Subpar - Jordan Spieth Interview: Hosting Arnold Palmer's last Champion's Dinner, behind the scenes of the team room at the 2018 Ryder Cup

Episode Date: October 6, 2020

On this week's episode of GOLF's Subpar, three-time Major winner Jordan Spieth joins former PGA Tour pro Colt Knost and his close friend and on course rival Drew Stoltz for an exclusive, interview from Royal Oaks Golf Club. The winner of the 2015 Masters talks what the team room was like at the 2018 Ryder Cup, why his caddie, Michael Greller, always calls Justin Thomas from a certain hole at Riviera, and what it was like being the host at Arnold Palmer's last Champion's Dinner.

Hello world. Welcome to another episode of golf subpar brought to you by our newest sponsor, Rockform, the ultimate golf speaker. If you want to go check it out, go to rockform.com and enter code subpar for 25% off. That's code subpar at R-O-K-F-O-R-M.com for 25% off rock form speakers. It is absolutely incredible. Perfect for a round of golf with your buddies. So Lee, speaking of buddies, boy, did we have a time in Dallas, Texas. We had the Rock Form thumping. We had unbelievable guess. It was an all-time trip, man. got this first one that's coming to you right now. We're going to keep this intro brief because the speech interview, he was nice enough to give us a long time, man. As long as an interviews I've

ever seen, Steve Kiff, what an unbelievable dude. We've got into pretty much anything you can get into, but that was an unbelievable trip. Hopefully we got more lined up, but this one was nails. Yeah, we dug deep with Jordan Spee. It was a lot of fun. So let's just get right to it. Here's the golden child, Jordan Speeith on golf subpar. All right, welcome to a very special golf subpar. We are in Dallas, Texas, Royal Oaks Country Club, home of the great Colt Nose, and Jordan Speed. You may have heard of the guy. We've got to give him an introduction anyway. 11-time PJ Tour winner, three-time major champion, the Golden Child himself, Mr. Jordan Speed.

Ex-Golden Child. Thank you so much for being here. How are we doing, brother? I'm doing great. I'm doing great. Thank you guys for having me. I'm always here. I'm always here to come on with you guys.

God, we love you for that. You say that now. Just give it 45 minutes. Yeah, get it 45. You'll probably tap out on this pretty quick. you're not the golden child what do you think you are i can't go at you well i've been on i've been on a bad run of cards i did get like every time i hit it towards a tree it found its way into a fairway nowadays it's like a normal bounce see so the gold child comes are good bounces are good yeah no i

no i didn't my run's not done i'm just on a bad run it's like cold cards yeah exactly yeah they tell you to get from up from the table but you can't leave the table never leave right in golf you can't you know i'm not going to stay i was in a gambling slump recently and i'm not out of it and you know how I got out of it? Betting more. Just keep betting. Shoot or shoot, dude. You got to shoot. You got to shoot. You got to shoot. Because like he said, everything went in his way for quite a long time, right? I mean, if you were playing gin and you had the six of spades and the eight of spades, like, he

knew the seven was coming. There was no problem. I remember 2014 was his first master's and Justin Thomas wasn't in the field yet. And we're watching, I'm watching on TV in Dallas. He's at home. He's not going to like this story. He blocks it right on number seven. The par four, dog leg left. And they get behind Jordan this camera angle, and it's just the perfect hallway between the trees. And there's the pin right in the middle. And Justin texts me, he goes, are you freaking kidding me? Like, look at this.

Did he say frick? Yeah, maybe not. All right, yeah. But, you know, Justin's got an image to protect. So I don't really say that. But the Golden Child is here. I'm very excited. I've been wanting to do this for a very long time.

Please don't touch my leg. I didn't touch your leg. I accidentally just touched your leg earlier, and I apologize to that, but it'll probably happen again. This is a big, this is a large drink that we got right here. Let's go back to the beginning, though, when you were just a small, Golden Child. Okay. Okay.

You won the U.S. Junior in 2009 and 2011. Quickly, who had happened in 2010? That had to be disappointing. I got knocked out. It's actually funny now. It actually makes me look better now. It's like when you got dumped in grade school and now like the girls like super hot and you want to like brag about it.

For me, this was that, that moment in golf. I got knocked out in the first round by like 13 year old skinny Robbie Shelton. Oh, nice part. At the time, like, I've gone in and I, you know, I would, I don't remember. I must have been. I would probably think it was the favorite, like number one ranked and whatever the rankings were in junior golf and whatever. And I, I would, I played really well in stroke play. And I think it was the second round because I think the first round is kind of breezed by.

I'm like, this is going to be easy. And I just got my butt kicked in by Robbie Shelton. I'm like, who's Robbie Shelton? And now, you know, he's a stud at Alabama and now he's already turned into a stud on the PGA tour. How'd you handle it? I wanted to come home. my dad made was in michigan egypt valley my dad forced me to go over to grand haven and have a weekend and uh i remember a lot of weird things though how bad was it what was the number final number

no i think we went up to 18 but i was like a par five and i bogied it when he was one up i just handed it to him uh it was one of those yeah it was anyway thank you i mean let's focus on the other two years yeah about nine and eleven i was talking about the good years yeah 2009 was at trump and it was interesting because it was the first time I had met Donald Trump, clearly obviously, the president of the United States now. And it was a very interesting week because he'd show up in his helicopter and you're like, this guy's just chopping in and out of New York and stuff like that. And he was falling around the whole week. It's kind of bizarre now that he's running the world, essentially. When you won that first one, did you kind of think like, okay, this is the start of me doing

something really special in this game? Yeah, I think, you know, that was, I was 15. That was kind of the year before, I'd made it to the semifinals and lost to Cameron Peck who won in Birmingham at Shull Creek. And I felt at that point, like I can compete with guys that are, you know, going into college at the highest level. And I was maybe as a freshman or just finished freshman year of college. So, or high school. So, yeah, I think after that one, it was, it was like, man, this feels great. I kind of feel like, you know, winning was, I obviously love. the feeling. I loved how you had to get through matches. As you know, as a U.S. Amateur Champion yourself, you're not. You're not. We bring it up every show. Oh, sorry, I did forget about

the Publinks. Don't bring it up. You got to, in those seven matches, you got to win. You're going to play poorly in a couple of them. You got to figure out how to beat that guy, you know? Okay, fine. I didn't hit every single fairway like you do. So, being you in matchplay, it's probably about as difficult as beating anybody. I can't believe I'm just going to blow smoke up Colt this entire time. Please, God, stop this, right? We can have to edit all of the... All right, let's start over from right now.

Yeah, I want to see them blush. All right, actually, we got to ask you about one thing, though, that you didn't win. Because back in your junior days, you know, first off, you've won the Masters, obviously. You've won the U.S. Open and the British Open. The PGA is the only thing missing from your record. But if you look back to 2008 and 2009, you're a runner-up at the PGA Jr. Yeah. What is it with the PGA championship in general?

You haven't been able to get it done at any level. They set up some shit courses. one year, T.J. Vogel won another year. God, you do remember everything. The greats remember all the sights. You know, and I don't, I don't be that guy, but at Whistling Straits, I finished second to Jason Day. And I, the difference in the draw that first round was three strokes, three strokes. Three strokes. And, uh, and I was on the, I was on the bad end of the draw. Jason was on the other end. That's a difference of six shots. Yeah, that 2015, you got a lot of bad breaks. Was that, yeah, I'll tell you what, that was about the only, well, the British that year, we had to suspend play.

I was playing with Dustin Johnson. Remember he was leading? It was so windy the ball wouldn't stay on those greens. The greens are not rolling more than a nine or ten. And we had to stop play there. So, you know, I just, you know, there was, yeah, I got some tough breaks out here. It all reverts back to the mean. Yeah, dude.

Golden Child, we got to rename him, the bad break kid. Yeah, man, it just. Before we get to the prog off, though, I want to talk a little bit about University of Texas. Okay. So you went there. First off, did you ever think about skipping college altogether and turning pro and if no where else did you look at going to school besides UT there were two guys two people who I talked to that were for skipping college and going professional I had a dinner meeting

one time with Chubby Chandler the longtime agent of a lot of the European guys Lee Westwood and Darren Clark a lot of guys who talked to me at the time about Peter Euline and Brooks Kepka in their route they decided to go over to Europe and he said you should do that now go over to Europe, travel the world, learn how to kind of play professional golf. The other one was Cameron, my instructor, Cameron McCormick, he was like, I just don't see the huge advantage necessarily and the potential disadvantage is going in, not staying focused, getting caught up in college like it's happened to other people, which he didn't necessarily think would happen to me, but he was just like,

I think any route you want to take turning professional could go. But for me, you know, I just, I love team golf. I love team sports. And so it was just, I want to go in. I want to win a team national championship. I want to go where I'm playing against the best players in the country every single day. And at Texas, we had five All-Americans my freshman year. Yeah, and you win an NCAA title.

Yeah. And so we went in there and it was just a dream year. I think our team won eight events that year, including the nationals. at Riviera, of all places, on a 30-footer that our senior hit on the 18th hole. I mean, it just couldn't be more storybook for college. Yeah, I mean, I just, you know. How'd that go? I have that scorecard framed at home from that match.

You think he's still a little bit of that? It's hidden, though. It's not like, it's not one of those things. It's not up front because it really wasn't that much of an accomplishment, but it's there. It's there. He's like the elephant. We've got to rename him the elephant because the memorand. I remember there's two moments from that match.

One, number nine, I got into trouble out there. I think I drove it in that cross bunker that you just are dead. Had to lay it up, missed the green with my third, and I think he had hit a couple decent shots. And I had about a 30-footer, broke about 10 feet left to right, from the left fringe to a front pin. And I hooped it for par to, I think, stay one-up on him. And he was, he was, he's told me since then that he,

That one he's remembered. And then I hold out for a two on number 15 with a four iron. Yeah, he caught a nice little slope there. I hit it out on the right side, and it did. It took the slope, but the slope's there. The slopes are you used the terrain, dude. Yeah, on the field player cult, and I'm not here to hit straight shots. And it went in, and anyway, so that was that match, and our team won three matches.

I mean, as good friends as y'all are, though, that still had to be like, I'm sure he didn't take it very. That's funny. So, you know, my catty Michael, he's a huge college golf and amateur golf fanatic, which I think is a very weird, I don't feel like that's very common. And every time we play, and we play Riviera every year, it's one of my favorite courses in the world. Every time we get to 15, he FaceTimes Justin, no matter where we are. He first time Justin. And so now, and Justin will keep answering it because he's like, I know you're there,

and I just, I can't, I don't want to stop and just decline it because it makes it worse. so he answers it, and then he always just points to right where I hold the shot from. That's beautiful. I love that. That's always good fun, yeah. But like Colt mentioned, like your freshman year, your first team All-American, Big 12 freshman and player of the year, won the NCAA championship as a team, and then you turn pro partially into your sophomore year. Were you always planning on, like, turning pro that earlier? Was it because, like, hey, I've done everything you can do already pretty much in one year of college golf, and now is the time? If you hadn't won all that stuff, the U.S. Amateur was in Denver.

It was at Cherry Hills that summer. And I'd gone in thinking I would play well there and then turned professional right after. And I got knocked out by Thomas Peters, who came over from a European event. It's just another weird story. He came over from a European event, got in late the night before the first round

hadn't played either course, got in in a playoff. And I was like the sixth seed maybe after stroke play, playing well. But he had just won NCAAs individually. at Riviera, obviously a great player. He won quite a few times in Europe now. But he got in late, got in through the,

and I drew him in the first round. I'm like, you've got to be kidding. Nice. Come on, man. Just give me, let me just leave my mind. And I lost to him there. And I ended up three days before school started. I called Coach Fields when I'd already told him I was leaving

and said, is there any way I can come back to school for this fall semester? Because I didn't have anywhere to play in the fall. This is before. This is pre-Q school. this is the last year of Q school got you on the PJ tour. This was also pre, you know, all these big events in Asia now and all this. This is all, shoot, it's eight, nine years ago now.

Eight years ago. I'll help you back. You only went to one year of school. A year and a half, that's what I'm trying to tell you. I went back for that other semester. You get the numbers in year two. Yeah. And so I called him, he said you can come back.

So I got to play four more college events before going to Q school, which did not go as planned as well. I get it. Two school is a bitch. Let's stay at University of Texas for a second. What kind of classes was Jordan Speed taking at the university of Texas? Run me through your daily schedule at UT, dude. Who went to more classes?

You or Vince Young? Ooh, good question. How long was he in school? I don't know, but I just feel like y'all probably went to the same amount. As long as he wanted. Yeah, fair. I will say, I had a mix. I was in, I took, my grandpa was a conductor.

an orchestra. My dad grew up in a music family. I played piano growing up. I took piano, beginner, like beginners piano at Texas. I never told me. I never, I never, I never, I never told my teacher. I never told my teacher. So, so I, I literally went through that class, like trying to dumb it down a little because I already, like, it's not like riding a bike. Like, it's not that easy, but I used to play competitions when I was like 10, 11, 12 years old. Really? Piano competitions. I mean, I played all sports, but then I had the N-Piano, too, man. I was well-rounded.

Yeah, yeah, you're a cultured dude. Wow, I've known you for a long time. He's so culture, dude. Now, if you told me to go into the lobby here and play the piano, I got nothing for. I play a couple chords. That's it. I can't play anything. Don't try to hustle me.

We can't bet on who is the better piano player. Yeah, we can. Anything I can find a way to wager and win on you, which is very rare, I'll try. But anyway, I took piano, but then I also had, like, a rhetoric class that just kicked my ass. I mean, it was, yeah. So it was like, um, yeah. So it was like, it was a mixture. It was about half and half.

Half were like, this is a little, this is, this is, I can do this. I might be taking advantage a little bit. And half that are, half that were, that word. That's the perks though. Was that a hard decision for you to turn pro after that year? Being a superstar athlete in Austin at UT, not the worst situation of all time. But being a golfer, a bit different. But dude, but you're the, you're a little different.

a different golfer than like a normal golfer you know what i wasn't yeah i wasn't colt mccoy there it was like hi i'm jordan yeah i'm on the golf team you're on the golf team all right well it wasn't you know it was uh um no i i i just i was i really just went back that last semester because i i really wanted to play a few more events i think coach field is like hey if cue school doesn't work out maybe he'll come back in the spring you know the big thing is playing in nationals and and and uh they had bo hossler coming in at the semester that i left so um he's going to come a semester early. You missed Bo, man.

I miss Bo as 18-year-old on the planet. Big Bo. Yes. But you mentioned Q School, though. You go there in 2012. You don't make it out of second stage at Craig Ranch. Was there ever like, oh, boy, I'm not quite ready for this, or was it just like, you know what, this happens?

I'm going to be fine. I'll get sponsor exemptions. I remember going, I hit like 65 of 72 greens. I couldn't put it in the ocean. That seems weird. And I remember going from Craig Ranch, and you know how far this is. I went two different nights from Craig Ranch to Brook Hollow to get on CAM system because I legitimately could not put it in the ocean.

Interesting. And I mean, I hit 65 greens at Craig Ranch and didn't make it through second stage of Q school. Like, it's not a hard golf course. They're not hard greens to put on either. They're just very gradual, sloping, bent grass. And it was really bad. So at that point in time, the only thing I was worried about was if I'd be able to put good enough to be able to compete on the PJ tour.

That was it. Do you think you can? Do you think you're good enough butter to compete from the PJs? Yeah, I mean, you know, you can get streaky at times. Yeah, right. You're a streaky guy. But in all honesty, that was what I was thinking at the time. I'm like, man, I'm striping it, but I can't.

So I finished. I remember getting done with my last round. And they didn't really have fans. I don't remember anyone being out there, really. I remember going to like firehouse subs, picking it up, eating it, just being like, I ate it there. because I was like, I don't really want to drive right now. I'm really, really upset, really pissed off.

I kind of went home and I'm like, well, now what do I do? Like, what's next? You know, I already said I'm not going back to school. I already turned my last paper in at that point. That was beginning of the end of November, right? So I just, I remember going back. I was living at my parents' house. I lived at my parents' house through, even when I got my PJ Tour card.

I lived there until maybe March of 2013. Now you upgraded to a nice apartment here in Dallas? I did. I had a nice apartment. In 2013. You got a time share? And I've lived a few places since then. But yeah.

You turned in that last piano paper. I got room for Colt. You got to turn in that last piano paper and got, did you expect to just cruise? I mean, you'd never struggle. You've done nothing but win your whole time. You know, it was first semester freshman year, all right? I had to turn in an English paper, all right? Okay, yeah.

Come on. Work on that degree. But did you expect to just cruise through Q school? Like, I've done nothing but when since I've started holding a golf club? You know, when I looked at the names at Q school, you kind of look and you're like, all right, I've played against these guys. I know these guys that are, you know, whether they were seniors or juniors

or whoever they were in college. And even the guys that, you know, we played so much. Colda had me out here through high school. We're playing with Martin Flores. We're playing with professionals all the time. And I feel like I'm competing with these guys. And so I really just thought, I didn't go in with a big head thinking this is easy.

I just went in saying this is part of the process. And it didn't go well. And I'm like, well, shoot, I didn't really think about it doesn't go well. You know, I mean, I wasn't over. confident, but I wasn't, you know, naive. I was just like, it was just... And you go into 2013, you're playing off sponsor exemptions.

Obviously, you wrap up membership pretty quickly, temporary membership and all this, and then you go to the John Deere. Yeah. You kind of skull a bunker shot. We don't have to talk about that. Yeah, was that a half knife. We'll talk about that later, but I feel like a half knife. The more I'm like, man, I really just nipped that.

It was really nice. Yeah. Right up to see it. Put up on the flag and just straight down. I mean, it would have been that one that goes like two feet past it and just stops. Yeah, you keep telling. yourself that job. It would have been right there, dude. So, anyways, but you start that year with no status on any tour, and you go, and then you get a call from Fred Couples to be on the

President's Cup team. Yeah. The end of the year. Like, was that something like, holy shit, I can't believe Fred Couples is calling me right now? I owe a lot of that to Phil Mickelson. I played with Phil the final round in TPC Boston that year. And I shot, I think, 62 in the final round to move up to fourth in the FedEx Cup. Obviously, that makes a huge move in points. But I was playing with Phil, and I was already kind of on the bubble. I hadn't played enough events, especially any of the majors. I think I'd missed the cut in the two. I made the cut the British.

I didn't play the Masters and I missed the cut in the other two. And those are obviously the heightened points, no World Golf Championship. So I hadn't been moved up enough, but I'd been playing as well or better than guys that were on the team or even close. And I played with Phil, and I know he made a call. He told me after he made a call to Fred right after and said, you got to pick this guy right now. Of course he takes credit for you being on the team. You don't think Fred would watch.

Fred, I think, obviously, Fred would have done it. I mean, I think he was just kind of trying to figure out what he wanted to do. And Fred, yeah, I remember receiving the call. I remember right where I was. I was literally on the highway driving to Providence. But isn't that crazy? Like, literally, I mean, seriously, almost a year before, you're missing at second stage of Q school,

and now you're suiting up for Team USA on the President's Cup. Yeah, from like, from my first professional start missing the cut. San Diego to going to Panama, Colombia, Puerto Rico, Tampa in a four-week stretch that was really

what jumped started my career that four-week stretch. That was the like, I went to Panama thinking, I'm going to try and play well, top 25, get to the next week

and play the web.com at the time tour. And by the end of that four-week stretch, I had status on the PJ tour. Did that happen like faster than you thought? like you're like oh my god i can't believe this is going this fast we're so in the moment it didn't even like really trigger i just i like i remember it being remember just being just fun i mean just a fun ride like we went down it was new places i never been to south america it's like uh i just had a good time at each event you know it was

it was none of this um it was none of this like uh what you kind of get caught into a lot of times like where am i staying you know do i really want to stay at that hotel it was like man i don't know where i'm saying i'm just going to go i'm just going to go i'm just going to go and and play and there's obviously a lot to be said about that but um i i finished second at porto i had a i just i was playing well and it's a windy bermuda golf course right up my alley and i i finished second there which got me close enough to where i felt the pressure was off at tampa i'm like i'm going to get a lot of starts now on the pj two or off of this i'm going to get five more starts all i got to do is one top ten and i'll get so i'd really i didn't feel that much

pressure i had a put for par on the 18th the 72nd hole in Tampa about a six, seven, eight footer, right edge on 18. I don't remember stuff. Do you remember it? Yeah. Can you recall anything about it? I remember it because it was just one of the coolest putts, you know, when I looked back because I knew if I made it, I finished tied seventh and that was enough to get me my status. Otherwise, I'd be close, but I'd get it in Houston or whatever was a few weeks later. And I remember knocking it in and fist pumping. And I'd I'd hold a flop shot on 17 the hole before, so I finished Bertie. And then I drove it down the middle of the fairway on 18 and had a wedge in.

All I got to do is make par to get status. And I dump it in the front bunker and then hit it out and make the putts off. But do you realize, though, that that second at Puerto Rico was honestly the best thing that could have ever happened to you? Because you avoided the Puerto Rico curse. Is there a Puerto Rico curse? Yeah, because. Yeah, dude. All the guys that win there.

No one's ever won't ever again. It's like a, it's like a. Tony? It's like a curse term. He was never won again since. Victor Hovlin or Tony Thinoleau. Victor Hovlin probably will break that curse, but yeah. So that was smart to get second.

Brilliant. You don't win Puerto Rico. It's a rule. Yeah, good move. I promise you I was trying to win when I went on the- But can we go to the bunker shot at the John Deere, which was an incredible shot? You nipped it perfect. I think that's an unbelievable shot, dude.

But without that. He's already here. You're on special. He's not going to leave. We already got him here. You're on special temporary membership. But that gets you as an official member. When you get into the playoff and then you win and now you get all the majors.

You get the FedEx. Cup and things like that. Where does that shot rank, that bunker shot in terms of, like, most important or best shots you've ever hit in your career? I think it was, uh, because without that you probably don't get, I think it just sped up things that I thought would already happen. Like, it just sped them up faster. Like, I thought, okay, if I'm not in the playoffs, not in the President's Cup, like, this is what I'm going to work for next year. I'm not in Hawaii, like that kind of stuff. Places that I want to go and play in, the Masters, you know, like, obviously these are a lot of different things I'm mentioning right now, but I always thought

that I'd get there. Like, I always, I always believed in my abilities to be able to get there. Obviously, by the way, I had been playing that year, I knew that I could, I could win. I didn't know when it would happen and time was running out by the end of the season, but I was like, perfect. I have my, I mean, I had full PJ Stewart status, like you're mentioning. Yeah. I mean, a year before, I was still doing a paper. I was failing out of kids school.

Eating at a firehouse, probably never eaten that since. Hell yeah, I have. Yeah. Yeah, I love it. I, yeah, I, yeah, I love it. I, I, yeah, I, yeah, good call. the uh i just yeah i just it was awesome i will rank it up there you know very very high but as far as life changing i think you just sped things up a little quicker just expedited what you

expected to accomplish yeah i mean i just yeah i felt like i was going to continue to improve and and just move on yeah but obviously getting and going and playing in an open championship you know i I mean, every time you can play in an open, that tournament right there in itself, there in Augusta, in my opinion, are you just learn more and more each time you play one. You learn something about some shot that you need to work on. You need to get better at. That just doesn't present itself in a normal event. All right, I want to tell you about a new sponsor we got here at Subpark called Rockform.

It is the ultimate speaker for on the golf course. You can connect two speakers at one time for surround sound to really piss off the other groups around you. It's fantastic. go to rockform.com and enter code subpar for 25% off. That's code subpar at R-O-K-F-O-R-M.com for 25% off rockform speakers. Well, let's talk about Augusta, though, because obviously, I mean, your track record there is absolutely ridiculous. I mean, you played six times. You've had five finish inside the top 11.

But you go to Augusta, your first time as a rookie. Basically, your first three years at Augusta National, your name was at the top of those old school leaderboards when you look up. It's crazy. What is it about that place that, from... Just fits your eye. First three or four? First four. Okay, whatever. Correct him, Jordan.

Don't play with Ricky in the second of last group in 2017. Remember when you just said you weren't going to correct me? He prized himself on these stats. I feel pretty good at him for the part. I just remember the first three specifically. Yeah. You go there. You're tied with Bubba Watson, 54-hole lead, going into your first Masters Sunday.

I mean, what is it about this place that just brings out the best in Jordan's peace? It's my favorite tournament growing up. It's the most memorable golf shots I remember watching as a kid falling in love with the sport happen at the Masters, whether it's Tigers chip on DeMarco or Phil's Putt or, you know, whatever it may be. Why is DeMarco always there for those moments? Poor guy, dude. He's taking such brutal. Just world-class shots.

But on the seriously, had you played Augustine National at all before you qualified for the 14 Masters? No, not before I qualified. I had gone out in 2012 with the University of Texas. we were playing in that Augusta State invitational they always have. So I was there on the Monday in 2012. I remember a guy in by the name of Bryden McPherson from Australia was playing in the Masters that year as playing a practice round. I was watching on Monday.

I'm like, I play against this guy all the time. Like, this is, why am I going to play this other golf course? Like, this guy's playing 15. It was on 15, I saw him. I'm like, he's hitting a shot into 15 on a Monday. Like, this is bogus. Like, I want to be out here. This is crap.

and anyway I played it in the first time I played it was late 2013 I played in October of 2013 Eisenhower tree was still there that winter is when it fell which the 17th hole has been way better to me than it would have been

if that tree was still there I've had a couple kind of little kind of quackers down the left side and it wouldn't have been good if that tree was there but I remember I just remember I played the back nine the first time we got in late, played the back nine,

and I played 18 the next day. And I just fell in love with it. I mean, it was just, it's a field golf course. It's the undulations in person, you know, the TV can't show, whether it's the greens or the lies that you're hitting off of. And it just felt like it was a field golf course. It felt like every lie you have makes you either have to work it really hard against it or you're working it with it and that's going to work it really hard into the green.

So it's like, it's just such a, such an artist golf course. I mean, it's just, it's an artistic golf course that you've got to hit every single shot in the bag, whether it's high, low, or mid-trajectory, fade, draw, whether you're holding slopes. I mean, when the wind blows, it adds another element. Is it true that you don't use a green book at Augusta National, but you use it everywhere else on the PJ Tour? They don't have greens. Right, they don't have, so you don't use them there, but you use them everywhere else.

Do you think that's an advantage to you? Like, you like the artistic feel to the green? Yeah, I've almost created my own over the years. All my yardage books, I have all the fall lines to the pins. And so I know when I'm close to the fall lines, and I don't do aim point, but I have a good awareness of, you know, the greens are at a 13, and I'm at a,

this is probably a two or three degrees slope. I got kind of a good awareness of what it's supposed to do. But what I love on the greens is that I always feel like, even if I have a dead straight putt, which I just don't like dead straight putts, I'm always looking for something in them. when you have that that race creek pole to it which there is there's a pull down the valley there i always feel like all right the putt might break a little right but race creek is going to throw it left

and it's just like this this pocket i feel like this very this comfort level i feel when i'm putting out there and i've putted the golf course really well even when i have not putted well in tournaments around augusta um like 2018 i couldn't i couldn't put it in the ocean and and uh had a chance to win there are two different rounds. I must have been strokes gain four or five on the greens. I mean, it's just one of those, like, it takes me out of the technical element and right into the feel element that you try and do every week, but that one it forces it. Yeah, it definitely does force it. I mean, with no green books, you have to just revert to your artistry, which you're fantastic at. In 2015, it was just a magical week, the whole week

around. I mean, you just absolutely dominated. I got to ask this one question about 2015. You stood on the 18th T, you were 19 under. The record's 18, but Tiger. voice did you did it cross your mind at all i had no idea really i had no idea so when you made boge on the last year were just like yeah one things are great yeah i was only pissed because i was like i just hate to end it with like missing a five-footer and tapping in another one and when i was like i missed i like a whatever it was a six five six footer for par i hadn't missed a freaking put the whole week and i miss it i'm like really i got to go mark this and wait again and now like now what am i going to do like and then i didn't plan anything you know

I just kind of was like, it just came over. Your reaction was awesome. You didn't have like a celebration plan? Like, this is what I'm going to do. No, like, this is what I'm going to do when I tap this in. I never, I never let it come to me that I was going to win this golf tournament until after I'd hit the chip. Like, when I walked up the green and you get the standing ovation, I was up four or five.

Yeah, it was over. I guess four, because Rosie bogeyed, too, to fall to tie, I think, with Phil. And he was in a bright bunker. I hit a little slap cut off the tee. I had to hit five iron, like punch slice. I probably had the distance, I probably had 170, but I was like, I'm going to hit this five iron, just kind of cut it, make sure it's

right to the green. And I had just like a little chip up there, hit a decent chip. And I was just, I had no idea with the record. That's crazy to me. Considering you remember everything else as we're now understanding. If you asked me what the, I know the record in major championship rounds is 63.

I don't know who holds them where. I don't know what the scoring record is at the USO there or any of that. now so it's no longer oh good point yeah you're right at the british open i did at burkdale yeah but let's let me this though you put the green jacket on that evening at what point did you realize oh my god my life has just changed or did it change yeah i think when i went up to new york the next day that's when i realized it i remember getting up there doing like the talk show stuff which i was like this is cool and then we went into like dinner at some italian restaurant and i remember the whole place standing up and and doing like a round of the jacket on.

No. I was in, I was just in a normal whatever. I just walked in some one table stand up, stood up and then the rest of them stood up. I was like, yeah, this is going to be a little bit different. Things just changed a little bit. You know, because after the first masters, you still have like the guys that are, you know, out there, the autograph seekers and stuff. So like when I was in New York and we'd do a talk show and then, you know, guys will, there would be guys that have, you know, flags or hats or whatever it is and they'll literally run after the SUV that you're in and like be pounding on the window it's new york you're not gonna you don't get a smooth ride through new york i just never really thought much of that but when i went in the restaurant

there and that happened i was like this is this could be a little different yeah was the masters i'm sorry was the master's like the first time you know it's like okay my life is different or was it the john dear when you first won or whatever was it was the masters yeah i mean i can't go out in dallas that type of deal no it's you know after that it was like i just recognized, you know, I was, I never really thought about my age and stuff for that. I, I'd already felt like I'd been on tour for a few, it had been for a couple years. It's my third year, I guess. And I'd already played in the Ryder Cup, and I just, I didn't think of myself as 21. And when I kind of recognized, all right, I'm 21, I'm American, like, this is, this hasn't

happened since Tiger. This is, okay, this is a bit different. And, uh, um, so it was just, yeah, I mean, things started to happen differently. Like, people, would be coming to my door at 8 a.m. on a Monday or Tuesday. That's one of the things I was going to say. We were playing a FedEx Cup playoff event up at Bethpage and we were staying at the same hotel. And I remember you telling me you're getting ready to go to a proam. You walked out of your door at 6 a.m. There was two dudes sitting on the ground waiting for you. That's normal. That's normal stuff, dude. We get that a lot. This is we got it last night. Yeah, it was just, yeah. I mean, it was wild for a little while.

And then you start to kind of figure out how to, you don't want to ever have to do that because you want to just be able to go where your buddies are and hang out and all that. And I very well can right now. But at that time for a little while, it was very, very odd. What was the coolest thing? Like, you come back to Dallas, your hometown, you're the master's champion. What's, like, the coolest thing you got to do? It was pretty awesome going to University of Texas football game.

I had the jacket and the U.S. Open trophy that fall. Because you couldn't carry anything else? And I went to, no, because remember the bad draw at the British and the bad drill at the PGA. You guys, I mentioned that earlier. You guys weren't paying attention. No, we're here. We're here for you.

Going to the 50-yard line with those where the stadium full was about as cool as it got. I mean, that was pretty awesome. I mean, just I grew up a Texas Longhorn fan. My parents aren't from Texas, so you either grow up an Aggie, a sooner or a Longhorn when you don't have an affiliation with any of them.

I always chose the Longhorns. I ended up going to school there, and we won a national championship there. And that, you know, 90,000 people up doing, I mean, that was just different. Is that the last time, when was the last time you wore the green jacket in public outside of your house? So you only have it that year. Yeah. Do you only get it for one?

One year. So the only time I get to wear my own jacket, which it says it's yours on the inside of the jacket, is when you go back to Augusta National. So I'll wear it. I'll wear it in excessive amount every master's week now. Like I go out, I go out and have like a whiskey on the Champions locker room back porch in my jacket on like a Tuesday after I played a practice. Of course. As you should.

Because why not, right? It's my, I do it with Michael every time we go. We always go do that. And, you know, the Champions Center's there. And there's been a couple times I've accidentally, you know, brought it home from the Champions Center. You're not supposed to have it leave the locker room ever. Happens. Whoops.

I'm like, yeah, my bad. Well, let's talk about that championship here. Because I think that's one of the coolest traditions in all sports. Obviously, you got to host it. I know you did your Texas barbecue. Okay, and you've been to a lot of champions dinner since then. What do you do if, like, one of them sucks? Like, the food sucks.

Like, you just deal with it, or do you just be like, excuse me, Danny Willett, your food sucks. I want my Texas barbecue back. With Danny Willett, it was like, hey, this should be my dinner. Exactly. So I'm not going to like anything. You should eat. It's the best meal on Planet Earth.

I'm not eating it no matter what. Yeah. And your wine, no, not having it. I'm staying sober tonight. Yeah, I don't know what you do. I mean, I'm sure the food's always great. Yeah, I mean, they could serve haggis and make it taste good there, you know? But, you know, it's always that you have to choose, like, what you're having at cocktail hour,

and then you got the dinner and all that, and you choose the wine. I'm like, I just, I mean, I was 21. Like, what the hell do I know about wine? Yeah. But you have all the past Masters champions there that are still living. Like, who's one of the guys that always holds court? at the champion's dinner so my my dinner so it was 2016 so my dinner was the last one that arnold palmer attended before he passed away so that was that was pretty awesome um so you you get a menu you're

a menu and everyone has one and you just keep passing around so everyone signs each menu so is the last one that he put his signature on it at the dinner and i actually shared the locker with him there too so that kind of double, double cool. But it was, I don't even right, who holds court? It's Phil. I mean, Phil's got his section. There's really like three or four sections. Like some guy sit in the same chair every year.

It's just funny. Like you go into a classroom, you know, when you're growing up and sometimes there's a signed seat, sometimes there's not. And even when there's not, everyone sits in the same seat every year. It's similar to that. And then the hardest part is once it's not your dinner anymore, You know, who am I going to spend the next 25, 30 years sitting at this dinner with? You got to kind of make these choices.

So, yeah, who have you been sitting next to? I've actually tried to actually, I've tried to be, I've sat pretty close to Phil. I think it's really entertaining. Clearly, you know that. You guys probably both very much know that. I've been next to Zach. Zach's been a mentor and a friend, Zach Johnson, for since I came out on tour. But I try and get close to Phil.

That's always fun. Jack Nicholas tells a lot of stories, Gary Player, but that last dinner, my, that's what I was going to say, my dinner, which was Arnie's last, it seemed like everyone knew. And so at one point in the night, everyone stopped. Someone stopped. I think Mr. Crenshaw is the, is the host, then Crenshaw. And I think he stopped it and said, you know, let's all tell a story about Arnold Palmer and how he inspired us. And they went around the entire room and that was most of the dinner was everyone telling a story that's cool about arnold palmer while he's sitting there just you know blushing it that's something years old

unbelievable do you get to talk with uh arnold palmer much in that last dinner no i mean my only story i had was i was able to in 2014 my first masters before it started Wednesday afternoon I was told that all the masters rookies go to the Wednesday afternoon member party on the that and I was the only freaking player there obviously because it's the night before the master's but I had no idea so I was there I ended up in just a conversation with just Jack Nicholas and Arnold Palmer and it was and I was 20 years old and it was does that kind of relate to what you're doing right now more nervous with them or with me and goal right now I mean I like that's the same thing yeah yeah um I have more faith in Colts five wood than I did in

either one of theirs that's understandable yeah if someone needed hit a five wood I hate that Yeah, that club has lost me some money. And, but it was, you know, them both kind of giving advice on Augusta. That was only really Arnold Palmer story that I had, unfortunately. So my story didn't last very long. But there was some other guys. You know, when Jack and Gary Player were telling their stories, Ian Woosnam is holding court all the time.

Really? That's surprising. Fuzzy Zeller, you know, he's in there having some booze and having a good time. Yeah, I mean, it's, Especially. There's just little corners where, you know, different guys are. Is it a weird dynamic? Because, like, some guys like you, you're trying to win the golf tournament, you know, in the upcoming week. And some guys are like, I'm kind of here. It doesn't feel that way.

Like, I'm not really here to compete. I'm here for, like, ceremonious reasons. It just really doesn't feel that way. It just feels like it's just a cool room. So, Jordan, it seems like Augusta is like the place that gets your juices going, one of the most special places, obviously, with all the, all the experiences you have there. What do you think back to, now you got back-to-back majors coming up at Augusta National. What's that do for you, like, mentally? Is this the place that you, like, oh, my God, I got two of these in a row now? Yeah, it's awesome. I mean, this is six months ago.

I was like, man, what a year, if you can get hot from August to August, I mean, there's no better time that you can imagine in your career. I mean, you've got six majors. And to have two at Augusta in six months, I think it's awesome. I think November, I think, oh, we just don't know what to expect, right? I would think going into it, it's going to actually play pretty similar. I mean falls are pretty nice. They get the same weather we do here in Dallas a day later. It can be you know 40 degrees with a wind chill in the 30s or it could be 75 and fantastic. So

you just kind of got to be prepared for whatever. I feel good about the fact that I've played it a lot in the fall when they just overseed. So you tee off on one and you hit five iron in. And then the tournament I hit three wood, you know, eight iron most of the time just because it's running different. It's warmer. So I've seen. it play really long but it makes the fairways even wider I yeah I'm pumped I mean it's awesome I'm just happy that we're able to reschedule it you know the British Open the Open Championship I really wish we're able to do the same you know same thing and be able to have two of them as well I just hate hate missing either

one of those tournaments what's the biggest difference from a November is it is it the conditions and how long it'll play is it is it I think I think more of a wrong certain I just I really think I mean you know this you've lived in And it could be anything. Now, when I look at this, I mean, and I've actually talked to, I remember talking with Justin and Rory about this sitting at lunch one day. We were, I think it was Boston. We were sitting having lunch and watching the telecast just as we're sitting there and they're shown Bryson. I'm like, this guy, if he has to lose the Masters to not win the Masters.

Interesting. He, his fairway. on at how far he's flying the golf ball if it's warm right i mean if it's if it's nice temperatures i mean number two is fairway's 70 yards wide number three flies it in the up slope no advantage four five six um but you get to eight carries a bunker it's 80 yards wide nine his fairway on nine goes from the scoreboard off number one 90 yards left of the fairway to the bunkers off number seven that's his fairway i mean it's it's it's it's a thousand yards wide. So saying that, does that make you like kind of rethink at all what you're

doing? Or is it just like, what am I going to do between now and the cold? I mean, game 40, dude. Drink a bunch of proteins. You know, it's, um, it's one of those things is it's, uh, if you're hitting it straight and you're hitting it far, it's obviously should be a massive advantage. They've done a lot to that golf course after Tiger had won a number of times because of that. He hit it that much further than other guys. And they lengthen so many holes. I wouldn't be surprised if they start to either put in more trees or they have a whole nursery of giant trees right next door they can just take and put in it's wild how quickly they can do that and make it look like it's been there for 50 years i just it's um it's going to be really interesting to see that tactic

and how that changes how other people do it does it bother you how he's going about the game or yeah let's get into just a little no i mean i've we practiced at the same place here in town i i just i've enjoyed talking to him it's it's it's really interesting to hear his philosophy and, you know, there are things I agree with and things that I've done differently my whole career. And I don't necessarily, I mean, if you're going to hit it that far with the way they normally have the rough on the PGA tour, it's a massive advantage. If you can learn to do that, but he puts the living crap out of a golf ball. That's what no one realizes.

That gets ignored. He puts the living crap out of the golf ball. And the only disadvantage he has is that his lob wedge is so long that some chip shots become more difficult. That's it. And the only problem is he, I mean, even if those ship shots are more difficult when most people have him to get up and down for par, he's already driven up next to that. You see him in the one they had in Detroit. I said that going in.

Before I go, he could make an absolute mockery of this golf course. Yeah, and he did. Yeah. I was like, it's going to be an absolute pitching for this guy. It was not been a close. His strokes gained approach might not be good, but his approach shots were his around the green shots. He was last in strokes gained approach because he was too close to the green. It was all, it was all.

It was all. trying to get up and down for part. I didn't know that was his drive. Had no idea that was the actual stat. Go ahead, dude. I got to ask you about that because obviously he just won the U.S. Open at Wingfoot. And I heard an interesting story with the U.S. Open trophy in you. When Gary Woodland won, he brought it to the tap room.

And you, being a past U.S. Open champion, he could not figure out how to get the lid off. So you could fill the lid. So you flipped it upside down. But I asked Gary this other day, I was like, does that mean Jordan never opened the lid and filled it up? No, I broke the deal. day I want it, I was taking pictures on the 18th green at Chambers Bay. I didn't know that the lid was like pretty easy for it to come off. I say that. I think it had been loosened or somebody else. I'd like to say something happened to where it wasn't the way it was supposed to be because I was

just like holding it up and then the whole top just came right off and fell on the ground. I'm like, well, that's kind of embarrassing. There's like so many people in the stands here or whatever. Honestly, this is how much I thought about how much I cared about that, like that much. I was like, well, that kind of sucks. I don't really care. I want to pick this up, put it back on. I very, I, yes, I had the trophy opened. Okay, good.

Okay, so you were able to drink out of it at some point. Yes, and I think what they did was they probably fixed the latch to make it more difficult, and then I didn't know what to do when Gary had it. Well, and neither did Gary. He's not. Also, myself and Justin, we had been in the tap room for, a number of hours after we had finished our round. Good point.

And so it was going to be more difficult to accomplish anything at that point. Right. Because all I had to do was walk back to my room. So I figured I was already at the tap room. I'm going to celebrate with my friend Gary. And I'm going to get ahead of him. Colt celebrated with his friend Gary, but he took the trophy and duct taped his own name, I think, on the winners.

Did you right? Is that right in Vegas? Yeah, we were in Vegas. And I kept I was like, dude, let me have the trophy for the day. He's like, finally he agreed. He's like, all right. I'll tell you what. You take, I'm going to go to dinner.

you take it. So we were in ARIA at Alibi. And I took a piece of white tape. And I put it over his name and wrote mine on it. And we just filled it up all day. It was fantastic. And I never let it out of my sight. And 95% of the people there had no idea.

You just do that Ari in there. He's always got to get his freaking plug in there. Oh, he always got to plug ARIA, dude. You know what to take care of you? You want to plug anybody right now, AT&T or Texan drive anybody? No, yeah. Hashtag X, man. Exactly.

I love it. Let's talk a little bit about, I mean, what obviously is mine and Lee's favorite event is the Rider Cup. Okay. More than anything, bro. Played multiple ass. But we got to talk about a little bit about the last Rider Cup in Paris. Okay.

Because that was kind of a little bit, I don't know if it was awkward for you at all. You're always paired with Patrick Reed. You were kind of attached to the hip. Yeah. And then Justin Thomas makes- The hip is aggressive. Well, go on. I thought you were like Siamese twin.

Like the little girl like this. Sure. Okay. When y'all were hugging, I didn't know who was who. But I'm kidding. It was hard to tell. How was it like in the team room in 18 in Paris when you're going out with Justin Thomas and here's Patrick Reed who you've actually just dominated every time I seem to pair up together?

It was 2015 in the President's Cup in Korea and Jay Hoss was their captain. And he came to at that point like he came to me. It was like, hey, who do you want to play with this week? which is kind of a cool position to be in. He was like, you're leading our team. Who are you want to play with? I was like, well, you know, I want to play with Patrick. We've had success last year at the Rider Cup.

I'd love to play around with DJ. I think that would be so much fun. I battle with DJ. I've actually battled with DJ more than I have anybody else on the PJ tour, whether it's majors or PJ tour events. And I've loved it. And I've played more rounds probably in his group than I have anyone else. So I was like, I come on play with DJ.

This would be awesome. I'd love playing from his drives. This would be great. And then he's going to have to play for mine. He's going to be like, I don't really want to hit seven. Anyway, point being, I had already played with DJ some. Then I played with Patrick later in the week. He had told me, like, he made a birdie.

He came over. He was like, yeah, that's what you get for playing with DJ. And we literally were like, I was like, we had both made eight birdies through 15 holes or 14 holes and destroyed whoever were playing. But it was like this, it was almost like I'd fired him up more, not playing with somebody else. but I mean I grew up with Justin I mean he's my best friend in the I mean he's one of my best friends in the entire world like I grew up since we were 13 together we've been the biggest fans of each other through our entire process of junior golf college golf professional golf into winning major championships and it's like into being number one in the world like we've accomplished these massive goals we set out and we're 13 at mansfield here and it can't even remember the golf course where I played with played with,

played with JT in the final round, Walnut Creek. Wow, how about that? Cole. Good scoop. Good scoop. What a point. Shout out Walnut Creek.

He has done. This thing goes deep. And we repaired there in a final route and that's when we met. And so I was like, I mean, obviously I want to play with him. Like this would be so awesome. And the team room, I mean, it was fine. I mean, we all had people we were going to play with.

I think when we were getting ready for the tournament, I think it was myself, Tiger, Justin, and Patrick, which was freaking badass to play in a pod with Tiger at a Ryder Cup. Like, you might be paired with him, even though we knew that it was going to be Justin's partner if I played with Patrick. And then Patrick and Tiger might play together when I was in, I'm like, and second of all, I also didn't think it would be a big deal if I played with Justin and Patrick got Tiger. like it doesn't seem like that would be something that would upset people that you get tiger um so it was just you know it was part of the pot it was just or fire team or whatever it was called and uh i i just for me it was mainly like we'd grown up together we'd accomplish these goals

together we're finally at like the coolest stage in golf the rider cup let's go out and kick some ass together i mean that's what we wanted to do and uh you know i mean everything was fine nothing was a big deal and there was a you know things were raised afterwards and then Patrick and I have been awesome since and it's really been it really was like blown out for six months and then other than that it's been nothing it's amazing how it all happens if you had a won there wouldn't have been a word said about it yeah sure I don't know I mean I had an awesome time I and those events it's like yes I want to win them as bad as I want to win any event that I play in it's shown by raw emotion that I show in those events.

At the same time, when I get done with them, I want to be like, man, it was awesome to play with all these different phenomenal Hall of Fame players in Rider Cups. Like that's what I want to do. I mean, the next one I might be like, man, it'd be so cool to play with Colin Morricow or Matt Wolfe or whoever it may be. You know, I mean, that's just how I look at those events. That's perfect. Do you pick, if they come to you and like, hey, Jordan, who do you want to play with?

Are you picking, like, the guys are your best friends with and you know that you get along with, like socially or are you picking like here's the guy i think that my game meshes well with well first off i'm trying to beg for a pick in general to get on the team at this point no relax but uh but no i mean it's obviously how are you going to pick somebody that like if if someone were like hey bryson wants to play with you i'd be like okay i'll play from those drives absolutely like everybody there you're going to have just as good of a chance at winning with. Like, these are the best players in the world. So you can't say that I want to play with this guy because I think, like, especially

in like a best ball format, it's like you're like alternate shot. There's some stuff that goes into it. Like I want it to mesh. I want to be able to kind of be on the right page reading putts with this guy. But best ball, it's like, dude, you're one of the best in the world? I'm one of the best in the world. Why am I going to go read your putts? Why are you going to go read my putts?

Let's just go out and shoot a good score. we'll beat these guys, you know. Yeah, it's not like you're playing with a scrub. I mean, it's not like you've got to go caddy for somebody. Like, this is what it is. And alternate shot, there's a little bit more into it. Yeah, I would think alternate shot's a little different. Let's just get this on the record right now, okay?

I think this is a very important. Oh, here we go. For all of us, okay? Nervous. For all of us. It's probably a safe bet you're going to be a Rider Cup captain one day. Okay? Me and Sleeves get to be a part of this team no matter what happens.

That's fair. We don't have to be assistant captains. What do you call it? Captain. of morale. Team liaison? Chancellor. What's McConaughey at UT?

What's he do? Minister of Culture? Is that what his official title? You guys could do what he does at UT? Are you kidding me? Give us a chance. You think we can do what McConaug does? He doesn't do anything but put on a jacket and walk around and say, all right,

right, right, we can do that. I guarantee you in the locker room, bro. I have no idea what he just said. That's exactly what he does. He just sits, all right, all right, all right. He claps and rallies everybody and they go out and play their ass off. All right, when George Space Captain, Colton Sleez are on the team. Yeah, can we book that?

Not to play. We're just going to be there. This is a verbal contract. It really, I think it depends on how successfully you guys get at what you're doing. Because you have to be one of the best in the world to be a part of the team. So you've got to be one of the best in the world. I don't like how you're making all these stipulations. I'm just saying.

I'm just saying. The guys that have been in this room are like Michael Jordan, Michael Phelps. Like you guys have got to be one of the best of the world. It just flows. It all flows. It's all the same. M. M.

I wouldn't bet against you guys. But you're not there yet. I don't understand. All right, so we got a little ways to go. First off, you know what you do is you send us over to the other teams and we sneak in there and we'll infiltrate. Now we're cooking. Double agent type of stuff.

I got you. Double agent, bro. We'll go in there. Who you guys like? And then we'll come back and feed that. Hey, man, you know, when you get it to the top, does your face like there? Do you breathe in or out at impact? Yeah, there you.

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I got a real question about that. All right. I have a real one, too. Your game has not been exactly where you want it to be. Do you listen to any of the outside noise from the media, not us, because we're great? We love you. We love you. Apparently the rest of media doesn't.

Is that what you're assuming? No, the rest of the media sucks. Me and Cold is great. We talk very positive about you. But do you listen to any of the outside noise or like, see, Like, do you look at Twitter at all? I'm totally shut off. I've been shut off for years, though. Are you social media guy?

I've been shut. I don't have. Are you Twitter, Instagram guy? I don't know my login and I don't have access to any of my social. And I haven't, and I haven't. And I haven't. And I haven't. And I haven't had it for, for quite a while.

God bless you. I found myself on it all the time. Really, I was just like, look at my screen time. Yeah, it's a waste. I'm like, man, I mean, it's, and I, you know, at times it's like, man, I actually have to get a lot of time. I just text Justin when something comes up. the golf. I'm like, hey, send me a screenshot of what that was.

Is he on there? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, yeah, yeah. But I just, you know, I like, I just started, like, whether it's good or bad, you know, you just kind of want to stay right in here. And when I, when I started playing really, really well, it was like, when I first came out on tour, even college golf, all that, I mean, that was just starting. And it was never something that was something I focused on or spent a lot of time in during a day and I was just like why am I doing that now I just what I what I do is um I love to

play golf and that's pretty much it and so why would I do anything or listen to anyone I mean just um no to answer your question no it's just it's just simply like I didn't find like when someone's boosting you up when I look back and and I was on social when things were at their highest and I've been on social, you know, when I had my worst year I've had. And it's like when things are at their highest, you're still getting nitpicked. You still, you know. Of course. And when things are at your lowest, you know, you can get brought down.

It's like, why would I let anybody else bring it? No one knows what I'm going through. No one knows what I'm trying to work on, you know, and that kind of stuff. And I've been off of it. It's been great. I haven't regretted it one bit. And it frees me up. I feel like I'm in my own process.

I feel like I'm in my own time. I feel patient. I feel free, and that's all I want to do. You're missing, let me tell you this, you're missing absolutely nothing on Twitter, Instagram, whatever all the bullshit is. Every once in a while, there's got to be some really good ones, because there's some funny stuff.

Other than that. But you're missing nothing. I got a serious question too, though. I want to know, do you think in some ways, like you're a victim of your own success? You come out so young, fresh out of college. You win. You get to world number one.

You get on the President's Cup, Ryder Cup. You accomplish things that people at your age don't accomplish. So at that point, the bar is set. It's right here. There's nowhere to go for you but down at that point. Do you think it's somewhat... And as soon as you don't accomplish those exact same things every year,

people are like, hey, what's wrong with Jordan? Why isn't he doing this? Do you think you're a victim of your own success in some regard? Yeah, I remember... Because I agree this all the time. I remember showing up at Capulua in January of 2016. I remember going in the interview room, and I remember just being asked, you know, what's the encore?

I was like, I remember trying to set everybody back I was like, look, if I were to, I just kind of put it, I was thinking, I mean, I thought, thought about this stuff. I'm like, last year was incredible. Do I think I can do it more often and do it all the time? Yeah, I think I can. But is it realistic to assume that I'll get in Augusta when I won, I remember first or second round on 14.

I hit a little cut under a tree to a left pin. No lie, no shot, takes one bounce hits the pin I make birdie, should have made bogey. You know, do I assume I'm going to get those kind of breaks? No, because you're just not. things go your way, you get on runs, just like anything else. You watch an NBA playoff game. I mean, they go on runs of 15 points, you know, 15 to 2 runs all the time. You get on good runs, but do I think that my talent level and my base and everything that I'm working towards is going to change much?

No, I think I'm still going to be virtually close to as successful as successful as I was. But I remember being in that interview room and saying, guys, like, if I were to do what I did last year every year, and I went, I think, on a 20-year thing. I'd have 40 majors, 100 wins. Impossible. It's like, this is totally unrealistic. And I do not think that that is anything that I'm striving towards. What I'm striving towards is trying to burdie the first hole that I play on Thursday.

And then after that, it's going to be trying to burdy the second hole that I play on Thursday. And what didn't help was I ended up winning that week by eight shots. Way to go, Jordan. No big deal, guys. It's a problem. You got to lose more. So I moved on from that. and I'm like,

this game's easy right now. This is awesome. And knowing that it wouldn't always be that easy. Yeah, of course. I'll wait for that. Sorry. We got a truck. Let it go.

You're all right. Gas cart. But, yeah, I mean, I don't think I'm a victim of my own success. I don't regret anything that. And I'm not saying you were saying that at all. I did say that, though. I'm very, I'm very, I'm very, I'm absolutely. stoked with everything that's happened because I know what that high level is. I know what I'm

capable of doing. Yeah. And I know I can do it again. And that's awesome. And where I'm at right now is somewhere I didn't think that I'd be when I was at that time. But also if you asked me at the end of Q school, you know, even at my worst, so take the last couple years at my worst and say, this is, this is two years that you've had on the PGA tour. I'd be like, man, that's, you know, I'm a young guy. I'm playing the PGA tour. Maybe I'm getting better. You know, whatever. It's just when I let the comparisons happen is when the negativity seeps into like why am I not doing that at the same time I've already been there and so when my swing or mechanics get off now I can look back at the blueprint of what was so successful back then and what's different now and map

that blueprint and when I if if and when I'm able to map that blueprint which is what I'm working towards now it should be pretty much the exact same I'm in a great mental space. Maybe I won't make 30% of putts outside of 25 feet. Clearly, that's not going to be something that happens. Those are the run type things. But if I'm in that same spot where I get to a consistency level, because my mechanics are in the same consistency, I've learned a lot. I've learned how to handle pressure better than I knew how to handle it my first couple years on tour. I've learned a lot of things that actually could be more advantageous going forward. It's just about kind of getting that blueprint back, getting that. Are you looking back at those years?

where you, 2015, for instance, where you were unbelievable. Are you looking back at those years and swings from those years and be like, man, this is when I was at my best. I need to try to get back to that right now. My body changed quite a bit between there and like, say, so 2017, I actually had a lower scoring average. I actually played better in 2017 than 2015. I didn't have as many wins because they just, the great rounds didn't come at the exact

same times, right? So I had a chance to win the Masters that year. I won the British that year. didn't quite go as low at the U.S. Open or the PGA, but I hit the ball. My ball striking was first or second on Tita Green that year. It was the best year I ever hit the ball. And I didn't put as well as 15.

Otherwise, you can't be first in every category. I mean, that's what Tiger did. You're not first in a lot, whatever, yeah, but Ricky Bobby. Fair enough. But my point being, I look at, yes, I have my similarity, I'm trying to kind of find the balance of where things are, but really look at the very, kind of the big muscles. Like what were the main things that I was doing so well

and where are the differences that actually create differences in timing that make it more difficult to be consistent in ball striking. And in putting, I mean, same deal. So I just didn't do a great job of having that blueprint back then and sticking to it. And it's been something in the last year, so that I've been kind of on and really working towards. Well, we can say this.

We all want you to get back to that level. I mean, obviously, golf's much better when you're playing your best golf. It's fun when you're the golden child. We're big fans of yours. We love you, dude. We love you. You're our first guest on gravy in the sleeves. Never forget.

That is actually true. Never forget that, bro. Now we get into the emergency nine. Yeah, a little E9, bro. This is nine fun questions about Jordan's Pete. No, it's nothing bad, dude. It's just fun. No, it's terrible.

better. It's terrible. All right. We're going to start off. Number one, we ask this to everyone. There's a movie made about the life of Jordan Spee. You can pick any actor to play you dead or live. Who plays you? This is a lose-lose. No, it's not. No, pick. You want us to give you some pass-danger? Gary Woodland picked who? Denzel Washington. Yeah, he's an idiot. John Daly picked Matt Damon. Yes. So there's no bar. For me or for them? No, for you. No, for you. Gary picked Denzel to play him. Yeah. Oh, they picked them for themselves. And he's like, I don't understand why this would work. He's just going to mess with the whole time.

He's going to mess with you the whole time. We also make our selection. Matt Damon for John Daly. That's interesting one. Yeah, he's, that was a stretch, possibly. Yeah, I got to think about that one. Yeah.

I want to go with like a Bradley Cooper hangover edition. Okay. I want to go with like Coup. Like, like, like. Pick the hottest guy in Hollywood. Way to go, Jordan. Yeah. No, I mean, like he could be the, it's the first thing

it comes to mind. He could be like, like the he's always like you lost a member of your squad and it was probably his fault of the wolf pack yeah exactly but uh also he's the one that's got to be like the one that's kind of in control of trying to get stuff back together so i did it i pride myself on the storden i take i'll spend a lot of time on you guys are going to have better you're going to be a throwback all right so i'm going to take a guy that's older currently but i'm going to rewind him back to your age I'm going to take Kevin Kossman.

I was, that would, you wanted it, didn't you? I wanted it, but I don't think, touch me. I don't think I'm worthy of any of these.

No, no, no, no, you're Kevin Kossi. I actually had Matt Damon for you. I think Matt Damon's okay. I had, I contemplated that.

We, we can make around the clock or fast forward the clock, but there's been so many shodd answers. You guys just took guys out of golf movies. That's not true. Well, 10 Cup did help,

but I honestly feel like he could, he could do, he could do a good job. Danny knew. There's not many people that can do what you do. All right, number two. All right, serious question. You ready?

Serious. Look at me in the eyes when I talk to you right now. All right. All right. All right. True or false question. You and Justin Thomas are friends and actually grew up playing golf together in junior golf. True.

True. Oh, there we go. I didn't know. I had no idea. Colt next time you're on broadcast, make sure you bring that up. Okay. It's never been brought up. True or false.

True or false Colt followed me and Justin in a round and all we did was mess with. cult the entire round during a major champion and you're probably going to get me a job for that thank you for that yeah and by the way true or false he owns you at mario cart oh yeah i heard that i heard that you guys texted that's a great mind yeah i did beat him the first time then he beat me the second what console are you guys playing on he told me 64 he told me he owned we stayed in a house at the u.s. open and there was a nintendo 64 like obviously we're going to play mario cards so i heard there was some cash that went to him have you ever played with nick taylor Yeah, I think I lost $100.

He says he's the top five in the world Mario Kart player. I've not played Nintendo 64 with Nick Taylor, no. All right, we'll link that. That was a question I did not think I'd get today. Right, that's what we do on the show. That's what we do. Number three, obviously you're the golden child of Dallas. You're a big deal here in the city of Dallas.

When is the last time you paid for a ticket to a Dallas sporting event? Hmm, man. You get it? It doesn't even come to mine because it's been so long. I was 12. My dad took me to see Michael Jordan when I was four. Charles Barkley was on the Wizards, man. But yes, he took me there.

I bought season tickets for the Cowboys 2014. First off, hold on. How old were you in 2014? AT&T Stadium. For the Dallas Cowboys at AT&T Stadium. You got a discount, though. Probably, but you said what I'd pay for. You said I paid.

I may have paid, you know, for half the games. You got the full package. I don't know. We'll accept the answer. I mean, I want to say there's been. You know what? That's not true. I go to, other than this season, I go to a dozen Ranger games, go up in the nosebleeds with my friends and just drink beer. Really?

That's a fantastic. Dollar hot dog and I. You don't get a, you don't get hassled up there? No, no, no. Do we go up to the top? You know, there's nobody up there in the summer nights is hot. You know, there's a new ballpark this year, but the old ballpark, you know, is outdoors. There's nobody up there. We go up in the nosebleeds and we just have a time of it. Just get amongst it. Yeah, we get our kind of high school, college friends together. We go up there and $7 tickets or whatever.

Get those Dallas Jesuit boys. All right, number four. All right, here we go. I ask this because you're the answer. So probably the answer to that question was probably last year. Okay. All right, last year. I feel like you should get all your shit for free in this town.

But whatever. All right, I ask this question because you are the answer for a lot of people. You got a 10 foot put for your life. You can't say Tiger. Yeah, no, I know. Who is it? I have two people. Is it okay if I have two?

Yeah. It depends on. It depends on it. If it's right to left, Jason Dave, it's left to right, Greg Chalmers. No question. Greg Chalmers is the snake. And honestly, I could choose either one on both of those spots,

but I'm just choosing righty lefty there. Well, good. See it? Colt thought you might pick him, and I was going to say Colt drinks a lot. I'm really sorry. You're right behind him, though.

Okay, that's fine. I'll take it. If you say that it's a gambling match, I'd choose you over either one of them, but if you say, but if I'm like... Jordan, Colt drinks like a lot. So you should consider that.

It doesn't hurt his putting on this. It just makes him talk more shit. Yeah, good point. Good point. All right. Greg Chalmers. That's a shout out Greg Chalmers. That guy can roll his rock.

It's ridiculous. I mean, he's a top five just like J-Day every year, strokes and putting. I agree. Day's hard to argue with. All right. Number five. Your life's on the line once again. Oh, dude.

You're in trouble. Yeah. Life or death situation. Your Dallas Cowboys have to win the Super Bowl. Keep you alive. You get to pick the quarterback, Dak Prescott, Tony Romo. Who's keeping you alive? It was going to be way better when Tony was sitting right here.

Yeah, Tony was supposed to be in a chair, but he's an idiot. So Tony is in a cast right now. No, no. This is going back to their prime, but it's his left hand. So you're talking about, you're saying 2016 that season. Sure. We're the best team in football. Prime Tony Romo, Prime back Prescott.

You get to pick one of them to lead your team to Super Bowl to save your life. Who are you picking? I'd pick Tony Oh Doc Jack Grab some bench bro Right now

I mean you know Dack's got a lot of time to prove Okay fair enough That he's that guy The USA today is gonna pick this up The question is way cooler when Tony But then I couldn't have said him if he was sitting here That'll be good for us

The problem is once this show Is the number one show Anywhere in the world Now I'm gonna be in trouble And I won't get my free tickets anymore Because Dax's the damn quarterback The good news is you bought a season tickets No, that was in 2014.

You can still get that upper deck. You can still get that upper deck. Your suite just went to another level, a little higher. Yeah, those suites, man. You got to pay, it's like something like the lowest you can get in at a suite there. You got to pay $150,000 for the rights to buy the suites. For the seat license. That's how they are nowadays.

What? For a guy like you that's the hero of this town, you don't get some sort of deal? Somebody's going to buy it. Why would they give it for free? That's true. Because they can, they can, just. panned you every, every inning or every, every, every ticket. They give him two tickets. I do that anyway. Yeah. Who gives the better commentary?

Tony Romo during an NFL game or you immediately after your ball hits the club face. Tony, obviously. Mine's off. I don't know, dude. You're close. I just like, God, there are so many times where I wish that I didn't have a microphone on me every single shot. And it's not like, I just, I don't even recognize that I'd do it. And like, when I was in college, I didn't have anyone to talk to. Now I just feel like I'd tell Michael about every single shot, even though he doesn't care. He's like, all right, man, just getting the whole faster than the other guys. However you want to do it, I don't really care how it happens. Do you know that right after you hit a shot, you're like immediately like, oh, that's a little bit right.

It's got to sit down. Yeah, I mean, when I strike it, you know, I mean, if I made a mistake or something, like, if it's exactly how I wanted to feel, I normally don't say much. But most of the time, like, right after, I'm like, oh, no, you know. That's fucked. Yeah. Got it. All right. Number seven.

All right. This tattoo has to be visible. So I'm going to say, like, your forearm. Okay. If I told you, you had to get Boomer Sooner tattooed on your forearm so the whole world can see it. Every single golf shot you hit, but you hit every fairway the rest of your career, would you do it? Absolutely. Not even a question.

These Texas Longwood fans are not going to have here. But I would turn it into a sleeve and then I would look like a badass. It would just be one of the tattoos on my arm. You didn't say it. No, I would turn it. This is my game, not yours. I'm not wearing sleeves. I would turn it into a sleeve of tattoos.

I would get a sleeve. My entire arm would be a tattoo. It has to be all Oklahoma sooner. But not my shooting arm. My other arm. Oh, you're shooting arm. It's not my shooting arm. Are you shooting?

Are you trying to get into the league? I'm lefty. Are you trying to, are you thinking about getting a sleeve perhaps? Well, I'm just saying, like, if I got Boomer sooner, I may as well turn in your sleeve. You might as well camouflage a whole thing. And I get to hit every fairway.

With a bunch of smoke and, like, Yeah, this is perfect. I don't like the sleeve. Why? I'm crazy. You didn't say that it was the only tattoo on my, I don't see a problem with this. Right.

All right, sleeve it up. He says take the sleeve and hit every fair way. It's fair enough. All right, next question. Then not only am I hitting every fairway, I'll also look like about it. I mean, it's like Leo Messi, man. The guy's got a sleeve on his leg and one arm, but he doesn't do it on his leg that he kicks with. True.

I think he, Jordan, I think you can pull his sleep off. Thank you. Don't be afraid of doing that. All right, next question. I have to play in the NHL and be a lot cooler than I am right now. As Colt said earlier, you are huge in the Dallas area right now. So you know, more famous Pilot Point High School alumni. Colt Nost or Joe Exotic?

Excuse me? Tell me you know who Joe Exotic is. Of course I knew Joe Exotic is. So who's more famous? You guys went to the same high school? We found that out recently. Yes, dude. Colt is not the same age.

I mean, Joe Exotics obviously way more famous. Thank you. But like, but like. 100%. Who would I rather have a beer with Colt? But like. Whoa. Bears.

Relax on that. You would not rather have Joe Exxonix sitting right here for an hour than Colt. No. No. He probably wouldn't creep you out with his pupils. Dude, Joe Exotic, like, maybe orchestrated a murder and a lot of other things. Like, yeah, dude. Don't look at that.

All right. Joe Exotic. Next question. All right. All right. This is it. Then we're done. You have an incredible memory, obviously, as we've learned during the show.

I want you to think back to a Friday afternoon at Riviera Country Club. You may have opened your phone and turned on a text that said, game over for Spieth. It wasn't even. It wasn't here. Here's the thing. Here's where you made the mistake. I hate you. Here's where you made the mistake.

It was actually Saturday. Oh, it was Saturday. It was Saturday. I was told it was Friday. Don't. And maybe a certain someone. I'm waiting for this to come up. I'm waiting for this to come up.

This is perfect. This is. Turn it off. Quit the whole show. How did you feel when a co-host here at Golf Subpar? This is so bad. Hey, Jordan, look at me in my tiny pupils. I love you.

I love you. Let's talk about it. We've had our ups and downs. Yeah. And we're at a better place now than we were then. I was playing Riviera and I happened to be, I could probably pull it up on my phone. This is a joke. Don't go back to the text.

I might. Don't go back to the text. I got to, but the problem is. Let's explain to everyone what happened. All right. Give some context to the whole shit because I will talk about it in a second. Okay. Well, first off, if you're going to say, I don't know the context.

Anyway, the story is now that we've been waiting. I had actually, I was playing horrible golf, and I had worked my way somehow into the second to last group on Saturday at Riviera. And it was rainy and windy and it was hard. And again, I preface this with, I did not know where the ball was going. And this happened multiple times in 2019. And where I was in the last group on Saturday and I was on the range and I looked at Michael and said, how am I teeing off in the last group on Saturday?

This is incredible right now. Just knowing how I was actually hitting it. It's not like a mental thing. It's like literally I don't know where it's going to go. And I played very poorly that day. Highlighted by, what did I make? Don't. I don't know, dude.

I actually don't know. I remember a lot of things, but I don't remember. I think it was an eight. It was on the 10th hole is where it happened. No, I know where it happened. And I remember every shot. I just don't remember what they added up to. You made like a 7 on 10.

No, it was not a 7. Eight? It was either an 8 or 9. It was a lot. I had driven it in the bunker. Then I had just caught it kind of like that John Deere one, just nipped it perfectly. Yeah. And it flew the green.

And it plugged. So then I tried to play the plug and that plugged. And then I hit it again and again and again and again and again. And so I shot somewhere. I've shot like three rounds in my entire professional golf career in the 80s. And that was one of them. And I got done with the round and very upset. And I received a text.

that's that I saw no it was a random number saved and it had said random I just got to find it it was like down go speed down go game over for speed no I'll tell you what it was Jordan it was game over for speed yeah game over for speed thanks Cole I need to find it this is a great question to ask on the podcast dude I felt like dying I don't have it dying you still don't have your Still haven't saved your number. That feels fair. That feels fair, dude. But explain to us.

So you claim here's the situation. The leaderboard. All right. Can I explain it to you, Jordan? Because I sent you a paragraph text after it happened because I was literally about to dig a hole for myself and bury it. I'm just searching down goes speed in my text. No, it was game over for. Oh, that's what it was.

Google that or whatever you do. All right, here's the deal. I had bet on Jordan against Hedecki. Okay. You were matched up with Heddecki for the week. And I'd bet you. Right? You were even money against the decky.

Do you want me to clarify it? Because you recently text this to a good friend, and I can clarify everything. Oh, thank God. I was looking for it. Because you're lying right now. You're lying. I'm not lying. Let me read what you said.

This is bullshit. You know Colts a liar. Anyway, I got done. I was pissed. I saw that. And I was like, and I actually, by the time the round was, you know, when you're shooting a bad round, or if you're going to miss a cut by three or four, when you get the last three or four holes, it's already been accepted. Like, you're just.

just at that point you're like all right well I can't win this tournament anymore or I'm already gonna shoot somewhere around 80 like this is terrible actually I remember being pissed right after but I remember seeing it and being like this is gonna be more fun to mess with you and I actually wasn't that mad you were I knew my response was like hey thanks dude really said thanks for that thanks for that thanks for that and I was like I want to feel myself and I don't think jordan even knows this play by play I was texting my buddy all day we had bet against speed he had like This quote from you He had like a six-shot

All he said was I was matched up against a deck He didn't say is just straight up betting He didn't clarify Honestly like well-done Like good bet Hey dude you were winning by a million bro So let me continue Good bad

So I kept checking my app to see where he was typing his name in at the top He made an eight or something on number 10 Which basically ended him And when I went to text my buddy I accidentally texted Spith And wrote game over for Spieth And sent that to Jordan by accident

He wrote back right after his round I said thanks for that quote from Slee's I wanted to die I swear to God alright so I'm going to come clean I'm going to come clean right now I bet against you I bet again again say there it is

all right Jordan I love you I thank you to God for coming on this podcast I bet against you against the feelings like look I was Googling like how do you delete a tax is there a way to erase a text you just sent I'll never bet against you against the Ducky I you know there will be times

where it's worth fading I understand you know it's just gamble I root for Patrick Mahomes. He's probably my favorite athlete right now. It doesn't mean I haven't bet against the guy. Right. Hey, you know, wouldn't mind if, you know, you guys didn't score right here. You know, that kind of thing.

Maybe get the under one time. Well, Jordan, thank you so much for joining us, man. It's been an absolute last. Is that nine? That's nine. You saved that for number one? That was my last. That was the last.

What a son of a bitch. Love you. Hey, thanks for everything. Thanks for doing it. All right, bye. Well, that was the Golden Childs, Lease. I'm not going to lie. It seemed like you're getting a little nervous at the end with that last question I asked him.

I did not know that was coming. So props to you for bringing that up. It had been a long time. I was hoping he'd forgot about it. Apparently he hadn't. And also at that exact moment during the interview, I may have overindulged in a little bit of the boo. So it was good that that thing was coming to a rap. So I was getting a little bit loose out there.

But dude, what a time with Jordan, man, for him to come and do that and give us, you know, whatever it was, 80 minutes, something like that. The guy just, he gets so many media requests. He's getting asked the same questions over and over. It was cool to just sit with him, open up, had a beer or two. and just, you know, shot the shit with us like a normal dude. Unbelievable that guy is. I tell everybody, I mean, he's arguably one of the nicest humans I've ever met. Like you said, for him to take the time to come to Roylox Country Club

where they pour the drinks a little strong. They don't play around over there, just for the record. But for him to take time at his day to come out of the way and do that was awesome. I love the kid. I mean, we've said it a million times. Golf is better when Jordan Speeth is up at the top, competing weekend and wing out. You know, I'm obviously a fan of him, and I just really hope he turns this thing around, I got no doubt that he will, man.

Just talking to him this past week and just watching what he does. Nobody works harder. Nobody wants to get the ship righted more than him. And just with his work ethic and everything, you know, he's going through a little dip right now. But I got no doubt in my mind that he'll be back and doing things that we're used to seeing Jordan Speed do in the near future. And by the way, he did find the text message. He sent it to you? How did it look?

So I have it. It's you just trying to backtrack and save your ass a little bit. He sent thanks for that right after. And I immediately was like, holy shit. And I launched into like a pair of this long of a text message. Dude, I'm so sorry. what you don't understand is I did this and this is just the whole thing. I was just digging myself deeper and eventually I was like,

just shut up, he'll forget about it. And apparently he didn't, but water under the bridge. It was awesome. But now on to our next guest who is on our Dallas trip, the man behind the Bryson DeShambo madness, Chris Como, his swing instructor, and man, was this fascinating. Dude, the architect. And we were live from the lab, all the videos you've seen on Instagram, Twitter,

all that stuff. We were sitting right there. We got to see everything that's going down and there. And the man is just an absolute encyclopedia of golf knowledge. He knows so much and he was willing to open up and share with us. Here's another guy that's been doing a million interviews lately, and he was able to sit down with us for a long time, too. So hats off to all those guys in Dallas that opened up to us and let us come in there

and get in their business for a little bit because they don't have to do it. Nope. You're not going to want to miss it. But that's going to do it for us. We'll talk to you on next week's golf subpar.