Subpar - Joe Buck discusses what we can expect from ESPN Jeopardy!, Johnny Miller's criticism of his golf coverage and his incredible first hole in one story

Episode Date: June 2, 2026

On this week's episode of Subpar, Colt Knost and Drew Stoltz are joined by Emmy-winning sports broadcaster Joe Buck. The host of ESPN Jeopardy! reveals what we can expect from the new show, the lessons he took away from Johnny Miller's criticism of his golf coverage and how intimidating it can be to cover the Super Bowl. --Trade real-world events on Kalshi — a federally regulated prediction market — and get $20 when you trade $20 at ⁠⁠Kalshi.com⁠ with code SUBPAR.--Thank you to our partners at Ship Sticks. Go to https://shipsticks.com and use the code SUBPAR20 to enjoy 20% off your first shipment.--We’ve teamed up with Shady Rays to bring you an exclusive offer. Head to shadyrays.com and use code: SUBPAR for 50% OFF 2+ pairs of polarized sunglasses. Try for yourself the shades rated 5 stars by over 300,000 people.--Rhoback’s new USA Collection, ultra-light Looper Shorts, and surprisingly elite Medley Swim Trunks are our go-to summer staples on and off the course — use code SUB for 20% off your first order at Rhoback.com--The world’s best golfers — including Nelly Korda, Lydia Ko, and Charley Hull — tee it up at the U.S. Women's Open at The Riviera Country Club June 4–7 on NBC, USA Network, and Peacock, with tickets available now at uswomensopen.com/tickets

All right, everybody. Welcome back to subpar with Colt Nost and Drew Stoltz. The Texas swing is over. The Charles Schwab Challenge, the house that Sleeves built at Colonial Country Club. Russell Henley, what a performance on the back nine from him. A little 31 on the back, including birdies at 16, 17, and 18 that got him into a playoff with Eric Cole. And all he did was just followed up with another birdie on the first playoff hole to pick up his sixth PGA tour win and surpass 50 mil in career earnings. Good run.

Good run. I asked you this on radio, and you actually had a good guess, because obviously it's going to be something stupid, because I said, where do you think Russell ranks on the PJ Tour career money list? And you guessed 20. He's actually 17, which is pretty wild. 17.

I mean, it's going to just keep changing year in, year out. I saw this crazy thing, too, because Joaquin Neiman just won on Liv. Yeah. His live earnings would be top five all time, just since Liv started. He won eight times over there. So, yeah, good run.

Good time to be good at golf, and Henley's doing exactly that. he's like I think we're seeing the best Henley that we've seen maybe since he turned pro like right now like he's the straightest driver on the PJ tours iron game's always been really good putters solid like he doesn't have if you go down and look at his stats there's not one that like stands out like ooh that's not great other than driving distance which is skewed he's like 295 and he's a short he's a hundred and forty-fifth on the PJ tour he's not like short but it's that's the only stat that he's really like outside the top 40 in anything meaningful

I mean, it's just the whole game's well-rounded. You know, for him, he came out really hot in his career. Then it dipped a little bit, and the putter was actually a big problem. It's gotten better this year, even though some people on Twitter would argue with me about that. But listen, he got to number three in the world at one point last year. He was a rider cup. I know he didn't have the best rider cup. Nobody did for Team USA.

But now... The putt gets all the attention. Like, if it didn't come down to that putt that he left short, people would talk less about Russell Henley at the rider game. Yeah. And, I mean, look, he's just an extremely solid. player. You talked to everybody that played with him at Georgia. He talked to Coach Hack. By the way, congratulations, Coach Hack on an unbelievable career.

What a run. One of the best to ever do it. The dude, I hate to say Bulldog, because he is a Bulldog, but he is just such a tough competitor. He's never going to, like, blow you away or wow you when you go watch and play. Because, like you said, he doesn't hit it crazy far. His Iron Game is extremely good, but people don't get that excited about that stuff. And he's just, he's got a very solid all-around game. And there's a reason he's won six times out there now.

He's not the most exciting to watch. He's not going to freak out, run around, do anything crazy. He could walk into the mall, and no one will probably recognize him. But he's a hell of a player, man. He's up to fifth in the world now again. There's a reason Scotty Shepler wants to play with him when the President's Cup rolls around. I think it makes it to your point, like even more impressive that he doesn't have a superpower in a world where there's a lot of guys that do. He's center on the range of like, well, I'll never be able to do that.

So it's hard to see myself beating this guy if I can't do that unless he just plays awful, right? Russell, you said they're like, I could do that. I could hit it that far. I can have irons like that. But he continues to pick up wins, probably the best that he's been right now. And he and Eric Cole, similar players, I would argue, right there battling down the stretch. Shout out to Colonial, the Triple C for putting up a good show. They did this weird thing.

I don't know if you notice this week, the rough. So there's a fairway, which is like the shorter grass. And then if you miss that outside, it was longer. It's called the rough. And it was hard for them to guess how far the ball was going out of that, which led to some poor shots. It was a cool novel concept. I hope more tournaments to pick up on the...

I always thought when you say like rough, it's like not a good thing. Right. They treat you bad. The fairway is the good. That's what you're aiming for. But if you miss it, this grass is longer

that makes it harder to hit it close to the hole, which is on the green. And we have a golf course that the fairways are running playing as short as probably possible. Not a ton of drivers. Already, what, 7,000 on the card?

And by the way, it's 7250, I believe. Not... I would say, look, it's not the longest. by any means, and it was not insanely firm. Like they had two and a half inches of rain the week leading up to it. It got a little bouncy on Sunday. There is no doubt. But imagine a couple week dry spell leading into there.

I mean, you could possibly have single digits went around there. It just shows you you grow up rough. You make these guys think off the tee. It challenges them. You're not going to see 30 under win around Colonial. Also, you got two par fives. Number one is these, this whole property. You should bury that one if you had the fairway.

not the easiest try, but you have the fairway. I feel like you should burdy that. Two's fairly easy. We'll flip up there with wedge. After that, it gets hard to make birdies. The only other part five, 11. It's weird. These guys reach it now, but it's like 630.

It's hard. And with hazard on the right, like you see bogeys on that hole too. So there's like two par fives, one of which is a hard birdie. It keeps the scoring down. Then you grow up some rough. Guys were hitting less than driver. Like you said, it was fun to see a little strategy. But you look on that leaderboard, you got Henley and Cole battling down there.

You got Ben Griffin, who smashes it, who plays great around here. Damn near did it again, 50 foot around 18. It looked like it was going in the entire way. Gary Woodland, is it far. He's up there. He saw a bunch of, like, a different, he's the longest guy on the PJ Tour right now, or fastest. You see a bunch of different types of guys that can play well on that golf course. I think that's ultimate, that's the sign of a good test of golf.

Couldn't agree more. And I'm interested to see what happens in the future with Colonial. Obviously, next year is going to be. absolutely wild. I know they've already moved the CJ Cup Bair Nelson to late April. Colonial, I believe,

will be coming the week after the PGA championship, which is in Frisco at Fields Ranch. So a lot of golf in the DFW area, by the way, about the majors next year. Augusta.

Phebel. St. Andrews. Fieler Ranch. No hate. I haven't been there yet. I'm just saying. No hate. I saw it.

Did you watch the PGA section? pro national championships or whatever. You know, I'm talking about. Yeah. No, it was at Bannon this year. Yeah. Either the year before or the year before that,

it was at, and I watched it. Yeah. And talked to a bunch of the guys that played it. It'd be interesting to see what they do to that place. Yeah. Out there, speaking of firm and bounds, like that place can get it. Problem is. Also, the last two weeks, this was the 12-under going back to cloning for just a minute.

We got two weeks in a row in Dallas-Fort Worth, and I didn't see the win. I didn't see one flag like whipping. I didn't know it could be that calm for two weeks in a row. And still 12-under at Colonial. So even shows it holds up even more. You got the bad way for four years in college. It was the four-year windy spell.

Story of my life. What did I tell you? But it was an awesome week in Fort Worth, man. You know, I take some shots at TCU because I went to ask me. That's what we do. Some of your TCU boys, a little soft on social media. I'm being totally honest. Not like those tough ponies.

Yeah, that's right. We just pay for shit to go away. The guys that dug it out of the dirt over in Highland Park. I didn't know you couldn't take shot at one of your rivals. You can. I would be offended if you said something nice about TCU, actually. I did say they did win the last battle of the iron skillet. That's right, which won't happen again for forever, which is a catastrophe.

It is. But Fort Worth, you know, I love it. We had a great time over there. Drover Hotel. What a scene. That is, the stockyards. Went to a new little place called Bowie House, which is Feet. Probably.

Camp Bowie. It's got to be off of Can't Booy House. Okay. Either way. Pretty sure it's Bowie House. Okay. Could be Bowie House. Booy nice.

Don't really care. I know where it's at. Yeah. And they shot a lot of land man there. Phenomenal. Took a little trip to Cattleman's legendary steakhouse here that, that, is it Taylor Sheridan or Tyler Sheridan? Taylor Sheridan. Taylor Sheridan just recently bought, made it made it even better.

But we got to go down to the members lounge where a little private area down there where a lot of it was filmed. So Bill and Bob cracked a bottle. Yeah. I thought about doing that over Johnson Wagner's head, but I decided just for them, just for the fact. It would hurt the bottle. It would hurt the bottle. more. Yeah, he wouldn't have felt it a bit. But it was an awesome week over there. Took a trip to Billy Bob's, obviously. Of course, have to. Dylan Scott, a little honky tongue. Any Joe Tees?

I did not go to Joe Tees. Cash only. Yes. Smart. Nobolo went over there night, but obviously it's right by the hotel. Great spot. But shout out Fort Worth. Played some awesome golf. Shady Oaks went over there, got to see a bunch of the boys that grew up playing with, the Leon brothers. Yeah. Colton Williams. Saw Stan Utley running around out there. Shady Oaks. Love that spot. It was so much fun. I did lose both matches to Wagu. So now it's seven to three on the season, devastating losses. I want to talk about the one round,

but I'll say Shady Oaks was just a horrendous pillow fight. We both were gassed. It was hotter than hell. We played terrible. All square going into 18. You've played Shady Oaks. They have the whole location up on that little front thumbnail. Okay.

Wagu hits it in the left rough. Hits it in the right bunker, just absolutely dead. No chance. I'm in the dead center of the fairway, a little downslope, 81 yards. This thing's over. It's game over. All you got to do is freaking hit it on the green.

It's over. Caught her a little thin, stuck to the face. No, no, just like, it's one of those ones. Came out a little low with a little spin. Lange just on the front edge. Zip. Back into the tall grass, which is in the hazard. Wack it out.

Three putt, six. He made five. Five gets it done. Just the biggest gift of ever. It was horrendous. I said I made John Vandeveld look clutch. How good is it shady, though? It's fun.

It's sweet, isn't it? It's really cool. Oglevin and his group did a great job. 19th hole phenomenal. Our man, Watt Stevens, who is our host, who's a.k.a. the Duke of Fort Worth. Good name. You should get to know. Good name. He is greatness. But the day before

was an all-timer. Dallas National Golf Club, myself, Wagu, Scotty Shepler, Jordan Speeth, C. Wu Kim. What a treat for them. I mean, it couldn't have been lucky. To get to watch that. But I tell you what,

Wagu and I were very excited, obviously, to play with those guys. Hadn't played with them in a very long time. And we were out there and we had our game. Waggou came out ripping and roaring, made seven birdies from 7,500 yards at Dallas National in the first 11 holes. It's a three-time tour winner. Everyone like sixies, he shoots 85 because he knifes a few chips on TV. Yeah, well, most time he does.

But we went out there and we had a nice hammer wolf game going. It was a lot of fun. We ended up playing 27. But that match, Wagyu and I all tied on 18. Once again, he's in trouble. I've got three wood into the par five. freaking neck it, spinny, into the tall grass, end up paring. So we tie the match.

But Scotty wants to play an E-9. So Wagu says, we're going to sudden death. He birdies the first sudden death hole. So he gets the dub there. But Scotty, 65. I fired a little 67. Wagu, Siwu, Spieth, all 68. So you're, what's Siwu ranked in the world?

Like 20th? So you're at least 19th. Yeah. Yeah. And Wagu, whatever he's tied with him. He's 21st, maybe. It was, I mean, both of us played so good.

They were like, what is happening? We got two aside in the wolf game. I took five from Scotty and an indie, which I think is plenty of fair. Yeah, more in an indie. Scottie shot a little ho-hum, 65, no big deal. But the best part was the next day, Scotty texted me and he goes, wait,

did you beat Siwu and Jordan straight up and Johnson tied him? I'm like, sure did. He goes, perfect. Yeah, stand by by. Yeah, this is going to get good. You got a TV. Trust me, it didn't slip by us. We weren't allowed to talk about it on the broadcast this week,

which I understand because, look, they're at home playing golf right down the road from Colonial, not seeing it up. So not the best look, but hey, it is what it is. You can't play every week. The boys wanted to week off, and they just wanted to see what some real players, like Colton Wagoo. That's how you get ready. That's how you get ready for Jack's place. They'll probably finish one, two, three at Memorial.

Right there. Yeah, the better they play, the better for y'all for the rest of the year. We got them ready. By the way, before we go to the interview, huge news and huge congratulations out of the collegiate golf world right now. How about it? Andrez Gonzalez, new men's head golf coach

for the UNLV running rebels. This is incredible. It just got announced. There's been talks of it for a while. I think he had a ton of support, as you would imagine, from all the playing alumni, all the boosters.

I mean, if you've met Dre, you love Dre. He's one of the most likable guys on the planet. He's been a super close friend of mine since we started playing at UNLV. Bomb squad. Bomb squad, stand up.

Got to make sure those. their deep. No, that's their workout music. We got to have some NDAs being signed on that. But, man, couldn't be happier for the kid. You know, he's been on our show. He works at PJ Tour Radio sometimes, you know, PJ Tour live. He's doing all this stuff.

And now he's, like, found a home. I feel like head coached UNOV. A little scary that he's in charge of molding the youth of America into adulthood. But I hope he kills it. He's going to be great. It's going to be awesome. I was so happy for him when I saw that announce. and I think the entire golf world was too.

So I had no idea. This was like in the works or anything. I was on the range at Colonial on Saturday. Just sitting there watching some people warm up and all this and got kind of bored. So I pulled out my phone and looked at Instagram. First thing that pops up is that beautiful smile of Dre. And it says a rebel is coming home, new head golf coach. And I told everyone on the range.

And they were so excited for him. Everyone was like, that's fucking awesome. He's going to do great. He's going to have some nice NIL backing. I'm sure. He knows some nice people. But yes, everyone is so pumped for Dre. That is cool.

It's crazy. Like when we were at UNO or when I was at TCU, he was. Oh, the fourth ever. There's been no coaches because Coach Knight is UNLV golf, always has been, always will be. There's been nobody there. And the way, like, I looked at Coach Knight when I was at TCU. Or the same way with Hack or Hepler or Holder or all these guys that were kind of like the long-term legends.

It's crazy. I'm like, dude, these kids are going to be looking at you. Like, not that you've had 25 years in the game, but you know what I mean? Like, you're one of them now. You're the coach. Like, that's crazy. What a run that's going to be for Dre. Up there, super excited for him.

Yeah, shout out to the kid. Kill it, Dre. If you need us to come take any recruits out in Vegas, we'll do it. Just for you, though. Happy to. By the way, also, we have been on a nice little run here with our friends over at Kalshi, picking, predicting some nice things that have been going on in the PGA Tour world. We predicted the winner this week.

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prediction is we're on to Jack's Place, the Memorial, signature event, 72 guys teamed up, loaded field, obviously. Here we go. Let's see if we can stay hot with our predictions. And for our top 20 prediction, we're going to go with a guy who, in my opinion, honestly, this guy's underachieved. I think he is so good. The crowds love him.

He should be competing week after week in big time events. Therefore, I see there's no reason why he can't finish top 20. Give me the chef, Min Woo Lee. I love it. tool-wise, talent-wise, he's got a lot of it. Usually one of those guys, if he starts winning and winning some big ones, like his popularity will blow up. Hard to not like him.

All right, going into our top 10 play here, let's ride a hot hand. We've got a guy coming off a top 10 at Colonial. He's had a huge resurgence this year, probably the feel-good story of the year with his win earlier in the season, but why not Gary Woodland, a little top 10, huh? He's playing so good. And by way, this is a big ballpark,

very generous fairways off the tea. Gary wanted a place where it's about as big a ballpark as you can be in down in Houston, but then also shows he can do, he can play any type of golf course finishes, I believe, tied for sixth at Colonial. Love Gary Woodland, love where he's going right now. He seems to be in a very good place mentally ever since like kind of letting it all pour out. There to Rex Hoggart at the Golf Channel during the players. I'm pumped for him, man.

Him and Randy Smith doing some great work. I love that. Yeah, long rough out there typically. He's big, strong enough to get through it, but why not, Gary? And I don't think this one's going to surprise anyone. No, we're not going with Scotty Sheffler for our winner of the memorial. But just a close second, guy who's been playing the best golf of his career. I know he loves this golf course.

Give us Cam Young to bring home the title. Amen. It's been a good run for the young man, really figuring it out. Yeah, he's coming, man. You like what you see. I do. I like what I see. Shinnecock, he could be a very popular.

Well, he will be a very popular pick around there. No question. And he has a lot of support up in New York. I don't know if you knew this. It's from New York. Yeah, he is. Right. It's like a home game.

Yeah, he's like Jay-Z. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, exactly. But different. Yeah, Brooklyn. Stand up. By the way, in honor of Andres Gonzalez becoming the new head coach of UNLV,

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And rather warm here in Scottsdale. Yeah, it's not much cooler around this time. I'll take the 100 degrees. It's been all right, honestly. The 100 degrees, no humidity versus that 92 in Fort Worth. It's not even close. You got eight gloves strapped your bag. Use a different one on every swing.

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Bold play on the shorts. Still felt like I was wearing nothing. Yes, like when we get into like Greensboro Memphis, Memphis, especially guys in the khakis on the range. Like, well, you're about to live in forever on the internet. Memphis, St. Louis, Atlanta. Playoffs, get rid of the khakis. Click right there. As sweat for days.

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great Joe Buck. All right. We have a very familiar voice joining us today. Legendary sportscaster who's called Six Super Bowls, Soon to Be Seven, 23 World Series. He's a member of the Sports Broadcasting Hall of Fame and upcoming host for the new ESPN Jeopardy, I might add. Mr. Joe Buck joins us. Joey, how are you? I'm good, boys. How are you guys doing? Fantastic. Always good to be with you. Joe. I've missed you down in Cabo this year. Sad we couldn't make it, but I know you you held it down for us. I did. Yeah, that's a tough week to describe to somebody who hasn't experienced it. To me, it's everything that's right about the game of golf and everything that drives kind of the traditionalist nuts about golf in 2026. But I love it. You and I usually have a lot of

fun down there. So let's make sure we don't miss another year. Exactly. And we always rig it too. we get to play together both days we have a blast it's not for the purest i wouldn't say it's not i was walking i was walking down the fairway one time a very prestigious club uh one i i i hesitate to even say the name of it for fear of never being invited back uh i hesitate to say the name of the person that i was walking next to but long time usg a person and uh the question came up in the group was we were walking down the first fairway i was about to veer off short right into the rough or the tree line. And before I took my right turn, because this person was right down the middle of the

fairway, he did say, you know, I just hate the music and people playing, you know, with the shirts untucked. And I just bit my tongue. I was like, you bet. I hate the music too. And it's just so wrong for the game of golf. But I was lying because I feel like it makes it a hell of a lot more fun. The three of us enjoy golf the same way.

Yeah. A quick story, just since we brought up Cabo, I will say, we were down there a couple years ago. Dexter Fowler, World Series champion, was in our group. R&B superstar. Yeah, was actually getting ready to do an interview with NBC to be on the baseball coverage, playing with one of the greatest ever do it right here. Joe's like, you want me to get on the Zoom call? Maybe give a little recommendation.

Like the verbal letter of recommendation? Yeah. But he said no. So that should probably tell me. where I sit in Dex's life. But yeah, I mean, to me, Dexter's made for this stuff. He's a wonderful guy. And, you know, to be honest, I know we're not taking this in a serious direction,

but for me, to play with Dexter down there, to play with Justin Upton, who I covered, you know, in World Series and in playoff games and never really knew them. And to get to know them, Chase Utley, another guy, Zach Granky, another guy who plays down at El Dorado and to get to know them as guys and not just kind of the pro athlete that's down on the field that I'm theoretically criticizing or critiquing from up in the booth and then them get to know me. It's kind of like a little, I don't know, it's one of the benefits of doing what we do and getting a chance to be on the grass and on fairways and punting greens and just being one of the guys with them. I love that more than anything. For them to get to know,

me better, and then to see them in a different light is really eye-opening. Has there ever been anyone that you've met, like you covered for years in any sport, for that matter? And then they, you know, they finish up, and then you play golf with them. And you're like, whoa, I was way, way off on this guy. Carson Palmer is a guy that I just felt was kind of always standoffish. You know, he kind of has an air about him. And people say this about me. So this is not a, and it's not accurate. And I was wrong. So I played with. Carson and his brother Jordan, who's now like the quarterback whisperer. He teaches all these

middle school, high school, college kids, how to get ready for the NFL. And we played in Tahoe one year where it was, I think, the first round. We were together for whatever reason, or maybe the second day our scores were somewhere in the same ballpark. So they put us together. And we got finished. And Jordan and Carson both came to me at the same time, like almost like they just had a meeting about whether they were going to bring this up to me. And Jordan at the end goes, hey, we got a question. Oh, yeah, well, yeah, obviously, whatever. And we were drinking on the course. We were having a blast. He's like, how do you not cuss when you're doing a World Series or the Super Bowl or a game on a Sunday or Monday? Because all you do out here is cuss. You know,

when you put the headset on, and you know this, you guys know this. When you put the headset on, you're in a difference, like you're a different person. When the headset's not, there and you're walking around, even in Tahoe, you kind of just, the guard rails come down and you end up just being yourself and they were blown away. I've never heard anybody cuss as much as you or have a good time. And on the air, you're completely different person. I was like, yeah, that's kind of the bane of my existence. That's what I fight in every social media platform that's known to man. That's surprise, Jacques. You have been asked that same question before. apparently I have a mouth when I'm off off of the air.

And realize that cold. I thought he was subdued and never gave shit to anybody. Buttoned up. Straight down the pipe. I'll say this, Joe, just I think like since this podcast era or whatever you want to call it, where like, you know, we're sitting here having a conversation with you. You've done a million of these things. So many people, I feel like got to know the real Joe Buck over the last handful of years,

like how you are, you know, like you're talking about being off the course. And I think you've benefited like in terms of like there's so many people, I feel like, get to know, you know, like, he's awesome. Because people can be totally different on the broadcasts than they are in real life. Yeah, I think a couple things. You know, the Randy Moss moment didn't help with me saying, you know, that's disgusting on the mooning thing and the butt against the goalpost in Lambo field. If I had that to do over again, I would have chosen a different word and that's been so,

you know, up in arms about it. But, you know, as you guys know, when you're doing live broadcast, you've got to live with what comes out of your mouth, good and bad. And I'm not saying it was bad, but I think it was over the top. And Randy and I have become friends. And now we work at the same network. And he was on the Monday Night Countdown with my wife, who, you know, all the guys in that show, the coolest dude.

To my wife, to me when I would show up is Randy. He didn't care when I said it in the moment. And he sure as hell doesn't care now. But you live and learn. And then I think when somebody's calling balls and strikes and touchdowns and home runs. The general public gets a feel for who they think that person is. And it's been a concerted effort, whether it's doing this podcast

or going on the part in my take guys or going on stern a couple of times or doing a show called Brockmeyer and saying stuff that you probably wouldn't expect to come out of my mouth. I think people writing a book called Lucky Bastard and kind of just bearing my soul about divorce and about, you know, being who I am and my insecurities and hair transplant surgeries and on and on and on. I feel like being, I, if people are going to have an opinion of me, then I want them to have the full picture, and then they can judge it however they want. But I think when it's only, you're presenting yourself as kind of the, you know, perfect knot in the tie and the top button buttoned and everything perfect, it doesn't really give a picture of who you are. So I've kind of, it's,

It's been an effort to try to try to do that. I love that. The hair does look phenomenal, by the way. It's a little messy right now because we're having a tornado in St. Louis. But that's how much I love you guys. Picked up the kids early from school. I've got a warrior. One of my twins was bawling, crying in his classroom.

So I went up early. I got them. But I raced down here. So if the house gets taken away or if our electricity goes out, please forgive me. We'll do this. We'll finish it in another. day. Yeah, just come back.

Or it could be the last Joe Buck interview ever. We'll leave the recording going. This could be it. It'd be good for us, Joe. Well, Slee's mentioned at the start, ESPN Jeopardy, which I want to give you, because I know we're pumped about this because anytime Jeopardy's on the TV, I just feel like even a bigger idiot than I am because I don't know the answers to anything. I feel like ESPN Jeopardy.

I got a little bit of a chance. But when did this all come about? It's really recent. I mean, I'm going what is today. Today's Monday. I'm shooting it Friday and Saturday this week. And I would say it hasn't been more than three weeks. I've officially been the host of this.

I got a chance to do it when they were looking for the full-time guy. I did a week's worth of shows, which took one practice day and then one full day of doing five shows. And it's more about kind of getting the pacing and the cadence of the show and the mechanics of it. You know, what's on the monitor in front of me? You talk about not knowing the answers. I stood there like the smartest guy in the world.

I knew nothing. But I'm provided with the questions, as it were, on Jeopardy. Everything has to be in the form of a question. I'm sure you guys are aware of that. But just knowing what's on the monitor in front of me, how I theoretically run the game will have. It's an hour-long show compared to a half hour, which I think lets there be a little bit more time for some,

you know, fun in there. You don't feel like you're up against the gun. When I did the real Jeopardy, you realize they want you to go as fast as you can go. And it is, it is like machine gun fast. And what I was told, which I never would have thought of, is the person who was teaching me how to host the game, this is whatever it was, four or five years ago, said, you know, if you mess up when you read the clue, just keep going. And we'll pick it up. We'll read it up. We'll do it afterward. They're not, the contestants, and these are basically professional contestants 100 times smarter, they're not listening to you. When the clue comes up on the screen on the board, their eyes go right to the screen and the board. They're reading it themselves. They're not even

listening, and they will hit their buzzer as fast as they can. Now, I'm not saying it's going to be the same because this is going to be a lot of ESPN talent, a few stars from the entertainment world. I think it's 10 shows total. It's a limited run. But I at least have done it before, so I kind of know what I'm walking into as opposed to never having done it. It takes a little bit to get used to how the thing runs.

Yeah, and this will be more laid back. I like Celebrity Jeopardy when they have it. It's a little more laid back than the real one. Question for you, though, on Real Jeopardy, when you got the real genius guys in there, did they give them like a book? And it's like, hey, you're on Wednesday. We're recording it.

it's going to be we're going to use 10 of these 30 categories or something how do they like some of this shit there's just no way they could know it's it's funny you say that because i i had always heard and maybe this is to make the rest of us feel better about ourselves that they were shown answers or they were shown as you said different categories that would be on their show uh the answer is they don't know they have no idea wow and if you ever saw the movie quiz show uh where there was uh controversy answers were given, money was made, and it was all fictitious. It's a great movie, by the way. But it was all kind of against the law, the way this thing was, now there are so many restrictions, regulations. It has run like an election. There is no way that anybody on the stage for regular

jeopardy or even celebrity jeopardy or ESPN jeopardy, they will not know. anything. But there is, they do study, quote unquote, to get ready for these games. I don't know how they do it. I don't know how they could ever understand or guess what the categories would be because the categories themselves are clever. But no, they have no idea what's coming their way. And that will pertain to ESPN Jeopardy as well. Makes me feel even worse. Yeah. I would assume they had like a little like, here's some categories.

Know these ones. Yeah. Yeah. How do we go about getting to be one of the questions on ESPN Jeopardy? I think that'd be great. Do something cool in life. Well, I mean, I can go to the powers it be and say, hey, when we get to the category of golf, let's have the subpar guys give the clue. Oh, video.

I feel like that would be fun. And I do think, you know, this show, as you said, it's got to be more. fun. This is not day-to-day jeopardy. So I guess Colin Jost hosts pop culture, Jeopardy. There's Celebrity Jeopardy, which every time I watch it, McCulley Coulin seems to be on as one of the contestants. But they, it's it's more chill. And that that is going to be different than what I did the first time around. So that'll take some adjustment. But yeah, it should be fun. This is more entertainment.

I think if there's a balance, I think it tips more entertainment, but it's going to be, I've been told and I've seen no questions, answers, nothing as we sit here today. But it's going to be, it's not going to be, sure, it's going to be a lot of hockey, football, baseball, basketball,

but it's going to be rugby, ice skating, bad, you know, it's going to be the full spectrum. of sports and somebody's going to have their wheelhouse that we don't know about but this is not just going to be

what drives people nuts when you say it publicly but the four major sports like no this is going to be all across the board I can't wait to watch by the way final jeopardy this guy wants risked his entire career to switch equipment companies for his only PJ tour event that's right dude who is who is Drew Stoltz who is the dumbest man on the earth

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Plus, kids get in free with a ticketed adult. Now, back to Joe. Last question on The Jeopardy. You said it's going to be ESPN talent and then some like entertainment, you know, in the world of entertainment type people. Out of the ESPN talent that's going to be on there, who do you have pegged as the early favorite?

I hear Jay Harris is really good at this stuff. So I was actually just thinking about that today. Like when I walk out there saying the money's on you, Jay, don't let me down. if you know what I mean, don't let me down. But they'll probably cut that out because that seems a little like I'm fixing the game for Jay Harris, which I can't.

It's impossible. But I hear that he is primed and ready to go. The other guy I heard, because I see him on Get Up anymore. Shreger's good too. Yeah, Dan Graziano is incredible. Okay, good. Good to know. Yeah, he comes on Get Up and he always goes, against their producer guy.

I can't remember his name. Hembo. Yeah, Hembo. And he dominates Hembo. He drives himbo nuts. Yeah. Well, I'm so bad at that stuff. I play that the game that's on my phone every morning and now I just skip through.

Not Wordle, not that, but the one where you have the category, or somebody who played for the Tampa Bay Rays and the Pittsburgh Pirates. You know, like where it's like a, it's a grid. And you're supposed to come up with these names. You could pick any one of 300 guys. And I covered all of these teams and all of these players. And I can't get any of them. It's like, oh, yeah, obviously.

But it's like Brett Barbary. You know, well, I know who that is. I covered him. I know he played for the Marlins. But for some reason, my mind, I see a player and I got him with a number on his back. I can picture him in that uniform. But it's hard for me to go, oh, yeah. And that guy also had a cup of coffee with, you know, whoever.

the Phillies. And it's, so I'm bad at all of this stuff. So I, I, the host is a moron when you watch it. Which is perfect. You have all the answers. Best other news about this show coming out, which we'll watch and we'll love it, is the chance that it could get spoofed on Saturday night live, which we could use another one of the, we need you like a turd Ferguson type. You know what I mean? I kind of went to went away when you're back, you know. It may be Norm McGa, and, you know, now that Norm MacDonald has passed. And it proves that the true. tributes and the appreciation for somebody's talent happens after they get fired or after they pass away. And I have more on my social media, or on Instagram, basically, of Norm MacDonald jokes, skits,

stories that are awesome. And I think Tert Ferguson might be the best thing he did on SNO. I still quoted, like, on a weekly basis. I don't know how many years ago that was, but I still, yeah, it's a big hat. He is. Like my hat? I shouldn't say it's him as Bert Reynolds. Right. And that's one of his answers.

And that's the whole, you know, you got Will Ferrell hosting as Trebek. And then you have Daryl Hammond. Darry. Darryl Hammond. Daryl is doing Sean Connery. Whoever, somebody's doing Sean Connery. Yeah.

It's amazing. Oh, it's so good. The person is mighty. Here's hoping that happens. You mentioned getting ready to your seventh Super Bowl next year, obviously ESPN has been rewarded that. How about the commercial y'all just filmed? Roger Goodell, give me a little slap on the back saying,

congrats on your first Super Bowl, Joe. Yeah, as you guys know, when you do promos, like that was the last one that they threw at us. We could have done, that promo could have been an hour. We sat there for two and a half hours doing one take after another. I had to keep yelling and giving a high five to Jerome Bettis. I did it more than any of his Steeler teammates in his career. giving him a high five for that promo.

But we had a million different endings, and that was the one that made it. And they cut it off before I'm like, no, this is number seven as he's walking off, but that's gone. So all you see is my face. They have a 30 second version, a 15 second version, and in my opinion, it should have been a 45. I agree. You needed a rebuttal there.

Yeah. There's a line there, but it's cut out. Well, one of the guys and the guy you've been in the booth with for a number of years and I'm a diehard Dallas Cowboy fan so he was my hero growing up but the great Troy Aikman what's it like working alongside him and have you ever seen him put anything bad in his body? No. God. It's so perfect. It's really frustrating because it's almost like there's 34 hours in his day and I feel like there's seven in mind with the amount of stuff that he gets accomplished in the course of a day. Now, it helps. He goes to bed at like 9.30 at night, and he's got a whole

health routine that he does before he goes to sleep, and it's all cold water, hasn't taken a hot shower in three years, and maybe one, I think he said. But to me, a hot shower is one of the great joys of life. And he has ignored that and just gone for the health benefits of whatever he's been told for the cold water treatment. And, you know, cold plunges. and infrared sauna and red light therapy and all that stuff. So good for him. I don't have that kind of discipline. He does have a beer company.

He's got eight beer that is a quote unquote better for you beer that's made with all natural ingredients, which is right on brand with him. But yeah, I mean, this will be our 25th year together, our seventh Super Bowl together. And pretty crazy that for a quarter of a century I've looked at my right. And Troy's been my partner. He's looked to his left. I'm sure he can finish 75% of my sentences, and I can finish about 89% of his at this point.

But that's kind of what makes it fun. It's pretty awesome for him. I mean, calling his seventh, played in three, by the way, one off of them. Yeah. Did you know that? Yeah. Also, the last time we went to the Super Bowl.

Presby in Jeopardy, I would have gotten that one right. Yeah, that's one I would have gotten correct. Tell him just to have a candy bar or something once. Yeah, the bad thing is, like, I like licorice. And so in front of us in the booth, there's always like almonds. He's a big almond guy. And I became a big almond guy, like those blue diamond ones that have 19 different flavors. Some are good.

Some are a little over the top. But that's kind of the endgame snack, which is not good when a little almond sliver gets caught in the back of your throat and you start choking as you're calling a touchdown. But I was eating licorice one time. He's like, have you ever looked at the ingredients in licorice? No. No, there's a reason. That's the point.

I don't care. Exactly. Yeah. What's the point of living to 100 if you don't have a couple along the way? Take me early. I'll have some good years. He wants to live to 100, but he's going to have no fun getting there. Yeah.

Well, he's on his way. Going back to the Super Bowl, which you're calling your seventh one here, This is like a rare, real question for you. Do you still, like 100 plus million people going to be tuned into that thing? You've called 8 million games in your life across the board. Do you still get nervous for a Super Bowl? Yeah, just because there's like an abnormal buildup. You know, there's at that point when we do that, God willing, if we make it there,

we will have not done a game for three weeks. And so, you know, we used when we were at Fox, we at least did the championship game too. And that was always a great game to end on or to long. launch you into the Super Bowl. Now we don't have that at ESPN. So we have a divisional playoff. So now we're done then. And then it's like, okay, let's get the big countdown clock and we're going to put it at three weeks. And then at some point, what is an odd sensation is when you have, you know, for the previous six that I've done, you've got all this buildup, you've got all this hype. It doesn't matter what the matchup is. It's going to be great.

and so you're primed and ready to go. And all you're talking about are all these different storylines. And then you know, as you said, that there's going to be over 100 million people watching this thing, which is one of those, hey, whatever you do, don't touch this hot plate, or whatever you do, don't look down while you climb this ladder. When you stay, it's like, whatever you do,

don't think about the 100 million people that are watching this thing, but you can't help but do it. And then it's like all of a sudden, bang, somebody kicks a football. and then it flies through the air and somebody catches it on the other end and I got to go, okay, that's Johnson returning it for whoever. And it's like, okay, here we go. Now we're back into doing what we normally do.

It's like a cold water dump on your head. It's like all this pomp and circumstance and this beautiful anthem and, you know, the runouts and all that stuff. And it's like, okay, now it's time to go do what we do. And it's like, oh, thank God, the game is finally here. And you can just kind of cover it. So it's a little bit nerve-wracking until you get into it. And once you get into it, you just kind of do the game.

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Now back to Joe Buck. Do you still have your one beer or drink sitting there before the Super Bowl? You know, I dumped that. I was doing it back. I can put a year to it because I remember the World Series was 2015. So it's been, I mean, it'll be 11 years since I did that. When I was doing the World Series and I'm getting all the online stuff, why do you hate my team?

Royals fans don't want you to do the World Series because they think you don't like their team. And you want to go, okay, go back to Lorenzo Kane scoring from first on a base. hit to write or and listen to my voice. Somehow you think that guy's rooting against you, but, you know, that comes from the year before when Madison Bumgarner was amazing for the San Francisco Giants. And every Royals fan is like, well, this guy shut up about Madison Bumgarner. I get it as a fan. But it's like you start hearing that over and over and over again. And it's like death by a thousand cuts. And you go, okay, I'm just going to remember that I'm just broadcasting a game. And if I was here as a fan, I would go get a beer and a bag of peanuts and I would enjoy the game. And so I thought,

well, what a great trigger for my mind. And I wouldn't be opposed to it. But just having it there was like a visual reminder. I never finished it. Probably never drank half of it. But I wanted it there as a reminder that I'm doing a sporting event. And I'm supposed to have fun. And if you're not having fun. And if you're worrying about all that other stuff, all the social media stuff, and you know, what if I make a mistake and a ball, I say as a home runs off the top of the wall or, oh, my God, the world's going to end? No, it's not. That's not the way it works. And you need to enjoy it while you're there. So whatever visual cue, and I do, I have boards that I've made for Super Bowl's past where I'll write in the margins, like, fucking relax. I write that on my board.

or have fun, or I'll have my kids put right under have fun, like a smiley face. So that in a moment when I'm calling a game for 100 million people, if my eyes catch that, I'll think of my kids, I'll think of the moment that we were writing that, and I'll just lighten up. And I think that's good. And I don't know if either one of you guys have ever talked to Curtis Strange, but back when we were at Fox and doing the U.S. Open and, you know, I did, events a year. And we were in year two. And A-Zinger was there now and some things had changed. And we'd been through that first year. I had one of the runners go get six Budweiser's. And I said, we're going to go over the corner of this booth, the studio set on 18.

And we're all just going to clink together. We're going to toast each other. We're going to take a sip, throw them away. But we're going to remember to have fun when we do this. And if people don't like us on Fox Golf. Okay, but we're going to enjoy it. And I'm glad I did it. I think those guys were glad that I did it. And we had a ball. And, you know, I think that there's good reminders along the way to just have fun doing what we do. Can you call Nancy and tell them we need to do that before each show? That'd be great. I'd love a cocktail before the start of every show. Absolutely. It costs me 40 bucks, but, you know, it's okay. I'll send him the 40. Yes, exactly. How, how was it covering golf? I know you didn't do it for very long, but I mean, you've done everything. And then

you get thrown there into golf. Did you find golf challenging or was it just pretty normal? Easily, the most challenging thing for me to do. You know, I was all pissed off, and I've said this a hundred times, but it's worth bringing up again. Maybe I've said this on your podcast, but I remember when Fox got the rights and Johnny Miller was pissed off. Everybody at NBC was mad. And, you know, I was like indignant. Like how can they say anything? It's network to network. And Johnny Miller said, you don't just fall out of a tree and do a U.S.

open. And it upset me. And I was like, well, you know, we're going to be great. But he was right. You know, it's, he was dead right. You do not, it's hard to pick up and do, you know, on the PGA tour, our national championship, having not done anything else up to that point and trying to act like you've been there every other week. You guys cover it every week. It's like when I do baseball,

you know, I just did a Dodgers Mets game. I haven't done a game in a year. And it's hard when you're not there on a day-by-day basis. And you haven't kind of walked through the recent history and been there and been attentive to it and, you know, known who's hot coming in. You don't have to research that stuff. And then you add to that the layer of, I'm not looking at any of this with my own eyes. I'm sitting with my back to the course. I mean, as you know, Colt, I love the game. That doesn't mean anything. That doesn't make me any more qualified to do it than anybody else. And I'm not watching it with my own eyes. Whatever sliver of the many acres that this thing's on is behind me, I'm looking forward at cameras and in monitors, and I'm going off information. I'm getting out of my

ear from the back of the studio. And that's a weird sensation for me. I usually have the best. seat in the house. I say it's generated out of my mind for better or worse. I've seen it with my own eyes. I can put my own thoughts to it. And now I'm just going off the information that at the time Mark Loomis was given me. He was amazing. But it's a, you know, hey, we're going to Johnson on four putting for birdie. Hey, we're going next to speak at seven, putting for par, whatever. And you're, you're trying to put all that together, maintain the scoreboard, try to create a narrative of wide, certain players are ascending, why guys are falling apart, remembering the previous shot that happened. It's a long-winded answer, but it was way more than I ever thought it would be.

And I felt like in year five, our last U.S. Open was at Pebble. And I thought it was really good. And I felt like we all kind of got it. And maybe we got it before then. But it was like, okay, we're settling in. And then Fox sold it back to NBC and we were out. But yeah, I'm glad I did it, but I realize how hard it is and how great Nance and Hicks and Toreko and guys are that make that interesting week after week.

Yeah, and golf is like, you got to know the players. You don't know who's going to be up at the top of the leaderboard before the week starts, obviously. Like, you know when the Raiders are playing the Broncos. You got to know the golf course. And then also, Joe, like, I find this for golf fans. Like, if you're not a true golf, like, inside, like a guy that you live, breathe, die golf, it's been your whole life.

Like, even like if you use the wrong verbiage for something on the golf course or a way they're not accustomed to hearing it, they're like, ah, you know, this guy doesn't know his ass from his elbow. Yeah, it's like he's a fake. And I, so I'm deathly, I was deadly aware of that. Then you do the USGA stuff and it's like, okay, it's not the tea box, it's the teeing ground. It's not the driving range. It's the practice. It's not the, you know, the pin. It's the whole location.

It's not a trap. It's a bunker. It's like, shit, I just want to talk golf. And I do say, hey, you know, so-and-so's next on the T-box. But it makes you kind of question everything before it comes out of your mouth. It was a weird sensation. And you're right. I mean, you know, what I found was I found myself trying to prove how much I knew about the players and their recent history and, you know,

where they sat in the official world golf ranking, all the other stuff. And what was missing was, okay, we just saw Speed putting for par, and he missed it, shot, shot, and now we're back to Speeth, like putting the narrative together of what we're watching and trying to build that instead of trying to prove what I knew. I fell into every trap that I tell young broadcasters not to fall into of being married to your notes and your research instead of just watching what's going on and commenting on that. So it was a steep learning curve. I'm not saying I learned it, but by the end I was like, oh, man, I missed the mark here for a

couple of years now. I've got to get back to what I do, which is seeing, reacting, and trying to build, you know, why somebody is red hot, what kind of a run they're on and where somebody's tournament fell apart, that that is what's interesting to the viewer, I think. You know, I hate to give Frank Nabilo credit, but that's the one thing he's always told me. He's like, watch the screen. Just watch. Yeah.

React. You know golf. React. He's like, you don't need all million notes down in front of you. Yeah, because if you put your eyes on your notes, and I've learned that in baseball, I've learned that in football, I learned that in college basketball, which is faster, and there's not time for all that, but you're missing. All that stuff is stuff that's happened.

What's going on on the screen has never happened. happened before. You don't know what. And if you're missing that, because you're digging through your notes for some crap that you wrote a week prior, you're missing the boat. If a, if a big wind comes in and blows every note out of the booth, you should still be able to do the game or the tournament or the, you know, whatever. You should still be able to do it. And I fell into the trap that I warn guys against all the time. Yeah, it's great advice. I feel like we could go for hours with you, but that's not going to happen. Let's get to the E9 here and have a little fun with Joe Buck.

Okay, Joey. Obviously, incredible career, World Series, Super Bowl. There's going to be a movie made about Joe Buck. Who's playing you? The guys that know me best and could kind of get the subtleties of me, but don't look like me at all. I've known Ham since I was a teenager, but he's way too good looking. I've done a podcast for three years

and probably my best friend is Oliver Hudson but he doesn't look like me so if we have to go for looks which is what I think I'm getting from you maybe our mail carrier who looks really close to me and probably through my mail

and who sends me stuff and who I send stuff to could really capture who I am by the way they're pretty good with makeup nowadays. Cam and Hudson, that's nice. That's a nice lineup. I mean, it's, look. And they can capture you. And it looks like I'm saying. I look like either one of them and I don't. But yeah, they know me best. I mean, Gary Woodland picked Denzel

Washington to play him. They don't really look like that. The bar is pretty low here in terms of resemblance. I'll tell you that. All right, let's see here. All right. I think I heard this on smartless a number of years ago, but I need to know it has the emergency protocol for having to piss during an important

drive change since the pee in the bottle while calling a touchdown fiasco. You want to hear that story or you want to know what you do? I don't know what to do. There are certain booths and they seem to be in the state of Ohio, Cincinnati and Cleveland, where the bathroom at Pittsburgh 2 is a sprint. It's like an AFC North thing. They want the broadcaster to sprint out of the booth to go pee. And all I do is drink hot water during the game. And so once you break the seal, I mean, it's, it is, it is, you're winded by the end of the first half.

And my dad, one of the many things he taught me was don't ever run to a microphone because you're going to be out of breath, but there, there's just no option. So yes, I have peed in a trash can in a Packers, Falcons game at old county stadium in Milwaukee back in the mid-90s because the bathroom was it was like a four-minute exercise and we were out of breaks at the end of the first half. So you know, you got to do what you got to do. Who is in the booth with you at that point? And what are they doing while you're just hanging down in a trash can? I believe Tim Green was my analyst. Gary Lynn was my, the late Gary Lynn, was my spotter, the guy who helps me identify who's who. And he's the one that handed me like a little

water bottle when I said I had to go and I knocked it out of his hand like are you kidding me? A, I could have filled that up. B, I don't have that kind of aim under the gun. So that's when I was wearing a parka, thank God. I made everybody else get out of the booth and then trash can with a plastic bag, you know, like a trash bag in it. I don't know where that trash can went after the fact, but it definitely happened. Yeah. That's going to be in the movie. Listen, you can't just call down to the rest be like, hey, actually delay this a couple more minutes. I got to go to the bathroom. Give me another couple commercials.

I was done. Well done. That's a pros, pro. All right. My next one here, we get the asking for a friend occasionally. So this isn't for me. This is from a guy you might know, two-time Super Bowl champion, Eli Manning. He wants to know if he gets another shot to throw a football at you as hard as possible. Oh, my God. That's such a good story. I just told that story the other day. So the Manning family was always convinced that I was, I and we were too hard on Eli. And I was doing an event for Anheiser Bush.

I was emceeing it. And Peyton and Eli were their paid appearance guys. And Peyton said something to me like, you know, you're awful hard on Eli when he's on Fox. This is back in the day. You know, could you catch a football? And he threw one. Peyton did as hard. I said, like, yeah, I can catch a football. And through the football at me, and I caught it. Then he said, then he gave it to Eli. And he said, you know, you're awfully hard

on his accuracy and whatever. And then Eli threw it at me. And it went right into the ground. And I was like, I rest my case. And yeah, it was, it was a, it was kind of a weird moment, but I oddly got a lot of satisfaction out of that. Let me, let me read the text from Eli. It is pretty well known that Joe always thought I sucked a quarterback. I don't I don't hold it against him, but he was pretty brutal to be out there. Had an event one time where he gave me the chance to throw football as hard as I could at him. I tried to throw it so hard that it nosedived at his feet. That's just pure honesty on every level, every part of that tax is true and I hated it, that his family thought that I forget Troy, that I was hard on him. I hate that notion. So

I've made peace with the Manning family. Peyton's become a good friend. Archie used to work with my dad. I went to Mr. and Mrs. Manning. I was like, look, I would be the same way. If I thought some asshole announcer was mean to my son, I'd hate him too. So it's all good.

But I can't believe he admitted that he threw it. I was like, there you go, Peyton. Yeah, you suck. I was right. Case and point. buddy. That's a good one. All right, Joe,

you got a great story about your first ever hole in one. Yeah, I mean, it's all about timing in this world. A guy named Dan O'Neill,

a golf writer in St. Louis, was following me for golf week. I think it was back. I don't even know. This was pre-covering golf and all that. And he's like,

well, why don't we just go to Old Worson, which is a place I play out here in St. Louis. and he just wanted to play. I know Dan's one of my good friends. He's like, I'll just, we'll play at Old Worson.

I'm like, okay, Dan, that's what you want to do. You want to play golf. You don't want to just interview me at a coffee shop. You want to go play at Old Worson. So he hires Scott Rovack, who's a longtime photographer for the Cardinals and the Blues. And he's following us around, and I'm nervous because I know Dan's writing an article about me playing golf. And I have kind of a shitty front nine.

We go to the back nine. This will be quick. The 10th hole, I make a birdie. The 11th hole is a part 5. I make a birdie. The 12th hole is a part 3 over a little lake. And at that point, Scott Rovack, the photographer's been taking pictures of us all day. He's like, I think I got enough guys.

I'm going to take off. I'm like, all right, see you, Scott. Dan's like, all right, see you. And I turn around. Scott's gone and I dunk it for my first hole in one. Oh, my God. It's paid to be there left 48 seconds prior to me getting my one of two holes in one in my lifetime. The other one coming on that same hole.

And so, yeah, I mean, it was good because the thing with Dan O'Neill was the article was like, Joe Buck has always had great timing. This scribe went to play golf and he got his first hole in one while I was following him around. The bad part of my timing was the photographer left. so I had to take it on my probably iPhone 2 at that point whenever this happened. That is unreal. Damn, I never heard that before. I think we got enough, two boys.

Yeah. That is a, bam. Damn. Fuck it. Oh, it's good. Next one for me. Interesting story about you sending someone to kind of go recruit your now wife, Michelle, when she was an NFL network.

Yeah, the great rich eyes in. Michelle was working for the NFL network. She'd been there for a few years. never heard of her. I'd never seen her. We compared notes after the fact, probably after we got married by different places we had been at the same time. She'd never met me. I'd never met her. And I saw her after a preseason game in Denver. I think I was like almost two full years divorced at that time somewhere in that neighborhood. And I had gone through my little dating phase which we'll save that for a different podcast.

And I saw her, I was like, man, she, I had never believed in love at first sight. Not to be corny, but I was like, man, she just had something about her. And I found, I'm walking, I don't know who that is. And my spotter at the time, not the late great Gary Lynn. His name is Dave Schwabby. He knew everything about her. He's like, oh, that's Michelle Beisner.

She works at NFL Network. he knew every detail about her. I was like, oh, NFL network, I'll reach out to Rich Eisen to see if she was single, married. I didn't know nothing about her. And so I text him, said, hey, I ran across this girl, Michelle Beisner. Is she married or I only saw her from a distance? And he's like, no, she's a great girl. She's one of my favorite people.

I said, well, tell her I'd love to get to meet her and take her for a drink or dinner. and he was playing intermediary or mediary or whatever the word is, matchmaker. And I was texting him and then he was reaching out to her. And then she was texting him back and he was reaching out to me. And eventually he just got tired of the whole process. And he said, Joe's a good guy. Michelle's a great girl.

Joe, here's Michelle, here's Joe's number. Michelle, here's Joe's number. You two work it out. I'm tired to be in the intermediary. Figure it out. And so we were in Green Bay one time. I saw her in a meeting room. And I said, hey, we're going out for a group dinner.

I love to meet you for a drink afterward. And this is more than you asked for, by the way, but I'm giving it to you. I said, I love to meet you afterward. And she goes, okay, call me. I'm at the Hilton. So I call the Hilton. I'm like, yeah, can you connect me to Michelle Bisoner's room? They're like, yeah, we don't have a.

Shel B-E-I-S-N-R. I think it's B-E-I-S-N-R. Yeah, no, nobody under that. I said, how about B-I-E-S-N-R? How about B-Y-S-N-E-R? She wasn't staying there. She gave me the long hotel intentionally because she didn't want to start a relationship. She was getting out of one. Eventually, I wore her down. She texted me. She was coming to St. Louis to cover the Rams. She said, what's a good restaurant in St. Louis? I said, I know a bunch of them, but I have to take you. We went on our first date, and it was over. God. Persistence. Love that.

Just grind them down, dude. Just like a solid run game. Yeah. You know what I mean? Just keep hitting them in the mouth and eventually they give up. And I think this was actually in January where you need a good run game. Yeah. That's great.

That's great. Hilton, yeah, give me a shout. Sorry about that big shot. Wrong place. Oh, that's good. All right, this is actually, this is my last one here for you, Joe. We kind of talked about it a little bit earlier, but, dude, do you have like an elite catalog of commercials going

going way back that you've been a part of. Do you have a favorite? We just talked about your Super Bowl one and if you need a refresher I got a few here that I was perusing. I did a bunch for Anizer Bush. The ones I did for them, I thought they were the most creative. I did a bunch

with the guy Leon. Who was an amazing character that they developed. A great guy, by the way. I ran into him here in St. Louis like two years ago. But these are like from the mid-90s, late 90s somewhere in there. Leon was a great character. He and I thought played off well against each other. And then I did other ones with these comedians that have been in a million things since then, but weren't really well known at the time where a guy

comes up. They run into me in a hallway, and they're like, they're excited to meet me. And, you know, I say I'm, whatever I say. And one of the guys puts his hand up against my throat. And he's like, oh, my God, your voice is like chocolate mixed with velvet or peanut butter with velvet. And I just, they were funny to me. Those are the ones. My parents and Brockmeyer's good. But I think commercial wise, those are the two.

And slamma-a-lama ding-dong was a good one. Slamma. Slamma was great. The good to have a ring was good, too. Yeah. They like played up Troy and, you know, all the pampering and all the shit he gets while you sit there. I'm like, can I just have a bottle of water? Getting neglected.

Yeah. Yeah. Every one of them, I'm the butt of the joke. So that's, I always tell any corporation, any, I'm like, I'll do the commercials, but they got to be funny. Playing back into the stuff we talked about at the beginning of the podcast. And I want to be the butt of the joke. I want to laugh at myself. I want to be the one that gets dumped on.

That didn't work out so well, and I told Artie Lang to do that to me on my HBO show. But that's another podcast, too. Yeah, that's another podcast. By the way, Brockmeier stumbled across that last year and watched it. Fantastic. Good work. He's so good. His area is so good. I recommend that show to anybody, not because I'm in it for two seconds.

Hank Azari is an incredible character. He's unreal. We play golf with George Brett all the time out here, and I had no idea George was in it. And then to find out that's who the girls is like with on the side is George Brett. And all of a sudden he makes an appearance. I'm like, that is unbelievable. It's, it's clever. That started as like a five minute funny or die short.

And then they expanded it amazingly into like at least three, maybe four seasons. I think it's four. Four seasons of a show that, you know, the guys are one of the most unlikable people who you root for and love. That's just good acting. It is good. All right. Last one. You can't put yourself on here, but I need your Mount Rushmore of broadcasters.

I would never put myself. Like you would put the most self-deprecating guy. Can I go sport by sport? You can do whatever you want. Golf is your partner, Nance. Frank Nobalo. Football is Al. Okay.

Baseball's V. or my dad, very different people, and basketball with the tip of the cap to Marv Albert, I'd give it to Mike Breen. I think Mike Breen is... Bang. Yeah, I think he's sensational. What a great dude he is. How many are on Mount Rushmore? Four. I think there's four.

We'll slide another one in there, just hockey. This is a tough one because it's a tough one. I mean, Doc Emmerich is regarded as the best ever, and I know. know why he's incredible and i don't know anybody that can turn a phrase and you know anybody who can say ladles the puck out of the corner i'm all for uh haven't makes sense but there's so many great guys right now uh top to bottom it's a tough pick but i'll just defer to doc that's fair mcdonna's unbelievable i've already i've already kissed his ass by telling uh some other podcast that if if he was on i i would watch the event and it's true because i think sean uh is is equal parts he's emotional which i love

he's exciting uh in the big moments but he's also really honest and and gets into stuff that i don't even touch a lot of stuff that he gets into uh but he has a really good ability to tell stories in and around the action better than i could ever do so uh mcdonna's fantastic he's really good and really good at a lot of stuff as are you joe buck yes we really really I appreciate you, my man. That was a lot of fun. Guys, thank you. Thanks for having me.

And the house is still here, so we're good. I know it. I know it. We look forward to this jeopardy coming up, man. It's going to be a blast. It'll be fun. I'll try to have fun. I'll try not to ruin the entire franchise.

All right, that was Joe Buck, joining us on subpar. Love his stories, man. We could go for hours with that guy, the Eli Manning situation all time. It just worked out perfect. It worked out so perfectly. The Super Bowl commercial, but what is he doing? his sixth Super Bowl now? Yeah.

And all, and he's, dude, he's got a great commercial library. Yeah. And I love what he said. He's like, I like doing it. I like being funny, but only if I'm the butt of the joke. Like, he's always on the receiving end of it. And he does it well, too. He's so self-deprecating.

I feel like he's benefited so much from going on all these various podcasts since they come out. People see him and they're like, everyone likes him, you know? Whereas before he used to take so much shit, I feel like, which was unwarranted because he's good. He's awesome. I love the man. Played some golf with him down in Cabo.

It's all time. He's great. and can't thank him enough for coming on. Jeopardy coming up too. Finally, I watch the Jeopardy. I feel like I normally just wait for one sports category, and I'm like, yes, I can get something. Now it's the whole show.

Yeah, hell yeah. I can't wait for that. I hope there's some horrible performances too. All right. Well, thanks to Joe Buck for joining us. That's going to do it for us. Everyone, enjoy the memorial, and we'll talk to you next week on Subpar.