Subpar - Josh Gregory Interview: Coaching Patrick Reed at Augusta University, working with a young Bryson DeChambeau

Episode Date: December 7, 2021

On this week's episode of GOLF's Subpar, 2-time NCAA Coach of the Year Josh Gregory joins former PGA Tour pro Colt Knost and jicky jack legend Drew Stoltz for an exclusive interview. He breaks down coaching Patrick Reed at Augusta University, what it was like working with a young Bryson DeChambeau, and how he transitioned into a performance coach for some of the top players on the PGA Tour.

Well, hello again, world. Welcome back to Golf Subpar with Colt Nost, Ed Drew Stoltz. And Sleazy, I was out last week, but you held it down for the team. You picked Victor Hovlin to win in the Hero World Challenge, and the man got the job done. That's two wins in a row for Victor Hovlin and two wins in a row for Gulf Subpar. How about it? Sleazy Claus in the house coming in a little bit early with some holiday chicken. Hovlin getting the job done.

Love him down in these grainy Bermuda places for whatever reason. He looked at his wins. Puerto Rico, two in Myakoba. Now in the Bahamas. They need to move the Masters to a Sandals resort somewhere. guy might win nine green jackets but uh you know i had burger as well in the mix he was looking good starting off and then god though by sunday i figured well morcawa's pretty much got this thing locked up not too often you see a guy five shot excuse me yeah five shot lead going in the final round

six shots on hovland and then hovlin finishing bogey and then that guy still winning the golf tournament pretty wild yeah Colin morcow i just had a disastrous front nine shooting 41 uh very uncalling morcowal like but man this thing was like wide open all of a sudden there was like five six guys with a chance to win and then Victor Holland just goes eagle eagle, no big deal, holds a bunker shot and then eagle's the par five and had enough cushion to get the job done at the end. He's up to number eight in the world. I don't see it slowing down a whole lot. That kid is looking really, really good. The chipping getting better. It's good enough when you hit it the way he does when you drive the ball the way he does. It's just hard to mess up too bad out there. And I mean, we saw a lot of weird

stuff out there. Like we said, Morcao looked like it had it pretty much locked up, in my opinion. Get out there. It doesn't turn out to be the case. And then opening group, Jordan Speed, Enric Stinson, a jickey Jack broke out there at the Hero World Challenge. Playing from the wrong T-box, a little two-shot penalty. Have not seen that. Saw that one time happened in the career of my Jicks. But that's when they got like T's out for all the regulars that are going to be playing afterwards. A little bit understandable.

This one, hard to believe. They handled it well, and also a good tournament, by the way, if you're ever going to mess up and play the wrong T. Money, not a whole lot different after you get out of the top few. No, not at all. It was amazing to me. I was just shocked by it between the four of them. they didn't see the massive sign that said 17 on the T-box that were on. I get it.

Jordan, I love you, bro, but come on, man. Opening group, probably trying to cruise, you know, get done, get out of there, get to the beach, whatever you're going to do. There was an enormous 17 there, but, like, Stinson, they had a great press conference at the end, by the way. Stinson just kind of took Oprah's making fun of them. But a little note on the T, like, hey, I know this is typically not been the T, or, you know, been the other T, but it's for the ninth today or today.

Just something like that would have helped out a little bit for the fellas. But like I said, I don't think they're just. too stressed about it finishing. There was a difference. 20th and 19. Yeah, exactly. Doesn't even get the plane fired up. But it was still fun to watch. I like seeing that out there. They're humans.

They are. But congratulations, Victor Hovlin. Not an official win, but we're going to give it to him. That's more wins. Yeah. It's a win for us. You beat everybody. It's a win. And how about the other big news of the week?

T-dub, you know, the world freaked out when we saw him flipping 105-yard sandwiches the other week. Now he's in full dogs from the back of the range. Speed maybe not way. Maybe not what you would expect, clearly, but I don't give it. He's way further ahead than what I think you and I both would have expected a couple weeks ago when we saw the sandwich. And he's got another week to prepare if he wants to play in the PNC parent child with his son Charlie. You know, he can ride in a cart there.

Noda Begay came out and said Charlie gets to play from so far up. They can play his T-Shod. So Tiger doesn't even have to hit driver and put stress on that leg. He can just go out there and hit irons. And I know obviously Charlie's probably begging him to play. But, man, I really feel like he's definitely going to tee it up. here in a couple weeks. I was just about to ask you. I think we see I think we do now. Prior to the week I would have said like maybe or maybe it's some modified deal where he just rides around

with Charlie and you know, hey, you handle the T shots and I'll hit wedges or play me from some random spot. Play me from wherever far out night our score doesn't count or something. Now I think he's going to actually do it. If he doesn't play, this is a bigger tease than the girl down at Bevy the other night. I mean, large. I mean, it's just he's got to. He's out there practicing every single day. You can't give us this video of you hitting drivers and then be like, no, I can't play the father son like it's got to be you got to be out there i think he's going to be and if you don't play the father son then you need to tell us right now if you plan on playing in april oh i think april is i mean we've been speculating on like everyone kind of thinks augusta's the place that makes

sense i got to think if he's there right now i mean it was only nine months ago that this happened and he's already hitting drivers on the range he's got another four now of actually playing and practicing to get ready i know he probably can do it as much as he would like but um yeah if he can put the dumbbells down for a few minutes and get out there how about the kid Just showing up looking diesel, diesel in the Bahamas. Man, I can't wait. This is going to be so exciting. The lead up to the Masters is just going to be incredible in 2022.

And I just have a feeling he's going to be there. And it's going to be absolutely incredible. I really think I would put money out right now. Yeah, a week or so ago, whenever the Sandwich video came out, like, oh, he's trending. And, you know, we'll see, I guess. It depends how quickly he can ramp up from there. Now, you know, week or so later, bam, he's sitting drivers. I think he's going to be, I would bet that he'd be at Augusta.

Well, our guest this week, knows a little bit about Augusta, Josh Gregory, performance coach on the PJA Tour, former coach at Augusta State and SMU, was privileged enough to coach the likes of Patrick Reed and Bryson DeShambeau, and we dive into it.

He doesn't hold anything back. Yeah, that's like getting your PhD in coaching. If you can handle those two and you can navigate your way around and make them both be good players, which they're clearly great players, but get through that unscathed, more or less. That's pretty much all you can see, I think.

From there, everything should be easy. I love having these guys that, I mean, knew them, back when. I mean, Patrick Reed, you know, went through all the stuff at Georgia, ended up transferring to Augusta State. And Josh is very honest. He's like, look, I wanted to win. The guy's great. He's a great player. I wanted him. And then Bryson de Shambo. He's like, had the worst attitude I've ever seen. I mean, it's just different rules for different dudes depending on your talent level. Some guys get the free pass. Some guys don't. Your world-class talent like the two of those clearly were. You get a little breathing room.

I love having these guys on that can give us some behind-the-scenes looks at their players. And I mean, he raves about both these guys. I mean, they're both so talented. It's a joke. This is one of my favorite episodes we've done, even though Josh did it from his car. Yeah, he looked like he was about to get somebody's going to come up and ask for his wallet at any moment right there. But, yeah, this was fun. A lot of good golf scoop, too.

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Doing great, guys. Thank you all for having me, and hopefully y'all can see me sitting in my car here at Coltartie giving me a hard time for not following his orders and being on a computer, but I'll do my best. Joining us from the back of an Oldsmobile here tonight. Yeah, we'll let it slide this time. It's really nice.

Yeah, but first off, your lucky Sleys brought you in because I definitely want to say astute. I like to fluff everybody on the, the way in, Josh. You know what I mean? Well, Colt can't spell us to. But although he's a Hall of Famer, though, now, he probably had to learn some words like that for his speech. Listen here, sir. I went to the same school you did.

You're making fun of me, you're making for yourself. He's got a real good brain. It was funny. I asked him at that Hall of Fame event, how many golfers are in it? And your name wasn't on there. I was shocked. I can't imagine why I wouldn't me to ask you the Hall of Fame.

They don't allow me too close to campus anymore, I don't think. No, I didn't quite have to play in career there you had as well. I was okay, but I was average at best. Well, we'll get into this stuff later. I'll sell yourself short. But let's talk about it because, I mean, you've done, you've had an unbelievable ride. Obviously, you know, being a coach at Augusta State, winning back-to-back national

titles at a school that, you know, I think probably a lot of people didn't really know what was, even the division two in every other sport other than golf. Then you go out and went back-to-back national titles. I want to know, though, like, growing up, obviously you played college golf, was the dream to play professional, or were you always someone that was like, hey, I want to be a coach when I grow up? No, 100 percent, I wanted to play. I mean, I played junior golf in Memphis, and then I went on to SMU and played under Hank Haney there for four years, and we played in three NCAAs. And I had a very average, to slightly above average career, and was never as good as I should have been. I physically was pretty good. I just never believed in myself and always played some. scared. As I try to get my guys to do now, you know, believe they're twice as good as they really

are. I believe that was half as good as I really was. So, constantly played in fear, played scared, played not to screw up. I was great at missing the cut by one or two when I played professionally for a couple of years and I either made the cut by one or two or missed it by one or two. I was just good enough to donate money. So I played under Hank and I learned a ton under Hank, but I always thought that if I couldn't make it plain, which I learned real fast, that I wasn't good enough, that I thought I could coach. I thought I learned enough from him, but I could do some things that his work ethic, his discipline, and what he instilled in us was remarkable. But I thought I could relate to my players. I thought I could coach. I thought I could just do some things

a little bit different than he did. And I'm thinking, what a better way than to try to, you know, it's the next next thing. I live through my players. I compete through my players. If I didn't have a scoreboard, I don't know what I would do. I mean, I see all these guys and, you know, that, you know, in this, you know, golf digest released all these rankings of top teachers and all that, all that crap that, you know, they sit on the lesson T all day and teach players and God bless them. I don't have, I wouldn't have the patience to sit there and teach lessons for 10 hours a day on the range. I'm very lucky to get to work with some of the best players in the world, best juniors, best college players, but I get to have a scoreboard at the end of the day. Does that

make sense. I get to have a result. I wouldn't be very good at teaching guys to be from a 20 handicap to a 15 handicap. And that's selfish of me, but that's just the truth. And so my, my passion started as a college golf coach, you know, we always had a scoreboard. Whether we finished first or whether we finished 12, it was always one spot better than it could have been. And so that's where, you know, I'm thankful I get to do this now and get to see guys compete and now I just get paid for it. That's a good thing. Yeah, you get paid for them. Yeah, that's a good deal. I feel like, you know, it's very interesting that you have coached

probably two of the most talked about people in the game of golf right now with Patrick Reed at Augusta State and Bryson DeShambo at SMU. I want to start with Patrick Reed. Like he obviously, it's well known. Here we go, yeah, here we go. Tell us everything. But obviously, she transferred to Augusta from Georgia. You know, there are some issues.

I mean, that's up to you if you want to get into that or not. But give us a little bit of background. Like, what was Patrick Reed like as a call? college golfer. It was tough. I mean, you know, I learned way more from my players, probably than they learned for me. I mean, I, that's the, if you're your, your player's shape, your coaching style. And I was fortunate enough to have some really tough ones in Hendon, Orlando, Patrick Reed, obviously Bryce and Deschambeau's in a class by himself. But as far as learning from those guys and learning to be patient, learning to have to adapt some to their style, you know, I'm not a

dictator as a coach. You know, there's a big difference to an instruction and coaching, and there's a lot of what I do is instruction, but most of what I do is coaching. And so I had to coach Patrick Reed a hell of a lot differently than I had to coach Henry Norlander and I had to coach Price and Deschambo a heck of a lot differently than I did the other eight or nine guys in the team.

So what Patrick brought to the table, yeah, I knew what I was getting into. I talked to Chris when he came and I said, tell me everything. I want to know the truth. And yeah, I'd be lying to you if I didn't say I didn't want to win. I knew the baggage. I knew there were some issues coming in, but I knew he needed me and I needed him. Does that make sense? I knew there would probably be some issues, but at the same time, I thought I was the type of coach that could handle it. I knew he needed somebody to hold his hand. I needed somebody to be a father figure, a big brother figure, a little bit of everything.

I know he needed a kick in the ass sometimes, but also need, you know he needed a hug sometimes as well. But let's face it, I wanted to win. If Patrick Reed was shooting 75 every day, I probably wouldn't take it. I'm not stupid, but I want to win. So at the same time, you know, it was a pretty, it was hard, but obviously it was worth it. Not only from the, yeah, it's easy to say it was worth it because he helped you win two national championship. But from a relationship standpoint, I learned so much how to coach through him, dealing with his personality, dealing with a lot of struggles, but most importantly, how to coach individuals. college golf, too many coaches make the mistake of thinking it's a team sport.

It has nothing to do with a team environment. There is about two things and two things only you do with the team. You go to dinner together and maybe you work out and maybe you go to a study hall together. Other than that, everything is individual. There's no team practice. Qualifying is overrated. Even workouts are overrated. Workouts should all be done individually because, Colt, you have a temple of a body and drew your body's a little different.

But if you all were working out, I would imagine y'all's workouts would be totally different. So why the hell is everybody doing the same thing? So that's about, you kind of help formulate my beliefs as a coach, which is therefore transferred over to the, you know, the tour level now of coaching everybody a little bit differently. There's no methods other than some of my practice stuff. There's no methods to anything I do. You know, you know Patrick Reed better than, I mean, you spent more time around him and things like that. You said you took him on the team because you needed to win. You both needed each other.

But getting to know him as well as you have, do you think he thrives on being the villain? Like the villain, do you think that brings the best out of him? Like, I go back to Torrey Pines this year and that whole deal, and then all of a sudden he goes out there and puts on a clinic the rest of the week. I feel like he almost embraces that role and needs it to bring out the best in him. Well, I think Colton and I actually texted on that. I believe it happened on Saturday or it was Friday. Anyway, it was Saturday.

I believe Colton I texted during that moment, and we both were on the same page that he really didn't do anything wrong here. Unfortunately, he's Patrick Reed, so he doesn't get the benefit of the doubt. and he should have gone above and beyond. But having said that, more importantly, as soon as it happened, I texted a Colts said he's going to win my 10th. Because I said, this is exactly what he wants. Because he wants to be the bad guy.

Look, he gets a bad route for a lot of things. The guy's not a bad guy. He works hard. He's a true pro when it comes to his work ethic, his discipline, his passion for the game. He's very respectful and great to play with. He doesn't talk much, but he's polite. He plays fast.

anybody that I coach, he's always been one of the first to ask him how they're doing, offered to ask to help, play practice rounds with, whatever. Unfortunately, he's made some mistakes, probably said some things that he regrets, that he would love to take back, but he can't. And so he's not all bad. He's not all bad. He's been awesome to my family, all those things. He just, he loves, he's like Michael Jordan.

He wants the ball at the end of the game. He's not afraid. He's not out there to make friends. Doesn't have many out there. Would he say one day I wouldn't piss on him if or wouldn't piss on him for burning? Well, that's, you know what? A lot of people may think that, but I don't, I think it's very misconstrued. I don't think that many people really care.

I mean, I agree with you on that. I don't think they really care. Do they have issue with maybe some things that have happened? Of course they do. But it really doesn't affect their lives. And more importantly, they respect and they would love to chip and put it like he does. Yeah, everybody would say, if you look at that, if you look at what's going on in the world of golf right now,

like you had the whole Bryson and Brooks feud. He doesn't, Patrick Reed doesn't have a feud with anyone. Like you said, I don't think anybody really cares. We're not going to see Patrick Reed teened up in a made-for-TV match anytime soon. It's Reed in the media.

That's the only feud. Yeah, yeah. He's not going to move the needle in that way. But at the same time, if you watch his golf game and learn, I mean, the guy's been as bad as consistent as anybody for the past, for the past 7 or 8 years

that he's been on tour. And he, you know, he's going to continue. continue to be on, he will be on Ryder Cup teams, he will win more majors. He will do those things because he loves to compete. And, you know, obviously not the talent level of Michael Jordan, but a similar mentality

in that the fact, I want the ball, I don't really care what others think about me. I don't care if you think I'm the bad guy. I'm going to step on your throat and I'm going to beat you. Yeah, I think he wants it. So do you think that his, the public perception of Patrick Reed, fair or unfair? Unfair?

Unfair. Unfair? Yeah. Misunderstood? Better word, excuse me. Unfair is not the right word because there's been some things that I know he would love to change. You would love to have handled probably a little better.

But at the same, misunderstood is a better way. He is the best I've ever been around in pro amps by far. Of anybody I've ever worked with current or past. He reads puts. He can promise you he knows every one of their names. He does some trick shots for him. He helps them with their golf swing. He asks them about their life.

those are the things that go unnoticed. Some things he did for Grayson Murray, when Grayson Murray came out with his issues that I'm not going to but he did some things for him that nobody were. He does things behind the scenes that are pretty dark. His foundation raises a ton of money. His AJG event raises more money than any event on tour. But unfortunately, people see the incident,

the Bahamas, they hear the instance in college, to hear things like that and those are hard to overcome. But it doesn't make him a bad person. Let's talk about one thing I know he is respected for, and that's the short game, which I know you pride yourself on helping him a lot. You've been with him since college.

Have you, where would you rate him of the people you've come across, or even on the PJ Tour now as far as short game and around the greens? I mean, the guy just, he has so much fight like we talked about, but nobody, I feel like gets it up and down. Maybe Jordan Speeth would be the only one I could say, but where would you rank him? I'd say Jordan's Feast, the only one in his class, especially at the medium to hard shots, the stuff that you're just not supposed to get up and down.

They are by far the best. I still would take Jason Day when he's on and maybe Luke Donald, when we're just talking about basic pitching. Brian Gay is pretty phenomenal as well. Just basic, medium, spinning pitches, low run, just the basic stuff. That kind of bores Patrick, to be honest. Does that make sense? You've played enough golf with Jordan, and Jordan is great with the little,

with the basic stuff, but he's way better off the down slope, off hard pan over a bunker than he is five yards off the green chipping it to a basic flat because it engages his mind and his hands and his artistry and all that stuff. But day in and day out, I wouldn't choose anybody to hold over him. I mean, I'm lucky. Yes, I've helped him with him, but it's found in a lot of my beliefs through him and it's found a lot of my stuff that I work on with other guys as far as the drills, the games, the competition, he's the one I compare them to. So when we do our drills and games,

he's the number one. He's the guy that say, this is what he scores in this drill. What are you doing? Because the stuff I've seen him do in practice is what would be truly frightening to you. Because when we do kick-in drills, or we do games around the greens,

and he's hitting shot after shot that is either going in, lipping out, or going to a foot. And he generally is trying to make every chip. And what is cool about him is regardless of whether he's winning the Masters or whether he's finishing 55th, he's grinding over that chip on the 70 second hole just as hard. He reads it from all four different angles. He pulls the Greens book out.

I guess you can't do that anymore. But I can promise you'll have more note, he'll have as many notes as anybody's ever had. I mean, the guy's attention to detail and his perfectionism is off the chart. And he reads a 30-yard chip shot like you and I would read a six-foot right edge pot. I mean, it's a joke. how much it's impressive. But his form, his technique is second to done.

I mean, he's a drawer of his pitches. I mean, you know, there's two ways to chip a golf ball. There's Patrick Reed, Hinge, John Hitch, draw it a little bit. And there's Jason Day's T-tricker, wide-to-wide, a little more cutty-looking. But he's the best in the world at throwing the face and drawing pitches. So being that, like, the short game, that's kind of your calling card. You're really well-known, really well-respected for all your short game stuff. When you're teaching guys, is that something, your methods?

Did you take that from other teachers? and things you'd learned and, you know, on the way up? Or is that something that you teach based on what you see with players who you've worked with or observed and things like that? I think it's a combination of both. I mean, I was lucky at Augustus State to coach a lot of European players that had spent some time around Pete Callum. So I learned, you know, Oliver Wilson, Hendrick Norlander,

guys like that were the first I'd ever even heard about drawing chips and feeling like you're drawing bunker shots and aiming right and shallow it out. and not in all that. So I learned a lot from them. I could always chip and pod and still can. Can't hit it. Colt will attest to that or definitely can't drive it.

That ball's still going down I-75, I think. But that's another story. Just be patient here. We might get to us. Stay tuned. It's coming. So a lot of it, you know, I can do on my own. So a lot of it's trial and error of me trying to figure out, you know, people say, well, what do you teach?

Well, I teach lie-based chipping. Judge a lie. And then every technique, every setup. up is based on the shot you have and the lie you have. Yes, there are certain foundations I believe in, whether you're more of a drawer of pitching, which would be Patrick Reed, or where you're more of a wide to wide cutter of chipping like a day or stricter. And both of those have certain commonalities that I teach. But everything is lie dependent. Everything, whether the types of grass, downhill, uphill, side hill, ball below your feet,

into the grain. So that's where I've kind of found a niche that, let's face it, the short game, not a lot of guys love to teach the short game. But I think unlike full swing, I think you can teach the full swing and not necessarily do it yourself. But I think chipping, you kind of have to be able to do it yourself. Does that make sense? You kind of have to be able to dig it out of the dirt, play around with some lies, angles, figure it out on your own to be able to kind of talk to others about it.

I think it's kind of like putting in a sense that like Colton and I have talked about this. Are great putters born or great putters made? you can make a bad chipper, a better chipper, but I think there's just something in DNA or innate that certain guys have that others don't, no matter what technique, how long they practice, whatever. Some guys just have it and some guys don't.

Well, to your point, I mean, I've learned from players, I've learned from other teachers and structures. I've done trial and error on my own and just understanding things, but it's like Hendrick Norlander tells me all the time. Colts loves Hendricks and Hendricks's a beauty, and I don't think he's been on your show yet, but it's a shame that he hasn't.

bit on your show. You need to get him with a couple bottles of wine and he'll be just fine. You won't understand the word he says, but it'll be great. But as he tells me numerous times, so Hendrickson elite ball strikers. When he's on, he's one of the probably top 20 ball strikers on tour, one of the few guys that can actually hit low flighted face. It's sickening to watch when he's on. And he's become an average putter and he's become an average chipper. But as he tells me all the time, he goes, I'm never going to be a great chipper. He goes, I don't have it in me. He said, so we'll be, we'll be going through. a session. It'll be maybe on a Tuesday of a tournament week and we'll be chipping for an hour.

And if he ever goes past that, he's going to look at me and say, coach, if I chip this much, I'm going home on Friday. Good point. Yeah. Man knows his game. Man knows his game. There's two types of players. Hendrick Norlander goes to the first team. Hendrick Stensing goes to the first team in his prime or whoever the great elite ball strikers are. Now, you know, Justin Thomas. They go to the first team knowing, hey, if my full swing is on, everything else is going into place. Patrick Greene goes the first team and goes, hey, if my chipping and putting his own, I'm not worried about how I hit it. That'll take care of itself. So you have to coach each style. There's Adam Long and I have to spend way more time on chipping and putting because he swings

at 110 miles per hour. He has to maximize from 120 yards and in. He can't do the things that Justin Thomas, Roy McElroyduston Johnson does. Taylor Moore, my new guy on tour has had a nice fall and pounds it. He's 5-8 and swings at 120. I mean, look, he does things that Adam Long can't do. So every structure and playing and guys you work with is based on what they can and can't do. So, but it is, you know, my goal with short game is almost like a pre-event defense. I'm trying to build them a defense mechanism. All these guys on tour got their name on the back as they can hit it. You can't play the PGA tour unless you can hit it, period. The worst. The worst, ball striker on tour is still pretty damn good.

Correct? That's what I tell everybody. He's like, oh, who hits it bad out there? I'm like, no one? Nobody. Martin Train is probably statistically the worst ball striker on tour, and he almost won a few weeks ago.

Yeah. So at a golf course, it's pretty darn hard. So all these guys hit it, my job is to build them a prevent defense. It's to build them a defense mechanism to when things are going in haywire, they can hang in the ball game. And when they are on,

they can maximize. Does that make sense? Yeah, don't know. If they have to use all of what I do, of what I'm doing, if they have to use that too much, they ain't going to be on tour very long. The game works green backwards. If you can make four foot putts,

what does that free up? It frees up your lag putty. If you can make your four foot putts, five foot putts, what is that free up? Chippy. Chippy you don't have to hit it as close. If you can chip it, what does that free up,

iron plate? Because now you're not afraid to miss a green, therefore now you're not afraid miss it in the rough off the teeth. It starts green backwards. Yes, you have to hit it. But if you can do those little things, I say this all the time, I was working with a kid today that's going to SMU next year. That's a high school and really nice player. Look, I don't care if you can get the hard ones up and down. It's unbelievable to watch Jordan Speeds and Patrick Reed and those guys get shots from just dead, get it up and down. But I care about getting the basic ones up and down.

basic shipping, basic pitching, basic bunker, basic cutting requires way more sound technique than hard flop shots. I totally agree with you on that. That's a great good. Basic kids have got required contact. Basic hard flop shots require unbelievable sick hands and imagination. I've helped Hudson Swofford off and own for a year or so, and he's incredible out of hard lives. He struggled for a long time out of basic chipping. Now he's getting a little bit better because he has a better understanding of what he's doing.

But again, he's a type doesn't have to be great at him because he hits so dark good. The one thing I really, really agree with you on is, I mean, for these guys like Patrick Reed, a lot of guys panic when their full swings is not in total order, when they don't feel totally confident about it. Guy like Patrick Reed, he's like, I've been here before. This is no problem. I can hit it like shit and still go out and win. I mean, for a guy like me, if I would have a bad warm-up session, I'd be like, oh, by God. Where are we going Friday night?

Babe, Southwest, see what they got Friday. I saw you panic when you were at the British Shops and now you were on full tilt. Yeah, well, that was a place where I never played off that tide of grass and I didn't really know how to compress it very well and that kind of exposes you over there, Josh. You were kind of a picker, Cole.

Let's just call it that. You weren't really a compressor. No, that's exactly, I didn't have enough speed to compress it. And just so you know, I asked like basically every bathroom attendant concession stand guy at the British Open to come help me that day and then I ran into you. Hey, I don't blame you.

I'm beyond overvalued overpaid. No, you're the best one of my favorites out there. But, I mean, we could talk, I feel like, for four hours, but we got to get to this other guy. I mean, there's another dude. There's another guy you kind of spent some time with. Do you coach any normal dudes? Not really.

You know what? That's kind of my MO. I get handed all the bad short game guys, and I get handed all the psychos. So anyway, it's kind of part of who I am. I mean, I love that. I like to be needed. Does that make sense?

As a coach, I don't want. work very well with independent players who say, all right, I'll see you in a few weeks. I like to be in the game, and that's probably my college coaching roots in me. I like to be a part of guys' lives, and it's a relationship to me, and the business comes second. And so, yeah, it's, but I know where we're going with Bryson and God, he's a beauty. He's, I've got some great stories, so just fire away. Let's get to him, because I want to know, I just, I want to know, first time you see this guy. Here he is.

Yeah. All same length of club. obviously different than anything you've seen before. Give me a first impression of Bryson DeShamba. So interesting stories. So we won our second national championship at Augusta State, and I knew I was going to SMU immediately after that. And I knew I had to recruit fast because candidly the team,

you know, they were ranked about 60th the previous year. They had just lost Kelly Kraft, who was one of the top 10 players in the country. So you do, and they didn't really sign anybody. So you do the math. They were essentially 100th, 100th, 10th ranked team and not returning very much. So I knew I wanted to rebuild fast.

I can't stand losing. And so I found out about Bryson through Ryan Ressa and Taylormade, Adidas Goss, who was our sponsor and still a great friend of mine to this day. And he said, hey, does this kid in California, you ought to check out? It said, he's different, but he's not probably well liked. He's a little different cat. He's got a bad attitude, all these things, but he said, he's probably right up here out. I said, all right, we'll give me his name.

So he told me Bryce to the Shambo, I looked up his. results, they were really good. So I did something I've never done in my entire life. I picked up the phone. I called Bryson and I said, hey, Bryson. My name's Josh Gregory. You don't know me. I don't know you. I've just won two national championships at Augusta. I'm going to ask you and I'm going to rebuild this program as fast as I can. And I said, I'm going to offer you a full scholarship over the phone. Side unseen. And the kid almost starts crying because he doesn't come from any money. He was being recruited by UCLA, Stanford, Washington, everybody on the West Coast. And his dream was to go to Stanford. And I knew the only way I could beat Stanford was to get in early. They have the ultimate

trump car. They have Tiger Woods. They have one of the best universities. And they, it's, it's the, it's the, maybe the greatest place to play college golf. It's awesome. Best facility. It's incredible. So I said, I'm flying out to the junior role tomorrow to watch you at Torrey Pines. I'm going to fly out. I'm only coming out there to watch you. And that's it. I have no idea what I'm getting. I kind of know the single link stuff, but I really don't even know what I'm going to get. I just know I'm looking at scores and I trust Ryan rested that hey this kid's good so and I know I want to win so I go out there and I see this kid carrying it with a pull cart now nobody's got pull carts at this time this is 2011 this is 2011 now every every junior's got a pull card it wants to make me throw up but every one

um's got a pull cart he's got his pain Stewart hat on he's you know he's got all the irons of the same length he's swinging at this time he's swinging zero shift plane I think is what he was calling it because the club never it wasn't even one plane it was it was wacko but he striped it he didn't hit it anywhere but he absolutely striped it and i when i say the worst attitude i've ever seen i mean the worst attitude i've ever seen banging clubs swearing pounding looks like the biggest three-year-old you've ever seen but i don't care because you know what i can fix that first of all he can play but i can coach that i can fix that i can't coach 76 and a seven six and a seven six and a 68. But I can coach 68 into 65 with having a good attitude and learning how to play the game.

So I'll never forget how to coach a coach who I won't mention said, why are you taking that kid? I said, what are you talking about? Why would not? He has a 4.0 in the classroom and he shoots 68 every time he teased it up. All I got to do is keep him out of trouble, get him to the tea on time, and he'll be just fine. So there's nothing wrong with that. I have no trouble with that attitude. And that stuff you can work and you can coach. At least it shows you cares. But that, That was the first impression of them. And I'll never forget, he gave me one of the coolest compliments ever when he eventually came, said, I'm coming to play for SMU because he chose us over UCLA and Stanford and some really

great programs that were established. We weren't any good. And I said, why did you choose me? Why did you choose SMU? And he said, you were the only coach that would let me be me. Everybody else told me my way wouldn't work. Everybody else told me that single-in-cloths wouldn't work, and they're going to have to conform to their practice beliefs and there's workout, workouts, and all this crap.

Why? There's different rules for different folks. You shoot 68 and a 4.0, you do what you need to do. You shoot 76 and have a 2.6 and you're on my rules. I was a combo. Which were you? What about a 2.0 and shoot 74? I was 68 and 2.5, but whatever.

It worked out just fine for you, but you're a hall of favor. Yeah, that's right. That's right. So when you get him and he's got this bad. attitude, but you know that going in and you just goes Patrick Reed. So you got some, you know, good experience in coaching this type of stuff. When he gets there, how do you whip him into shape? I mean, that's a strong-headed dude right there. He probably doesn't want to change a whole lot. How do you morph him from this, you know, kind of kid attitude out there, banging

clubs and stuff to a guy that handles himself? Extremely hard on him, but with also loving the hell out of him. I mean, I, you know, I was a coach that if you want to be good at coaching, whether it's at the collegiate level, especially at the collegiate level, but even at the professional level, it's 24-7. Your guys come before your needs and candidly, sometimes before your family's needs, and that doesn't make it, it's maybe not a, it's maybe it doesn't make for the healthiest life, but at the same time, that's the truth. When these parents trusted their kids with me, my job was to put them first. And so there was numerous conversations at midnight. There was plenty of times sitting after practice,

working with them. There was plenty of times at tournaments. The team would go home and I'd be the van and would be sitting there practicing or a lot of times just having come to Jesus chats, more importantly, about life and about talking and about understanding what he has to do to be a true professional and to be a gentleman. And some of it's worked, some of it hasn't worked. He's still got plenty of room for growth. But one of the coolest stories that I remember about him is so I knew that his wedge game was terrible. He couldn't chip in his wedge game and bunker game. well, it's hard to chip with a six iron. It's hard to wedge it with a six iron or a seven iron.

That's, you know, nine degrees upright. I mean, let's face it. That's pretty tough. That heels is going to dig pretty fast. So he, I knew that I would lose his credibility and I would lose his respect if I ever tried to put him in short wedges. That was the only thing I wanted to change that I said, I wanted to give him a couple of my wedgers to somebody's wedges and say, hey, go figure it out with these and let's see what we can do. Do all the other, but I knew I would lose his. respect. So one day he finally came to me after another qualifying round or round where he didn't play

that great, didn't chip it well, didn't wedge it well. And he said, hey, coach, can I try some short wedges? And I'm literally just dancing because I'm thinking I'm going to have the greatest player in the history of the game because he's going to now have short wedges and he can do whatever he wants to do with this full swing, but now he's going to learn to chip and wedge. So I said, all right, meet me at the golf, meet me at Dallas Athletic Club. So meet me a Dallas Athletic Club tomorrow. We're going to, I'm going to bring you two wedges. You bring your two. And I'm going to run you through some competition, some drills, some games, and we'll just see what's better. I'm not going to tell you what to do. So I wake up the next morning at about 630, and there's a message on my,

my voicemail already says, coach, I can't do it. He's almost crying. He goes, coach, I can't do it. Because I can't do it. I said, all right, meet me at the facility, and I'm going to teach you, we're going to learn how to wedge it, we're going to learn how to chip it, we're going to learn how to bunker it with six irons, essentially. And I'll be darned if he didn't figure it out. And we learned that we had to make a week, but had I ever forced him into those wedges, there's no way we would have had the relationship that we had. Although I still think he could be a better player with short wedges. I was going to ask.

Right now, do you think he should, do you think he would, I mean, clearly he probably won't contemplate that at this point? But if he did, you think that'd be a good move? If he ever just embraced that and said, I need to get this better, even though he's gotten pretty good. Yeah. If you look at his stats, I mean, his weaknesses would be, you know, around the greens and distance wedge play.

So, yeah, I think it damn sure wouldn't hurt. It's his only weakness. He's an elite putter. That's what he's not giving credit for. The guy's one of the best putters in the world. He rolls incredible, and nobody works harder at it. Now, it'll be interesting to see. Now changing green books, changing some of the things they're going to do,

how's he going to adapt to that? But there's nobody that works any harder, so he'll figure it out. But, yeah, I think he could be a better wedge player. Discontrol would be better. He could flight it better, all those things. But it was a unique relationship. It was something that I learned so much coaching from him. You know, we had us,

I had to treat him differently. I had to keep him away from his teammates at a lot of times because I just knew it wasn't right. He needed to be doing his own thing. So he came to the right environment because I was going to be a coach that was going to coach individuals. And he was terrible at matchplay. He made it to like five straight USGA events in the Western AM, but he never won't a match because he was so bad at matchplay

because all he did was focus on what the other guy was doing and just live and die on what they were doing. his emotions were terrible. They'd make a put, get shruggy shoulders, throw a cloth, all this kind of crap. And then finally, I set him down and at a heart to heart with him, told him, I mean, I never forget this before the USAM, the Western Am to the USAM that summer. And I said, look, look, I want you to do me a favor. I want you to literally look away every time the person is hitting a golf shot.

I want you to go out, shoot a score, and if that score is probably going to be good enough to beat your guy. And to his credit, he did it. And he also his credit, he gave me credit for helping him how to learn how to finally play match play because he was his emotions just kept getting the best up so it's so crazy yeah yeah it's just so crazy to talk to a guy who's coach patrick creed and bryson de shambo looking back if i would said after your first year with patrick green your first year with bryson shambo who would you have said has a better professional career patrick creed no backup plan uh there was zero ever talk about

do anything else rider cop rider cop rhods majors or bust i mean that that that was his that was his talk uh bryson i thought would either be in a straight jacket or he'd be be a tour player. He's still my, both of them. I'd say it if he was sitting right here beside me, we're still close enough. I'd say that. He knows it. I didn't know if he could ever, I didn't know if he could ever have the demeanor, the ability to handle failure, the ability to screw up, the ability to miss cuts, and be able to make it. And that was my only worry with him. I knew physically, I've never seen a golf ball hit like that. At that time, it was totally different, though he just hit it straight.

I never saw him hit a ball in a half of him in two years. That's a true story. He didn't miss fairways. He didn't miss greens, but he couldn't putt. And he was a very average, very average to below average chipper and wedger. Now he can putt. And nobody's worked harder on it than he has to become an elite putter. And that's what's misunderstood is that people think, yeah, he's obsessed with hitting it far.

He's obsessed to doing some weird stuff. But, Coach, you're out there all the time as well. and that guy's on the putting green. Now he may take up half the putting green with all his utensils and his devices and training aids that he has, but there's nobody that works harder at his potting that he does. I don't think there's anybody that works harder

at any part of the game than Bryson DeShambor. It's just, it's insane. It's sun up to sundown. And that's why, you know, everybody's like, oh, what he's doing is bad for the game. I'm like, man, if you look at it, though, and if you're out there, like it's not like he just shows up, but all of a sudden it starts in at 3.30.

Like, this has been a process. And he works his ass. off. And so that's why I think he gets the respect of a lot of tour players. 100%. I mean, it's one little quick follow up to about taking up half the green when he, when he puts. One of my favorite stories about Bryson is Lucas Glover. Lucas is the best. I mean, good old boys

just says what on his mind. But one of Bryce's first tour events was at Colonial. And you know that putting green. It's not very big at Colonial. And Bryson's got 17 different devices on the, he's got T's everywhere. He's got Sam Puddy Lab. He's got all this stuff that he's used and I don't even know how to use. And he's got this working over there. And I'll never forget, it was on Wednesday Pro Am Day.

So there's 9,000 other people there. And Lucas Glover comes up to him in his little Southern drawl and comes up to him and says, hey, pro, you ain't the only one on this green. I remember that. Bryce at that time was scared to death. Just shaking like a little dog. And needless say, he picked up the stuff. But yeah, he gets a bad rap for.

I mean, first of all, he's young. He's single. He has all the money in the world. He has all the ability in the world. He's just trying to figure it out. He has other interests than just going out to win tournaments. I think it's unbelievable that he wanted to go do the long drive competition. He may in two years decide, hey, I don't care about how far I hit it.

I want to hit it as straight as I can again. Who knows? But he will work hard to figure it out, much like Tiger won with three or four totally different golf swings. Bryson has won with different ball swings, different bodies, different. different styles of game as well. He's won as a dinker, but he's also now winning as a bomber. And I don't think we'll ever see him, like, stay the same.

I think he's got one of these brains that just has to be going, has to be trying something. If he's doing the same thing over and over, he's not going forward, I think, in his brain. A lot, like, I compare him a lot to Phil Mickelson, because I think Phil is a lot like that. You see him, I'm going to put two drivers in play, or I'm going to do that.

He does so many different things, and it's like, if you remain the same, I'm not getting better. And I think Bryson's a lot like that. I think he'll continue to tinker and do different things throughout his entire career. I think he gets bored. And it's much, you know, I compare it to similar to what, what's going on with

all this college coaching now with Lincoln Riley and these guys leave. After six or eight years, almost every great coach wants to change. They want a new challenge. Did they handle it the right way? I don't know. And I don't really care. But they have people that, why would you leave to go to these places? Well, they want a new challenge.

Bryson wants, Tyker wanted a new challenge. He wanted to do something different because they're always in pursuit of perfection, always in pursuit of trying to get better. Status quo for him just doesn't work. And it'll excite him and it'll recharge him to want to do something else again three or four years down the road. I mean, I know you've been out of the college game for a little while now with the stuff that happened and everything.

Do you miss that part at all or do you love being out there with the best players in the world on the PGA tour? Yeah, I do miss it. I miss it every day. Having said that, you know, I never dreamed of winning two national championships. I thought I could and that was my goal. But I darn sure never dreamed of coaching the best players. players in the world. I never dreamed of helping guys, you know, try to, you know, whether it's Patrick Green or

Willis Al Torres or Taylor Moore, Henrik, or Tucker, all the guys that I work with, the opportunities that I had working with Jason Cochrak a few years ago, worked with Charles Howell. I never dreamed of sitting there on the, on the chipping green with Tiger and Patrick talking about chipping. I mean, that's unbelievable. I'm just a college golf coach that happened to be do a pretty good job because I had great players and I wanted to, and I worked hard. So the ability to work with the best in the world I never dreamed of, but it's also the ultimate challenge and the ultimate, the ultimate grind and the ultimate gratification to be able to try to help these guys

win at the highest level. What's cool about what I can do now is I'm so lucky to be at an awesome place to be at Merido where, you know, Merido under Albert Huddles to be here in Dallas to where I could, I could be here one day a month, a 30 days a month. So I don't have to, you know, I don't teach a lot of members. I need to teach more. I need to do a better job of doing that. But whether I work with somebody at junior level or college level or mini tour level

or professional level, I can truly coach them. Does that make sense? I don't have to, I don't have to fundraise anymore. I don't have to recruit anymore. I was good at those things, but that's not coaching. You know, probably at Augusta State, 90% of my job was coaching. At SMU, 25% of my job. my job was coaching. Big difference of place. I had, I had three and a half scholarships at August

State, a $30,000 operating budget. At SMU, have a full four and a half scholarship. I have a $300,000 operating budget. Do whatever I want to do. Money, planes, all that stuff doesn't make a darn bit of difference in winning. That's why I hate hearing excuses of coaches say, well, we don't have the funds. That's garbage. You can win anywhere, anywhere within Reese. We had enough at they got to stay to win. We didn't have what everybody else had, but we had enough. We had a great, we had a great facility, we had a great place to play. We had enough money to get around, and we had a coach, and we had players who care. So to answer your question, yeah, I miss it. I hate the way it ended. I hate that, you know, that, yeah, there's some selfish things that, that I regret. I know the

truth, and I know what I did, and I made some mistakes. And, you know, I didn't deserve the punishment I got, but at the same time, if I didn't make a mistake, I'd have a job. I wouldn't have lost my job. So it was ultimately it was on me. But I'm also it's a blessing in disguise. Had that not happened, I would have never been able to do this. I would I would be a college coach probably probably still at SMU. I firmly, I hate it because I firmly think we would have won national championships there. And I wanted to do that for my alma mom, for my alma mater, a place that gave me much like you cold. I wasn't an SMU kid. I mean, I just got lucky enough to get a scholarship there. So I wanted to get back to a place that gave me so much. So

there's part of me that misses the you know i miss the national championship i miss competing in that event i miss the day-to-day practice i miss the the competition i don't miss a lot of the other stuff i don't miss you know uh the day-to-day recruiting and chasing down 14-year-olds yeah that's such cool stuff i mean i feel like i said i feel like we talk about this for like four hours but obviously as you can see it's getting a little dark there yeah i feel like you're about to get mugged at somebody's gonna be on the you're gonna be on the first 48 here next couple weeks if we don't get you through the E9. Yeah, we got to get to that.

I think I was a huge of that too when I lost my job at SQ. I had a lot of them as well. I had you attached to the Kennedy assassination. I don't know if you want to get into that, but I've heard your name linked to that. Coming out in a movie here in a couple months. You were in Dallas at the, you know. Well, let's get to it. That's a story for another day.

All right, Emergency 9. You know all about this. Nine fun questions. You get to know Josh Gregory a little more. We ask this to everyone. You can trade lives for a day with anyone. ever, dead or alive, who would it be? St. Louis Cardinals

manager. Whoever that is right now, Oliver Marmal, I just got named but I would be the St. Louis Cardinals manager in a heartbeat. You're a diehard Cardinals fan? Diehard Cardinals fan. Would love baseball probably weren't I loved off. Wow. I wouldn't think of that answer. Shoot a back out, bullshit with the boys.

No, I'm too scared to do that. All right, it's not an answer I thought we might ever get on here. St. Louis Cardinals manager. All right. we might can make that happen. Or maybe GM would be even better. That way it would be less. I could just watch.

But anyway, be the man. I like that. That's a good gig. All right. Next one. Would one of your biggest accomplishments as a coach be getting Will Zalotaurus to actually eat? Yes, we need 20 pounds. We need, we need.

There's no guy to eat 20 pounds. Is he a kid that eats and doesn't gain weight or does he not eat? He eats. He just can't gain weight. The guy eats. I respect it. But he eats, he eats too clean. He's too healthy.

So he's kind of a health freak as well. Send him to Scottsdale. Get you some water burger in his life. You know what I mean? Spend a week with me. You'll be fine. 20 pounds. Got to pump those numbers up in this racket.

That kid's a stud, man. What he's done the past two years is, it's been pretty cool to be a part of that journey. He's a beast. Yeah. Get that putter going. Look out. All right. Better fashion statement in the game of golf.

Patrick reached choker Bryson DeCambeau's little hat You're gonna get me You're gonna get me in trouble here But I'm gonna have to say the hat I know the reason behind the choker So there's a more to it But yeah we'll go with a hat

And be done with that question Okay, that's fair enough I feel like the choker I don't know the story about it It could be loosened up just a little bit There are times where I'm wondering If enough blood's getting up there Could lead to some of these things

All right next one when you travel to Torrey Pines this year are you planning on just packing a sleeping bag for safety's sake yeah that's my story I'm sticking to it I will be getting the biggest bed known my whole room might just be a bed yeah I'm going to try to stay in bed this year king size or a double I just take the ground I brought my own back brought my own back yeah I was in a double last year and that's the last time I'll be in a double I'll just be in a futon or a sleeping bag. So yeah, hopefully no more falling out of bed.

It's quite embarrassing. It was actually sober, too. So that's really the embarrassing part. Yeah, it would have been a lot more. Yeah, it would have been a lot more, you know, people could embrace that a little bit. Hey, he was blasted. What do you want him to do?

Nobody believes me. I expect Matt Everry has no time for my story. I mean, he's told, he's like, there's nobody that believes your story. But it's telling the truth. Robert Allenby is somewhere smiling when he heard that. Hey, yeah, I paid for it, though, with the broken shoulder, still not healed.

So it wasn't more that I could probably get out. Oh, that's great. Well, we're glad you're okay now. All right. You mentioned you've been out there with the best in the world. You're on a chipping green with Patrick Green and Tiger Woods. What's one of, like, just off the top of your head, most impressive thing you've seen in your days out on the PGA tour?

Oh, wow. So here's the thing, Colt, that impressed with me. And it's probably not going to be one thing. obviously I've seen I've seen rounds I saw Charles Howells shoot 63 one year at the plant on plantation at sea all it was blowing 40 and the wind was about 20 the best round I've ever seen on tours Brent Snetterker when he shot 69 I believe or 68 to win at tory when the average boy was like that yeah it was like 78 that day it was it was the hardest it was impossible so the things that impressed me and I guess it's because I was never good enough and never believed in myself the little things impress me.

When I see Dustin Johnson or I see Roy McElroy started over the water on 18 at sawgrass and they bleed it back to the middle of the fairway like it's nothing. Or I see 11, I can't think of a hole off the top of my head. 14 at Southland, TPC in Southland. One of the hardest far threes. Used to be even harder when they played 30 yards further back. Water on the right. And I see guys started over the water and hook it in the flight.

That's the stuff that amazed me. That's the thing that I don't think the general public really gets it. Yes, that takes the skill, but that just takes balls and no fear. I mean, that's just stuff that to me just drives me crazy. Like, oh, my God, how did they just do that? I mean, everybody else pulled cutting it over to the left and they're just trying to keep it on land. And these guys just aren't afraid. And those, to me, are the cool things that I see.

bias with seeing stuff that that Patrick can do in practice, you know, making, you know, like you hear stories of Larry, Larry, you know, Larry Bird making 100, 100 free throws in a row, all those kind of stories you hear, but seeing him make, you know, 50 to 100, five footers in a row just from random different spots, things like that, those are to me are really cool. When we do our wedge combines and the guys averaging five and a half, six feet a wedge from 100 to 140 yards, those are just, those are things that you just, you just really can't teach. Those are the sickening things that these guys are great at.

Watching, watching, like, watching Steph Curry warm up for a basketball game. Those are cool things. Watching Bryson last year at Hilton Head when he was first trying to really crack the speed numbers, and you know the net they have at Hilton Head, and he's swinging, and he's getting it to 210. And he's got the whole driving range is on Hilton Head watching him hit drivers. Everybody, you know those guys.

They're all selfish. They don't really care about what anybody else is doing. To be great, you're doing your own. thing and literally the whole range to stop and coming over behind him and watching him swing it to 10 and just sending it over that net like it's nothing. Bastards a little back there.

Yeah. Those are the cool things that when you ask the question, those are things I never bring up being able to see. Yeah, that's when you know some special shits going on. When the best in the world, I'll stop what they're doing to watch another guy. That's when you know something rare is taking place.

All right. Next one. Of all your students, by the way, how many guys are you working with right now? I've got eight cool guys out on tour and then probably several, probably three to four others that I see to come to Dallas or I see it occasionally different spots. I try to make a general rule. I've done a better job with my players give me a hard time. Some of them say you're going to work with the entire field. So I try to limit my guys on my full-time guys, the only ones I work with on the road.

And then I have a few others that I've seen time at the time all of the road. So it's, I never agree with this. I don't really know how to say no. Have a hard time to say no. I love it. I get it. get it leads me into some bad situations but okay we'll count your your part-time guys as well of your 11 or 12 guys that you're working with right now who would be the most likely to blow

an entire winners check in the shortest amount of time well i don't know if grace and burn anymore so that would have been a 100% of a lot uh right there uh i think samariter oh interesting i would have said Kelly craft I would have said it Kelly oh that's that day and day out yeah he's fancy dude Yeah, he's a fan. He's not afraid. I feel like he would just spend it over a longer period of time. He would add another country club membership.

He would own Pablo. He would do things like that. Ryder's going to go out and blowout in Vegas with trippers with, you know, the kids do the follow service with cold tap for us. I'm glad you brought him up. I don't know why I had to get him. I'm glad you brought him up. I feel like Kelly Craft is the Dallas, Keith Mitchell.

Both like a nice shit. You know? That's fair. Yeah. He's like nice up. Yeah. Dress the park. Yeah.

Piled up part through and through and he came from dead in Texas. Hey. If there's a rich Carlton within two hours of the golf course, they're playing, he's going to stay at it. He's fine. He doesn't mind the extra drive. With the playoffs for Liberty, uh, Liberty, uh, for Liberty one year, Liberty National somewhere. I mean, the guy was.

Actually, I don't think it was Liberty. Liberty not that bad. It wasn't. It was a Beth page. It was like a hour and a half. Yeah. downtown Manhattan's more to the polo bar every night

and the course was an hour and a half away or something but hey he's his own staying in the Hamptons he found a way to keep out there year and you're out yeah all right gotta look good got to feel good number seven yeah who had her bigger meltdown

on the 18th hole of a golf course John Vandeveld at Carnusty or you at roilocks country club in Dallas yeah fortunately mine wasn't on national TV and it didn't cost me 1.5 million or so, let alone all the other stuff that goes with it. But mine was more embarrassing. Mine was only cost me a couple hundred bucks, but it was one of the most demoralizing moments of my life other than getting fired. It was probably ranked right there just below it. I was playing, I was, I was, I played my best golf ever as a midam from like 36, 35 to 40 years of age. And I was good and cold. We probably gave me about one aside. It was pretty

I think it was on one aside. It wasn't too crazy, but I was good. In college, I could beat Patrick and Hendrick just as much as they beat me. And when I came to SMU, I could beat all my players then. So I was good. But I just had driver. I had driver demons. Still have driver demons.

That's why I don't play anymore. And I was, I think, seven under par through like 14 or 15. I think I made a bogey. And then I just striped. And Colts, I think it may have been the first time I'd ever play with Colt, but we knew each other well enough. obviously gives me a hard time and he knew about my driver demons and so I'm walking up to 18 at Royal Oaks which is a scary T shot for anybody but I-75 shouldn't come into play but basically right

before I'm about to hit it he goes when am I going to see that high right shot I've been hearing about well well I didn't handle it very well and this ball was at least 200 yards right of the fairway and is still traveling down I-75 south going to SMU but it was a a pretty low moment in my career. It's one of the hardest I've ever laughed on the golf course. I felt bad because I definitely got in your dome, but just the result of the shot was incredible. You backed off and just looked at me before you hit it,

and you're like, God, God. I wanted to kill you. I wanted to absolutely punch you. But at the same time, I was like, all right, it's funny, and I need to show that I can do this, and I just couldn't do it. And I would love to know my impact numbers. The face had to be at least 35 degrees open at impact. It was frightening, but whatever.

Sounds like you've gotten over it. Sounds like you barely even remember. Definitely no scar tissue from that one. Every time I get on 75, leave it in Rollo because I just start. I don't really remember it, but it was a Wednesday. It was 72 degrees. North Northeast wind at six miles an hour. I don't know.

I can't really remember. All right. Well, you know, shit happens. Take enough Big Cat's money that day to still break even. He's a nice insurance policy whenever you're playing anywhere. Just like, as long as I can get a game here, no matter what, I can have a little more exposure over here with the other fellas. God bless the Big Cat.

All right, my next one. You just mentioned this man and his propensity for wild things. So I'm going to ask you, which outfit would you expect to be more flamboyant? Sam Ryder at a casual Wednesday dinner or Elton John performing at the Grammys? There's similarities. There's definitely similarities. I mean, it's not a no-brainer. It's not an easy question.

Yeah, I think Elton's going to be a little bit more flamboyant, but Sam doesn't hate a jogger. he doesn't he but uh you know what he's a good looking kid and he can pull it off but um he's definitely definitely got some uh he's not afraid of a night of a nice dinner and a nice bottle of wine and a and a little eccentric outfit hey you and i will stick to those boring outfits just keep a nice and simple job yeah we'll stick to wear a lot of black yes yeah all right no doubt about it last one this is actually a serious golf one we've mentioned all podcasts you worked with brys and Shambo, Coach Bryson, Chambo, Patrick Reed. They both have one major right now.

At the end of the career, who ends up with more major championships? Bryson or Patrick? You're going to get me in trouble again, I can't say a tie, can I? If you want, I'll allow it just because I know I don't want to get you in trouble, but I need to have a number than if it's a tie.

They both win four. Oh shit. Bryson's going to be pissed at you. That's a lot. They're both going to get on their horse. Who would you say? You know how hard four is? Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

Not many. How many people are going to go and four? 20? 20. I don't know. I don't know. Maybe I'd say less than that. No, I do think it's hard.

I do think it's hard. But probably 50, there's two good players. Yeah. Who would you say? So there's three tours on the PGA tour. You know this. There's the big boy tour. Patrick and Bryson are part of that big boy tour.

15 or 20 guys that you just can't beat. You can beat them when you're on. but for the most part you're just not going to beat them with their own. Then you got 20 to 70 that are all good enough to make it to East Lake. And then you got 70 to 175 that are trying to keep their cards. Good point. Yeah. To answer your question.

So do you. To your point. Power game. The power game. So did I. He's got a game that Patrick's going to have to win on the right place. But what's crazy, this is what, and I know just because of his Ryder Cup stuff this year, is that he,

If you look at the metrics, strokes gain, I believe he's either second or third in golf courses that are over 7,500 yards. Patrick Reed. Patrick Reed. I believe it. I believe it. Because he can get it up and down because everybody missed green and then it's better from there. From there in. People think that bomber, that longer golf courses only cater to guys who bomb it.

Yes, does it help. But it does because you're not necessarily, you're going to hit fewer greens. Period. Awesome. So that's, people say, oh, you can only win certain courses. You know, I still think he's going to, I think, I'm, his record in a British Chaupe has been okay, but I'm surprised it's not better because I think it's someday that that's going to be the right spot for him because of his imagination,

ability to fly it, curve, it, shape, do all those things. I think he'll, uh, is, that, that'll be a good spot for him. And I think the U.S. Open, the more of the modern traditional soft golf courses will be better for him as well. But yeah, there's not a golf course to build. that can't hold Bryce in his link. Yeah, you're exactly right. I'll go to the war.

Okay, I like this. Hell of a run. Hell of a run for both. Well, Josh, this has been fascinating stuff, man. We really appreciate you taking the time. Go home, get some dinner. But as always, man, we appreciate it. We'll see you out on the road soon.

Thank you, guys. All right, well, that was Josh Gregory, joining us here on golf subpar, live from his car. Sleez, but I just, like I said before the episode, I love these ones. You get the behind-the-scenes looks. You get things that maybe the players won't really, really tell you, but the coaches, they just throw it all out there.

Yeah, he had no issue opening up and talking about Patrick Reed, coming to Augusta State and all that sort of deal. And it's like he says, man, different rules for different guys. Like he wanted to win. He's trying to build a program. He knows there's some risks. He did his due diligence and said, yeah, this is going to be worth it. Guess what?

Turned out working out pretty well. Wanted a couple of Natty's and then goes down to SMU and gets another guy, Bryson and just hearing about him coming up, like, you know, kind of his recruitment and things like that, and he's going out and watched him, and it's the worst attitude I've ever seen. Like it's gotten, the guys made huge leaps, but there's, all these guys with mega talent, I feel like there's always something.

I love one of the things he said is if you have a 4-0 and a 68 scoring average, you can do what you want. You can play. Yeah, you can go ahead and play here. But, you know, I thought it was very interesting coming from where we always talk about how college golf, you miss it once you turn professional because it's such a team event. He's like, it's not a team event. Everyone does their own thing.

You shouldn't be working out with me. I shouldn't be working out with you. We have our different practice things, all this. The only time we should be really hanging out is in the van and stuff. study hall. I thought that was very, very interesting. I've never heard a coach say that. Yeah, all coaches are like, you know, everybody does it all together and things like that. You go out on the PJ tour and look at one guy preparing for a major and another guy. They ain't doing the exact same stuff at the exact same time. So I think you want that team

chemistry, but in reality, to get your best out of your guys, probably they all need to do something a little bit different, more or less. They should be still a team, but like prep-wise. Nobody does two things the exact same way. I thought it was real interesting getting into Bryson. You and I've talked about this on the radio. It's like his wedges, man. Like how hard is it to hit a wedge with a six iron-length club? Like that's really, really hard. Of course, that's going to be one of his weaker stats. And he was this close to getting Bryson like, yeah, let's go try some normal.

You can keep all your other iron is the same. And I would be very interested to see how that would have worked out. Bryson gotten very good with the wedge's wing foot. He was unbelievable around the greens. But there's no doubt about it. Shipping with a six iron length club is harder than chipping with whatever a 60 degree is. I love that he thought he had Bryson convinced to switch. And then he called him at 6 in the morning.

He's like, coach, I haven't been able to sleep. No. I can't do this. I freaked out. I panicked. So you go ahead, pull out of Dallas Athletic Club. I'm good. That's great.

Thank you to Josh Gregory for joining us. It was a lot of fun. All right, let's get to Fandallel, our guys over at Fandall, the best sports book in all the land. Let's stay hot. Yeah, I mean, just another dub you pick on. Whatever, dude. Buy a car for your family for Christmas. We keep hitting like this.

Let's go. We got the QBE Shark shootout this week. Fun team event, three days. A lot of cool and interesting teams. Big favorite. Sam Burns, Billy Horshaw, going off around four and a half to one. That's a team. That's a tough one.

They're very, very similar. They're aggressive. They're quick players. They're going to be tough to handle. Burns had himself a chance this past week as well. It looked like he might get it done after all that was going on. But yeah, they're your favorites and they're your favorites for a reason. Give our picks out right now.

I'm going to go with team. This is going to be the fan favorite, I think. This is clearly the ones that people are going to be rude for. Max Homa, my man from the double hole this past week. We didn't win, but we got him prepped correctly. Fourth, just off the post. podium. Max Homa, Kevin Kisner, plus seven, Hyundai. Yeah, I like that team a lot. They're going to have a lot of fun out there.

I'm going with two guys, work with the same golf coach, very, very different games, which I think works well in this, and then kind of compliment each other. Jason Kokrak, Kevin Kna. Cochrak right now, I mean, the kids, the kids blazing as well. I mean, there's a handful of guys going into this thing in really, really good form. It's not the most serious thing in the world, but you put a bunch of money up and these guys are going down there and playing. Like, they all want to win. Those juices get going.

So, yeah, I mean, Coak is on a rocket ship right now. No doubt. Well, we're going to see how that turns out. We got that event left, and I'm not sure if we can bet on the parent-child. I'm going to find a way. I want to dig in and see how these kids' forums are going in. But we have an incredible event coming here to Scottsdale, Arizona, December 11th, FanDul Fan Fest, and you can be there for free.

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