Subpar - John Burke talks failing to impress Michael Jordan while caddying at the Ryder Cup, pranking a young Tiger Woods

Episode Date: June 27, 2023

On this week's episode of GOLF's Subpar, long time PGA Tour caddie John Burke joins former PGA Tour pro Colt Knost and jicky jack legend Drew Stoltz for an exclusive, in-studio, interview. He talks caddying for Brad Faxon and Davis Love III, among others, failing to impress Michael Jordan at the Ryder Cup and why he felt it was ok to ask Wayne Gretzky for an autograph while in contention at Pebble. -- Thanks to Ralph Lauren, the Official Outfitter of the United States Ryder Cup team and of GOLF's Subpar.  The RLX Golf collection is available in select Ralph Lauren stores, exclusive private clubs, and resorts, and online at RalphLauren.com. https://www.ralphlauren.com/brands-golf?&utm_source=OtherPartners&utm_medium=GolfSubparPodcastRLSponsorship_GolfSubpar_PodcastPlacement_2023_GolfSubparPodcastRLSponsorship -- Thanks as always to our official sponsor FanDuel.   If you’ve been thinking about joining FanDuel, there’s no better time to get in on the action. The app is so easy to use. They’re always giving you great odds. And when you win, you can get paid INSTANTLY! So step up to the tee and take a swing at betting the PGA TOUR. Go to FanDuel.com/Subpar and sign up to get a NO SWEAT FIRST BET up to ONE THOUSAND DOLLARS!

Well, hello world. Welcome back to Golf Stub Park. Colt Nose and Drew Stultz. If you're watching on YouTube, you can see, I got this beautiful backdrop. I'm in New York City, just left the travelers. Big day tomorrow's, Sleeves. Turned in 38. Had to come to the city to the city to celebrate it. Yes, dude. Want to send you a big happy B-day. You got a nice day lined up, too, by the way. Gravy meets the big Apple. Hell of a backdrop you got behind you. Tell the folks where you're banging it tomorrow. Yeah, so by the way, 90 miles from TPC River Highlands to the Soho Grand here in downtown Manhattan, 90 miles, three hours. Traffic is so sweet in this place. It's unbelievable. But we're going to go out on a night on the town tonight and then heading up to the Hamptons tomorrow, teened up at one of my all-time favorite Friars had. Then Tuesday, we're jumping on the boat going across the Hudson to Liberty National. It's going to be a hell of a few days, my man. look at you, bud. How else would you bring in 38?

You know what I mean? What are the ways there to do it? Friar said, by the way, there's so many good ones up there. I feel like it gets attention, but I don't think it gets as much as it deserves. It's top five in the Slees rankings at least. I don't know how the rest of the world golf, golf, all these things rank them, but it's good. And it doesn't just beat your head in like some of the courses up there. It's in my top three.

I can't wait to do it, but I got to give a huge shout out to Keegan Bradley, man. performance he put on at the Tribor's championship, just running away from the field. Tried to make it a little interesting coming down the stretch. I know his heart was beating a million miles an hour trying to win. You know, it's not technically his hometown, but it's the New England area. He's a Boston guy. You know, was born in Vermont. So this is the closest thing to a hometown tournament for him.

He says next to a major, this is the one he wanted to win the most. And he did it, man. I had it, you know, was with Ches Rievy in that final pairing. And he put on a clinic, man. It was impressive to watch. Congratulations to him on a six PGA tour win. Yeah, through the early front nine, I was like, well, this is going to be a six, seven shot win here for Kegan.

And then he tried to make an interesting dude. Like, you know, he made some, he hadn't made Bogian forever, started making a few. And Cantlay actually had a chance to make that thing very interesting on 17, 18. But he had a couple slip-ups, missed the put on 16, missed the putt on 17. And from that point, it was just like, keep it out of the water. And this thing's yours. And also a nice way for him to win that one, like,

it's very, you know, well known that this is the term that he wants to win. It's like a Scottsdale guy winning at the Phoenix Open. But to be able to like enjoy the walkup 18 and not have to stress on it, you know what I mean? Like you got to celebrate it a little bit early. And also, Colt, uh, this is happening right now. If you are a golfer out there and you own an old jailbreak putter, maybe a good time to pull it out of the old garage, throw that bitch on eBay because there are people right now that are like, how do I get this?

If Odyssey doesn't re-release that thing, they're crazy between Windham and Ricky last week. now you follow it up with Keegan dust that thing off shine her up throw her on the bay and you got a little retirement policy i know you got my garage code and i'm out of town but i'm 99% sure i got at least two of them in the garage you don't anymore buddy boy meant to tell you that perfect thanks yeah buy it now buy it now went quick that thing is hot right now but man it was a great week the amount of people and i'll go ahead just i got to give you this answer i did not find the heckler okay but the amount of people that came up and asked me have you seen him this week has he thrown anything at you zero heckling um i was actually very disappointed i wanted to see every person that came up

and asked me i'm like are you him yeah that was gonna be my first thing dude it's like in a murder case when the murder returns to the scene and watches the cops operate because they're like oh i'll look like an innocent byceter like he it might have been him in there just mixing it up like have you found him oh i hope you find him type of deal so don't rule that out but i don't know what the hell happened this guy dude we've given a lot of pub We shout him out on the radio. We're trying to find him. We need to offer cash or something.

But he's up there, and I guess he's just tucked his head and ran. Or maybe he's only like secondling the players. And then once you're not playing anymore, you know, he doesn't give a shit. Who knows? But, man, it was an awesome week. Actually stayed in a new area this year called West Hartford. Beautiful place. Tons of bars and restaurants.

Went out with Max Homa Friday and Saturday night. But he's getting so famous. It's annoying. Like people are waiting in line to take a picture with. this guy and he says yes to everyone i was like max start telling these people they have to buy you a drink to take a picture so we don't have to pay for this shit all night like at least let's get something out of this and then just slide it on over to daddy dude it yeah i golf tournaments it's probably 10x because everybody knows like hey the tours in town dude when i had him for the festival when tc u

played uh down here had him in uh invited him out and just walking into there that's football fans like i know there's some golf fan overlaps but i was just like god damn max we got to get in the game but like i ain't missing the start of this thing yeah i mean he's uh he's uh He's the real deal of Holyfield, dude. But, yeah, he's got to start taking advantage of that a little bit. You know, what's being famous if you don't get free shit? Exactly. I know he doesn't want to obviously spend Friday and Saturday evenings with me,

but we did have a great time. West Hartford, shout out, y'all were an absolute blast. And Sleek, our episode last week, the caddy episode, Austin Kaiser, John Ellis was a huge hit. So we thought, you know what, why don't we throw another caddy on the pod? We got a legend this week. John Cubby Burke, he is a beauty. Cubby, he's got some good stories.

The caddies are awesome. People love them. They tell real stories. Shout out to Alice and Kaiser last week. We're doing great. We got Burke this week. We're going to get some more coming up as well because people seem to love them and they're just fun as hell to be around.

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His name is John Burke, but to the golf world, he's Cub. Cubb. Good to have you, brother. Ah, it's great to be here with you guys. And to me, Stiffy. It will always be stiffy. Who the hell's Cubby? Don't care. Let's get into this right now because Sleas hasn't heard this story.

Why do I call you Stiffy? Yeah, and then we'll go over my version. Okay, we're going to go with the caddy version first because it's always different than the player version. So we're sitting in the caddy room, which Colt spent more time in the caddy room than he did in the locker room. That's what all the fun is, by the way. The biggest compliment you can pay a player is you got a lot of caddy in you. That's what we always told Colt. But anyway, we're sitting in the caddy's room at, where were?

Napa. Napa, Napa. And there was golf on TV, right? Yeah, it was a Saturday college football day. And we were done playing because we were done playing early. That's what we did. At least we were playing. We got to the lunch line first.

But it was pretty full. And the guy that ran the caddy room came over and said, do you want to turn this to football or something? I said, yeah, get rid of these stiffs, right? These guys that are still playing. I didn't know Colt was about four tables away, right? And he heard that. And he immediately turned around, looked at me and said,

those stiffs write your paycheck and I said sometimes yeah and not those stiff because my stiff's already done by the way

because why I'm eating yeah yeah but he was counting for John Kern at the time so to me Cubby became stiffy and John was little stiffy yeah and we we never called

we never said Colt or anything else I was always stiffy and stiffy and little stiffy yep by the way stiffy is a lot better than little stiffy you know what I mean if you're gonna be a stiffy

Like a big would be, hey, big Stiffy, but yeah, that's me. Yeah, I don't think John, like the little Stiffy's tough look. It was a real awkward moment, too, when John's now father-in-law came up to me and said, heard you call my son-in-law a little Stiffy. I was like, yeah, so let's just move on from this. Like father, like son. Yeah, he's a big wheel in the golf business. Yeah.

Oh, that's great. Let's settle this, too, because your last real full-time boss on the bag was John Kern, right? Yes. So John, and him and I used to battle it out for inch by inch, who could hit it the longest. And really, you can emphasize inch by inch. So do you want to settle it right now that I actually was longer than John Curran? Well, my recollection is when you get, I think you actually hit one year 260. Okay.

Oh, big year. John was like 259.8. Okay. These numbers are wrong. Are these adjusted for inflation? Which actually says something about both of them, staying out there in this modern day and age, you know, because, you know, John lost in a couple playoffs when I was working from. Colt played great, you know, and everything. Every night they text

each other on their driving distance. And it was like when I graduated from high school, me and my best friend were the last two academically, right? And it wasn't because of lack of brainpower, I think. It's just because we didn't go to school much. But it was like these two, every single. It was a battle. It was a battle. Down to the point one yard. And I even noticed it. sometimes at the end of the day, John would be swinging harder. He knew what the driving distance tolls. I don't care, dude. I don't think we have to lay up twice.

I'm sending this thing. But it was a fun little battle. I remember we got paired together at Bay Hill on Sunday one year. I mean, we're in 40th or whatever. We're not going that great. But we like to have fun with each other. So we get to 17, the part of three. I said, all right, John, if one of us makes it,

the other one has to do a cannonball off the 18th green. And he goes, he goes, fine deal. And I hit my Gary, my hybrid, all right at it. And I go, plug your nose, Stiffy. And he slams the T-box ball, went close to the hole or whatever. I was like, can you imagine if one of us had a cannonball off the 18th at Bay Hill? Probably wouldn't be invited back.

That's how you get on TV in a T-402 situation. Yeah, exactly. Not the best setup. When you guys hit, he said it was 260, but if you get it teetering over 265, you get the drug test. Like when the NFL players post them doing something weird and they immediately get tested. Oh, no, they just pass those two right by. Yeah, you're fine.

Whatever drugs you're on, you need more of them. Yeah, keep taking it. Here's some steroids, actually. Yeah, really get that up to 260. Yeah, yeah, there you go. Let's talk about your start. Like, how did you actually even get into Caddy? Back then it was a whole different story, obviously,

because there were so many guys that's waiting in the parking lot. That's not how I started, though. I was managing the ski shop in Sun Valley, Idaho. One of the players, Charlie Bowling, Jr. Not Charles. Tip, okay, don't listen, because I told you not to beat the table. Don't beat it, Stiffy. This is a non-beating environment in here.

We're off to a hot start. Could you hear that? Anyway. There'll be no beating on this pod. I'm managing a ski shop. Charlie comes in for a week because he went to prep school with the owner. You know, and he was, took San Diego off because he hit it about 240 then. Who's Charlie?

Charlie Bowling Jr. was a Duke graduate that played in the mid-80s. Remember we were born in the year you started caddiet. Yeah, I do. So sometimes do I break that down for us. I remember Charlie's game. He's a hell of talent. Yeah. I remember watching him from the womb.

I was like, this guy's got it. This guy could really got a great wedge game. Yeah. Anyway, Charlie was there for a week. We hung out and everything, and he had a caddy at the time called Crack Eddie Terrell. The Golden Air. You know, yep. And Crack was always in his pocket, getting in advance and everything.

So at the end of the week, I just said, hey, Charlie, if you ever need a caddy, give me a call. And I didn't think anything would happen. And three weeks later, he called me, said meet him at Vegas. We'll give it a try. we missed three cuts in a row, and he hired me. Did he hide? What a guy. And I honestly, I wasn't blown.

I had no idea what I was doing other than caddying when I was a young kid. I wasn't blowing him over greens. I was blowing him over grandstands, you know? I caddied him right off tour. And he was a really good friend with Brad Faxson. And during the Canadian Open that year, Charlie got sick. I was already up there. Brad was up there without a caddy, and he hired me,

and he finished T-12th and kept his card with like $72,000. Oh, wow. Yeah, yeah. So an average caddy paycheck. So he thought I was a big deal and he hired me the next year. Hold on. You mentioned Fax Canadian Open, first time, 11th hole. First round together.

Did he? You're going to have to refresh my memory. I don't know the story. He said, asking about our first ever round together, 11th hole Canadian Open. Oh, okay. I'm going to tell you what I think facts would say. It's not really what happened because he's great in the belishing stories. But we started at 10.

This is my first round with him, right? So we go down 11. And on 10, he hit it in the fairway on 2, right? Okay. You know, so I had no yardage from over there or anything. I knew what I was doing. So, you know, couldn't really figure out the yardage. But we get down to 11.

It's straight downhill. It's in the valley. The wind is up. This is Glen Abbey. Glen Abbey. Yeah. I know the whole that. Yeah, the wind's always, it's always swirling there.

You never know what it's doing. At least I never did. And he gets, it's right in the middle of the fairway. And we're giving the number or he does the number. You know, we do it together. He says, what do you think? And I said, I don't know. What do you think?

I agree with whatever you think. Yeah, exactly. And he never forgot that, you know. I mean, I guess he expected me to say seven. How long did y'all work together? 13 years. That's where it started. He just,

he didn't have it. He showed up, he showed up. And he was like, hey, I like you. Well, no,

because Charlie was sick and they were like really good friends. He says, Cubs up there. He's already up there, you know, so take him. And we haven't made a cut yet.

He's great. I bet he can do wonders for you. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. I knew him by then. That's a hell of a way to slide in though to a nice,

you know what I mean? Just on a random happenstance. Like, oh, he needs a guy and your guy got sick. Back then there was 50 guys waiting in the parking lot. Yeah.

That's crazy. And guys would drive up and they just swarm their cars. Yeah, yeah. It's nothing like it is, you know. You just kind of passed the line and went to a nice bag, by the way. Exactly. Now, we've gone over how you got the name Stiffy, but how did you get Cubb? Well, I was back home playing with some of my hockey teammates, and this was like

1975 during the golden jack area, you know, the golden bear. And it was an early morning tea time and I showed up. I hadn't got a lot of sleep that night. And I shot 33 on the front. You know, I was chippet in, nailing eight irons from the fairway stuff. So they started giving me, you know, crap. You can say whatever you want on this pod. Oh, really?

Yeah. So they started giving me shit. And they started calling me the Golden Cub. Perfect. Nice. I like that. Yeah. And then I proceeded to shoot 48 on the back, and we're walking off the 18th green.

And they said, we're taking the golden away. That's nice. That's good. I mean, caddies have some of the best nicknames. We've always talked about this. You already said crack something before that. Crackhead, Jimmy. That was a good one.

You got Cub, obviously, Bones. Give us some of your favorite caddy nicknames out there. Well, there was killer who was actually, you know, actually a felon for murder. He was out there for a while. That one makes sense. Yeah, and I think Bones brought this one up, penitentiary Larry. Penitentiary Larry. That just scared the hell out of bones.

He was actually a pretty good guy. I think a guy. I think a little frightening. Yeah, and then there was a wanderer because he just seemed to wander all around all the time and never really do anything. Last call, Lance. The last call Lance, which he wasn't real fond of. But, yeah, that was... It was true.

It was about as true as a nickname of a kid, you know. There's just a ton of them, I'll tell you. Fluff is one of the best ones. Yep. You know, that's recycled, too. Oh, is it? Yeah, it was one of the announcers. It was Steve Melnick was nicknamed Fluff.

And he passed it on to him when he, yeah. I like that. Yeah. I feel like more caddies go by nicknames than their actual names. Yeah, because honestly, I was working last week at Hilton Head on the first tee with Gary Woodland, Tony Fino. I introduced myself as John Burke the knocker. John Burke. Because I was knocking on the table again.

And he thought I was kidding him. Gary Woodland, you know. Well, he's not very smart. Well, I call it. You can trick Gary. Yeah, I call him strut. Yep. Yeah, because he's always strutting around.

You got a chest out at all time. How much would you say? I would be too if I was hip. Don't delete that part. Yeah, we edit that. We'll change. How much would you say, I mean, seriously, from 1985 to now, like, the caddy world? It's just, it's totally different.

It's a joke. They really don't have a clue. They're all spoiled. They got their little caddy lounges and they're parking and they get good food. They get good food and they get gifts and people actually talk about them now. You know, and before we were like the Blue Water Crew. We were told where we had to go to the bathroom and where were we told we can't go anywhere.

So we would just congregate together en masse and have a great time because there was so many characters back then. They're getting on Netflix and stuff. Now give us an idea of like the living, all right, you're going week to week on tour back then. Walk us through like where you're staying, how many, I'm assuming you're staying with another caddy or something to... You're always staying with at least one other cadet.

Usually you're staying with two or three. other caddies. How'd you do who gets the bed? Low score? Yeah. You would do a low score and stuff like that. So if you wake up sore the next day, it's your boy's fault. Yeah, you wanted your guy to shoe low every single. Yeah. You caddyed hard just to get a bed. See, I don't know if you know this, but Slee's actually caddies once a year. Yeah. Colonial for Wyndham Clark. That's a good one to do it at. It's great. Like the food's good. I hang out in there with the caddies the whole time, basically. It's phenomenal. But I complimented you because this was supposed to be, we're going to film at noon. You show up around 1145, 1150, you're prompt.

Okay, sleaze, maybe not so much, but what kind of advice could you give a young up-and-coming caddy like Drew Stoltz the Slease? Right. I'm one for two on cuts made, but when we make the cut, we don't ever make bogeys on the weekend and we finish top 20. Well, show up on time for one thing, right? We could start. Yeah, because that's the number one offense for being rinsed, you know?

Geez. I mean, you know the game, so that's why they're going to want you around and stuff like that. It's hard with clubs, though, with Wyndham. I'm like, so I would hit. five, so this is probably a seven for you. I don't know. Like the distances they hit it now are so weird. I'm like, I don't even know what you're capable of. The guys that hit the ball longer are harder to club. It's important. I just say, I think it's playing 201. Yeah. Is the shot, you want to fly it. And I don't know what club that is for you, by the way. They got gears.

And, you know, and they're harder at a club. Davis was a lot harder at a club than John Curran. I'll tell you that, you know. Yeah. In facts, he was, you know, I don't want, I love facts like a brother, but I'm going to get on him a little bit. He led the tour in Other Fairways hit. He didn't hit that far. Strokes gained another fairway? Yeah, but honestly, when I learned early, I had to get a sprinkler head from,

if there was adjoining fairways like Flint or someplace, I always got sprinkler heads from adjoining fairways. That's awesome. Yeah. So I was. That's hard work. Yeah, that's a lot. Yeah.

But I was cadding for Calc there once on an off week. Fax wasn't there, and he hit it into that. same second fairway off at 10T or eighth or whatever it was. And I walked right up to a sprinkler head on that and gave him the number. And he said, how the hell do you have that sprinkler? I said, I worked for facts. Believe it or not, I've been over here a couple times. Yeah, yeah, you had to put the bathrooms in your yardage book and you had to put all the

sprinklers in there for facts. The opposite sprinklers, my 138 front from right here, but pins on 12. I'll tell you what, but facts from seven iron in in the bag was just clutch. and had more heart than anybody I ever worked for. Just never got upset about a bad shot and the best putter I've ever seen in my life. Did you ever do anything for him on the Greens? Did he ever ask you for a read?

Or did he ever ask you for a read? Let me leave Picasso alone here and let him paint. If he asked me for a read, which was probably 10 times a year, I know there's no way I'm going to probably be able to tell. If he can't read it because he was a genius, right? I remember one time, I think we were in Seattle. And he asked me for a reading. All my friends were there and everything.

They were all following around watching. And I got behind him and I looked it from behind. I looked it from the other side. I looked it from the right and I looked at it and the left. And I got behind him and said, fax, fax. I got no clue. Good luck. I like what you like.

Yeah. And just walked away. Well, I didn't. You know? It's fair. At least you're honest. He made it. Nope.

Good read. Yeah. And one of your 10. Yeah. Bam. Yeah. So you're 13 years with facts. And then to Davis Love?

Davis for eight. Davis for eight. How did that switch all come about? When did I and how did I rinse fax? Did you fire fax? Perfect. Yeah, get that story. Now that's the total catty version.

When I say I rinse the player, make sure you think it's the exact opposite. Yes. I got rinsed because I never rinsed a player in my life. But how about going from Brad Faxon to Davis Love the third? I was lucky. I was very lucky. And I remember how it kind of happened. And we were in Sun Valley and ski resort.

I used to host a lot of the players up there. They'd come up, you know? I remember I hosted Phil as Rooka Year. Oh, wow. Yeah. And meaning hosting, I mean, I got them all set up and everything. They didn't stay at my house and stuff like that. But we were on the lifts and Fax and I were planning this ski trip and Davis were riding up a lift.

He says, hey, I just committed to L.A. Do you want to go? And we're in the first day skiing. And I looked at them. I said, yeah, I definitely want to go. and Fax's is looking at me going, what about the rest of the ski trip? Yeah.

I said, have a good time. You bolted. I bolted. Yeah, we lost in the playoffs. Good choice. Good start. But then when he rinsed,

when Fax rinsed me, I rinsed Fax over a punctuality disorder situation. Okay. You're more than welcome to go into detail there if you want, or we can just let it go. Well, Fax is notorious for making you sit outside the locker room. In fact, And he may not agree with this,

but I remember at Dorell one year where we played in the morning pro-am and we got finished and Calc was first off in the afternoon and I was still waiting outside the locker room with Calc finished after the proab. Yeah, four and a half hours. Buncheality, see it's a big deal, even for players. Yep, yeah.

But I made the mistake of sending somebody in and tell them to say to facts verbatim what I thought outside the locker room waiting for him for two and a half hours and the guy did it. And it didn't go over well? I got fired at the end of the week. What were you thinking? What was the message? Oh, I can't repeat what I said.

I think I got it. But you are still very good friends. Yeah, he's like a brother to me. We went through a lot together. And he's one of my favorite people in the world. Is it weird when you go from a guy like that's a long relationship 13 years? And boom, now you got Davis love, total different personality, total different game and all that. like kind of learning what makes him tick.

All right, he's running hot. This is how I used to handle facts when he was doing that. Now, this is how I need to handle this guy. You know, some guys are kick him in the ass and they get going. Some guys need to be stroked a little bit. They were kind of similar in a lot of ways that they never got upset about shots and they never really blamed it on the caddy. You know, both of them.

So I was lucky for that period of time, you know. So the differences in their game was a difficult transition. You know, as far as Davis hit, like I said it earlier, you know, he was tougher to, he had gears. He was the longest and an incredible driver of the golf ball. Yes, yes, yeah. And his long irons were a thing of beauty. I remember once we were playing in the President's Cup,

and we were playing against Vijay and Ernie. And this is all in their prime, right? And it said Robert Trent Jones, and there is a pen cut over water on the left side. I think we were one up going into 16. And he had like 220 and pull forward iron. And, you know, I'm assuming, mean he's going to, you know, draw this club in, you know, or hit it 30 yards out to the right.

He used the most beautiful cut over that water to four feet and just pretty much won the match, you know, and those are the kind of shots that stuck with him. He was so talented with his long irons. Basically, he was like the gifts he had was rare. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And, you know, and plus he's, he's, he's, the integrity, the class, you know, Davis is a really good person, you know. Did you ever get in trouble for stealing his head cover did i ever did i do that's random just a random question oh no that was with facts and that was phil okay that is sources you just point me a little bit but go ahead tell the story oh yeah yeah yeah yeah this was a bad year for me this is my penalty stroke year oh oh i'm gonna get to that just hold on i'm glad you're bringing up all the bad

shit I didn't get. You know, don't talk about the players win or the writer. No, what we do what we do after the show is we go, we recap the episode and we talk about how great you are, but not why you're sitting here. Okay. Okay. Torrey Pines,

playing with Phil, and was I working with Davis? I think I was working. No, I was working with facts. Davis was in the group. Okay. Those are the three, you know, so, and we're having a great time. You know, it's like a practice round almost. Everybody's having a such good, good time. Well, Fax

only brought out like two sleeves and that's never enough, you know, balls for faxed. For, enough for 18 holes, right? Yeah, with like professionals or whatever they were at the time, balladas. Yeah, exactly. Cut those things quick. This is like 93 or four. Yeah, that's below. We started, I think we started on 10, so we're making the turn off 18, go to one, and Fax is running in the clubhouse to get some balls, right? So, That's quite a run. And anyway, so we're hitting and Phil hits and then Brad hits. And they both kind of, Brad hit like a draw and Phil hit a cut, but the sun was right in

our eyes or something. And we got up there and I started, I got up there. I was like first off and I was going to the ball and I realized I didn't have the head cover. So I kept looking back and looking back and I didn't see it, right? And I wasn't paying attention what I was doing. and in fact was running down into the fairway and stuff and I go to the ball

Phil's over at his ball you know and I'm looking for the head cover I'm never looking at the ball not to say that I looked at the ball every single time right anybody that says that is you know but anyway they hit their shots and they hit them up to the green

and sure enough we got up there and they had hit the wrong balls well Phil had taken the head cover and put it underneath his shirt. That's what he did, right? And he didn't give it to me until after the shot. But the best part of the story is the funniest thing that Johnny Miller ever said on air because they did an aerial of us walking back to the ball. And Bones and I are about 12 yards ahead of them. And Bones has got his head down because this is a mortal mistake, right? This is a career in there possibly. And I'm kind of

going, oh, the hell did that happen? And because I still didn't quite believe it. And they're both kind of yelling at us, right? And we're walking back. And there's an aerial shot of it. And Johnny Miller goes, yeah, there goes dumb and dumber. On TV. Yeah.

I thought it was the best line he ever said. Wow. So Phil jacks your head cover and then y'all end up hitting the wrong balls having to go back. It kind of takes a little, a little of a joke away when you're like, oh, by way you're penalized. Everybody was in contention, too. Everybody had had a good nine holes. But it was the beginning of the tournament, but everybody was ready.

You got plenty of time to mess it up. All three of them were on the leaderboard. Wow. You said when you started, you were obviously, it was the Nicholas era. Then you work your way. You're in the middle of the Tiger era. Yeah. I mean, golf's booming.

It still is, but golf was booming back then, especially, you know, in the late 90s, early 2000s. We got any Tiger stories? Yeah, I do have a few of them because, you know, he used to always come up to Brad when he was, kid and challenge him in the short games at the shark shootout at Sherwood and stuff like that. So I knew him kind of before he got out on tour and stuff like that. But I remember when, you know, he was very security conscious and, you know, we kind of had

a relationship where we give each other a lot of shit. But anyway, Johnny Wood and I were driving around in Chicago pulled into a restaurant and Tiger pulled in right after us and parked over a little bit ways. We had just picked up Johnny's laundry and everything and Tiger went into the restaurant. So we took a hanger out of the clothes and we stuck it in his window. And then we just left it there. So the next day we're on the range with him and he's telling everybody the story about everybody tried to break into his car.

Did you ever admit to him as you? I did it right there, yeah. Oh, okay. I'm sure you had some nice choice words for you. Oh, yeah, yeah. I can't repeat those either. But he always said that. There's a sniper on the roof by looking at you. Yeah.

Another time I jumped on the back of his car in front of a hotel when he was. was trying to, you know, waiting for somebody. He just freaks out when that happens. There's a couple I can't tell either, but, you know. What's it like, I mean, obviously, you want to win. This is your living. That's how you make money. But rider cups have to be the most special.

Here we go. Yeah. Yeah, there's nothing like it. I don't know if there's anything like. Like, I can't compare it to anything else in sports. Like I remember in one of our hockey games, there was an NHL player playing with us, and he was acting like an idiot. And I said to him act like you've been there.

and he said to me, how would you know, you've never been there? You know, it's kind of like, so I can't compare it. But the most nervous I've ever been in my life is at the Ryder Cup on the first T. You know, it's just a special environment and everything. And that was the era when they hated each other, right? And I'm 0 and 4 in Ryder Cups. So the European team loved me. You know?

Stay out of Rome. I remember. The first time we're in, we're in, Spain at Valdarama. And this is 1997. We're teeing off first on Friday. I think it's Fax and Freddie, because I always put Freddie with Fax playing best ball, right? And I think we're playing Langer in Montgomery. And there's really nobody there. And there's a board about six feet away. It's like a hockey board. It's up like this. And I'm just standing there nervous as hell. It's my second rider cup, not as bad as the first one. And I turn over there and I look. And I look.

look and it's Michael Jordan, right? And no one knows he's there. This is the first time he's ever gone and he hadn't told anybody and everything like that. And he looks at me and he gives me this manly fist pump, you know, like Jordan, only Jordan can do, right? This is after he won five championship and he was going to get his sixth that year. And I'm caught off guard and I gave him the stupidest fist pump back. I looked at him and went like that. I know he nobody could see that but he looked at me like I was the biggest idiot that ever walked that that was my take from that you know that that rider cup can later in the day I tried to act manly around him and that backfired too yeah do that way yeah yeah exactly so but no the rider cup's unbelievable tell us

about the acting manly part so that's good well Tom kite was a captain and back then he the captain's always had the cooler for the water in the back of their carts and he's sitting on the back of the carts and you know he's all he's all legs right he's what and he's six six and both of his legs are kind of blocking the cooler and fax was parched because you know he's so nervous and everybody is so i got to get him to water so i run up to him and i hit him as hard as i can in the knees and i said get out of the way and it grabbed the water and once again he gave me that same look and it's a bold strategy yeah it didn't work excuse me mr michael it backfired did you ever see him again after that And let him know how cool you are.

Yeah, just because Keegan and Curran are such good friends. I ask him about that. I said, do you remember that? And he goes, yeah, I remember that. And he never said anything to be the rest of it. That's it. That's it. You never talked to me again.

Nothing else? Nope. That's a tough way. You'll get another chance with my question. Stay on those rider cuts. Because you mentioned that was like the hate era where it was big, you know, all that type of stuff. He played matches against Sevi.

And Sevi has, he's one of Europeans, you know, best ever at the Ryder Cup. But he has some gamesmanship tactics. Are those stories true? Did you notice him like? Was he actually doing stuff? Yeah. Can you tell any of those? Yeah.

Like things he actually did? Yeah. And when he was captain, he did him too. You know, so. I'd love to hear. Yeah. And he clears his throat. When you're about to pull the trigger?

Yeah. Continually and stuff like that. Yeah. It's just congested. And he's always kind of in the line. Always kind of nervous and fidgety and kind of in the way, you know, and on purpose. And then when you play against him, when facts and him were in a match, it was just unbelievable to watch where these guys were making part.

from. I remember the ninth of whole whole kill. Sevey's T shot went about 42 yards and never and and he made part I have the hole you know so yeah he was incredible that way yeah he's a fun one fun one to watch but you're right he would do that like the change jiggling that's true the clearing of the throats. Did anyone ever call him? Does anyone ever like back off and be like dude? I think Zinger called him on it a couple times. Zinger called him at Kiowa yeah is it because Sevi and then were saying they didn't play the same ball. Yeah. Yeah, 91. Oh, that's right.

There was, it's a scratchy that they were playing with two different golf balls. And Sebi called him out and then Zinger got into it about jingling change and stepping right as he was getting ready to hit it and all this. Oh, yeah, they had it. They had it out of living. That's when it was awesome. I mean, that one especially at Kiowa, like that was a big one, big rivalry. Like they were, it's changed a little bit. I think both sides still want to kill each other, but they're still like friends.

Back then it felt like real, I don't like you. You don't like me. Let's go. Yeah, that's when the animosity started, I think, right there. What made it so great. That's what built it up so much. Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

And then when Sergio got there, you know, he helped a little bit. He turned on that thing quickly. They got a few guys that just all of a sudden that shows up and they go. If you could caddy, I've only been to the Rider Cup in the States. If you could caddy one more Rider Cup, would you enjoy it more over there or here in the United States? Well, you know, I'd love going over there because the British was always my favorite tournament, but I'd rather do it in the United States. I would love to win in the United States.

That's why I asked Sergio if I could work for him. That's a good line. That's good. What are any caddies that have gone? Like, so scob, you know, like he was on the other side of the President's Cup this year. He's been on the U.S. side with Ricky for forever, and I was with Tom Cam. He was on the other side of that. Did you know any guys that were U.S.

and then went on, like, grabbed a European bag and they've been on both sides? Yeah, I think, I think, uh, yeah, I think there's been a few people that have done that. Yeah, that'd be interesting. It's a strange dynamic, you know? You're rooting for your player. I mean, you're course. But it's still like, we had an American caddy that bet against us with a European. in 95.

Really? Yeah. Yeah. It was in the tournament? Yeah. He was on a bag. Yeah, he was with the Lauren Roberts. Yeah.

Why can't I think of his name right now? Really? Really. Yeah. Oh, really? Yeah. Yeah. Really.

I just feel like over there, like, their fans, I mean, it's just wild. They get into it. I mean, it's a big deal over here. I actually like over there, it'd be really special, especially because we have one in 30 years as well. Yeah. Yeah. They go crazy over there, but they're also, they're very, they're still a little bit

polite with golf shots and everything over there. Like, they are with the, British, you know. Like their chance and stuff on the first T, like, we've been to one. We're going to go this year. I can't wait for it. But like their first T environment is just, it's special. It's different, you know? Yeah. Yeah. It really is. You've caddied everywhere. But imagine 2025 Beth Page Black Rider Cod. I just was like, that's what I was, that's the most entertaining place to caddy in the world. And it's unfortunate because I think it most likely would have been captain by Phil and then Poulter for their team. For sure.

I call it. That would have been the perfect what Phil gets called. Oh, yeah. Colin, no, thank you. The New Yorkers. New York, it's different up there. It's the best. You love it. Oh, I love it. I mean, I was, I crack up all the time, no matter what they say, because it is true and it's to the heart, and they don't hold back.

My first ever time playing there was a practice round for the Barclays, Beth Page. We're on 17, that part three that's brutal to hit the green. Playing with John Malinger, we both missed the green. And Tuesday, this guy goes, you guys fucking suck. Welcome to New York. That's my guy. I feel like it's one of those that they love you, like Phil. They love, right?

He could do no wrong. He's going to have the crowd support. It's probably the best place in the world to play. And on the other side, if you're on the wrong, like Sergio with the gripping, re-gripping. Stuff goes on. Like, your week's going to be miserable. They made him cry. I mean, it's, it was like, but it's also like New York, like, especially with the

Ryder Cup, it's like, it's one week. It's going to be different. And then it's going to, you know, you're going to go somewhere else and be back to normal. Colin. Just got to live with it. Oh. Colin couldn't handle it. Monty.

Oh. Yeah. he was on the wrong side. Yeah. It's tough. They're not shy. No. And they do it to everyone.

Yeah. Yeah. Except for Phil, obviously. Yeah. Yeah. They love Phil. Oh, go back to that Ryder Cup will be insane. Yeah.

That's like going to be one of the highlights of all-time rider cups, hopefully. Go back to 2004 because Hal Sutton, that was a year, what, Oakland Hills, and all that stuff. But the big thing, which I didn't know about, the cowboy hat, got a lot of attention when he came out on the first teeth. Some of his decision-making also got attention, but talk about the cowboy hat. Well, we were trying to decide on what to do for. for a present for him because Hal was great.

He was one of the first captains that was really great to the caddies. Voltaxed us and everything, got us Cadillacs for courtesy cars. That will never happen again, because we would all leave the hotel at the same time and race to the parking lot. Got to tone it back. Yeah.

Joe always won that race or Judd, one of those two. Moped's next year. So we were going to get him a present and everything. So Judd took the command and took the command, being from Fort Worth and everything. He bought him a really, really nice cowboy hat because I think Hal's in the horses and everything like that. It's a beautiful hat, but it was black, right? So he shows up on the first tee wearing that black hat, you know?

So that was not a good sign right from the beginning. And the first pairing, I think, was Tiger and Phil, right? Yeah. Coming out with a bang, boys. Yeah. They go so well. And Phil hit it so far right in the look that Tiger gave him. Oh, over and over, by the way.

there's clips of that like Phil hitting and Tiger's like closing his eyes trying to hide it but not so much. Yeah and then his instructor telling Phil's wife why he hit that walk it off to Dee. Oh yeah, here's what's going on in this wing like she's going to relay a message to him. You're a little stuck. Yeah. There's always like I feel like depending on who the caddies are, but there's some fun games between the caddies when you're out there paired together. You'll do some you know, whatever, play hole by hole or whatever it is with your player. But I heard you like to play some little over-under games you had said, depending on who you're paired with, possibly maybe if someone was a little negative.

Well, I guess you're talking. We were playing with Scott Hoke when you're, with Davis. I love Scott Hoke, too. Believe it, he'll say anything, anytime, anywhere. He's not going to hold back, right? And I said to Davis, we're going to do an over-under and how many stupid things Scott says today. We're walking out to first T.

and he said one sentence and I looked at Davis and said that's two and it's really hard to say two stupid things in one sentence but he did it yeah he overrunner was seven and a half that day he got there yeah yeah oh he got there by about the fourth or fifth hole you know what were some of the other games the loops like to play while they're out there uh we didn't have games but fax and i had a like a stupid number system like you know just to alleviate some of the boredom you know we would use professional athletes and numbers instead of, you know, their names. Oh, for the yardages, yeah. Yeah, if we had $1.99, it was one Wayne. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know, it works. Who is, obviously, not Davis or facts, but like, who was the people you looked? Was it more based on the player or the

caddy when you look forward to who you are paired with? Normally the caddy. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. So give us some of your favorite caddies to get paired with. Tony is always one of them. Big Navarro. Yeah, Tony always says, speaking of saying stupid things. He's major minor, though. You be careful with that. He's a major league shit giver and a minor league shit taker. I like that. Just like Bush Harmon's another one.

Major minor? Oh, oh, you give him shit. It's a period of time depending on what he feels the offense is before he'll talk to you again. And same would talk to you in about 30 years. Tony, you know, Tony's a good friend of mine. I mean, he always says the world's my dartboard. but it's really his, you know, but he was one of my favorites. I got to tell you a Tony's story that he pulled on me.

After I rinse Davis. That's going to be our clip that we've pumped the episode for. After I rinse Davis, he was doing nothing for me. Told Tiger no. Dead in the water. Numerous times I told Tiger. Every time he was open, Tiger, it won't work. Stop begging.

Yeah, really serious. You're going to have a good career, but not. Not for me. So I was, after I rinsed Davis, it was about four months after Tony rinsed Adam, Adam Scott, I had called Tony and I said to him, I said, hey Tony, you know, we're good friends. I don't want to, you know, but I'm looking, will you give me Adam's number? He's open, you know, and at the time Steve he's got him for the open because Tiger was hurt. So he gets, he says, well, what do you want me to do?

put a towel in the bag for you too. So he was like a little upset. So I said, okay, Tony, that's it. Your friendship's more important, okay? Don't even give me the number. So my wife, our common-in-law wife. Common-law wife. She's, I wish people could see that.

Anyway, she wants to go on a bike ride. And, you know, bike rides aren't real high on my priority. So I'm kind of stalling. I said, you know, and then all of a sudden the phone ring And as Tony says, you know, Cup, I thought about this. And there's nobody I'd rather have work for Adam after me than you. Now, that should have been a red flag for me, right? Right there.

Here we go. It wasn't, but I was a little flustered with her. Come on, let's go take the bike riding and everything like this. So it gives me the phone number and I say to her, let me call him real quick, okay, and see, you know, because I know he's on a course, I'll just leave a message. So I dial a number and I'm waiting for the message to come on. And all of a sudden I go, hello, mate. and I gack.

I completely screw that phone call. Wrong number. I go, hey, Adam, this is a cup. If I worked for you, we do really well. I got to go, bye. You know, it was just terrible, right? And I didn't expect him to answer. So we take the bike riding, I bitching the whole time.

She's telling me to shut up the whole time. And I get back and I get a phone call from Tony. And he goes to me, he says, how'd that phone call go with Adam? and I say that it was awful I didn't expect them to answer and I just completely blew the whole situation and he goes I got some more bad news for you and I go what he goes that wasn't Adam that was Joey Damiano he had one of the other he gave me one of the other catty's phone number oh my god the whole time I thought it was Adam it's good news bad news he should have let that go for a couple of weeks yeah he couldn't but he felt so bad he was

apologizing for it and I said Tony that was one of the best ever yeah I'd like you run into Adam on the range like hey dude I'm sorry but what are you talking about yeah yeah I didn't Adam didn't hear that story till about two or three years ago I told him he had a big he got he laughed about that good tell me about I know you spent quite a bit of time in Mexico about when I'm very open-ended yeah you know a lot of stuff very open-ended question your research are you surprised we're professionals around here are you talking about 1970s? I was just told to ask about your time in Mexico.

You mean winning the Mexican? Are being told never to come back into the country? I think we probably go with that one. Feels like that second one. That's the story. Well, I was back in the 70s. You're not allowed in Mexico?

I wasn't, but they didn't have computers. So, you know, we got busing in Mexico and got in San Blas, Mexico, and spent the weekend in jail and bartered our way out.

You know? But we had to be depressive. You know, we were doing it. This is our first criminal. But we had to be deported all the way across the country from the western coast all the way into Brownsville, Texas with two vehicles that were in a federally armed in each one. And then we were told never to come back into Mexico. So when Cameron was winning the Mexico down there, I was trying to stay away from the camera. Oh, yeah.

Because he won my Macobo together. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. A little, little camo, a little disguise. What did you, what did someone tell you about this? They didn't tell me anything. They just told me to ask these questions.

We didn't even know you'd ever been to Mexico. Yeah. Can we, can we? I was 22 years old. The statute of limitations is run down there in Mexico. Can we get into the charges here that landed you there or what you did to get into a Mexican prison in the first place? We had but two pounds a week. and we were going to go camp by a river going in the ocean,

and we were out in the beach digging clams. And obviously the guy who sold it to us was in cahoots with federal alleys, and they pulled us over and searched our vehicles. Oh, you set you up. Yeah, yeah. A little sting operation. Yeah, 1972. Damn, that's just wrong.

Yeah, yeah. I really didn't expect that to come up. I didn't either. Yeah. You negotiated your way out of it. If there's one police force in the world, it's probably open to some negotiation. Yeah, we traded our beach.

there. Beatles tapes and some jeans and you need a sandwich I got a couple of those I can get you one of those exactly all right well we can tell stories for four hours I feel like we got to do any should we get a quick recap of we talked about a lot of your guys he did do a one what we'll call like a farewell or retirement tour with our boy lumpy yeah how that go he had to be a peach because I don't think he even gave a shit at that point maybe less than ever before well you know he still cared and everything but he just kind of knew what was going to happen and he was going to enjoy his last nine months. So it was the most fun we ever had. In fact, I think we were a distraction to almost every group we were in because we were laughing so hard almost every day.

You know, like, you know. Some of the stuff he do. I remember we were walking up, playing in Reno, and he had a five-footer for an eagle, and he hit it three feet. And straight up the hill, right? He had to put putt three feet. It was two feet short, and he put up his putter. Like in the catty shack and he yelled,

I can't fucking take it anymore. And he just fell. And he didn't even break his fall. And his arm was right here. And he bounced off the green, right? And he just laid there. And there's about 50 people following him because he's entertaining, right? And everybody was laughing.

And then everybody got deathly quiet. I can't take it anymore. He's the best. He's the best. They got to have a clip of that. And honestly, the guys in the fairway, I look back, they're all like this with their hands on their knees laughing. Finally, I said, are you all right?

He goes, yeah, I just don't want to get up yet, you know? I mean, stuff like that. I mean, it got a fun last little hurrah for him. Yeah. He's the 10 anyways, but when he did his care levels low, right? Yeah. Yeah. It was so much fun.

God, he's the best. Yeah. He don't make him like that anymore. He is so special. You know, and those, the guys out there's not. to tell me all the time. There's just, it's just not as fun out there. They're not as many characters on both sides of the bag.

You know, I mean, I had a good time when I was out there. You still do, yeah, you were just there. You're a good time on Saturday. No shot 64. Here it was zero. Yep. I mean, I think the money's. Caddian either.

There's no caddies having to negotiate with the federalis to get back into the United States in Mayacoba anymore. Yeah, but there. Back then there was a lot of caddies of negotiating with a lot of enforcement. I'm sure. All right, let's get to the E9. We do this with everyone, okay? Nine.

I mean, there's supposed to be fun questions, but these have all been pretty fun. We asked us to everyone, you can trade lives with anyone. Be somebody for one day. Dead or life of all time, who would it be? Well, probably be, probably be Wayne.

The great one. Yeah, yeah. Will? Yeah, because I had no skills or talent as a hockey player. It was just go to the corners in front. on the net, bounce around and shit, you know. Love to play the game with skills. Gretzky and his prime.

Yeah, yeah. Is there another, just for my reference here, because he already answered one of mine, is there another question maybe along those same lines coming up involving that man? On your side? If not, I'm going to fire. Okay.

Mine is. All right, I'm going to give you this one then. Craziest Caddy fan interaction you've seen where a caddy had to, like, step in and regulate somebody because it was too much. I was probably, and we were playing in the finals and match play, at La Costa against Davis.

Back in the day. Yeah, that was the little guy that was running around. Every time Davis was in his back swing yelled no love. Oh, yeah. Remember that? And I went up to, and finally I forgot about that. Yeah, and I kept trying to search for him and everything. And Tiger's security wasn't doing anything.

Why would they? We started, you know, we were leading the match until that started happening. Finally, I saw him by the ropes. Little guy kind of sneaking in and out. I kind of figured that was him. So I went up to him and got right in his face. And the media just blasted both of us for doing that. I remember that.

But it was like, how they blast you? Didn't they take him? It's your job to protect your guy and make sure if somebody's heckling him, you find him. I mean, it's not even really your job. It's a security job. We ended up losing that match, but they just blasted us saying we were way out of light and to go after him. But it was literally right at the top.

He would wait until he was right here every single time. I remember it too, and they made it sound like, if you didn't know and you weren't there, it may it sound like he did it like one time. No, no. It wasn't at the top. It was just he was not rooting for Davis, basically. and they he got booted but that like he did at least four times before i spotted you know because of course everybody's following us so he's hard and he's the little guy so he's in and out of everybody you know so

you hear it you look over right then you just see little feet scoot around you know so yeah that makes more sense yeah okay yeah all right next one you've had some other jobs in your in your time okay hockey gym now you're the what we call it poho poho poho oh oh oh you're once a roofer You got a lot of skills, dude. Yeah, you do it all. But I believe you broke up with a girlfriend while you're doing some roofing. Who the hell did you call? Maybe share the story with us.

Broke her poor heart. Yeah. Poor girl. Oh, God, I can't believe. Did you call people and touch her my all? Just answer the question. She hasn't rebounded to this day. No, she's doing fine.

Believe me. I don't know. She's still, there's a hole in that heart. Yeah, well, there was a hole in that roof, too. me and bonzo were sitting on top of the roof and we were talking about it and commiserating and we could see our condo and it was about two blocks away and all of a sudden the window was open and all my shit was being thrown on oh so shit broke up with you yeah I mean everybody all this shit was being thrown in the condo into the yard and I what'd you do I said I'll

grab that at lunch so you're on another job look over to your condo and she's throwing all your stuff out the window. This is so great. There was a hole in that roof too. I got to know your sources. I'll get to it after the show. Oh, that's good. Okay. Next one. You might have answered or not. I was going to ask you the biggest mess up or mistake that you ever may. I assume it was the wrong ball situation. Well, not only that. It was we we hit the wrong balls that day. Later that year, we hit the wrong type of ball going up ninth at Westchester.

A little ball change? On a ball change where I threw him a ball from my pocket. And he hacked it up the left rough and made a long putt for a bogey and ended up being a triple, I believe, when he looked at the ball. So what he was the same manufacturer? No, it was a titleless. Okay. Is this a type of type of.

Is this fax or love? Fax. And he had tried a bunch of different balls during the off week. And he said he had them all out of there. And I didn't really check it. and I apparently had one of my pocket and I threw it to him in for caddy. And the other was a four caddy at Hartford,

which is a legendary, well, I don't know if it's a legendary, but it's a story. We're on 18. Facts had just missed four foot of for birdie. Very seldom happens on 17, but he was still up first. We're four caddying on the left there. It's when the range was behind the clubhouse,

you know, down the hill. That's before my time. Yeah, and they had the big green fencing up. and you know the big tree when you get to the top of the hill there that's probably 180 in the start of the fairway we were just to the left of there and the other caddy was i was just about ready to turn around and he asked me a yes no question and i turned to him and i said no and i heard thwack and then i heard watch out cubby and then before i could even turn around a line drive hit me me in the back, right in the middle of my back.

And I buckled my knees. And as I was going down, I went, that's two. Signaled two. Had two. Yeah. You know it was fax. Yeah, I knew it was fax because he was up first, right? And so it's in the rough.

It's six inches deep, right? And so he comes up and he goes, why were you signaling that? Are you okay, he said. And I said, yeah, I'm fine. He says, why were you signaling you're all right? And I went, I wasn't. I was signaling that's two. That wasn't the P sign, bro.

He made a great six, right? We were like in 53rd place. It knocks us down to 60th. I'm waiting for him by his BMW. He comes out and he says, I want you to write an 1,500 word essay on what it takes to be a good caddy out here. And I said, what am I in fourth grade?

He wanted you to write an essay, for real. Yeah. You didn't do it. Please tell you did it. Well, he hit the gas when I said that, and he almost hit a lady walking right in front of him. You know, he had a slam on the brakes. And then we were staying at Denver that week,

and I won't get into what happened or anything like that, but he had a little bit of trouble, and he was going through something personally and everything like that. And I was supposed to pick him up at the airport. And because of that, I wrote it, but I threw as much humor in there as I possibly could, right? just to cheer him up a little bit, you know.

Good man, you completed the task. I completed the task. 15 hundred words. Yeah. And actually, we moved recently and I found it. Oh, really? Yeah. I'd love to see it, actually.

I'm not sure with that to hit me. It would help if I had a player that didn't duck hook balls at my back as I'm going to four caddy. Yeah, but I read it and I became a better caddy after I read it. Yeah. I'd never have been hit in the fairway yet. All right. One of mine was, as your own player, ball ever hit you. So we're going to the next one.

Okay. That was a good six months, believe me, and I kept my job through all of it. You kept your job, by the way. People, they love you. Oh, yeah. USA. Where people, less understanding people would have said. Yeah, USA paper was talking about that, the USA Today.

And also that next day when Stuart Sink won the tournament, I opened up the sports page at a diner. And the headlines was a picture of me in Fax and said, Fax wishes he hit his caddy in the head. Oh, nice. Not sync one. Right underneath it in small print. Sink wins G-H-O.

Perfect. Yeah. No such thing is bad, but I will say, on a serious note, though, like everybody I talk to, there's great stories, but then it's, Cubby is the absolute best,

love him like a brother, all that. So they do love you. They just like, because he had good stories. Sometimes do mess up. All right, next one. Was Fax a better driver

of the golf ball or a car after he went to A.J. Foyt driving school. I would have to see as a golf ball. And that's not real good. Damn. Tell us about this. Bones,

I will reveal one of my sources. Bones shared a story said, y'all were driving around Toledo after he did this driving school. Yeah, it was Bones. Joe and I, in fact, we were going to a movie. And it was my rental, which that same week,

Bones had taken the aerial and hit it in underneath the, Still had aerials, right? And underneath the seat and all I could get was the Christian network. I listened to all week, you know, that was part of that same week. Joe had kicked the door in. Things are going well. Yeah.

So we're, facts goes, he's so excited. You just got finished with this driver's school. I'm going to show you guys a J turn. And we're in a construction area. You know what a J turn is, right? I don't. I'm guessing it looks like a J though. It's probably shaped like a J.

Yeah, but you've got to go in reverse like 40, 40 miles an hour. Then you've got to hit the gears. And then flip it around, right? So we're all in the car and he's back in that thing going 40, 50, and he hits it. And it flips around, but it goes up onto a curb into a third pile. There's shit flying everywhere. The tires are blowing. Have you rode with him since?

Oh, yeah, yeah. Oh, my God. One AJ Voight driving school. They're just driving in general. Maybe not his thing. No, no. Does a lot of things well, driving. Yeah, he's got any, he's got attention deficit order to it.

So he's not paying attention to the road. That can happen. Yeah. That's great. It can happen. Jay turned. Let's go practice. I did it with him after that in the big parking lot and he pulled it off.

You know, there's no obstructions there. And he tried to do it on a street, you know, with a, in a housing development of, you know, houses just being built with 42 children running around the sidewalks. Yeah, and three tour caddies. And their buzzards were flying around us afterwards trying to get our jobs. Oh, love it. That's good. All right, you're answering a lot of mine on the fly here, but I'll just throw out one impromptu here.

Hopefully you got something. Just give me, if someone had never met Fluff Cowan in their life, explain Fluff to them. Fluff is a laid back, gentle soul that don't cross them. Oh, yeah, he's got that? Yeah, yeah, yeah. You don't want to cross them. Seems pretty chill most of the time. I got a good Fluff story too.

Yes, there we go. You're ready? Hixie, Frank, Fluff and I. Hixie and we're staying together in Tampa in a house during the tournament. It was during March Madness and everything. And Fluff had just had played golf with Peter down in Naples, or Peter Jacobson, who he used to work for, right? And he came home and he couldn't find his wallet.

he's tossing the furniture he wasn't even in you know hadn't even been in the house yet he's looking places where he hadn't been in his cars and everything like that he couldn't find his wallet so he was sideways so he went said i'm going to bed but before he went to bed he went into the bathroom and he makes these primal screams when he's in the bathroom you just don't know what he's doing in there right yeah he's just making all these noises that are just we're looking at each other and everything like this so he leaves the bathroom and i go god you guys you guys I had to go see what he did in there. I just can't leave this alone.

So I went in there, and I didn't notice anything different except for his dentures were in a drinking club glass from the kitchen, and it was half full with listerine and half full with water, and his dentures were right in there, right? So I took those, and I took him, and I hit him behind the TV. So the next morning he gets up and goes to the bathroom. And the three of us are actually watching early morning games. We don't have to be to the course until later. And he goes in the bathroom. And, well, I took that glass and I put the formula in there, right?

The same with no dentures. The glass is still there. But the teeth are gone. There's no teeth in it. Problem. Yes, problem. So he comes out of there and he goes, Hey, we're going to see my fucking teeth?

We're going. And I go, no. And they all, Frank and Hixie go, no, we haven't seen your teeth. Even though you had dentures. Yeah, you had them in when you came in last night, when you couldn't find your wallet. Where's there are a fucking honey? I could go, of course, just going to be mad by all my fucking teeth is. Talking about Jim Furek, right?

And I said, fluff, think about it. Where did you have them last? Could they have been in your wallet? He goes, oh, that's real fucking honey come. Oh, fuck you guys. So he goes and he gets stressed And he's walking out the door He goes

We're going to fuck And I said Fluff, they're behind the TV And so he put him in I bet he wanted to kill you Oh he was so mad I don't remember I'm surprised you didn't let him go to the course

Without him Oh no I couldn't Oh that's great He could still rip darts with no teeth Oh God He's a beauty He's special I love I love fluff

I just love the guy He needs to have like a He needs to write a book At the end of it all Oh yeah That would be, you've been around the block. Yeah, great caddy, better person. Yeah, well that.

Seems like it. All right, last one for me. Have you ever asked for someone's autographed during a PGA tour round? Yeah, I know where you got that. There is. There it is. Yeah. If this is true, the way he told it to me, this is incredible.

It's a true story. Okay. Good. AT told Pebble, we had won 2001, and our partner was Bill Russell. And this is not the story, but it's kind of a prelude to it. But it was that Bill was walking on with the Greens when we're trying to win. And he's got like size 15 shoes, and he's walking on our lines. And Davis says, he got us up.

And so I'm boxing out Bill Russell coming down the final nine in front of the greens. You know, I'm like five, nine and a half, right? He's just trying to box out one of the greatest of all types. So we fast forward in 2003, and we're playing with Mike Weir and Wayne, his partner. And Davis is playing with John Lennon. who works for, no, not the, no, he's already dead. I was about to say how that happened. I mean, my years are messed up on something.

He was one of the top dogs at American Express. Anyway, you know, we were having fun with Wayne all day long and telling stories and everything like this. My stepson was a big hockey player, you know, he really wanted me to get an autograph from Wayne, right? So I hadn't done it all day long, all day long, and Davis pipes it down the fairway and we're watching Tom Lehman

makes a put for birdie and now we're tied, right? This is the last hole of the tournament. This is a last, this is 70 second hole. 70 second hole. Shit is on the line. Yeah, shit is on the line. And, you know, and I said, this is a great opportunity because he's over on the left side

of the fairway. We're the right side of the tree right there, right? So I go over to Wayne and I said, hey, you got to sign this for my stepson. You know, he takes one of his balls and you sign it and everything, you know. And I turn it around and, you know, it says 99 on it, you know. I turn it around and I go, why are you using Mario's balls?

Because Mary Lemieux was 66, right? He said, get the fuck out of your company. Well, Davis is yelling at me at this time. You need to get over here. He said his second shot at 18th at Pebble Beach and you're over getting an autograph. Tied for the lead. Tied for the lead, yeah. At what point did you think this was a good idea?

I was going to say after the round feels like a good time when you shake hands. Well, you know what? He needed a distraction because we were waiting for the group in front of him, right? He needed to think about something else. This is good strategy by you. So I just went over and I didn't, you know, and then we just discussed it with a four-hander and he hit it to 20 feet and two-pudded and we won the tournament. And you got your autograph.

So it works. Sometimes players don't understand what you're doing for him psychologically. It's above that, you know what I mean? But you get it. Yeah, basically I was over there getting an autograph and never thought that at all. The Mario jokes. I thought I had enough time. The Lemieux jokes.

good too. What are you doing, dude? Get your own ball. You're known enough. You probably get your own number on that. Yeah, exactly. That's good. Good.

On the last hole, you go up, they'll make, that's, he answered like, if I had a Jordan question in there, but you already hit it. So good on you. Stiffy. Yeah, you're the bad. Big Stiffy.

Appreciate you. All right. Well, that was our man Cubby on subpar. Slee's the caddies. They are so fun. They have the best stories. We've got to get more caddies on the show. They're coming.

Talk to a few. Just recently, by the way, for some name players, so we will get more caddies in the mix, and they never disappoint. All right, we are on to the Rocket Mortgage, and the PGA Tour is in full swing, and you can get in on the action with Fandual. Sign up, and you'll get a no-swet first bet up to $1,000 back in bonus bets. All right, BG, like I said, the Rocket Mortgage, it's here, it's coming, it's probably going to be a birdie fest.

Time to cash in. Use your no-sweat bet on players like the guys were about to mention. I'll let you start it off. Cole, who's your favorite? Yeah, so the odds aren't out yet, but we're going to go, we're going to go ahead and throw you some names out there, and then we'll update it later on in the week.

But listen, it's been a struggle for this guy as of late. I think he finally found something at the traveler, is getting the top 10 shot 62 on Saturday. I'm going to go with my man, J.T. You can't keep him down this long. He's coming. He shows some nice form, bounced back after that big number out at L.A.,

and he put some birds on the board. And like we said, you're going to need tweeters this week. week and the guy I got this man is making a grizz of them right now made more than anyone out of LACC two weeks ago kept that going this week where he had a chance a legit chance at a 59 burger his time is nearing why not this week give me BDR Ricky Fowler stand up let's get this thing done the face of the rocket mortgage classic he's an ambassador for them so I hope Ricky continues this great play I was actually on the call for the 60 it was a lot of fun to watch him coming down the stretch had a good good look at it didn't hit the best wedge into the last but still a hell of a

round of 60 um a little further down the board this guy also makes a ton of birdies that first win's coming soon saw it the gala let's go baby oh that would be a very very popular win on the pj tour i'll be rooting for that i'm going i'm going a little bit dark with my dark course this week cole but like i said low scores expected this week this guy his two best finishes on tour came in similar style shootouts fifth at punta kana where he shot 16 hunter and he was runner up at the Byron Nelson where he shot 22 under. He's got seven straight made cuts and he's top 25 in five of the last six. Give me Austin Eckroote up in D-Town.

What do you think about that? Yeah. Pride of Edmund, Oklahoma. How about his high school at 1.10 straight high school golf titles? Not terrible. Not terrible. They produce some really good products, including we hate to give him a shout out, Hayden Wood. Oh, shout out to H-Town.

Shout out to H-H-Town. He was riding on the coattails of Eckrod all the way to them state titles. By the way, he had a legit look for 28 on the front line at LACC for the lowest nine holes in major championship history. So the kid can make some tweets. If you like these, you can bet them to win outright, top 20, head-to-head matchups. Right now is the perfect time to join Fanduel. You have to safe, secure, and easy to use. There's a wide range of betting options and props, including the things I just mentioned.

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That's right. That's exactly right. Catching up to my waist size. Go get you're creeping up on it, doggy. A couple more. more. All right, everybody, we'll talk to you out next week's up far.