Subpar - Joe Skovron Interview: How he landed on the bag of Rickie Fowler, his role on the US Ryder Cup team

Episode Date: July 28, 2020

On this week's episode of GOLF's Subpar, PGA Tour Caddie Joe Skovron joins former PGA Tour pro Colt Knost and his close friend and on course rival Drew Stoltz for an exclusive, in-studio interview. The man on the bag of Rickie Fowler discusses how he ended up with the job, his role at the Ryder Cup evolving, and why being mic'd up during an event impacts his conversations.

Hello world. Welcome to this week's edition of golf subpar. Colt Nost and Drew Stoltz coming off another exciting week on the PJ tour. The 3M Open did not disappoints, Leasy. No, did not disappoint at all. I got to be honest with you. I, and I think a lot of the rest of the world, I was pulling so hard for Tony Pinaw this week, man. I wanted him to win that thing after what happened at Muirfield and just the constant questions. Like, when are you going to win?

You only have the one win. It's an opposite field event. And all this stuff. I was just like, please let him get this thing, get the monkey off his back, get the media, stop asking him questions about it. So I was rooting really hard for Tony Fee now, a little bit biased.

But Michael Thompson, man, dude, that was an impressive final round. I know you got some close-up experience with him. He's the guy you battled with the finals the USAM. Yeah, slapped him around a little bit. Took a little money from him. Sorry about that. I don't know if I would trade him the USAM for two PJ Tour victories, but it sure

is pretty impressive what he has done. And I'll tell you what, he gave his balls a squeeze coming down the stretch and hit some unbelievable shots. The bunker shot on 16 is my leading candidate for shot of the year so far, honestly. And even the approach shot on 17, the par 3 and the T shot off 18 after hitting it in the water

the day before was fantastic. And he played so well. And I mean, in his interview afterwards, he's like, God, I just played such great golf all week. And he really did. He did. It's easy to watch him yesterday. I'd be like, why has it been seven and a half years since this guy won a golf tournament?

Like, it looked really, really good. I mean, he was nails Tita Green and that shot on 16, dude. I mean, I've had those shots. You've had those shots, especially for a guy trying to win for the first time in seven years. Like, it'd be so easy just to like, all right, if anything, I'm going to catch this a little heavy, hit a little runner. It's going to be there. I'll have 40 feet. Two putt.

Still tied. Still got 18. Maybe make Bertie there. But he tried to fly it all the way there and he did it to perfection. I mean, that was, that was, one of the nastiest shots I've seen in a long time. He hit the shot you would hit on Tuesday in a practice. Yeah, you would do that. You'd open it up, swing hard.

Like, I'm going to nip this one. Yeah, but when it's all the chips are on the table, I haven't won in forever. There's a hazard behind back there too. You're like, maybe just get this on the green and get a four. Yeah, and he was outside the top 125 in FedEx Cup points and thinking, okay, as long as I finish pretty good here, I'm going to get myself in the playoffs and all that, but he went out there, hit the shot. But you know what? He had to step up on 17 and hit another great shot.

He had a six ironed about 15, 18 feet. missed the put, but still, that tea shot into the wind over water can be very scary, and he pulled it off. And then, like I said, hits it in the water off the tea Saturday on 18, goes back, stands up there, sucks it up, and just stripes one down the middle, ends up making birdie on the last win by two. Yeah, it was impressive. And I know, like, it's cool to see, you know, John Rom just recently won. He got to number one in the world. We like seeing Justin Thomas and Rory and all these big name guys win, and it's really cool when they do win. But like, seeing like a journeyman like that who has you know pretty much been on the fringe of the pj tour for a number of years now like

like keeping his card just missing his card to see what it means the guys like that it's pretty cool like i don't get emotional too much in golf but like watching that yet so you can just see what that meant to a guy like like him it was it was special it was a very emotional win and speaking of emotional i want to give a big shout out to camille vajgas him and his wife just lost their 22-month-old daughter um had brain tumors tumors in the spine just a tragic event recently happened want to know that we're all thinking about him here and i know the whole golfing world's thinking of about Camillo and his family and just a tragic thing for them. Yeah, man.

As a recent father, like, I can't imagine anything tougher in the world than what he's going through right now. And just, I mean, it's cliche to say thoughts and prayers, but like everything I got for Camillo right now, that's the toughest thing anyone can go through, especially a father. Yep, all the best, Camillo. But it's time to open up the mailbag. I know you fans out there have submitted some question for us. And producer Mark, what do we got this week?

All right, got one for each of you guys this week. Colt, you're up first. This is Roy Parker from Twitter. When did you feel that you were going to make it to the tour and what was the most pivotal development moment to get you to that level? Probably like even my senior in college, I was off and rolling pretty well

and was pretty high in the college rankings but still didn't know if I was good enough to play on the PGA tour. And I Monday qualified for the Byron Nelson and went out there and I shot 64 on Friday, not only to make the cut, but to be inside the top 10. And just to be in contention on a weekend at a PJ tour event, my first ever won was unbelievable and kind of gave me a ton of confidence going forward that summer led me to win in the U.S. Amateur and knew I was going to go on and play professional golf.

So I would definitely say that that Friday afternoon at the buyer Nelson totally changed my perspective on the game of golf. I thought you're going to say the Fort Worth, Men's City. Oh, that was a big one. That was a big one. That was a big one that gets slept on a little bit. All right, Slees, you're up. Fire away. Lee Rigby, also from Twitter.

He has a bad memory, apparently. He wants you to work through the names of birdie runs after the turkey. He says, remember the pink pad? was one, but he's forgotten the rest. Okay, here we go. Pretty simple. One in a row is one. Two is two.

Three is a turkey. Four, you go after that, a little more rare of an animal, the water buffalo. Five, you're starting to get into rarefired air right now. Then you got the Pink Panther. Six, you got the very rarely seen Sasquatch. And seven, I came up with something the other day. I don't think I've ever made seven birdies in a row, or I don't even know if I've ever seen seven in a row. Although it happened this week at the Colorado Open.

I had some, I googled like most endangered species. There was like some like blacktailed ferret or something like that. And there's only like 150 of them left in the world. So it was like the blacktailed ferret or something like that. If I ever get to seven, you can name it whatever the hell you want because I don't know that I've ever done it. And if I haven't done it yet, I damn sure ain't doing it going forward. After like three in a row, I'm still getting nervous. Yeah, I'm making a shitload of birdies right now, boys.

Let's just part of the house and get this thing under par. Yeah. Awesome. Well, thanks for those questions. Keep them coming. Now it's time to get to this week's interview. Our first ever PGA Tour Caddy, one of our favorite dudes on the planet, Mr. Joe Skobrin, Caddy for the great Ricky Fowler.

Yeah, let's get into him right now. He's got a cool story coming out. Cadding wasn't even really on his mind. And then, whoops, one phone call one day can kind of change everything. That was a very good phone call to receive. And it was, like we said, Ricky Fowler. But it's just cool to get to get the perspective from the other side. I mean, we've interviewed a ton of players,

but to get the guys that are out there in the middle of the battle with them, you know, get to see what these guys are like behind the scenes and share some really cool stories. Yeah, and I don't like to have guests on and ask questions about other people all the time, but he's had such a unique experience with Ricky, and we get a lot into Joe personally as well, but, you know, the story inside the ropes with he and Ricky and the way they interacted, some cool stuff, some pretty unique perspective that we haven't gotten before. For sure. Well, let's get right to it. Here's Joe Scobrid on Golf Subpar. All right, it is our privilege to welcome on one of the most well-respected caddies on the PJ Tour.

You know them as a caddy for Ricky Fowler. What you probably do not know him as is the former star quarterback for the, hold on, Temecula Linfield Christian Lions. Joe Schauburn is in the building. Welcome, Joe. What's up, boys? Did a little research stuff. How is it possible that I've known you for as long as I have and am just now finding out

that you were a very good high school quarterback? Well, it was a pretty small school and that was a long time ago, so no one wants to hear about my high school. I want to hear all about it. He doesn't talk about all his past accomplishments nonstop like somebody else. Well, that's your problem. You got to let, and I didn't know about it. That's why you got to do it.

Give me a little breakdown of the Joe Skowvern tape. If we're breaking it down 247 right now, what are they looking at you on tape? How are they analyzing you? I think I would be called a game manager. Ran a bit like Philip Rivers. Wasn't real fast. I could move around a little bit here and there, but it didn't look great all the time. Accurate, not a real big arm.

pretty good at like breaking down a defense and kind of finding that way, but it was nothing that would impress you or jump off tape. I had no idea either that you actually coached some high school football while you were in college. I did. I feel like we hang out all the time, and I don't know anything about you. I feel like I'm just meeting this man. Known for a decade, I feel like I should introduce myself. Yeah, I went back after my first year was at UC Santa Barbara and then I transferred

to University of Laverne. And actually the reason I transferred there, D3 school, and I was going to play both. I missed football so much that I was going to go back and play both. And then I had a good summer of golf and decided that that wasn't for me. I was just going to play golf. And then that fall, we didn't have fall golf into D3 at that time. So I went down and my high school coach had gotten a bigger job. And so I would drive like 45 minutes and go a couple days a week and then go to game nights, sit up in the booth.

And I was like the quarterback's coach and scout up there for the, offensive coordinator. Was it coach Joe or coach scoffering? I think it was coach scovron, but I think most of the kids just called me Joe. Hey Joe. Hey, you're barely idiot. Let's throw. I mean, I wasn't much older than them, you know.

I want to run four fades again. The disappointing part about that for me was that my coach, I was the first quarterback to ever throw for his more than his running back ran for because we didn't throw very much. And then all of a sudden when I started coaching with him, I was begging him to go shotgun, five receivers, like, let's do this. He started doing that, and they're chucking it everywhere. So I was a little jealous. Yeah.

But you were putting some points on the board. You're like Air Raid-style coach. We were running a pretty wide open offense at that time. It wasn't, yeah, the air raid that hadn't really hit high school. Yeah, but it was something similar to that, yeah. Basically, Cliff Kingsbury stole his offense from Joe Scott. And his look, too, dude. I wasn't calling the plays.

I wasn't calling the plays. I was just coaching the quarterback and scouting up top. I love it. That's fair enough. Well, let's talk a little bit about your golf game, because you did go play college golf. You were an All-American at Laverne, D3 school. You tried to play pro for a little bit.

Yes. At what point did you know maybe it's time for me to hang it up? Yeah, I think I still had some hope in 2005. I went to Q school in 2005 for the first time, and I missed first stage by one. And I think going to that sixth season, I still kind of thought maybe I could figure something out. And then that sixth season, I played the U.S. pro tour,

and I got beat up pretty bad by Brendan Steele and Kevin Strillman and Tommy Ganey and all those guys. And I think I kind of started realizing it. And I hung on for a little while in 07 and then just knew it was time. Yeah. And then you actually walk into the head coaching job at your alma mater, LeVern. I did. I started coaching there the 2008, 2009 season. My coach left and he asked me to take on the job.

And so I did it. I inherited a really good team. And we had a pretty nice year. Finish second in national. We had a good shot at winning, and we had the national player of the year. So it was, I think I had three All-Americans on that team, so we were pretty good. Coach, it was easy when you got three All-Americans on the squad. Yeah, I walked into a good situation.

Were you a firm discipline coach, or were you more of a rah-rah? My whole coaching philosophy belief was, like, let's make practice harder than the events, and then let's go have as much fun competing as possible. And so, like, I literally did it, Crip walk in the fairway at Nationals when I saw one of my guys across the other way, just trying to loosen them up. So, you know, I was still pretty young and, like, got along with the guys pretty well. And so, like, we had a lot of fun.

Yes, my philosophy was a little different on that. You get that at SMU ever? Yeah. Coach Crip walking across the park three. I was going to say, first time we've talked about Crip walking here. But, yeah. Jay Lord did not Crip walking across any fairways. I don't think old Wild Bill Monagga was doing much cripping around any of it.

Just trying to keep the guys loose, you know? That was my whole thing. How old were you? So when you took over that job, you were how old? Let's see, that was 2000. I mean, you're damn near the same age as a guy you're coaching. I was 27, I believe. Oh, okay.

You got a little spread on it. So there was a little bit. But I did have one player that was like 24. So we were pretty close in age. He must have been smart. He's a doctor of some sort? Another country and like just his timing of school and everything kind of started a little later. It's a really good player, though.

We'll get into how you got into the caddy game, but had things. had you not gotten a call from Ricky Fowder? Was that the profession you wanted to stay in? Yeah, I think that's what I... Golf or football because you're both. No, I would have... I think it would have been golf because I could coach at the collegiate level.

Football, I wasn't qualified to coach at the collegiate level. It was more of a fun thing for me. You know, high school kind of a thing. But that's what I went to school for. I went movement, sports science, teaching, coaching. So that's what I always thought I would do. What would have been like your dream school to go coach at? I mean, obviously, you're at your alma mater,

but you're at Division III school. You probably want to work your way up. I think at that time I would have said SDSU because living there and being from the San Diego area and the whole thing. But, you know, if he was going now, now that I live here, you know, more like an ASU type of job would be fantastic. But anything D1 in a good city that you want to live in. Yeah. Well, it's a good thing none of that happened. Yes.

Because the phone rang one day. And who was on the other line? Who was on the other end of that phone call? Yeah. So it was, Ricky gave me a call. And the story kind of goes, actually, a lot of people don't realize this, that I was working a couple weeks at a time for Brendan Steele. Stoltz knows that. We might have talked about it before.

So I would just do it for fun because I was coaching. And I was actually trying to run a clothing company at the same time, too. So I had a lot of different things going on. And Ricky asked me to come to the Columbus event. And I was scheduled to do Omaha and Columbus for Brendan. So I had to make the phone call to Brendan and say, hey, did you have an issue with this? Is this cool? And Brendan was unbelievable about it. He said, no, you got to go do it. Go work for him for a week because I said, hey, I don't know. I think this is a trial for possibly doing this full time. And it worked out pretty well that week and gone from there. Did you have any idea that that phone call was coming? Like, did you and Ricky talk about that in the past or any idea that he was considering you like, this is the guy I want? There was one time that he mentioned me possibly caddying here when he got the exemption,

but he didn't end up going that direction. So, no, I didn't really know it was coming. I think his dad had mentioned it to me a little bit and some people in town, but I didn't really know if it was a real kind of possibility. And, you know, there it was kind of, like I said, it was a trial. It was like, hey, let's go see if it works. And it went really well. And he said, you want to come in the fall?

I said, yeah, quit coaching and came out there. Well, let's talk about that week in Columbus. So, you know, he was an All-American, so the amateur, he was an amateur playing that week. Because the first team, All-Americans get a spot in that what was then, then the nationwide tour, now the Corn Ferry Tour event in Columbus. But I've heard you say, that's where you knew he was really, you found out he was really special. And it's because of a shot he hit on number 10. Yes, that's correct. Out of the trees.

That's correct. Take us through that shot, and then I have something else to ask you. So my long-term memory isn't fantastic. But from what I remember about the shot, he'd hit it in the right trees over there. And he had this, I was looking low. Like, just chip this out, get it down there somewhere by the green. You know, might be able to get it 40 or 50 yards from the green. We can get it up and down.

We move on. And he found this little spot up in the trees. I mean, it's a spot that most of us wouldn't even pick as a possibility to get it through there. And I'm like, looking at it. Kind of like, well, we can just chip it out down here, you know? And he's like, no, I can get it through there. I'm good. And he hit this shot that it went right through this little spot.

I mean, this spot couldn't have been more than a couple feet by a couple defeat me at this big high cut and got through there, knocked it on the green. And I was like, wow, this kid's different. Okay. So now veteran caddy Joe that's been with him for, you know, 10 years. Do you let him hit that shot? I think the situation would dictate it. I think with him when we're in those spots, my whole thing is that I try to present all the options and then leave it up to him because he can create and he can see things that I might not think. I might not of the percentage play but he knows how good he feels about it so I'll present all the options and if he's stuck on that option then you got to let him go and just trust him what if so you had a lot

going on you were running the clothing company at the time what was it called beyond the green beyond the links beyond the links yes i remember that uh from when our time in arkansas together that was great um you had the coaching going on where you weren't like actively pursuing caddying at any point they're like you were doing the side jobs with steel here and there but you weren't like yo what i want to do is be a caddy. It just happened that Ricky Foward called you like this kid's special. Yeah, I had no plans to be a full-time caddy. Brendan and I were really good friends. It was more just he didn't have a full-time guy. So he'd bring a couple of his buddies out and we'd just take different weeks. I'd done it a little bit for Charlotte Mayorkas too, just as I did like

eight events for her over a two-year period on the LPGA, just kind of helping her out in between caddies. But it was just a fun thing for me. It was never considered it being a career. Was kind of your first thought when you saw the sleazy man Drew Stoltz play golf? Did it remind you at all of Ricky? Was that kind of the same moment? That's a good question. I get that a lot. Yeah, that talent level of Drew Stoltz, you know.

It just comes off the charge. We played a practice round together with Andres Gonzalez. It was Steele, myself, and Andres Gonzalez. And this is true story. This is my first nation. I just graduated college. It was my first nationwide event at the time. I go out and play one of my closest friends, Anders Gonzalez.

You guys are friends. We come out with Brennan Steele had never met him. I'm nervous. I don't know what these guys look like. It's Tuesday. After like four or five holes, after like four or five holes of the practice round, I remember looking at like, Whoever was counting for my time.

I was like, the steel guy's not that good. I was like, if this guy can do it, like, I'm going to murder these guys. They're there. He had these hooks going and all this. I was like, he was not that good. Now, fast forward. He's won a million times on tour. He made $8 billion.

I was like, oh, okay. Pretty good. Yeah. I for talent. Yeah, I for talent. You got it. I had it. I actually had, if you don't mind me, telling the story.

I had a similar story with Andres the first time I ever met him. Yeah. Playing a mini tour event in 2006 at Oak Valley where they play Q school a lot, second stage of Q school. I don't know if they still play there, but they used to. And Steele and I were going to the tea, and this guy just comes and joins up with this. I've never met him. I've never heard of him.

Steele knew who he was, didn't tell me, and told me later that he was an All-American and UNLV and all these things. He literally topped it off the first tee. He does that. And he hit it out of bounds at least once, maybe twice during the practice round. And I was baffled, like, through nine holes. I'm like, this guy's playing in the event. and I proceeded to go out and shoot like 147 or 148 and miss the cut and And Andres shot 16 or 17 under and finish second, I think maybe lost in a playoff. And I was like, okay.

Yes, he can play. But if you play with him, if you play with him, you see some of that stuff. Like I played so many practice rounds with him where he'll tee a driver up, hit it 50 yards right. Teap the next one. It's 50 yards left. I'm like, oh, boy. Oh, this can be a week. And then he goes out and goes crazy.

Yeah. He's like the all Billy Hoyle team. Like if you just walk down the range, like pick a guy you want to play. Like, that's the guy. He stinks. I'll play him. And then he's going to go shoot 64. Yeah.

And that was when he was like, I get that. It was around that time when he was like dominating the Harmon tour and all these different he was shooting 15 to 20. I just had never heard of him. And then that was like my start off with him. And it was pretty funny. Do you ever get out there with some guys like that are obviously rookies on tour or whatever and you get paired with him and you're like, how the hell this guy get out here?

Not, not so much anymore. I mean, I think I've, it's kind of like the PC stock answer. but it's the truth. Like, I've gotten to the point that I just respect everybody that's out there because I know how hard it is and I know how hard golf is. And I think anybody can look on a certain day, they can look pretty bad, you know?

And so you know that they've got to have good stuff if they're out there. And so it just kind of depends on what day you get a golfer, as you know, like what they've got. I mean, I remember the first time we played with Phil, was asking me questions and he wasn't playing real good at Torrey Pines that day. And he asked me, he's like, he's like, so do you think you could probably beat me today?

You probably can't, right? And I'm like, no, there's no chance. Like, don't worry about that. There's no chance of that. But, you know, everybody has their days like that, you know. How cool is it, though? I mean, you're catting for one of the best players in the world, obviously, but also one of the most well-known players in the world.

I mean, it's got to be so cool every week. You know, massive galleries falling you everywhere. I mean, the kid gets pulled from every which direction, asking for autographs and all this. I mean, it's got to be really exciting going to work every day. Yeah, I mean, I've been so fortunate to work for the guy I have and get the experiences I have between Rider Cups. and majors and, you know, the big events and the schedule we've gotten to play and how popular

he is and how many people I've been exposed to because of that and how many, you know, great memories I have from all of that aside from just the golf and competitive standpoint of how good he's been for so long. So, yeah, it's my experience hasn't been the same as every other caddy out there, you know, it's, I've been very fortunate. When you grab his bag and he calls you out for this trial and then it ends up being a full-time gig, fast forward like two years from that. You guys are playing in Rider Cups. You're playing in President's Cup. Like it happened fast.

At any point were you ever surprised? Like, oh my God. Like this thing is rocketed. Even, like, you knew Ricky was special, but you're like, holy shit, this has been two years. And now we're in the Ryder Cup. Yeah. I think, honestly, when we first went out there in 2009 in the fall and he contended, played pretty well, I think he finished fifth or sixth in Vegas, his first start.

And then almost won here. I legitimately thought, like, we're going to win three times a year. Like, this guy's, you know, like, this guy's. this is what's going to go on. And then you start getting to the bigger events with the big dog showing up and the golf courses and everything else. And you realize how hard it is to win out there no matter how good somebody is. So I think that was kind of like almost the opposite of what you're saying with that. But then you fast forward and we're in that rider cup all of a sudden, Celtic Manor.

And it was like, whoa, here we go. I'd never met Tiger before that week. You know, never been a part of anything like that. And it was like, we're already here. We're already doing this stuff. And, you know, it's pretty cool. Yeah, I'll never forget that. Rider Cup in Wales. I mean, Ricky was obviously very young, and we had just played on the Walker

Cup team a couple years before that together. And I remember I was still living in Dallas, and it was like four in the morning. I woke up to watch this. Yeah. And I remember him birdying those last four holes. And I was like yelling at four o'clock in the morning in my room. And I've heard that's your favorite memory cadding so far on the PGA tour. It's definitely up there. You know, it's definitely one of those top few. Like, everybody talks about the putty made on 18 and everything, but the one he made on 17, I don't remember exactly how far it is at this point, but I felt like it was 20, 25 feet. It wasn't really one of those ones that you're expecting to make. And when that pot went in, that's probably the most excited I've ever been on the golf course

when he's done something. And then on the last hole, it was kind of like, he's going to make this for sure. You know, he just kind of had that feeling. And he has that clutch gene in him. And when he gets going like that and rolls the putter, it's pretty special. So that was the most excited you've been. What do you think the most nervous you've been caddying has been? I mean, nervous. is kind of different because I'm not hitting golf shots. So, you know, maybe excited or I guess maybe there's an element of nerves, but because I'm not pulling the trigger, it's not really like that. I'm trying to think if there's any moment where I've been like, man,

I mean, I guess probably in the playoff at TPC when you had to hit that T shot again, that's a pretty nerve-wracking T-shot when you're guys over it. You know, you're hoping that ball gets in play and gets somewhere. in that fairway because there's not much margin for air there. So I'd say that'd probably be up there. Talking about that first Rider Cup where Ricky did what he did and it was so special and you can kind of just tell like this kid's got like it, whatever you want to call it, right? But you guys were first timers there. I want to say you're happy to be there, but it's a, you're brand new and you got out there really, really quick. How have you seen Ricky's role in like the

writer cup locker room changed from from that point when he's the new guy on the block to to where he is now where he's been there a bunch of times and he's almost like the mentor? Yeah, I think, yeah, it's interesting how much younger golf's gotten. So, you know, he was the young kid on the block and, you know, the fun kid and, you know, he's 21 years old or whatever he was. And now, you know, the last few when you get in your late 20s, early 30s, you kind of become a vet out there. And I think he's just really taken on that role of the he's the guy that can play with anybody, get along with anybody. You know, he's still kind of the fun guy in the, you know, when they're in the team. room and doing that kind of stuff. He's always kind of got goofy outfits on and doing something that kind of gets everybody's attention and gets them laughing and doing that. But I think from a serious standpoint, he's taking on that role of like, so all the captains, like, I'll play with whoever you want me to play with and I'll just go do my thing and I'll just want to be a good teammate. Yeah, he seems like the utility guy on like the U.S. teams. Like there's certain

pairings you know like for sure. All right, these two dudes are going out together. These two guys are going out together. Ricky seems like put him with anyone. Is that like the, is that the tone in the locker room? They're like, I want to play with Ricky. This guy says I want to play with Ricky. Like everyone wants to play with him. Yeah, I feel like he gets along with everybody and his game translates. So I don't think there's anybody that doesn't want to play with him. And he's the same way.

He doesn't have anybody that he's like, I don't want to play with him. You know, just put me out there and just won't play. So, yeah, I think that's kind of out. Yeah, that's the way it looks like. There's no doubt about it. I've seen it up close at the Walker Cup. He's the man. I love everything Ricky Fowler does.

I want to talk a little bit about some major championships. Obviously, he hasn't been able to cross the finish line quite yet. Let's talk about the master's. I know that's your favorite week of the year, Caddian. Is that one of the, is that the major you think Ricky has the best chance of winning? Yeah, I think if you look at the history and how well he's played there and it's the same golf course every year, I think you would have to say that that would be his best shot with some of his performances there, how the course fits him, how he puts those greens. And then the other venues, it's so much, you know, venue dependent really at those other majors. So, you know, year to year, there might be some courses that fit him better than others.

His golf course can translate anywhere, but there's always going to be golf courses that fit you better, as you know. The British Open, I feel like the conditions there really fit him and his imagination and how well he plays. And he's had some good ones there. But he's also come close in a PGA. And there's some U.S. Open venues that are good for him, too. Does he get more excited for like a Masters versus an O – because I look at him and I think the Open Championship is a perfect place for him. It's creative. He can move the ball around.

He can flight it. He's great on the ground with the putter and all that stuff. I see that place as a place that I really expect him to play well. Is he more excited or more ambitious, I guess, going into certain majors versus others? I think all the majors are so important to him at this point in his career, you know, putting a stamp on the career and, you know, getting that first one and then trying to get multiple ones that, you know, there's always a little bit extra excitement and just kind of readiness to go and you want to be there.

But I would say if you asked him, he gets more. fired up about the British Open and the masters just because of his history there and the style of golf. Has there been one major when you look back on it, you're like, damn, we should have, we should have won that one. The Volholla one was heartbreaking for me. That was like, that was like in caddying. That was the one that I felt like kind of slipped away from us and then just everything that went down on the last hole and the way it went down. That one was, that one was tough. And then Augusta he obviously came so close but you felt like he did everything he could to win it so it wasn't as hard to take when when you got done because I mean he hit the shot on 18 he did

everything he did even 17 he made a great swing that ball was two or three yards from flying far enough to have another birdie look and he was charging and you know Patrick got the job done so what do you do at that point when you're in these situations and you know rickie's nervous he's trying to win his first major whether it's a major or regular event every player has something that's they do that kind of like is a like a tell tell sign like hey he's getting nervous right now when you see that with rickie is there some a what is he what is it that he's doing that you can tell like hey i need to calm him down a little and b what do you do do you have like a default thing you talk about or something you do when you're in those situations yeah we had a lot more of that early on when he's a younger

player and his tendency was to start moving walking faster going through the numbers faster trying to speed up the process so like we would have times where he we would have a rule the final round he can't pass me when we're walking to the ball. Like he's got to make sure he's behind me. Or I would slow up the cadence of what we were doing or take a little longer to get the number or whatever that might be just to slow him down. He's gotten so comfortable and he's been around it so much now. You're always going to get nervous. But he's dealt with it so many times that you don't have to do a whole lot of that with him anymore.

He's very good at managing his emotions. He's very good at handling situations. And really, like, if you look at the history, like, When he gets to those last four or five and he's in it, like that's when he puts the hammer down and he goes. You know, and even though he hasn't won one yet, a lot of that's because we were too far back with four or five, six holes to go rather than him blowing a lead or doing something wrong. He, I mean, you look at the Scottish and you look at TPC and you look at some of the finish he's had and the drives he's hit and the big moments. Augusta, even when he didn't win, you know, the shot he hit into 18 and making the putt. He's handled those moments very well.

He better not ever let me caddy for him because if he has to walk behind me, he's going to be crawling. We're going to have a serious problem. We're on one fairway guys. We need to pick it up. But, you know, you say, I mean, he's unbelievable controlling his emotions. But I know one of your favorite wins y'all have had was last year here at the waste management. And all hell kind of broke loose in that final round. You had a, I mean, I believe a five shot lead with eight holes to play.

You're on the 11th T, and then you're on the 13th T and you're won back. When one of the worst breaks I've ever seen in the history of golf, when he jipped. it over the green in the water, takes a drop, rolls back in the water. What did, did you have to go to him and be like, hey, man, we got to refocus here? Or was he, is he so mature that he, you didn't really have to say anything? Yeah, not much. It had been a weird day before that too. You know, we had a number three was a weird hole and the stuff that went down there and then we doubled five and all this stuff. And we actually had the talk on the way to 10 that, hey, there's always going to be these nine. We've always said there's always going to be these nine holes that kind of get

away from you a little bit and you just got to manage it and then get right back on the horse and he played so good all week he goes in birdie's 10 and then was in the rough there on 11 and we were just playing for short right like don't want to go along there he didn't want to get something hitting on that green and kicking into the water in the back and then it had just rained a little bit that ball was a little bit wet and it didn't check and it skidded and you know everything happened from there and just walking to 12 we were we were more concerned with finding out from slugger what we actually made like they were trying to figure that out and what was going on with the penalty and everything else. And we just wanted to know what we made and where we were at so we could go from there. And then I just got back

into the process and just said, let's get back into the process. Didn't have to say a whole lot to him. He was pretty calm. And we just, we went and bogeied the next hole too. And then kind of made a scratchy part from there. And then 14, he had, I don't know, 45, 50 feet for a birdie. And he said, I'm going to make this. And he almost did. And I was like, okay, he's good. And then piped it down 15 and and really brought it in nice and 18 got a little interesting there for a minute but um yeah that was the most to me that was the most rewarding one because of everything he had to go through and how bad he wanted to win that golf tournament and how many things had happened to us here in the past. We had some heartbreakers at this event.

Take us through that chip shot by the way on 18 because I heard he wanted to do something and you kind of talked about it a little bit. So he was thinking of possibly bumping it and I said why don't we just throw this up there and try to get it 15 feet by the whole. We had a two-shot lead and we had chopped it out to there. And my thought was if you try to bump it, there's kind of a slope there. And with it wet, if you've got a weird kick, it could almost kick down into that bunker. And I just didn't want to mess with it.

And even after I was trying to get him to throw it 15 feet by it, you know, four feet short of the hole or whatever he does, you know, he's so good with those golf shots and hit a really good shot. And then, you know, how much veto power do you have? But Ricky's like, hey, I want to hit this shot. And you're like, oh, that's not a good idea. like Bones has talked about, I used to have one veto per year with Bill. Like, do you have that when you're like, hey, Brick, I know you're really good, dude, but maybe right now we just punch it out and try to save part.

Yeah, we don't have a system for that, like a veto per se or whatever, but he's very good. He's always been very good with taking my opinion into account, whether he's going to do it or not. He'll sit there and he'll listen. And if he's convinced of something, he's going to do what he wants to do. And like I said, I'm just trying to present the options and then it's up to him from there. But I'll push pretty hard if there's something that I just don't think it's the time in place

for it, then I'll push a lot harder than I normally would, depending on the situation. Has there been a situation where you pushed very hard? I mean, he was obviously going against you. You pushed very hard, and he went with you and you were either right or you were wrong. I'm trying to think a specific, I'm sure it's happened plenty of times, but off the top of my head. 18, you pushed really hard for him to hit the lesser club. So yeah, we did, in the playoff, we did end up going to the 52 instead of the wedge because that was the one that was going to get close. And actually, when you go back to the most nervous I've ever been, when that ball was in the air, because I had talked him off the wedge. And he had to get all of that thing to get it there.

But it was the one that was going to get close. And that putt, you hit it 30 feet past that hole. You're just trying to tickle it down there so it stays on the green. So, and when that ball was in the air, like, that was a little bit nerve-wracking. That ball in the air and the ball in the air on 16 at, there's a good example. I was trying to talk him into laying up. On 16 at the players? We were so far in front of those guys.

We had kind of, we had a number that he had to hit a cut three wood in there. And so any golfer knows when you're trying to hit a cut three wood, like one, you can overcut it into that water. Two, you can hit the pull, rip, send over that green left that's not going to be great. And I was like, man, this is a pretty easy pin to get out with wedge. And so I pushed pretty hard to lay it up. And he said, no, I got this. So I was talking to that ball quite a bit in the air too. Yeah, that one barely covered.

been kicked up being right and worked out you gave him a nice little fist bump after that one if you had any big mistakes on the golf course where you did a distance wrong or messed a messed up a close it i like the eight not the nine and he air mails it or anything like that well yeah i mean the clubs happens that's going to happen right caddy and like you know you're between seven and eight and you know you push the eight and it's not enough or you push the seven and it's too much and so that's going to happen but um i have given in my career i've given two bad numbers and they were both at BMW. One was in 2011 and one was in, was last year. And both times he went and got it up and down. So that was nice. That's what you're hoping for as a caddy. Do you tell him? You messed up?

Yeah, I told him both times. So because it was pretty obvious. He thought he'd hit a pretty good shot. One of them air mailed the green and I walked the wrong way off the head. And then the other one last year, we'd gotten up there and just kind of in a rush, I guess. And I just kind of took a quick look at the head in the fairway there and assumed it was one that it wasn't. And we both were coming from the rough and this thing like was all over it. We thought he had a good shot and it wasn't even close. It was 15 yards short. And there's nothing in front of that green. So it was fine. But both kind of looking. We're like, did it come out that dead? And I started looking at the numbers and I gave you the wrong number. And he's like, all right. And he went and got it up and down and then gave me a hard

time, a few times just joking around the rest of the day. You know, sure that number's right, that kind of thing, but he's really good about it. So, yeah, those are my two. That's going to happen. And we had Stadler on here recently. His dad caddy for him in the car opening game like 30 yards wrong on one hole. After he like questioned it multiple times, like, no, dude, it's right. And then he hit 30 yards over the green.

As a caddy, you hope that that never happens and you want that to happen as few times as possible because it's one thing to miss, you know, miss a read or, you know, be wrong on a club. But it's a whole other thing when you give a bad yardage, you know, that's. what's like rickie's thing he does when he gets angry because like he's had the microscope this is one of the most impressive things i think he's had the microscope on him like nobody's had you know for the last decade plus and he never seems to mess up he doesn't have any blow up i can't think of anything wrong that he's done but what do you see him when he's hot under the collar like what's he doing how does he vent he doesn't show it much you know he'll talk to me about some stuff or or he'll say something but he's

he's really good with it like he's really good at taking things in stride and he might get frustrated or disappointed, but as far as like getting angry and throwing temper tantrums, it's just not him, you know. When we've had our moments out there where we've gotten into it, I can get a little fiery. And, you know, when you're in competition, you can both kind of disagree on something and it'll happen. I think, you know, that's what's going to happen in sports over time. But as far as him getting angry, yeah, I can't think of very many moments where he got

that way. I mean, he's always so good about acting the way you should and acting like a gentleman and taking it in stride, no matter how much it hurts. inside. I can't remember a club slant, like anything, even minor like that. There's no doubt about that. But Sleaze and I are real big on nicknames, and you don't really have one, which is very, very disappointing, but a lot of caddies do. Yeah. Give me some of your favorite catty nicknames. Well, bones and fluff are definitely, you know, those are fantastic. I'm trying to think of other catty nicknames right now. Bird dog. Bird dog's good. Bird dog's good. Yeah, I like that one. I love Last Call, Lance.

Last call, Lance is a fantastic nickname. What's Casey's Caddy? The socks, what do they call him? Johnny Long Sox, respect. Identity theft, maybe for me. Who knows? I feel like he stole that a little bit. I'm trying to think of some other good ones out there.

And there's plenty of nicknames out there. Eight Mile John. What's that? I call him amazing, John. What's eight miles? Is he from Detroit? No. What's eight mile?

John comes from him from. That person wanted Caddy B forever. And everybody just says he grew up on the other side of the tracks in eight miles. Oh, okay. He's been to jail and he's got some. tats and all this it's good to have that behind you though you know what i mean you know if something goes down but then he'll always tell like he'll always tell pat Perez he's like have a blessed day and so pat calls him brother john okay have a bless there's way no drano yeah wayno's good wayno

yeah way no drano's good there's some good we man we man's out there's another good one i think last call Lance is my favorite last call Lance is my favorite I mean so catty Lance Timbrook used to play on PJ tour legendary caddies scat he's got for yes for parnivic forever been for ernie else now lately yeah but he's last call Lance because he's at the bar until it's time to go. Respect. I feel like the caddy, there needs to be like a reality show

that just follows the caddies around because they are such a unique breed and so cool. There's so many characters that people don't get to see on TV because they never get the mic in front of them. I nicknamed Julian Chedot's eye on because he worked one week for me

and then one and done. Yeah, that's right. One and done. Yeah, I liked that one. I had a lot of people calling him that. I'm having to put too many head covers back on. Andy Sanders, a lot of, I didn't, I've been friends with Sanders for so long

and like called him Colonel and all these different things. And I didn't realize, that they called him dirt in college. Yeah. So that's a great nickname, too, dirt. That's good. That boy could roll his rock back in the day.

Man, I've known Andy for a long time. And talking about how these guys need mics on. You guys were recently a couple of the first to volunteer to be miced up when they coming back, right? They did it for the charity match and everyone loved it. So you guys were one of the first. What, how, like, did you guys talk about doing that? And how different is it?

Are you aware that that's on when you're out there and you guys changing the way you talk? Yeah, the mic's a little different in between shots. So you're definitely conscious of the, conversations you're having with other guys and we happen to be in a pairing that's a really comfortable pairing so i kind of watched what i said what i would normally say to mike greller or justin thomas or jimmy johnson or jordan spieth so it changed the conversations a little bit i will say that um i don't know how everybody feels about it like for me i think that the conversations between the caddy and the player before the shot is kind of what people want to hear

rather than what we're talking about in between shots um so i think that that just provides value to the broadcast because you don't always know what the process is and what you're thinking about why they're hitting the shot. When you get to hear that, I think it provides a lot of value. Was that authentic when you and Ricky were doing it? Were you like changing it up a little bit? Like, hey, I know I'm miced up. I'm going to say it. No, we didn't change a thing when we talked about shots because you didn't know what they were showing, what they weren't. And we have boom mics with us. He's in featured groups so often. He's got boom mics all the time. So you never know when they're on or off. So you just go through it and do your thing and you don't really worry about it.

But I was definitely conscious of it in the between shots. Yeah, I heard you part one time. That boom mic doesn't catch that. You got to look out. I know two of your best friends out there, cadding-wise, are Sammy Pinner, Mattie Kelly. Caddies for Cameron Smith, Mark Leashman. Say you get paired with one of your buddies.

Because I've seen some other caddies do this. Do you and your buddies ever having a little side action in the group? We've never had side action. Really? Yeah, we've never had it. My boy always would bet, but it was probably against me more than for me. We've never had side action. We've always kind of just, I mean, every week, it's like if we're not going to win,

I want one of them to win, you know? So Maddie and I actually had one week a few years ago at BMW, where Leash won and Ricky finished second. So that was a pretty cool day. It was a good Sunday night. So because y'all room together and stuff a lot. So say one of you wins, does that person pick up the tab that week? You pick up the tab for the week.

If you win, that's kind of the rule with most of them that you pick up the tab for the house if it's a house then you get stung a little bit more if it's hotel room is it just a win or is it just a win see that's the difference when you caddy for ricky fall overst me like davenport his guys if quote made the cut they had a top 10 it was they paid for it a lot of times top 10's a dinner yeah you pay for a dinner and sizzler do it that way yeah who are the guys that if you guys if you see the t-sheet and you know you get paired with certain guys rickie loves to be paired with that you think he plays better with? I think he,

Ricky likes everyone. I know. He seems so like it. So I don't think there's really a bad pairing for him. But yeah, if he gets Justin or Jordan or one of his buddies, Duff, he's going to get more excited about it, right?

And so, so yeah, there's, I would say those guys. You know, for me, like sometimes the player influences it because you're like,

okay, we're not have some good conversations and this will be good. As far as like playing better with somebody. I mean, I know Sergio played really well with us for a long time. So he wanted to see Ricky as his pairing. If you looked at his scoring average, I don't know for whatever reason. His scoring average, they get along really well. And he's scoring average with Ricky for a while. Man, and then he won that Ryder Cup match against us to become the all-time leading point getter last year, right? So that was

against Rick as well. So he's had really good history playing with Rick as far as that goes. They're doing these like, I'm sorry, go ahead. I was going to say they're doing like these super pairings it feels like right now where that you know now we're out of break it's like the same kind of three like Justin Thomas and Tiger get paired together a lot right they're all these like super pairings is it annoying at all from like Rick's perspective like all right dude I'm gonna be with Justin Thomas and this guy again like I get paired with these guys every tournament now no I think I think they didn't he likes it yeah he likes it he likes those featured groups last week was the first time in a while we haven't been in a featured group but yeah he he likes those and

you know he likes the spotlight on and he likes everything that goes with it so I think it's good Well, talk to us about playing with Tiger. Obviously, you've been around with him quite a bit. Is he full blinders on 100% focus or does he chat at all with you guys while you're out there? So early on, we played with him. We got to play with him when he was in the middle of winning eight times in 12 and 13. And that was the first time I'd really been around him out there. And he beat us at Muirfield when he hold that shot behind Green on 16.

I think we're in the third to last group and he ended up winning the golf tournament. And then Ricky went. at it with him at Bay Hill in 13. And at that time, yeah, he's pretty into it and he was pretty focused and you kind of were almost nervous to talk to him because you just wanted him to start the conversation. You know, he's Tiger Woods and he'll talk to me if he wants to talk to me and if not. Especially as a caddy, I don't, unless I'm really comfortable with somebody, I'm not going to go start conversations because some players would want to be quiet. Some someone want to talk to you. So I'll let them talk to me. I'll talk to their caddies or whatever, but I kind of

to leave that up to the player on whether they're going to chat with me or not. I don't want to put them in an uncomfortable situation or, you know, then be like, why is this guy talking to me so much or whatever? So I'll let them start it. But as time's going on, I would say, especially on Thursdays and Fridays, Tiger chats a lot more, jokes around a lot more, a lot more open. And as we've gotten to know him better, I think, you know, that goes on as well. When he was on that, when he hold that flop shot at the back of 16 at Muirfield,

I don't know if you've seen the clip, but like your face, when he hold that you were like a kid in a candy like you were like smiling and i know you're rickie's guy and obviously but is it hard to not just become a fan at that point like you're a golfer first and foremost you grew up watching this guy win everything is it hard to not be like oh my god caught up in the moment and just be a fan at that point the thing that was different about that moment was that at that point we had such a bad day that we were out of the golf tournament so therefore you got to enjoy watching the greatest do his thing and trying to learn from it and see what he does and what goes on. And like, I remember just laughing because the golf shot looked so good when he hit it, but

like no one holds that shot, you know, and like for that thing to take that last roll, go in. And it's just like, and the place was going nuts. And Sabo was back there. I think Sabo was leading or won back at that point. And, you know, the message is getting sent back to him on 15. It was just vintage tiger, everything you've watched on TV. And now you were a part of it. So, yeah, you definitely started paying attention to that a little bit more. If we had been one or two back, then no, you wouldn't pay attention to it as much. Andy might have yelled something really loud that not a lot of people know about. But we'll leave that for another day.

My tiger doesn't volunteer to get mic'd up. Exactly. All right. Time for Emergency 9 or you got anything else? Yeah, let's fire it. All right. We do this with every guest, Joseph. Emergency 9, 9, 9 fun questions.

Just to learn a little bit of... Don't overthink it, dude. We do this one with everyone. There's a movie about the life of Joe Scobrin. You can pick any actor. Dead or alive. Who plays you? I'm going to let you guys pick.

No, this is not the game. This is our show. You have to act. Oh, man. And I couldn't think of anybody, but I... You're so modest, but go ahead and do yourself some justice. Oh, man. I said John Stamos.

Oh, a little older. A little older. Maybe a little more flow. Well, Joe's not that young. No, you're not young at all, dude. You're not a child. 39 years old. Are you 39?

39. I'll be three. Wow, making the turn. Making the turn. All right, let's three. Before we end this, you have to... Yeah, you got to give an answer. And you can't be like, oh, yeah, I agree with you. Man, forget it.

Let's just go Brad Pitt, man. There you go. Just do it. Joe. Troy or Fight Club? Fight Club. Yeah, skinny guy. All right, number two. All right, here we go.

I know you've seen this movie because you were a star, high school quarterback. Varsity Blues, movie Varsity Blues. Do you feel like you relate more to Lance Harbor or Johnny Moxon? And have you ever seen a whipped cream McCain-McCaney? Johnny Moxon. Reserve going to Brown or, yeah, where was it going? Brown in that movie? Moxham.

mox in it. He puts his pants on one leg at a time. All right. Okay. All right. Number three. Say Ricky Fowler retires or he's not in the pitcher. You can't carry for anyone else. Oh, I can't answer this question. I can't answer this question. Come on.

Ricky's not around. You're a dream bag. Minus Ricky is my dream back. There you got. Perfect. Ricky retires from golf. Man. All right. First, no answer to a question. Is that our first in a?

It's tragic. Okay, we'll let you think on that too. we're going to give you we'll send these to you next time before we do these can i say colt senior tour i'll go i'll go caddy the colorado open make a little side change this week 100 grad 10% 10 gs hey i've heard of worst weeks all right here we go next question if you were to audition for the golf boys

music group what song would you sing it for your audition tape ooh that's a good one something you can dance to for sure yeah he likes the move i've seen it by bye bye in sync Okay. I feel like that's very on brand for the gold boys. That's great. All right. You know that by heart?

You want to give us a little piece? I know. I know. I know a little. I know. Side question. Is there a better PJ tour caddy dancer than Joe Scobran? John Lamonti.

Oh, John the bod. That's the guy you said. I know. Don't jump the gun. Just leave this alone for right now. Okay. Sorry. We'll go back.

Okay. You may or may not be referenced shortly. All right. Next question. What is the, what is one thing? you don't do because you know it'll drive Ricky crazy. Does Ricky have like a little pet peeve?

That's a good question. There's got to be something that Rick's very particular about how I mix his protein drinks or how I mix his his, I guess they'd be like hydration drinks. So it's very particular about like how I unpackage it and how I do it. You watch it? How can you mess that up? Yeah, so, well, you know, I can mess up anything at times. You know, if I get a little bit on the edges or something, you know, he's, he's very good about, you know, and I just kind of rip it open and I'm kind of getting going and, like, I make sure it's done.

But, yeah, I would say probably, probably that's probably what do you get the most frustrated with me. He's not like DA points. It has you sign a contract with all the things you can't do. No. Can't shoot gum. He's pretty. Really? Yeah.

He's pretty good about that. Yeah. Ricky's a little more laid back. Yeah. Just make my hydration drink perfect. You clown. All right, here we go. You clown.

Getting into the aforementioned John Lamonti. How deep is your rivalry with Adam Scott's caddy John Lamonti for best looking caddy on the PGA tour? Do you feel like you used to have a stranglehold on it and now it's been taken from you? No, what's funny about that is my nickname for him is always number one. It's been number one. I call him number one. And then he jokingly calls me number two. Is that based on looks?

Based on his looks that he's number one. He's a handsome fellow. He's a tough bastard to get ahead of. Because he didn't know who he was until he started cadding for Adam Scott. I didn't know his name. He texted one day. He's like, this Joe Scobber has got a problem. He's caddy for Adam Scott now.

We were at Riviera, we were out at the tournament for the radio. And I was watching, I was like, dude, this kid's catty, dude. It's got no chance. No chance. Slees had such a big man. Between him and Adam Scott, are you joking me? No. It's not even tough.

All right. All right. Number seven. The players championship, obviously, very, very close to you. Y'all's biggest wins so far. But every Wednesday they do a little closest to the pin for the caddies. I want to know Joe Scobvern's best shot and worst shot. So I've hit some ugly ones.

I think I've hit the shot eight times. I've hit it on the green four times and I've missed the other four. I think I hit an ugly one, like kind of short right over there by the bunker over there in the water one year. And I haven't really hit a very good shot there. I think the close that I've hit it's like 30 feet. Well, that's definitely not the worst, though. I mean, I've seen Saj hit it left of the water. I've seen two shots that I legitimately fell down laughing when Shea Knight hit it one year.

And we kept the photo. And Shay actually just text me and said that he's working for Victor Hofflin now. And he texts me and said he got it framed. And it's all of us like basically falling over laughing because his divot went further than the ball. The ball barely got to the. Do you get any warm up lead? You know it's coming. Some guys do it.

I think it's cheating. I think it's cheating when you're dropping a ball. and you're hitting shots or you hit it on Tuesday or whatever like you're supposed to just show up there make one swing and see what you got yeah i saw boyd summer summer hit it to like two feet first off wood summer is so good it's ridiculous he's not a caddy it's a per i know but it was a joke just dropped a ball all black everything like a hoodie he'll drop one on a driver on track man it's swing at 119 with 178 ball speed and i'm like you haven't hit a ball all day yeah this is ridiculous yeah it's just in the dnaa you got the summerhays last name all right next question you're going to be good to go all right next

question. Who the hell is the scumbag actor that plays you in the Grant Thornton commercial and why weren't you offered that role? I hate that fucking guy. That's a good question. He shows up and he's like telling Rick all this shit. I was like, uh, that's, that's identity theft, dude. Yeah, I don't know. Why were you not, were you not ever, all right? So Ricky gets this commercial. He's hit a shot and the guy comes in and says all this. I don't know. Hopefully the reason was because they were kind of making fun of the caddy and they didn't want to do that to me and I kind of appreciate it. It wasn't because of your acting chops. After your Bushnell performance, I just couldn't afford you. Yeah, you did show it down or they just realized how bad I was

You did shut it I had you have you ever met that guy? What's that you know that guy is? I don't Is Rick friends with him? I don't know You should look into that dude. He's a threat looking out for you. Yeah, he can be eliminated just say the word all right last question in this is a tough one Okay, who's got the better chance to get in the Hall of Fame? Philip Rivers or Ricky Fowler? At this point you would have to say Rivers because Rivers is You know we've got a lot more wins to go so hopefully we get there but I think Rivers is I mean you might not be a lock but I think

you feel like you think Philip Rivers is a lock for the NFL Hawford. I think he's pretty close if you go look at the stats you go look at the stats and he's one more playoff games than people think who gets in first Philip Rivers Eli Manning well Eli's going to get in most likely first because of the two Super Bowls but if you put their stats up against each other Philip blows them away wow nobody loves Philip Rivers more than this man no except for his 14 kids thought about wearing the Phillip Rivers jersey you should have not been fantastic collector's item that little little baby blue one or is that what they call that yeah powder I got a color I got a I got a color blue one on the way too do you oh sneaky Colts fan this year they could be yeah they could be

dangerous now you got two teams yeah nice all right well Joe that was a blast really appreciate it man you the best thanks for having me guys thank you brother appreciate it got it sleaze I absolutely love sitting now with Joe it's so cool to get the caddy's perspective on on their player and also other players on the PJ tour yeah he's fun to talk to one of the nicest guys on the PJ tour. I think he and Ricky's relationship is a rare one. You see so much caddy turnover, guys like have a bad run, get rid of their caddy, you know, switching back and forth, trying different things. I think he and Ricky are going to be like the modern day like Bones and Phil, maybe Grell or Speed have a huge run out there because that I feel like those two guys,

A, they're both so easy to get along with and they just, they work well together. They do. And it's, I mean, I think it's just a matter of time before they knock off a big one. Yeah. It'll be huge for obviously Ricky and Joe, but also for the game of golf, I think if Ricky Fallett could win a major championship. I mean, everybody loves him. He's got people dressing like him in the gallery. He along with like the way Tony Fienow right now is dealing with the, hey, when are you going to win again?

Win a regular field PJ Tour event? That's what Ricky's been dealing with on the major side for a long time. You got to know that like they want that off their back so bad. By the way, how did I did, and you didn't know either. Is it like a good high school quarterback growing up? I had no clue. Would have never guessed it from. Game manager.

Yeah, game manager. Yeah, exactly. Making the smart play. I was very surprised he openly admitted to, to your caddy crush, John LaMani being a better dancer than him. Because Joe prides himself on his dancing, I must say. Yeah, he can get after a little bit.

It's just kind of bending the knee to LaMani right now in all aspects. There's a new sheriff in town and the caddies on the PJ tour. Thanks to Joe for sitting down with us. It was a lot of fun. And we got to do more caddies. They have great stories.

They can tell the truth out. I mean, they can really, really, really get things. If you really want to know what's going on out there, the caddies will give it to you 100 times more than players. I love it. All right. Well, let's get to this. weeks gambling picks and i think producer mark i made up some more ground last week this thing's getting

snug where we are things things are getting snug boys uh first of all congrats the colt tony finow max homa two two very interesting stories over the weekend uh top threes each brought home a quarter million each for you okay um you also had brian harmon uh make the cut after you replaced carlos ortis carlito very you got a bunch of guys bailing off your ship i found out of you got a bunch of guys By the way, I found out his wife got coronavirus. I can give him a pass on her. Yeah, that's fair. You do have a lot of guys.

I talked to him. I told him he was my pick and he was ruining him a shit. You had a lot of scratches from the card late. Drew, you taking the gamble on DJ? Yeah. Did not work out very well. I love that you said at the start you're either. This is going to be a great pick or the stupidest fucking pick I've ever had.

Yeah. And then all of a course, he WDs after one round. You couldn't have just taken a knee before the event. Let me slow. Although I would say if he had, if he had WD, I was going to take Fleetwood second and he missed out as well. It was a wash. Yeah. All right, well, you did have Harris English finished T18 and Hendrik Norlander finished T23 to help keep a little bit of a gap there, which is now down to a lead of $181,000.

I love this. Here we go. This is where the rubber meets the road. Now we're playing a massive week as well. Big swings. WGC, St. Jude Invitational. This is a big purse. There can be a lot of action here.

Yeah. And with the field that's in there, there's a lot of options. 45 of the top 50 in the world. And there's some guys going off in the 50 plus to one category that are normally close to the top tier. So it's wide open here. You got the honor, my man. I do.

Go ahead and make that pick. I'm going to go with the 54-hole leader from last year's tournament, a guy who struggled a little bit on Sunday playing in the final group with Brooks Kefka. He's 11 to 1. In my opinion, he's the best driver of the golf ball on the planet. And you need to do that around TPC Southwind. Rory Macaroy is the number one pick in this week's draft. All right.

Going out on a limb, taking Rory. I respect it. I'm gonna go a little bit further down. There's a lot of good players in this top tier right now. I'm going with the guy that I've been whiffing in my top tier. I've gone over to in terms of making cuts with my top tier. Bryson, DJ, can't do that. I'm going back to the guy that I think is probably the most steady,

consistent guy on the PJ tour. It's between two guys and I feel like they're almost the same guys. Between Zander and Patrick Cantley, I'm going with Patrick Cantley. Four top 20s in the last five, eighth in strokes game, T to Green. Never seems to have a bad week. Built for big golf courses. Let's go. Patrick Cantley.

All right. Who you got number two? Number two, I'm coming in with a guy that would have been my sub last week. Also missed the cut. Knocked a little bit of the competitive rest off. Tommy Fleetwood at 31. I'm sorry, 30 to 1. I blame that on not having played in a while, but he's like 23rd in strokes gained to you to green.

He's only got 12 rounds under his belt, but he fourth place finished here last year. Drives it nice. Does everything nice. And I like that pick. He did probably knock some rest off last week. All right, my guy, two of his three PJ Tour victories have come around TPC Southwind. He was not in the field here last year as he was dealing with. with some injuries. This golf course suits him perfectly. He already won a few weeks ago at Colonial.

28 to 1, Daniel Berger. Took all my restraint. Yeah, I kind of thought that's where you were going to go on. I was going to go with that. It almost felt like too obvious. It'll probably turn around to bite me me and to be fair. If you picked Burger, I had Fleetwood written above. All right. So we're on the same page. Smart. All right. All right. The third overall pick, you're going to hate this because he's one of your guys. Number 22 in the world. 15th in the FedEx. 14th in strokes game total. The kid does it all. And honestly, the biggest whiff on career predictions I've ever done in my life. Fifty-five to one, Abraham Answer. Who's this guy right here? Top of the list. You can take him? No, I don't want them. I don't like to have overlap on the teams. I think that's a

very astute pick from you. I'm going with the guy that I'm very high on. You're very high on him as well. Also seems to do everything good, especially T to Green. He's going off 60 to 1. He hasn't played a lot and hasn't played well since he's come back, but Mark, Mark Leishman. Best finish since the restart is 40th at Mearfield. Not hasn't been great, but I mean, hits it too good up until a couple weeks ago he's number one strokes game tita green now he's like you just think he's due for a good week yeah he's got i mean his game's built he drives it great drives it straight and you got to hit your golf ball around tpc yeah this ain't like uh oh i chip put it good type of place this place is awesome it's one of the most it's in my opinion it's

the most underrated golf course on the pgown everyone on tour seems to say like tbc southwind one of my favorite places nobody seems to talk about it in terms of the best places all right the final pick on team big gravy colt nosed another one of your guys actually you stealing No, I don't think you're taking him this week. It's a guy that you just love and he's never done anything for you. That's why I know he's going to do it for me this week. 19th and strokes gained total, three top tens this year, Adam Hadwin. Come on with it.

Do you notice a trend here? Oh, Canada. My guys, next week you're going to have Cory Conners in there. No, I think of mine. You got Hadwin. My guy that's with my staple, always my sleeper. Never gets any respect. Just hits it perfect.

Puts it great everywhere. Can't knock that pick. He'll be back on Team Slee's soon where he belongs. This second pick here, dude. I scoured for this. There's so many options in this bottom tier, and there's a lot of good guys. I eventually settled on this, and this could be another one of those stupid ones that I do, but I think the upside is very high here.

Guy that's super streaky, been playing really well of late, Matthew Wolfe. He's going off at 80 to 1. So his last four events, he's got a second, a 22nd, and a 12th, and three of his last four. So he's playing well. He's streaky. He's not Mr. Consistent, but his good golf is very good. He had a top 25 here last year and his only start out here. With this being no cut, I like him.

more. I don't have to sweat out the no cut. And if he gets hot one day, I think he can really light it up. I'm going Matthew Wolf. It's a little off the grid. There was some safer options here, but I'm going for the upside. You're really defending this pick. It's not up to me. I'm going for the upside. All right. Well, to recap, I've got Rory McElroy, Daniel Berger, Abe Anser, Adam Hadwin. Beautiful. Team Sleys, Patrick Cantley, Tommy Fleetwood, Mark Leishman, Matthew Wolf. Let's go, boys, bringing home the goods. All right. Well, that does it for us. Next week, another special guest. Mr. Aaron Oberholzer will be in studio. Have a great week. We'll talk to you then.