Subpar - Jim McMahon Interview: Stories from the American Century Celebrity Golf Championship, a big betting day with Michael Jordan

Episode Date: June 16, 2020

On this week's episode of GOLF's Subpar, Super Bowl Champion Jim McMahon joins former PGA Tour pro Colt Knost and his close friend and on course rival Drew Stoltz for an exclusive, in-studio, interview. The Chicago Bear's legend talks playing in the American Century Celebrity Golf Championship Tournament over 30 times, Michael Jordan offering him a million dollar bet on the course, and why he thinks he plays better hungover than sober.

Hello world. Welcome to another episode of Golf Subpar. I am Colt Nose, joined as always the Sleazy man. Sleazy, golf is back. Golf is back. Golf is back. Gambling is back, more importantly. It felt right, finally. First weekend in a long time where I had something to just completely sweat over on the weekend and yell at the TV and had a couple came down to the wire. So I feel back. I'm back alive again. I got some ways to win and or lose, mostly lose money on the weekend. Well, Vegas reported Charles Schwab Challenge was the most, what was the most heavily bet golf tournament. in PJ tour history. Yeah. I mean, that's crazy to me. Not, I'm like not, I mean, granted, it's not like a major. You would think maybe a master's final round or something like that would be the most ever. But I mean, dude, people are, the only thing out there right now to bet on is UFC.

And I've been betting it. I don't really know anything about it. I pretty much just bet for knockouts or submissions. Or if you're from Brazil, I pretty much bet on the dude. But other than that, like, I don't know anything because golf is here. I think people that have no interest in golf or having in the past that just want something to bet on are now betting on golf. Well, yes, it is very good to be back. It's exciting to have some action out there.

We'll go over our picks for this week at Harburtown a little later and review what happened this past week. But first, we got to give a little shout out to our man, Daniel Berger, who hoisted the trophy at Colonial. Yeah, man. I thought from a leaderboard perspective, it couldn't have been scripted better for first week back. I mean, you had literally every big name at some point on Sunday or at least on late Saturday that you could want on that leaderboard minus maybe a John Romp. He was like the only guy there. I mean, that thing was packed all kinds of do. And it was so jammed up.

I mean, there were so many guys on Sunday that could win. It was a 10. Shout out to Daniel Berger. Good to see him. Third win, by the way, which people, I mean, when they mentioned this was his third one, I'd almost like forgotten about his other two in Memphis, but hated to see Morikawa lose it the way. I would have liked to see that thing go another couple holes. I don't like ever see a tournament lost on like a three, four foot par put. But props to Burger, man. He played good and held off some beast down the stretch. He did. And look, you got it. Someone's going to win. It's going to happen one way or another, and it was unfortunate the way it happened to call him Morcao, but Burger just kind of slid under the radar all week, was just hanging, hanging, hanging around, and goes out there, birdies the 72nd hole, ends up in a playoff

when Morcau misses a six-footer. And like you said, his third PJ Tour victory. Coincidentally, all three come in the second week of June. That's so weird. That is so weird. And he also had a hell of a run at the U.S. Open, the third week. He didn't win it, but was it, but was it Chinnicock or somewhere. He was in the final group of Chinnicock.

third week of June too. So keep that little nugget going forward. If you're looking to roll the dice the third week of June or what week was it? It was a second week of June. Second week of June. I'm not a big date guy. This is now going to be the third week. Yeah. Third week. That's a time to load up on the burger. Yeah. It seems like it. But hey, another exciting week. One of my favorite courses on the PGA tour, Harbor Town. The RBC Heritage is here this week. Before we get to that, can we just quick, I want your take. Bryson D. DeCimbo stole the show, got all the attention this weekend with the new bulked up Bryson ball that he's playing. Quick thoughts on him. him. It is a spectacle. It is. It's absolutely unbelievable. I mean, the guy, I can't, like,

I knew he was big, but then you turn the TV on and you're like, oh my God. Dude, it's, he's hard to even it's like he gained 45 pounds and lost a neck at the same time. It's just chest and then head. And it looks like a linebacker out there. But watching him hit the, I know, like typically Bryson's on TV. You're like, oh, slow play. Don't really care. Keep it moving. I couldn't see enough of his stuff this week, especially off the tee. I was like, show me him, especially if there's a driver. He's fitting it at speeds that I've, I mean, we've never seen on the PJ tour before. He was consistently at like 188 miles an hour ball speed, which is around 20 miles an hour faster than the tour average.

It's disgusting. That's a colonial where you're not really letting it rip. Yeah, that's a course that we're not letting it rip. Sea level, humid. It was hot, so the ball's jumping. But like, I mean, Justin Rose played with him. He's like, first hole, dude, I hit one about as good as I'm going to hit it. It flew about 300 yards in the air.

I'm 40 plus behind Bryson. It's a different game. And it was more accurate this week. 2% more accurate. So, yeah, I mean, if he, I never saw him really hit a foul ball. So if he can keep it somewhat straight and develop a decent wedge game and not get hurt with this crazy workout program, he's going to be a force to be reckoned with on the PGA tour. Yeah, keeping that weight up, not the easiest, I would think.

He's drinking like five or six protein shakes per round, which just seems crazy. But hey, he's weird. And he believes in what he's doing. And it looked pretty damn good this week. And that's not a course where it should be, in theory, like the biggest advantage to be hitting it like that. But he still made it work. No, and we're off to another beautiful golf course that we're length. doesn't really matter that much, and that's Harboretown golf links for the RBC Heritage.

One of my favorite weeks on the PGA Tour schedule, a place I've contended at a couple of times. Just one of the most unique golf courses on the PGA Tour. That's one of my favorites. I've never played it, but I love watching it. It brings the entire field I feel like as a potential to win that golf tournament. And for a guy like you, like you had to lick your chops, I would think, every week going into Harbottown. It's one of those weeks where it's almost like playing at home. You know everything's so perfect.

You just don't want to put too much pressure on yourself. For you, you mean? Like this is one of the ones. Yeah, like the guys like Luke Donald, Jim Furrick. They just thrive around this place. And it was one of those weeks. I would get to it. I'm just like, okay.

This is one of your few chances you could really win out here on the PGA tour. You better bring it. And I had a third and like an 11th. So I had a couple decent showings. The third was the heartbreaker. We can kind of use that as our funny money segment this week. Yes, I know this. The money was not funny.

It was real money. But, you know, had solo. lead first and second round going into the weekend tied for the lead going into sunday with carl peterson played played with him's um both saturday and sunday held it together nicely on saturday was right in their shot 69 i believe and then go to sunday and um got a little nervous had a had a panicked t shot on the third hole went went to a triple boge but ended up finishing third missed quite an expensive one on 17 from about three feet for birdie and then an eight-footer for par on 18 to finish tied for second.

Should have finished solo second, but was my biggest check to date at the time, and that was in 2012. And didn't you get a little text from a friend of the program right after one or two of both of those missed spots, 17 and 18? A good friend of ours here, guests on the show reminding you like, hey, tell that. So I had, well, first off, I'll tell the story properly. So I look at the leaderboard on 17, and I'm in third place. Yeah, I'm in third place. One back of Zach Johnson. So it's like three feet.

And I'm like, okay, this is the tie for second. Miss it. Nice. Damn it. Yep. Go up there. Start counting money. Yep.

So I go to 18. I hit it in the fairway, which is pretty hard to miss that fairway. And I see the leaderboard again. And they had it wrong. They had Zach putting for birdie from like 30 feet. So I'm like, okay. We misses it. So I'm like, he makes partial.

I was like, I got a birdie 18 to finish tied for second. Well, I try to hit the aggressive one. I take the shorter club, hits the lip of the bunker, comes back down in the bunker. I'm like, all right. Well, not going to probably make birdie. just not butcher this or anything like that while I'm walking up well they had the scoreboard wrong he was actually putting for par he makes bogey so now I'm tied for a second and now I'm like I got to get up and down to tie to tie for second one of the most nervous I've ever been I hit at the bunk shot like

eight feet and didn't even come close to hitting hitting the hole tap in for third turn on my phone after I sign my scorecard first text Gary Willen do you have any idea how much money that puck cost you thank you Gary no never crossed my mind and thank you PJ tour get your shit together let's get these freaking leaderboards right it cost my guy a bunch of money. It did cost a little bit of money, but it was still awesome. That place is so special. It's going to be different without crowds and obviously being in June this year. I looked at the weather. It's going to be pretty warm in the high 80s, but like no wind, five to 10 miles an hour all day, which that's the defense around that place. So it'll be interesting to see if these guys

really tear it up because I imagine the greens will probably be a little softer in June with the, with the warmer temperatures. But man, just such a special place. You know, most of the guys rent houses all around the island there. And it's just, it's cool. Huge crowds, which, Now there won't be any. It looks like one of the more fun tournaments to play because typically it's right after the Masters and everybody's kind of like, all right, first majors over. Like the intensity, I'm going to want to say that it's not intense, but it's like a little bit of a, you know, like step down from the Masters and everyone seems to just have a good time

out there. Yeah, I just think it's just such a great vibe. Everyone looks forward to it so much. And so everyone's in a good mood when they show up. I mean, if you're grumpy playing Harbortown golf links, you got issues. Yeah. Figure out. It's, it's a great week and obviously very special to me.

And one, I always look forward to watching in an incredible feel. All top five in the world are in the field once again. Yep. Star-studded event, so it's going to be a lot of fun. Yep, and we will be doing our picking for that right after our interview coming up, which we'll get to right now. And legend, that word gets thrown around a little too much, but this dude, every sense of the word, is a legend.

Mr. Jim McMahon, former quarterback for the 85 Bears, one of the teams that gets brought up in the conversation for best NFL team of all time, along with the 72 Dolphins. But this one was a really fun one, man. He was, told some unbelievable NFL stories, some great golf stories. which happens with a lot of our... Something happened to him that happened to a lot of our guests.

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but it all started off at BYU for you. So we had an unbelievable career there. But before you decided to go to BYU, was there anywhere else you were looking to go? Anywhere. Anywhere. I went back to Nebraska, Oklahoma State, a few other big schools back in the day.

But my main focus when I was going to college was to play baseball. I really didn't. I love the game of baseball. I still do. that's what I wanted to be was a baseball player. So the only two schools that said I could play both sports was Nevada, Las Vegas and BYU. And Vegas happened to be my last recruiting trip.

And I came home from Vegas. I said, Pops, I'm going to Vegas. I had such a good time. And I was offered quite a bit of stuff. And he says, no, it's not a big enough school. I said, Pops, listen to me. They just offered me a house, car, money, easy job at a casino. You know, I like it have been Steve Wend, you know, who knows?

Or dead from strippers probably. Yeah. But he said no, and that's how he ended up at BYU. Oh, my gosh. Sounds like SMU. Yeah. I was doing some research. I knew you had a massive year that junior year.

I didn't realize, like, the statistics that you had. You had 4,57 yards passing, 47 touchdowns. You set 32 NCAA records that year, and yet somehow finished fifth in Heisman voting. How in this shit? In this day and age, that's a runaway landslide. Heisman victory. How in the shit do you finish fifth in the Heisman voting that year? Like that's a... BYU, you know, they don't get a lot of national press coverage. That's why. You know, we play

our games in the evenings or Saturday night. So they don't get any press coverage back in New York usually. But yeah, I was the first guy to throw for over 4,000 yards. And I missed, if you add up the time that I played, I missed about three games. My next question. had I played those three games, I would have been well over 5,000 yards and over 50 touchdown. But yeah, I didn't get a whole lot of luck. But your numbers were incredible. Overall, you had 70 NCAA records at BYU.

You still have two, actually at BYU, by the way, if you didn't know that. Really? Yeah, I didn't know that. But you went on to be drafted fifth overall by the Chicago Bears. So you're going to a program with Mike Dicca, who's obviously defense first, run the ball first, and you're a guy that likes to air it out. was that something you're kind of like I don't know how this is going to work or was it just like hey let's see if I can change his mind

and start throwing the ball a little more well I was very surprised to end up in Chicago to begin with because all indications were that I was going to Baltimore Colts they were dropping right before the Bears and I'd been I'd done all the what they call them workouts and all that kind of stuff

I had dinner or dinner with Johnny United at his restaurant in Baltimore he was telling me I was going to enjoy the city and this and that. But at the time, my agent also had a running back from Baltimore. I think it was Curtis Dickey, that name rings. Sounds familiar. And they were having trouble signing Curtis. So my agent told them, don't even bother drafting me because he'll never sign me.

And so on draft day, I was like, wow, Baltimore passed. I didn't even know who was picking next. It was Chicago. And so that's how I ended up there. Well, you're one of the, you're obviously playing for one of the greatest football teams ever, the 85 Bears. What was it like in Chicago during those times being,

obviously, the quarterback for the Bears, walking around the great city of Chicago? I mean, he had to be just an absolute rock star around there. Yeah, the city always treated me well. I enjoyed it. I lived there for 28 years. All my kids were born and raised there. Great city, great fans, very knowledgeable fans.

You know, you don't have to win there. That's what's great about it. You know, if you play hard, they'll love you. And they know who plays hard and who doesn't. But if you play hard and win, hell, they'll love you forever. And that's, you know, it's been 35 years, and they're still talking about us. Well, you did play hard, and you had a, you,

because of the way you played, you had some injuries throughout your NFL career. What do you think of the new rules in the NFL where, like, everything is designed around protecting the quarterback? Quarterback can't get hit. Anything below the knee. It's a penalty. Anything up high, that's a penalty.

You can only hit it basically right here. What do you think of that? It's a joke. I'd hate to be a defensive player. I mean, where do you hit anybody nowadays? Yeah, it's changed quite a bit. Because back then they could take two, sometimes three steps and still drill you after you release the ball. Yeah, you always had to have your head on a swivel.

Or like Charles Martin did and just wait about three minutes. Wait about four or five minutes. and then just body slam? Yeah, that was pretty interesting. In fact, that was the start of all my problems with my head now because when he slammed me, the first thing to hit the ground was the top of my head. And so it compressed my C1 and two.

It actually twisted them in the opposite direction. So I'm having trouble with my spinal fluid flowing properly from that. And also, I had a broken neck at some point in my career. I pretty much know what had happened. but so that's another blockage area. Six and seven are cracked and compressed. Was that hit the Charles Martin? Was that the one that did it or was it a different time?

That was what did the C1 and two twisted those. But I remember I was playing for the Vikings playing in New York in the playoffs. And my legs went numb twice during the game. So I figured it was during that game. And no one ever, no team, the Vikings never like diagnosed said, hey, Jim, I think you have a broken neck. We didn't, well, we lost the game so the season is over, right? So all you do, you get back home, going to the facilities, you know, talk to the coach.

So, hey, you're feeling okay? I said, well, I guess. So I went home, never worried about it. I didn't realize I had a broken neck until I was doing the workman's comp probably 10, 12 years ago. They did all the x-rays and everything, and they said, oh, when did you break your neck? I said, oh, I didn't know I had a broken neck. Never. I said I know when it happened because my legs went on.

So I'm pretty lucky just to be still upright. How do you think your, if at all, how do you think your NFL career plays out differently if you played under the modern rules right now with the non-hitting of the quarterback being allowed? I'd still get hit because I'd take off sometimes. Yeah, you were head first guy. I wasn't, I saw an opening I took off. I'd much rather throw the ball for sure. I didn't waste any opportunities if I could take off and run.

But it's easier now for quarterback. Oh, yeah. I would love to play now. I mean, that's all we did in college. You get to throw it pretty much every down. That's what I love about Andy Reed, you know, what they're doing in Kansas City. You got to love old offensive linemen that love to throw the football. Andy was my tackle in college.

I've known him forever. Oh, really? I didn't know. You was at, BYU? He's doing okay now. He's doing great now. God, he's designed offense. He's been a great coach for years,

and now to finally get a Super Bowl. I didn't know that. So I was going to ask, if you could pick one coach to play for, obviously Dicka was run the ball in defense, would Andy Reed maybe be the guy? Oh, yeah. What about back in your era?

Who was a coach that you would have played for? Well, I got to play for Mike Holmgren. I thought he was, I played for seven coaches, and I thought Holmgren was the best of all those, all those teams. I played for Belichick in Cleveland in 95 I don't have any respect for him He's a

How come? He's a lying piece of shit for one When I was there At the end of training camp He calls me in He said look we have to release you Because we got so many guys hurt We need roster spots

He goes but I really need you here I said what are you talking about All they had was testaverti And they had just drafted a rookie He goes, if Benny gets hurt, I need you. I said, well, look, Bill. I said, if I'm going to be here, I have to move my family. I have to find the hockey team for my sons.

I mean, there's a lot of stuff I got to do. And he goes, no, we're going to take care of you. I said, well, what do you mean, take care of me? He said, we're going to pay you to sit out. So I'm like, I call my attorney. I said, can I trust this guy? He just said, they're going to pay me to sit out. He says, probably only give you one or two weeks.

So my attorney said, you know, take him at his word. So I ended up, I found a house, moved my family, found a hockey team for my sons. And then the first week goes by, I called in on Friday for my check. And they gave me the runaround, right? So I'm thinking, all right, first week, jitters, whatever. So the second week, I called again on Friday. Give me the run around again. Seven weeks, I'm doing nothing in Cleveland, working out at the local Gold's gym, playing a lot of Firestone.

That was nice. But, yeah, seven weeks I did nothing. And I'm like, why the hell did I trust this guy? And they finally signed me back. So I addressed the next three games. So eight, nine, and ten, I dress, I get my checks. So they still owe me seven checks. So we're playing, we happen to be playing the Packers on week 10.

And Andy Reed was on the staff at the time. So he's in his packer gear. I'm in my Cleveland Brown stuff. But we're playing catch on the 50-yard line pregame. And he said, oh, you should. should have came here this year, Mac, we got a good squad. I said, I know, man. I messed up because I hated here.

I hate that little prick over there. I was pointing at Belichick. And he goes, what's going on? I said, just don't be, I said, check the waiver wire in the next couple weeks. You might be surprised. So the very next day, I'm in the QB meeting. We're watching the game film. I get up to go to the restroom.

And here comes the little GM that was giving me the run around the last 10 weeks, right? I corner him. I said, look, Mike, I need the money. I said, my wife just got in the wreck. I don't want to deal with insurance. I said, I need my cash. And he looks at me like smart-assing. He goes, well, maybe we'll pay you, maybe we won't. And I snapped on him. I just grabbed him by his throat. And I started banging his head on the wall.

I go, you little bastard, you're going to pay me my money. And then I realized what I was doing, right? And I said, oh, I looked around. There was no, you know, no cameras anywhere. So I whacked his ass again. And he slides down the wall. I walked right in the training room called my attorney. I said, you better get me cut right now.

I'm going to kill this guy. He goes, what happened? I said, get me cut right now. So he called me back within two minutes. He said, okay, they'll release you if that's what you want. He said, perfect. So now I walk back into the QB meeting. All this happened within 10 minutes.

And I just said, hey, boys, I'll see y'all later. They look at me, what? Where are you going? And the QB coached, hey, have you talked to Bill? And I said, you can tell Bill to kiss my ass that lying piece of shit I'm out of here so I was gone the next day I was in Green Bay yeah finished the year with them we ended up losing the NFC championship game that year I came back for one more year and we end up winning it so that was my

wow holy shit I did not know that sir have you talked to Bill Belichick since that ever you wouldn't want to if you ran into him in the street would you say anything to him no that's wow dude but he did that they did a lot of deals like that under the table because of the salary cap and stuff and a lot of guys got host because they trusted them. So I'm guessing you never got your money. Nope.

Well, I've heard from a good source you had a little run in with another coach when you were in Philly. And so I was told to ask the story about you and coach Rick Kotite and a fire extinguisher. Hmm. I don't know.

Can you tell that story? I don't remember the fire extinguisher I remember. I remember we used to, during camp, We knew the coaches were gone. And I had a master key to the whole dorms. I'd go in and out anybody's room that I want it.

So I visited Richie's, I visited Richie's room a couple of nights and left it in disarray. Well, the story really great told me was you got a fire extinguisher and just sprayed his entire room, his clothes and everything. And he walks in, all of a sudden they hear the coach, you go, what the fuck just happened in here?

And you just dusted it with a fire extinguisher with the whole thing. I probably did. That was your boy, Roy Green. I did. I did mess it up. Plead the fifth right now. I love that.

That is fantastic. Richie, I remember that because Richie came to my room the next morning. And he walks in, he goes, you stay to f*** out of my room. I said, okay, coach. I didn't know it was yours. Oh, that's incredible. Oh, my God. That is so good.

We got to go back to the 85 Bears because there's so many great personalities that around that team you you got refrigerator you know perry you got uh walter peyton steve mcmichael who's a guy that was awesome revered in that town and from whatever i've read you've got you guys all like to party together what was that like team camaraderie right because i wanted to tell a story i've been told that you guys would used to you used to play on sundays win go out the next night and they had and dick it would say hey you got to be on monday for film or whatever it was and you guys would go so hard that you would just drive to the facility and sleep in your cars or sleep in the facility because there's no way I'm waking up tomorrow true or not that happened yeah more than

once does that cool like that's unique I feel like nowadays like that probably doesn't happen but how close you guys were no I mean every I used to go out with our offensive linemen every Thursday night and we'd pick that night to go out and have dinner and who's ever turned it was to buy they they would pick the restaurant and they you know we'd all after practice we'd show up and it started out was just me and my lineman and by the end of the year It was we had running backs, we had receivers, we had some defensive guys come because they'd heard how much fun we were having on Thursday nights And I think Dick had caught one of it too Fridays became our live scrimmage days

Go-line and short yard is day and everything all our practices were live. We always had pads on and we're we're hitting for three straight hours and it would take it take that long to get through practice because there was always fights and And defensive guys would be yelling to buddy, hey, buddy, they're cutting us. And buddy'd say, well, do they cut you in the game? Yeah, deal with it. That was the mentality. And he didn't want to give up anything on his defense. And Dick had wanted to, you know, Dick would yell, hey, do this, do this.

And she was like, no. It was a very strange dynamic because basically we had two head coaches. Defense coach was their head coach and Dicka was our head coach. And there was fights all the time. It's crazy. I mean, we won in spite of them, not because of them, I think. We had great players. We had, we were a young football team.

That defense was, it was new around the league. They couldn't figure out how to block the 46. And with the guys plugged into that defense, it was mayhem at some time. I mean, they couldn't block these guys. So it was, it was fun though. We had a, I was there for seven years, I had a blast. Yeah.

Great teammates. The city, the city's awesome. Well, now it's, I think they're letting it go to waste right now. But, yeah, it's a great town. It's just unfortunate what's going on right now. And the only game y'all lost that year was at Miami, which not only in the NFL, but you see it in the NBA too. A lot of great teams go into the city of Miami on the road and lose. And a lot of the buzz around is like, because of the nightlife in Miami.

Miami, right? There's a lot of things to do down there, pretty fun little town. You guys lost the only game at Miami. Great Miami team, by the way. But did that loss have anything to do with, hey, there's a lot of stuff to do Miami not that bad of a place to hang out on a Saturday night? I think, well, they were, they had the offense that could, you know, exploit our defense. You know, they got, you know, Danny got rid of the ball quickly. I was told the night before the game I wasn't playing. I had practiced. I missed Wednesday's practice. I'd spray my ankle the week before. I missed one day of practice. I practiced Thursday, Friday, Saturday. We got on a playing Sunday. So we're doing our little walk through Sunday night in the stadium.

And he tells me, oh, you're not playing tomorrow night. And I'm like, why? Because, oh, you miss Wednesday's practice. So I'm thinking like you, I'm thinking, hey, Miami, could have some fun. Could be worse. I'm not going to play. I said, okay, fine, cool. I'm not going to worry about it.

So I had a good time. And then during the game, earlier in the year, we played Minnesota up in Minnesota. It's a Thursday night game, right? And another one, I was in traction a couple days in the hospital. He said I was going to play, and I chewed his ear off to get in the game. And then so this time, he says, you're not playing. He said, we're not going to have another Minnesota night. I'm like, why not?

That worked out pretty damn good. Remember that. So I just said, you know what the hell with you? Fine. I'm not going to play. So I wasn't into the game at all. The only thing I was worried about was Walter Payton was going for his 10th or 11th, 100-yard game in a row, which is going to be an NFL record.

So I was just trying to keep track of his yards, right? And we got down early, you know, just a couple touchdowns early. So Dicka panic started throwing the ball. We don't have a throwing offense. right? I said, hey, you've got to give the ball to Walter because they had the worst rush defense in the league that year. He could have probably ran three or four hundred yards if they gave him the football. So about six minutes to go in the game, we're down 14 points and he decides to put me in. In Minnesota, I was right in his ear the whole time. This time,

I was like as far away as I can get from him. And he walks me down and he goes, all right, you're in. And I thought, oh, you told me I wasn't playing. He goes, get your ass in the game, Right. So he sends me in with a pass play. And I'd figure it at the time Walter had about 70, 75 yards rushing. So I come in the huddle, I said, look, boys. I said, this game doesn't mean shit. I said, we're already in the playoffs.

We have home field advantage. I said, we're down 14 points. Who cares if we lose this game? I said, let's get this guy the record he deserves. And they all went. Cool. Wow. So as I'm getting up to the ball,

Dick and knows I didn't call the pass. I looked over at him. He's M-Evving me up and down the sideline. And at this time, you know, they're dropping eight guys and rushing three. So he busts up there for probably 15 yards. I didn't realize we had a timeout left. So he burns the time out. I got to go talk to him now.

And he's just screaming up and down. And I said, hey, look, nothing in our offense gets us that many yards, or pass offense, right? I said, look, they're dropping eight guys. I said, now Walter only needs probably 10 yards for his record. And he had no clue what I was talking about because he was so pissed off at me. And it finally clicked in. He goes, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, we're going to get him his record.

But first, we're going to do this. Gives me another pass. So I get in the huddle. I said, boy, is this shit, you're really going to hit the fan now, but we're going to run this little bitch again. And they went, yeah, they're all laughing as we go up to the line of scrimmers. I looked over at Mike again, and he throws this clipboard. now he tries to throw his headset

and was stuck to his side so he just kind of bounced back and whacked him I gave it to Wally he busted up there for another 10 or 15 I said all right now let's try to win a game that is hilarious how was that talk after the game I mean he obviously got he got the record

yeah he did get his record he was appreciative he didn't say much to me no what a quarterback though would be like hey who gives the shit we got home field advantage let's get our boy the record right now that's really cool

Is it true? The Super Bowl shuffle got a ton of publicity. Still does to this day. Was that recorded? I've read that that was recorded the day after that game at Miami. True? Yeah. Whose idea was that?

It was Willie Galt had a friend on the music business, and they came to us. It was like right after, right during Halloween or Thanksgiving. And they said, look, we want to make a record. This is how they came to us. we're going to make a record. And the proceeds are going to go to feed the homeless for Thanksgiving and Christmas.

So we said, yeah, that sounds like a pretty good idea. So they got four or five of us to go to a studio and do our part. About a week or two later, they came back and said, all right, now you guys got to do a video. And we're like, no, I'm not doing a video. I said, you told us we're going to do a record. We did the record. We're done. He said, no, no, you got to do a video.

Everybody does a video now. And I said, well, I'm not doing it. And then we found out they're going to tape it the next morning after we get back from Miami. We got back probably three or four in the morning from Miami. And these guys had to be at the studio like at eight or nine. And they were there for, I think, eight hours, nine hours. Oh, my God. And I'm like, Walter and I didn't go.

And so probably three or four days later, Willie came to us at practice and he says, hey, man, you guys don't do your part. We're going to have to sue you. So we're like, are you kidding me? I guess the small print it said something. Oh. And so what you see there is Walter and I did our parts after practice one day in the racquetball court at Hallis Hall. They just green screen or blue screen, what do they do?

So what you saw was the one pissed off white man doing whatever the hell I was doing. I had no idea about that. How can you get sued for some shit you just do voluntarily? I don't know, but maybe legal is or weird. Did you write your, did each player write their own lyric? Or was that written for you guys? Like, did you write your verse? No, it was written.

I mean, it was, I think I changed a few things, but it was, I figured this about as far as I'm going to go with this. Do you still remember your lyrics? Some of them. You don't got to say them? No, man. If you don't want to see them. No. I didn't want to do it then.

I ain't going to do it now. That is awesome. Oh, my God. How much shit does that team get for recording the Super Bowl shuffle if they don't, if you guys don't end up winning the Super Bowl by a million like you did. Ah, we'd look kind of foolish. Yeah. I mean, that's how confident you are, though, that you go record something like that.

I mean, we had a good shot to win in 84 as well. Yeah. We had a good football team. We were, I think we were seven and two. When I got hurt, I tore the bottom part of my kidney off in a game. And we ended up, we finished 10 and 6 that year and went to the NFC championship game. lost to the Niners. So we knew we had a good football team.

So coming in at 85, that was our goal. We said, you know, we're not losing. We're going to get to the Super Bowl and win it. And we did. And then, you know, the following year, we come in, we finished 14 and 2. We had the best record in the league. Had home field advantage again throughout the playoffs

and losing home, first round. And then the year after that, 87. Same thing. We had the home field advantage. We losing the first round at home. In 1988, we ended up losing the NFC championship game at home. So it was, we didn't really have a home field advantage, it seemed like. I guess we thought when guys would come in there in January and it's 30, 40 below zero, they'd fold up, but they didn't fold up. They didn't fold up. At the end of your career, you go to Green Bay and you back up Brett Fav and you win another Super Bowl in New Orleans.

What was it like being around Brett Farr, obviously he was probably the most dominant quarterback in the game at that time? What was it like backing him up? Yeah, Far, he was fun. I mean, Brett's a tough kid, man, loves to play the game. You know, you still see him on the commercials

out there on the field, throwing the ball. So he was a lot of fun to be around. He was a tough kid, like I said, just love to play. Did you see any of you in him? A little bit, yeah. Yeah, he was. Got both like to run around

He was, he was stubborn. It would happen pretty much every week. He would just do something. He'd hit the free safety in the chest with the ball for no reason. And Holmgren would always look at me and go, why do you do that? Shit, dude, I've only been here for a year. You've been here for four. But yeah, he was a lot of fun to play.

That was a good football team as well. I got to play with Reggie White again, who I played with in Philadelphia. It was good to see him finally get a Super Bowl ring. He deserved one. He was a hell of a player. Did you teach Brett Far of the cover? There's a story like you taught Brett Far of the cover two. Like where the cover two is.

Like they were in tape and he's like, what's a cover two? I don't know what. Sometimes I would do the same thing at HomeGriott. And I said, why would he do that? You know, he'd come off the field and I go, I go, what was that all about? He goes, well, the strong safety came up. I said, well, where'd the way safety go?

I don't know. I go, you just hit him in the chest. I mean, just because some guy that comes up, they try not to leave the middle of field open, you know, because you give a receiver that much room, you can't cover those guys. Yeah, but that would happen, you know, once a week or once again. Take the good with the bat.

Yeah. That's funny. Do you get back to Chicago ever? Yeah, I'm back there quite a bit. Probably three, four, five times a year. What's it like when you're back there? Are you revered? I mean, you are one of the icons?

iconic Chicago athletes of all time, like most liked, you know. I still have a lot of great friends there. I haven't bought a beer there for quite a while. It's a good deal. Yeah, it's a good deal. I love, you know, I love free stuff, especially beer. Free beer is good beer. Free beer is the best beer.

That's true, but since this is a golf show, we should talk a little bit about your golf game. First off, how did you get into the game? How did you even pick the game of golf up? Actually, I started, I think it was my last year in college. over the summer BYU got me a job at a farm and I'd never been on a farm before

so the first day I go to work and the I guess the farmer the guy owned the place I don't know he says okay go in there and clean out the barn and I looked around I go which one's the barn

because everything was red right I don't know which where the barn is it was right there I said okay I walked in there and it was a dead or a goat or a sheep or something. There's dead. They had his slit his throat for whatever they did. And I come running out and I said, hey, dude, there's a dead animal in there. He said, I know, we killed it last night.

It was giving birth. We had to get rid of it. I said, well, I'm not touching that damn thing. He goes, oh, you don't want to do that? I said, no. He goes, come with me. He gives me a post hole digger. And I start digging holes.

And I dug about two holes. And I said, looked at him. I said, dude, this farm and stuff ate for me. I left, never went back. And so my roommate was working at a golf course. He grew up playing golf and loves the game. So I would say, hey, I'll come see you today at the golf course. And I would just play.

It was a little nine-hole track. It was right across the street from the Osmond Studios in Provo, Utah. And I would just play all day long, just up and down this golf course. That's how I got started in it. and just kept going and just loved the game. I actually took that guy to Augusta one year. He's the guy that taught me to play. And we went over to Ireland and Scotland together too.

So, yeah, he still comes around. He's out here quite a bit. We get to play. So it's been fun. And you're known for playing without shoes on. That's like your big thing, right? Everybody knows you do that. And that makes sense to me because you play a ton of celebrity events.

You're all over the country. And that makes sense in like Tahoe. You hit it in the rough. Cool. You walk over there and hit your ball out of the rough and the trees or you're in the other hole. What happens in Arizona, because this is desert. You missed a fairway in Arizona.

You're in the desert. There's cactus, swarrow. Are you going in there and hitting your ball out of the desert? No, I keep my flip-flops available. Oh, okay. If I got to hit a shot in that, I'll put these on for one. Okay. Yeah, I don't find, I never like shoes.

I don't know if you see my ankle. This ankle has been busted a few times, and my feet, they don't fit in shoes really good. And my right foot is probably half a size to a size. size smaller than my left one. So I can't get choose to fit. And I just, I'd rather be barefoot anyway. And it just feels good.

You know, golf's about balance, right? It's not about gripping in and digging in with your feet. It's about balance. And I've always felt better with, without them. So if you're in the desert, flip-flops are relatable to get in there. The cart pass gets a little hot, you know, you step out of your cart. Yeah, it's hotter and shit out there. It sounds like bacon frying sometimes when I get out there.

My feet starts bubbling. Well, you've played 30 times at the American Century Celebrity Tournament up in Tahoe, one of the great events of the year. You have any good stories from playing in there? I mean, I'm sure you have tons. I don't know how many you can tell. Does Jim have good stories? We would love to hear some Lake Tahoe stories. Who watches a podcast?

A bunch of men. Nobody, no. Okay, good. It's fine. Nobody's listening. Oh, after, yeah, 30 years, I've done pretty much everything up there. But a couple stories of states. stand out, I was playing, I think it was my 10th year there. And the guy we were just talking about,

he was caddying for me at the time. He said, look, let's try something different this year. Let's maybe get a little sleep, maybe get up and hit some balls, have some breakfast, and don't drink. I said, okay, well, you know, 10th year, we'll try something different. So I get up, I get eight hours sleep, get up, eat breakfast, go out. Go out. And I go out. I'm to the range hit balls i never hit ball i hate hitting balls i hit balls i go out there i fire a smooth 88 and i told them i said dude now we do it my way and the rest of the day we stayed up hammering drinks i probably got two or three hours sleep i get to the course he goes you're going to hit balls i said no you're going to eat i look over in the tent there there i see a guy drinking a bloody

mary i said hey is that any good he goes i oh, it's a double, it's great, and I tasted it. I'm like, wow, that is good. He goes, I'm bringing some out on the course. He brings me 11 doubles on the course that day. Just 11. And so, I don't even remember him doing it, but I guess my caddy took my drink away on 16

because I was walking down the fairway. But we get to the 18th hole, or our 18th hole was number 9 because we had to play so well we had to start on the back. So on number 9, it was. Tahoe, the old number nine. You know, it's just a little T-box area. And then you've got some fans here. And then there's really nowhere to go, right?

So I'm sitting there. I'm playing with Vinnie Belnegro, local guy here. And William DeBain, the actor. And so Vinny's over his ball and he's wagging. And it got to be worse than Sergio at sometimes. It was just like, whoa, is he ever going to swing? And I'm sitting there going, I know that feeling.

Yeah, so I start inching my way towards the back of the T, right? I'm getting away from everybody. Get as far away as I can. I'm probably 10, 15 yards from where he's, and he's still waggling. And I just go, whee-ah! And I just jet puke. Jet-pug. I turn around, and everybody's still watching Vinny Waggle.

They didn't even hear it. It was such a good hurl. So then I gave him another one. So anyway, Vinny finally. he hits his ball now we're walking up the fairway i catch up and i say hey dude i'm sorry he goes what i said i was just back there hurling i didn't know if you heard me or not he goes no you're fine i said okay cool i double bogeyed that hole to shoot 72 wow that's it yeah my buddy says i don't know how the hell you do it but it works we're drinking again tomorrow i said you're damn right we yeah

every day yeah that is like 10 cup who are the guys you like to hang out with in tahoe like to have a good time up there. Who's your, who's your group? Oh boy. Well, J.R. is one for sure. I usually see him in the high roller room. Lately, I've been taking an RV up there and just camping it out. Camping out behind the, actually where they have the outdoor concerts. And a couple of years, they actually fenced us in. It was David Wells, myself, Brett Saber Hagan. There was a couple of other RVs that we kind of have our own little camp in there. And so every, time we get done playing we end up sitting out at the RV most of the night some guys go and gamble and stuff like that but I'm not a big gambler so I just sit out there and just have a

good time that's awesome double the last shoot 72 is that the most fun celebrity event you play tons you play like 20 something celebrity events typically is that the best one I was going to tell you another towel story this is one everybody wants me to tell all the time since it's a bunch of dudes watching this yeah I think they'll appreciate it So we're playing, it's Sunday afternoon, and I usually get there on Monday, right? I play the program on Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday. So I play six straight days. And for some reason, I had white pants on for the day.

So we're on 16. I'm waiting to hit my second shot. It's a par five. And I got a pee really bad. So I go to the right side of the fairway behind a big redwood tree. And I'm just, I'm halfway through, just going, Oh, man, it's been a hell of a week. Can't wait to get over with.

And all of a sudden there, something went, bloop. I went, oh, God. And I looked down, and it was like, you've got to be kidding me. It was like, you opened the beer tap for a second. This beer just shot out of my ass. And my son is caddying for me. So I get them right down on the ankles right away. And I lean around the tree, and I go, hey, Sean, bring me the towel, buddy.

He's like, what, Dad? I said, bring me the towel, son, hurry up. He's like, Dad, why? I said, bring me the fucking towel right now. So now I was playing with Joe Sackick, the hockey guy, and Marshall Falk, right? And all they could see is like my bare ass from the fairway. They're laying down, they're laughing. So, you know, Sean comes around the tree.

He's like, oh, that's nasty. I said, yeah, I know. I tried to freshen up. And literally, it's like a two-inch streak. all the way down to my ankle, right? And it was one of those beer fart. It's nasty. So anyway, I hadn't made a double boge in three days, right?

So I got my second shot. I dead shank it. End up making double on 16. So I'm like, I was pissed anyway. So now they got Jimmy Roberts on the T-box at NBC on 17, right? Yeah, of course. So I'm walking across the T-box. He goes, hey, Mac, how are you playing?

except Mike in my face. I didn't even slow down. I just turned and went, I was good until I just shit my pants back there. They had to go to commercial. They were laughing so hard. That is fantastic. I walked right over to the lake.

I pushed two boats apart. These people on the boat going, what are you doing? I'm sitting in the water like this. I said, just trying to freshen up a little bit. Of course you were a white pants. I finished par par, which was good for me. My daughter was taking pictures.

She showed everybody in the clubhouse. Oh, look at my dad. just shit his pants. Here's my daddy. But it wasn't like I was trying to, you know, squeeze a fart around that turdering. It just went, boom.

I love the description. Yes. Only on the day you wear white pants, too. Of course. Have you worn white pants since? Could have been wearing some black slacks. No white pants. If I do,

I have to have underwear. I usually don't wear underwear. So that was a fun fact about Jim McBand. Yeah, you got to stay free. No shoes, no underwear. Yeah. Yeah.

Oh, yes. God damn. I love these. That's so good. Yeah. Get you another one. Fantastic. Get you another.

Well, Salis, should we get to the emergency nine? Yeah, let's go E9 on them. So we do this with every guest, Jim. Nine fun questions. You should get to know you a little better, which we got to know you very well. I think you got pretty damn well at this point. That is true. We'll start us off, Sleaze.

We asked this question to everybody. All right. When was the last time you had to try to squeeze a fart around a shit? No, I'm kidding. No, all right, I'm kidding. All right, this question we ask everybody, but there's a movie being made on the life of Jim McMahon. Who do you want to play you? Which actor?

Yeah, I could do it. I could play myself. You could play you, all right? I've done this. I've done TV. Who'd you have in mine? I had Val Kilmer, but young Val Kilmer like Iceman Val Kilmer. He's a good-looking dude, had a bunch of swag, just like you.

I couldn't come up with anything. I came up with a young John Malkovich. I would have said Matthew McConaughey, maybe. Oh, I like that. Good-looking cat. You got a good-looking dude with some juice, you know. All right, that makes sense. All right, that's our first one.

Yeah. So you had a couple of nicknames back in the day when you wore the visor. Darth Vader, black sunshine. Which one you like better? Probably Darth Vader. Yeah. Scary. I don't know.

I kind of like that black sunshine. Black sunshine? Well, I'll probably get in trouble for that now. Yeah, you can't say that anymore. That's fair. Number three before we get in trouble. Yeah, yeah. We're not a political podcast.

All right, here we go. Name the one current quarterback you've seen that most reminds you of yourself. Mahomes. That's a good one. MVP. Super Bowl champ? Because I think he's very bright, for one. But he throws the ball from all different angles.

I mean, he's very athletic. And, yeah, I would pick him. Yeah, like how good is it? I used to be athletic until I got too many knee surgeries or shoulder surgeries. You still look like a you whoops some ass right now. You think Mahomes will go down as one of the best to ever play? Well, the way things are going. Yeah.

He's going to have to, you know, win a few more Super Bowls. It's going to be tough to catch up to Brady, but he's a hell of a player. If he stays healthy, I mean, what amazed me is, was it a year or two ago when his knee cap popped off? Oh, it was like sideways. And he was able to come back. He's got some toughness to him, too, so I like him. Came back quick. All right.

Number four, you played with some huge names in Chicago. We mentioned them earlier. The Fridge, Walter Payton, Richard Dent, Singletary. You're known as a big partier of that, say the 85 Barrier. of that say the 85 bears team who could keep up with Jim McMahon off the field Steve McMichael for sure yeah Mongo oh yeah he's a bad man he's still going he's still going that's awesome how do you think is great it came from the the movie Blazing Saddles remember did you ever see Blazing Saddles probably not Jim I'm sorry to

say that I'm dating myself right now Alex Carris was the next defensive of Lyman from the Detroit Lions and he played the character Mongo. And you'll have to check that movie out. Mongo. Good nickname. Y'all had some good nickname. You had fridge. You had

sweetness. You got Darth Vader or Black Lightning. Black sunshine. Black sunshine. Black sunshine. Mongo. You had some, that's an all-nicknamed team right there. All right. That's a good one. All right. Give me one. One rumor you've heard about yourself that is not true. That I called all the women of New Orleans sluts.

Oh, yeah, I read that. Back in the day, I almost got killed over that. That's a problem nowadays. So that was not a Super Bowl that I really don't remember the game much. Because all I was thinking of was, I'm going to get shot. I was getting death threats all week. Wow. You know, guys didn't want to stand by me at practice.

Because we practiced at the old New Orleans Saints facility, which was literally an apartment complex overlooked the field. and so nobody would stand by me I had to wear a different number why would that even come out like how does that even I don't know like made that up and read it up apologized afterwards that I made that up we got in we got into New Orleans on a Monday afternoon I believe it was

and we had no curfew all week ticket said no no you guys are on your own so Monday Tuesday Wednesday we pretty much saw the sun come up and Thursday morning I get woken up oh excuse me by an irate fan screaming and yelling at me like what the hell and I hang the phone back up

a minute two later another call same thing my roommate's going what's going on I said I don't know somebody's pissed off at me for something so I go down to the breakfast and I'm standing in the breakfast line here comes the general manager comes up and says hey you really did it this time that's all he said

he walked away. I'm like, what the hell? Then Dicka finally walks up to me. He says, did you really say that? I said, look, Mike, I don't know what's going on. I said, I got woke up this morning. I said, Jerry's pissed off at me. What did I say?

And he said, well, supposedly you called all the women of New Orleans sluts and the men were stupid. And I said, when did I say this? He goes, didn't you do a radio show this morning at 6 a.m.? I said, no, I got home at 5.30. I wasn't getting on the thing at six. And see, he goes, well, that's the story. Wow.

So this guy just went on the air, said that, had no proof or anything. And I said, you should know better. I'm not getting up at six to do a damn radio show. That should have been the first giveaway. Yeah, exactly. What about the rumor you shit yourself in Tahoe? Confirm. That was true.

Confirmed. Confirmed on the shit yourself. Number six, favorite person you've ever played with it, Tahoe. I'm sure there's a very, it's a very long list. I've been there 31 years. Top couple. Or just the guy you like to get paired with. David Wells and Bodie Miller.

Oh, Booty Miller. Interesting. Good dude. Boatty's the best. Yeah. And those two are a lot of fun. So we have a good time together. But they're playing much better than me, so I don't get to play with them.

Only one day. I played with David Wells. Does Bodie good golfer? Yeah, Bodie can play. Yeah. There's some days, you know, like everybody, we have our good days and mostly bad for me, but I have a few good ones every once in a while. Yeah, that makes sense.

I can see y'all getting along. All right. Chicago Icon played a lot of golf with a lot of people, but who won more money against each other on the golf course? You or Michael Jordan? I did. You got the best of them? Yeah. You're one of the few.

One of the few. Yeah. Well, I think I told the story a couple weeks ago to somebody. We were playing at his place. in Chicago. I think it was a merit club, they call it. And we're playing $100 NASA, a good bet for me. I had little kids at the time, and I was still playing with Chicago. So I wasn't making a lot of money. And I was playing really well and probably had them down two or three bets on the front. And so we make the turn. I tee my ball up on town. I'm getting ready to hit. And he said,

I'll play you this side for a million. And he was dead serious. And I'm like, dude, I would love to, Right now I'm kicking your ass, but something would happen, and I would lose this back nine, and my kids don't go to college. You know, I'll lose my house. I said, no, I'm not gonna bet you a million. You can keep bumping up that hundred if you want. Yeah.

So I ended up taking a little bit of his money that day. But he came over to my house and playing pool. He got a little bit of the money back. He's a pretty good pool player too. He's pretty good at damn everything from what I hear. He just loves to gamble. He just gamble until he starts winning. Double, double, double,

Yeah, he was 100% serious about that million, too. He probably would have done it. That's a week. I mean, what is that? Five days. I don't even know what that is. Yeah, that ain't fair. That's unbelievable.

All right. Number eight, we mentioned earlier the hit Charles Martin put on you, one of the cheapest shots we've ever seen in the history of football. That happens in today's NFL. How many games he's suspended and how much does he find? Because he got two games back then. Oh, he did? He got suspended two games.

Oh, he did? Yeah, I don't. I think he got fined 10 grand. 10 grand and two games. But I got fine five just for wearing a headband. So that doesn't sound right. Yeah, that sucks. That was a rough one.

Yeah. Modern day. So what was the question? Right now, what does he get? What's his suspension? What is his fine? What do you think? I would think he would be suspended for the rest of the year.

Yeah. And then I don't know about a fine. I don't even know. Something big. Yeah, that was one of the worst ever. All right. I'd never seen that hit, by the way. And I YouTubeed it earlier.

That was unbelievable. Yeah. I felt the same way. I mean, you were just standing there. Just walking away and boom. Well, it's crazy. It's the night before I was actually with one of their defensive linemen who had played with in a bowl game back when I was senior in college.

Good guy. And we're having a beer. And he says, hey, watch yourself tomorrow. He goes, our coach has been saying, if you get a shot on him, take it. So just, you know. Wow. So I was, I was, I was trying to be aware of everybody in front of me.

Yeah. I didn't know I was going to get d-b-b from behind. The first time that term has been used on this show, I like it. Four seconds after you let the ball go, it's hard to still be like on your toes. I think you're in the clear. Because I threw a bad pass. I threw it low, low and into the receiver coming in. I see the, I see the cornerback intercept the ball.

So I was, I was like, oh, I kind of just going to let up. Oh. And I was about to just head to the sideline. The next thing I know, I'm, I mean, he, by the time he grabbed me until my head hit the ground, it was like nothing. I was like, whoa. That's crazy. It was like a WD.

That's a major, major suspension in nowadays football on a quarterback. That's game over. Oh, yeah, you can't even hit him legally now. No, exactly. All right. Last question, you get this question a lot. There's a slight twist to it. We got the 85 bears versus 72 dolphins who wins, but in a bar fight.

I know they had some tough guys over there. Mani Fernandez, I remember him, big defensive lineman. I wouldn't. You had some dudes too. Yeah, Mike, I never saw my offensive line lose a fight. And that's the offensive line. And defensively you had McMichael, Dent, Wilbur. Yeah, I'd line up, I'd still line up against anybody, whether we play ball or fight.

That's how you've picked the best team of all time, bar fight. 15-1-16-0 who gives a shit let's let's figure it out at the bar you know what I mean I love it well Jim this has been an absolute pleasure really thank you for joining us today my pleasure guys it's been great absolutely thank you so much man let me know if you need me me back to tell more we need you back I try to get a new story for you for tile this what are you doing tomorrow can you shoot yourself again by tomorrow well thank you more of these yeah I love it thank you all right guys please that was a very very fun interview by an absolute

legend Jim McMahon. Yeah, dude, I really didn't know what to expect going in with Jim. We hadn't really, you know, been around him a whole lot in town. And he opened up, told some incredible stories. I thought it was really interesting because I'd always wonder like, here's a super outspoken guy, kind of beats to his own drum. Why go to BYU? And he told that story. And then basically after he got done with BYU, once he got done winning football games for BYU, they're like, cool, thanks. Beat it. Scram. Get out of here. So what have you done for me lately type of deal? Yeah. Some unreal stories. Crazy. Crazy. Even the story about how he heard his eye with the full. I'm like, oh my God, are you kidding me?

That's why he has to wear sunglasses pretty much everywhere he goes. But he was an absolute fixture up in Lake Tahoe at the celebrity event up there, played 31 straight years, never any shoes on. His story about shit in his pants. Yeah, we got to have one. Pretty standard for a guest on our show. If you've never shit your pants, there's a good chance you're not ever getting invited on subpar. It's a prerec and we need one good shit your pants story and then you're more than welcome. I mean, I was crying.

I was laughing so hard at that story. It's so good. He's unbelievable. Dude, how about the Belichie stuff? That's what I was going to say. The one thing that surprised me the most was I've never heard anybody talk about Bill Belichick that way. Nobody talks about him like that. I don't know if it's because Belichick's never done anything to him like they did to Jim McMahon

or because they're afraid to talk bad about Bill Belichick who's like the, you know, pretty much the guy that they say is the best all-time NFL coach. And he was not quick to, he was not biting his tongue for Bill Belichick. So that was that one I thought was super interesting. I had no idea about that story. I didn't either. And I will have to say that was probably one of the most fun pitchers we've taken on off subpar with the headbands, the sunglasses.

That was awesome. I think he appreciated the homage, the little nod to the gods there that we gave him. He made that cool. He made it what it was, so we had to pay our respects. I love it. Well, I'll be honestly, as we made our picks last week for Colonial, they weren't that great. Correct. And I think we can just use the rust.

Rusts. I mean, our picks were rusty. Some of the golfers were rusty. But producer, Mark, can you give us an update on the standings? Yes. So Rurie's turning on Sunday, falling down the leaderboard, really. cost Drew. He finished up top 32. Drew also had sung J.M. with the top 10. But to counter that top 10, Colt had JT. Postin. So when he was preven, you know, pretty even. Drew, it looks like

you caught up $41,000. Hello. You're only 1.95 million behind. By the way, going into Sunday. How much am I down? One point seven five. Nothing in it. No problem. I'm going to have that made up this week more than likely by the way how about rory just completely shit it dude i got i got sung jay up there doing what sung jay does every single week and then i got rory you miss out on rome rome missed the cut this is my week i'm like all right rory just go ahead and win this thing which after a second round i was like uh here comes the you know the landslide that is roy mackeroy not only does he just not really make a move on sunday he just goes backwards the entire way down the leaderboard

cost me if i got if rory just does what he does finish is like third or something i make a huge See, this is why I think I just have such an advantage in this competition because you're so stuck on the past. Like, dude, you got to let it go. It's time for a new week. It's time to make picks. No, you've learned. This is how you learn, dude. You evaluate the week before.

Rory's dead to me for forever. I will be back to my usual same four guys going this point forward. All right. Well, let's get to it. RBC Heritage at Hilton Head. Let's do it. It's my honor. Well, that's how we'll do it.

First pick goes to guy who ever won the most money last week. So it's like, it's my honor right now. I'm going to go back. I know you picked this man last week. You were really pissed off. about how he did. Missed his first cut in ages. Mr. John Rom, I'm going back to the well.

I think an angry rom is a good rom. I don't see him playing two bad weeks back to back. I'm going John Rom, he's 18 to 1. Okay, good pick, good pick. Hope he performs like he did last week. Yeah. But my favorite is in my mind, the best iron player on the PGA tour,

which I think is the most important stat at Harbortown. Tiny, tiny greens. You've never played there, so you wouldn't have a freaking clue. No, but I would dominate it if I did. 16 to 1, Justin Thomas. Okay. Will be my pick. Okay.

this week. JT. Hard to knock it. Coming off a good week too. Yes. Yeah, pretty solid. Not a great final round, but solid. All right. My next pick, 40 to 1, perfect. Seventh on tour and strokes gained approach and seventh in greens and regulation. Absolute ball striker. If the putter is somewhat warm, I think he should contend around this place. I've told him for years. I think he should tee it up here and he never does, but now he is, Gary Woodland. Okay. Another guy coming off a good week, not the best final round, but another good week. I'm not mad at that pick at all. I'm going back. to the well just like I said I would ride her till she bucks here you don't ride it all just

hit repeat from the week song j M speaking of iron play uh not terrible from mr sung j so if that putter gets going whatsoever he's going to be up there again this week what are his odds this week he's 28 to 1 okay strong pick all right let's go now this is where this is where the rubber meets the road okay all right i'll let you have the honor you want me to go first or i'm going with another guy coming off a good week 14th last week at colonial very good iron player kind of an under the radar guy and a guy we will get on here very soon we've had some conversation about it but mr. Abraham answer ah I had him written down did you tell me you're not picking I did not pick him I had I had four guys left for these two

spots he's 60 to one so I like Abe answer for my first I I really liked him but I did some research and he's missed the cut there the last two years um can't dwell in the past didn't realize can't dwell in the past dude it's a new day he didn't finish 14th the week before the other two years all right I'm gonna go with a man when I think of harbortown I just think of this guy like I at some point he's going to put the top of the top of the time he's going to put the cart and jacket on. There's just no doubt in my mind. He's lost in the playoff here before. Just a bulldog really just keeps it in front of him. Great ball striker, great putter, Kevin Kisner. Okay. See, at 66 to 1. This is how well I know you. I have Mr. Kevin Kisner

written down right here. Knowing that you were going to pick him, I threw an alternate in here. Oh, whoa. Whoa. I could not have any, no, I've not made my official pick yet. It's like NFL draft. They go up there with multiple guys. So I did not pick Kevin Kisner because I knew you would take him. I cannot take ties at this point right now. So I'm audibling into another great iron player man that was playing some damn good golf before all this craziness happened. Tirohattan, 60 to 1. Okay. My other one on the four that I had written down. Are you going with him? No. Okay. So we're very close to being mind melded on a lot of this stuff. Okay. And two made the list. Uh-huh. The two that didn't were answer and tarotan. Okay. Interesting. Because I had Kisner.

I was like, Colts going to pick kids. Can't take kids. So he's out. All right. So I got Tyrol Hatten. Step on down. This is a, this is a game. Campbell. Okay. This is what we do. This is what I do. This guy, he finished 41st at Hilton Head last year. He finished third the year before. He actually won last week on the corn fairy tour. Mr. Luke List, who I think just hits these seeds with that two iron off the T out there and is a fantastic iron player. One of the ones in regulations. He's another guy like Gary Woodland. If the putter's hot, he can contend. And I think last week was a huge step for him. And I look for him to play well this week. One of two guys coming into this week. Coming off a dub. All right.

Confidence. Let's recap. Some weird things. Justin Thomas, Gary Woodland, Kevin Kisner, Luke List. All right. Team Slees. John Rom, Sung Jay, Abe Answer, Tirohattan. All right. Well, everybody. Come on, boys. Everybody, let's fucking go. It's time to go. Everybody enjoy the RBC Heritage, and we'll talk to you on next week's golf subpar.