Subpar - Joe Greiner Interview: The advice he gave Max at Riviera, Cash games with Xander, Phil and Hoffman

Episode Date: October 12, 2021

On this week's episode of GOLF's Subpar, PGA Tour caddy Joe Greiner joins former PGA Tour pro Colt Knost and jicky jack legend Drew Stoltz for an exclusive, in-studio, interview. The man on Max Homa's bag talks the advice he gave him at this year's Genesis Invitational, playing cash games with Phil Mickelson, Xander Schauffele and Charlie Hoffman, and who would come out on top in a caddy/player Tour event.

Hello world. Welcome back to golf subpar. Coltnosed Andrew Stoltz. First off, you might notice. We're in different places right now. My man, Slees, a little bit under the weather. Caught the COVID. How are we feeling, Slees? Oh, my God, dude. I'm back from the dead, and it was looking grim there for a little while. I've had the vaccine. So last week when I started feeling bad, when I got tested, it came back as positive. And honestly, I kind of thought having had the vaccine, I was like, all right, a couple days of not feeling good. I'll bounce back. I've heard some other people that have it like that. I mean, this thing, this thing put me on my ass for about three days, like straight in bed the entire time, been quarantined. On the bright side, it is fall. It was the

weekend, and so there was a lot of football to be watched. Cole, I think I watched no bullshit. I think I watched 13 hours of football straight on Saturday, but every single game across the plate could not keep up enough on the TV with the previous button, just smashing it back and forth, trying to catch every single game.

But I'm feeling a little better now coming back out of this thing, but it's been a bit of a brute, dude. Oh, by the way, worst case scenario, I weighed myself last night. I've lost five pounds. So I basically now, I'm like a human praying mantis. That's basically my body math index. I'm like one of those balloons that flaps around outside of the used car dealership right now. Not a lot of mass on the bones, but I'll be back to being my beastly specimen here pretty soon. I'm coming out of this thing. Well, yeah, and I mean, for the people watching on YouTube right now, they might be a little surprised by your background. I mean, you've got a home gym, a Stolt's Notre Dame jersey.

Didn't know you were a lineman number 60 up there at Notre Dame. I thought you went to TCU. I used to carry a little more weight than I do now back in my playing days, you know, steroids and all that. That's actually my dad's 60th birthday present back there, and the home gym is just strictly for show. I just hang clothes on that to dry and just kind of walk in and look at it. But yeah, I may have gone a little too hard at the member guests this past weekend. You know how that goes. You get the rock forward. You get birdie juice going, you get all the stuff in the system. And this COVID snuck in me like a damn Trojan horse.

It came in while I was asleep, snuck inside me, and this thing is taken over, and it's been a beast. But yeah, good to say. I think I'm coming out of this thing. But, like I said, if you're going to be out for a while, fall in the, you know, fall in the weekend, not the worst time ever. I watched football until my eyes bled. So I got to catch up on that, which is not the worst thing. I thought you were about to say fall in the winter is not.

so bad. Fall in the winter is nothing worse either. That's also, that's one B, if you got to have one. Well, the boys are in, first off, by the way, we can obviously, you know, it is proven now that Red Bull does not boost your immune system because even, I mean, you're hydrated with your Red Bull. Even you couldn't outrun COVID. I don't know, dude.

I could have been out for three to four months if it wasn't for all the Red Bull. Red Bull got in there and did its job. It fought it off. It fought off that front line. And like I said, it just snuck in. while the body was sleeping Trojan horse style and infiltrated the system. There's no way this thing manned up and looked at me square in the face

and said, let's battle. It had to grease its way in during the member guests when I was a little bit intoxicated. Maybe the immune system was down for just a moment and this thing greased its way up in me. Well, the boys up in Vegas are going to be needing some Red Bull to get through back-to-back weeks in Vegas. But let's talk about week number one on the PGA tour.

The Shriner's Children's Open up at TPC Summerlin. where Sung J.M, who used to be your guy, you've definitely moved on from him since then, but Sung J.M. put on a clinic on Sunday, 9 under 62 to win by a four over Matthew Wolf and pick up his second PGA tour win. Used to love betting Sungay every week. And then he got too popular. He started playing too good and everybody was on them and his prices got all whacked out to where they should be. But I had to move on to Corey Connors, as you well know, and Russell Henley. Those are my two guys now. But, dude, what a clinic by Sung Jay.

three in weapon, as the boys on the International President's Cup seem like to call them. But nine under through 13 coming out in the final round. That'll typically get it done. Just a smooth nine threes on his scorecard through 12 holes. And, like, man, he's won before. He won down at the Honda Classic, which is a golf course. Pretty much got to lean on your ball striking around that place.

Hate it. That's where my career ended, obviously. But this place's a little bit different with the weather the way it was on Sunday. A lot of guys hitting a lot of greens. And I think he did it with his putter. You don't shoot 24-100 without making a few puds. along the way, no matter how good you hit it. So I think he's won twice now, and he's one in two pretty different style of golf courses.

Yeah, he is a force to be reckoned with. I think he's going to be a superstar, no doubt about it. He'll pick up a major here in the next couple of years, in my opinion. He's up to 21st in the world, but you mentioned his ball striking. He had 86% of his greens for the week. Just missed 10 greens the entire week, which obviously makes it a little less stressful around TPC someone up there in Vegas, but it's a birdie fest up there, and it shows, you know, he can win on a golf course like Honda where it's hard,

and you've got to plot your way around, and then at a place like TPC Sutherland, where you've got to go extremely low, and that's exactly what he did. Look, he's going to be on President's Cup teams for years to come. He is going to be a major champion in my eyes. I can't wait to see what happens. His ball striking is elite. I mean, when you put together the best ball strikers in the world, he's got to be on that list.

Yeah, when every player that goes out there and plays them, they all come, I'm like, who's impressive, who looks really good? They all come back and say the same guy, son J.M., which is what they said when this guy first came out, then you know there's something special about him. And Colt Witt, I mean, he plays every single week of the year, it seems like, plays 50 events. Wouldn't you play every week if you hit it like he did?

I mean, what's the options? Either don't play or probably go make six figures every single time with the option for seven like he did this week. Not a bad gig. No, he definitely. He's a flusher. But my deal is like, I mean, he's 21st in the world now. If he wants to make that next jump to get possibly top 10 in the world,

which in most players' contracts, there's big incentives if you do, I think he needs to play a little less, in my opinion. With the way the world golf rankings work, the divisor and everything, he almost plays too much. He plays some of the weaker events out there. I know he loves to play. He wants to try to win every single week. But with the way that divisor works, I would like to see him actually play fewer events in the season.

That way he can move up in the world golf rankings a little easier. Yeah, it's so whacked out how those world golf rankings work. You think the more you would play, the better. But if he goes to a weak field and doesn't have a good week, it actually drops him. down that. So and something to be said for that argument, Colt, like he was three weeks off leading into this week, which he never takes three weeks off. It just so happened with the way the schedule worked and things like that. He had three weeks off and he goes out and win. So maybe he does run himself a little bit ragged, but damn, he hits it so good. I feel like every

week I'd be like, yeah, let's go tee it up. I mean, dude just bought a house last year for the first time and forever. He was living out of hotels for a number of years. So I mean, the guy does not like to sit still. But yeah, there's something to be said for that. Like I said, three weeks off and then you come out and win. Maybe that's a little bit of a blueprint for finding the way you play the bet. Well, congratulations to Sung J.M on his second PGA tour win, but it's time to get to our guest for the week. A man that can play some golf in his own right, but he also gets to watch a lot of very,

very impressive golf. He is the caddy for Max Homa. Joe Griner joins us. Joe, one of the best dudes out there can play very, very well in his own right, by the way. one of the best putters I've ever seen. Great putter, great player. Maybe he doesn't quite have the pop played for a little bit out of school there and then latched on with Max.

And, dude, they got a nice thing going right now. Joe is just one of those guys called, like, I love Joe. No matter where you see him, if you walk into the grill and he's in there, you walk into a bar or party or whatever you see, Joe, you just like immediately smile. He's always got good vibes, always, always happy. He's just one of those dudes who want to be around. And I think Max is like transformation with him going through this mental reform and all that stuff.

I think Joe has played a huge part in that because it's hard to be around Joe and not be positive all the time. I mean, he just oozes that sort of confidence. And I think he and Max are built for the long run, like a Greller's beef, bone still, that type of a pairing. Yeah, I totally agree with you. I mean, it's got to be a lot of fun being out there with one of your best friends. They work so well together. And they're both living and dying by every Dodger pitch this postseason right now, watching their L.A. Dodgers try to get another World Series.

They're having a lot of fun. But this interview was a ton of fun. Can't wait for y'all to hear it. Here's Joe Griner on golf so far. This is going to be a fun one here, boys. We got a super dude in the house with us today. The brains behind all of Max Homer's success on the golf course. One of the best caddies in the game.

The hell of a stick himself. Joe Griner, what's cracking? Thanks for having me, fellas. I'm pretty excited. Are you excited or nervous? Pleasure. Both. Both?

I really don't know what you're going to ask me, so I'm pretty... It's going to get personal. Yeah. That's going to be a lot of fun, man. I mean, we've had you on the radio before. It's been great. You and Max have been on a hell of a run. You know,

total you've been part of four wins on the PJ tour. Three with Max home, including two this year in 2021. What has this ride been like with Max? Because, I mean, here's a guy you've known for a long time who struggled for a very, very long time. Now he's one of the best in the world.

Yeah. I would say that I always saw it in him. He's got something real special about him. I don't know what it is, but I always told him that he's a winner. Quayle Hollow, when he won, I was like, he's going to keep doing this. So I'm never surprised when he wins.

Let's rewind just a little bit because we talk a lot about Max. We've heard a lot about Max. But all the players out there talk about what a great player you are. Let's go back in the day. Let's hear a little Joe Griner playing resume on the way up. I've seen it. Oh, yeah. I've still bitter about it.

Yeah, that was a good day. That was a good day. Tell everyone about your come up playing. Yeah, I went to a junior college, played two years there. Played all right and decided I want to turn pro and not go to college. School wasn't for me. So I played three years as a year. a pro two years of Canada one year e-golf didn't make any money you know just got my ass kicked so i

thought man i really love golf i just don't think i could compete at a high level so i started teaching then luckily fell into cadding and it's a pretty good life when you were playing and getting your teeth kicked in i can relate to that did you always know like you went into teaching a little bit where you're like i'm staying in golf for sure yeah i always i love golf and i love competing so i just i knew i had to do something with golf i just wasn't sure what it would be teaching started and then cadding came and it's been pretty good ride when was the first time you got offered a caddying gig oh that's a good question i worked for jason gore at pebble beach i think in 2012 i'd have to go back and look at that um he we grew up at the same hometown and

we played a bunch together and he needed a caddy and he asked me to do it and i worked for him for just one week and then started with Max in 2013 out on the corn now corn bar yeah he max got seven sponsor invites because it's you know his college career amateur career and then we got a sponsor by 2013 of the fries the same term he just won at cord of all he played well made like you know i think he finished in the top 10 he made a little money i made money it was more than 10 dollars an hour i was making at the golf course so he's like hey you want to keep doing this i'm like oh hell yeah i do that's awesome you were all in right from all right from the stuff you're not I mean, first start.

That's a nice debut. Yeah, it's first start top 10. I'm like, gosh, man, that's like a lot of money. Next week was in Vegas. I'm like, yeah, I'm in. Max got the hotel room. I mean, that's all she wrote. That's awesome.

Yeah, that's a whole start. We got to talk a little bit because we had Max on recently. And we were talking about Vista Valencia, which is kind of your, you know, this is one thing you can hold over Max's head. You've got the course record at the course y'all grew up at Vista Valencia, part three course. Yep. Part 27, obviously.

18? 19. Oh, he said. 18, he was giving you an extra shot. He was. I think he said 800, didn't he? Oh, did you say 19? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, 19. Yeah, 8 under for 19. And I grinded. I mean, I fistpump on the last hole. It was like a five-footer and I was like a five-footer. I'm at my home course. Playing with my buddy who's like a 10 handicap, but he knows it's for the course record. Just him and I have this five-footer. I pour in the middle and I fist-pump like I won the tournament max just won. that's a that's gonna be as max said he's like dude i've gone back i said are you gonna go back and you know take this he's like i tried i go back all the time and like 800 through nine don't

give you a lot of wiggle room no and honestly yeah i slammed dunked it on seven i birded the first five slam dunked it on seven and then birdie nine but like honestly i played the golf course more than anyone in the world still to this day i deserve the course record that's how i feel about it grinder's alley he said he said his best chance is when he took lacey on a date and she did all the putting for him. He said he hit it to six feet every hole and she put him for him. Yeah, exactly. That's what he always says. I'm like, you're never going to beat it. Sorry, that's one thing I got over. If that hadn't panned out, that would have been just a waste of a day. Like, that was it. Yeah, that might stand for a long, who's going to shoot 900?

You know, that's a tough one. All right, well, now you're obviously cadding. It's very successful. But say cadding one there. What do you think you would be doing? Do you think it would still be teaching? Yeah, I think I would be something in golf. I'm just too competitive and I love golf too much and know their sport, you know, I was good at or good enough at to compete at. So I think it would definitely be something golf. Maybe teaching, you know, probably teaches my best option. I mean, but you've had a hell of run caddy. Like, I mean, I know you had to spend a little bit of time out on the corn

prayer with Max, but then you go with Kevin Chapel, y'all get a win. He gets hurt. You go back to Max, and you're on the PGA tour again. You're one of the few that's been lucky enough not to really have to spend some time in the minor leagues. Yeah, luckily. Not too much time. Yeah, I spent basically season out there, and that was when I was young, and Max was

young, and no one was making money, and it was probably the most fun you could have cadding. You know, everyone travels together, eats together, you know, goes to dinner together, everything. So that was a lot of fun and I only spent a year out there. So I was pretty lucky. I've always been lucky, honestly, with the guys I've got to work for. We've had a handful of caddies on here. I think our last two were Gino and Fleener, you know well, beauties. But give us a look.

You've been mostly in the major league. Been on tour most of the time, been out there. Give us like a look because Gino's is different. Gino's experience is not the same as everyone else. Give everyone like a look into what the average week is like for a caddy on tour. Yeah, I always give Gino a hard time because he spends as little money as possible. And I'm kind of the opposite where, like, I want to be comfortable. I want to be happy.

Like, I will eat Chipotle twice a week, but I also will go to a nice dinner, you know, once a week and enjoy myself. And maybe stay at a nicer hotel or rent a house with somebody's. So I'm a lot different than Gino. I respect what he does, but I just don't think I would be as happy. Max knows if I'm pissed off cadding, I'm probably not a very good caddy. So happy caddy. Happy player. I mean, Gino's staying in rooms for like $12 a night.

I can't believe it. And like, he's like rolling the dice too. Like you don't know what you're going to get when you book some of these places. You know, especially when it's $100 for the week. I'm like, no. I trust if I'm going to pay $500 for the week or $1,000 for the week, I trust it's going to be pretty good. Who are the guys that you like maybe room with or share a house with?

Who's your hangout with the cab? Yeah. I definitely spent some time with Brett Waldman when I was working for Chap. And then I now I kind of room with Austin Kaiser who works for Zander Big Wave Dave. He works for Sam Ryder. We kind of share some houses. Big wave. Love the big names.

That's my good friend in the caddy circuit. We were paired up in the cluel. I mean, I don't have a nickname. I want a nickname. That's such a good nickname and I got nothing. I got to do something to get it or. What about Hurricane Joe? Well, not many people know about that.

There's so many Joe's out there too. Yeah, there's so many Joe's out there too. It's like, I need something. I need to do something. Duff offered me a nickname, Chance, PJ West, this year, where he told me, if I carry Max's back, like a briefcase, down 17, the whole way to the green, he would call me Briefcase Joe for the rest of my career. And I was, like, thinking about it, and Max, it was on the...

It was on the businessman Bill. Yes, exactly. So it was on the Island Green 17, and Max hits this, like, pitch who edge or nine iron, and it one bounces and stays on, like, off the green, but he's chipping. And I'm like, I can't briefcase it all the way down there, because if I do and I start shaking and I throw his bag in the lake and then all of a sudden, I just couldn't do it. So Duff gave me the opportunity and I just screwed it up.

But did you want briefcase, Joe? I wanted a nickname and at the time it sounded pretty cool and I'm like, I could do it for sure. And then right when he was. We're better than a briefcase. We're going to come up with something. We just standby on that. Before y'all's next event, you're going to have a nickname. Briefcase isn't enough for you.

But you mentioned, you mentioned Zander a little bit. I know you recently moved to Scottsdale. Before that, you were back in California. And you got to spend some time with Zaner. Flander, Phil Mickelson and this other guy, Charlie Hoffman, who we do not like to talk about on this show. But you played a lot of golf with them. Yeah.

You're involved in some of those matches. Yeah. First of all, I mean, how cool is that? Yeah. It was a lot of fun. Living in San Diego, playing money matches with those guys, beating Charlie every time. I own Charlie.

Yes. Does Charlie ever win any money? No, sure that's a highlight of this interview. He knows, too. He's like the worst, like, off-tournament-site golfer in the world. He shoots 73 at his home course, and he has to give me one or two aside, and I own him. And he knows it too.

But Xander, not so much. Zander, I hope that he lands on me because at home he's pretty damn impressive. He's impressive. I heard he owns everyone at home. He owns everyone. I mean, we play the farms, and it's like, it's a really good money game course. It's either you hit in the fairway or you hit in the shit. And every time he shoots 64 and Eagles 18 and wins every bet.

And I'm like, I'm trying to hit three wood, chase it up the green. and he's got seven iron and hits it to 10 feet and makes it. I'm like, if you can get Charlie and Phil to quit gambling with you, you're pretty good. Yeah. That takes a little to do it. Did you know Xander was coming, like before the world knew Xander was coming? Well, like when we started to play, you know, two or three years ago, I'm like, man, he's really good. Like, I'm trying to figure out what he's not good at.

And he loves golf. He loves practicing. And he's really impressive mentally. So you could tell, like, I'm like, man, I don't know his weakness. I can't figure it out still. He's pretty damn good. No, it's unbelievable. I mean, we have the biggest.

and crush on Zander. We had him on our serious X-M show today, and it's just, like you said, you watch his game, you're like, okay, yeah, he's good at everything. He's got, I mean, he's a not quite as powerful version of Rahm, I'd say. I mean, the guy hits it, moves it. Yeah, there's no doubt. But, I mean, he does everything. Yeah, and it was kind of nice to see the President's Cup, like, see a little personality

and him smoking the cigar. I mean, he's such a good guy, and I think he's under the radar for a reason. I think he likes it, but it was kind of nice to see him let loose a little bit. He's not the radar because he doesn't give, like, the loud interviews or there's nothing flashy about him. Like his game is good enough to be, you know, get more recognition than it does. But he doesn't like want that. Yeah.

In my opinion, you get him away from everyone where it's just a setting and he's, he's as much bigger personality than you realize. And he's pretty good trash talker. Yes. He runs the show. Max says like when they're getting worked on after rounds, Zander is running the show in there. And I mean, I believe it for sure.

I love that. He was had a hell of a time at that Ryder Cup press conference too. Gosh. That was what that thing was so fun. All these dudes up there, a little bit liquored up. You got to see, like, here's how they really are. Yeah, it was really nice. I feel like more guys should be liquored up when they do press conferences.

Everyone would like it a lot more. If you remember back, they did that special on Payne Stewart, and they showed back when he was struggling to get wins and stuff, he was sitting up there with a beer in one hand and a cigarette and the other. How good would that be nowadays? It's like those guys make the best. DJ wouldn't shut up. I know.

I know. It was so good. It was so good. Okay. We talked a little bit about your golf game. If you're going to compare your game to anyone on the PGA tour, who would it be? That's a good question. I slap cut it, not very far.

You can roll the rock. I can roll the rock. I got to be probably the Peter Malnadi, I guess, because he does hit it a lot further than he used to, but I think his attitude makes it pretty good, and you kind of fake yourself into being a lot better than you are. So I'd say Peter Malnoughty. Danny McCarthy type just rolls the pill. He rolls a rock. You know what I tell you who I think?

Ted Potter. Ted 100%. Yes. So we play with him in Tampa. I forgot about that. Yeah. And he's hitting these swipe cuts off the tee. And I think he shot maybe two or three under.

Yeah. And people were just screaming, the wizard, the wizard. And for the longest time, I didn't know that people knew that was his nickname. Yeah. I thought it was like just on the tour nickname. But I guess Hooters Tour and Tampa, everyone knew him. This guy was hitting these unbelievable shots, sliced seven irons to like 10 feet and hoop at it. And I kept telling Max, I'm like, Max, this is exactly what I would look like.

You missed 30 cuts, then you win. He was a hooter. I only played a couple Hooters events when I go down there and everyone, all they could talk about is this Ted Power. Like, who is this guy? And I saw him with like, that's the guy.

That's the guy wins all y'all's stuff. And then sure enough, shoots 100 under three rounds, four rounds. I mean, it's crazy. The guy is the streakiest golfer on the play. Like, missed every cut on the corn fairy one year, then goes out on PJ Tour, gets paired with Dustin Johnson and the final group

in Pevo and wins. It's like, what the hell's going on here? He's one of those guys where I think he's going to play well on certain courses and really take advantage of it. And the other courses, they're just, they don't set up great for him. So he just takes advantage of the eight to ten weeks he gets to play really well. Don't doubt a jickey legend. That's true.

He is a legend. If we give Joe Griner a full season on the PGA tour, where do we finish on the FedEx Cup standing? Full season. So I could play every event. I mean, you're not in the WGCs. Yeah, yeah, but I can play every event. You're not in the no cut events. You're not in the Masters.

Get over yourself, Joe. Man. Can you keep your card? A little modesty. No, no, no, no. My game just I just don't hit it far enough. If we played at 60, 700 yards, I'd have a way better chance. What if you played Harboretown Colonial back and forth in the entire year?

You think you could keep your card? That's where I have a chance. Yeah, I do think I could. Anything, I mean, anything where I can either get to the par fives or I'm not hitting five iron all day in, I mean, I think I got a chance. Charlie asked me every year, he goes, if you played the waste management five times in a row, how many times would you make the cut? I'm like, I don't know, maybe I'd probably make it once ago. No chance.

Why'd you ask me to an asshole? Charlie, why do you ask me? You know what I'm going to say and you already know what you're going to say. Hey, Charlie, you almost won there and I kick your ass every day. How many times do you make it, Chuck? I make it about that many times then. That's so good. You and Max go so far back.

What, you're six years old when you guys met? Yeah, he was six. I was Ted, so I'm four years older. And you spend more time together. Did you see that math right there? Yeah. That's quick. Yeah, front edge, quick.

And you spend more time together than you spend more time together than. anyone. There are times and your best friends in the world. There's got to be times though when you guys are a little sick of each other getting little cat fights out there. Yeah, I definitely think there are times like towards the end of the season. I think we're both frustrated. We're both tired. But it's never, you know, we're never really getting upset at each other. I feel like we both just kind of get quiet and frustrated internally, you know, and maybe like we lose what, you know, we lose our friendship a little more and we don't talk as much. But that just happens every year. I mean, I'm with him 30 weeks a year.

And like four weeks straight and we talk every single day. And we're in group texts together where we already like are on the same page with sports and everything. So it's a lot. And, you know, credit to him for dealing with me because he's pretty easy to deal with. You guys are two of the nicest like, I can't imagine either of you like really getting at the other one. Maybe just shutting it down and not talking and ignoring them. That's the only thing that happens is like we never disagree or get him fights on the golf course. You know, we're both, we both want to win.

I want him to play great. and I want him to listen to me, you know, when I feel like I have some type of good advice. But we never really get upset each other. It just gets quiet as all. You did tell me to ask you why you yelled at him at Pebble Beach this year. Yeah, I was a good one. That was a good one. Hey, that lit a fire also.

That lit a fire. But we were- The genesis of that. So we're on the fifth whole Sunday pebble this year. And he's in the bunker and he's got a weird stance. Maybe it was the wrong club. It was pin high, but it was a lot. wrong club. I agree with him there. And he hits a shot and he kind of chunks it, makes bogey or whatever,

and he starts getting real negative. And like my thing with him is like, dude, I don't want to hear anything negative. Like I only want to hear positive out of your mouth. Like negative gets you nowhere. I'm just, that's what I've always told him. I'm like, I don't want to hear negative. And he's getting negative negative. And I go down and I'm raking the bunker. My back goes out like really bad. And I freeze for a second. Max does it see. And I just like gently like lay down, rake the bunk. or whatever, go down there, read his putt, and we're walking to the next T, and he's, you know, he's still negative. And I just, like, kind of snapped at him.

I'm like, Max, you need to shut up. Say something positive one time, and I just lost it on him. And it was like, my back was hurting. And I was like, I didn't tell him that. I didn't tell him that, like, my back almost just went out. I didn't tell him until three holes later. Three holes later, I'm like, hey, Max, I'm sorry, dude. My back went out on that fifth hole, and I kind of lost it on you.

I promise you I'm going to make it. Just I really need you to be positive. He's like, oh, dude, we're good, we're good. Finish his top 10 and wins the next week. So it worked out. There you go. Just a little kick in the ass. My freaking back hurts Max.

You stop in it in damn bunkers. From now on, can you tell us if you yell at him during the week? Because then we'll bet him the next week. Yeah. I'm on the inside info. Yeah. But go ahead. Well, I was just saying, I mean, obviously, you're out there every week.

There's pairings. Max is one of the most popular pairings on the BJ tour. Everybody loves playing with Max. But there's some. some out there that you don't really enjoy with, but there are some you get excited when you see the T-sheet. Yeah. Are you more excited with the players in the group or the caddies?

I would say equal. Probably more players, because if I'm excited for a player, that means Max likes playing with that person and he plays well, like Taylor Gooch. When we get paired with him, Max plays well. They're both really good friends. They don't need to talk to each other, but they also can walk down the fairways and talk the entire time. And we got paired with Taylor on Sunday at Rive, and on 17.

basically Taylor did my job. He was walking down the fairway telling Max this long story, kind of keeping his mind from thinking about winning. And Max ends up making a birdie. And afterwards, I told Taylor, I said, hey, I really appreciate that because we had like a five-minute wait in the fairway. Taylor kept talking to him. And really, that's the caddy's job,

is to keep the player from not thinking about golf. But Taylor took over, told a story, and I'll forever be grateful for him. That's awesome. And Max is a guy. I mean, we know him off the golf course social media. He's the fun joking around guy. guy that everybody wants to be around. He can be a little intense on the golf course.

Like you said, to himself, he walks with a different mannerism. That's one thing I feel like y'all have really worked on over the last year. Yeah, Blackburn, Max's coach, has really harped that for Max, about his body language, you know, keeping his head high. That just goes back to, like, positive thinking and walking like, you know, you're the man. And I think he really did that in Napa. He looked like a different guy. Even when he made that wedge shot, he kind of went like this on 12 or something.

It was like some real swag, and it was really cool. see. It was like, I think he's coming into his own and he's just going to keep getting better. Same thing with the put on 17. Same thing. That put broke like five feet and he like walked it in. I'm like, I just stood shaking my head smiling on the green. I'm like, that's what I'm talking about. Even without the double from Mav at that point on 17. After that, I was like, that's it. Yeah. No, that definitely felt like once we hit the Farrow on 18, I'm like, oh, we're going to post 20 under and we're going to win this thing by two. I want to get back to that in a second, but you brought something about Taylor Gooch. He did your job for you. He's talking to Max is keeping

his mind off of everything. Let's go back to Rive this year. Seventy-second hole, Max has a little shorty to win, ends up missing it. Immediately he's got to go into a playoff with Tony, which you guys end up winning. But give me the time from he signed his scorecard to teeing off on the first tee. That had to take some of your best caddian skills because that thing most people thought it was done. I see another person doing my job for me because he signed his scorecard. I said something to him walking up or something about we're going to win the playoff or something. Then we get done and we have to wait for the group behind us to finish. So he calls his wife. and his wife's talking to him and she gave some great advice.

I can't remember what she said doing. Forgive quickly. That's it. Thank you, Colt. Good cadding. I'm a good caddy. And for whatever reason, when he got off the phone, he seemed, he didn't seem down. He seemed excited.

We went to the range, and I told him on the range, I said, Max, this is your favorite golf course. There's your favorite tournament. And this is your city. You're going to win this golf tournament. Went out and, you know, hold 10. When he hit it behind the tree, it was like, man, like, he hit a really good drive. it got screwed. Once again, he wasn't panicked, though. You know, he was right behind a tree and like, I had no idea if he could hit it on the green because, you know, I just couldn't feel if he could.

All of a sudden, he hits it to 10 feet. I think it rattled Tony enough for him to miss that, you know, five or six footer, and then he wins on the next. Did you talk him into that hooded wet shot? No. That's the rumor going around. No, no, because the thing is, I'm involved in a lot of shots, but that one was, I'm left-handed and he was right-handed behind a tree. So I couldn't get in there and feel like, oh, you know, what can you do here? So I was not involved at all. He's like, oh, it's hooded 50. I'm like, okay, do it.

Shoot your shot, bro. Yeah. Pan at Rift, great hole, not great hole. I don't think it's a great hole when it's firm. I think the green just cannot be as firm as it should be. If it's soft, I think it's a better hole, but firm, it's a little ridiculous. It seems like it's gotten so kind of. It just keeps getting more and more severe.

Yeah, exactly. That back pin is impossible. I promise that they can afford it to fix it a little. bit. All they would need to do is flatten it because the firmness of it would be good. They need to do one. They need to flatten it or it needs to be softer. So most likely good weather, L.A., they just need a flatten it. When you see the best in the world every year, someone's making seven or eight with lob wedge in, it's like, at some point, it's like, okay, this might be a little. That back pin is just. And it's so weird because it's like two 90 to the front. You're like, all right, just hit it just left of the green, but then you hit it behind a tree or then you got to hit a chip onto the green that breaks, you know, six feet. Just it's a very. It's a very. It's a very. really diabolical hole. It's the only 300 yard par four in the world people will take par on and go to 11. Yes. Just get me out of it. Every time you show up, you're like, if I play this whole, even par for the week, I'll be good. Yeah. The whole field. Okay. Speaking of here, I know that tournament's very special to you. It's Max's favorite golf tournament. Take

that out of the equation. And obviously the majors, because those are in the league their own. You can pick one tournament for you and Max to win. What would it be? San Diego? Yeah. Just because I, I think that's the, next one he is going to win. I think it's perfect for him. I think it sets up great for him. And one day I told my buddy like two years ago, I'm like one day he's going to win this golf tournament.

I was watching the part in my take the other day with him. And Big Cat was like, you're just a shitty away player. You can only play in your home state. Why don't you win in a state where there's not the highest state income taxes in the world, you hit. Winning Texas. Yeah. Max sets up it too.

He's like, dude, I keep winning in California. I go, dude, it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. That's 13 and a half percent. They're going to Florida and Texas. They're going to get their money one way. or another. Yeah. Just keep winning, bud. Max, Ray, was one of the coolest things I think about Max. He's quick, just like you are, man. He was always giving credit to other people. They heap and

praise on him. He sends it somewhere else and he raves about your ability as a caddy. Do you have like full veto power on Max? Like if he's like, dude, I love the eight and you're like, dude, uh-uh. It's a seven or on Reading Greens. Do you have full authority? Um, I wouldn't say on reading Greens. I would say maybe more so in certain situations. If we're ever in the rough, it's really hard for me to veto him because he feels alive. But there are times like even in the final round, you know, there are times where he gets nervous and it's happened at Riv on 16

and it happened at Fortnite on 15 where he like said, oh, I kind of want to chip the seven. I go, nope, eight iron. Because I know he's going to hit a good. I know he's pumped up and I just know that if I give him the confidence like where I don't hesitate and I say max it's an eight iron, he'll grab in, he'll rip in, he'll hit a good shot. It's nice to have a guy you know he's going to hit out of the middle of the face every time.

He hits it so far out of the middle that it's not that hard to caddy for. I'm like, it's way harder to caddy for myself where I'm like, you know, healing or tone it. Yeah, exactly. But with Max, I'm like, man, if he just draws his Aderon, he could hit it 185. And Max is like, really? I'm like, yeah, you can trust me. No, he absolutely does striping. It's fun to watch.

But you do have to, I mean, that adrenaline, that's one thing, I don't think y'all say it out loud, like Greller and Speeth, they talk about, they're like, Well, five more yards for adrenaline and all this. I mean, they're very, very vocal. Yeah. Which I feel like y'all are, too. I mean, the TV broadcasters gave you a ton of credit at Quail Hollow, getting him around for that first PJ Tour win.

I mean, you were in his ear the entire back nine. Yeah. I mean, you got to be proud of yourself for the work you've done with Max. Yeah. And Max makes it really easy, too. He allows me to be involved and he trusts me. He never makes a swing and, you know, looks at me and it's like, what was that?

Like, he just moves on from it. He trusts me over the time. So he gives me the ability to be really common. confident with my job. So I never doubt myself. And I think it makes us a great partnership. Let me ask you this. Max's gotten a lot better as a play. The last year has been incredible, right? He's gotten better physically. His golf swing looks fucking perfect. And his mental games a lot better. How have you gotten better do you think as a caddy over time from when you started in now? That's a great question. Unscrews the pin a little more often.

There you go. You can take this right. Got a little quicker at that. We just take this one. Yeah. The nice thing is if your player gets better as a caddy, you probably get better too. I'm just lucky that Max has, you know, really been playing well. And I'm just, I'm really lucky to have a boss like him. It's suck to you guys win. And then you have like the Ryder Cup comes and you got some weeks I'm like, dude, we're hot right now. Well, so last year when he won Riviera, that was our fifth in a row. Then we played three more. So we played eight in a row after his win last year. And what I told Max when the season finished, I said, man, I really felt like you were really tired at the end of the year. And I think it came from playing eight in a row. Unfortunately, it was a WGC.

Arnold Palmer and then the players. You just skip that one. Yeah. So we couldn't skip. You know what? You're guessed. We just, it happened that we couldn't skip any of these tournaments and we had to play eight in a row.

And unfortunately, towards the end of the season, I think he was just so tired. He was just not himself. We weren't, we weren't great as a team towards the end of the year. So having a couple weeks off when the season ended and then winning and being able to kind of relax, I think it's really good for me. I think people listening might say, oh, why didn't you just skip Bay Hill? people don't understand he's sponsored by MasterC it's part of the contract he had to play that week

and you're not going to skip the WGC where it's free money and a lot of world ranking points and then it's the players which is a hundred million dollar person yeah it's like one of those rare times where you know it just he happened to play really good and get in these tournaments and we just had to grind it out for a in a row and we'll learn from it we'll set our schedule to

prepare never to have to play in a row okay well how much sorry um how much was like the writer Cup and East Lake on y'all's mind consciously towards the end of the city because you were right there on both yeah i think east lake was for sure i don't think rider cup the weird thing about you know golf when you're in this situation max is in is like the only way it's going to happen is if you play good golf like it's not so he had to play really good he had to win a tournament to even be looked at for the rider cup you know the last half the year and he had to play really good coming in so we both knew like

it was right there for us but there's nothing you could do you don't want to try harder you don't want to work harder. You want to stick to your process and do what you do. And unfortunately, it didn't work out, but he's number one on the FedEx Cup right now. Off to the nice little start. You need about 50 rainouts in a row. Get this out of here. But, you know, the Ryder Cup, I know, is a goal of his. You've been able, you've caddy on some of those, on one of those teams. The President's Cup in 2017 with Kevin Chappell. What are those weeks like? I mean, we just finished with the Ryder Cup. We were there. I mean, it was one of the coolest things I've ever been a part of. What was it like for you? Yeah, the President's Cup. It was really special. I think it's really cool. And a lot

players, it braced it really well. For the caddies, it's awesome because we all hang out at night and we're all on the same team. So we're all cheering for each other. We're all drinking a little bit and we're just experiencing this unbelievable week together. And I think Max would be incredible on a team like that because he's such a team guy. He's so good to me as a teammate and he'd be so good on a team because he would do whatever it took and he'd have a great attitude. He'd sit out every match or he'd win every match. So I think if he were to make a team, he'd be really, really valuable. Have you paid the Seagull back for the shot to the head he gave you at Liberty National? No, no. Have you seen this? What's the shot to the head? Oh, man. Did he do-do on your head?

Do you fly right over? That's his, that's his native environment, bro. First off, I think the match was tied, and we're on 17, and he had 105 yards, and he missed the green, and then he hit this unbelievable chip and chipped it in, and he was running at Chap, and I was also running at Charlie to who knows what I was thinking. And then last second, I'm like, oh, no, Charlie's like really big. So I ducked and he got me with his forearm. And Charlie is a big. Yeah.

He's a lot bigger than you would expect in the form. And then we get on the next T-box and my head's hurting. I'm like, I'm like, dude. And we were tied and like we needed to focus. But I'm like telling Brett Charlie's catty. I'm like, dude, my head hurts. I don't know what happened. And then we saw the video 10 minutes later.

I think Charlie caught me with his beak. I think it's beak me right in the dome. But I mean, our. Is that event, like obviously you're during PJ tour events, it's just you and Max, you are just getting ready. There's the team. But is that something like, I mean, that's got to be some of your best memories in golf, though,

because it's so different than anything else. It's so much different and it's just a lot of fun. You know, each week, basically it's Max and myself first everyone else. So it's competitive and, you know, you got no one on your team. And then all of a sudden you have 10 or 11 of the best players in the world on your team, cheering for you, giving you advice about the golf course.

You have Tiger Woods, Fred Couples, all these guys on your team trying to help you. You got Fred Couples grabbing you, hugging you, and you're like, is this real life? Like Fred Couples is talking to me. And I had a moment with Tiger where we talked for five minutes. I grew up in Valencia at Valencia Country Club. He lost in a playoff to Billy Mayfair. And I just wanted to jog his memory, if he remembered. And he remembered every single thing that happened that day.

It was so impressive. And he was talking to me about the putty mist. And I'm like, is he talking to me? Like, he was, like, so engaged. I'm like, man, this might be the greatest moment in my life. You know, and Tiger's the only probably person in the world that if he talks to you, like, you're like, oh, my gosh, this is awesome. Like, this is real, I was starstruck. Easy to remember playoffs he lost when you never lose any other ones.

That's a good. Yeah, that's crazy. Like that, he's crazy like that. He's crazy like that. He's like when you're 12, I used to be able to tell you from two weeks ago, every shot I hit in her now. I'm like, when did the last, you know, I can't remember the first whole place I played. And when you share, like, a week like that. on the President's Cup with people.

I got to think that bond that you have with those guys, not only the players, but the caddies as well, like that's something like forever. For sure. Every time you see those guys, like, yo, remember? For sure. Every time you see the guy you've been on a team with, they're just an extra, you know,

what's up, man, how you doing? How's your family? All the girlfriends or wives hang out, so we all know each other a little closer from that week. So that's really the cool thing about it too. Yeah. It's kind of corny to say, but it's like you came back from battle.

Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah, for sure. And the sports version of that. Yeah. And to win like they did, they were such a dominant team. It was just a lot of fun. Well, we mentioned earlier, your golf game is really good.

There's a lot of other good players that are caddies on the PGA tour. Where does Joe Griner rank amongst the caddies with his golf game? I would say... Just bury them. Tell us who's shitty. Yeah, tell me he thinks they're good, but sucks. I would say in match play, I got to be one of the best just because my game kind of pisses off a lot of guys. I played a lot of golf with Brett Wallman, who is, without a doubt, one of the most talented best players. He played on Corn Ferry for a year back of the day.

He swings it pretty, putts it pretty. But, you know, sometimes my 265 cut and then my hybrid at 10 feet, make a putt would kind of piss him off. Are y'all the same dude? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And the opposite size of the ball. Same dude.

Yeah. Very similar. He's a little more consistent, but very similar distance. And, you know, we've got to hit a lot of hybrids. We should ride in the car together. Yes. People would rather see you pull the six iron out of the bag than the hybrid. Yeah, exactly.

I'm like, fucking hybrid got. He laid up to a perfect. This could be bog. This could be bog. Yeah. Yeah, but I would say, you know, man, there's so many good players. There's a lot of good ones now. Yeah, in the last five, ten years, I feel like it transitioned to a lot of guys that used to play

and decided they weren't going to make it. And you can make a living cadding. And, you know, we play golf probably everyone brings their clubs every week. So we try to find a good golf course. But, man, there are so many good players. I heard Travis Perkins obviously played for a while. Yeah, Travis Perkins played on tour. for a while.

Philip Moloka, who used to caddy. Philip Malaca, good, great player. He played with him this year in Palm Springs. He got off a red eye.

Met us at the golf course. And he shot like three under off a red eye, like kind of puring it all around. I'm like, he was a really good junior in college. So there's so many good players like that. Ellis is good.

John Ellis is really good. He just loses his mind. He has the worst brain in the history of mankind. Does he? Oh, dude. He tells me. He's like, dude, I'm so, I'm so different. I was a caddy.

I'm like the most, I'm like, there's no way. He is the guy that would three putt, you hit it on a par five and two on the first hole, three putt, break his butter on the first one. And then putt with his seven, and then his seven hour going to lay. The stuff he says to dove is just so funny, though. Like, he'll like pump him up,

but he will also humble him very quickly. Oh, he'll be like, your shit. Yeah, you should quit. I'm better than you and I suck. We should go home now. All the time. All right. All right. All right. We did this last time.

Yes, let's do this right here. Gino and Fleener. We did a little, you know, what caddy is most likely to, what player is most likely to. Got us in a little bit of a shitstorm. You guys got in trouble? No, no, we didn't get in trouble. Just Brett Walbin got upset. A couple of Brett Walbin to get upset.

There's another caddy that got really, really upset about an answer, but. But it's fine. These are harmless. I've only got one because I didn't know we were doing this. All right, let me start then. You go in the middle then. All right, I'll give you one right now. Caddy, most likely to tell their player to jack an extra putter or two from the practice

screen so they can use it, keep it for themselves. Ooh, that is a great question. This list could be long. Yeah. Okay. How do you get his player to get him a putter? Yeah, like, hey, snag me a camera in Newport. Oh, man.

I just broke mine. That's really hard. I got to think of somebody that plays a lot of golf that I don't mind thrown under the bus. Yeah, this is mostly just for you just shit on anyone you want. God, who would it be? I'm trying to think of who would be. You guys stump me on the first question. That is a good question.

Just say someone you like to hate on, whether it's true or not. That makes it more fun. You know, I'm just going to hate on Big Wave Dave. Big Wave, there you go. What a name. Big Wave Dave. Yeah, he's just done. All right.

Which Caddy is most likely to fly to Vegas immediately after a wind and blow their entire winner's check? Ooh. What is all of the above? Yeah. All of them. Maybe me, because if I get drinking and I go to Vegas with Max, I'm probably going to let it ride. So I'll put myself out there.

Yourself? You're going to fire? What's your game? I used to play a lot of blackjack. I'm actually not nearly as crazy a gambler as I used to be. I'm a little more mature now, but if we win and go to Vegas, I'd be real scared.

What if you win in Vegas? You're going up there soon. I would probably have to fly home. Sunday night. You lose it all in there? They'll probably fly you home and back out there again. All right, give you my next one.

Caddy, most anxious to get in a fight with a fan who was heckling their guy. So the caddy who I think is going to fight? Most anxious. Like, if someone's heckling, I'm ready, he's going to throw quick. Man, I mean, I feel like I'm so scared of animal. Like, I just never know what he's thinking. It's Gary Matthews.

Yeah, tell everyone. Yeah, he's just never know what he's thinking. I don't know if he likes me or hates me, but I would not, I'd be so scared to that guy if he went in the crowd. And I feel like you could piss him off very easily. I feel like there's a few ready to flex. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. I mean, Steve Williams back in the day, but that was kind of warranted.

I mean, Jesus. You had to. Yeah. Yeah. And I feel like that was just part of the job. Like you're going to, you're just going to be the bodyguard, and you're going to take care of everything for me. I'm going to hit the golf shots,

and you're going to make sure no one, you know, takes a picture of my back swing. Okay, I'm just going to reverse my last question. Which player is most likely to fly to Vegas after winning and blow his whole winner's check? Joel Damon. Yes. Your arch nemesis.

But he's also the most fun guy in the world. So, I mean, I love that. I hope that I'm flying with him when he wins. Beautiful. I might throw Wyndham in that man. mix as well. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I'm never, I've never really hung out with Wyndham. We played so many practice rounds with him and I know he's a good time, but I guess he just never asked

me to hang out with him. He's not afraid. I'm not afraid to fire. My last one, I got an answer for this one. I'm interested to see if you go with the same. Caddy most likely to have a criminal investigation launched on him based on his Google search history. Wow. I'll answer for you. Okay, give me your answer. And tell me if you disagree. Just in York, dude. Oh, yes. There is no doubt, Bird Dog. There's no way the feds aren't already on him. I mean, he sends me these videos and I'm like, where do you get this stuff from?

He also has the best jokes ever. So if you ever need a joke or you ever want to hear a joke, you just go right up to Bird Dog. Every practice round, he tells. Justin York, Caddy for Chesrivy. Yes. He's a 10, by the way. He tells the most unbelievable jokes. I'm like, where do you get this from?

He just walks over and, like, kind of whispers this to you. And then it's like, oh, my God. I'm always like, all right, what story is you going to tell me? And then all of a sudden I'm like, oh, this is a joke. He's a perfect combo with Chess. He's like the quietest of it. And then New York just has this darkness to him. And Chess just walks ahead while bird dogs just blabbered.

He's got to get rid of his laptop every six months. Just to get off the grid. Hey, great answer. That's the only answer you could give. That's fantastic. All right. Now we get to the emergency nine. Okay.

Joe, this is nine fun questions to learn even more about you. We ask this to everyone. You can trade lives with anyone for a day. Whether they're dead or alive, you should get to beat them for a day. Who would it be? Mookie Betts. God, I knew it was going to be a Dodger. Wow.

Biggest diehard dodging in the world. Yeah, and I just feel, I wasn't sure because I was either going to go Corey Seeger or Mookie Betts. You can't go wrong, but I'm just like, Mookie is like an unbelievable bowler. I heard he's a great golfer. I'd love to be great at bowl. He has like five, three hundred games. Everyone talks about.

He's good at everything. And I'm like, all right, I wonder what it's like to wake up and be good at everything and be one of the best baseball players alive. 400 million. And his name's Mookie. Yeah. You get called moochie all day. That's not the worst.

All right, here we go. Worst injury you've suffered on a golf course. Chip tooth on 15 at Memorial or the broken hand at the Travis Matthew in a game of two-hand touch football. That is a tough one because one, I had so many drinks. I didn't know my hand was broken. The other one didn't really hurt that bad. I was dead sober because I was catting for Max.

But I have to say the hand. Because when we got done, my hand was swollen. And I'm like, oh, I think I could play tomorrow. and then I woke up the next day and it was like this big and I'm like, what am I doing? I need to go home. In the middle, after day one, right? Yeah, what happened with the tooth?

That's a good question. I don't know what happened with the tooth. All I know is I was picking my tooth. All of a sudden I went like this and I looked and I'm like, ooh, that's weird. And I flipped it off and I was like, wait, that's my tooth. Hold on. Don't hit. Don't hit.

And Max is about to hit this chip. He's got this really hard chip. And we had some time. We were playing with Xander and he was taking a little while. And I'm like, hey, Max, Will you do me favor? Look at my tooth. He looks at it. He's like, what happened? I'm like, I have no idea, but it is not there anymore.

Don't hit. I need to find my tooth. You got to put it in milk. Yeah. Is it true your most popular advice to Max when things are going bad on the golf courses? Thank God you don't look like Charlie Hoffman. No, but that will be my next advice. Next time he's going somewhere dark, I'm just going to say that. You don't look like Charlie.

It could be worse, bud. Yes. I know you're 12 over, but. Yes. Tomorrow you're going to wake up, you're going to look like you. That is such good advice. That is perfect caddy advice. I'm catty and weld today.

You are. That's it. That's like hit a tiger shot. That always works. Always works. All right, my next one. What sort of extreme training do you have to do each week to make sure you can walk at the same pace as Max? That had to take some time.

I gave up a long time ago. We've talked about him walking a little slower and he does a good job of slowing down sometimes, but there's times where he beats me to the ball. And I just give up. and I talk to the guys, and every time they're like, does he always walk this fast? I go, yeah, man, he does. And they always ask me, like, do you ever catch him?

I'm like, no, I stopped trying. Like, I literally would be so tired if I walked as fast as him. I would have to run with my little legs. He's got long legs. It just would not work. He moves. He moves. And he's gotten better.

I think he's making an effort to walk a little slower, but at times, you know, he just walks really fast. It's a very distinct walk, too. Yeah, it is. Yeah. Like DJ has a strut and Max has, like, the rigid like just speedwalk. Yep, exactly.

All right, well, you're obviously a huge Dodgers fan. You got your Dodgers hat on. Last year they win the World Series, and part of your deal was if they win, you'd shave your incredible beard off. Okay, I hear the same deal as on the line this year. Same deal. Okay.

If I could guarantee you a three-peat, would you shave your beard, your eyebrows, and every other piece of hair on your body? Yes. Wow. That much, Colt's trying to get you and Max just straight hairless. Max is going to go completely hairless to be on the ride-up team. Like three in a row? Yes, I cried when they won.

I mean, it was amazing. I've watched every game my entire life and they finally won. They break your heart every year. It'd be like if the Cowboys won, you would probably... Don't bring the Cowboys into it. Well, you shave my head. I'll shave my head if the Cowboys went. I heard it here first.

Yeah. Hey, they covered. Dude, they're two and one. They're doing great. Yeah. Look out. They're fine. By the way, the Dodgers.

I mean, you'll have like 800 million in pitching. Are you Lakers like Max? I was more Lakers when we had Kobe. Once Kobe retired and we got LeBron, like, I have no issues against LeBron. It's just like, it's hard to be a Kobe guy and then be a LeBron guy. They're just hard to be a LeBron guy. Yeah, they're just different. I mean, he's fine.

He's an incredible basketball player, but they're just something that's, you know, a little bothersome about him. So I don't watch nearly as much basketball as I did when Kobe played. It's why you're way more likable than Max? He's just piling on this freaking super team. Yeah, he loves Lebron. Sorry, the season's already ruined. All right, we touched on this a little bit,

but this is a little bit different. If the Zurich Classic became a player caddy tournament instead, same format. Are you and Max the betting favorite? Yeah, we would win. We would win. There's no doubt. I like that.

Yeah. Yeah, that would be a really fun idea. If you could get people to buy into that, that'd be a really, like, a one-dayer. I think people would watch that. Well, I... Yeah, 100%. I think that'd be a cool idea.

If they jacked that and that becomes a thing, we all get paid. I also think, like, one time we should do, like, a caddy tournament where all the players have to caddy for their caddies. I think that would be incredible. And you can just treat them like shit, throw clothes over here.

The one shot y'all hit at 17 at soft. Like people tune in like, yo, who's leading the caddies thing? Yeah, they love it. I mean, I think one day a player caddies, some sort of team format, do it like best ball nine holes and then alternate shot nine.

There'd be so many good teams and it'd be so fun to watch everyone compete. That's not a bad idea. That's a great actually. Until Waldman and Cage Lee wins. Someone's going to steal that. Yeah, they might. They might.

Someone's going to jack that idea. We will sue. All right. Number seven. Okay. Max is out of the pitcher. He pretty much, he won the lottery, and he's never playing golf again.

Things are good for him. But you got to keep caddy him. You can pick any current PJ tour player to caddy for. Who's it going to be? That's a good question. I feel like everybody's kind of off limits, but... No, no, no, it's just... It's not going to happen.

It's just, who would you... Go ahead. You're number one picking the controversy right now. I'm going Zander. Yeah, that's a back to do you pick Zander. Well, shit, can you disagree? No, no. There's no bad...

There's no bad... There's no bad picks, but, but, I mean, kyes his caddy does such an incredible job and i feel like you know stevie yeah he is little stevie little stevie he's so mad hey who owes you dinner or something zander both both yes i mean i got nothing except zander did come on the podcast oh so kaiser o kaiser's done nothing for so basically his appearance fee is like 400 grand i mean yeah are you guys going to vegas no for the tournament no not as a gym game that should be the payment yeah the kaiser i mean he made like 40 grand that

week because of that. Yes, I know. He for sure owes you something. He's buying me dinner. Yeah. Yeah. You know, I'm a cheap date. Yeah, without question. All right, here we go. Do you ever find yourself standing by the bag watching Max hit a shot and think that should be me? No. I told Max I was going to ask you. He's like, yes, yes, ask that. No, I'd never think that because I always think like, I'm like, you're way better looking. He hits it so good. Like, I could never do what he's doing. But it is fun to tell him where to aim, where to hit it, because he's so good at it. It makes me look good sometimes so I could never do what he's doing yeah it's like I'm gonna ask Joe this you think it's like a hundred percent joint all right last question all the caddies out there that

hang around each other they know each other occasionally a new guy comes in every now and then what was your first thought when you heard about this idiot new caddy wearing golf shoes to caddy for windham clark I heard about that guy I heard he was a fucking good caddy I was wondering like what he was thinking because most golf shoes don't look that great anyways like Nike all Nike shoes that aren't golf shoes look really cool What are you doing wearing golf shoes? I have heard about this guy. What kind of...

Is he as big and strong and good looking as everyone said he is? What kind of shoes were they? I don't know, dude. It's all like a folklore. It's like Sasquatch. I hear some shit. I don't know what to believe. I just heard he was a monster.

He had a unit. He had a lot of cool shoes. A lot like Greg Norman and he just was a catty and God. Dude, I've heard he's never made a bogey on the weekend. I did hear that. You're right about that. I don't know who this guy is, but man,

you can wear whatever he wants. That is unbelievable. I told Wyndham to hit a tiger's shirt. 17 times that week and he never hit a tiger shot. You're the only guy that's ever told the guy, he hit a catty shot when you're in the most extreme situation and it actually worked. I'm 28 feet with a wedge.

That's not a caddy shot by it. Or that's not a tiger shot, by. That's great. With Joe Griner, you're the man. Thanks for joining us. That was a lot of fun. Thanks, brother. Appreciate you, man.

Appreciate you, man. Thank you. That was our man, Joe Griner joining us on golf subpar, caddy for Max Homa. First off, the first thing I took away from that sleaze is that he owns Charlie Hoffman, the Seagull, which couldn't make me happier. Does anyone in San Diego not own trial? Like, who does he win money from?

He better hurry up and get back down to San Antonio and get that paycheck that he lived by down there. But it seems like everybody, Xander already retired him from playing. Things like Phil gets his ass. Griner gets him. So I'm not sure who he's taking money from. Luckily, he seems to play pretty well every time he steps out on the DJ tour. Yeah, but I mean, how about that for a caddy like Joe Griner, getting to play games when he used to, he lives here in Scottsdale now,

but when he was back home in San Diego, I mean, he's teeing it up with Phil Mickelson, Xander Schoffley, and Charlie Hoffman. How cool is that? Yeah, there's not many caddies that are getting that game out there. And that just speaks to what, like, he's obviously a very, very good player. But I feel like there's more and more guys now going that way

on the PJ Tour with caddies that also played that are good. You can talk to guys a different way. You have a better just understanding, I think, especially someone that's been around Max as long as Joe has. They clearly have that. But just being able to explain something to the guy as a player and seeing the shots having hit them yourself. I feel like there's more guys going to caddies that have at least some sort of playing

background. And I love that he holds having that course record at the course they grew up in over Max's head. I love that. That's going to be a tough one to break. I mean, you shoot. Yeah, you shoot that on a part three course. Not many people are going to have a chance to beat that one.

Eight under? Yeah, you're going to need a hoop in there. You're going to need not many bad shots. It sounds like Max's only chance he had at that thing. He let Lacey pot for him, which thank God they ended up getting married and that worked out or else that could have been a waste of a one-time chance to clip that thing. But, dude, I love the game, the player and caddy most likely. Max, Joe is so nice that he's hesitant to throw anybody under the bus.

But I've never seen a guy pile on more quickly when it was, who's the guy most likely to go under federal investigation for his Google history? Justin Yorne immediately, like, yep, yep, that's the one. York's got some demons in there in that search history. Yes, he does. That was great. And also, he didn't hesitate either. Player most likely to blow their entire winners check in Vegas, Joel Damon.

Of course. Why wouldn't it be? 100%. That's almost like a feather in your cap when someone said. Most of these are like negative things. You don't want your name answers. That one pretty damn good. And I could not concur more with that.

They also asked them betting favorites if the Zurich turned into a player caddy. Joe and Max would be right there. What are some other teams you would throw up that would have a chance against Joe and Max player caddy combo? Sam Burns, Travis Perkins, dangerous. Travis Perkins has played on the PGA tour. Brett Waldman and whoever he plays, whoever he's caddying for at the time. Right now, that's KH Lee.

They could be a problem. But there's a few out there. There's some really, really good goals. Oh, yeah. Philip Mollica. With Patton, that would be a good team. Ellis and Windham, if Ellis doesn't break every club in his bag on the front nine, they would have a great chance.

They would definitely self-inflode. Alternate shot, I think that thing would just come off the hinges at some point. But I love our kids. caddy episodes. They're so much fun. You get a different perspective than we do just from the normal PGA tour players we sit down with the caddies bring it and I love sitting down with them. Yeah, dude, Joe was all like nervous before he came like, I don't like to do me. I'm not very good at this sort of stuff. And by the end of it, I was like, dude, what's the problem? You're, you are a 10. You're built for this stuff. You're way better than Max.

Easy there. Easy there. Had a blast with him, though. I love you, Max. That is a relationship that's going to last a very long time. And I mean, they're going to be so successful. It was awesome. How to Blassie. sitting down with Joe Griner. But now it's time to get to some gambling sleighs. And last week, our fan dual picks, obviously the number one sports book in all the world, you know, it was struggle.

Because my favorite with Drew before he teed up, and we had already filmed this episode, so that was a little bit of a problem. But my backup, Taylor Gooch had a nice little week, tied for 11th. But overall, not our best start in Vegas. But here's the deal. It's never good to come out on fire in Vegas,

because then you've got to just try to hold on. We got two weeks. Back-to-back weeks in Vegas, now's the time we get hot week two, so that way we go home winning some money. Of course, dude. You cannot go too hard too soon in Vegas. Rule number one. You go big the first night, there's zero percent chance you're walking out of there with Kat. Well, it is time to add a little excitement to your golf watching experience by betting on it at the Fandual Sportsbook. There's a reason why Fandual is America's number one sportsbook. First off, their app is very simple to use. They've got great odds on all different betting markets, unique fun bet types like same game parlay,

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there in the field, which I think will be very, very high on. But for the most part, this will be the first time these guys have seen the summit. Yeah, as the discovery property out there in Vegas, not too far off the strip, typically discovery properties some of the best hangs in all of golf they got the best stations you can gain if i want to gain my five pounds back i just need to go one round around one of the discovery properties but colt knott's most difficult golf courses in the world i have not personally played summit yet but uh i believe they're changing it to a par 70 to try to protect par a little bit more but i expect some low scores this week out in baggis you know i was kind of thinking the same thing i te i was texting

with kevin kisner the other day talking about the summit i was like just if it gives you any confidence I shot 29 around the back nine there. Don't worry. But on that day, it was a perfect dome out there. He just texted me before we came on the show. He goes, there's absolutely no way you shot 29 here. You can't get to some of these holes on the back nine. So either they added some length or there's some pretty tough conditions.

He did say it's blowing about 20 miles an hour there right now. So listen, we don't know what we're going to get in. Or you just blow it by Kisner. Yeah, or you should hit the gym. Go to my man Sleeves' house. He's got a home gym right there. Tighten up a little bit. Get you some black curls right over here, bro.

All right. let's get to it. Let's make our fan dual picks here for the CJ Cup at the summit. Sleez, I'm going to go with a guy as my favorite who's a little bit further down the list, who is just itching for another win on the PGA tour. He's come close so many

times. This golf course, you know, it's pretty generous off the T. The greens are big with a lot of slope. Typical Tom Fasio golf course. You really need to hit your ball in the correct section of these greens. And not many do that. Better than Louis Ustazen. He's going off at 32 to 1 plus

3200 on Fandul's sports book. Louis Oostazen is going to be my favorite. Never plays bad. And yeah, you're right. If you've got to hit it in certain quadrants, he's the guy that I expect to do that. He legitimately seems to never play bad. Like, there's no way he doesn't just walk into a win here pretty soon. He's been everywhere but the winner circle it feels like for a long time. I'm going to go for my favorite here, Cole. Dude, I feel like I'd be an idiot if I didn't pick this guy. But Colin Moracawa, at 17 to 1. He plays at the summit all the time.

Tour has never been there. There's nobody that's got more rounds under their belt at Summit, I wouldn't think, than Colin Morikawa. And just like you said, if you got your irons in the right spot, that's the guy that I got more confidence in than anyone. I know those greens are big and slopes and things like that, but having played out there as much as he has, if I don't pick the guy that's playing on his home golf course

when no one else has played it, then I feel like we're just doing ourselves a disservice. So Colin Morakawa at 17 to 1 is my favorite. Yeah, I think that's an easy, no-brainer pick. I mean, he's got the summit on his golf bag. Like you said, no one knows it better. I think that's a very, very good pick, especially odds are a little better than I thought they would be 17 to 1,

whereas Justin Thomas is your favorite at 11 to 1 going in to the CJ Cup at the Summit. You know, if you look a little further down the list, I got two guys that are kind of coming out at me a little bit here. Our guy, Max Homa, who we love every single week you tease it up, is going up at plus 5,000, 50 to 1. Love his chances around TPC Summit. Went out early to Vegas, did some work with Mark Blackburn trying to get dialed in. And then another guy that's a member played there quite a bit.

65 to 1, Maverick McNeely, who you picked, played very, very well at Napa. Another guy who's going to be sleeping in his own bed. Love his chances at the CJ Cup. Yep, tends to play some of his best golf out there on the West Coast. I like both of those. I'm going to go with the guy. This one just jumped off right up to the page off of me. 45 to 1 on Fandul, Jason Koukrak.

Another guy that clearly loves Vegas. He won at Shadow Creek when they had the event out there last year. He's got some course history there. Don't know what he's done over at the summit, but I know he smashes it off the sea. Irons it well, and his putter, I mean, in the last year has been so good to him. So I just, I think guys show up in towns, they get good vibes. They remember where they won, Cochrag, no stranger to the trip there in Las Vegas. So I'm going to go Cochrack, 45 to 1 out at the summit.

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We got football, we got golf, we got it all. But Slaz, I got to tell you about this one time. At the summit, I was there playing the member guest with one of the biggest lawyers in all the world. This man, David Chesnov, he's a legend there in Vegas. We were having an absolute blast. Well, there at the summit, they have a 19th hole. Not your typical bar.

They actually have a 19th hole. It's 105-yard par three. So you play your practice around for the member guest, everybody hits a shot. The top 10 get to come back later that night under the lights and hit a shot for a million dollars. Well, it's kind of confusing because we're just like, okay, yeah, 10 guys, we all come out, hit it.

If anybody makes it, great. Well, a little twist in the story is. 10 guys come back, then they cut to 6, then to 4, then to 2, and the last, and whoever wins out of the 2, that guy gets a chance for a million bucks. So I'm like, okay, this is a little process. We got a little something to go here. So it's 105 yards.

No big deal. I'm cruising, cruising, going along pretty smoothly, and I get to the finals. And the man I'm going up against, I'm not going to mention any names, was rather intoxicated. And I'm like, oh, boy, this is, if I lose to this, this is going to be embarrassing. So anyways, I end up winning, so I get to hit the shot for a million dollars. All the people there, the lights are out. They move the hole over a little bit. I think it's 104 now, but they move to like 20 feet over.

And the pro there, Tom Abbott, Mr. Abbott, or sorry, Mike Abbott, Mr. Abbott was on the phone with Mike Meldman, who owns Discoveryland. He's like, hey, we got a little problem here. In this hole and one thing, it's not insured that tour players, I was still on tour at the time. Tour players aren't insured. If he makes this, what do we do? And he's like, you pay him a million bucks and we'll figure it out later. Okay. So anyways, here I go, a million dollar shot. I've had some drinks in me. I tee it up and you know as a good player when you hit a wedge if it's good or not. So I hit this sandwich and it's just, I love it.

It's all over it. Loving the chance. There's a bunch of people behind the green. This thing clips the flag on the way down, lands about eight feet behind it, spins, and lips out for $1 million. Oh my God. Yes. I fell to the ground.

So lippy for a million? I mean, hindsight, it might have been good because I might have died. If I had a million bucks in Vegas to just go throw around and act like an idiot. Well, I would have liked. the opportunity to try. Yes, totally agree with you. But, man, what, it was so cool. I mean, looking back on it, I'm like, my God.

I mean, that had been my biggest payday ever on the golf course. It would have been with a sandwich. Just one shot. It was your biggest check ever. The Summit member guest. Hey, Melvin. How about half a mill for a lip-out? Exactly.

Fair. Maybe a membership. Yeah. Quarter-mill membership, something. A little ride on the bird? Anything. Man, it was so much fun. It was so cool under the lights there.

I don't think any of those guys will be playing the 19th hole this week, but they're going to have a blast around the summit. It is a special place. Hope everyone enjoys it. And Sleys, we got some big guests coming up soon. We're not going to let you know when they're coming, but we have confirmed we've got the shock. Our man Greg Norman will be joining us.

Oh, yeah, good on you there. And how about this one? The legend. Fuzzy Zeller has agreed to sit down with us. How about that? Hello. We'll make sure we have the bar stocked for that one. But Fuzz, dude, the stories of the old guys.

are the best. They just don't make that breed anymore. It just doesn't exist on the PJ tour. Too many trainers, too many mental gurus, psychologists, all that kind of crap. Fuzzy, just the OG dude from back in the day. I can't wait to talk to him. It is going to be so much fun. But thank you to everyone for listening. We'll talk to you on next week's golf so far.