Subpar - Luke List Interview: How the mentality has changed for Tour newcomers, impact of the push for more distance

Episode Date: December 29, 2020

On this week's episode of GOLF's Subpar, PGA Tour Pro Luke List joins former PGA Tour pro Colt Knost and his close friend and on course rival Drew Stoltz for an exclusive, in-studio, interview. The Vanderbilt University standout talks his collegiate career in Nashville, going head to head with Ryan Moore in the 2004 U.S. Amateur finals, and how the push for more distance is impacting the competition on Tour.

Hello world. Welcome to another week of golf subpar. Colt Nost and Drew Stoltz. Hope everyone had a Merry Christmas out there and enjoyed our incredible Mike Commodore episode. I continue to rewatch it, Sleeves, and I laugh every time. Dude, it's one of those ones. I think that'll be, they'll go down as the benchmark for the funniest episode we've ever done. We did what we had for an hour and 20 minutes or something like that. And he's just one of the best storytellers in the world, period.

But B, he's one of the few guys that we've had on because we have big name golfers and athletes, but all of them have like a brand or an image or things. So they got to kind of tow the line a little bit between being funny and really getting into some of the other stuff. Tommy's not that. He's so far removed from that. He's checked out. He's retired. He doesn't care.

And he's more than willing to just bear all on that episode was a 10. Yeah. Well, his brand is hashtag N1. Yeah. And boy, let me tell you, I spent Christmas with him. You know, he's down here from Calgary, away from the family. We went and played golf. And we got in one.

And we had a time out at TPC Scottsdale. I mean, the man is just a legend. First off, he told me more and more stories. We have enough for six episodes. Yeah, we haven't even scratched the surface of commie stories. I was just like, how much can we jam into an hour 20? We'll have him back more and more. We've got some stuff planned for 2021 that I hope can come to fruition

where we get a few guys in here at the same time telling stories. He is 1A on the list. But yeah, I saw you out there playing golf on Christmas getting in one on Christmas. That's a nice little family tradition. We had a, I think it's our new tradition. We decided. Get blasted on Christmas and play golf. Myself, Mike Commodore, Chris Demon and Jim Decker.

We all went out to TPC Scottsdale. It was beautiful, 70 degrees, just had a bunch of cocktails, gambled it up and just let the party keep going all day. It was a blast. But you mentioned that 2020 is coming to an end. We can't thank everyone enough for all their support. Y'all have been unbelievable. This thing is just done better than we could ever imagine.

We hope it continues to get bigger. But we want to touch a little bit on some of our favorite moments from 2020. I know you've got a few. I've got a few. What do you got for me? Man, looking back, A, I feel like this year has gone so quickly. We just started this thing back in February. Now the first year has come to an end.

And huge thank you to all the listeners out there and all the people supporting it and moving this thing forward. We're having a ball with it. I hope everybody else is having fun. But going back and trying to highlight some favorite moments. I got, we've been lucky in that most of the guests that we've had on are the vast, vast majority. We already know, like, we're already somewhat good friends with for the most part.

Very few strangers have walked into the studio. The one stranger who did walk in, which was just a highlight for me, was going way back, Kyridek Alpha Barnrat. We got him the week of the Phoenix Open. His managers, his people just happened to be in the studio while we were recording one of our other shows. Like, oh, we'd love Kieradek to do this. And then the next, I think it was literally the next. day.

Kyrdek was in studio with us. I love that dude. I'm a huge fan of his. We got the gear now with the Kierdeck on, you know, his face on the shirt. And he's a guy that I've always just kind of looked at from afar, not really known a whole lot about him. But so getting to sit down with him and actually digging into it. His story's pretty cool.

And the way he lives his life is like, but he just spends all the money that he gets on either cars or watches or whatever. He lives how every dude wants to live, but doesn't have the balls to do it. So Kierdeck was definitely a highlight for me. Which one stick out for you? I think Johnny Manzel. Yeah. Just because he was so.

open and honest about his past and how, you know, he probably didn't handle things quite the way he should have, but he's like, you know what, at 19 years old, being one of the most famous people in the world, how would you handle it? So that was really cool how he opened up to us. I know we got a lot of comments about that, and just becoming friends with him over this past year, playing a lot of golf with him. He's such a good dude. And another guy that I would love to have back in the chair, because I think we can get a lot more out of him. But you look at an episode like Joel Damon, where it might not be the most popular guy on the PGA tour, but we sat him down, he opened up, and we got so many comments.

about, you know, I didn't really know much about Joel, but now I love him. He's a fan favorite now. It was cool to kind of show the personality of guys like that. Yeah, exactly. I think another two that would kind of fall in that same category, the Ricky Barnes and the Sean O'Hare interviews, both laced with just really, really cool stories that a lot of people had heard. Sean actually went above and beyond and told one that's pretty incriminating and they may get him some comments when he's out there on tour when fans do get back. But both of those episodes, guys who've been on the PJ tour for a long time, maybe not the most well-known, maybe not the most well-known, maybe not the biggest names, but have some just great stories.

And hopefully we're just kind of showing some of the personalities and the, you know, the experiences behind some of these guys. But those two, I think, had, I mean, Ricky's some of his Augusta stories. I was like, same type of deal. I was like, dude, are you telling? Are you snitching on yourself? Like, maybe don't tell us sneaking out and sneaking back into Augusta stuff. I think we would be wrong if we didn't mention Sir Charles Barkley, though.

I mean, anytime you can get Sir Charles behind a mic, it's an honor and a privilege. And he did not disappoint. Without question. Just to get Chuck to come in here. here in the studio was was a big one he's got a lot of stuff on his plate no pun intended but uh he's got a lot of stuff going on i'll say i'll say i'll say one or i mean it's so hard to pick like your favorites but i thought the jordan's speed episode down in dials granted i got a little bit over served there at the end i took a lot of shit for that but at the end of the day it's three

dudes sitting around talking golf and i thought he had some really cool insight really cool stories that was more that was like a perfect hybrid of serious golf talk but also getting to know jordan a little bit more yeah thanks to all of our guests though they have all been incredible. I know that this, like we said, this thing is going far and above anything we thought it probably would have done. But now we just want to make it bigger. And we want to make it the best golf podcast out there, no doubt about it. And with y'all's help, we can do that. But right now, Sleaze, we got another interview to get to. Our man, Sir, Double L. Luke List was in the building. Yes, sir. The final interview of 2020 Luke List was in the building for a little work with

his teacher down here in Scottsdale. Nice enough to come in the studio. We sit down. We talk about USAM, Vanderbilt, his career, you know, on the PGA tour up to this point. And we just kind of, this one's a little more serious golf talk there's no uber stories there's no punching people in the face or things like that but this is a nice sit down with luke liz where we really kind of dive into some golf stuff and he's a big fan of golf subpar he listens to every episode i appreciate that but here he is luke list on golf subpar all right we are excited to welcome in our next guest our boy straight off the bird from augusta nice enough to spend a little time in the studio with us here pjure tour veteran vanderbent vanderbilt commodore legend and i would argue possibly has the best golf photo

shoot in the history of the world. Thanks for having me. His name's Luke list. Yeah, I thought that would do enough. Wait for it. Wait for it. Who is it? I'll help you out,

please. I thought people would just draw their own conclusion. Colts like, is it me? I didn't go to Vanderbell, but other than that, everything else is true. Everything else sounds accurate.

You know the photo shoot, though. That had to give it away. Yeah, for sure. But you're on a beach with just three bikini-clad babes. And I was like, that had to be Luke's idea. And it actually wasn't. I don't know who the producer was or I don't even remember that. You should get a raise.

Yeah. Yeah. You should be your best friend. Making golf cool. So. Hey, we're going to do a golf article. All right, here's what I need. It's just three babes and bikinis on a beach.

If you can find a way to work a golf club in the mix, cool. But otherwise, this is it. It was no golf shots taken. Yeah, that thing was incredible. Slees did mention, though, Vanderbilt Commodore Legend. You graduated from there with human and organizational development degree. What is that? You know, Vanderbilt doesn't have a business degree,

so we'll just say that was the undergrad business school. But, you know, it was most of the athletes were in that field. And, you know, I learned a few things, but it was challenging in some areas. But, yeah, definitely a couple slide courses as well. What's it like going to school in Nashville, though? I mean, one of my favorite cities. Yeah, it's got to be the best. It was a lot of fun back then, and it's even more fun now.

It's changed a lot. It's crazy how much the city's grown. It's kind of a mini-Austin in a way with the music industry, and it's just a fun place to visit. So it was a lot of fun to go to school there, and I wish our football team was a little better back in the day and now. But, I mean, obviously, the golf team is really, you know, a special program then and is even better now. So it's fun to be a part of that. But Nashville is such a cool place. It has grown, though.

We were almost teammates, bud. Oh, yeah? Very close. Think of the dynasty that could have been formed there. You're a horny. You're a horny for all right. I'm holding down that four spot. Yeah, okay.

Power forward. You could have been a two spot, honestly, when we were playing that. Could I? Yeah, I think so, yeah. Who are some of the guys in your team? John Kern was there. Brett Lang was a good junior player. We had a couple other guys.

Brant, I didn't overlap with him at all. And then right after me, there was a bunch of slew of really good players that came through. By the way, you mentioned John Curran, former PGA Tour player. Text me the other day. Oh, no way. It says, thinking about starting a podcast. I go, well, you don't want this.

It's a saturated market now. I'm like, get out of here. Talking to the godfathers here. There's so many jobs. Get in human development. Yeah, exactly. Develop some humans, but. But let's go to, let's go back to 2004.

That's where I feel like the world really first found out who Luke List was. You make sure the finals of the USAM playing against arguably the greatest amateur to ever play the game. And Ryan Moore, having one of the highest. hottest summers ever up there at Wingfoot, but you make it to the finals. You're matched up against Ryan Moore. I'm guessing not many people were probably giving you a shot heading to those finals. No, I think it was an underdog, like even in the first round, maybe the second round too. And, you know, Wingfoot's awesome course. So it was fun just to get another round each day winning the match. That's kind of how I looked at it. And then, you know, getting through the

semis, obviously, you know, as a victor that once you get there, it's kind of like, it opens up a lot of doors and getting the majors was cool. But I still feel like I had a good chance to win and play pretty well and I think Ryan Birdie three the last four yeah you had him yeah he um he had some matches he was down in early too but um it was kind of destiny for him to just wipe the table with everybody that summer so unfortunately didn't go my way and didn't um put my name on the trophy next to you but you know it's all right a lot of people strike i'll let you drink out of it yeah um did you feel like you're going up against like you said he's literally going through he's in his run of the best summer or year of amateur golf do you feel like i'm going against destiny right or i'm going

against history right now. Yeah, I mean, I think a bunch of people had him down too. Overton maybe, a couple other guys had him down and he pulled some crazy stuff out. But there was a pot on like 15. I think that we were both right next to other and I was just out. And I felt like if I had had made that, it would have closed the doors like a 15 footer and I made it, I missed and he made. And that was kind of a little. Can you believe that's been 16 years? No, I can. I mean, I feel old. I, you know, I talk to people about their kids now. I'm like, oh, what's your kid too? And they're like 12. I'm like, oh, okay. I'm definitely older than I, you know. But like you said, it opened up a lot of doors for you. You get into the masters the next year.

in 05 by finishing runner up. You finished 33rd. Time for 3030. Yeah. It's funny now living there, but it's obviously Masters is one of the best. It was fun to play well then as an amateur and I still have not been back yet. That's the kind of mini goal, especially moving back there. You drive by it a lot and you got to get back in this field, you know? So it's like it's shitty not being, you know, be part of the tournament, but that's kind of a little side goal, which is nice. Can you remember much about that week? I mean, I know you made a whole lot in the par three contest. Yeah. I mean, it was just one of those weeks as an amateur they treat you so well i remember like leading up to it i would drive down from nashville and kind of skip glass on friday it was uh you know hOD called hOD human organizational development

weren't weren't too strenuous and uh was able to pass most of my classes but uh would go down a lot in practice and i remember you know every time you know having drinks and meet some of the members and just like racking up the tab and i'm like this my dad's going to kill me like this bill's going to be two thousand dollars every you know and they charge you there was like a hundred bucks it was so cool And I just thought the way they treat the amateurs is awesome. And staying in the crows nest was great. You stay all week? I did, yeah, which is really fun.

And I think Ryan won two tournaments. There was only like three of us up there, so it wasn't too crowded. But yeah, just a special tournament, special place and the amateurs they treat. So are you one of those guys that like superstitious? Like, all right, you played it as an amateur. Now you live there. Won't go back until you get in. No, I did that for, I did that for a long time.

And I was like, screw this. Like I'm, yeah, I'm getting old. Like I had some buddies come in and they were playing like a. I got Max Frank. Yeah, we took him out to play and Nick Badell, a couple of legends. Oh, God, Badell. Yeah, that was coming off. You're allowed back?

Coming off a tail end bender at a hoopie, a new course in South Georgia, we had a good time. And, yeah, there were some shakes involved at the Natty on all of our parts. But it was a fun day. So, yeah, I mean, it's not in tournament shape, but it was, it's always fun that, you know, hallow grounds go stomp around there. First off, if Nick Badell gets a step on the ground, there's no reason why you and I have not played this place yet. They let anybody. Anybody. But you mentioned a hoopy.

Okay. I've heard that place is incredible. It's really cool. It's only a couple hours from Augusta and Michael Alrat started from. He's a long island guy. And it's, it's awesome. It's really real private or? I think it's only 50-something members and he.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think it's like all his buddies and for the most part. And it's a really cool spot. So highly highly, highly recommend. Where do you play in practice down there? In Augusta, I'm in a champions retreat, Sage Valley and Augusta Country Club. So I got a nice little goal. golf set up. How far is Sage?

Valley. It's only 20 something minutes, 25 minutes. Yeah, it's really good. I guess Zach Blair's building, of course, not too far away, like 45 minutes from, I guess, now. I couldn't couldn't swing the dirt in Utah, so he was moving it to South Carolina a little cheaper. Who's the dude? Who's your game down? Yeah, it's a random. Yeah, it's random. Henrik Norlander legend, he's a beauty, and then. Unbelievable. Yeah. Scott Perel's on the Champions tour, play a lot with him. And then we go over to Aiken, which isn't too far and lose money to Kisner and Brownie over there. They don't come over and play with us a whole lot. I got to tell a funny

Henrik Norlander story. So they, Josh Gregory left Augustus, what was Augusta State. I don't know what's it called now. Gusto University. Augusta University. Or maybe not. Left. So they didn't have a golf coach. Yeah, you live there. You probably know. But they're looking for a golf coach. They don't have one. So they call Hendrick Norlander like, hey, you live in Augusta. Would you mind being like the interim head coach for two weeks? He's like, sure, no problem. So they come to Royal Oaks to play a tournament. And it's one of those ones where they bring six instead of five. And so they're in the and I guess it was after the practitioner and Henrik just thinks they all suck, I guess. I don't know, but someone goes like, Coach, what's the format?

He goes, I don't know. I hope it's a fucking scramble. He is a beauty. Yeah, he's fun. And when he gets a few glasses of red, he's even better. So we have a good time and our wives are friendly and we enjoy our time together. That's a good little spot. You've lived in, you've been in Jupiter.

Yeah. You've been in South California. I can tell you about anywhere. Where do you like the best? Yeah, I mean, we miss a lot of California stuff. I mean, obviously not right now. but just the vibe in California is really cool. We enjoy that, a lot of the food and everything.

But I guess it's really great. We have our in-laws close, and it's awesome for family, and we enjoy being there a lot. Yeah, it's hard to do a beach photo shoes in Augusta. Yeah, not a lot of that. I want to backtrack just a second because, obviously, you were on a heater. You know, you lose the finals of the U.S. AM. You play well at Augusta.

You win the Jones Cup in 05, which for people that don't know is one of the biggest amateur tournaments. It's every other year. It's back then it was. It was. I don't know how it is now. But it was a huge when you win that. Was there ever any thought of maybe like leaving school early and turning pro?

Well, unfortunately, my coach, Prest McFault, took a job in between my junior and senior year to go to East Carolina. And that was kind of a good move for him and his family. But it loved me thinking, man, I really want to go through a new coach and change. And, you know, I'm playing well and maybe you give it a thought. But I did want that degree. You never know what can happen. I felt like it was the right move for me to stay. Maybe, you know, you could have got a few more responses invites or, you know, what your endorsements would have been better.

But ultimately, I don't think I was ready to go anyway. So it worked out fine. I mean, I had to pay my dues anyway on the mini tours. So kind of hard to say in hindsight. I thought you were a stud. I was so scared to you. You were a stud, but let's get in that. So you do finish school.

You come out and you graduate. You've had all the success as an amateur doing everything you can possibly do. Then you come out and you go through Q school twice and don't get through, I believe, your first two times. Was that a surprise? You just kind of think like, I'm going to cruise through this. I'm clean. Yeah.

I think I didn't have the right mindset going into it. I mean, I think that for back, you know, Q school was canceled this year. but I tell people now, like, if you're going to Q school, you need to be prepared to have your, like, B or C game and still get through. And I feel like I was trying to prep for, like, having everything, all eggs in the basket, have your A game. I kind of overdid it a little bit.

And then when I got there, it wasn't hitting it great. It kind of freaked me out. So that's, I think you need to be prepared to, like, not have your best stuff and still get through. And that goes through a lot of different situations. But for me, yeah, Q school is, it's daunting for a lot of guys, but it took a little bit to get the hang of it and don't want to go back. That's why I'm so.

So, it's like you said, this is the one event I got to show up for. It's easy to like over-truck. You know what I mean? I do that for any other term ever in your life. And then you're like, oh, my God, this is it. Now let's do everything. And it can backfire a lot of time. Yeah, no doubt.

And it's just dumbing it down to it's just an event and, you know, feeling like you can have, you know, not your best stuff. Yeah, on the PJ tour, it's like, okay, I played bad. It's next week. Next week. Next week. College, everything. Now it's next year. Yeah, now it's a year.

Yeah. So it's so hard about it. Yeah, but it's crazy. So you come out, you get your PJ tour card in 13. You lead the tour and driving distance at 306. I looked all this up. Oh, thank you. Nice year.

Yeah, you lost your card, but you were leading the driving distance. Now, this year, you're 313 and you're 21st. God, that's incredible. Like, how much has the game changed and just, like, in your span of your career? Yeah, it's a lot. I mean, I think that there's so many factors. I mean, I think that people are being coached better. The young guys are having better instruction from, you know, five years old

or whenever they're starting up through, you know, amateur and junior golf all the way to college. And I think that there was a handful of that when we were coming up, but it's just evolved to everyone has the right instruction. The equipment's better. The fitness is better. It's just across the board. Everyone is doing the right things from a younger age. And that attributes to just people bombing it now. Like I remember like when we were coming out, it was you, Dustin Johnson and Gary Woodland.

And it was just like, holy shit, y'all smashed it. And now it's like, if you don't hit it over 300, you might as well start a podcast. And don't do that. Yeah, don't do that people. No, get or develop humans. Yeah. Yeah, it's crazy. I mean, obviously, Bryson has kind of set the bar even higher, which is nuts because I feel like even when I'm trying to mess.

I know Tony and a couple of guys can get to 200 ball speed, but I can't even touch that anymore. I'm like, I'm too old. So I can still move it a little bit. But the, I think the next generation will be, we'll see more guys, you know, flying at 330, 340. But for you, it's like, yours is effortless. Like, to me, I mean, people that have seen you swing, like, you're not falling over out there. Like, we saw Charlie Hoffman on Instagram recently. He got to 133, which is unbelievable.

That is, yeah. He's like, but I mean, he's going all out. Yours is like just perfect. You're in perfect balance every time. Yeah, I mean, Charlie's been a lot of time in the gym. I don't want to give him too much credit. He's still ugly, but it's just, it's a matter. I mean, that's cool.

That's impressive speed. I mean, I don't know. You know, for me, it's, I don't even know if I can get that much speed. It's just a matter of mine's always timing. If I feel like I'm swinging too hard, I'm going to miss the, you know, I'm going to hit it all over the place. So I think Bryson, that's impressive that he was able to still keep it on the planet with those numbers. Do you not, as part of you not like this push for distance that everyone's getting longer? Because when you first come out, like you led the tour, you're the longest guy.

That's your biggest advantage. And now it's like, all right, now I'm kind of top tier, but I'm not the longest. I think people also talked about it. And like, you still have to get the ball in the hole. And like, you know, that's been my big struggle too. So it's nice to build hit ball far. That's a nice tool to have. Now everyone's doing it, it's great.

But I mean, eventually I think you still have to have all the shots and all the tools and be able to find it and get the ball in a hole. So, you know, for me, that's still priority. number one. I just feel like 10 years ago it was like the long guy, here's Luke list at 306 and the average guy was probably, you know, 280. Now it's like the long guy is 320 and the average guy is 305. It's like, yeah, it's everybody. Yeah. And unless they do something to rain it in, it'll just keep going, I think. I mean, I just equipment and technology are obviously better, but guys are bigger, faster, stronger athletes now. I mean, there's not, there wasn't guys back in the 80s like Gary Woodland and Dustin Johnson and you playing golf. I mean, just from our time on, you know, the average age

on tours dropped dramatically. I feel like a dinosaur now at 35 and I think the average age is probably it's got to be in the 20s. I don't know what the numbers are. It's getting younger and younger every single year. And the guys are taller, leaner, fitter. Everything's going in that direction. So it's cool. And how to like teaching. They can like they can put monitors on you in and show you how to do it all. It used to like, oh, hit it as hard as you can. Get some more lag. Find something. But now it's, yeah, exactly. Let me ask you this. If you could change. I mean, you're, you're a bomber. But if you could change one thing about how they set the golf course up, what would it be? That's a good question because I feel like I do enjoy the tougher test.

Like I like the courses that, you know, eight to 12 under wins, you know, and whether that's tighter fairways firmer. I think that generally the course setup's good, but traditionally, if you grow the roughup and have firm greens, like you're going to have, you know, higher scores. So it's just that's what they could do. There's enough potential to do that. I think you can maneuver the schedule around a little bit or not worry about the sponsors if you really wanted to make it tougher.

but guys are going to figure out a way to make birdies. There's better. I mean, you get the weather's decent. It's just like clockwork. I mean, you finish six that Bethpage at the PGA, which was, I mean, that's a lukeless setup. Yeah, I mean, there's certain courses that fit in that one, you know, driver every, you get in a rhythm where you're hitting, you know, 10 to 12 drivers instead of button hybrid or something.

But, you know, that type of golf course is, you're going to see a lot of that. But again, you know, the conditions were tough that big wind and, you know, some kind of crazy weather. So, but you can't count on that every week. Yeah. Speaking of course set up, like you spent a couple years on the corned ferry tour and things like that. Did you feel like that tour was almost hard? I want to say harder.

That's not the right way, but not set up as well for you because there's so many courses out there where a guy like you can't hit driver and you're going to be in the same place from the fair way that I am on tour. Yeah, no doubt. You can air it out more. In a sense, it's good because that tour, you got to make birdies and you got to get in the mindset of going low. And that's, that is a good mindset.

I mean, the tour has evolved where there's, there used to be a lot of courses where like Harvardtown and just certain course you have to work your way around and be able to you know, par is good, middle of green, and just kind of make a couple of birdies here and there and, like, shooting 69 goes a long way where, yeah, that still does exist a little bit, but I think now that the game has changed where you really have to have a little bit of corned fairy mentality of firing it and being aggressive

and knowing when to, you know, almost play conservatively a little bit instead of always, you know, laying up. I feel like since the tour returned after the COVID break, I mean, you have to go balls to balls. Yeah, it's crazy. They had no win. Right. I mean, you saw the difference at Harbor Town.

You finished third there before. But the difference in playing there in June versus April was just a joke. How much different it was. I mean, obviously a little bit of softer greens, and those greens are usually far made a big difference, and there wasn't much when. But, you know, you can't control the weather. I guess the setup could be a little tweaked here there to make it a little tougher.

I just feel like hitting the ball straight is such a skill. Like, I'm not saying you should hit it 260 off the tee. Obviously, it's easier to hit straight there. But you should get rewarded if you hit it far and straight. But if you try to push it up there, I think you should get punished a little bit. Yeah. So I've thought of that. this idea of growing the rough, it gets deeper,

the closer you get to the green. Progressive rough, but just further out. Not width, let's go further off. So if you want to ship it up there at 3.20 and you miss the fairway, you're going to get punished. But if you hit the fairway, you're rewarded. But if you want to lay back to 260, obviously, then it's harder because you're from the green.

But it's obviously the rough isn't as penalizing and the fairway's low-wide. Yeah. I mean, that sets up ideal for you. Yeah, Colts is just building his own. I get it. It's kind of a nice idea. Oh, I like it. 380 yards.

Yeah. So I can hit lob wedge into every hole. Long we're up at 300 to the green. You think part of it is not just players are getting better, but also just the mentality. Like we had Sean O'Hare in here, and he kind of talked about this because he's been out there for a long time. He talks about a lot of things. Yeah, a lot of weird shit, actually. I've listened to that.

That's the hardest I laughed. Yeah. I was actually driving to a tournament, and I was listening to her, and I had my earbuds in. I was driving, which my wife's like, that's not safe. I'm like, that's fine, you know. And then a little one fell asleep in the back. And I was crying laughing. I almost woke her up.

She's hitting me. I was laughing so hard. I could believe he told it. So good. I actually talked to him like two nights ago. We had him on a radio show a few days ago. I was talking to him on the phone. He's like,

it's not all the time, but he's like some of these tournaments now I go out to. He's like, people be like, watch out for the shower. Yeah. He's like, dude, I had no idea that this thing would. No, I was literally like looking forward

to registering just so I could like find him and like dude, that was incredible. It was so good. What the hell was I asked? I don't even remember. Do you think part of it is like just got like the minds? Like obviously I think the players are better. They're younger.

I think the skill is just getting better as a whole in the game of golf. But some of it just the mentality of like there used to be like, oh, 25 feet right of the whole here is a good shot. And now guys are just like forget that right out at it every time. Just like that mentality, I mean, like you felt like you had to go to college and then graduate and then go to the mini tours. And that doesn't exist anymore. It's all like these guys are ready to win in, you know, at 18 to 22, like that range, they're just ready to go. And they're weathered and their swings are good and they're ready to make a bunch of birdies. It is impressive.

There's no learning curve anymore. I don't think so. I'm a good college player. Now I'm a good tour. Yeah, well, I mean, the golf club and the golf ball are the same and the hole is the same size. So they just go for it. I mean, it's, it's impressive.

I mean, it's so hard to do that. It's easy to say, like, you came out your rookie year. You had a rough rookie year, your first year out there. And obviously, it wasn't a skill thing or a talent thing. You were an unbelievable player. What was it your first year as a rookie that was like this? Yeah, I mean, it can be a bunch of different things. I mean, knowing the golf courses, you started getting a little stretch of losing some confidence

on hitting some shots or hanging out with Colt too much. I mean, it just depends on, you know, the different variables. It's not the first time someone's blaming. But, no, but that going back, it almost was like, okay, really, what do you want to do? Do you want to do to take this seriously and really full encompassing the full circle? Like, do it, check all the boxes the right way and make this, you know, career. And that was kind of a gut check to do that. And it worked out well.

Yeah. It's, I mean, it's very easy to get out on the PGA tour and get distracted. I don't think people realize, like, you get out there. There's hundreds of thousands of people. Yeah. There might be some parties at night that you have. All this stuff on the range. You just want to be there and soak it up.

Yeah, I mean, there's a million different things. I mean, if you're, you know, I listen to Abe's podcast with you guys and just talking about tinkering with clubs. I'm like, that's a big distraction too. Like, what got you there is probably going to play your best with. So that was a little, I was going through some equipment stuff that brook a year and that was kind of pain the ass. But, you know, again, no excuses.

I mean, always play better. I tell, I tell all the young kids coming up there. If they ask for any kind of advice, I'm like, well, when they go to cold. Yeah, when they go. Well, first off, played out there just only eight more years than you did, but no big deals. Oh, there it is. Oh, we hit the under. We hit the under.

But I tell them to learn to say no, because every equipment rep is going to come up. Because first off, they get paid by how many shafts, they get put in play, how many grips, whatever it is. Try this, try that. Listen, if you're happy with your stuff, just say no. Yep. I mean, the tour also has evolved that way, too. I feel like that in your time and you've seen that, the guys were hanging out and there was more camaraderie. And, like, it's not.

I don't feel like it's like. I mean, the guys will still stay together now with the houses and the COVID stuff that they're a little more isolated. but for the most part it's you're in your little pod your team your trainer your chef you're whatever um and you're there's no having to say they're just that's they're all in every week and it just seems like that that's kind of it is but they're making millions yeah i mean i get it the money's money's a lot but still it's it's fun to hang out and i agree i mean there that that exists i think with more of the older generation that's out there and um and stuff but i i see most of the young guys kind of doing their robotic stuff and that's that works i mean that that'll keep you in the

and hopefully we'll see that longevity in that. I feel like it's more of like a business. Not that it always hasn't been a business, but it's more of everyone's got their team. And this is what I do. And it's more like me, I'm wearing about my stuff, which is totally fine,

but there's less like, you hear the story of some of the older guys, like McCord and stuff that's been in here. It's like, dude, there's none of that. Those are the cards after the rounds and the drink and that's like, it's gone. It's gone.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it sounds all enticing, but I think the new, you know, generation, if you want to stay healthy and play, I mean, guys are doing that,

you know, until Phil and those guys playing in their 50s, stricker. And it's really impressive that they've had those careers and still can play against the young guys, but they're doing the same thing. I would say, like, in people that know you very well, that you played a lot of golf with you, even members of the media that have seen you play, they're probably surprised you haven't broke through in one yet. How much does that eat at you? Yeah, it does.

I mean, it's more for me, it does to a degree. I mean, I think it did a little, like a few years ago, but now it's like, I've got so much good going for me, you know, wife, beautiful little girls. like it's all awesome stuff than everything else just happens is a plus so yeah obviously i want to win i want to a lot would love to win a major like all that stuff but if it doesn't it's not going to be in the world you know and i feel like for me it's more like these mini goals of like trying to get better and trying to improve and like even though i've been struggling of late i'm like man i'm actually enjoying working at it which is kind of cool and that's how i know that i'm still doing the right

things if you enjoy working at it when you're struggling then you're doing all right what's the number one thing you need to improve i think it's just getting the right mind frame of like being consistent with my putting and like knowing that I'm doing on the right track and like working on it. And then instead of like having a bad putting way you can feel like I got to change a putter or feeling like I've got to tweak something here or there. And I think that that when I'm playing my best, I feel like I'm just consistent with my routine, consistent with my mindset. And that can vary easily for me because I've usually hit it pretty well. I'm like if I'm not, you know, scoring, it's usually the putter. So for me, if I can, you know, stay consistent.

That's kind of my goal with that. Yeah, your swing's pretty ugly. You should probably work on it. Yeah. I work on tempo and length more than anything. That's been a lot of time on both those. You had an interview after a 2018 Honda, the playoff loss to Justin Thomas, where in your post game, you said, I have a renewed passion for the game.

And you feel like you are, you know, you kind of, that inner fire was like relit or whatever. Is that, is that when you play golf for as long as you have, is that the hardest thing to do? It's like the kind of like to stay excited about playing golf and playing on tour. I mean, that's the biggest feat, like the guys that have, you know, obviously like Tiger that is the exception, right? he's the bar but like how he's been able to push himself after winning so much it just blows my mind

that's so much like inner strength to be able to do that and middle of fortitude to to keep going i mean he's achieved everything there is and he still was out there grinding like that's so cool so it's a little little probably a little tougher for that situation but for me like yeah i haven't done all this stuff so i want to strive to keep going for that for that stuff but um yeah but the same thing with any i think people forget because it's bj tour right most people look at that like the the dream job, but it's like, at the end of the day, it's still a job. And if you do something for 20 plus years every single day, like, it's easy to just kind of become lethargic with it. It can be. And yeah, I've gone through that. I mean, everything is kind of maximizing your

opportunities and also, you know, maximizing your time management too. And I think that that's always been my struggles for different reasons. And I think that now it's like, yeah, you want to be good father, good husband, like good, you know, good at playing golf and good at doing all that and like training the right way. But it's still finding out like the balance. of all that. And that's, that can be tough, especially with, with our lifestyles. I think with the PJ tour, too, is you have, unless you win, you have to earn that job every single year. Yeah. It's like, oh, great. You finished 40th on the FedEx. You had a great year. You made a great year. Guess what? Now you get to start over and go ahead. Now we're starting to

zero. Yeah, exactly. Was that different for you this year being there like with COVID and all that stuff? There was the first year like, all right, no matter what, I'm, I ain't losing my card. I'm playing to get negative. Did that change? Yes. No, I mean, I don't think so. Because I was in a, um, in a decent category. I had my car, full card. But like, I didn't getting colonial and like I wasn't in some of the invitational so it was kind of like that sucks like I want to be back where I'm getting in you know where the level a couple years prior was in a couple majors and like in all the invitational and that's where you want to be you want to be in that echelon where you can set your schedule and do all that so that's kind of the goal to get back to that

where you're you know optimizing your starts what do you think you see all the free money yeah yeah those are nice too yeah free money's good thing four-day no cut is yeah yeah I'll show up yeah you got me yeah say golf didn't work out what do you think Luke list would be doing I don't No, I've thought about that because I've heard you ask a bunch of guys that. And, you know, I've had, I've, I've really asked myself that twice when I've, like, there was one time in 2014, I'd lost my car and I was like, God, I'm like, literally thought I was going to, like, want to quit. And like, but I was like, I know what else I do.

Yeah. So I think I could probably do something in sales or do something kind of BSE, but I don't know. I mean, hopefully I don't come to that. I've got some, I kind of float around some ideas business wise, like trying to make Augusta, our community I live in now a little bit better. So I've got a buddy that we're always popping ideas off. and we'll see how that goes maybe playing good golf yes exactly you can always drive

uber yeah we've had some guys audible in uber it's worked out pretty well oh geez some shady character i want to ask you this because i'm not sure if you still do this but i found this very interesting you used to have names on all your clubs on all your irons you had it stamped on there and there were different names and acronyms for each club are you still doing that i haven't done that in a long time um that that really got out of control um yeah man i forgot about the nameing all the clubs that hasn't popped up. I read somewhere that your foreiron was named FS. Do you remember what that stands for? I think that was fat shit. Fat shit for the four. Yeah. I used to chunk it all the time. Like I'd have the perfect number, you know, par five or a long part three. And like I wouldn't chunk any

other club. It's just the four iron. I just so fat shit. My whole bag would be F S. Yeah. I know. Right. Like you thin it sometimes. I think it would purposely try to thin the four iron after. Oh, that's good. I wish you remember some of the other ones. I like that idea though. Name everything. club. Do you just tell your caddy, like, I give me the F.S. Is it a full F.S? Or a half-office? I think I tried to get them to like take the numbers off, but they didn't at the time. I mean, other companies probably would, but that would have been great. Yeah. That was hilarious. Hided on part three's too. Nobody knows. Hold on. You're, what are you in, you're in, town working with Jamie Mogan. Oh, yeah, yeah, doing a little club testing. Working Jamie, my

coaches, California. He's here. We're just in a little practice. And, yeah, just enjoying some good weather. What's the, so Jamie Morgan is a very famous cult. So many guys have gone to him across all different tours. What is it about Jamie that makes so many guys? guys want to go to him um for me when he broke it down like there was obviously some swing issues but i think it was full encompassing everything like we first started working together um we wouldn't even hit golf ball sometimes we just talk and like he just had such a knowledge of the game that way and that was really cool to have someone who first doesn't look like a golf coach he you know dresses like a little surf beach bum and he's you know you're talking to him and you think you're just you know hanging out with some bro at the bar

and callie so yeah we got along that that way pretty well and he um his knowledge of of the game and his stories are great. I've heard all of his stories 10 hundred times. So it's a little repetitive. But he's done a lot for me. And obviously the swing stuff's been very helpful. I met him when we were in Vegas when we went up there and we saw you. We went to dinner with you that night. And he was like, hey, Jamie, nice to meet you. I was like, hey, Jamie. Good to see. You know, kept moving or whatever. And I was like, oh, that's Jim. I was like, I had no idea. Yeah. I had no state to recognize anybody. But I was like, I had no idea that was a guy. I would have just sat and talk to him because he's so well known. And so, I think, yeah,

so highly he's done so much any i think a lot of his guys were from you know small-aged you know whether junior golfers or even before then so he he's kind of molded those guys patrick can't like obviously one of them has had a lot of success so it's cool to see okay yeah he's got he'll be okay his nickname is shelton so some good names yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah i know that guy but i don't watch it. Idiot. Yeah.

I don't know. Who knows? I don't have one for him, but. We got Seagull, Charlie Hoffman. Yeah. That's one of the best. That's one of the best. I don't know if there's a better fitting name.

Well, do you remember when we were, we staying out much? I called you Celo for a while. You called me Kesha. Because you're like, yeah, you're good looking, but not from up close or from far away. We used to have some interesting times. Sealow. What did that go from Ciloh green? Yeah.

I think white white, white, white, white, silo. Yeah. So it's cool. I ran in about the. airport one time and he is legitimately this is I was like this is him cats on the head and all this great voice though yeah he can go yeah he's got some I get it all right you've seen our show now we're gonna get into the emergency nine fun ones so but you got to put your thinking cap on okay first one down all right

yeah yeah yeah have a beer pretty soon we'll put you to bed all right number one movie about the life of Luke list who plays you in a movie any actor you know on a good day I've I've gotten Ryan Reynolds that's aggressive but I'll I'll take that take that one yeah i watched uh ford and ferrari on the plane this morning so i'll go with my way great movie really good watch that really underrated watch that recently as well uh so matt damon if not ryan reynolds i have matt damon oh wow nice i think very highly of yourself yeah well i mean modesty well sorry i mean if you have a movie playing yourself i'm not going to say denzel like of course dude yeah absolutely i had you for john krasinski okay yeah thank you very likable

yeah kind of got shredded shredded recently that's a little yeah what's that uh what's that show he's got out on recently some jack ryan yeah yeah he's the new guy went from a jim alpert office dude to save the world every episode that's a good one yeah all right maybe i'll take either either of those all right this one oh this is my like serious one all right if you could have one mulligan in your career where do you take it oh who's the first time we met i'm just walked the other way think about all the good times we had one mulligan in my career golf just golf golf-wise yeah golf shot you can have over I would have stayed with my clubs that I played in 2012 and not changed in 2013 my rookie year I would have the clubs that got me

there yeah we do a lot of talking about that yeah on this that's probably my one mulligan yeah I think you wouldn't be the only guy yeah yeah some big and I haven't done it since so that's that was a good lesson learned a hard way but yeah yeah yeah we talked about this recently with John Rom changing from Taylor made to Callaway aggressive yeah his is I guess that paycheck was a little aggressive too yeah He's pretty good. He'll figure it out. But yeah, it is.

If people do to that, I say get in the contract that you have, you know, 14 clubs is a lot. But just if you have, we'll go to get the timing, make sure you have enough time to do all that. Yeah, agree. All right. Number three, best prank you have done to anyone on the PJ tour or best prank that has been done to you on the PJ tour. Oh, man, that's a good one. Best prank. I've got one I did to you.

I don't know if you remember. I'll let you tell that. The best prank I've ever seen is poor little Gavin Coles. They used to abuse that little guy. He was such a funny little Australian guy. And they just like, I feel like there was a stretch where they, there was this toilet in this, in Wichita or somewhere we played.

And it was like an inch off the ground. I'm like, Gavin's toilet, you know? And then there was this little like miniature bird house and the Gavin's house. They just used to like always like leave notes for Gavin's like little tiny little miniature stuff. So that was, I always thought that was really pretty fun.

Tripp Eisenhower went and got one of those cars. at the little kids drive around. It's like the mini Mercedes and parked it in his spot at the park place one year. His wife got so mad. It was great. But mine was at the Greenbrier with you,

the one I did to you, me and you were kind of going back and forth a little bit. And we were playing around the same time and I decided to call room service. And it's like, hey, this is Luke. Our rooms are right across the hall from each other. Okay. I was like, hey, this is Luke List.

I'm finishing up. I know it's going to be busy. I just want to go ahead and order like two pizzas, a bottle of wine, Caesar salad and a dessert. Oh my God. And he gets back and I can hear outside because Greenbrier's old.

You can hear everything outside that here. I got your room service. He's like, I didn't order that. I'll take it. I'll take it. I'd have to pay for it. That was good. You're late.

It's always fun of mess with you. I'm not paying for it. I'm not paying for it. My cookie. Yeah. All right. Next one. Yes.

Your wife, who's a bit of an actress, right? If she were to land the leading role as the love interest of Leonardo DiCaprio, would you be excited or terrified? Um, I think most of, you know, she's 30 now. So I think she's a little outside the age range of most of his. That's a good answer. I think I'd be alright with it. I mean, she's beautiful.

I'm very lucky, but I think that he goes for a little younger. I was a 25-year-old. Yeah, yeah, she's in her prime time. I mean, yeah, that's a little worrisome. And I mean, I would still worry now, but. That's a good answer. Yeah, she's about 10 years. She's in a movie, Leo, though.

I take that paycheck right now. I was going to say, you might not have to do nothing ever again. Yeah, exactly. All right, next question. Obviously, in the rules of golf, you're allowed to play with only 14 clubs. What's the fewest? you have finished around with. Can be on tour or off tour.

Probably a teed off. Travis Matthew, we had like a fun tournament and I had a rental set and I broke the driver and went and paid the pro and then didn't play anymore, I don't think. So there's one shot with that.

I heard it was a Nike Sasquatch. Yeah. But I think, I think the, I don't think I've ever broken two clubs and around. The funniest one I've ever had was at quail.

I was playing bad. It was on Sunday, and I just was like kind of back of the pack, and I twirled a club into the lake on, I had an awesome drive, like a bomb, and I had a five iron into the par five, 15, which is silly. Most guys are in, you know, hybrids or whatever, and I'm short-sighted myself with a five-iron,

just tomahawked it over the group and into the lake. Over the group? Well, the rest of my group was like over the left, and I just threw it over their heads, and everybody's laughing. I'm like, keep laughing. And we get to 17, and I'm like, It's a perfect five to my caddy.

Yep. So he's like, you want to hit a four or six? I'm like, well, six is going into the soup. I've got a feather of four. Hit that in the soup, too. F-FS show back out. Yeah, yeah. So that was not my finest moment, but I've never broken more than one.

It's amazing if you do break one, how you need it later on. Yeah, it's obviously karma and it bit me hard. God, I can't remember. You can't get through it around breaking one and not being like, well, this is never a very garbage from my eight, which I threw in the lake. I was playing with somebody. And he had an Australian caddy. I can't remember who it was.

and got up there and he's like, well, it's a perfect date, but you fucking broke it back. Yeah. It's undefeated. Yes. Every time. That rule. All right. Next question.

Bigger heartthrob on the Vanderbiltzzi while you were there. You or Jay Cutler? Yeah, I'd say Jay Cutler. I mean, obviously he had, I feel like he had like a close up. He had like an escalate or something and he used to just kind of ride around and, you know, listen to his gangster music and just pull up. And I feel like a girl would just hop in his car. So I didn't have that.

Yeah. But he obviously had a good career. And I think football is a little sexier than golf. He was blasting some rapper. Oh, yeah. He's a big. Country dude now on that on his reality shows. Oh, is he now?

He's out in the woods. He likes chickens. He's got it on all covered. Yeah. He's like a flock of chickens. Good for him. Yeah. Interesting guy.

Yeah. Were you guys buddies at all? Didn't know him a whole lot. He was friends with a couple of older guys and, yeah, nothing good, bad to say about him. It's kind of, yeah. All right. All right. Next question. We're going to do a little word association. First thing that pops into your head when I say this word. Okay. Gravy.

You? Slees. Also you. Popcorn. Movies. Very disappointing. You got that one wrong. You had the first two right. Okay. I want you to think back to the Corn Fairy Tour. We're in San Francisco and there might have been...

There you go. Please tell the story. Oh, he's... I wish he was here to tell that story. He is so good. every time I see him now, your old beauty caddy, he's a legend. You tell better. I'll give you the honor.

It just came to me as I was coming here, actually, about this, but I remember there was something, you were walking down the street in San Francisco, and there was these two bums about to fight. Yep. And I believe, like, everyone was kind of just walking around it,

and these two cops came up and, like, just noncholately like, not today, popcorn. So they all knew this bum. Must have been a big fighter. Well, he'd been arrested a couple times, the guy had said, And I was just crying.

I mean, the one who had been peeing, and he stopped peeing and he tackled the other guy. And then not today, popcorn came out of nowhere. The cop came out of the side. And so, yeah, it's. The guy that caddies for Andrew Putnam now, Brandon, who caddies up in the rock and always, he was, I think he was maybe caddying for you at the time. Yes, yes. And so I always call him, we'd call each other popcorn out. Yep.

Not today. No more pissing and fighting popcorn. Yeah. God, what a legend. That's weird. That's a real name. San Francisco. You, that's a mess right now.

If you would have picked up on popcorn when I said that would have been very best. Yeah, popcorn's a broad one. That's a throwback story, but that's a hell of a story. All right. Next one. Hypothetically speaking, if you were to attend, say, a Charlie Hoffman charity event in San Diego and say hypothetically, two tickets for a Justin Bieber concert were up for sale in San Diego. And hypothetically, you were also living in Jupiter at the time.

How much would you bid on those hypothetical tickets? Well, it seemed reasonable at the time to potentially, you know, it wasn't like a massive fan, But, I mean, it would have been fun to, you know, go. But I don't even think I knew where the concert was when I first initially bid or that my friends, quote unquote, friends would bid up the ante a little bit. But it was a great cause to give my money to Charlie's people and not go to the concert. What happened to? Because you're in Jupiter.

I feel like it was. I was in San Diego. I think it was like Vegas or something. And either way, I didn't go to the concert. And I don't know. Whatever. Charlie Bright took those front row. Guarantee.

Bebs. Game to the girls. Awesome. Well, Luke this has been an absolute blast man. Thank you so much for coming. Thank you, boys. Thanks for the time. Appreciate it.

Kill them this year. Thanks. And that was Luke List on golf subparts. Like we said, a little more serious golf talk. Coming off the Mike Commodore episode, kind of hard to back up. That's a tough one. That's coming on stage after Chappelle goes on. I'm like, nah, dude, you go.

I don't want to be the one after that guy. So that's a tough spot for him to be in. But Luke, such a good guy. And he's one of those guys I look at in his golf career. When you watch him play golf, it's like there's so much talent there. I just think when all the, things kind of get figured out and all come together at once. There's just too much game there to not, you know, peel off a couple wins in his PJ tour career. I thought it was cool to listen to like

when he first comes out on the PJ tour in 2013. He leads the tour in driving distance at like 306. Now he's averaging like 12 yards further and he's like 21st in driving distance. It's just crazy how much the game's evolved. And here's a guy, like you said, so naturally talented. It's a joke. If you've ever seen him swing the golf club, I mean, it just looks effortless and he just absolutely smashes it. And I would say, I mean, he's a good buddy of mine, but I would still say probably to his face. He's underachieved in his career. Well, talent-wise, yeah, when you look at what he can do, I remember playing with him in college in an amateur golf, and he was one of those, like you said, it's effortless.

Just watching me, I was like, oh, my God, like, why can't I hit it? It doesn't even look like he's trying. He's just one of those guys that jumped out like a, like a DJ or J.B. Holmes or some of these guys that, you know, were the long, there was a handful when you and I were playing. He was one of them. And watching him play, it's like, God, as soon as this guy figures everything out, like, it's a problem for everybody else. But now there's 50 guys hitting it like that. Yeah, but, I mean, he's still got a lot of time left in his career. surprised if he he knocks off a victory pretty soon but thanks to him for sitting down with us

lees tell him that's going to do it for 2020 with golf subpar but coming up in 2021 our debut episode we've got the man himself big beautiful harry higgs rookie on the pGA tour last year started to make a little name for himself had a great rookie season but he's more known for kind of his look out on the golf yeah he's more known for he played a great had a great year of golf last year especially as a rookie, but more known for kind of his overall appearance, the way he likes to slide those buttons down and show a little man cleavage out there. So he will be in the building. Definitely a fan favorite. There's been no fans out there right now, but he is, if you check Twitter and all that type of stuff, he's one of the guys that everyone seems to want more of.

So we're going to have big, beautiful in the building this coming week, and I'm excited for it. It's going to be awesome. I cannot, I cannot wait. And you're going to have to deal with two SMU Mustang. I know. This is going to be disastrous. I don't know. I might check. I'm calling sick that day. We'll try to limit the SMU stories. Now, we'll tee him up for whatever the hell he wants to talk about. I cannot wait. Make sure his cup is full the whole time and we'll get into it. I cannot wait. But thank you all for a great 2020. This has been an absolute blast for us. We'll see you in 2021 on Golf Subpar.