening to like understand a little bit like you being a degree off versus me being a degree off, I mean, it could be 60 yards offline. I mean, okay, so you catch one off the toe. You're in the left side of the fairway. I catch one off the toe. I'm in Sammy's backyard at a barbecue. That's what I'm saying. We can be the same amount of off, but it's just at the speed you're going. I mean, you swing it 30 miles an hour faster than me, minimum. I mean, there's no room for air. Yeah, your one degree is my 10 or 12 degrees. Exactly. So there's a, but it's why you put the work in. that's why you get... If I was 10 degrees off at 103 miles an hour, I'd be on a podcast.

Yeah. But yeah, I mean, there's a lot less room for error, but shit, man, that's... But that's the game. I mean, yeah. That's the game I live. That's a benefit, yeah. Yeah. I mean, the way I make money is I hit every single fair way.

Exactly. But one, you mentioned... Go ahead. I was going to say, you mentioned Bob Tway earlier, a guy that's been helping you. Yeah. I'm not sure if this other guy helps you or hurts you, but you've created quite the relationship with Gary McCord. Probably a hindrance, yeah.

Yeah, I was going to say, has he helped you or has he hurts your game more? Yeah. You know what? He's helped me a lot. Like you've played, short game at 72 years old is pretty still. He's only 72. Yeah, he's aged poorly, I would say.

He's like a dog. He ages like a dog. He's about 149, yeah. But yeah, he's helped me a lot. And, you know, he's come, like I played some jikis around here. He's caddy for you a bunch of times. He's catty for me. U.S. Open sectional event.

And I think one thing that I learned from him is he'll push me. you know he'll give me confidence to be like we're playing a jickey at wigwong yeah I know the story yeah and I'm on the 15th hole I got like a two-shot lead three-day tournament we're riding in cards for Christ's sake like it's a jick it's a it's a full-blown chick yeah I get it you don't mean iron your cards are the real deal but but I'm on the 15th hole and I pull out a like this hole is the little bit dog leg like I can knock it up near the green got a two-shot lead I pull out a five iron And he looks at me And he goes

What the fuck are you doing? And you got like what? You have a three I got a two or three shot lead Yeah so it's like Get it in the house And this thing's on ice And he literally goes

Son get over here And he like puts his hand on my shoulder And leans over he goes And what are you gonna do that? He goes you see that guy right there He can't hit it on that green You know what he's got in his hands Six iron

You know what he's trying to do Not lose He goes what are you doing Hands me the driver Knocking in the green side bunker Which is the absolute worst place you can hit it yeah that hole is a pretty extreme doglay it's like a three iron and like a wedge or nine or something like and i hit in the front bunker yeah i know yeah and it's not

the best spot eight deep and these bunkers are terrible yeah anyways i make a great par and he walked we walk off he goes you just showed him you're i won't say the word yeah he goes that guy knows he can't win today yeah i'm like ah all right you made bogey you get a six iron ripped it off the front of the green made boge he got like three or four shot yeah you made par he acts like you're like you you made that decision he told me about that 72 times like he made part it wasn't like he that's him validating a poor club choice but it was the fact that he took me out of my comfort zone is like man knock it on the green like who cares but he's like the biggest advocate of you using what you got more than he's like dude let it hang 100% and then like 18 at wigwam

same thing i'm like what do you think he goes what do i think do you want to win or lose he goes there's three fairways over yeah there's a hundred miles right he goes you just can't hit it left I'm like, okay, can't hit the left. Step on the team. I'm like, can't hit the left. Boom. Flip it in there, make birdie, goes, see? Great caddy.

That's a good, give me my temper. That's not the best example of caddying, but it's a good example of, you know, like he told me a great story. He goes, if I had your skill set when I play the tour, he goes, I'd walk around my fly undone. These guys couldn't touch me. I'm like, it is true, though, dude. People are like, die five, five yards of distance. People are killing themselves for that. Switching it.

They might hit five less fairways around. They don't care. Everyone wants to do what you do and you got it. He's like, you chip it good. You wedge it fine. He's like you spin it more than anybody on the planet. If you're short-sided, what's the problem? There's no issues.

Let's go. Well, Gary, there are some issues. There are some issues. There's some issues with Gary. Once your agent lobby to get you in one of these big tour, like the tour events where you could let it go and see what you can do. I mean, you've got to be looking your chops on that. Got to be someone here that listens to the podcast.

Anybody out there that maybe the CEO of Farmers or something like that could slide you in there. Maybe in Dallas. Yeah. Perhaps. Oh, there's a course right down the road where there might be some pull, perhaps. Do you have like an ultimate goal in professional golf? Like what is it, is it to get to the PJ tour?

Is it to win on the PGA tour? Yeah. I mean, I would I would just love to get to the Corn Ferry Tour because I think I could use my skills out there. Canadian Tour, it's handcuffed. It's hard to get out there. I've played well at first stage of Q School. It's a great golf course. I go to Bear Creek and it's a total nightmare.

That's a bad, like, I think you and I have talked about this in the past. Is Craig Ranch still a second stage site? I think it is. You gotta go. Dude, you would fly the stuff there. If you can fly at 300 yards there, it's a driving range. So second stage, I've made some bad mistakes with golf course choice. Part of the process.

It happens. I'm just a slow learner. But, yeah, I think, you know, I would love to just have a corned ferry tour card. Let me get out there and see what I can do. You know, obviously the end goal is obviously playing the PJ tour. Wouldn't be wasting time. or money on the jickeys and can't hashtag we all got to do it right but yeah exactly we all got to do it yeah but you i mean you've made quite the name of yourself at an unbelievable career already with i mean

world long drive you've had tons of sponsors and all this there was one thing he did that was really cool and we got to talk about it is grandpa james yeah i mean let's get into it i mean first off i got to know if people haven't seen it at home you got to google jamie sidlowski grandpa jami basically you went full makeup dressed up as Gary McCord's twin brother and went out and showed up. Hemorrhoids and all. Yeah. But take this through the process.

Like I heard you were in the makeup chair for like a ridiculous amount of time. Yeah. So my agent who you know very well doesn't always inform me of all the information. He'll give me location, hotel, rental car, but not really what we're doing. So that's a good agent. Yeah. A few days before this is all transpiring, he goes. they kind of want to do like one of those

Kyrie Irving videos. You dress you up like an old man. I'm like, yeah, no problem. I'll put him all the sweater on. He goes, no, like, really do it right. I'm like, oh, under one condition. And he's like, what's that? I'm like, I need a handle of Titos.

And I'm going to drink the whole thing in order for me to do this. Pretty reserved guy, you know? Pretty quiet. So I sit down on the chair, pour myself vodka orange juice. And I'm not liking. Guy gives me the script. I'm like, oh, no.

So I sat there for like six and a half hours. When I walked out of there, I was. That's just makeup check. That's how long it takes to get you, Mrs. Dow fired up. It was three o'clock in the morning, and we had a few drinks a night before. So, like, two hours of sleep. And I sat in that chair for six and a half hours. And when I left there, I was glowing.

I felt great. And we stepped up, and it was in California somewhere. And you got to be, like, I have the producer in my ear. He's like, tell that guy is. breast smells like shit. I'm like, I can't do that. I'm like, your breast smells like shit. But yeah, so I got pretty grease for that. And it first one was pretty good. Yeah. And so was it all, was it all scripted or did you kind of? No, this is, no one knows anything. And that's why, like people nowadays, you got to be real careful what you say, what you do. So I was like floating a fine line

between being funny, not offending someone and trying to make it a good watch. But I remember, this guy comes up to me, he goes, you should try that senior long drive stuff. He has no idea. He has no idea that this is a prank and that I'm James Siloski. And I was like, really? You think I could do it?

He goes, yeah, I think you could. You got, like, you hit it pretty far. And I was like, oh, yeah, you don't need to be big to do this. He goes, yeah, that Saldowski kid, he was pretty good for a long time. I'm like, oh, yeah, you know him? He goes, I don't know him, but I watch him for a lot of years. I'm like, yeah, he was really good. And he looks at me straight in the eyes and goes,

yeah he was good but he's way too small to win now and i'm like you really and so the whole day rolls on and like this one lady wanted to take me home that's not a bad gig she's like can you teach me so i gave her a few pointers she goes let's go inside for a drink i'm like i can't like i'm busy and she's like come inside like let's go have some drinks awesome and i'm like i had to tell her like i had full makeup i'm like this is a mass this isn't real like i can't go home with you. This is not okay. But anyways, the guy that said that after, we're done to shoot for the day.

I went up to him. I'm like, hey, you know who I am? He goes, no. I'm like, Jamie Szilowski, he goes, no fucking way. That's awesome. He goes, I'm so sorry what I said. I didn't mean any of that. I'm like, geez, man.

That's beautiful. How long were you out there that day? It was a full 12 hour a day. Yeah. And it's over and over time. Yeah. And the gig was you basically, someone strolls up and they're hitting balls and you kind of limp up to the tea and then have,

hit just rockets. Just kind of slow play it and then drill it into houses over the fence. I forget the name of the course, but yeah, there was some damage done that. That is awesome. I mean, I'm sure the process was ridiculously long, but that was really, really cool. It's cool because, I mean, kids in YouTube nowadays, like when I'm home, small town, everyone calls me Grandpa Jamie. Your Grandpa Jamie. That's cool. I've done a few things. I wish you guys would recognize me for that and dude perfect, but that's all right. As long as I know your name for something. Yeah, they do know.

No such thing is bad pub. No. It's all a good pub. Time for the E9? Yeah, you want a little E9? Let's do it, a little quick cruise. Fun little nine questions. Learn even more about you.

Good. Get some real good time. You want to start? You'll fire it. All right. I think you know the first movie being made about the life of Jamie Sedlowski. Who's the actor playing you?

Kind of pains me to say this, but Jim Nance calls me Johnny Mansell because he thinks that look like him. Oh, really? You could be. It's your movie. Yeah. He was in here today.

Was he? Yeah. Yeah. Taking pictures of our cartoons. Oh, God. I don't know if I want to play my life, but I go with Johnny Manzuck. I think he'd keep it on the up and he up. I had Jude Law for you.

Oh, Jude Law, yeah. I had Joaquin Phoenix. But the weird one, when he went into that little role that he played for a couple years and spooked everyone, yeah, I think he's got a little juice to him. All right, number two, this is for all the golf fans at home. What is one piece of advice you'd give the listeners at home to try and hit it further? Run faster. There it is.

Perfect. Write that down. Yeah. I mean, that's the most frustrating question because I watch guys and they swing it 84 miles an hour on the range. And I'm like,

how are you possible? Like, do you try to swing it 84 miles? Well, no, I just swing it 84 miles. I'm like, try. Like, you have, like, everyone's got a couple miles on. I don't care if you hit the center of face, but like effort. We need effort.

Swing it faster. Come on. Yeah, swing it. Playing with regular dudes like on the, in Canada. Are it just embarrassing to you, like, to walk up to a dude who's like maybe taller than you just see him hit it and you're like, Jesus Christ.

Like be a man. You can hear it land. Yeah. And you're just like, there's nothing wrong with that. I could kick it for a lot. Another McCord story. Boy in the jickeys.

Yes. Like, I am sending it. And this poor kid is like 160 yards behind me. And McCord, we're walking up. And he says to me, and not quietly,

he goes, how the fuck is this guy going to beat you? I'm like, I got a butt like shit, I guess. And he's like, exactly. So don't do that.

He's right there. Elgo to Elgo to L. No offense, bud. You're a great player. I mean, I'm like, man, you can't say stuff like that in front of guys. Like, he's trying. Like, leave him alone.

That's good. All right, next question. Did you have to pay for the simulator that you broke when you went into the golf channel studio? Didn't have to pay for it. Didn't get invited back for a few years. Got invited back doing a show with Breed, hit a seven iron through, have not been back. So you broke in two? Two.

You told him the first time. Didn't they, like, the dude was challenging you to a long driveway. Hey, we're going to see Jamie hit a monster. And then you went through. I was like, okay. no problem. Almost killed Chumley in the back. There's a like one of those big. Chumley. Yeah. This guy looked like Chumley, man. I thought you're, that's what you're calling Shambly.

No. There's this guy in the back. He brings the ball out. He was a, he was a sound guy. And I hit this shot and I can hear it rattling around in the back. And he comes out and he's like, I got the ball. And he goes, come here. And there's like a big metal fan. And there's like a three inch cave mark. He goes, my right arm was touching this thing. Jesus. Almost killed him. This is why they moved to Connecticut. You broke all their shit.

Yeah, you had to get a lower rent distance. That's awesome. Well, we mentioned your hockey background earlier. You're quite the hockey player. And I'm not sure if you know this, but the very own sleazy man has a hockey bet on the line. I've heard this bet. You know this. So we need to go over it.

Insult me with this. And I need your answer to all three of these bets. So it involves the great Ray Whitney, the wizard. Yeah. So never been on skates. Never shot a hockey puck. I was on skates at like age 10 or something. It doesn't matter.

And I was fast. It ain't like riding a bike. I was fast. So he's got to go all the way around the rink without touching the walls. Okay. Without falling. Okay. He has to skate.

He can't try to like, just walk. Done. So is that the end? No, that's one back. I'll do a triple axle around that fish. I honestly, I think you could do that. You're an athlete. Okay.

That's one. Number two. Three are going to be different. Number two, blue line. On skates. 50 pucks has to fly one into the. net. Don't insult me right now. No chance.

Because the first one you're going to shoot and you're going to lean back and fall on your head and then you're going to-comy said he's going to go forward. Or forward. There's a lot of shit on the table. Depends. You're going to lean the shaft. You're going to try to help it up in the air. You give me 50 anything.

I'll figure it out. This is the one that's the real divided. This is a good money line bet. I love the slap shot one because I agree with you. No chance. No, I just never hit a puck. That's actually true. Yeah.

You got to have balance, man, because you got stuff like hands are moving away. You can't. my speed on the course, though. You can't flick it up in the air. Like, you actually have to have a little soft-off. That's what I've asked. Could you wrist, like you could probably, but can a normal dude risk one in from the blue line? The best is weird with Kami.

And he goes, Kami, could you do it? And Kami goes, are you fucking kidding me? Like, how many? He's more of like a brute and forcer type in. He's like, you're kidding me? Of course I can flip it in there. I made $30 million. They're like, can you get out of the bunker in one try?

Yeah, man, you fuck. Sometimes you get lucky. Yeah, that one, no disrespect, but that, that, that, That's the one that's the middle ground. And the last one is the problem, I think. Ray is at the far end of the ice. He can just dig in a little bit. He's low.

Slees gets all the way at the other end. It can go as fast as he can and hit Ray. And Ray says, you will not move me an inch. Ray played 24 years. He's a thick little shit, too. He's a little mighty mouth. When you're talking like CGs, his is low, which, I mean, Comey, that's not a good example.

You don't know what, Tommy. You would never take it with Tommy. He wouldn't just. stand there still he'd throw a shoulder in you know I'd have no teeth at the end of it yeah but oh no you can't move the whiz so that one's honestly that was after 10 12 cocktails and he threw that bed I was like

fuck it yeah I'll do that like that was a dumb one are we gonna get this on film dude it has to happen soon we had the ice booked you don't even know this Monday of Phoenix open oh but at the ice den yeah we had the ice den but with our schedule and stuff we couldn't do it so it was that was my we had it booked and we weren't going to tell him because we didn't want him to go out and try to practice I've been doing a lot of practice

sneak out to the rink every place. I don't want him to practice. What you got to understand is like WIS made a living off battling in the corners being an undersized guy using his ass. That one is a legit problem. I'm going to be first thing. And I need pads and all the shit. I'm not going to like blow my.

They have everything for you. Oh, good. First, Akami's like, you better wear a helmet when you try to the slap shot thing. He goes, because he said he's going to go forward and his head's going to. I might put a football helmet on for the slap shot. Don't take a wrist shot. Slap shot. We got a slap shot.

Dude, this has to happen. and needs to happen soon. The build up for this has never been higher. It's going to be awesome. Never been higher. I'm surprised there's no like dress. You basically just have me.

I might knuckle pocket like mighty duck. So you basically just have me winning the skating deal. I got you for the skating. One and two. Everyone's got me for that. Middle split for the slap shot and nobody including me thinks I can move right.

Slap shot. No one, I haven't heard anybody say you can do it. Except for you. I thought we had one more guy say I could do it. Anyways, I'm going to call Clayton or somebody and get him to coach me.

I got to sneak in one sash before I get out there and make an ask myself on TV. All right, next question. Do you think you would have made it to final stage of Q school last time out if your idiot caddy didn't eat all of your snack bars? Oh, man. Yeah. Oh, this is a good one, dude. It's a good one.

Oh. So first round, I'm cruising around. I'm seven down through 13 at Bear Creek. Like, I'm humming nice. Oh, yeah. Hit a great T shot on the par five. Hit this, like, laser seven iron. It's all in.

Like, I think I'm going nine down through 14. I ended up, like, it gets in one of those sod walls. I make a par or whatever. Get to the 15th hole and I go to the bag. Because I'm like, it's time to eat. Starvin. Surgeoning her home. Nothing.

Pull out a wrapper. One sandwich bag. I'm like, I know I packed too. For sure. A little empty sandwich bag. And I looked at Ash and I'm like, you know the fucking sandwiches? He goes, man, I was hungry. And I'm like, not a bar.

Nothing in the bag. And so I go bogey, double, bogey, double. Blood sugar. And he goes, you know what, man? That could have been a lot worse. We're a couple under par. And tomorrow was another day. And I'm like, why is he?

Why explain this guy to people? But why is he got in for you, dude? That's second. That's real life. That's real life. He caddies for me because he's caddyed. Anytime I've played well, he's been on the bag. He does not get on my nerves.

He will not pull a club. if I say it's you like Chip Gap Wedge yeah love it you want the wedge I like it first like there's no indecisiveness at all where when I got art on the bag he's got the wedge and he's wiping the grip off and he's handed to me I'm like how far do we have he goes it's all good I I walked it off 155 I'm like don't touch my numbers don't touch my clubs so he knows his place art's great this is your guy Ashley Newsom yes he has a good nickname

he's the best yeah he's the best yeah He keeps it real white, man. Yeah, I was hungry, man. ate all your food at second stage of school and finished up like six over in the last four or something. Yeah, but we got it in under par, man. So I'm like, we're just 700 and now we're one. You're fired, yeah. All right.

Number six. All right. Might know the answer to this now after what you told us about Grandpa Jamie, but who has more game with the ladies? Grandpa Jamie or Gary McCord? Oh, Grandpa. Jamie. Oh, he almost got laid in his shoot, dude.

Of course it's him. That's why we know the answer now. Yeah, all day. Golly. Was she hot? No. How old? What age are we talking about?

65. Oh. And she had a husband. She still got some. Oh, she was going to take a husband. Openly admitted she had a husband. They might have some sort of deal you don't know about it. She must have seen them hips firing.

Yeah, that's what it was. The long ball. It's true what they say about the long ball. All right. Next question. This is a real golf question. Could you lead the. tour and driving distance hitting left-handed.

No. Close? In my prime, I mean, not with Bryson out there anymore. Matt Wolfe, DJ. What can you get to left-handed? I could probably get it to 120, but I kind of get a little bit of a cutter going. So 120 carrying it?

300, 300, 310? Lefty. Lefty. Now I can flip the lefty upside down and send some mail. No problem. I hate you. But, yeah, lefty's a hard ass. That's close, though.

Maybe on the jikis. Jickeys, I think I can do it. Jickey, yeah, of course. Being king of the jicks ain't the worst, but. No. It's not that easy. All right, number eight, you played golf with both of us quite a bit. If you could take one part of each of our games and put it into your game, what would it be? Oh, yeah.

That's a good. This is good. Yeah. This is good. I would take Sleez's confident. There was going to be nothing to do with the mine. That's all I wanted. If you didn't say that, I was going to be a very good.

Defended, like the moxie, I would call it, because you don't know what he shot ever. 80, 70, 60. It's all the same baby. It's all good. It was all clean. Obviously, short game, putting. You can chip it, though. You might chip it better.

Yeah, you chip. Nice, dude. I can take the putter. That's one thing I will say I don't think I get credit for. Everyone always asks me, what's your biggest attribute? And everyone's, oh, the driver. I honestly think it's chipping. Yeah, I don't know if it's the biggest, but you're chipping.

It helps. People that know you are, you're a really good chipper. But when you hit in shitty spots, you better be able to do it. I was going to say the hybrid, but then I was like, rarely does he have 330 in? He's not the hybrid. Yeah, your hybrid games nice. You have putting. Seven wood?

Is that what I heard? You got it? No, no, no, it's a four iron hybrid. It's a four iron hybrid. Its name is Gary. Gary. Yeah, and it works very well. That's what I heard.

I've never been able to want to. I got mad respect for that. I love it. Yeah, it's a real. All right, next question. Have you ever outdriven anyone by so much that they picked up their ball and walked up the golf course? Other McCord story. Yeah.

This is McCord. So, DC Ranch, U.S. Open Qualifier, he's on the bag. I don't know if he had a bad day, but he was being a prick that. Not just to me. Gary. Gary. Oh, perfect. That's just normal.

Not just to me. That's a normal day. Not just to me, but to everybody. So you guys have played DC? What's the whole? So you go all the way up. Like 13. And you play the par three and then you come back down.

I think it's the front. It's the front. It's like the fourth or fifth. No, no, no. The par three, it's on the back nine. The part three. No, no, no, par four. Part four that goes way up.

Isn't that like right after the par five? It's 13. Okay. Yeah, we started. I thought that was the front. Maybe I teed off on 10. They flipped them. So, and then the par three and then the one down the hill.

Yep. Yeah. Okay, so we're going down the hill. I kind of hit it left. I have to chip out. So I chip it out. And he and I are standing by my bag. and I'm playing with this guy

who's not going real well. A couple dubs early, not feeling it. And we're talking, we're talking. This guy hits this shot. And all we hear is click. And McCord goes, well, I don't need to even fucking see where that went. He goes, that's off the hazel.

And he looks and buddy's looking at him. And I'm like, Gary. Relax, Gary. I'm like, this guy just hit a hosel monkey and he's literally, he's in the fairway like this, dropping another ball. Oh my God. Okay.

So we get to the 16th hole, and this guy supposedly says, supposedly, it's a court story. Yeah. Says, I've been waiting, because I didn't hit many drivers. He goes, I've been waiting all day for this. And he goes, okay, here we go. You're about to see it. He's like, good tempo. He thinks he can bring it.

Yeah. Yeah. And he hits it pretty far, Gary said. Yeah, he hits it good. Like, he's a, he's a 70 guy, which is moving it pretty good. And Gary kind of, like, all day, he's like, just work on tempo, nothing crazy. We're not. And he's like, okay, I want you to fucking get on this one.

And I'm like, okay, Greenlight Special. Here we go. And I send this thing past the bunkers. And this guy hits his T shot. And we're walking up. And he stops at his ball. Put his bag down. And he keeps walking.

And I'm like walking up to my ball. He's like in my pocket. I'm like, he thinks that that's his. I'm like, oh, man. That ain't your ball. And he walks it off. And it's like 90 or 89 or 90 yards. I heard he said it was 92.

92 yards. And he goes, that's as good as I can hit it. And he's talking to McCourt, because McCord's been in his ear all day. And I think that was the last holy play. He didn't finish. So he walked back, picked his ball up, and went to the house. I love the McCord's chirpy, the other players. Yeah, dude, McCourt thinks that's him hitting the shots.

He's ruthless, man. He is ruthless out there. I told you, you can't hang with us. We hit it long. He's like, you made that guy quit. And that's got to be a good, like, from a couple of guys that aren't, you know, known for our link. I feel. That would be nice to just, I hit it so far.

front of this guy that he just quit the But I felt bad because it was McCord. Like if McCord's not there, that guy's still playing golf to this day. I don't know what he's doing now. I haven't seen him since that day, but I'm sure he'd still be playing golf. That's fun.

Get a guy to walk off the course. That is hilarious. Well, Jamie, this has been a blast, man. Thank you so much for joining us. Pleasure, boys. Thank you for having me. You're the best, dude. Appreciate it.

Pleasure. Well, that was Jamie Sidlowski. Sleez, what a guy. I mean, what a, just a freak natural talent. It's, like I said before, it is unbelievable. You can't believe it until you see it watching Jamie Siddleski at the bomb. We can sit here and tell stories about clubs we've seen him hit from certain distances and things.

But you just can't appreciate it until you see it up close and personal. And how about like just the way he got into long drive? He just showed up to watch a buddy and they're like, oh, there's a junior division you want to get in it. Yeah, sure. 375 at age 14. Is that good? Is that good? People on tour would like cut off their left toe, only their left toe, just the toe to hit to have like to gain five miles an hour of speed or things like that.

And here he is. It's swinging the golf club 150 at 165 pounds. I mean, it's unreal. But like he said, it's so different knowing that he had six little friends down there on the ground when he was doing long drive and knowing, okay, only one of you got to, only one of you got to behave today. Whereas now he's trying to play professional golf. He knows that every single shot count. But it's going to be a tough transition for him. I mean, he's trying to play against guys that have done this their whole life.

And for his whole life, he's just been grip it and rip it. Let's see how far we can go. But I will say this. He doesn't get near enough credit for how good he is around the Greens. He chips and puts it really, really well, which you wouldn't expect from like a long drive guy. You would think that was the area where they would struggle. And I would say this, too, in terms of like how he's changed since he quit long drive and started playing golf. Like when you and I would play with him a lot, back of the Rock, like I'll go back four years or so.

And the Rock's a bad place because there's not a lot of place where he can even hit driver. But he would hit his little three iron or driving or whatever it was. And it would be more or less around where my drive would be. And then from there we'd play the same game. Talking with him and some other guys that are around him, he's starting to let it go a little bit. bit more in tournament golf, which I think he absolutely should because he's got one superpower in the world. If you don't use it, why are you trying to play the same way everybody else is playing? I think that's a tough way to do it. So I think he is starting to let it loose a little bit more

in tournament golf. But the problem for him is you can only do that on certain venues. And there aren't a lot that can really hold him. Like Canada is a really hard place for him to play. Yeah, but it's going to be cool to see what he can do. But I got to ask you this, because I know you're extremely close with him, a lot closer than I am. Is Gary McCord, a positive or a negative effect in his golf and career. You need McCord and spurs. You know what I mean? It's like you need a little bit of Gary

and then you get away from Gary. If you got him in your ear the entire time, I'm glad he told that story about the wigwam, the jickey he was playing because he had like a two two or three shot lead with a few holes left. He could easily just kick it in and make a few pars this thing's done. And this hole that he was talking about with a huge dog leg,

McCord just hands on the driver is like, send it. I mean, he could have hit it out of bounds or somewhere weird and made an X, but McCord was like, you need to start doing this. This is what you need to do. And I'll say this, the first time McCord caddy for him. He won that golf term against some, you know, college of All-Americans and things like that. So it worked.

But, yeah, McCord and baby sports. Yeah, I wouldn't be life coached by Gary McCord. That shit could turn out. I'll tell you what we do need more of is that's Grandpa Jamie. Grandpa Jamie is incredible. The fact that he said an elderly woman tried to take him home from the golf course. I mean, that's all time. Oh, it's so good.

I remember when they did that thing, it was coming off the heels of like, what was Uncle Drew with Kyrie Irving and the basketball stuff? And the way he did this, I mean, he said he tried to mimic Gary McCord and how he walks and complains about his back. and all this shit. He probably went and got a case of himroids before he got there. But he was really believable with that stuff and just seeing the faces of the people that were watching like, holy shit. Like what is that? And the one guy saying like, you're not as good as that Slalowski guy, but you know, you can try for it. Yeah. But man, that was a blast. Really, really enjoyed sitting down with him. But so now it's time to get to everyone's favorite part of the show, the gambling. Not our best week. You know, in our one and done pool, I had Bryson DeShambo,

you had Turrell Hatton. I believe they've both finished tied for 20 second, made around 100,000. Producer Mark, can you give us a little update on the standings? Yeah, dead on there. Colt, T22, $100,8333 a piece. Cole, you're up to just shy of a million, or yeah, just shy of a million dollars at 99,37. Round up. With a lead of $190,190,000. Yeah. So this thing's close. This can change at any moment. One putt could be the difference in this thing. But I believe I keep the honor. Correct. Since we did tie. And we were at the Arnold Palmer

Invitational at Bay Hill this week. Another great field. Tough golf course. Tell us a little about the course. Who's it suit? Well, I think it's a ball strikers golf course. The fairways are somewhat generous. It all depends on the weather.

If we don't get any rain, as we saw last year, I mean, this place is concrete, single digit underpar is going to win. And Terl Hatton put on a ball striking clinic last year, went away with it. If you look at this tournament, the last five winners, all non-American. So a little trend going there. The question is, do you keep riding that?

Or does it end? You don't know. But I'm going with a guy who hits the ball as good as anybody. Finished top six and six of his last seven tournaments, including a tied for second last week at the WGC. I mean, nobody hits it better than this guy. I think he's due for another win, Victor Hovlin. Yeah, this one pains me.

That was my guy going in this week. I love that pick. I think this is a second shot golf course. Maybe like a little bit of similarities between this week and concession. Like second shot golf course, fairly generous fairways. If you miss the grades, it's not near as severe as concession. concession. It just depends on if they can get this place firm, that's when it plays stuff. Yeah, it seems like it's a second shot golf course. So I was between two guys. It was

Hadeki Matsuyama, who I was leaning on for a while. Then I actually went back and I had to do a little peek-a-boob because I was actually wanting to pick Colin Moracowah this week. And then I found out he's not in the field, so I had to audible and go somewhere else. I still like him. Once you say it on here, it's in and submitted. Sorry. I still don't hate him this week after last week. But I'm going to go with Matthew Fitzpatrick. If you look at his last two years here, ninth and a second in his last two years. So it obviously plays well here. And coming off on last week at concession. These hard golf courses, he seems to, you don't think of him as like a ball striker,

but he just grinds it out and gets it around. He's incredible around the green. So if he does have a day out there, which I think everyone will where you're not hitting it great, he can still get up and down for par. He was my number two pick there. That's who I was going back and forth. But he has a great track record there. He does play great on hard golf courses.

I just don't know if he can, if it gets really, really firm, since he's not the longest and not the highest ball hitter, I don't know if he can win. He can finish top 10, a lot like we saw at Rivier. Like, once it got firm, it kind of tended to get away. from him a little bit. But I mean, there's no doubt his track record there's awesome. He was my second guy. I also got Mark Leachman on there at 40 to 1 who's got an unbelievable record. Firm and fast. He's really good. And I'll tell you a little dark course that I like going off around 50 to 1 Jason Cochrak. Okay. Yeah. Shadow Creek, very, very firm. Kind of a similar style

golf course, not as crazy of greens. Cochrak hits it really far, really high. I think he could do well there. Yeah, that's why I really liked Hedecki too. That was who it came down to. Nobody, I mean, when he's hitting his irons well, you're hard pressed to find somebody who's better than that and he can hit it to the moon i don't necessarily love him if the wind blows around there so that's something to look out for but haddecky fits this golf course as well he's just kind of you don't know what had decky you're getting right now i finished last week with at concession he had a couple miscuts before that he just hasn't started firing on all cylinder so i feel like the putter's an issue for the putter's a little it's always been an issue and it will remain so but

if he can hit it like he has in the past he could still win anywhere but i'm gonna save him for a week when he's got a little better form leading up but it's gonna be awesome i know we both are rooting for it to get crazy firm love to see these guys have to think their way around and struggle a little bit. It's going to be a lot of fun. Enjoy the Arnold Palmer Invitational. But Slay's our next guest. Oh, boy. Buckle your seatbelt. Sleys, I got the opportunity to meet this guy a few years ago and I immediately fell in love with him. I mean, obviously, I know

all about his history. He's a legend. But to get to spend time with him in person, arguably the greatest storyteller I've ever been around. And that's saying a lot. The legend, George Brett, will be in the building. I think up to this point, the consensus is Commodore has been probably the funniest episode we've done in terms of storytelling. this one, I guarantee you will rival it. It would be, I mean, we could just turn the mics on and let him go.

I don't think we have to talk for the rest of time, which would be great because he unloads with sorts. I feel like, you remember when the barn rat walked in here? And I was like, Googly, I was like, I love the rat. This is my freaking boy. I feel like this is your barn rat right here. George Brett, man, dude, an all-timer. And, yeah, you get the same way around him that I was around the barn rat. I mean, I can bet you anything you want.

The safest bet I can possibly make is he hates technology, right? You send him a text message within five minutes he'll call you. He does not text back. He always has to call, wants to see how everything's going. Awesome. And also, just got back from Augusta National. So got some great stories from there, played a couple days there. It's going to be a blast.

You're not going to want to miss it. Make sure you tune in for next week's golf subpar with George Brett. Everyone, have a great week.