Subpar - Kyle Long talks going from college pitcher to NFL star, where current Tour players would fit in on the gridiron

Episode Date: October 11, 2022

On this week's episode of GOLF's Subpar, former NFL star Kyle Long joins former PGA Tour pro Colt Knost and jicky jack legend Drew Stoltz for an exclusive interview. The 3-time Pro Bowler talks how he went from playing college baseball to being selected in the 1st round of the NFL draft, where current Tour players would fit in on the football field and why he feels betrayed by Brian Urlacher.   Subpar Podcast: https://linktr.ee/Golf1271 Birdie Juice Merch: https://proshop.golf.com/collections/birdie-juice-collection -- Thanks to our official sponsor Dewar's. Make sure to check out their Reserve Bar listings today: https://www.reservebar.com/collections/house-of-dewars

Hello world, welcome back to Golf Subpar, Coltonose Drew Stoltz. If you're watching on audio, you can obviously see I'm not in the studio with the Sleazy Man. I'm down at Grove 23 in Florida, having a time with some of the boys. Got to play with World Number 8, Justin Thomas today, reigning PGA champion. By the way, just because you were wondering, Sleez, I closed him out on 16. I was wondering. That was going to be my first question. When did you, not how did it go or what did you shoot? When did you close them out?

That was going to be my first question. So good to get that out of the way. quick. Got two aside from JT, which I think is more than fair. He birdied the first, and I was three up through six. I got a little hot with the putter. I was rolling pretty good, three under three under six. End up shooting a clean scorecard, four under 68, closed him out on 16.

Let him run it back. He made a miracle par on 17 from the water, basically. I'll show you a video of it later. And then he birdies 18, like true champions do. And we pushed. Wow. He hasn't been in a battle like that since the Prezzi Cup. Luckily, it was a battle. Luckily, your Canadian citizenship didn't come in yet. You've been back to back. You know what? I agree. I'll tell you what, though. The game was pretty nice today considering, you know, flying across the country, having a little bit of a time. Talk to you on FaceTime with some of the boys last night. And, yeah, and the cow, by the way, Cowboys win again. Cooper Rush MVP.

I've been telling you, dude. You're wasting money. Guys sitting on the sideline. You got the red, you got the little baby red rifle. He ain't Dalton. He ain't Andy Dalton, of course. But he's the next best thing when it comes to. He's like the little red BB gun. You know what I mean? Dalton was the rifle.

He's a little BB gun. He's doing a hell of a job. It's going to be hard to sit a kid that it's done nothing but win. You got a little help from the D this past week. But I'm glad we're talking NFL. I refuse to speak on the Broncos. They shall not be named until Sierra's husband tightens the shit up a good bit. Thank the Lord.

I got the horn frogs rolling for me, which by the way, another chicken dinner on the football bet. I'm going to try to go unbeaten on the season college football, win only the subpar picks and then lose every other bet I make. Which continued this week, by the way. By the way, we both picked a winner. Congratulations, your streak is still going, but I also gave you a winner

as well. Who'd you have? I forgot who you had even. Mississippi State. Mike Leach, my guy. Oh, yeah, that's right. That's right. The Bulldogs. More cowboy down. And we got a winner on the golf. We're back on a golf hot streak. Tom Kim coming through. Hey, have a couple months, bud. Six months ago, knowing it hurt this name in the world of golf. Now he's on the tip of everybody's tongue across the world. This thing was crazy. How about Joe Scover and shout out our boy, Joe.

Had a nice, really nice run, long run with Rick. That thing washed out. I remember sitting with him on radio a month or so ago, go right before the FedEx Cup started. I was like, got any names in mind? Who are you thinking? He's like, I'm going to let the FedEx Cup play out. Guys probably won't make a switch during that. Then we'll see how it goes. Next thing you know, oh, here comes a guy named Tom Kim. They got President's Cup. And then Shrine. under their belt as a duo. And based on what I've seen in the quotes from Tom Kim, that relationship ain't going anywhere for a while. He's been very complimentary. So good, good decision. Does that count as a double win for us since we've had Joe and Tom on?

That's double. Well, of course, we're going to pat our stats, dude. That's the whole point of stats. You just fit them to make them, fit whatever narrative you want. Man, he was cruising though. And then all of a sudden, 18 came. And by the way, I've hit it where Patrick Cantlay did. One year I finished double bogey, triple bogey to finish 12th there. it's not good down the left at TPC Sumberland. Patrick Cantley kind of gift wrapped it a little bit. Sure. Would it look like we possibly might be heading to a playoff?

But Tom Kim, apparently the kids, for real. Yeah, dude, I mean, yeah, Cantley kind of gave it to him there on 18, but he was toe to toe. You go back to his other win at the Wyndham did it completely different. Started what two shots back that day, shot a 61 final round. The thing was never in question, basically early into the back nine. It was just like, don't have a disaster and you're going to win. This one was different, battling with not only another.

player but one of the best in the world and Patrick Cantley when Patrick can't lay hit the three wood off 18 and i saw the shot tracker i was like no dude malfunction there's no possible way patrick can't lay would miss left on that hole i had i would have bet a shit load of money that this thing is going anywhere but left i could not believe and then he obviously got in the bush he was kind of hang he had to try to try to hit it out there especially with a three shot cushion on second but um damn near cost himself a lot of money without that but 30 foot but for trip 30 foot for triple. Could have been an expensive triple.

It could have been an expensive triple ended up, you know, tying for a second instead of solo. But I was floored by that. Yeah, you got to stay out the bush, dude. What decade is this? You got to avoid the bush at all costs. You know what I'm talking about? By the way, even if he would have gutted it there,

I'm not convinced Tom Kim doesn't stack it and make it. If it's it within 25 feet, I pretty much think it's going in. If he had to, he would have done it. Yeah, I did. He's a little killer. He ain't afraid of nothing. He's in that little pocket right now where shit. seems easy and he's having fun.

He's one of those guys that we talked about. I mean, he's 20 years old. He's not legal. So Vegas is like no harm to him. Yeah. Oh, dude, I was like, most guys dream. All right,

what's your most memorable win on tour? Well, when I won in Vegas, then we went out and did what we did. I don't know what the hell of Tom's doing. He just went to his first party a few weeks ago, so he's got that under his belt.

Probably got blasted on water again. He got excited about pizza showing up at the after party, and not the tequila, no big deal. God, I would love to get blasted. it on water one time. Be helpful.

I would love to see the trick one time. Yeah, I know. I know. I need to mix that in. Can you see over my shoulder right here? That's Gary. Oh, yeah, there he is. There's Gary.

There's a little fella. There's a little fella right there. Well, what's your routine like the rest of how many more days? What do you got? Who you got? All that. Yeah. So Monday, today is obviously Monday as I were recording this.

But I flew here yesterday. We're playing the next couple of days. Got action every single day. Bobby Wade, my man from Houston, just has a whole group in town, and they are not scared to get amongst it. We're staying at the cottages here at Grove 23. I want to move in. They're the nicest thing I've ever seen.

It's absolutely incredible. The Wayno, Wayne Gretzky, played with us today. He just left. He's got to go to Colorado for puck drop of opening night of the NHL. But I tell you what, it's a hell of a place. You've been here. It is Gary. Sorry, Gary in the locker room.

So let me say hello. Oh, yes. Shout out Gary. Tell him I said, what up. Yep. Been a minute. Been a hot minute. But it is a special place, man.

It's a lot of fun. It'll be a lot of action going on. J.T. was nice enough to come out and play with us today. He's got a practice session tomorrow in the morning since he got his ass whip today. But I'm confident he's going to bounce back. Things are okay. Things are okay. after every dark night there's a bright day

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Now, the doers moment of the week. BG, I'm going to leave it to you since you're on the road right now. You kind of already said it maybe. Mostly, I'll tell you this. By the way, I said to cover our clubs, mine and JT's clubs back here because of the true. raining in Florida, as it always does. I don't understand why people live here, other than the state income tax. But I will say, I mean, should I make a comeback?

I recently took down the number 16th ranked player in the world, Max Homa. Just made my way through number eight, Justin Thomas. I mean, I don't know, bud. I think it might be time. Can you negotiate four shots per round on the BJ tour? That's a good point. I do like the shots. I am very good at barring my stroke.

I think Monaghan would be okay with that, honestly. right now, given everything going on. I think this slides to the back burner. He's like, yeah, give it. You also lose a bet to Randy Smith if you come back. It's true. $500.com. That's a lot of doers in the belly.

You know what I mean? It is. But Grove 23, if you ever get the chance, you got to come. It is an incredible experience. We've got people yelling on the back patio right now. I don't know what the hell's going on, but it is a special place. And how about our guests this week, Sleece?

Former NFL player, Kyle Long, You and I, neither of us. We didn't know him at all. He agrees to come on the pod. He is a beauty. He's awesome. I don't know if you've listened to any of the green light stuff he does. I heard him on part of my take.

He pops on there a good bit. He's awesome. He's just getting into golf. It sounds like he loves it. Consumes everything golf, reading books, doing all the shit looking for that career after a career. And it's funny how golf does that. But man, it was fun to sit down with this guy.

He's a great one. If you could get, you know, unsensensensual. grabbing a beer hanging at the bar. He got some good stories. And by the way, if you ever listen to Ian, his brother on their podcast, like there's a couple of smart dudes, by the way. They're not like your stereotypical NFL guys. They get into some deep shit.

They chop it up and they got some unique thoughts. He's a fun guy to talk to, man. All right. Well, let's get to it. Here's Kyle Long on Golf Subpar. Okay, folks, this was going to be a fun one here because we're a couple of golf dudes that love talking about football, and we got an actual football dude who loves talking about some golf.

He's a three-time pro bowler with the Chicago Bears. We got Kyle Long. What's up, Kyle? How you guys doing? Thanks for having me. Good, man. Thanks for coming, dude. By the way, you just let me know you're fresh off the range, early morning session out in Virginia.

How to go this morning? It went well. It gets hot out here. So if you can sneak out in the morning, after the baby wakes up, after you get a little cuddle time in and, you know, maybe do some dishes or something, then you can sneak out and get like an hour out there. I work some wedges. and I putt a little bit, but they had just punched that. Birdwood is where I went today. That's where UVA plays. And they had just punched their practice green. They have like a really beautiful practice green and it was a beach. So I just picked it up from there and went to the

short game area. And that's really where I've been told most of the shots happen. So I'm practicing a lot there and getting a feel for my like my 90, I call it a 90 degree swing where I'm picking it up to my hip essentially and just letting gravity happen. and praying to God that I'm athlete enough to have my hands figure it out on the way through. But it's been fun, man. It's a fun journey, as you guys know. And it's just as frustrating as anything else in life. I'm married just over a year.

I have a five-month-old daughter, nearly five-month-old daughter. And the game of golf is new to me like four years. And I'm really taking it seriously now. And there's nothing in life that makes me more frustrated than golf. But there's also nothing in life that makes me more frustrated than golf. but there's also nothing in life that makes me get out of bed at 5 a.m. on vacation to sneak in around before everybody else is awake. And then I'll bring her by breakfast home, but that's the beauty of golf. Yeah, and you're all in. I mean, you got this bug. I looked at your Instagram. I mean,

basically every single pitcher on there is a golf swing of yours. Yeah. And they're getting, you know, I take a, I scroll down like three times and I click and I say, God, that's such a terrible move. But I'm not going to be the guy that deletes it. I'm going to keep everything up. I'm going to own my move. And one day, hopefully I can look back and say, look, if you go and you show up enough and you keep working at something with intent, the way that we're designed as humans is like, we're going to figure stuff out if we stick to it. And that's the story of our, that's the story of our species. And golf is challenging that evolution now. So for all of us. Yeah.

So you're an official golfer. You say you love it, but it's also the thing that drives you the most crazy in the whole world. So you're an official official golfer right now. You said you got into it four years ago. What caused you to get into? Because that's pretty late by like golf standards, right? And it's hard the later you get. What caused you to get into it?

Yeah, I was like, I remember I was turning 30 and I went out to play with some buddies of mine in spring ball. And it was the first spring in like three years that I had been healthy enough to go play golf with some of the guys. And they were all really good. Matt Sloss and offensive lineman played in Nebraska and the Bears. Big tatted up, burly dude. He looks like every biker from like a comedy movie that's working like the

door at a biker bar and he's got tremendous he looks like a he looks like belly corda out there he's like a big fat he's like a big fat tempo god he has a he has a podcast as well but he's a big golfer um and he got me into it and i went out there and i couldn't even get it off the you know the tebox i couldn't even get to the fairway and it was embarrassing it was humiliating i was a guy who played baseball guy who played football i consider myself an athlete golf is the great equal is the most humbling thing that you can do. It's why I enjoy it. It's why millions of people flock to it.

Well, I'm sure you saw the clips recently of Jalen Rose trying to hit up at the Champions Tour event. He couldn't even make contact with the ball. So don't be too hard on yourself because there's a pretty good moment. When I saw Jalen swing. But then I take a look in the reflection of my camera right now and I see my hairline and then I take a look at Jailens and I say, well, there's some things that I have that he doesn't.

And there's some things that he has that I will never have. I think your hair looks great. If you want to feel even better, there's a video of somewhere of LeBron trying to hit one on a range like a top golf. And it's like, I mean, that's maybe the greatest athlete in the world athletically. And he can't even put the club on it. It's amazing. But I see a guy like Rory walk. I see a guy like Rory walking around stomping around behind Schaeffler about to come like crawl up his ass this past weekend.

It's like that guy's a freak. He's built like a little beast. He's a, there's a reason. Wes Welker, Julian Edelman, and these little white dudes have success in the NFL. It's because they work really hard. They know what they're doing. And they catch the ball when it's thrown to them in big situations and in golf, the version of catching the ball was thrown to you in big situations is sticking one stiff out of the sand or, you know, on 15, I think it was, right? He went out of the sand on 15. Or no, no, he, uh, Sheffler went out of

sand. He went out of the people on 15. On 16, yeah. 16. And then he drained the put the put. That's like Edelman catching a ball on the Super Bowl. Like, so we see that side of the athletics, clearly the clutch gene, uh, what we know, but what we don't see is Rory and Pads running around. I'd love to see that. He's, he's a great athlete. Uh, he would get killed. He's that he doesn't. Maybe he wouldn't get touched. Maybe he wouldn't get touched. That's true. I mean, we're, we're going to talk about some football later on because I got a, I got a little PGA to our NFL question for you. But I mean, you're, you can't be the easiest guy to fit golf clubs, You're six foot six.

I mean, you're an absolute monstrous human. Give us a little idea like what the specs are in Kyle Long's golf clubs. So I went to a club champion. A buddy of my name, Sam Lloyd found me on Twitter. And I was like, I need to fit you. He saw me crouching over the ball like three months ago. With a set of PXG's great clubs, I was using the second gen, really forgiving. And he saw me crouch over the ball.

He said, you need to come in and get a fitting with me. I texted my buddy. He vouched for him. He said club champions are great. spot to go. You should go check them out. And I went in there and I spent like an hour and a half hitting, you know, an hour and a half of like hit and drop it, hit and drop it, hit and drop it, like batting practice essentially. I was drenched in sweat. And I got fit. I think it's like an inch and a half plus on each one. I have steel shafts and I got the bryson grips.

I have, oh really? You got to have the big boy grip. I figured you had big grips. I don't know that'd be that big. I have massive grips. And it's just the, they may, them now where it's just one grip. Like I play with a couple old heads that used to play in the NBA that are like 610 with Shrek hands. And they say, man, let me see those grips. And they feel them and they go, God, this feels so good. Back in the day, we used to have to wrap 14 layers around this so that wouldn't get lost in your palm. So yeah, I got that going for me. I got the the ferrels. I learned what ferals are. I got a beautiful tuxedo striped ferriles on all my irons. And yeah, I got a said he asked me the way that i got my tailor-made set he said um what do you have in your bag in pg

because we couldn't figure out what i wanted and i didn't want pxg because i didn't want to spend all that money and he said what do you have in your bag on pga because i don't want to sell you on anything and i said well i use tailor-made because i like the concept of like something's tailor-made for you you know what i'm saying like a bespoke suit there's nothing sexier than putting on a suit colt you know what i'm talking about when it fits you the right way when it fits you the right way, bro. There's nothing better in the world. It's much easier to fit me for golf clubs that a suit. So that's what holding my clubs felt like when I first got them. And then when I first went

out to play with them, being that they were an inch and a half longer, I was, you know, standing up straighter at a dress. My game has been all over the place, but I'm developing good habits. My misses are good misses. And I'm happy with it. The game's fun. And yeah, I love, it's important to get fit for clubs, for sure. If you're getting started, yeah. Yeah, you're not an off the rack type of a dude. You ain't going to have a whole lot of luck with that. But when you're going out, you're obviously big into this. I want to get into some of this literature that you said you've been reading on golf recently.

But when you go out and play and you're with your boys and stuff, are you like head down, focused or are you, you know, have some drinks, listen to music, that type of guy. Well, on the way to the course, I do listen to a lot of the Rotella stuff. I love that. Golf's not a game of perfect. But that's just on the way to the course. Now, when I'm at the course, I do try to immerse myself in the rounds because the roots of playing are in competition, but the things we really enjoy, the side effects, the positive ones of golf are you're in nature, you're with your friends, you get some hours blocked off to yourself where you don't have to look at your cell phone and all that shit.

And that's the great thing about golf and that's what I try to immerse myself in. Now, along the way, there's going to be horrible shots more often than not, they're going to be not pretty from me. But I love hitting the great ones. And when you do, it's like, see that golfers in there sometimes. I've been playing recently, like the nine hole course at Farmington Country Club where I belong in Charlottesville. And it's a beautiful course. They have a little nine hole track. I don't bring my driver.

I have a little Sunday bag. Hybrids, the biggest of three high, four hybrids, the biggest club I have. And we go out and we just sometimes we'll play two balls a guy. And that's the kind of style we play. It's the same guy who fit me for clubs. Sam Wood. I'll go play with him. And he's a really good golfer. He's like a plus one. He's like a plus one. He's a one. And he's fun to play with. He's a really good golfer. As you guys know, when you play with somebody who's better than you as a young guy in golf who I am, I consider

myself like a 12 year old in the golf world. It's like watching a college golfer or something. And I can learn something from him all the time. And when I play two balls, I can hit a shot. And then he can say, okay, now try this with your second shot. And it's fun to see it. happen in front of you. And it's like that second golfer is a fucking five handicap. For real, for real, though, like if we're,

you know, it's in there, even if you are a 12, like I am. The five is in there somewhere and that's what you're chasing. It's like, you know, a really bad heroin addiction or something.

I was, that's how we explained. I was playing a practitioner. I was speed one time and we were, we dropped and hit, I hit a shot and it was shit. And I dropped another one hit it perfect. I was like,

yeah, Jordan, that second guy flies private. he goes, Colt, the first guy over here does too. It's like, you sick, son of a bitch. I heard of, give me a ride. I heard of Michael Jordan story. It was Jordan and Bird, and Larry Bird hit like a corner three in Michael's face. And he said, that's how they give me all them Mercedes.

Or he said, that's how I get all their Mercedes. And then Michael comes down and fucking sticks one right in his eye. And he's like, that's why they give me the Mercedes and the Ferrari. That's kind of that. That's kind of the same thing we were talking about what I've been reading. It's like Tiger and Phil. Um, do you always hit your three with that far, usually further. Yeah.

Um, that's the part of the game. That's great. And I'm learning how to do that because I'm in my own head enough. I need to take that energy and throw it on somebody else and be toxic. Find a way to find a way to get into somebody else's head instead of my own. See, and I wish honestly like with golf trying to become more entertaining. I wish there was more of that on the PGA tour. I wish there was some shit talking.

I mean, there's a story about Phil bringing up how he had, um, how he had, had dinner with Tony Romo at Pebble Beach when Tony Romo was Tiger Woods's partner. Just to try to get in Tiger's head. And Phil played great. Hey, great having dinner with you. What he said? Great having dinner with you last night. That was great.

That was so fun last night. Patting him on the back. Like, I love that. Like, I wish there was more of that. It would be more entertaining to watch if we could hear these guys talking shit to each other. Oh, I think Tony wanted to crawl into a hole.

That's it. And I think that's like the fourth dimension in golf fandom, right? Is being able to really get into who these guys are. between, you know, on the way to 17, but in the woods up the hill behind ropes. Like, what are they talking about back there? Because I went to the U.S. I've only been to one pro event, and that was the U.S. Open at Brookline. And what do you think? Man, it was spectacular.

The one image I can't get out of my head is you could feel the focused energy at the T-boxes, even with a massive crowd around just waiting to breathe, sneeze, fart, whatever last. But these guys are at a dress, and it's like that Kevin Costner movie, for the love of the game, clear the mechanism when you're on that mound and everything goes blurry. It's like you're looking through a people in a hotel down a hallway. It's all you're focused on is that. And that's these guys in the dress.

And one guy in particular, long story short, was Adam Scott. and when I watched him on the left side in the, you know, first cut, address his ball, step off, address his ball, change clubs. These guys are taking their time. I get up. I hit a bad shot. I'm so embarrassed about the shot that I just hit. I'm going to get up quick, address it, and whack it. Probably get hit another bad shot, right?

That's what I need to avoid. And when you go watch the best at what they do, they're taking their time. Like, this is their time. Did you get being at that term and that being your first term? When you see these dudes hit it in real life, it's like for us, when we go to a football game and we're able to get down close to the field, like, holy shit, you get an appreciation for how big these dudes are, how fast they're moving, how hard they're hitting on every play. It doesn't come across on TV. Same with golf. You just see the track, you know, the shot tracer and you're like, oh, it's straight.

But when you see it in real life, everything's pure. Totally different animal. Yeah, and then you're standing, I'm standing back behind the T-box looking down the barrel of a long par for. Not one of these dog legs either way. You know the type straight away, long par four, protected either side, maybe some natural boundaries on the right. And I'm like, Jesus, what do I even hit here? I'm probably hitting a, you know, in my mind, I was like,

I got to hit a six iron here, and then another six iron, and then make a two putt. But these guys get up. Some of them hit driver. Some of them hit three wood. There's water on the right. There's, you know, sand on the left. And it looks like a mile long. And they're all within 20 yards of one another.

at varying distances in terms of length, but it's incredible the spread of the balls. And you sit in one spot and you watch a couple groupings or come through. They're all in the same area. They all have different ways to get there in terms of the way their ball flies. And I wish we need to invent something

where you can wear like a gogg while you're at a tournament and it can give you the shot tracer. Like an overlay. I think that would make my job a lot easier. Yeah. I would never lose the ball in the sky and say it's right down the middle and it's actually that's fucking bunker. You wouldn't have to rely on Skippy.

It was sitting over there smoking his weed pen who's like, I think the ball lands over here, man. Yeah. I listen to anyone out there. But are you all in on the weekends? Like you're watching every bit of golf you can? No. Well, I really, I don't watch as much as I should. Obviously watching live was really cool.

I'm going to start watching more. when I was watching I follow Max obviously everybody loves Max but I had an opportunity to play with Max and Joe in Scottsdale this past spring and it was a great opportunity to see a really good guy good dude who is a great player and Joe obviously is a really good stick as well and he's a lefty so that's fun to watch so I watch Max and a couple of the other guys Cam Smith has been fun to watch, but now he's going elsewhere. He's still going to be watchable. Yeah, like I said, Rory, obviously the good ones, you know.

I like to focus on the really good ones, but I don't keep up with week-to-week. And with football starting here, I'm going to be watching nothing but the pigskin stuff. Yeah. I'm with you on that. I'll blame you. By the way, Max, you should probably copy that tempo if you're looking for a tempo to cat. That's a good one to emulate if you're trying to get right. He's great.

He's pretty awesome. We got the scouting report on that round, actually from Max and Joe talking about your game, said you're one of the greatest four-iron players in the history of world. Driver doesn't come out of the bag a whole lot, but that four-iron, they said you were Hogan-esque. They are good guys. They are good guys. And that's why I sing their praises every opportunity I have. And, you know, I really look forward to playing, you know, potentially with great players like yourselves. And I want to see you guys go at it in terms of the chirp. It's not impressive.

It's like Matt. I like the chirping. I like the chirping. That's really like if you can if you're a good chirp and you're a good hang like let's go play golf if you're not going to get frustrated that's what I tell guys when they're like you know so you golf would you ever play with me and I'm like hey do you make a time spent with me shitty that's really the question right that's a good that's good a good question yeah I actually was with max yesterday he made a hole in one at Whish Barak seven iron just gorgeous from 209 down the hill it got right to its peak and it's right online I go. because I didn't really want to drink today. And this thing lands and goes right in the middle. I'm like, God. Can't turn out a free one.

Can't turn out a free one. No. But he's at the point now. He has to give me two aside. So I love chirping him when I make four for three on my stroke holes. And it just pisses him off. Yeah. Yeah.

Okay. So one thing I got called on the other day is so people have obviously been giving me dots. I get dot holes, strokes. And one time I said, I always say what I'm really laying. I don't say what I'm netting. and the guy got mad at me. He was like, because you're dotting, you're laying four, you're laying two.

I was like, no, no, I'm laying three. I got a par putt coming. He was like, no, you have a birdie putt. He's like, this is, you have a dog. You tell that guy to relax. Okay. Yeah, I've never heard anyone say that net. You say I'm laying three, I get a pop.

Another thing that happened today, I wanted to clear the air about this. And I almost recorded a video in my car, but it's like, I'm at the range today. And there's a guy in T-shirt and shorts, probably like 50. old athlete. He only has a driver with him. He's got two gloves on and he has like a small bucket of balls probably. And he is going through this bucket of balls so fast. And the balls are coming to whizzing right by me. I'm standing like three, three lanes away from him essentially. And he runs out of balls and I have a large bucket halfway done. And I look at him and I say, take some of these, man. I'm not, I'm taking my time.

I got somewhere to be here shortly anyway. I'm not going to finish these. He goes, oh, thanks, man. You know, I really appreciate it. I didn't want to have to do that. And I hit like three more. I hit like three more balls. And the guy sprints over in the middle of my backs when he goes,

getting three more. And he two hand scoops out of my bucket, like a grown man. It was just me and him at the range. And these are the only balls on the range. The guy comes over two hand scoops and I, you know, I hit it. I step off and I'm like, you got it, man? Like, I wasn't being like,

malignant with my words at all. I was like, I was so chilling in the moment. Like I said, you can like, if you're on a golf course, anything could happen and you're just,

you better be happy. You just better. Nothing like a morning range session where you just hit a hundred drivers. That's a ballsy dude to steal a bunch of balls from. He was a big guy. He was a big guy.

I'll give it to him. Maybe he had hands. He ain't as big as you. He ain't that big enough. That's when you got to get out there if you're him and run and grab some of the short wedges that people hit to warm up and take your life into your own hands. Like how bad do you want to hit three more shots? I do like getting to know guys that are from different generations. And that's one thing I appreciate about golf is I get to go out

and play with guys who I've never met. Like I started belonging to this country club and they want you to play with members. So they try to set you up with rounds with people. And I meet folks and I'm from this town. I meet folks that I didn't know in a small town. And it's cool that they're in different types of businesses and you know i was in the nfl i don't know shit about finance i don't know anything about my taxes i don't know anything about you know who does my insurance or whatever these guys can teach you a lot these guys and gals that you meet at golf courses because there's a reason that they can you know afford to be out there every thursday and friday and saturday and there's a reason maybe trish is there every 10 a m on every tuesday practicing because you know she's

might run her own business. You could learn something from her. And that's the way I've been treating a lot of these rounds, not like I'm trying to take something from golf in a bad way. But it's a good way to keep you involved. And it's a good social thing too. And also for work, I guess people like to play golf. Even the boss is at my job. So that's been a lot of fun. Everyone likes to play golf. You meet a lot of very interesting people. But I got a question one thing you've done, because you told me you recently introduced your wife to the game. And that's a very bold play, my friend. Kyle. Careful, bud. You know what? I've got a really good one.

And I think I'm making this move. I'm sacrificing myself and my freedoms as a man because we just had a daughter. And I know that the second guy that I play with, usually I told you he's a five handicap. I think my daughter has got, she's got scratch in her. And if my wife, if my wife is on board before she's like, you know, three years old with golf, and she can be part of this journey. You know, I might have to go, you know, Captain Insano and just, you know, have this girl in the high chair

hitting wedges like Mr. Woods, like Earl did it. I just written or whatever. Yeah, that book, Earl Woods being, you know, Tiger was what, not even a year old. And he's sitting in the high chair, watching him in the garage. I want my wife to be on board of that. When I start to go a little sideways as a dad, you know, that's a lot.

That's my thinking. I'm thinking down the road. See, in my opinion, it's just that's my alone time. That's your sanctuary. That's where I get away. This is like, all right, there's no babies crying, no nothing. This is just get away. There's some pops. There's adult men cry.

Yeah, sometimes there's some men crying. She lets me get away. So that's good. I mean, I do. You know, we work hard, we play hard. You guys know how it goes. I mean, there's a lot more that goes into this than just showing up and turn it on the camera. You guys work really hard over at subpar.

And you got to put out a product every one. week and you know with what i do with the sunday show and my brother and i have a podcast check out green light pod we talk everything NFL everything like that chris is a really bright dude and a lot of fun to listen to uh but you know everybody works hard and if you have something you enjoy you can't tell me no i mean you can't tell me no if i really am enjoying something and you love me you got if you love them let them leave well what is the saying what the hell do they say if you love it if let it go love it let it go and if it comes back then it's love or some shit like that's golf baby it's just we're big readers over here it's just four hours let me go come on that's fair

what got you you mentioned your podcast and your sunday show what got you into the nascar uh the NASCAR stuff just kind of happened organically as a hobby growing up in central virginia people really like either 24 or they really like three and um there was a lot of the kids pissing on the numbers on the back of the cars. You guys know the bumper stickers. I liked three and I still do. Austin Dylan. Shout out Austin Dylan. He won at Daytona going to be in the playoffs. Paul Swan and I did a podcast or essentially a YouTube show for NASCAR last year. Paul Swan, who is a he's really high up in the AD3 pit crew. We did a podcast last year, essentially covering the week to week to week off the track stuff for these drivers.

It was a lot of fun. And yeah, I mean, I do ir racing behind me. I have my racing simulator. And I do everything from, you know, 24-hour GT3 races and NASCAR, Formula One, all that stuff. And it's fun to do. Yeah, you got your foot in a lot of different things here. I want to go back to, you said on your Twitter, you're like, I've been digging into golf literature, right? I want to give me some of the books.

I believe one of the ones that you've read was the show. Shipnuck book on Phil. He who shan't be named book on Phil. He's like Bruno. Give me, because Colton and I haven't read it. We're not big readers. Give us the breakdown on that book.

Was it a smear on Phil or did you come away like and Phil more? What it was, you know those roasts that they do where they bring all the top people from the late night comedy Central and they bring a man and they roast their buddies. Love those. It's kind of it.

And you walk away going, man, he either wore it well or they didn't wear it well. I didn't get to see Phil's reaction to the book. But yeah, it was a great, it was a phenomenal read for a guy who has never read anything about golf. And I had just read the Tiger book with the Armin Coutain book. And that was fascinating. And to go to Phil, they were just like polar opposites, but they're both, you know, sharks in their own way. They called him fig jam which is fuck I'm good just ask me and there's so

many guys that we know as fig jams without calling them fig jams like that's a great way to put your finger on something I really like what they did there the stories man it's all about the stories and a lot of it was pre cell phone stuff a lot of it was pre internet I get to hear

about that era from my dad who played from 81 to 95 which is like the heyday like the last like the last best The last bastion of privacy for pro athletes, really. And to get to have a look at that. And then, you know, Phil being at ASU, wild, just being so good. Some of the guys you play with, the gambling, I'm not a gambler.

So some of these numbers are astronomical. And I'm not a golfer. So some of these numbers are astronomical. Whether you're a gambler or not, they're astronomical. Yeah. If you bleed blood, they're astronomical. And like some of the shady characters, the important. both met with shady characters. It's wild. And, you know, I'm not even going to get into the live

stuff. And I'm not against talking about that. But that's just a chapter, bro. That's like the live stuff is just like a chapter in the book. I would definitely read it. Let me ask you this. If you're Phil and you read that book, would you come away pissed like this paints me in a bad light? Or would you be like, that was fair and that was actually like pretty, you know, on my side? Well, Phil did have some openings along the journey to speak with Alan by Allen's accounts. And Phil gave him some, you know, his two cents every once in a while when asked a question. But Alan had a book that he was writing. And I don't know if I think Phil wasn't blindsided by it.

Hopefully he wasn't too taken aback by it because the shit is already public. It's just like a deeper dive into it. You know what I'm saying? there's nothing that was groundbreaking, but it was just detailed. And it gave guys like me a vision of what Phil was really like behind that charming smile and that beautiful swing. Yeah, I actually heard it was very fair. Yeah, I mean, it's and it wasn't an authorized job. The thing that bothered me was the unauthorized biography.

Like I liked it. It was kind of like, you know, punk edgy on the cut. They crossed it out unauthorized. I was like, hey, you know what? I like it. I think after air in the quotes that got him in trouble in February, he could write the most glowing book and history about Phil and he ain't going to like it. That's right.

But you brought up your dad. I want to go back to that because obviously growing up, you know, watching him play football, what was that like? I'm like when you started to take football seriously, was there like extra pressure on you and your brother to be great considering who your dad was? Yeah, I mean, when I was five, he retired and he had won a Super Bowl, obviously, and in L.A. I mean, I can only imagine what the hell that was like. That's like homo winning, you know, in L.A.

it's cool. LA's a great town. So we moved to Virginia after the earthquakes and the riots and, you know, all that stuff. They retired. We moved to Virginia. And I didn't play football until I was, you know, 16, really. And it was when my younger brother was slotted to become the varsity quarterback.

And my dad. And I'd always ask my dad if, you know, if I could play football and he would say, Kyle, it's not for everybody. And that was his way of kind of saying, you're a pussy. that's great as you're six six and truck i'm a nice kid you know i'm friendly like i consider myself a kid i've referred to myself as a 12 year old multiple times this conversation but like that's just the reality of it like uh and dad saw that and what he didn't see was a guy who was really loyal and protective of his family and when i came to the football team as a sophomore

my younger brother was a freshman starter it was like you know the the the the string orchestra started playing and it just made sense like things just things worked and the same thing with baseball honestly but there was some things that I could channel in football that I couldn't in baseball and getting to chuck people around and have fun out there was a great time and yeah there was a tremendous amount of pressure every kid who played against me fucking hated me uh every team I played against thought my dad had paid the refs. Of course. You know, every D-Lignment tried, you know, most D-Ly linemen were trying to cut my legs out before. They wouldn't even let me block them. They were just trying to cut my legs out just to eliminate me. So I wouldn't go get the linebacker. That was stuff I

was used to. And I thought that a lot of kids dealt with and add to the fact I played at a private school and, you know, that there's a, there's kind of an MO, perceived MO about private school kids. And I, I'm coaching at a private school now. And I'm really. trying to rid that perception through teaching these kids hard work and showing them what it's about. You don't have to be poor to work hard. You know what I'm saying? You don't have to be, you know, from a single parent home to experience any type of struggle. You know what I'm saying? Like everybody starts on different playing fields and it's all about what you put in to figure out where you end up. And that's kind of the mindset I had to keep. And I listened to a lot of little

Wayne mixtapes in high school. And I was trying to keep a gangster. You know what I'm saying? I was I was breaking down some lyrics for my wife earlier from a little Wayne song from from his heyday. I forget what was it. You remember it? I forget which one it was. He said make him feel the escalade, put his feet in the blades. Remember that one? Okay. On the heat and the blaze. He's like, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what I'm talking about. But low, that was the stuff that I had to listen to because I saw my brother listening to it. And, you know, kids called us Richie Rich and all that Howie's kids, sperm of Howie, you name it.

Like every article about us as athletes started with the son of Howie, yada, yada, yada. That was a chip on our shoulder. We used it. And, you know, 15, 16 years later, we're hanging out and we're playing golf. And Chris lives at the golf course and fuck those kids. Fuck them kids. Yeah. It worked out all right for both of you.

You were a beast like baseball player drafted out of high school. That's what you actually went. to Florida State to do, right? Was your pitcher? Yeah, I went to Florida State and then I forgot about everything that I just told you guys and I ended up rarely going to class and partying all the time. It was my first time away from home. I shouldn't have gone that far away to school, but I don't have regrets about it because I got a DUI and I went out west. I got clean and went to junior college for two years. So a guy who got drafted essentially would have been drafted two sports pretty much high school ends up in junior college on the west coast i don't know anybody i'm working at a jack surfboards

in newport beach um make a minimum wage and i think i got fired like my third month because i was smoking too many cigarettes out front and they were like this is like a this is like a business kyle like you can't do that so they told me to leave and that's when i went and played football at junior college um and yeah mark mackereloy was my coach he was like will you show up to practice i said yes And the rest is history. I played two years there. And then Chip Kelly offered me to play at Oregon. I rode the bench until week 10.

Somebody got hurt. I came in, played, played well enough to get an invite to the Senior Bowl. And I played well enough there against some really stiff competition. SEC guys, you know, is my first opportunity to play against the guys from the SEC who are like, you know. I would imagine it's like being a U.S. player and getting your first opportunity to play against guys from across the pond. Like you know that they play the same game, but it's a different style. And they have yada, yada, yada. I went down to the senior bowl and I just kind of went Batman on some guys.

And it worked out well. And the Bears drafted me in the first round and everybody said it was a stretch because of my dad. And then again, I found myself in that cycle of thinking where it's like, oh, yes, fuck them, fuck them. Like, I want to read everything. You know, like I'll read everything. And I did. And, you know, I went Pro Bowl rookie all pro second year. Pro Bowl third year at tackle. I switched positions. And then I got hurt. I got rolled up on three years in a row. Now I got metal in my neck in my leg. I've got a reconstructed right ankle. I've got two torn labrums. You know, each shoulder is torn. And then I have the Tommy John tear. I haven't fixed it yet. But I can play golf and I can walk 18 holes. And sometimes I can walk 36. And my wife lets me. And I love golf. And you guys get it.

Yeah, you're perfect. If you get that, Tomi, John, you might be throwing 100 right now. You might not be delayed on. I'm just dumb enough to try it. So just shut up. So you obviously were on the offensive line. Your brother was on the defensive line. Did you ever go up against each other in the NFL?

Oh, yeah. I never thought you'd ask about that. I never thought you'd ask about that. So Chris, my brother, my dearest brother, Chris, he's four years, four years older than me, defensive end. He was the number two pick in the NFL draft at a University of Virginia, highly educated, you know, Grammy nominated, whatever the fuck, Kanye said. He's got it all. Okay. So Chris was everybody's all-American. I went to high school pretty much in his shadow.

We ended up going to the league different times. Obviously, he was on the Rams. He, you know, 80 sacks in the NFL. He had double-digit sacks four times, I want to say, never made a pro ball. And in a large part, that's due to the market. I know the PGA, just had a change in the salaries in popularity and all that kind of shit. And some guys have issue with that as they well should. Same kind of issue my brother should have with pro bowl voting because he's a pro bowler in my book. He was a better player for longer in the league than I was. And he's got two Super Bowls. Hard to beat that for me. But we played against each other my rookie year. We were in St. Louis. It was a Thursday game on Thanksgiving. And

my entire family was there because my dad does fox nfl sunday and he was able he was able to be there and bunch of family in town bunch of friends and uh william hayes chris's best buddy on the d line on the rams is finds me after an interception and hits me late so i chase him 30 yards down the field and i thought i get him on the ground and i start giving him the business you're like physically not just yelling at him like I'm on him I'm digging elbows in the throat and you're not allowed to punch right you're not allowed to punch kick spit but you can dig elbows and you can push a little bit until they get you off of them I got a little carried away the whole Rams defense is on me now pulling me off of him my brother sprints off the sideline

to pull me off seven of the Rams guys just give up two of my guys are over there pulling when they get my arms back, I kick. I kick. I kicked William Hayes, who I'm still friends with today. And Chris, Chris was there and he was the one that got me off. And, uh, wow, he got me off of a pile. He didn't get me off. That was a strange clip. Right. But, uh, but that'll be our clip. Yeah. That'll be our highlight clip. So Chris pulls me off of the pile and, you know, I remember chaos ensued. It was a bit, you know, referees, nobody knows what to do. It's a, it's a melee on the field. But the fight's over.

There's just a lot of commotion. Chris looks at me. He's five yards away from me and he says, now you're going to get that fucking FedEx. And I didn't know what he was talking about. Turns out the next week, by the way, the night was terrible. The Rams beat us.

We got bullied. Chris had a great game. I didn't play so well. That next week on Wednesday, I had a FedEx in my locker. And it was like a 30. thousand dollar fine from the NFL clearly chris has had a few FedEx boxes and he was giving me fair warning so uh and and you know the great thing about being an away team on that day was we left the

stadium immediately and went to the hotel we flew home chris had to stay in st louis at the team or at the hotel at the ritz like whatever watched with the 30 family members and uh everybody was bent out of shape is kyle going to get kicked out yeah he's a rookie Beau is terrible. Everybody thought I was a criminal. It's not a good day. So yeah, we played. And then we did have a joint. We've played multiple times. We played in the wild card game, the double joint game. You remember that? Cody Parky. Chris was in that game. Bears, 2018 against the Eagles in the wild card. It was my first year in the playoffs. And it was their D-line was Michael Bennett, Brandon Graham, Chris, you name it. They had dudes. And we had Trubisky at quarterback. He was a pro bowler that year. We were playing great. Matt Nagy was coach of the year. And we got to like a 43 yard field goal left hash. Uh, you know, our offense got all the way down the field to take the lead. And we missed the field goal. It hit the left up right. And then it hit the right up right. Yeah. Collins were, I think Collins were saying, oh, the double doink. He was

like, what's the double doing? And since then, Cody, you know, Cody Park he went on Good Morning America. He got released. We had 30 kickers in rookie minicamp the next. Jerry was like a mind fuck it ruined our whole season like the next season was terrible everybody got fired they blew the whole building up you know the deal um so we played Chris in that game which is historic his kids walk up to me and say double doink still and we did as parenting yeah correct we did we did a joint practice in new england with bill bellichick and you know john fox was the coach for the bears and joint practice is a week of practicing against the patriots you know as the bears

And my brother's on the D line. I'm on the O line and practice sucks. And we're going to be there the whole week. Luckily, there was no fights the entire week. I did break his ribs on that Wednesday. He beat me with an inside rush. And I, so like I went to block him here and he went this way.

And I went here. And all I had was my right hand available. And I just threw it across my body. I hit him square on the ribs. He yelped like a dog when you step on there like tail or something. Oh, it still hurts him, his rib, that bastard. And yeah, so we've played against each other. Always stressful.

It's my least favorite thing is playing against my brother. I'd rather be in an altercation with somebody I don't know. Who's the better golfer? Me. Okay. No, hands, that was quick, quick.

He doesn't play, so it's kind of, I'm a shoe in, I'm a shoe in. Okay, okay, so you got that. Go back to that fight, though, in St. Louis, because William Hayes, didn't you just go on, like, a vacation with him? Like, before that, weren't you all, like, boys already? Yeah, so when I got drafted,

by the Bears, the University of Oregon's, it was on like quarter system or something, and I wasn't able to go to the spring practices with the newly drafted players. For whatever reason, other schools that were on trimesters, guys were graduated in the right time, they could be there. So Chris said, why don't you just come hang out with the D-Line from the Rams? We're going to Vegas for Memorial Day. I said, great. I just got paid, you know, let's go, screw it.

So we go out there, it's William Hayes. all those boys. And we had an absolute blast. It was my first real core memory as an NFL player. Like I felt like I was in the league. You know what I mean? Everywhere we went, girls were checking us out, or at least in my mind, in my young rookie mind, I was like, these girls all are checking us out. They all love us. You know, we're so handsome and cool. And which is not the case. But that was my core memory. William Hayes was there. He's always been like a big brother to me. And yeah, he tried, He tried me, man. He really came at me.

And we always talk about it still. Chris will face it. Like, well, Chris and I'll be drunk and he'll FaceTime William Hayes. And just to have us stare at each other like two dogs when you like rub their heads together. That's great. That is awesome. Oh, we could talk football stories like all day. I'll ask one more just because we're talking about going up against your brother and how much it sucks and things like that.

Not counting your brother. Give me just the scariest dude that you played against lining up on the other side. You're like, fuck, I got four. quarters against this dude he's an animal who'd you dread the most well they're all scary um yeah my rookie year the bears drafted me to protect j cutler from indomacan sue and that was when he was on the lions and i'm a guard so bent dama can sue is my guy and the first time we went to detroit it was you know week seven or something i want to guess i hadn't given up a sack he called me golden boy in the media the whole week.

You know what I mean? Like he really laid it on thick. He's old school chirp. Like he would have been like with the hickory clubs. He would have been a good shit talker then. And we went and played them in Detroit, which is you know, historically not a tremendous team

but that place gets raucous and that defense at the time had really good players. Willie Young being one of them defensive Anna and Sue. And Sue bull rushed me and went to the outside. I threw him to the outside. and Cutler was escaping to the right because somebody over there got be. I can't remember either Cutler felt me and he tried to run or somebody else was there.

Sue got a sack. It was the first sack I'd given up and it was like I was I knew that I was on TV. It was the first time I'd been beat publicly. You know, it was a real make or break moment for me in my career. And the only saving grace that I had was, you know, you get to line up and play again in 10, 15 seconds. and we battled, man, we battled. And I really feel like they dropped that day. My boys dropped that day.

And I got to play him again. I got to play him again at Soldier Field, you know, seven weeks later, six weeks later. And I fared better that game. And it was really a, it was a UFC fight. You know what I mean? You watch some of these fights. And you're like, my God, these guys are never going to go down. They're just beating the shit out of each other.

It was like that. And at the end of it, when the final whistle blue, it was like, I respect you, you respect me, no words were said. I still haven't talked to Sue. I mean, I saw him at the Pro Bowl that year, actually. My locker was right next to him for practice. Still didn't talk to me. He kind of gave me the, like, yeah.

He knew me. He knew me, though. He fucking knew me. And I was so excited about that. But yeah, Sue is that. And then the guy that I didn't match up against ever was Aaron Donald, because the games that we played against them, I was a tackle.

but when he got in the league in training camp Chris called me and he said we have a Hall of Famer that we just drafted and I was like shut the fuck up dude I was like you know quit taking your mushrooms it's Tuesday and he was like no Kyle I'm serious this guy is really really really good Aaron Donald you should check him out and then lo and behold Aaron Donald is

Aaron he's ridiculous watching him do those drills and stuff when they were on hard knocks I'm like how does a man that big move that fast yeah it's stupid It's stupid. He's got his shirt off. I'm like, I'm not the same species. We're not, this is not, this is like varsity and then D team.

I want to see a guy like that with all that hip power. Just get some lessons and just smooth a couple woods. Yeah. Can he move? I don't know if he can put his arms together. Dude, I'm convinced that guy can do anything. If you told me he could fly, I would say he could probably fly. Yeah, you're right.

He's a beast. All right. We got to get in. That would be a tough one. We got to get into our E9 real quick before we let you get out of here. We ask this to everyone. You can trade lives with anyone,

dead or alive. You get to be him for a day. Who's it going to be? Bobby Jones, post-retirement. God, you are a golf nut. Jam. This is great. Quick, too.

Quick on the trigger. Post-retirement. Interesting. What was he doing, bro? Yeah, that was before Twitter and all that, too. He was definitely getting more money off. He had the Bobby Jones live tour, the non-blood money, big money. He was because he took his earnings and then he just created an underground like

backdoor poker game between all these guys. That's what I'm convinced of. I love this. Bobby Jones post-retirement. It's called fan fiction. That's what I'm doing right now. Okay. Fan fiction.

I like that. All right. I've been told that you're a big drinker of John Daly's on the golf course. And everywhere you go, you rank, you give a ranking like, which course got the best John Daly's. Give me the Kyle Long best John Daly's in the country. So the best, I had a Yellowstone John Daly, and I don't know what was in it.

It was at the Yellowstone Club, and that was phenomenal. That was special. Now, I'll give a special nod to Montana because I'm a summer resident there. You know, the number two one, which is usually number one, is Birdwood golf course at the Boreshead Inn is like stupid.

All their drinks are delicious. The transfusion there is phenomenal. but the daily is like a fastball. You can call it and it hits every time. What do you think makes it a great John Daly? Is there something secret in there that we don't know about? The ratio? I don't want it to be too, because if it's too strong,

you're reminded of what you're doing. And if it's too light, you can always get another one. Tushay. It's like a lag. It's like a lag putt with booze. Anything at Yellowstone, I think, has got to be the best. It's pretty good. Yeah.

You can go hang out with Faldo in Montana in the summer. He'll give you some lessons. Yeah, I want to go up to Banff with Elvie. I want to go talk to Elvie up there in the Canadian Rockies. Yeah. Okay. See a moose. See a moose.

All right, next one. You come to a long line at a crowded Chicago bar restaurant. Who has a better chance of getting to skip the line and let in? A star player for the Bears or the Cubs? It depends on their record. But I'm going to say. a star player on the Bears Okay

Cubs are a pretty big deal as well I mean Chicago is a very passionate Sports City they love all yeah but if the doorman is wearing a white socks hat Yeah they split town good point Tough shit go to the back It depends on which which team The Bear threw the first pitch out for

Okay You know like there's layers to this shit Chicago's it's like it's complicated It's like house of cards bro Maybe the dude's from Detroit you never know you know okay uh all right you mentioned him earlier i need to know this in your opinion where is j cutler more elite as a quarterback or on reality tv uh i would have to say on reality tv because uh he was a beast you can't replicate what he does and his personality and that's really

how he wakes up and he's just that way and i love to annoy jay and he's like he's so much fun and on the football field he's serious and uh you know people can it takes away from the way people feel about him because he doesn't want to go talk to the press after a game winner loss like he doesn't want to fucking talk to the press but when you get him out there in a in a reality TV setting he doesn't feel the same type of pressure to perform and carry a team he can just be himself and he is elite at being j cutler nobody's better at being themselves than jay cutler he was Whatever the show with Kristen was, he was unreal. He needs another one.

Just follow Jay around, give a shit. Who else is on it? Just follow him around. Let me see what he does. I was mesmerized by him. You got to get him on. He does pods now. He's got a great studio.

Let's get him. Let's get him. We'll lean on you for that. Is he a golfer at all? No, but he's a freak athlete. Like, silly. Pick up anything and do it type. And he's explosive.

you know, jump out of the gym, explosive. He's a quarterback, yeah. All right. Well, you mentioned you would like to see Rory with some pads on, so I'm going to throw this at you. You can pick, I need you to pick one offensive player and one defensive player out of the current pool of PGA tour players. Who are you going to take? I'm going to put Tony Fien out at Tide-end. Okay.

And I'm going to put, I put like, SEP Straka at Nostackle. No, I'm going to put Barn right in the middle. I'm going to put Sheffler at D-N and I'm going to put. fiend out at Tidana. We're going to have a nice little third down, you know, match up there. Okay. Have some length.

I like it. Some link. Yeah, Shuffler. All right. I mean, I put Rory in the slot and I probably put Max, uh,

somewhere out there. Although like he just, he's got that little, he's got that jaunt about him when he walks. I don't know if he's a good sprinter. He walks like someone got the cool knocked out of him. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. It's, uh, all right, where am I here? All right, here we go. Here's one you probably also saw coming. Um, but as a man, where do you feel most vulnerable on a whole where you are forced to hit driver off the T and you got trouble on both sides or Instagram live and club dub. Oh, I would say I probably panic more on the T box where you have to clear 280 because that's my, that's like the cutoff for my four hybrid.

Like I go from four hybrid to driver. I don't have anything between yet. So that's that's fear inducing. Now, you know, everybody has a penis, right? Everybody's been naked. Everybody's been naked in a locker room. Now, my guy, Thoree Cohen, good home you mind. Still, like I still talk to him, he made a lapse in judgment as a young player.

And, you know, we have five minutes in the locker room after the one, two, three team. We have five minutes before there's any media allowed, right? So a veteran says, I'm going to get my towel and go to the bathroom and go take a shower and get out of here and get on the bus and go do whatever it is that grown folks do after they get off work. Tarek wants to dance. So now my, you know, things happen. Things happen. But I will say the air conditioning worked tremendously well in the Washington football team locker room. The compression shorts did compress.

Everything was working as planned. way to go team beautiful at least it wasn't a December game could have been a little you know December in that locker room bud don't you forget it all right I don't know what all golf courses you've played but let's just say you got one last round to play where's it going to be

like if I find out that I got till tomorrow yep this is it I'm going to go to the Poulson Bay golf course it's a municipal course on Flathead Lake in Montana where I played my first round ever. It's where I play every day in the summer with my family or my younger brother, Howie.

And yeah, that'll be it. Okay, Montana. Didn't think that was going to be the answer, but has a great meeting, yep. Very good spot to be. All right, I'm very interested in this next question, Kyle, because as a former Chicago bear with a smooth dome, right, up top, I need your opinion.

Brian Erlacker, hero or trader, to the bald, beautiful men. of Chicago after the hair he is he is a traitor but then when you realize how many how many billboards there are up you can see that he made out he made out very well um and those billboards have been up for about like a decade it feels like now so he's doing all right they're still there so good for you brian but just know that i do have some some thoughts about that i mean uh you know god god only made god only made a few perfect heads and he didn't put hair on him That's good.

There you go. That's good. All right. Last one. I know you're big into nicknames. You mentioned belly cord earlier, which I think is fantastic. Give me some of your favorite nicknames in sports. Favorite nicknames of sports.

Well, anything that Shaq had growing up, like if you just had a list of all like, you know, the big Aristotle and, you know, Shackertie. The big Shackerties. Was it, you know, it's just funny. That stuff is funny. As a kid, my grandpa called me Tiger, had nothing to do with Tiger. woods. I think it was from an old song that he used to sing to me, maybe when I was little. You know, my little brother broke his leg when he was six, so he was called peg leg by my grandpa. I think I get this affinity for nicknames from my grandfather. And I like it in sport a lot,

especially, you know, I enjoy the coverage of the U.S. amateur stuff, cool, and how it's like an alternative broadcast. And I think that these young amateurs, and guys like myself, they don't, I don't know their names until they win the damn thing. And then, you know,

if there's something to remember somebody by like a nickname, like if there was a thick kid out there, and you called him Tiger Woods, um, people would remember. People remember that like the redheaded ball boy from the Florida state seminals like when James was playing.

Do you remember that guy? Remember the ball boy? There was a ball boy and you'll find him when you look at this. He would sprint down the field when James would. When people would attack. tackle, he would rip fuckers off of James. He was ready to go. And they called him like, you know, Big Red or something like that.

But, you know, that guy was famous for a bit. If you can, if you can be the catalyst for a guy by giving them a good nickname and they can just take that and go shoot 68, who knows? Maybe something starts. I'll give you a couple you like. So I was playing golf down in New Orleans with Cooper Manning. He's got a buddy. Heavy Set Spaniard fellow.

It's a good player. Two handicapped. Call him heavy by Asteroos. which I thought was fantastic. Touch of class. And then him in return, obviously Cooper, being the shittiest of the Manning brothers,

calls him Leangelo as Leangelo Ball. Yes. I was like, this is beautiful. I love this. Those are A plus nicknames. See, stuff like that is amazing. And I feel like that kind of comedy

has missed out on a lot of these broadcasts now. Well, at least what I grew up with golf was very serious and guys who are whispering. We're here. You've got to keep it down a little bit. I want to get rowdy, bro. Like, give me a room I can get rowdy in at the golf course. And I'll do a live stream in a soundproof room that I can see out of that you can't see in.

And we'll just have a day. You know what I'm saying? Like, well, you, you come to Scottsdale this year for WM Phoenix Open and sit with me on Saturday on 16. And you can be as loud as you want. I've never been to the waste management. My folks live right up the hill there at Silver Leaf. And we could go just crash. Do they really?

Yeah, we'd go crash up there. Come, come see us in February. If you like to get rat. 16 is your that's your grounds of your i am in it sounds like we we have a nice coffee date for the next time we speak yes yes i cannot wait well kyle this has been so much fun man we really appreciate you coming on with us thanks i hope the guys uh and the gals who are listening enjoy it and i sure did so thanks and i hope to talk to you guys again soon all right well that was kyle long joining us on golf subbar uh how about his dad said football's not for everyone's the least turned out

okay for him yeah yeah yeah he for you he's he's He was a monster, monster pitcher coming. I mean, not just monster like sizewise, but he was like really, really good. It was like the next thing. And it's also nice to be a dude that can be like, oh, yeah, I'm going to play baseball. Oh, that didn't work out.

All right, I just go, instead I'll just go ahead and go to the NFL and have a long career in the NFL. Baseball didn't work out. Although baseball, being a pitcher, being a beast that throws heat, a big left-hander, pretty good money in that as well. I didn't have that option. It was either golf or nothing. Yeah, you chose correctly.

I did. You chose correctly. He is an awesome, smart guy. He loves golf. I mean, absolutely obsessed. Plays every second he can. Got what, how about Brian Erlacher? Being a little traitor on the baldness.

I'm team Kyle Long with the baldness. Yeah, I wanted to get that in there because Kyle Long, he's a guy that's embraced it. You're a guy that's embraced it. Kyle was up there in Chicago. You've been there. Dude, I don't know when, what year Brian got this surgery. But like, dude, the billboards are still everywhere. It's like Vegas seeing Chris Angel.

I mean, it's every freaking billboard in the town. The dude's still on it. So I didn't know if, you know, other bald people from the city of Chicago see him as the hero as the way out or if he's like, no, dude, you abandon us. You had all together. If we had hair, it wouldn't be fair. Would not be fair. How about also, this has gotten some pub, but dude,

this is another case of why the internet sucks ass. Win a game. You're just trying to hang out, grab a shower, get clothed up, go see your fam, have a couple pops, whatever. And dude just turns on Instagram live, catch you back there, just changing clothes. By the way, like he said, compression shorts, all the shit.

It's just like, you couldn't have caught me at a worst time, bro. Is he a grower or a shower? I don't know, but it could have been worse, dude, some of those games up there in Chicago with that wind blowing. It could have been a December game. Could have been a December game. Now it hurt the rep. But he bounced back from that thing very nicely.

He's awesome. I can't wait for he's going to come out to Scottsdale. We'll play a little golf. He's posting. like swings on Instagram every four hours, it seems like, just nonstop. Like he loves it, dude.

Pretty good move too for a dude that's just an animal and just started playing golf. Yep. All right. Well, let's get to some picks for the week because, I mean, if you didn't follow us last week, you're out of your mind because we both hit football. You hit golf.

Tom Kim. I mean, what else do you want? We're going. We're going right now. It's money-making season, baby. I'm going to lead off right now since I got the hot hand. And you know what I'm going to do, Colt? I'm going to stay hot because back to,

because back-to-back ain't cheating. Tom Kim is going off 16-1, dude. Two wins in his last 18 starts. I don't think I've done this, but I haven't picked a whole lot of winners in the last year. I mean, like I was saying earlier, I think he's just in that pocket right now where everything's easy.

Like, he's having fun. He's handled this, you know, rise to fame. Seems like he's oblivious to it out there. It reminds me, like, a little bit of young Sergio. Like, he looks like he's having fun on the golf course where everybody else looks like they're working. That didn't stick around for Sergio. He turned more into,

a little bit of a little sour puss out there on the golf course. But Tom Kim just looks like everything's just stacking up right now. I mean, I'm going to ride the hot hand after President's Cup, Shriners, 16 to 1. Let's go back to back. You don't have to worry about it being hungover. That's good news. Exactly. That's a nice, that's nice too.

All right. Well, I'm going to go with the, I mean, we're in Japan, Zozo, hometown hero, Hideki Matsuyama. Let's go, baby. Elvis Matsuyama. They show up. They show up for Hideki over there. He's a dude. I don't know what kind of endorsement deals he's got,

but they are substantial. He's going to be the man over there. How do I go against him? I mean, his first ever English interview, Gravy in the Slee's on Sirius X-M. That's true, dude. That's true. That's a big, he's going to remember that for forever.

It's like Masters, that interview in English. Big time deal. All right. Dark horse-wise, I'm going to go to a guy who's sneaking than playing some very good golf. Made it to the Tour Championship this past year. also a guy probably not going to worry about him being hung over because the guy lives in the gym Scott stallings he is he's the sneakiest best playing player on the planet right now that nobody talks

about it didn't peel off any wins but it just seems like top tens over and over scott stallings he's going to be under the radar it's a good dark horse I'm going to go with the guy that I know is going to win at some point Cole I don't know when the hell it's going to be but I'm going to go ahead and pick him this week and roll the dice cam davis uh he finished off the year last year five top 20s in his last six starts actually all five of those were 16th or best better few top 10 sprinkled in there talent wise the kids a beast it's just getting that putter to work just a little bit but he's going to win he's like the prototypical modern golfer and uh i think it's coming soon i think the president's got playing under that you know magnifying glass and that deal

was a big help for him and i'll just i'll roll it with cam davis when not to not to step on your toes here but when you say win you mean win again because he did win the rocket mortgage win like i mean like when like he's going to become a guy that we expect to win and wins each year going for it. The talent is just monstrous. So you look at that golf swing and you're like, yep, he's tall, he's lanky, it's bombs, he does all the stuff. Well, that's the shit we don't know anything about. Let's talk about football, which we

are experts at, obviously. Finally. We are on a fucking heater. Thank Jesus, by the way, because it's the only bets I win each week. Are these ones right here, and then I go into just the darkness. If you had enough discipline to just pick,

just bet the games you bet on here, you'd be richer and shit. You might leave me, actually. I know. I feel like I'm starting off hot every single week and then it just goes to shit. And I win the first one again the next week and do the same thing. All right. This pains me because I got to take our guy, Trent Rathman's school. I'm going Michigan minus six and a half over Penn State. See if they can keep this thing rolling. At the big house. Don't hate that at all. They've looked good. Defense, monstrous.

I'm going to stay in the Big 12. That's my bread and butter. Go on your frogs again? Watch a lot of football. I'm not going frogs again. I'm 2 and 0 on the frogs. By the way, shout out. my boys, clip in Kansas, five and oh on the year. Also, more importantly, Colt, one of the only teams in the country undefeated against the spread this season. First off, that's all that matters. Have not let up. No, I have not let you down if you bet frogs at any point this season. I'm not. It's a tough game this week. Oakey State, favorite at home. They're good. I don't know. We're going to see how that goes. But I'm staying in the Big 12. I'm going to go Baylor,

a team that I think's a little bit better than their record. They're given three and a half at West Virginia. weird shit happens in Morgantown as a different beast. It's like entering a little black hole up there. Those fans are nuts. But I think Baylor's better than they're getting credit for. I think they handle West Virginia by more than a field goal. They're given three and a half. Watch out for that hook,

but I'm taking the Baylor Bears. And it pains me to pick Baylor in anything. That one makes me a little nervous. I feel like Pat McAfee might be there running around, get the fucking crowd going nuts. It could be wild up there in Morgantown. It's wild. It's like Lubbock and Morgantown.

You go there and you're like entering, it's like landing on the moon. You're like, oh, some weird shit's about to happen. Tortillas, bottles of piss. You name it. It's coming at you. All right. Well, that's going to do it for us.

Sleez, I got to head out for an E-9 here at Grove 23. Go get them, dude. Try to win. Try to win. Give us some more content. All right, I'll do my best. By the way, next week, our first guest that might hit it straighter than I do. Fred Funk is going to join us on Golf Subpar.

That's right. Funkmaster Fred in the house. All right, everyone have a great week. We'll talk to you next week on Golf Subpar.