Subpar - Jerry Kelly talks becoming the oldest player to make the cut at The Players and Tiger Woods potentially joining the Champions Tour

Episode Date: April 11, 2023

On this week's episode of GOLF's Subpar, 3-time PGA Tour winner Jerry Kelly joins former PGA Tour pro Colt Knost and jicky jack legend Drew Stoltz for an exclusive, in-studio, interview. He talks becoming the oldest player to make the cut The Players, getting hurt by Aaron Rodgers at Pebble Beach and if Tiger Woods will ever surface on the Champions Tour. -- Thanks to our sponsor Rhoback. Use the code “SUB” on Rhoback.com for a generous 20% off your first order. That’s 20% off all polos, hoodies, and Q-Zips with code “SUB”. Make sure to check out their print polos -- Tee it up on FanDuel this PGA TOUR season! Right now NEW customers can get ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY DOLLARS in BONUS BETS – GUARANTEED when you place a FIVE DOLLAR BET. Go to FanDuel.com/SUBPAR and sign up. That’s FanDuel.com/SUBPAR to get a ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY DOLLAR IN BONUS BETS – WIN OR LOSE! FanDuel, ​​Official Betting Operator of the PGA TOUR. Disclaimer: 21+ in select states. First online real money wager only. $10 Deposit req. Refund issued as non-withdrawable bonus bets that expire in 14 days. Restrictions apply. See full terms at fanduel.com/sportsbook. Gambling Problem? Call 1-800-GAMBLER or visit FanDuel.com/RG (CO, IA, MI, NJ, OH, PA, IL, TN, VA), 1-800-NEXT-STEP or text NEXTSTEP to 53342 (AZ), 1-888-789-7777 or visit ccpg.org/chat (CT), 1-800-9-WITH-IT (IN), 1-800-522-4700 or visit ksgamblinghelp.com (KS), 1-877-770-STOP (LA), visit www.mdgamblinghelp.org (MD), 1-877-8-HOPENY or text HOPENY (467369) (NY), 1-800-522-4700 (WY), or visit www.1800gambler.net (WV).

Hello, world. Welcome back to golf subpar. Colt knows Drew Stoltz. Slees, what a week for our man, John Rom, Big Spain, winning the 87th Masters, his second major championship, dominating fashion on Sunday. How much fun was that? Oh, my God. I feel like we're celebrating like we won the damn thing. But yeah, like we say, an angry Spaniard is a dangerous Spaniard. And man, he came out there. I'm going to be honest. little worried after the four whack on the first hole to start off the thing. I was like, well, damn it. I'm going ahead and curse another one. We talked about him on here. But damn, he persevered that entire week. I mean, to come back from that, the four putt, then to get the bad into the draw, which was so much tougher than the other side, and come through there, play the long weekend like he did and some terrible weather. And dude, he just really never gave, like, Brooks made some bogies and John was able to make up some ground by making pars, but he would

just never put himself in position to really make very many bogies, to make any big. numbers to let Brooks come back into it without him making birdies. And Brooks went, what, 22 holes, I think, stretched without making birdies when he did start making them is a little bit too late in the game. And I mean, that final round, that'd be about exactly how you would draw it up for a final round at a major. The only boge he had on was nine after he pumped drive down there. And I think that approach shot was about a yard or two from being a close look for birdie. So you can't say enough good things about John Rahm and what he just did, man. This could be a monstrous year for the Spaniard in the major championship circuit.

Yeah, it's already been a monstrous year. Fourth win continues to get better and better, which is scary. Back to number one player in the world. Two majors now, you know, and the way he did it, like you mentioned, the four putt right out of the game, it's almost like a wake-up call. It's like, oh, God, let's let's start over. I think, you know, a younger John Rahm might not have bounced back the way he did. But there he goes out.

He plays the next 17 holes in nine under par to shoot 65 that first day. Just looked in full control all week. Brooks Kepka, you got to give it to him. I mean, he played awesome. You know, a lot of talk about the live guys coming in. Were they going to perform? Well, he did. It looked like the Brooks Kepka of old for three rounds.

Obviously struggled quite a bit on Sunday. Phil Mickelson, shout out, 52 years old. Sunday, Sunday, 65. Bertie the 72nd Hall. I was like, oh, my God, could this guy somehow maybe sneak into a playoff? But at the end of the day, John Rom was just too much. I mean, other than the T shot on 18, it was pretty damn impressive. But I'm so happy for John.

Got my master's green on for him right now. Mm-hmm. Represent, but love that. Hopefully get him in studio soon with the jacket. He's already brought the U.S. Open trophy in, so might as well bring the jacket. And let's talk about it. No, we're going to slide that thing on. I can guarantee you that.

And how about this for John Rom? Also, a record I'm pretty sure may never be broken in the history of golf, if you'd say, name the major championship that four putted the opening hole and also hit a provisional on the 72nd and still won by four or more. That might not ever be done. I was talking to Justin Thomas, you know, as John Rompe was wrapping up that victory. And he's like, dude, this is just unreal to start off the way he did and the bad wave. Like, it was two and a half shots. I mean, you spot the field two shots right out of the gate with a four putt and then two and a half because of the wave.

just so impressive. He's so good. I mean, we play with him at home. And every single time, you're just like, my God, how do you not win every time you tee it up? It's so impressive. And I don't think it's going to slow down anytime soon. I don't see it stopping. How about, I mean, J.T knows better than anyone. He was right there in the mix, a good bit. And then he had to play that second nine out in the trash weather. What, he shoot 42? 42. Coming in, I mean, just dirt nap. By the way, shout out JT. He did allow Tiger to match Freddie's consecutive cut streak at the Masters. So tip of the cap to him.

But man, it was so nasty out there. You could easily just say, I got the shit into the wave. This isn't going to work out, but he didn't do it. And to come through and end up winning by four after all that. Hell of a run. Also, Colt, what do you think about, like, there was so much talk going into this from most of like the mainstream golf media. Let's go out about the live guys and the tour guys and the champions dinner and all that.

I thought everything went about as well as it could have gone. I didn't see anybody causing any commotion. Champions dinner, nothing came out of that from everything we heard. Phil Mickelson, pretty reserved during that deal, kept to himself, didn't talk a whole lot. And there was a time on Sunday where I was like, damn, if you would have told me Phil Mickelson would be the biggest threat to the final round leader coming home. I wouldn't have believed you. Yeah, but it was just awesome to be there. The week is so special.

Augusta National. I just got up to Hilton Head ready for another big week here, the RBC Heritage designated event, loaded field. yield going to be great, but man, Masters week, just unbelievable. It's so cool to watch and see how much it means to these guys when they win a tournament of this magnitude. I mean, this is a life changer.

John Rom, you know, money is not about the money. Just going down in history, being the fourth Spaniard to win at Augustine National, doing it on Sevi's birthday. It's crazy how it all worked out. Having Jose Muriel thobble there, you know, to greet him on 18. I loved it, man. It is, it was great. And listen, I'm a PGA tour guy.

But I did think it was cool to see the storylines up there with one of our best in the world. You know, going up against Brooks Kevka, Phil Mickelson was there. Patrick Reed also played well. Jordan Speath made a late run. And we had everything we wanted other than the weather conditions which just sucked on Saturday and forced Tiger was to withdraw. Yeah, I think it actually, this is like the first one. I feel like since the boiling point of the Live versus PJ tour stuff, I feel like it's kind of simmered now. But like I feel like it almost adds a little bit of allure to the majors.

because you have the live versus PJ tour dynamic. It's like, yeah, these are just the best golfers in the world. It's like Harold Varner said, like, we're not space jam. They didn't suck all our talent of us. There's still some guys over there that can play really, really good golf. And it kind of almost adds a little underlying storyline to these tournaments where you do have a guy like Brooks. I mean, he was in full control of that thing. Didn't know how John Rahman would handle going back out there and playing in the terrible weather.

But I thought all the players handled it well. I don't think anyone said anything or, you know, made any comments. Jim Nance got a nice little pop in there, though, about the CW. That was a shout out to Jimmy, has not lost it. One bit on the CW. You could find Brooks Kepp on the CW of the Crosswalk. I was like, oh, that's probably the one guy in the world that can get away with that at the Masters broadcast. But I do it all in all.

I hope we stop talking about the Liv versus PJ tours up. I know the players are sick of talking about it. They're sick of answering the questions. I mean, shit, Rory and Brooks went out and played a practice around together. I didn't have that going on either leading into the week. So I think hopefully most of it's put to bed. There's really good golfers that play everywhere. And in my opinion, the best one won at Augustine.

Yeah, he did. And I heard nothing. You know, you see social media. A lot of people are like, they're not covering the live players fairly. They're not showing. That's such bullshit. Obviously, Brooks was in the final pairing. We showed every single shot he hit.

I was doing the featured group channel. One of those featured groups was Phil Mickelson and Jordan Speath. I mean, there was no, there was no animosity. There was nothing inappropriate about what went on all week. It was the Masters. It was front. It was center stage and the best player in the world won. And it was a treat to be there.

Can't wait to get back next year. Hopefully we can dodge the weather next year. We need a little better because that Saturday was just ridiculous. They played a lot longer than I thought they would. If you could dodge a wrench, you could dodge a ball. And if you could dodge some weather even better. By the way, that featured group with Phil and Jordan. That was all-time rate.

That was like vintage golf from both of them. Jordan Smith. Would you want Jordan make nine tweets the last day? Something crazy. They best balled like a 58 or some wild shit like that. Those two like pretty kind of pretty comparable in the way they get around a golf course. That was fun to watch, man. But the week as a whole, hell of a week, hell of a fun time down there in Augusta.

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They will have you feeling good all year round. And I'll tell you, who got us feeling good, buddy, our guest this week. I mean, bringing in three bottles of wine for us, sat down, poured a little Vino, just had a time with our man, Jerry Kelly. To all of our younger guests that come on, this is a good way to ingratiate yourself to the host. It's show up with three bottles of Vino and just crack them open or just have a good time.

You know what I mean? The older generation gets it. And Jerry Kelly, man, the guy can go. He's got some stories. We had a hell of a time talking to him. All right. Here he is. Jerry Kelly on Golf Subpar.

Okay. Okay, our guests here tonight has been golfing his ball very well for a long time. He's got three PJ Tour wins. 11 wins with two majors and counting on the champion's tour. Recently became what I called? The most experienced player to ever play the weekend at the players, Jerry Kelly. And he brought wine. That was very respectful.

Yeah, I don't want it. Like, most experienced. That was. That's a good way to put it. I saw Krusty online today. I saw a bunch of different ones. Krusty? You're not Krusty.

By the way, you beat a lot of people. Let's just get, let's get, let's just get right to that. Good question to ask. First off, I'm not the biggest wine guy or rosé for that matter, but for Jerry Kelly. I just, I just wanted to get Colt drinking a rosé. I'll be honest, it's damn good. It's good to still chance. Cheers, boys.

Cheers, boys. Everyone of our only guests ever bring us booze. You're a hell of a man. Let's tackle the hard hitting questions here early. You're one of the most competitive people, I think anyone will ever meet. I know you still believe you can go out there and, and slap it around with the young fellas. But does it amaze you, like, how crazy the game of golf is nowadays

with how far these young kids are hitting it? I was shocked. I mean, I've played the Sony every year, and the Sony is one of those great equalizer courses as well. But it's short. And you don't really get the full effect. Okay, I got the full effect last week. And I played with Wyndham Clark and Dillardtile and Freteli.

Both can smash. I mean, both can smash. And, you know, Eric and I were talking, and we're like, these guys aren't even known to be the longest. But, I mean, there were multiple times where they were right next to each other. And I go to E, I go, dude, I can't get a sandwich to them right now. I can't. So, I mean, there's a solid 80.

And I told the guys, it averaged. 60 yards longer. Average. Sometimes they were 100. Sometimes there were 20. When they, the good thing is on that golf course, they will lay up with irons and shorter than driver. And I will absolutely hit driver everywhere.

So I kind of come close to them sometimes. Let me ask you this because obviously the money nowadays is crazy. But the way you play golf, are you happy you were in the air you were? Or are, I should say. You're not done yet. PJ tour era. Yeah, PJ tour era. I mean, yeah, I am 1,000%.

I think I could go back an era. Then be even happier. You know, there was a different sort of talent, a different sort of, uh, I don't know, what do you, what do you call it?

Uh, there's a, the way that the balls were. I mean, the rubber band, wrapped a lot of balls. These guys would explode how many balls per round. I mean, you couldn't hit them that hard.

And Dan Pole was about the longest when I was out. And I remember picking up his driver. I mean, that was, it was a telephone pole. It was a big, heavy steel thing. It had to be about 170, 190 gram. I mean, we didn't even put it in grams back then. it was in pounds. The thing was a sledgehammer.

It was huge. And for him to be able to swing that thing that fast, uh, it, it would be really cool to just put old equipment, new equipment and old guys and old equipment and new guys. And just, and just see that,

that's the argument. It would be fun to just see a tournament. Like, all right, this is a lot of persimmon, go get it. I know it's going to be different. It's not specked out every way,

but like that's the way it was back then. Like, oh, I hook my three wood. Like there wasn't, oh, move the waiting or just, change that, you know, adjust this. It's like, that draws, everything else fades. Just go give it to them and see it one time. It'd be fun to watch. But, I mean, that's what you got, too.

I mean, you didn't go in the trailer and say, you know, hey, can you whip me up another driver here? I mean, what you came to the golf course with was what you had. I mean, even the lofts of lies were pretty archaic back then. Trevino told me, I mean, obviously, that's going way back. But Trino told me he used to use the curb, sidewalk of the curb, and go over there with this putter or wedge or whatever and just bang it at whichever direction he thought he needed more upright more flat changed some loft i'm like things have changed a little bit yeah all the time i would love to

see because obviously nowadays the kids are taught to hit you know way up and way right on the driver if you're right-handed you do that with the old ball and the old equipment oh boy yeah it could be an adventure yeah i i mean you didn't have enough room on that face to actually go high right yeah it was it was almost that whiff and you'd see those old persimmon heads with that little notch on the top right of the face. It was kind of fun. And I think guys like if, say we had this talk earlier today, if technology stopped evolving in 97, it was like, that was it, boom.

Tiger was there, right? He was still playing steel shafted driver, all that stuff. I would argue that guys like Tiger, the top tier guys would have wanted even higher clip because I think the new technology makes it easier for guys that don't hit the middle of face every single time. 1,000%. Yeah. I fully agree with that.

That's what I was saying. It's just a different talent that there is now. Hey, the talent that these guys have now to move their bodies and to create the speed and to create the consistency, you know, and you see the top players are still bombing it out there. They're learning how to do that. But those are the guys that have the mind as well. There was a much more level playing field in length. and the difference was more the mental side and the control ability,

the hands had to be a little different. Not the entire body, but just the hands. There was a moment down there that you had to very precisely get. And you wouldn't be able to just close the back of that left wrist and turn through as much as that. the guys do now because you didn't know if that ball was actually weighted at the bottom. You know, the mud balls of today, those were the balls of yesterday. They were never round and they were never equally weighted.

I mean, you never knew what you were going to get. I mean, it's a liquid-filled ball. Yeah. I mean, it was kind of crazy. Bryson would have figured it out. Yeah, I'm sure. Yeah. Get those on a scale.

No, we used to put all the balls that we got in. a bathtub with Epsom salt. I've heard this. And you mark, once they settle, you put a mark on the top of every single ball. And then you just roll them all over the place. The balls that came up without the mark straight up again, those are the ones you played in the tournament. Because they were round.

Because they were round. Yeah. They were weighted correctly. But it was amazing how many times that little dot came up absolutely dead square straight up and down. When was, what time frame was this? When was the last time you remember doing that? It was definitely 90s. 90s? Yeah, totally. Like still in that guess, yeah, because I guess what? The pro-B, that kind of like, that's the first one that like changed the old, what was that? The professional did. Professional, I remember those. That was like gold having a sleeve of professionals.

And they were gold sleeves. But I remember I got my, like, I was like, oh my God, I can't play with these. These are only my putting balls. You know, I don't want to mess them up. Totally. Pudding balls. That's awesome. Yeah, I only put with them. You slide those non-round ones into your opponent's bag. You're like, here, you go. You're a professional. Here you go, back. Here you go.

We mentioned Tiger. I mean, you got to see that up close and personal. Take us through some of your favorite Tiger stories, playing with him, playing against him. Maybe what blew you away, if we have enough time for all that? Players. Man, I, it's just amazing. I mean, I was such a competitor wanting to beat him so bad.

basically because everybody in the media kept on saying, you know, why are you guys so afraid of him? Why does he intimidate you so much? He didn't intimidate us. Well, he didn't intimidate me, but he played so flawlessly and even hitting the ball offline. But scorecard, he played so flawlessly that you knew you had to do something special, something outside of your comfort zone to actually be able to compete with the guy. Because stroke for stroke, I'm sorry, he was going to take me down. So I had to do something special. As my wife reminds me very consistently, in 2001 when I was leading the players championship and I had the press conference.

I was feeling pretty good about myself, apparently. I don't remember this press conference, but she does vividly. And Saturday night, I happened to say, you know, Tiger's going to have to do something pretty special to beat me tomorrow.

Whoops. Don't go. Don't. Shut up, Jerry. Yeah, that was a bad moment of mine, apparently. Hey, at least you had the confidence. No, but I got, yeah, it was solid. I came out and we actually were tied through nine holes and it went to Monday.

Yeah, that's tough. That was awful. That's tough. That was a tough one. So Monday it came out. I'm still feeling pretty good at that point. And I hooked my drive into the left bunker on 10, saw grass. he knocks it you know iron down the middle past where my driver would have been on the left

i go to the left of that palm tree in between a couple of them bend it right to the edge where it's going to go down i mean another two feet that thing goes down right by the hole stays up top i'm feeling pretty good looking at him over there he stuffs it to about six inches and you could just see at that point. There was definitely no talking between us. It was just he's bombing out there and he is getting the job done. But I remember him getting lucky a few times. Yeah, he had crazy luck.

I do remember that. That was the better than most year, wasn't it? Yeah, that was on Saturday. That had to be like a moment where you just have to watch and be like, I'm witnessing this is going to live for a long time. I was watching that. across the fairway, and that was to get him into the final group on Sunday. Go away.

Yeah. Leave me alone. But who knows, would I have played as well? If he wasn't in the final group, did I play better because he was there? But the big thing about playing with Tiger is, again, not the intimidation factor of him, but the circus that comes with playing with Tiger. He is so good at coming up to a T when he's up And he'll just sit there and play with his glove

Look in his bag You know talk to his caddy do whatever Wait for all these guys to just file in T T T T A you know They're just lined up getting pictures doing everything And he knows when they get set He comes out starts his routine gets it done me when it's my turn I get up there I'm like all right stick the tea in the ground they're moving all over the place you know you gotta stop every single one of them

and now I'm out of my element I'm gone at that point but he is so good with that patience with the circus that's he's the only one used to he's the only one that lives that every week in week out for forever it's it's a different experience for everyone else when the scoring average paired with tiger for a long time was like you know crazy high compared to not with Tyke. I walked with him for the first time at L.A. And I'd never been inside the ropes in the same group as him. I'd been in front of him, I've been behind him.

And I was just like, holy shit. I mean, this is, it's a lot. Like, you feel bad. Like, he was playing with Tiro Hatton and somebody else on Sunday. And I mean, the second he taps in, boom, there's 10,000 people gone. And if you're over here, and Terell had to be going nuts. Stand still. I'm trying to put over here, too.

Watch me. They don't get to shit. He was great. He was funny that day. but he actually played decent, but it is. It's a totally, like, you go out there, I said this. We were, he started on the back nine on Saturday at Rift. He was in, made the cut on the number.

We get to number 16, and the leaders were on five. The leaders were Max Homa, John Rom, and Keith Mitchell. So Max Homa and John Rom, two of the biggest stars in the game right now. There was three times as many people around 16 green watching Tiger in 60th place as there were the lead group with big names. Yeah. That's just, that's how it is.

That's his life. Last Tiger question. at least for me. All right. So you play with him in that deal, your head-to-head, your competitors. That was in a time, too,

when, like, I feel like, Tiger didn't let a lot of people close at that point, right? I feel like he's opened up a little bit later. He's kind of Justin Thomas being the main guy,

but, like, he's a little more accessible, I guess, to people than he was back then. Then you go and play on the President's Cup team with him. Even though he's a competitor, typically, now he's your teammate. Is it impossible just to not kind of watch him

on that team, like, how does he do, now I get to look at it, now I get to look at it. Absolutely. No, you're watching it when you're playing with them anyway. I mean, but the glimpses on the other side, listening to him talk to some of the other players that he felt were probably a little more equal. Some of those conversations were really, really fun to listen to. I didn't have, you know, those heart-to-hearts with him. I would have to love to. And when it comes out on the Champions Tour, I am going to try and sit him down. You think he's getting out there? Jack says he's playing, and I just, that would shock me. Why would it shock you?

Just because of the way, the current situation he's in right now. I mean, and I just don't think Tiger will ride in a cart. I think he has too much pride to ride in a cart. I think he's most definitely going to ride in a cart. If anybody's deserved to ride in a cart at that stage, it is, it is that man right now. Hey, man. I wish he. We give him a hovercraft right now if he wanted to do, but he ain't going to take it.

I wish he would do it right. He won't on the BGA tour. because the records have been set without carts. Okay. And he doesn't want any record to be tarnished by anything. The records on the PGA Tour champions have carts involved. They always have. So it is not going to bother him in the least to take that

and think that, oh, there's going to be an asterisk. There's no asterisk. Well, if and when he does play out there, I mean, that's a game changer for that tour. I mean, it's got to be. Yeah, the tour's great. Do other people, like your buddies on the Champions Tour, does everyone feel like Tiger will be there?

Eventually, like, he'll go play. I do feel like he's dropped enough of those little hints that, that, yeah. Now, you know, he's not going to go out there and play a full schedule. Right, right. Because he's got a cart. Majors? Hey, play a couple majors.

You know, the Open Championship, you know, a senior open, and senior PGA, those are, those are some fun events. It's, it's really a great time. And plus you got, okay, senior players might be at Firestone. Yeah, you're pretty good. That might be a little draw for it. I used to think he would. You probably want him to stay away that one.

Let me take that one off. Yeah, yeah, that's your week. I would, I would absolutely love the chance. I, I want him to play every single week that I'm playing. I mean, to actually win against him would make any win that much better. He's the only guy I can say that about, but it's totally true. I mean, my whole career, we're a rookie's the same year. So he's destroyed me.

You're not the only one. I used to think he wouldn't play the champion's through, but now I'm like, okay, look at all he's gone through. And like, it would have been so easy to pack it in. Like, that's it. Dude, I don't have it in me to get back out there and go through all this. just to try to play, but he's done it, and he's done it time and time again. Now it's like, okay, you've kind of gone through it, assuming there's no more crazy injuries. It's like, he doesn't sit still well. What's he going to just, oh, I'm 50, I'm done playing,

maybe go trot around a few PJ Tour events. It's almost like he has to have something to fuel him to get ready for. It'd be interesting. You guys should check out, you know, a Champions Tour event at some point, because it is the purest form in golf of competition between pros. because most of the guys have made their living. They've done well. They still have the sponsorship, all that kind of stuff. They're not playing for the money. I mean, the guys on the PGA tour absolutely playing for the money.

They're playing for the titles. But, hey, there's a reason this thing jumped up so high. I mean, they're definitely playing for money as well. Solidify their future. But Champions Tour, there's not enough money. money to get a lot of these guys who have done so well in their career that excited about playing golf for what we're playing for. It's still more than what I played for as a rookie on tour. So I'm, I'm ecstatic. I love it. But that is competition. Well, you get the big cat out there.

Those first might jump up a little bit. That would a trickle down economics would be beautiful to have to come down. But trust me. I want to talk because you had two top tens of majors, 2007 Masters in the U.S. Open. I actually want to talk about the 2007 Masters because it's one of those ones where honestly because the weather was so bad, it set up really well for you. That's when Zach Johnson won. He laid up on all the par fives. You were two back going into the weekend. Take us through what it's like, what was like you played a number of masters. But that one in particular, like you had a chance going into the weekend. End up finishing T5. I had a chance on Sunday. It still burns me to this day.

The Eagle chances on, I made it on 13, but I missed it on 15, had a close on 17, good up and down on 16, but there were, there were so many if-ans or butts on that, and you can say that every single week. We all can.

But when it's the Masters, you know, you think about those at night sometimes. I mean, you had a chance on Sunday and you shot 78 on Saturday? Yeah. Yeah, I mean, that's crazy.

That year was... I believe I was just below the scoring average, though. Really? I just pulled it up. I think I made up spots on Saturday. 78 move up the board? I think I moved up to board. I like that.

That's my kind of time. And then you shot 70 on Sunday, you lost by three shots. To Zach Johnson, he won by two. Yeah. That's just, that's wild. I mean, it was right there. It was, I could feel that. I could sense it.

I felt like there was that chance. He was behind. me so he had more birdies to make on the par fives but i knew he was laying up too so it was i i went for both of them and knocked them both within 15 feet so on the part five's is there a major that you felt like represented your best opportunity like i would you're a straight driver augusta definitely i would have said maybe a u sope like the way i mean you're no it was always it was always too long though it was always too long and i'm way too aggressive uh at augusta you have to be aggressive because aggressive to your spots because there's five square feet to hit the ball to have it end up being close to the hole.

If you hit that, you got a chance of making it on a lot of holes, not just getting it close, but the way it comes back off of hills and funnels into these little spots where they put the pins so geniusly. I mean, it's it's really fun. That's why the backside at the Masters is the most fun to watch. On TV, you see that, and you just, like, as a viewer, you know, like, okay, they're going to use this slope over here. They're going to hit it here and do this. But until you've been there in person, like, you don't appreciate how good these guys are with their irons because those spots, like, number seven is a whole. We see guys feed it in there close to all the time.

And I never was there as a player. The first year I went there as broadcasting, I went out and walked the golf course, and I got to seven. I'm like, are you kidding me? That green, you have to land at the size of this table right here. Yeah. It's so the front left on number one is so tiny. So number five is the one that gets up every single year. I mean, there is a little, that's about three square feet in three four different locations just to get at each of those pins.

But the genius of the design of that course is that if you hit a shot and you land it where you want to, you will be rewarded. And you can be rewarded by making an iron shot. I think they're almost more than anywhere else on the planet. And, you know, if they built Augusta today, they'd probably laugh you out of the place. But I don't think anybody's been able to duplicate or replicate the way that you can, I don't know, make it so difficult yet if you hit the great shot so easy. There's a genius behind that golf course that I don't think any. everybody has really figured out the puzzle. Yeah, it looks like there's so many slope, like, all you got to do is hit it off

that slope and it funnels to the hole. Like, it's easy. Dude, just throw it in there. Like, it's like bumper pool, you know, or bumper bowling or whatever. I'm like, dude, that area that you got to hit to make it do that, it's fractional. And if you miss that slope, then you can't get in the next one close. You are completely gone. But like one thing, one hole that I feel like, I mean, it's obviously gets appreciated

because there's so much action, but 15, okay, which they've lengthened and raised the hill. So last year was the first year, I believe we had zero Eagles the entire tournament because more of the field was laying up than ever before. But when you do have to lay up there, people don't realize how hard that wedge shot is. Downhill lie above your feet to a green that borderline runs really hard right to left

and is so shallow. False front. I could not stand that layup. I had to push it way right for the left pen. And I'm like, oh, good, I'm in the first cut. Yeah. And then if it's in the front right, I mean, what do you do? You can't put it left.

You don't want to put it straight on. You don't want a full one in there. You just, it goads you to go for it. But, I mean, that is probably, I mean, that's a good call. That's probably the toughest third shot. Well, you got 14 at Pebble. That one's pretty close to it. There's no water there.

It's softened. Yeah. Yeah. A little. That's true. But I want to get your thoughts. I mean, 56 years old, the money is just insane. These guaranteed contracts for guys going over to live.

Give me Jerry Kelly's thoughts on the Live tour as you pour another fine box. Yeah, we need a little bit of the sacrament for the opposition. Yeah, we got to pour a little bit of the old Kenzo Rindo on this one right here. Let's figure it out now. Yeah, cheers, please. Cheers to you again. Cheers again. Yeah, that's a, it's a good talk on live.

I love the fact that they're playing the majors. I think that's great. That's not a part of the PGA Tour umbrella. I don't think there needs to be that kind of collusion between the organizations. Keep them separate. That's good. PGA Tour is a membership organization. So, yeah, it was tough that they weren't able to play in the players,

but I'd fully back that decision. But the majors, yeah, I think 1,000% they qualified for it. I think they should be able to play. I do too. They're majors. They don't become, they're not majors anymore. They don't have the guys that qualify for, the best in the world. The people that complained about them in the players, I'm like, it's the PGA Tour's

flagship event. If there's one event, they would never let them play in as the players. Absolutely. Yeah. So let's just go back. You're in the prime of your career on the PGA tour. Live comes about, you get offered a massive number. here we go

yeah jerry yeah i mean what do you think i never would have been a massive guy but uh you know they took a lot of guys that aren't massive and they gave them a lot of money you've been massive enough

yeah but you were 18th in the world at one point i believe yeah you've got to be pretty good at doing your math uh you know and not understanding that champions tour i mean it was a senior tour when i was looking forward to it and by the time

i hit 42 I was trying to just amass the rest of the way through, so I was actually going to be able to play out here. So I did my math in that kind of circumstance. You have to look at what you could make for the rest of your career, what you could make for 10, 15 years out there. You look at retirement. I don't think, you know, I've always done all my own finances. So it helps me to be able to spend those numbers. And I can look at some of these guys and go,

it might have been a bad move. Yeah. You know, some of them, good on you. Yeah, a lot of injuries. You know, you've got to, no, injuries are real things. I mean, hey, nobody wants to be out as long as it takes to actually start getting your insurance. and it's not as much as it used to be in the Anthony Kim days either. So no, there's some real math in there and there's some real thoughts of taking care of your family.

You know, for the guys who aren't legacy players. I harbor no ill will in that scenario. I just, I wish, you know, if agents were getting a piece of it and things like that, I hope they got good advice. I hope they really understood the ramifications and also the potential that is actually there on the PGA tour, which is huge. There is especially, yeah. I mean, after the kind of reaction to it, now it's like damn your apples to apples.

I mean, it was huge even for me back in the day, but now it's ridiculous. And you've still got history on your side. That is a beautiful thing to be able to chase, you know, the Palmer's, the necklaces, the tigers, to be able to chase those records and achieve them. I mean, that's a special thing. You're commissioner, Commissioner Kelly, are you allowing the live guys back at some point if they decide they want to come back to the PGA tour? I think it, I think legally you have to, number one. I don't know if that's the case, but in my mind.

So you throw a time limit on that suspension. He's already kind of made it a year. So there's your year suspension. after the last event that you play. And then you come back. The question is, are they able to retain their career money? You know, the way you come back is guys who don't have any other avenues.

I mean, Dustin's won 20 times. He's got a suspension comeback. Phil, you know, that's the other side of these guys leaving that, you know, following the business. big guys that may have avenues back that they don't. Let me ask you that's just on the other side of that. Q School is going to be interesting now. That would be a hell of a shoe school.

You've got, you know, the numbers are whatever they are. Dustin Johnson gets 150 million. Bryson Schamble gets 125. Brooks gets 125. Howard, if you're Jordan Speath, Justin Thomas, John Rom, who has turned down similar numbers, what are you going to say if they're like all of a sudden now, okay, these guys are allowed to come back? So they got to go away for a couple years and make all that guaranteed money.

And now they're back playing in the same events I am where I said no to that. And I stayed loyal to the PGA tour. I, that's a tough one. I mean, it really is. I heard there is a, you know, some sort of monetary give back situation. But where would that go to, the pension fund? Exactly. You know, I mean, what can be done in that instance?

So, I mean, do you make it a longer period of time for the suspension? I'm not sure how that will work, but those guys that were loyal, there has to be some sort of, I don't know. I think you gave it a little reach around. Yeah. Break it all up to these guys that all said no. But I have a hard time. I'm with, legality aside, I don't know what the rules. are on that if they're legally say no you can never play on this tour ever again but right now today

bison brooks bj name it all said this sucks this isn't what i thought i'm willing to give back prorated share whatever they paid me to come over i want back on the pj tour i have a hard time believing they would say nope we don't want you're not welcome back stars and that's the opinion of the sleighs and and i sometimes people think we sound alike i really i really do things think, I don't think you'd have a hard time saying no. The state of the PGA tour is very healthy. Yes. We don't need them.

In any way, shape, or form, we don't need them. There's an avenue of, you know, white hat, black hat, and, you know, they do get out in a Ryder Cup situation when things happen. But, you know, honestly, I'd be surprised if they're. around long enough for that to come to fruition. Yeah. I don't think PJ Tour can give that platform to them either. Like grant them that legitimacy to be like, yeah, you're on the same playing field as us.

You're not. It's more just like you guys go play your stuff. Ours is what my, like that's my take on it. Yeah. I don't think they'd ever open that door, even though I think fans would love it. Completely changed my mind on that one. That'll never have. That's terrifying.

Consultant. Let's talk about an event that's very special to you because I know out there you've won 11 times, two majors. But event happened just a couple weeks ago. out there on the PGA Tour Champions, Coligard, Coligard Classic down in Tucson. You're the tournament host. First off, why is this tournament so special to you? And what are all the great things that happened that week?

So the way this whole thing came about is I'm friends with the CEO of exact sciences who makes Coligard, Kevin Connery. And we just happened to be on a flight together. I'm like, where are you going? he's like I'm going to one of my relatives' funeral and just died from colon cancer and I'm like wait a second you're the CEO and you still have somebody in your family dying from colon cancer I mean we need to do something about this so I'm like I'm going to throw it on my on my collar whatever let's just get the word out and next thing you know there's this tournament

Tucson that needs a sponsor and I come to him and say, hey, you want to make this thing big? Let's do this. And he was absolutely all in. And it's right at the beginning of colon cancer awareness month in March, which is such a great platform. And we've got all these colon cancer coalition, the advocates, the patients, the patients, with survivors and basically in advocates, what we're trying to do is make every single person a survivor. You know, I lost a great friend of mine, Rabi Andringa.

We grew up together, playing hockey together. He was two years younger than me, and he was always on my team, so you know he was always better. He won a national championship with UW, Wisconsin. And he was 48 years old and contracted stage four colon cancer. And at that time, the age was 50. Now it's dropped down to 45. So when you should get checked.

So I said at 45, you know, you hand those hats out to anybody 45 and older, and then you make sure that the people get checked. Because the instances now of colon cancer in people from 30 to 40 is, growing at an alarming rate. And nine out of ten people survive early detection. One out of ten survive late detection. So just getting this word out at this tournament and it's turned into such a spike, you know, at internet searches and all that kind of stuff, it has been incredible.

And we started with one group the first year. and we had about, I don't know, I had 50 groups and over 200 survivors that were there this year. And it's become such a, I don't know, get cheesy, such a beacon of hope. You know, that all these people, I hear it every single week. You know, and I hear the tough tales every single week from people. I hear that thank you for doing this because, you know, It saved my brother's life. You know, there's so many different things.

And I got the chills right there thinking. I mean, people are saying that to me because of a golf tournament. That's awesome. I mean, it's crazy. I know everyone, y'all wear blue ribbons. You kind of all play for somebody. Like your good friend Steve Stricker this year, for those in the golf world, Steve DiMeglio is going through it right now.

Great rider for USA Today. He's going through it. I mean, it's a scary disease. But what y'all are doing is just awesome. Thanks. Thanks. Yeah, those ribbons, the way the guys have gotten behind that movement, that is really touching for me to see. You know, they get a plaque with a person's name on it and they write them a great note. They do a video message to them. They get in contact with them. Sometimes they're there and they get to walk with them. it is such a personal connection

and it's so above and beyond what normal PGA Tour Pros do at a tournament and they've taken it on as like this tournament that is so much more than just a golf tournament that it's really a mission that it's a drive to get people to know you got to get screened early

and it's really saving a lot of people And I think it's crazy how much, I don't know. I don't say how much fun it is to see because there's still so much heartbreak out there. That is needless. I mean, there's 60 million people underscreened right now. 60 million. That's crazy. They've screened over 10 million, but, I mean, there's such a long way to go.

So, I mean, I don't. I don't want people to lose friends like I've lost friends. I don't want you guys to die. I don't want, you know, and I mean, it's dark to say, but this is the kind of conversation. Nobody wanted to talk about colon cancer because of where it is. But it's also cancer. I mean, it's a number two killer in the entire country between men and women.

It's people think of heart and breast and lung and all this. No, it's colon cancer. and it's so preventable. It's crazy. Go get screen. I know we got a message to everyone. What is it? 45.

What is it? Unless you have family history, if you have family history of colon cancer, I think it is 10 years younger than when it was detected in the person in your family. So, you know, if your father had it at 44, 45, hopefully is still with you, but you can get checked at 35. I mean, it's really, really important to understand that family history.

I looked into mine afterwards, and we didn't have any in ours, so I'm able to do the Coligard just every three years and feel very safe about my future at that point. But that's really all it takes. but yeah your doctor can do it I mean your RN can do it now Teledoc can do it now I mean there's absolutely no excuse you can never leave your couch and take care you done a great job as like spokesman ambassador whatever the proper terminology is for that but bringing awareness I know you're very passionate

about it yeah I got to bring one more thing okay did you guys see the SNL skit I did not know what this this past week come on I'm normally out on who is the host Kelsey? Woody Harrelson. Oh, I saw the monologue. Two weeks ago. Yeah, we don't want to talk about the monologue. Yeah.

Can you bring it up? Yeah, you want to. Come on, bring it up. Yeah, we can do it. I'll get it out here. I'll get it out here. Let's take a little break here for a second. We're going to have to watch SNL for a second.

So they had no idea about that. No. No clue. Great advertisement for them. It's incredible. I mean, get it out. Free marketing. Get it out any way you can with that, but that is...

Please turn that computer off. There's no tell what might pop up does. Do not look at my history. Wow, that's really cool. Woody Harrell's a leash. There's no way I'll ever see anything about Colgard ever again and not think of that, for the record. No question. So it worked.

It worked 1,000 percent. Yeah, Daddy. And I just make you feel like a real man. I definitely in the interviews for the players championship. I might have mentioned I'm going to unleash it up first. That's good. I like that. He's unleash as much as possible.

Should we unleash the emergency nine? Of course. All right. Of course. These are going to be nine fun ones. Before we get to it, because we don't really go over things before we do this. Do you have anything about Aaron Rogers in there? Do you want to talk about it before?

Yes, I do. Okay, we'll save it then. Okay, we'll get to it there. We need everything broken down. We ask this to everyone. You can be anyone in the history of life for a day, dead, alive, whatever you want. be you get to walk in their shoes for a day who would it be i go jimmy buffett oh god that's less of all time it's good i've said that a lot i'm like no one wants no one wants you to write a new song

play all the shit you wrote a hundred years ago and just go to exotic locations and sing the same shit over and over and get paid a bazillion i might be a parrot head yep god see i like that that's like i haven't seen have you seen him in concert probably about 20 30 times yeah haven't been want to see him it's like it's like guards brooks when he comes out of the new song he'll out and his concerts would be like, I know you all here to hear this, but we're just going to play one of the new ones, and we're going to get to all the old stuff. Yeah.

Because that's what we want to see. Most people write some new stuff. For some reason, there's a few guys like, don't ever write a new thing. Always play that. All we want is the old stuff. When you have 42 hits, just stick with those. Yeah. Yeah.

I want to see Jimmy in concert. All right, first one for me. All right, Netflix show, like they made on the PJ tour, is being made on the Champions Tour. Give me the three guys they should feature. for best entertainment value following them around best entertainment value i mean you got to go bernard just because he's because he's a lot more funny than you think but he's so dry and he'd catch so many people off guard and then you got to go harrington because he's he's he's kind of crazy yeah he's been

in here he goes yeah i mean it's it's awesome i mean he just he's non-stop that's pretty cool and who's Well, throw Doug Barron in there. Oh, yeah. He's wild. There you go. Come on, double fist it. I thought for sure we'd get him, Miguel, and how. In there.

Too many captions. That's it. I can't be. I mean, I want to go out to dinner with him really bad. I've told him this all the time, but I, I need the caption. I feel like Darren Clark would be a good hang. Clark, you'd be a really good hang. He can go.

There's a lot of good ones on the TV. But, I mean, those are the obvious ones. Yeah. You guys didn't want the obvious ones. You're one of the ones that... Mikey Allen... Oh, Mike Allen would be sucking. It was a beautiful, beautiful human being who I love would be a great one.

Absolutely. We'd go to the Mesa Skins game. You might get a little more juice out of the champs tour guys than you do on some of the PGA tour guys. I think you get a lot more. Yeah. Let's make that. After you feed them a little juice. Get a little juice.

Even more full swing. That's what we'll call it. All right. Fuller swing. You always been a really straight driver of the golf ball. Are you a better driver of the golf ball or of a car? According to your wife, Carol, perhaps. According to Carol, definitely the golf ball.

According to me, definitely the car. Tell me about this Honda you had. I had a four-door Honda Civic station wagon that had two gears. a manual shifter two gear no clutch. No clutch? It was I mean it was

incredible and it had been through Mount St. Helens out at University of Montana with my brother and you could open the hood and you could still have ash from Mount St. Helens underneath that hood but it might have been nicknamed

the FearMobile. Are you wild on the roads? I think I'd terrified Nikki Stricker more than anybody else on the planet. I'm guessing that's where you might. That's what it sounds sounds like. She had a hard time actually letting her children in my car just because of high school days. Yeah, she said apparently jam-packed the kids in there and then just terrifying driver.

We did add 12 in there one time and got stopped. 12. 12. That's the four doors. That was a nice feature to the Honda Civic. That was a clown car. I mean, we had everybody in there and it was a lady police woman

and came up and she looked in and she's like, have you been drinking? I'm like, no man. She's like, get these people home. What do you do? Do you know you have an entire children's army in your time? Just go. You have four seatbelts at 12 people.

Those were the good days where they actually let you go thinking you do the right thing. All right, it's fair enough. All right, you won Nike Tour Player of the Year in 1995 and the PJ Tour accidentally sent you Greg Norman's trophy for PJ Tour Player of the Year. Looking back, if you knew then what you know now,

would you have kept that thing and what could it be worth? That's a nice piece to have. I totally thought about keeping it. I'm shocked you gave back, but no, I never got it. Send him another one. I still don't know to this day. I can't remember if they called me first or I called them first. I'm not,

I'm not positive on that one. I want to say. I remember a conversation with my family going, this is kind of cool. Yeah. It's a little good on the mantel. Greg doesn't need this.

Turn around the other way. Nobody sees Greg name. Yeah. That was player of the year. How did you know that? Huh? That's good. I dig in.

It was a good one. I dig in. By the way, if you had that right now, but Greg, I know that they're not talking to you right now, bad you want this bad boy that could be that could be worth a lot good man thank you

thank you um all right I can't figure which one I want to go I still like this one no it's very good I'm not a fan of any of them they just keep going down like this is this is the bordeaux blen like water rindo bordeaux these are the ones you got at the players is it good oh this is uh we had Kenzo winery into our players dinner I have a

different winery in every single year for our players dinner on Wednesday night in Tucson Oh, nice. Is that your thing? Is wine like your thing? Are you like a car? Some guys are car guys, watch guys, whatever, shoe guys.

Are you wine guy? I was car and watches, but now I'm food and wine completely. There's a place in Dallas. Every year and I'm buying a bar, and you always go to my friend's restaurant, like a French pastry restaurant. My guy's number one. There you go. Rise number one. I mean, that is a straight-up souffle capital of the world of, uh, so, so that's a straight-up,

of, suflay capital of the United States. I'd call rise number one. Sorry, my friend, Tara worked there. She's like, do you know this golfer, Jerry Kelly? I was like, yeah, she goes, he comes in here every night. I mean, I would get three of them. And I'd sit there for, I mean, three hours. So I'd get a kind of an appetizer one,

that I'd get a really savory one, and I get a dessert one. And they're not small. So I did well. Well, if you're in Dallas, Go check out Rise. Well done. That's number one.

There you go. All right. Have you ever took your phone out during a PJ tour around and filmed another player's shot? Yes. Can you describe it for us? Elaborate? Yeah, it was a shot out of a water. I mean, it was...

Well, and this happened more than once. I knew this person was going to get absolutely splattered, and they didn't. So there's nothing I can do with it. Well, it's happened twice. It wasn't as much fun. Because you did it to me at Beth Page. Did I? Where was that one?

17 at Bethpage. Me, you and Harrison Fraser, we're all shooting a million on Friday. We're like, last group. That impossible part three. And none of us could believe how deep my ball buried under the lip of the bunker.

And I'm literally getting ready to dig in. You're like, hold on. And you pull your phone out. You're like, I got to get this on film real quick. Me and Lady, your caddy were talking about that this morning. That's so good. I do remember that. He's like, one of the funny stories is at your expense.

Jerry made you wait so you get his phone out to film you hit a bunker shot. That's when you know you're locked in. This is called the zone. Don't hit yet. Let me get my phone. Great Hall of 17th. The Beth page. I believe 12% of the field

hit that greater regulation. It's great. It seems like a beating. Yeah. Just a pound. Just a, I mean, just smash, smash.

I mean, it was key to get it in the fairway, but the problem is is that I couldn't reach the fairways on a couple of them. And at least the crowds are so nice and supportive around there. They root for you.

Absolute sweetheart. Root for you. I'm still, I'm still playing, so I can't, no, they were fan. You guys,

there in the Northeastern. There you go. I mean, love you. Love you. Love you. I just keep it coming. Just bring it all. Yes.

Love it. Yeah, love to lead to do that. Got a career in politics after this. All right, here we go. On to your boy, Aaron Rogers. Obviously, you're a huge Packer fan. Friend of Aaron Rogers. You played the AT&T with him, what, five years?

Your partners? A decent amount of years. I think it's eight. Was it eight? Was it more? That was like seven or eight. A number of years, enough to develop a friendship. If it meant Aaron Rogers would stay a packer for

wife, would you be willing to go on one darkness retreat with him? Oh. And it's not the frog. It gets you a little ayahuasca, a little enlightenment, a little clarity. I think you could be into something like that. Green and gold forever for Aeron? I would definitely go on an ayahuasca retreat. You don't care if Aaron plays for the Packers?

You go wherever you want, Aaron. I'll still go. Call me. I'll go with you. Aaron, you play wherever you want, but can I go on the retreat with you? You know what? just so happens me and Colton Mill a guy. We're going to get you the frog.

DJ Trahan is all in on this stuff nowadays. Why does that not surprise? Do you want to hear a crazy, ironic, coincidental thing that I read today? I did not know this right before Aaron Rogers played, I think it was the second year when you started to get paired up with him. His first year, guess who is paired with? Treham. DJ.

Yep. That might have been when this all launched. And now they're all little ayahuasca. They're all little ayahuasca brothers now. Side question. Aaron Rogers also hurt you. Pebble Beach that was that was awesome I mean that was that was awesome that was that was pride it was total pride talk to me so I mean I'm catching a 30 to 40 yard pass from

Aaron Rogers as I'm sprinting down the fairway on 18 at Pebble Beach I mean how beautiful is that and the way that he throws a ball which I never really realized I've played catch with him a bunch and I've never seen a ball. Well, just be able to maneuver the point any way you want to maneuver the point. I mean, if I throw a high ball, it just flutters on the way down. But his spin just, I mean, it turns that point down and he drops that point. Wherever he wants to drop the point, if he wants to drop it 30 yards out, it'll drop the 30 yards out. If he wants to drop it 10 yards out. It'll drop a 10 yards out.

It's like a great curveball throwing pitcher. He knows when that thing's going to break and where it's going to break because of the speed. I mean, I saw it coming. It was right here, and then all of a sudden, it just went straight down. And I reached, and I fingertipped this thing right at the bottom. And I squeezed it so hard with my fingertips

that I popped a tendon in my finger right here. worth it. And my finger looked like this. I mean, it was... It was bad. It was no lie. It was... It was the middle guy? Yeah, it was completely shocked like this. Now, I didn't let on to him, but I could feel

it. It just popped. And I could feel it. And he needs to eagle, birdie for an eagle, to make the cut. I think that's the closest we came. Well, this year, he ran away from the field. Yeah, he

did we'll get to that one but he but but he topped it in the water with his three wood trying to hit this cut over the water which he i mean he goes for those hero shots which is awesome i love it and now i've got my second shot now i know i have to make eagle and i'm like hey look my fingers borderly broken he wasn't really happy at that point but i mean his caddy was over there with me we were looking at. But I just grabbed the club like this. I'm glad it wasn't meant the other way and glad it was meant this way. And I knocked it up there and just got it to the front edge,

which I didn't have the firepower to do it. But no, he definitely heard me. And I mean, that thing, it's still numb to this day. Damn it, Aaron. I can't feel the top of it. Definitely worth it to lose feeling in your finger to catch one. I'd catch passes all day. Now, funny thing is my wife always wanted to catch a pass.

from Aaron Rogers, but not just any past. Like, I want you to throw it as hard as you can. Oh, no. No, no, you're dead. No, Carol. And he's like, no, I won't. So she actually put the uniform, she put the helmet, put everything, you still wouldn't do it. And now I understand why.

Yeah. Because that was just dropping at the bottom of its arc. On a nothing like casual on the 18th fairway. I squeezed it enough to pop that thing. So. Tay, yeah, I know. what you've been doing through. All right.

Now that we got that story, where's he going? You want to break news on subpar here? Is he wearing green? By the time, when this comes out, the world will know. Everyone comes out. I would,

he's definitely going to be wearing green. There you go. Place your bets accordingly. I just want him to, I just want him to play. Dude loves the game. He loves the game. And sometimes when you,

You get all this stuff going on with teams and ownership and all that kind of stuff. You kind of lose sight of that part of it. And that's, I just wanted to come back to love in the game. I don't care where he plays. I really don't. I care the individual and that he finds that love again because I know he does. Of course. I mean, you don't play like that without loving it.

He loves his golf too. He's tuned in every week. But what do you think of that handicap at Pebble? this year. He's improved. I think it's totally fine. I think it's I think that's a lot closer to his handicap. I think a two handicap or something like that is a more of a vanity handicap type situation. I I think he's plus you put him on a PGA tour event where he's been playing football all year. I mean, you've got to give a little chance on

that. We'll allow it. They don't give anybody their set handicaps. Larry one Larry gets dragged for his handicapped and like we play a thing like that's real dude. He can blow it off the world. Yeah, but he just hits iron at Pebble Beach every time so now he doesn't have the retees

and stuff. He's going to play good. Exactly. And I'm telling you that's Aaron I do not feel bad about him doing that. I know they ham and I got it like crazy. I won it with Bob Halmy Jr. And his handicap was not out of line in any way, shape, or form.

We haven't. I got it so perfectly and so great. But it was the first year of the gin or the gin handicap. I don't even know how to say it, because I don't know what a handicap is. Again? It's called it the gin from now. The gin. It is gin, isn't it?

That's gin, but gold jacket, green, this is Jim. I agree. Yeah, that's a gin. It's much more fun. That's true. So, I mean, it came out because he had one good round. And all of a sudden he had a low handicap. And because it's Aaron Rogers.

And you want him to come back and if it's winning, he's coming back. Yeah. It's just not the way it is. Yeah. Everyone relax. A handicapped. It's not a, it didn't get pain. It's just a little funsy.

Totally fine. Throwing balls in the fairways, breaking fingers. It's what it's about. The handicat system sucks. Yes, it does. All right, next one. We know you love your golf, love your hockey, red wine, suflays, all that. You got one day left on this wonderful earth.

You got to pick one. You got to either go hunting or you've got to go fishing. Which one's it going to be? Ooh. I know your big fans, both of them. You know, the funny thing is, is Strick's tried, he's tried to give me hunting a lot. I'm like, Strik, you want to put me up in a tree?

I mean, I am going to be doing something that smells. I am going to be loud. I am impatient. I am going to be moving around. He's like, yeah, you're not coming hunting with me. And when it comes to fishing, I live on a lake in Madison, Wisconsin. Yet I am the wake surfing boat that swamps the fishermen. Catching. I love catching. I don't really like fishing. Catching. I'm good. We've got a walleye hole

about 20, 30 yards off bar pier. A lot of the pros hear that thing right in the morning, 5.30 in the morning. I love trolling some lines off the pier. But I would have to say neither and put me on a wake surf. Or put me surfing on that lake and I'll figure out how to kill something if you want me to, a fish or whatever. I'm with you. I'm not a big hunter or a fisherman. Yeah. I love watching the dogs. Believe it or not.

Love watching the dogs work and duck hunting, though. That's pretty sure. You're not a sit still guy. No. Yeah. I'm going to be doing something to smell. That's when I was like, I get it. I get it.

Yeah. I get it. All right. We haven't even talked about your hockey days. I was wanting to go back to your hockey days. little bit, but I'm going to give you a little taste right here. Okay. Who's the last guy on the Champions Tour you would want to drop gloves with?

Oh, I'd definitely be Derek Clark. Oh. Really? I had a bet. I had, yeah, I thought it was Ernie. Yeah. Big boy, dude. I already kind of done that with him a little bit.

Did you? There are wins. Oh, we've wrestled. He loves to wrestle. Oh, yeah, he does love that. And now we fight. Great. After the 17th.

No, that's great. He's a big teddy bear. But Darren Clark, I don't think there's a way that I could actually get him down. Ernie's tall enough. You could topple him in some way and get him on a ground. It'd still be hard down there, but easier. But Darren, I don't think it would matter. It'd just be.

Mass. You might not be able to. I don't think I can ever. I like that. I can't get around them. I can't do anything. Pull his man, bud. That's about it.

Yeah, he's got that man button now. He's vulnerable in the back. Yeah, I think that would just... Pull that cashmere over his head and grab the bond. All right. Last question. I didn't think that would be... That surprised me a little bit.

Last question. Better chance of getting fined by the PGA tour for Conduct Unbecoming. Your man, Steve Stricker, or Peter Malnotti? Wow. Or Jesus Christ himself. You might as well put the third in there. No, definitely strict. Definitely strict.

Because Strick has got such a burn that I don't think people really realize what he brings up from inside. Hey, there's a reason that he cries at the end of all these things is not because it means that much to him. It's because he's releasing everything that he is kept in. He is extremely competitive. I mean Yeah But he bottles it so well I could never see him going on like a tirade

Club slam FBahn all that Like even though he might want to And internally I know like he's competitive Neither one of them Neither one of them will But Steve has just that much more of a burn That if it's going to be one of those two Steve

It would definitely be Steve Just because of Oh it Wants it To me it's a beautiful thing to see and being a partner with him in a shark shootout and all that kind of stuff.

I mean, I loved watching that because it just gave me that glimpse inside of what he's really about. And he is a pure competitor, man. All right, Peter, prove him wrong. Do something cool.

Peter, blow up and go crazy. They shoot, that's coming. Gosh darn it. That's 10 grand. I love it. Jerry, man. This has been awesome. To everybody out there, go get screened. Call the Guard Yard doing awesome work over there.

Really appreciate you coming on with us. Thank you guys for bringing light to that too. I appreciate it. You got it and call me about the darkness retreat. We'll exchange him from it. That's a deal. We'll get dark. Jerry Kelly, everybody.

All right, that was Jerry Kelly on golf subpar. Fun one with him. Got a little buzzed at the end of it with off his wine. I loved it, though. Really appreciate him bringing that in. But man, what a warrior this guy is. He's been out there for so long. making the cut at the players championship at his age.

You know, won several times on the PJ tour, played alongside Tiger all those years. Filmed me because my lie was so shitty at Beth age during around. That's always fun. Special. Love to that. Getting Norman's trophy. I thought that was a spectacular story,

which I wasn't even aware of before we started the interview until we started digging in. That's something. Maybe hold on to that one. $335,000. That's a car. He got me a little excited talking about, Tiger on the Champions Tour?

Very much. I feel like the narrative's kind of changed on that a little bit. If you rewind a handful of years, I think you and I would have both agreed, but yeah, I don't know if Tiger's a champion's tour guy, you know, created his legacy. Maybe he pops in for some majors here and there, but it seems like the more guys we talk to now, the more they're saying he might be out there more than we think. All right. Well, that was a lot of fun with Jerry Kelly. It's now time to make some money.

RBC Heritage Week, one of the best weeks on the PGA Tour, golf course that I absolutely love it's so different. Most importantly, it's short. So I had a few good weeks here. But let's tee it up on Fandul this PGA tour season. Right now, new customers can get $150 in bonus bets, guaranteed when you place a $5 bet. All right, RBC Heritage, Strongfield, designated event. A lot of great players, Roy McElroy actually withdrew.

So sad for the people here at Hilton Head that he's not teeing it up. But for my favorite, he played extremely well Sunday. He loves this place. He's the defending champion. He's going off at 18 to 1. Give me Jordan Speed. Oh, okay. I like that.

The kid's making some tweets right now. I'll tell you that. He's going to peel one off here very, very soon because he's been playing some good golf, making a lot of tweets. Let me find my odds here on my favorite because I just wrote him down. All right, I'm going off right here. I feel like this guy's going to be chalky. He's the fifth betting favorite this week, but I feel like he's going to get a lot more

love than that. Colin Morikawa. This place just screams Colin Morikawa to me. He's one of the best iron players, if not the best iron player in the world. coming off a top 10 at the Masters T7 here last year. Give me Colin to get it done in the designated event. Back to back. By the way, it's hard to kind of ramp up and stay hot, you know,

lock in from a major and then a designated event the week after. But Colin's got it in them. Yeah, but these guys, they get excited here. You know, a lot of people bring their family here. It's a vacation week to golf course. Everybody loves it. I think they're going to be rocking and ready to go come Thursday. For my dark horse, I've picked them recently a couple times.

I just think at some point it's going to click and he's going to get it done. He's never won on the PGA tour. He's going off at 55 to 1. Not sure is course history here at Harbortown, but I don't care. I like him. Tommy Fleetwood. Oh, fairway, Jesus. Come on down.

All right. I like that. Yeah, you have been running hot on Tommy Fleetwood lately. I'm going to go with a guy that's the exact same odds, Colt. 55 to 1. I believe you picked him earlier in the year. I feel like his time's coming. He's got one finish outside the top 15 in his last six starts. He's rested after last week.

His time is coming soon. Why not now? Ricky Fowler. Come on. Come on, Rick. He would look good in that tart and jacket. It's time. Yeah, add that to the wardrobe.

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1,800 522-470470 in Wyoming, or visit 1-800 gambler.net in West Virginia. How about it? How about it? What a week, BG, tip of the cap to you down there in Augusta, you left it all in the field. I left it all the field. I've actually left some here in Scottsdale as well

since I got home, but it's been a hell of a run and a great start to the major championship season. Well, it's time for a little rest, and then we'll get going here at RBC Heritage. but as always a lot of fun love you guys we'll talk to y'all soon on golf subpar