Subpar - John Limanti and Joel Stock talk the unique life of PGA Tour caddies

Episode Date: June 25, 2024

On this week's episode of GOLF's Subpar Colt Knost and Drew Stoltz are joined by PGA Tour caddies Joel Stock and John Limanti. The men on the bags of Will Zalatoris and Akshay Bhatia talk the biggest difference between a good caddie and bad caddie, becoming SAXX underwear models and how life has improved for caddies since they got their start on tour. -- We are excited to share our listener offer from Ship Sticks, who gets you from your front door to “fore” easier than ever. They’ll pick up your golf clubs from your home or office and deliver them on time, guaranteed, to golf destinations anywhere, in and outside the U.S. No more airport headaches, no more lugging heavy bags. Just easy, stress-free travel for golfers like you.Ship Sticks. Because golf is hard enough.Use code SUBPAR or visit www.shipsticks.com/subpar to learn more and take 20% off your shipment. -- Thank you to SAXX Underwear for partnering with GOLF’s Subpar.  Enjoy 15% off game-changing underwear at https://saxx.com with code SUBPAR24 now.  -- Subpar is brought to you by our friends at Cincoro Tequila.  Cincoro Tequila is ultra smooth, rich, and delicious with a long luxurious finish. If you’re interested in learning more about Cincoro or if you’d like to give Cincoro a try for your next time on the course, you can go to https://Cincoro.com or your local spirits retailer to buy a bottle and give it try. -- Subscribe Now: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCt5ESUx6omMUsMoEKvMTzlA Shop The Birdie Juice Collection: https://fairwayjockey.com/collections/birdie-juice Follow Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/golf_subpar/?hl=en Follow Twitter: https://twitter.com/golf_subpar?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

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Boom. The Travelers Championship, my goodness gracious. One thing was not a surprise. Scotty Shepheler wins again. The guy is unstoppable, but it wasn't without a little drama. And it had nothing to do with the golf. had some protesters run in there on the 18th green before the boys were getting ready to put. Yeah, that was a, I mean, what a disaster of a moment.

These people, these protest people, they're everywhere. They're at sporting events. There's people gluing themselves as a floor of NBA games. They're throwing paint on paintings over, you know, famous museums and shit like that. I can't despise a group of people more than I despise these people. And also what they're doing is like, no one sees that. and is like, you know what, I'm going to back their cause. I like these people.

They're just blowing up this sporting event right in the biggest moment that I paid a bunch of money to go see. I cannot stand these people cold. We need to throw the book at these people. By the way, one cop got in a nice lick on Homeboy who was moving slower than, I mean, it was like he forgot he was on the green. And he just got blindsided by this cop. So shout out to that cop.

They got them pretty quick, I felt like. Yeah, so I was in our trailer, actually. I had Patrick Cantley's group. He finished four or five groups ahead, so I sit in the trailer, waiting to see if I got a chance to leave and go to New York City a little early. Well, once they hit it on the green, they're on 18. I got in the cart with Parker, started working our way there, and all of a sudden I have this broadcast on on my headset, and I'm sure, oh my goodness gracious. And I thought Scotty Shepard were like, lipped out his butt. Nope, it was some people running onto the green. I'm coming the backway into the 18th green,

and here they come. All six of them getting let out in handcuffs. And I'm just looking at it. I'm like, you losers. Like, was that really, worth it. And by the way, I'm with you. They need, something needs to happen. This is not need to be a slap on the wrist and you just get bailed out tonight. Like, something needs to happen to these people. That is just, they can't happen anymore. Yeah, it's been over and over. And like, I love

that, I like that all the broadcasts now, like, don't show the person, because that's the reason they do it, right? Having at the Super Bowl, it's just going to happen at places, but they get no love. But I saw some videos make it around, like, Twitter, you know, from people that had their phones out. And I was like, I mean, this group, this collection of nitwits. It was on this screen. And I was like, you could pick them out of a lineup.

Like, yep, that's one right there. Ben on, by the way, who I did not think I'd be shouting out for a funny tweet. Had a great tweet. He said, like, man, all these cops on the green, Scotty's got to be freaking out. That's like, from Ben on. That's a nice tweet, dude. Respect. I was looking for you to get in the mix, too, dude.

My eyes peeled. I was like, maybe they're not showing it, but Colt might be getting some blows in right now. Well, Slice, you know, I'm a lover, not a fighter, but I can tell you this. If I would have been with that last group, I might have had to tackle one of them people running out there on the green. And that's just ridiculous. Cannot happen. Especially, you don't know what's going on as a player like Scotty Sheffler,

Akshay Betia, and Tom Kim. They don't know what that was going on. They don't know their protesters. They might think they're running at them. They had those smoke bombs or whatever they were, got red all over the green. Tom Kim actually had to move his coin over a little bit because of it. Just no place for it, man. But I don't want to give them any more attention because they don't deserve it.

I just hope they get punished for this. But let's tip our cap to Scotty Sheffler and Tom Kim because they put on a hell of a show out there. I didn't even feel like Scottie Sheffler actually even really played that good this week, and he shot 22 under, ended up winning in a playoff. I feel like he was this for like one of the few times this year, like we weren't talking about him like leading up to the entire week too, maybe because he finally didn't win a golf tournament at the U.S. Open and actually looked like a human being, really for the first time in a long time.

And if you had told me Scotty was going to win this week, I'm like, yeah, that makes sense. But also if I'm being honest, like this wouldn't have been the week that I would expect a great Scottie performance. I think he's kind of geared towards major championships right now. I feel like the U.S. Open was one was probably a little disappointing for him. He could be running on gas or running on fumes just because he's been, you know, playing so much lately and playing good golf, playing hard golf. It wouldn't have been one that I would have had him pegged for, but he's just that much better.

And by the way, back to your point, shout out to Tom Kim. Like, Scotty had that put. That's probably a putt. You know, it looked good. You damn near made it. But like, you're not expecting really to make that. Tom Kim had to sit there over, like, was one of the most nerve-wracking puts he's probably hit in his career. for forever, move his line, go through the whole shit,

and then he made it right in the middle. Props to him on that. Yeah, I mean, we've seen him make big putts in the past. President's Cup comes to mind. You know, every tournament he's won has been 20 under or better, so no surprise to see him play well there on a golf course, the third shortest course on the PGA tour. But he stacks up, man, I know he wishes he probably had that lob wedge back in the

playoff. I was with him there, and it had to be a big lob wedge. There was a lot of help when Scotty hit. And, I mean, I said it. The wind completely died down right before he got over there and hit it. I don't think he caught all of it. It sounded a little funny. But then to have it plug, really sucked and kind of just gifted the Scotty there.

But it was an exciting tournament. The Travelers always delivers, man. I love that event so much other than the Hartford Heckler, which I still have not seen or been confronted by. It's Hartford, dude. They just got some very vocal, very active fans up there. And this is like kind of armchair quarterback after the fact stuff. but kind of a shitty break for Tom Kim because he had 111 yards on that second shot

after they moved the flag, which I thought I was like, dude, that's a monster lob wedge. I don't care how much wind there is. I think it gets up there spinning. That's a big, big lob wedge. If it had been in the other location, you probably would have had maybe five more yards.

I don't know what it was. Probably was just an easy sand wedge, which would have been like a perfect club for him. I was shocked that he left it short. I thought, if anything, make Scotty make the putt. You hit it past the hole if you're a little bit in between, but easy to play,

armchair quarterback, but it could have been a shitty situation where he got in between clubs and with the original pin, it would have been a nice little smooth sandwich for him, just like he hit in regulation. Yeah, he would have had 118 to the original pin, which wouldn't have been lob wedge. I did think he had to step on it, but he had 105 front. They were playing for like 10 to 12 to help, so I did think at first he could get it there, but then it just came out. He didn't catch it because it definitely didn't get up in the air the way it did. Fell out of the air rather quickly and ended up plugging there. But tough break, but man, He's starting to play well.

This was eighth week in a row. He's playing this week in Detroit at the Rocket Mortgage for nine in a row. Oh, to be young again. I mean, just turned 22 a few days ago. So good to see Tom Kim back and playing well, though. And you and I were out there this week, Colt, for radio on Wednesday and talked with a bunch of the guys did interviews with some. My, like, takeaway from all those conversations was basically everyone seems tired.

Yeah. And it's a huge, I think it's like, look at who is it, like, Achshay, Tom Kim. They're there at the end, right? two of the younger dudes on the PJ tour. Like the guys that we talked to, some of the vets and things like that. I was like, these guys just sound worn out right now. They've had a huge stretch of golf with very little off time in the last month, two months, plus. Yeah, well, Scotty Sheffler is about to take three weeks off.

So the boys at Royal Oaks, good luck. You're all about to be broke with him spending three straight weeks at home. Y'all might want to plan a family vacation because Scottie Shepler is coming home and he's about ready to slap y'all around before he heads over to Royal Trune. for the Open Championship. I ended up actually finally getting my clubs over at the Good Good Midwest Open with Page Spiranic.

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And we got a couple of Sacks models on the show this week. Sleez, tell them about it. Oh, boy. I would say two of the more in-shade, maybe the guys, the only guys that are in the runnings if they ever do a shirtless campaign over there at sacks. We got Joel Stock and John Lamonti, caddy for Wills Aal Taurus and Akshay Batia. A lot of the people that reach out, Colt say, we love the caddy episodes. And these are two of the best in the game right here.

We just had John Ellis, who's spectacular. But I love getting with these guys. It's just kind of like a breath of fresh air. All I'm saying is they sat with this on Wednesday. Thursday, they went out there, cattyed their asses off. Both of their players shot 64 in the opening round. It's the subpar effect. Let's get to it. Here's Joel Stock and John Lamani on subpar.

All right, what a pleasure we have here at the Sacks location at the Travelers Championship. Two of the best ball handlers in the biz. The brains of the operation for Akshay Batia and Will Zolitoris. We got John Lamani and Joel Stock in the house, boys. Yeah. Welcome. What's up? Thanks for having us. And underwear models, obviously, that goes without saying.

By the way, your players, combined weight size. What do you think? 28 and 30? It's a course record. Who's 30? Well, is Will 30? Yeah, 30, 31. Okay.

That's a course record. Yeah. He wears them loose then. Yeah. 28, 31. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

59. The magic number. It's incredible. I was thinking about it, too, in that same vein, I think total pounds of protein bars carried for the entire year, you all have the lowest, the lightest load. Actually, we think? Nah, we've been pounding, you know, the protein bars. He's on a, he's trying to gain weight right now.

So how's that going? And he's maintaining, actually. so he's pretty happy. Tell him to come hang out of me for a week. I'll help him out. And give him a few years, too. Does he's like legit trying to beef up? He's drinking a carb, electrolyte drink every day and protein shakes.

His trainer will bring out on the range right before he go. Here's another protein check. He's like, oh, not another one. Really? He's like choking him down. Yeah, he's. Yeah, he is. Interesting.

Yeah. And Willie, I've been talking. He seems like he's beefed out. I told him. I was like, don't go getting normal size. You know what I mean? The skinny dudes need some representation out here on tour. he's just fine i mean he's you know he's pretty strong lower body he's just his legs are tall and skinny

but man he's pounding about five IQ bars a day on the course so he's getting the calories in shit we may have been wrong on that back at back at riviera i threw out there i said will's al tors is the guy out here that looks looks like his putter and uh i didn't think he heard that but then at the memorial the other day he goes by the way he brought it up i was like oh shit well that he took it well now and i actually he's got a groomman d'amry's hilarious dude will he's the bad both of them You've worked with some great players, be like, where does Will Alatorz's ball striking rank? Best I've ever seen. Yeah?

Honestly. Yeah. I mean, when it's on, it's just, it's fun to sit back and watch. Makes it pretty easy. I got 170, and he's probably going to hit that far. Yep. Pretty much. The putter looks miles better.

I don't know what the stats say. I don't really care. I always thought it was good enough before. Like, he put himself in contention enough times at big-ass tournaments with that. But it looks just more comfortable now. He loves it. It's been great. Every aspect, and it just gets better.

you know, the more he uses it over time. Yeah, if he makes any putts, it's tough for the rest of the field. He hits it so good. But you recently teamed up with Akshay Batia, been Adam Scott, Keith Mitchell, now Akshay. How did this all come about? Well, his previous caddy went to the other side. That's right.

And so kind of opened up. Actually, I was just going to fill in for the week, and it just kind of organically kind of came together. So, yeah, I mean, I was excited to get the call and try it out, and we're going strong. He's playing well. Yeah, he's been playing really good. He seems like he's figured he's a kid.

You forget that. I do sometimes. I do. He's been a pro for a while, right? Just how young he is, but he feels like it's kind of, like, clicking. He's just there more and more and more. Yeah, I mean, for 22, I wish I had that head on my shoulders at 22.

I mean, I think we all do. But crazy. I mean, that's college. It's impressive. I've been very impressed. It's crazy to hear he's 22 because we've been talking about him for so long. Right. But I mean, he is, he's starting to get comfortable, it looks like.

Plains him got me. putting himself up there in major championships. It's impressive. And I mean, honestly, y'all's players are very similar. Both great ball strikers. They kind of go as the putter goes. Right. Yeah.

Yeah. And, by the way, I've got to go back to any caddy for Adam, Scott. Did Adam get a little jealous that maybe he wasn't the best-looking guy on the team? That's a good question. Did it bother me? I don't think so. I mean, he's a stud. I mean, you're an underwear model.

It's the same thing with, dude, Skobron now with Ludwig. I was like, eh, tough break, buddy. You hit two. You're number two now. I think there's a lot was very jealous mr. Lamani by the way he is a hundred percent it's not like you when we poll people and say who's the best-looking caddy out there and John's name comes up Joe gets a little offended well it's amazing how many people actually come up to me thinking I'm him sometimes I'm like

oh that's an insult we will not tell him oh hey Joe and I'm like actually you mean John and they're like no no Joe I'm like well okay never mind here I got a question for one that doesn't come up with best looking cat is John Ellison Johnny Marlin nice work Johnny Marlin God bless you with a fellow sax model a little Tranny Air. By the way, you guys can confirm this. We had Ellis on. We're lucky enough to have Jelly on a couple weeks ago. No less than Jelly, correct me of them wrong. 17 times he referenced this photo shoot you guys have. That in fact was a cold morning. Can you confirm that? So cold. It said it was cold 17 times. It was like 45 degrees and blowing 20 at 6 in the morning. So objects in picture are larger than they appear. Fair to say. Fair to say.

All right. I just want to confirm that. All right. Give me a little idea like so. Sacks reaches out. Okay, we got this idea. We want you all to model some of our underwear. What was the first thoughts, Joel? Where's the boundary line? I'm 50 years old and I got two kids. So I'm like, you know, you're in a elite shape. It's, thank you. It sounds fun, but I'm like, okay, how much are we going to push the envelope here? But I thought they did an incredible job, both shoots that we've done with them. It's classy. It's funny. And that's kind of the whole goal is to laugh and have a good time and kind of show people who we are and then show everybody how great sacks and all their

products are and john i mean you're not scared to take your shirt off shows to show a little skin pop you had to be rather you had to be rather comfortable you want to do it right now no sir i have a deal with the wife and that's not happening but um no it all happened i saw gino at a tournament he's like johnny he goes we're going to be underwear models i'm like what like what are you talking about like and so he kind of gave me the inside scoop with everything and and here we are like i mean it's been amazing it's been fun so it's a different time like you remind 10 years ago there were no caddies with like deals you know what i mean like exposure and things like that they all have what's been the reaction from the players when this first got an out because it kind of made some

waves like oh my god look at all these guys and it's some of the most well like caddies by the way on the pjure yeah i mean what the players think well the caddies are like how do i get involved of course of course and we're like well they see we're out math they see it's I think our players laugh. Exactly. We need Shannon Wallace to get on the Sacks team. Well, we got Flater. That's exactly.

You can say it. You can say anything on this show. Nobody's listening to anyone. We got our big guy. That's great. We call him the big saxi. Big Sacksie? That's good.

Big Catsy? We asked this to Ellis when he was on. Seasons were getting into the shoot stuff. He thinks the most natural in front of the camera. Who is built for being the underwear model, wife. Gino. I mean, as far as doing all the speaking part, I mean, we just default to

Gino for most of the speaking parts. He loves it, eats it up, and he's really good at it. What was the word John Ellis struggled with during the... Oh, yeah, yeah. During the shoot? I know it. You remember it? Testicular. It could not. Apparently, 32 takes, and then they finally...

They just roll. I think they just... We love you. Thank you for the... Bye, Joey. We love you. Thank you for the drink, by the way. Beautiful. Yeah, apparently testicular took 72 takes and then finally I just changed it. Right now, I just say balls.

It's too much. Too many syllables. Well, it's funny because it's not in the yardage post. It was cold that morning. Yeah, it's cold. Yeah, it's freezing. Good point. John and John, as he was the fifth ballmaster, one of the photographers, he said, how am I going to, you know, can I call you guys a nickname or something?

And if you see what he's wearing, I said, oh, that's Johnny Marlin. Yeah, Johnny Marlin. So it got to stuck. That's a good name. And so it all kind of. happening right there on set. I'm going to have to bring that to CBS. Next time when I get the attention.

Johnny Marlin on that. You don't know? You should. Yeah. You should check out that Sacks underwear model. Yeah. So y'all are underwear models now like we're talking. Things have changed in the caddy world.

Now, outside of the bigger purses that you're playing for on the PJ tour, you guys have been out here for a while. What's the number one thing or the way that it's improved? Life on tour has improved for caddies since you started until now. I mean, definitely, I mean, well, catty hospitality. It used to, we used to have the caddy. wagon and we had to kind of, you know, go find it and, you know, go in there and order some food and kind of wait. Now, I mean, they're taking great care of us inside in the air conditioning.

I mean, our setup this week is phenomenal. I mean, full hot bar. I mean, so we're getting, you know, fed really well. And they're definitely spoiling us from a, from a caddy hospitality. And we have the Caddy Association, the Association of Professional Tort Caddies. Scott Sagenac, who's our president, has been for a few years, does an incredible job. I mean, And we have emails going out every week lining up different hotel options. And it's just it's a different world from when I started. I kind of missed the caddy wagon. We all do it.

It's like a diner on wheels. It was great. Cady dines, Colt and I are both by, it's just four caddies chopping up here today. Colts got one loop. Never missed a cut. Never missed the cut. I've only missed one cut. That was Wyndham's fault.

But we made the cut before and that was all me, basically. So we get it, dude. We're just caddies, you know, chopping it up. But the catty dining is the best. spot in the place. You get the real scoop. I'm very open about it. I used to be rather hard on caddies. And the one time I caddy, I just got put through hell at Phoenix this year, where the weather was horrendous, 33 holes on Friday.

And the dude hit it all over the map. I was like, this is payback. This is karma. Did you gain a different respect for us in any way? No. No, kidding. Yes. Of course. It was, well, first off, Taylor is an asshole. Okay. I went through the bag on Wednesday. He had a gallon Ziploc bag that had to have 60 gloves in it. He had 50 electrolyte pouches, like 22 golf balls.

I'm like, dude, what are we doing here? He's like, well, I don't want to get rid of my stuff. I was like, you get them for free. We can get more. And by the way, we only need to care about three gloves. We'll be fine. Put him in your locker. He is special.

I saw you. Yes, I did gain a lot of respect because it is exhausting, especially where he hit it some places. I'd be like, hey, man, you got to give me a second. Believe it or not, there's no sprinkler heads. I got to go find one. The man hit it out of bounds on 15 at TPC Scottsdale. Where's the out of bounds?

That's the road up there? That's the right question. He goes, what's over there? I said, Mesa. Good answer, Cole. The FBO, dog. That's where Jordan and John and all them fly out of. You might hit a PJ over there.

Oh, my God. You just hit a G5. And then the next day I text him, I'm like, hey, I'm driving down the 101. I just saw a Taylor made two bouncing down the robot. It's got your mark. Bow and Big Way, they were like, dude, some of this stuff you say to him, I'm like, this isn't my full-time job. I'm not to have fun with it.

It was great. He hasn't asked him back for next year, guys. believe it or not. Yeah. You may talk to your boys. He's kind of cheap. I don't know. A little bit different.

Question, because since both he and I have looped, I got done with the week, I was like, I'm fucking beat up. Like, my body hurts, especially the staffer. Those things are obnoxious, by the way. But whatever. What's like the most, what do you guys got to do on off weeks? Like, legit take care of yourself. Like, you go, you walk as many miles as you guys do a year.

Like, something's got to break down. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, you constantly have to, you know, stretch and do, you know, band work. I feel like for me, it's like, you know, you know, just make sure my hips are like in a good position because I mean obviously carrying the bag and and then just working on like your posture because everything pulls you forward as you're trying to go up the hill or so you're just I you consciously think about like posture but I mean I'm I'm I'm a guy I love massage so when I'm home I mean I get one or two massages a week.

Cole likes to yeah yeah I like that yeah oh yeah I love massage. I'm a big fan I am he's got a certain yeah certain specific type that he loves. I don't know if you know this these two We both spend a lot of time in the gym. So they keep it. These are the show funnies of the sacks. Going to the gym after this? Yes.

I just went. Yeah. God. I will say the 33 holes, no. I've been up since 3.15 this morning. I'm exhausted. But I will say the 33 holes walking in the soft ground and everything. Nasty.

Fleena was staying at my house, fellow underwear model. And we both got on the couch in my house. And I've never been so tired in my life. Body hurt. I was like, I'll order food, but you have to go to the door and get it. That was her deal. I'll pay for it. But I'm not.

Not getting up. I couldn't. It was... Those days don't happen a lot, but when they do, especially in wet conditions, man, with that soft ground, it just kicks your butt. I'm like of all weeks, really 33 holes? Yeah, that's brutal. It sucked. It was tough just sitting out there and drinking all day during that day. I couldn't imagine walking around that bitch. It was tough.

All right, here's a real question for you, philosophical question for both of you. I want you to finish this sentence. The difference, the thing that separates a good caddy from a great caddy is blank. John. you caddy like you're not afraid to lose your job. Meaning, meaning you're going to tell them exactly how you're feeling and never just kind of agree

because they're trying to, they could try and talk you into something. So you have to really stand your ground and catty like you're not afraid to lose your job. Like you might say something that they might kind of make them upset but it's the right information. So sometimes you just have to kind of just be very straightforward. Because sometimes the player, they're like,

well, what do you think of this? And you're like, no, we've got to do this. So I feel like just being very honest with yourself and in the situation, you got to... Joel, in just a second. Don't be a yes, man. Does that take time to develop that, like, credibility? Otherwise, your player would be like, you know, I was always a dude that showed up in the parking lot because I Mondayed into something. I was like, I don't, you know, whatever he says, like, you don't know my game, but it's got to take some time to develop that credibility.

It does. Don't talk about Sambl like that. Samble is trash. He couldn't even get me through Q school, dude. Imagine not getting me through finals. What a bum ass. I'm so talented. He ruined me. No. What would you say, though?

I would say, be prepared. You know, just know the golf course. I don't care how many times you've been there. Walk it. See what kind of shape it's in. See if there's anything new. And then, like Johnny's saying, I always just said, tell the truth. I'm not going to be right every time, but, you know, you want me to do the best job I can do.

I'm going to be honest with you. It doesn't mean I'm right, but I'm going to tell the truth. I remember you speaking about being prepared. Like last year at Phoenix, I was out doing the TV and I was just looking at the golf course. And there's Bones, who is Caddy, TBC Scott Stale, probably 500 times. And he's out there walking the course on Monday or Tuesday, like just looking at notes. I was like, that's unbelievable. I mean, this guy knows every inch of this place for sure, but he's still out there doing his work.

But it's amazing, but even one loop when you've been there a bunch, it just refreshes you from all the years you've been there. And you just remember little spots and little places you can get up and down you can't to different pins. Who was a guy for both of you when you first got into caddy in? Like who was someone, whose brain you picked a little bit, one of the veteran guys? My first kind of mentor was Paul Tesori when I started with Crane back in late 2009, early 2010, and I just asked questions. And, you know, Paul was gracious to help me out and kind of help with some of the processes that I still use 16 years later. Yeah, Ted Scott, Paulie as well, but Ted Scott, he definitely helped. You could ask him anything.

You still can. You know, you can go and, I mean, what a guy. Is he going to be okay after that, like 50th place finished last week? I tried to buy him lunch today I mean Yeah, that's I mean What are talking

Yeah, I know It's unbelievable And seriously though Like a perfect match too Yes Those two together I mean they're just Ted is just so great for him

Keep Scott he's so comedy Obviously Scott he's a stud But they just seem like a perfect match They are right I agree I feel like caddies are kind of like The football equivalent Like the O line

They're massively important But they get no credit And basically their whole job Is like stay out of the media Don't say anything Like be unnoticed We've had a few on the show That's their whole thing, right?

But nowadays, I feel like more players. I think Jordan maybe be the one that kind of put it in the forefront with Greller. I think Wyndham does a great job of it with John as well. But when your player acknowledges something, maybe he's getting interviewed, and it's like, man, my guy said this or my guy pulled this club and I want to hit this one. Like, what does that mean to you as a caddy when you get brought up by your player for, like, actually kind of facilitating what they do? I mean, it builds confidence.

It helps build the rapport. And it just, you know, when you get in that situation, it just makes it. that much easier when he knows that, you know, he might not, you know, tell you in the moment, but after the fact, you know, it might, like you said, just kind of in an event interview and you're just like, oh, sweet. Because a lot of times they don't tell you directly, which you're not getting the feedback. Like, you, that's fine. And that is fine. That's what we do. Like, that's kind of, that's, that's part of it. So it definitely helps build confidence. Just makes you want to work harder. Yeah. Yeah, I feel like that's more common now,

which I think is awesome, because it is, as it, we've done nothing. We've been out for one tournament, like whatever, and you guys are in the big ones. But like, the way you talk to your guy, I think sports psychology is arguably the most important aspect of being a guy to knowing how to handle your guy, when to handle your guy, what to say, what not to say. Right. Did you agree with that? 100%. Yeah. Well, you've both obviously given a lot of good clubs over your day, a lot of good reads. But is there one whoops that stands out? Come on, Lamani. You've had I don't know. I'm sure I have.

It's just a little mystery. I let those go quickly. I mean, I've had a couple ones on like the only two that really come to mind are actually like shorter wedges on par fives where I whiffed on something. And I've never had like a sea a moment where it sailed over the green. But definitely like a like a lob wedge to like 40 feet and you're scratching your head. And then you're like, oops, sorry, Bodden. And the two times I can remember he made both pots. Oh, that was kind of like a thank you moment.

Nice. Thanks for saving my butt. I mean, the first one that comes to mind for me, I was actually catty for Chris Stroud, this is how long ago this was. But at Memorial, second hole, we're down on the right side there. And, I mean, it was 110 with the heat index. I mean, it was, we just made the turn. And I remember I, I think I added eight instead of subtracting eight. And so I caught myself.

So I called him off the shot. It can happen. And so he's like, what's going on? And I said, man, I gave you the wrong number. It was 16 yards off. So then I get the number right and he hits a shot up there. And he's like, dude, that was the coolest thing. I mean, that was unbelievable.

I mean, that was awesome. I mean, you know, Chris was. Like, just so, like, positive. I thought I was making the biggest mistake ever, but he didn't hit the shot. So I just remember, like, just, I always double check my numbers, like, while they're kind of going just for that one instance. Yeah, the adding when you're supposed to subtract or vice versa. It can happen. Yeah, it can happen.

Yeah, it can happen. Yeah, it can happen. See, your guys, Matt Irwin did that to me at Torrey Pines when you're, uh, subtracted instead of added. And I, like, oh, wedge it. like 95 yard he said 95 and you know when you hit something 95 right oh yeah and it came up like 40 feet short and I'm like we get up there he's like I messed up and your guy makes the putt I three putt it 105 it was 105 it was 105 it wasn't even close he goes I knew you were gonna three plus that of course I'm playing with charlie hoffman who hurt the whole thing and just let erwin have it next all the part

it used to be 17 on the north now it's eight maybe I guess and I hit it's like two feet I didn't say a word to erwin did my own yardage it's like two feet charlie nice club map being the seagull, that he is. Speaking of nicknames, Caddy's got great nicknames. Give me your favorite caddy nickname. You know,

recently I heard one, it was in the way Ray. I thought it was pretty good. In the way Ray, and apparently, he's not one you want. He's out on the golf course before the first group,

like out there lasering stuff. So he's out there working hard, but it was just like, in the way Ray. I thought it was pretty. And last call, Lance, was, It was pretty classic.

That was pretty awesome. I like the letter that goes with it, like businessman Bill. Yeah, I mean. That was always my favorite was businessman Bill. That guy. Businessman Bill is an OG. Yeah. Put some respect on his name.

I was like Montoya because he had a couple. He had overkill and like Deep Dish. Deep Dish is good. I remember Deep Dish at the Greenbrier was caddying for Scott Gucheski. We're on 17 to par five and he tried to throw his apple core into the creek and it went behind him. He's an athlete. I was like, that was the most unathletic thing. unathletic thing I have ever seen in my life.

Missed the Creek went behind him. It was beautiful. You guys want a juicy burger of a question? I got one right here I just thought of. Sevent second hole, major change. All right, perfect example. Take Zander at the PGA of Al-Halla. Put to win it, right?

Whatever it was. He had it red inside left. All right, he calls you in. You're his guy. Your player calls you in and says, what do you got? I love inside left. You think it's half ball outside left.

What do you do? But he loves that line in his brain. inside left but you think it breaks more do you do correct him or do you say I love it boss go get him that's a juicy burger I mean yeah that is tough I mean if he's an aggressive you just maybe don't just reminding that it's uphill I mean it was an uphill put yeah so knowing your guy if he's a die putter like if you think he's gonna die that putt I would definitely say you know even uphill some guys kind of die putts in so I mean I would definitely say something I see more on the 72nd that takes

Yeah, I mean, he's asking once again. If he misses that thing high, he's going to be like, this motherfucker. Yeah, he misses it and then he beats Bryson in the playoff. Like, there you go. Yeah. Got to put your balls on the line. Yeah, you got to protect your balls. That's a good point.

Joel? Affirm that confidence, man. If you read the situation, if he loves it and, I mean, if you're nitpicking in that situation, just instill that confidence. I think that's the best way to go. A little not quite serious question. You and I are both bald and beautiful. Absolutely. I'll never forget Washington, D.C., your old boss, us two went to Ben Crane, went to a movie together.

Yeah. So let's just say this. I was going to ask this to stand for Steve the other day, but I forgot. So you, me and Ben Crane, grow the hair out for a month. Okay. Who's got the best hairstyle, you think? Or maybe the most hair? Who's got the most or the best?

I mean, I can see you in the back. You got growth. All I can tell you is this. When the pandemic hit, you know, kind of like everybody else, I was like, you know what? I'm just not going to touch it for a while. and I was about three or four weeks in, and I was at home, and I went for a walk with my family, and my wife's behind me, and we're walking back to the house,

and she just kind of politely says, you really are bald, aren't you? And I went straight in and shaved. I was like, no, this isn't working for me. That's tough. Yeah, so I don't think it's me. I'm going to say it's by you, Colt. I got the back too.

What are you got? Are you a horse shoe? I'm gone up top, yeah. Horshoe around? The crown? I get a little just twigs. You got the crown? You'd look weird with hair at this point, I feel like.

You'd look weird with hair at this point. Even if you got the plugs and came back flowing, it'd be weird. Herlacher wanted me to do that restore thing, and I was like, I don't know. Why? Yeah, dude. Ball's good, dude. Kevin Strills, shout out. So much money on hair.

It's so easy. It's so easy. Strills got a little plug up too. Shout out Kevin. You'd look great. What? You just feel that? I got too much late.

We're here at the Sacks place. We got beautiful Aaron Fleanor, who is not scared of a microphone. No, he's not. And neither are you. Yeah. Yeah. Come on. Let's talk you and Flaner have a little singing competition.

I didn't even know about this. I used to sing professionally, yeah. Yeah. For real, for real. Back in the day. I'm retired, though. What did you sing? Like, what kind of, give me a guy that sings like you sing?

I sang a lot of gospel stuff with my two older brothers. We used to tour around and sing. God, you're on tour? Yeah. You were a gospel singer? This is pre-caddy. I just found this out today from Ellis. He's like, yo, ask him about being a singer.

I was like, what are you talking about? Can you give us some, maybe a little son? I'm retired, bud. I don't have it anymore. I mean, MJ, I'm out of retirement. Give us a little amazing grace, dude. Baby. Okay.

Got some loving. Okay. You and Flayner started a band. You heard us at T-Bones that night. We got after a little bit. Flaynor, he ain't scared. The second the song comes on him, he's just all about it. Oh, he loves it.

I mean, he just gravitates towards a karaoke bar. He's a showman. The amount of money I've spent for him to skip a line at a karaoke bar. It's just ridiculous. It's worth it, though. It is. He is a showman. I was like, these people suck.

This guy can sing, and he's going to bring some energy. Let's go. Can I have something from a jealousy slash interested standpoint? It's a podcast. You don't have to ask if you can ask. Yeah, but this is like a little bit personal. I would say, it's been said that you two have the best calves on the PGA tour of everyone. There's no denying right now.

Do not. This is the one area of my body where I'm lacking, boys. What can I do to be more like this? Is this just God-given? Am I fucked? A lot of genetics. A lot. I mean, I've had them since I was 16 years old.

Same. You jump high? Were you bouncing in your day? I could. I could dunk. Were you bouncing? You could smash? I could.

Not anymore. Yeah, yeah. But, yeah. Basically what they're saying is Sleager 39 and they haven't. I'm like Iverson, dude. He could dunk if you remember. Never got hurt, by the way. Give me your, if the caddies went out, 18-hole stroke play,

who's the best golfing caddy out here? take John Ellis any day. But he lives the shit. He'll freak out. Best player to never have any status on a Corn Farrar, PJ, or PJ Tour, John Ellis. In my opinion. My humble opinion. I played North Barrett with him two years ago at the Scottish, and it was blown 30, and he hadn't touched the club for four months,

and literally didn't miss the center of the face once. And broke par. Elite ball striker. Worst brain in history, terrible putter, but those go hand in hand. Yeah. But Teter Green, it was a tour caliber guy, for sure. I was with Wyndham at Wells Fargo when he won for the first time.

And, I mean, Ellis was just a superstar caddy. He always is, but that week, like, just in trying to get that first win was just so positive. And I was like, John Ellis was Terl Hatton as a player and Tony Robbins as a caddy. It's just unbelievable. He's 180 degrees. He was the most angry. Like, I played a million rounds of golf with Dallas. And, like, 20% of the rounds, he ended with less clubs than he started with.

And he shoot 68, but he did, like, his seven iron's done and his 60s gone. So you're going John Ellis. I'm going Alex Gaggart. Yeah, he's good. I mean, qualified for three in last year. Yeah. He did, and he had a chance to qualify for the U.S. Open this year. So there's some good ones.

There's some good ones. I mean, you got Willie Wilcox. We obviously used to play. He used to play. Willie's really good. J.J. Jockervich can play. Really good. Denny's guy.

Your guy. Derek Smith. D. Did he just crush some. I play a lot with Griner. He is, dude, he's a great golf thing. He doesn't hit that far. Griner's clean.

Griner's very proper. Very clean. And then Derek and his partner just crushed some caddy tournament recently? Is it like a four ball? No, they, I think that. They just smashed something. Him and JJ. He and JJ won by a million, didn't they?

Like a nine-hole scramble. They won by like two or three. There's some dudes who can legit play. We have come up with this idea. No one's allowed to steal it. But, you know, they do all these matches and stuff. They're kind of boring because the guys don't do personalities. We need player caddy match.

We want four players, four caddies, teams. On HBO. And that would be fun. That'd be great. They'll throw some stuff out there. Show them. I think it'd be awesome. And get you all under the lights a little bit, get a little pressure going.

I think it'll be hilarious. A little roll reversal. You got to add a shot and Willie comes in and got to coach you up on it. Like that'd be fucking sweet. Man, I'm getting nervous thinking about it. Yeah, I mean, maybe you do it shirtless just to make you more comfortable. Or New Orleans one here. They do player caddy.

That'd be fun. Alternate shot player caddy on Sunday coming down the stretch. I think that would be a home run. Clean up, file one. As long as with Mulligans 4 ride on 18 Can you buy Mulligans? What?

Joel, you played at Oregon. I did. Great player. What's both of y'all's like handicaps right now? I'm a one. Solid. I mean, but it's, I haven't played much. Looks and talent.

I have a two and a half year old. And once she gets into golf, I'll, I'll be at the golf course more. But for the last two and a half years, I haven't been there much. And I have a little boy on the way, too. Oh, congrats.

Thanks. We'll be on the golf course soon, but more consistently. But right now it's when I'm home, I'm staying out of the heat. I live in Florida and, yeah, family time. Got that Taco Lou hat on. That too.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Shout out to Taco Lou. Don Nicol. Jacks Beach. I'm a zero right now, but it's very inflated because Will was out for a while last year.

So I think I posted like 65 rounds and that's more golf than I've played since I was probably in college. So. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They got a little time off. A little time off. Which is nice for the game.

Before we wrap it up. I got a little game. Yeah, let's do it. I got some of these. All right, we've done it with caddies before. A couple of them maybe cause a little situation. So now we're just doing it. This is going to be like fluffing most people.

But it's player or caddy most likely too. And then the situation. And you guys can both answer, okay? I'll give you, all right, here's an easy one to start out. Let's assume y'all are a player. Give me the caddy you'd most want protecting you against an unruly fan. Just to just handle the situation. Maybe whoops some ass if need be.

I would say Hubbard's caddy, Matt. Yeah, Pecanza. Yeah, Pecanza. I mean, he's... I got to agree with that. He's a brick. I mean, I think he would throw down.

Pinterest guy, Mitch. She's playing the other. Yeah, he body check you. Wouldn't mind him. Is that you too, Joel? You say that? Would you agree with that, or do you guys... I agree with that.

No. Here's a little slight variation, bonus question. Which caddy is most looking forward to having an unruly fan where they get to Regan? Who wants to smoke? the most. Go for it. Pepsi.

Yeah. I don't, I mean. Yeah, yeah. But going back to that last one, I'll tell you another one that I don't know, but I think he could handle it. Phil. Phil. Oh, yeah. He's a big human. For sure. There's some big, he works out a lot, too. He's a big, good. Tell you guys, not to be fucked with. York. Bird Dog is a thick little bastard. Yeah.

Dude, he's, he's athletic. He's good. He's soft. He's so soft. If he hit him in the head, there's nothing up there. Well, he's dumber and Ross. He's like a Zumba. He'll just run into the wall a bunch of times. He's like a Zumba. He'll call him Zumba. He just aim him out of wall and he'll just run into it a million times. It'll fucking run.

That's so good. That's it. He's not Bird Dog anymore. He's Zumba. I got one. All right. Your players are off the table, but you two are out to dinner. Okay.

Tour player sees y'all. Most likely tour player to pick up the check for y'all. I like that. Good question. Adam Scott. Not surprising. He can afford it, Andy's really nice. I'm going to go soft.

Oh, our next guest. He's coming up after you. Coming up right now. He seems to be one of the most well-liked dudes by everyone, fans, players, Goddys, tournament officials, whatever. At Hilton had a few weeks ago, myself and my little sidekick Parker and one of the girls that works for CBS, we're out to dinner. H.D. was at the table next to us?

bought our dinner. Wow. Yep. He's so nice. He is so generous. I always see him giving money. He can play some golf too. He can play some golf, too.

Yeah, absolutely. All right, what's your next one? I got a next one here. I got an answer in my brain. Let's see if y'all go here. Caddo who gives the worst. You guys like to gamble. A lot of, a lot of picks being thrown around in Caddy dining.

Who gives the worst gambling advice? Oh, goodness. Can I answer one? I don't gamble. I don't gamble. We'll be to say Burdoll. I was, too. Bird dog.

Elis. Zumba. Elissa. Zumba. Dude, please start. Tell him his name Zumba. Zumba. That's a fucking great name name.

Ellis is close. He's terrible. I tell you who thinks they're incredible. God, I drew a blank on his name. Scotty Vale. Scotty Vale thinks he can like break Vegas. He just every time he's like, oh, I had this last night, had this last night.

I'm like, you are lying. You are not that good. He thinks he's a sharp. Respect. You got to just keep firing. You just got to keep firing. All right, I got another one. for you. Here's an easy one. Give me your, it's weekend, twosomes. Favorite player

caddy combo to be paired with. From a fun perspective, not like Tiger, like it's going to be crazy. Who's your favorite? Um, Will Zalotaurus and Joel Stock. A strong answer, bud. I like that. A couple of politicians. I like that. Uh, man, we just had one recently that was just really fun was actually Corey Connors and Danny Saul. Danny's, Danny's, Cory's awesome. They're great. Canadian too. So nice. So chill. It was a lot. It was all. awesome Canadian tour legend Danny Saul That's a good one I'll give you another one here

I got one for you you got one okay we got this wonderful team of five underwear sex models okay you can recruit one guy to be the sixth Who would it be? What do you think we're going with What's the criteria? Likeability or sex appeal? I mean

maybe a little bit of both the hybrid I mean you got a big wave Dave Oh yeah big wave Love big wave Dave he's great get him in one of these shoots, he could be a little wave, Dave. You know what I mean? Cold mornings in Florida. He could be like kitty pool, fucking Dave.

Bird dog. Bird dog. Oh, he would. You wouldn't be able to talk to him anymore, dude. He'd be standing in front of all five of us. He'd show up with a gallon of water and a notebook, you know, like it goes to the gym. I know he's doing all. He's probably shooting himself in the ass with a needle.

All right, I'm ready. Oh, my gosh. All right, here we go. I'm more likely to happen first. Gino gets a reality TV show or Fleener signs a record deal. Coin flip. Yeah, that's a 50-50, but I mean, Gino's probably well on his way to a reality show.

I think he is too. Fleener wants it. I think he could do it. I don't think Fleaner really. I think everyone wants him to do it. Morgan Wallen came not going to hand. He needs to open for me. Oh, he would do it.

He's on the first thing smoking. Sorry, James Tyreo out of here. Hey, good luck. Good luck at the John Deer. I'm like Madison Square Garden. It's not like the first tournament comes to my brain. I love the John Deer.

I love it too. I do too. Duck City? Gino, reality show, like just following him where he stays and doing all the bullshit that he does.

Like that would be a good little, that could be a YouTube show. He's easy. Oh yeah, he's great. He stays like the first 48. He's signed the most autographs. 100%.

Yes. You know? I remember the US Open at L.A., Joel's carrying his bag. I'm like, where's June? He's like, back there signing autographs. I was like,

Jesus. Unbelievable. He's smiling on little kids' faces. He's an adult. Well, guys, this has been awesome. Caddy, this is the greatest shows there are, dude. You guys are the best. Thank you guys so much.

Thanks for having us. Thank you so much. Thank you. Zumba. We got to get that going. Zuma. Zuma. Zuma.

He's now Zuma. He's now Zuma. You aim her in the corner? It is. All right, guys. Best luck this week. Thank you. Appreciate it.

Thanks, boys. All right, that was another fantastic Caddy episode on subpar. Joel Stock, John Momati. A lot of fun sitting down with them. Special thanks to Sacks for setting us up a great little spot there. at the Travelers Championship in the fan zone. Had a lot of fun sitting down with them, Sleece.

Love those guys, love all the caddies. And Sacks has done a great job with all they do. Their product's awesome, too. But I feel like the guys they got to represent that brand. Like, they pick all the right guys. They got a great crew. Yep, they did. They got a cast of characters.

I can't wait to sit down with the rest of the team in the future. But it's time to pick some other great guys. Our picks for this week's Rocket Mortgage Classic up in Detroit. I'll be there all four days. Thursday, Friday, Golf Channel, Saturday, Sunday. CBS and this is Sunday night so the odds aren't out yet so we're just going to give you a winner and I'm going to go with a guy who he's just eventually he's going to pick off another one still I think working his way back from injury the long putter has been a game changer he's a

ball striking machine that never leaves him he opened with 64 last week kind of faded the rest the week give me will zaltaurus okay okay I like that especially since we just had uh joel on the show I'm going to go with the guy colt running a little bit warm right now only guy last week to break 60, a little 59. And I'm like, and then followed it up with a 65 by the way, which wouldn't the easiest thing to follow up with 59 from what I've told. Never done it before. But keep waiting on him.

Keep talking about it. Like the talent level is there. The guy is a monster. And what better week than now for him to get it up? Only three guys in the top 30 in the world golf rankings out there this week. So it's ripe for these guys at the top. Oh, he's coming. He's going to get one eventually.

He's so good. He's so good. How about his 59? I had Scotty Sheffler that afternoon walking with him on Saturday. And I said, I know you've broken 60 a few times. How many he goes, I don't know, five or six? I'm like, you don't even know how many times you broke 60? That is disgusting.

That's like, that's hole in ones, dude. It's like, how many guys are at 28, 29? I'm like, that's, that's absurd. Like most people, like, it's the only thing they want to do before they die is get one whole and one. And he's, ah, 28. Oh, okay. Yeah, not knowing how many times you've broken 60 is, that's a weird one.

It is. But man, it was a fun week up there at the travel. A shout out to them for putting on another great event. I'm off to the Rocket Mortgage Classic, and we'll talk to you next week on Subpar.