Subpar - Mardy Fish Interview: Behind the scenes of his Netflix documentary, his favorite pairings at celebrity events

Episode Date: November 2, 2021

On this week's episode of GOLF's Subpar, former professional tennis player Mardy Fish joins former PGA Tour pro Colt Knost and jicky jack legend Drew Stoltz for an exclusive interview. The captain of the United States Davis Cup team talks competing against the greatest generation of tennis players, how his Netflix documentary, Untold: Breaking Point, came about, and who he looks forward to being paired with at celebrity events.

Hello world, welcome back to golf subpar with Colt Nost and Drew Stoltz. As you can see, you cannot hear. We are in different places, Sleeze. I'm just slightly down the road in a little place called Dubai covering the Asian Pacific Amateur this week. It's a little hop-skipping a jump over there, about 13 hours time difference. Good to see it. Glad to see you made it. Just a little quick flight over there. How long in total travel from Scottsdale to Dubai?

Well, total, if you count my flight from Phoenix to L.A. and then the layover and everything. It was about 20 hours. Solid. Yeah, pretty nice little day. Nice little way to spend a day. But I tell you what, I flew Emirates from L.A.X, straight into Dubai, 15 hours. Never flown emirits before.

It is incredible. I highly recommend it if you ever have to go anywhere international. Had a full lay-down bed, nice little cubbyhole. And in the back of business class, there's actually a lounge. It's got a full bar, bartender, a couple couches. You just sit back there and chill and talk and tell stories. It's incredible. It felt like you were in your living room at 35,000 feet.

Just a little club in the back of the plane? Yeah, it's not the worst case scenario. So you did have one of those little pods where you're all like quarantined off from everybody. You could just do whatever you want. Yeah, I had a little cubbyhole in business. In first class, you got like your whole room. First class is a chair, an actual bed, and then you have access to a shower as well. It's like a hotel.

Yeah. Flying hotel. Yeah. That's pretty nice. I can't complain. What's the vibe like over? Dubai. Obviously, I've never been, I don't think hardly anyone's ever been. What's the scene like over there? It's like a little Vegas, right? They got the strip with all the hotels and stuff.

Oh, this place is enormous. The skyline is just gorgeous. In the golf course, you know, it's really, the golf course is really open and the skyline kind of frames the whole place. It's beautiful. Got here on Saturday night. Place was going pretty good. Went to a couple different places, checked them out. Sunday is actually the first day of the week here in Dubai. It's actually a work day. So Sunday, even though it was Halloween, was pretty quiet. So I'm looking to get amongst it later on in the week. We'll see. Sunday was a little quiet, though, but it is hot here.

This is the cold time of year here, is what I've been told. But it's about 90 degrees, rather humid. Got out onto the golf course yesterday. Saw some of the kids. We got eight of the top. It's Asian Pacific Amateur. So obviously, you know, all the Americans and everything are not here. But you got eight of the top 100, including the number one ranked Amateur on the

world, Nakajima, who is just an absolute stud. There's a kid here that has won this Asian Pacific Amateur twice named Yushin Lin, plays at Florida for J.C. Deacon. J.C. refers to him as the Prince of China. He's a little high maintenance, apparently. JC coaching him up. He was probably terrible before J.C. got his hands on him. Now he's the world's best.

I mean, he's won this tournament twice, played in the Masters twice, played in the Open Championship, followed him around a little bit. The kid absolutely flushes it. All these kids flush it. And I would imagine probably because they dial their game in with Rapsoto, wouldn't you think? Well, 100%. I don't know any other way to do it unless you've got 25 racks laying around. You want to just dump on it?

I mean, it is such a cool little machine. $500. Every bit as accurate as those expensive ones. You can record your swing on it. It gives unbelievable numbers. I dialed in my wedges with it all week before I came to Dubai because there is a lighted par three course. We might be stepping out on two later this week. So I've got to have those wedges dialed and I did it with Rapsoto.

Of course, dude. You get up to, you get an accuracy within 2% of one of these trackmen, something that's going to cost you 20,000 plus. Store your swings in your app. You can review your data, check on your thing, check on your swing speed. Are you going up? Are you going down or whatever? I actually went out in the backyard this weekend, Colt. Didn't make my way to an actual golf course, but went out to the backyard. Fired a few into the net. And I'm getting, I think this is, it's comeback season for the sleeves. Now that I got Rapsoto, I can dial in my digits. And the way next time I get out on the track, nothing can stop me. Yep, you can use it indoors outdoors. Our good friend Mark Blackburn, PGA National Teacher of the Year, uses it. So obviously it's a great product. And you mentioned, you know, you're getting dialed in.

This is your time of year. Myacoba. Your PGA Tourist. I know, dude, it's right around. Don't think that hasn't crossed my mind that a Monday qualifier is not out of the realm of possibility for the sleeves. The people need me down there, dude. They embraced me my one year down there. My 36 holes that I was there, I really felt like one of their own.

And it just, it's hard to watch it on television. It's just so bittersweet. If you would have had your Rapsoto, you would have definitely been around for the weekend. But make sure you go to Rapsoto.com slash subpar and use code subpar at checkout for $75 off. I mean, how good is that? $75. This thing is really, really good. Like I said, unless you're a tour pro and you need a trackman everywhere you go, get one of these.

It gives you all the data you need. And it's like traveling with a trackman, but all you need your phone. It's really good. I love it. I love it. Well, Sleez, you know, I miss you. I'm a long ways away from you. I'll be back next week.

just got to make it through this Asian Pacific amateur. I'm a little nervous with some of the pronunciations of these names. I've met a lot of the kids. I was like, okay, I need to know exactly how to say your name. There is one that I'm borderline terrified of. And I got to scroll through my phone. Give it to us right here. Do I want to hear it?

Practice right now. Get a practice run in. Well, his first name is Puyett. Okay, he plays at San Diego State. And his last name, oh, they didn't even type it on here. I got to find it. Actually, let me dig this out because you've got to hear this last name.

It is absolutely. You're going to look like, you know when they pan to like NFL games and you see the O coordinator, the head coach, and they have the big like laminated printout with all the plays and the sets and stuff? That's going to,

you're going to need one of those walking around this week. Make sure you don't. His last name is so. His last name is so long, it doesn't even fit on the sheet. You just need a nickname. You say it one time and then you give him a nickname and then you just call him the nickname the rest of the time.

What's his name, Pewitt? Pewitt. Anapons Susi. He's from Thailand. He's the 43rd ranked amateur in the world. Actually, I felt bad for him. His clubs, he was coming. He plays in San Diego State, flew through San Francisco.

His clubs didn't show up. Nice. So he's clubs. He calls the airlines and they're like, is it a black bag with a big SD on the side? And he's like, yeah, he goes, yeah, it's sitting here in San Francisco. He's like, well, can you get it over to buy pretty quick? I got to play this tournament where I can possibly get in the master's. Yeah, can you put it on the little three-hour arrival?

That's a nice deal. Fly across the planet and don't have your sticks show up. Also, you this week, not only, the pronunciations are going to be tough. You're going to have to work on that, tighten that up a little bit. But also, watching the best amateurs in the world are going to make you feel really shitty about yourself because of how good these kids are now. But this is such a cool event because there's 30 countries represented, I believe, but they're aged from 15 to 63 years old.

So there's some that's not going to make me feel too bad. great story for you okay so sitting down at the bar last night you get a text from jeff quinny coaching at organ now he goes hey one of our players is there playing his name's yuki go say hi he's a little short guy he's great he bombs it i'm like okay perfect i'm walking around the golf course today i head to the range first person i see i see this organ duck back i'm like wow there that's got to be him so matt rollins the tylus rips there uh i was like i got to say hi to that guy quinny quentin cooches him he goes oh yuki he's he's he's he's he's he's he's He's basically the Asian version of you.

He goes, he gets amongst it. And I'm like, I got to go meet this guy. So I go over and talk to him. And I was like, how's it going with Coach Quinney? He goes, oh, I love Coach Quinney. He tells us stories about getting drunk with John Daly and then ask me what Japanese beers and sake I should drink. I was like, God.

He's a perfect role model. Yeah. He's molding the youth, Quinney. Coach Jeff. I'm very excited for Coach Jeff. I'm also a little terrified of what he must. actually be teaching the youth. The fact that he is molding them is something I thought I'd never see before.

But that's good. Yuki's over there. Yuki, the version of you except he hits rockets, apparently. He does smash it. But I love it. Hey, Yuki, go hit some wedges. And by the way, which Japanese beer is your favorite? Yeah, that's all you need.

What else? Yeah, normal coaching stuff, dude. Normal coaching stuff. All right. Well, let's get into. It's going to be a fun week for you over there. Hey, by the way, the golf recap, they play the Butterfield. this week down in Bermuda.

Lucas Herbert, just like we said, the guy we talked about all last week, so this is Lucas or it's nobody at the Butterfield. He won. Of course, it was Lucas. Australian veteran of the Asian Pacific Amateur, actually has played in this tournament. Nice.

Yeah, that obviously came out of nowhere. Like you said, I'm 11 hours ahead of Scottsdale time. I didn't know what was going on. I saw they went early. We were sitting at dinner last night. I was like, I wonder who's winning. Pulled it up and it was over. And some of the guys I was with are from Australia

and they went nuts. I loved it. I was like, all right, cool. Yeah, they went early, then they actually had a delay in the middle of the round because the wind got going to like 40 and it was raining sideways, so they delayed him a little bit. But he ended up winning full disclosure. I'm sure you don't know much about him. I don't know a whole lot about him. I've never really heard him speak before.

Watching his interviews before he won the tournament and afterwards, I'm in on this guy. All the Australians, dude, are awesome. I have yet to meet an Australian that I'm not like, that guy's sweet. Great, dude. He was actually, I believe, the first one to ever get a penalty when they stopped allowing caddies to line up. I believe it was here in Dubai. He had like a five-footer down the hill. Oh, that was him?

His caddy got behind him. Caddy went away. He backed out, went back in, and they ended up stroking him, and I believe he lost the tournament by a shot. He was the first one to get penalized. He was a sacrificial lamb. Like, we got to do it to somebody, but we can't do it to one of the – Yeah, all right.

And he's won in Dubai, too, so he knows that terrain. Maybe holler at Lucas. He could coach these kids up a bit. No doubt about it. Well, let's get to our guest this week, because this is a fun one. A guy who's had an unbelievable story. just had an incredible documentary come out on Netflix called Breaking Point. Marty Fish joins us.

Hell of a golfer, obviously an unbelievable tennis player, but what a story he has. Yeah, dude, that documentary, I didn't know the whole, like, you know, start from the beginning and how he got to where he got to, and then what he went through, and then the comeback and all that. It's my favorite, this untold series of these documentaries that they're doing on Netflix are awesome. This is my favorite one so far, and to talk to him. He actually, Colt, when I was running around Canada playing up there, Marty would, would, pop in and he wasn't playing like a full season but he was playing like a decent amount of events up there and I was like oh that's marty fish the tennis player and he posted some like you know for professional

athlete from another sport I was like damn I didn't know him at the time I was like damn that's pretty like respectable scores there for a guy that you know left the top of the world of tennis and just decided to play some golf well last year when he won the american century he shot 63 one round I mean so he can yeah it's like he can legit go and he was shooting like some you know low 70s in like some conditions with wind and stuff it wasn't you know kind of country club stuff. I was impressed with him at the time. He can obviously go, but his documentary is cool. It's the full spectrum of what it's like to be one of the top guys in the world at your sport. All right. Well, let's get to it. Here's Marty Fish on Golf Subpar.

All right. Our next guest racked up six singles and eight doubles titles as a professional tennis player, getting as high as number seven in the world rankings. He's the captain of the U.S. Davis Cup team. And when he's got a little free time on his hands, he goes to Tahoe or the Diamond Resorts and just smacks celebrities around on the golf course. Marty Fish. Thanks for the time, brother. I appreciate that. Thanks for the intro. That's a nice intro there.

He wrote that. I had nothing to do with that, Marty. You know I wouldn't be that nice. I'm not sure about that smacking around when the last tournament I finished, I think, seventh or so. So that's not the definition of that. Yeah, we've been to the truth here in some intros, but I feel like that wasn't too far-fetched there. You've had a hell of a run on the celebrity circuit.

Thank you. It's a bunch of defensive tackles. And yeah, a bunch of athletes. Yeah, it's pretty much a bunch of athletes. Well, you've been in the news a lot lately because of your incredible documentary breaking point that's on Netflix. And Sleez and I have both watched it twice. And, I mean, first off, congratulations. It was absolutely unbelievable.

How long has that been in the works? Yeah, thanks for watching it, guys. We filmed that in 2018. We was supposed to be a five-part series. they approached me because of a Netflix did because they did a partnership with the Players Tribune, which I love. And I wrote a piece there in 2015 on my last tournament that I played 2015 U.S. Open. And it was just about like my sort of my journey at the end of my career, my sort of trials and tribulations with my mental health issues, severe anxiety disorder,

and sort of getting a grasp and a handle on that and how I felt and just how it went down. And so that piece came out. We took that out the first day of that tournament there in 2015 and got a pretty nice response from it. You know, I mean, there's not a ton of athletes that are coming out and candidly speaking and being, you know, open and vulnerable about it, about their mental health. And so we got some nice, I mean, some nice friendships and stuff. people reaching out and stuff. And so fast forward a couple of years,

and Netflix and Players Tribune are partnering to do a five-part docu series on five different articles that the Players Tribune wrote or had on their site. And Netflix wanted to turn those into a docuseries, and they picked one of mine. So a lot of things came together with that because I've been, I've been open about my mental health issues, but I guess strategic is maybe not the word or just, you know, I just, I've been tried to be smart with like who I open up to and who I talk about, try to pick my spots and pick my battles and the platform of Netflix.

And again, loving the Players Tribune and, you know, just a monster platform of Netflix came together. And then the guys that did the, they actually directed it and produced it, the, the Way brothers Mac and Chapway. They're, I can't even say enough things, enough good things about them and just phenomenal. If you Google them and ever get a chance to watch anything they've done,

they're young brothers that, that do these documentaries and they've won Emmys and all that stuff and just phenomenal. And so they had a history of, a little bit of a history of mental health and they had a great knowledge of tennis growing up around a guy that I played with Sam Query. So it was kind of the perfect storm, right?

Where like it's this huge platform where people can really get it out there, somebody that's really, really good at, you know, because I don't want to be known as like Marty Fish, the mental health guy. Like it's Marty Fish, the tennis player that struggled with mental health. And, you know, here's his journey and here's his story. And so I just, I was a little bit nervous about that being my sort of my, my end game or whatever is is like just the mental health side.

Because I was pretty good at tennis. And so I don't want people to forget about that, I guess, even though it's been a while selfishly. So it's like trying to fit those two in. And man, they did a great job of sort of highlighting the journey, my story, the sort of journey of tennis players specifically. and just how hard that sport is, you know, from a young age and just how we're trained and, you know, just trained to and maybe a little different than golf in terms of like, you know, staying in the present, staying in the moment, never showing any weakness or fear, you know, like just never showing negative stress ever and just, you know, we could play for an hour. We can have a match for an hour.

We can have a match for five hours. I've had both plenty of times and you have to stay in the present the entire time. And I've been lucky enough to play some golf tournaments where I've done that and been exhausted coming out of it because it's a long round of golf and it's a long time to sort of be in the moment, be in the present. You sort of have to go other ways and take your mind out of those types of situations to where you can focus in on your shot once you get there. And tennis is the opposite of that. And I love learning about, you know, the mental side of sports. And each, you know, I try and pick a lot of sports athletes' brains on how they, you know, how they, how they work on the mental side of the game and stuff. And tennis is brutal. It's brutal on it. And so, you know, the rest is kind of the story of my journey of, like I said, just the journey of my career.

and then the sort of the history of mental health and just education, educating people on mental health. Yeah, the response to this thing has been spectacular. I mean, you look over Twitter. I mean, everybody is raving about this thing. I'm sure you've been just bombarded with messages, but is there any one person in particular, athlete, entertainer, whatever, who's reached out to you and said they watched the show and loved it,

that just kind of blew you away at the reach of this documentary? Yeah, you know, I mean, I'm a huge Ted Lasso fan. Jason Siddakis reached out and said, you know, said, I think he said something like I was a badass or something like that. I'm like, I don't know about all that, but, but he was just super cool. Look, I mean, there are a lot of people, that's cool, obviously, like, you know, I'm a fan of that show or whatever, but like the real awesome stuff is when an athlete or anyone really would reach out and say, you know, I've been struggling with some anxiety issues or some panic issues

or depression, whatever it is. And this doc helped me. This talk, I had one lady reach out. I remember because, again, there's thousands of them. And I've responded, I've tried to respond to every one of them. But there's one in particular that got me early on. The lady said that she watched the documentary and immediately called her boss and said, I will do the sort of the interview in front of,

not the interview, but the presentation in front of the other company that we're trying to emerge with or something like that because she couldn't get up there and do it because of her anxiety wouldn't allow her to actually get up in front of people to do it. So immediately called her boss and said, I'll do it tomorrow. It's that type of stuff that's like that really reaches and really sort of cements the fact that it seems to be helping people just by watching a simple documentary. And that's the whole, that was the whole goal, man. I mean, just the, to give people a success story, to give people someone that they can say, oh, yeah, I remember him or I remember that name, or even if they haven't heard of me or didn't know anything about tennis.

They can use the Google and check it out and just go, kind of go, okay, there's a success story, someone who was really struggled, who was really at rock bottom, almost to a place where I was afraid I was going to hurt myself or others around me, all the way to a point where I got back and I played in the U.S. Open again and, you know, won matches and was back in the fire and played at another elite level. So, like, that was the goal, was to show people that it can be done.

And so it's those types of people. It's the athletes that reach out as well that say, hey, man, I totally know how you feel and I've been doing that same thing, you know, all the way from, you know, like I said, actors, to, you know, every sport, every sport you can imagine. It's just been a really overwhelming response. Well, you deserve it because it was incredible.

But, I mean, if it's you or Michael Phelps, Simone Biles, I mean, athletes these days just seem so much more comfortable with talking about mental health, whereas in the past, I don't think they did. What do you think changed to make, I mean, you're obviously one of them, make athletes more comfortable about talking about this subject? I mean, I think it's athletes coming out and saying that they've dealt with these issues.

I mean, you know, like if you do some educating on mental health, it's there's tens of millions of Americans that deal with some sort of mental health issue every day. That's all, you know, that's obviously a lot of people. And, you know, what you can get and I, you know, I, I know, I know Naomi Osaka well, obviously from tennis and I've never met Simone Biles, but obviously a fan. And, you know, I can see those scenarios where they pull out of events like that or can't perform in events like that. And I can see that, you know, similar issue that I had with playing at the U.S. Open 2012 against Federer, where it's like, this is what I've trained my whole life for. This is what I've sacrificed and, you know, change my lifestyle for to be in this moment.

And I can't even, you're telling me I can't even step on the court, you know. I mean, I, you know, I'm telling myself, I can't even step on the court to do this. this. So it's educating people is really important about that. I think it was great as well. And I don't mean any disrespect to like female athletes or anything, but there's a lot of males out there. They're just like, oh, they're soft. They're, you know, and she just doesn't want to lose. You think Simone Biles for five years training for the Olympics, like just doesn't want to lose. That's why she didn't play. That's why she didn't compete. Like, so just educating people on, you know, the history of mental health, what it is, what.

it does to you. Clearly, those are people that just haven't, and thankfully, they haven't had to deal with any mental health issues, and that's probably a good thing for them, but they just don't understand. They don't understand it. I saw Tyson Fury come out and with his sort of trials and tribulations and issues that he's had in the past, and there's a great example of someone. I played a non-contact sport. Like so, you know, it's hard for me to like kind of go, yeah, I'm tough. Like I played tennis as a country club sport. And so having someone like Tyson Fury or having these football players kind of come out and just say like, yeah, this affects me as well. Like I struggle with my mental health sometimes. And I think that's huge. I just, I don't mean any

disrespect to like them at all, but just like having the heavyweight champion of the world come out and say he deals with mental health issues. Like nobody's tougher than that guy. So all that stuff's great. It gives us more comfort to say, you know, to be not okay. To not be okay is actually okay. Yeah, I think you guys have opened the door. The pressure that you guys feel, I think, is something that the average person will never even come close to feeling in their life. But going back to the documentary, one of my favorite parts that I found most interesting was you as a young kid.

Like, your come up, right? At age 16, you go off to Saddlebrook Academy. me, it's all tennis all the time. And that's where you kind of start to be taught about mental toughness, right? Well, looking back on that now, what would you tell a young Marty Fish about what they were teaching you at that time? I mean, it's difficult because that's the game. That's the sport. Like that, that's what it requires because it's such an individual game. It's really, you know, if you can marathon runner or something like that. I mean, like in the mainstream sports, you know, one of the only sports, when you leave the locker room, you're all by yourself.

Like so we don't have anyone to bounce ideas off or tell us it's okay or like that's that little voice in our head. So like that is the sport. It is a non-contact gladiator type sport. We're trying to beat the other person to a pulp non-violently. And so and so it's it's just a really difficult, it's a really difficult game. And it's a really, you know, and there's a lot of different reasons for that. There's the travel, first of all. It's a global game to where, you know, and I can, you know, you guys talk a lot about golf, obviously, like, and I love golf. So, like, you know, there's parallels there for sure, but it's different in terms of, like, man, it'd be nice to play in the States every week. Man, it'd be nice to play, like, six tournaments in a row on the West Coast and then five tournaments in row on the East Coast and, like, be able to drive to every tournament.

Like, I started 2012 in Perth, Australia, which is on the other side of Australia. and then Melbourne and then back home for a week and then over to Switzerland for Davis Cup back home for a week over to Marseilles, Dubai, Indian Wells, Miami and that was before March. So like it's it's a difficult, it's just a really difficult game. It's brought me a ton of joy and unbelievable experiences in my life so I don't want to like sit here and go like tennis is brutal, don't do it.

It also teaches you incredible life skills. It's a great tool for an education. People can use in terms of college scholarship, high school scholarships, things like that. If you're pretty good but not a professional. And it's it's given me an incredible life. But it's not easy. It's not an easy game. and none of them are obviously,

but I'm a little biased. I think tennis is the toughest sport in the world. Yeah, I mean, I have no idea because I don't play it, obviously. Shockingly, I know. I'm pretty nice with the racket. But, you know, we've had, Marty, we've had a ton of different athletes on here, and we like to get to know, like, kind of pick their brain a little bit. And one thing we find out is most all athletes are very, very superstitious.

Was Marty Fish superstitious at all when he played? And if so, I need to know the most ridiculous thing you used to do. I mean, I don't even know if they were ridiculous. I mean, I was really super, you know, so like same restaurant night before a match. If you're in a Grand Slam, you have one day off in between so you can get that break. If there's not a Grand Slam, it's the same meal like every night. It's a lot. I used to not, after the point, if I was on the court, I used to not step on.

I'd step over lines. I didn't want to step on the lines. And then I would also draw an imaginary line like past the baseline if I was walking like outside the court. And so I'd step over that imaginary line as well. Get the balls from the ball kid on this side for the deuce, that side for the ad, have to come from them. Like if it's not coming from them, I got to move. They have to move the balls over to the other side and then I got to get it from them. Same stall, obviously in the bathroom, same urinal bathroom.

Like that's normal stuff, I feel like. Can't be the first one. Can't be the last one. It's got to be something in the middle. Yeah, so there's, you know, I'm fairly normal. Just a few. Not really any superstitions at all. It's got to be a doll picking his wedgy before every serve.

I mean, I want to know how to doll started his. That's just OCD. What is that? He does it on every serve. It's like his underwear is never in the right spot, dude. But there's never, yeah, it's just, it's just an OCD. I mean, it's like a, it's like a tick for him. Like, he does the same thing with the hair.

It's the same thing. And then he does the, the, does the undies. And then, you know, and then he's like getting his grip and getting his, if you watch, like, his foot is like moving a little bit as well. Like, he's, he's unique in that regard. The water bottles, the same. Like, if I was a total jerk, like, I would, if Lendell played back in the day, if Lendell played in Nadal's era, Lendell would walk over and, like, kick over, like, his water bottles and, like, you know, not let him. He puts the water bottles, like, perfectly at an angle, like in the exact same spot every time, the water and then the electrolyte drink,

like in the exact same spot. He has to walk across the net after you. So like he played, I'll give an example, we played Robin Soderling, one of the, one of the matches, he's lost three times at the French Open. One of the matches that he lost, he lost to Robin Soderling in the fourth round in 2009 when Roger won the, won the French Open the only time he won. Soderling wouldn't go first. He would just, wait at his chair until the dog got up and it freaked him out. He couldn't do anything about it. Like, Nadal is, he's, and he's very nice. Like, he's a, he's a really nice dude as well. And so, like, he's, he's also half doing it to be polite and half like, you know, he's OCD. And, um,

and so he wouldn't, he, he would just wait for you to walk across and he just, you know, just call your bluff kind of. And this Soderling dude was just like, nope, I'm not going. I love it. And it messed him up, dude. It really did. It really did mess him up. So, like, you know, there's, there's things that those guys are all, everyone's really unique in that way. But yeah, I had superstitions. Like, I think that's fairly normal, right? Like, you know, stalls and, and restaurants and imaginary lines. Yeah, that's like, yeah, that's 101 level stuff. And Nadal has to be a guy that has to flip the light switch three times before he leaves his hotel room. Like, he's got so much stuff going on. Yeah, there's a lot going on. Yeah, I feel bad for him.

a lot going on up there. He's doing okay. Don't feel too bad for him. Who is, who is your guy growing up? Like obviously for us in golf, Tiger Woods is our guy. Who is, who is your guy? I mean, look, we came from, I came after an era that was incredible, right? Like Sampress, Agassi, Courier, Chang, Martin, Washington, you know, guys that were Americans who were competing, slam in, slam out for, for, you know, titles, playing against each other. I mean, how many times did Pete play Andre? It was such a great, you know, and then before them, Connors and McEnroe, Girolitis and those guys, I mean, they, you know, they, Arthur Ash, Stan Smith, like this is incredible history of U.S. tennis.

I loved watching Todd Martin, honestly. Like, we had like a similar style. I know he wasn't like a Grand Slam champion. He made two finals. But, but in the U.S. open in Australia. But I just, I don't know. I just, I loved like, we played similar styles. We weren't like from here to there, you know, fast, super fast.

There was more we were, I think there's like two types of athletes, like a run, jump sprint type athlete, you know, like the LeBron James type where he's just like crazy athletic. And then there's like a hands and feel and touch athlete like Cole, you know, that like has as a touch athlete. He called you athlete. May not be, may not be from here to there a 40 yard dash quite as fast, but like has great hand like would dominate in a bar. You know what I mean?

Like pool, ping pong, darts. Love this guy. That's an athlete. Shuffle board. Yeah. Yeah. I love this guy. I mean, so I was that type of athlete.

I wasn't the fast, you know, sort of. And so was Todd. And so I don't know. I gravitated towards him a little bit. You came after a great era of tennis, but you also came in during maybe what could go down as the greatest era in tennis. You got Nadal, Federer, Djokovic, all coming out. To put that in, like, a golf comparison,

is that the equivalent of, like, coming up, getting your tour card, and then all of a sudden there's three Tiger Woods, 2000 out there that you got to compete? against? No, there'd be a Jack, Tiger, and I don't even know who's third. Who's third? I mean, Hogan, yeah. I mean, honestly, like, but all of them would be at 20. They're all at 20. Yeah. They're all at 20 right now. Those three guys, they've taken everything from us. They've taken our legs, our souls, our bank accounts, everything. They, they are, yeah, we'll never see a generation like this. We'll never see three.

guys like this. It'd be amazing. We saw one guy like this again, one person. We had three in the same era. It's my opinion, Djokovic will go down as the best player of all time. I think he'll have the most slams. I think Roger's probably done in terms of winning big events, you know, which is a bummer, but, you know, father time. I mean, he's 40 years old now. I think Rafa can win the French a few times, perhaps, but I mean, there are guys that are closing the gap, and there's a lot of young guys coming. So yeah, it'd be like Tiger or Jack, it would be like Jack, like three Jacks, really, like, you know, a tiger, a Jack and another Jack that would be, you know, all their tied, you know, just taking everything from everyone. Very selfish.

Yeah, doesn't leave much room for everybody else. Was it one of those things, though, like when you and for other players, like, you know, the bracket comes out and you're like, okay, I can go here, here, and then I'm going to run into Nadal Federer Djokovic. Like, do you? Do you kind of look ahead and be like, okay, this is where I'm probably going to have to get to them? I mean, when I was a crappy player, no. I mean, I'd love to play one of those guys. When I was like pretty good at the, you know, sort of middle of my career or end of my career, like I, you know, there was a U.S. over.

There was like, look, I mean, tennis is different than golf in this in this way. Like the better player wins a lot, right? Like a ton. Way more. That's why that's what makes what Tiger did so amazing because the competition was all there. was just so dominance what like Phil's doing in the senior tour like you went three of four like you're way better than those guys right now um and so and so if if in tennis like in three out of five sets especially like if you're better than someone like you're probably going to get them

you know and barring an injury or like your your body breaking down or something like that you're probably going to beat them most mostly um there was like one or two slam that I entered where I was like, I actually legitimately think I can win this tournament. Not many because of these guys, like they just, it was just so hard. You had to beat three of them to like to win the whole thing. But I honestly thought that like 2011, Wimbledon and the U.S. Open was the one. U.S. Open really, like I entered that tournament thinking like I can win this tournament, period. My fourth round was as Joe Wilfred Songa, who I lost to in five sets, an amazing player,

French guy, unbelievable athlete. and then I would have had to play Federer Nadal and Djokovic. Like just after I beat after I would, if I would have beaten him, which I didn't. So like, yeah, the quarters would have been fed. Samis would have been the doll and the final would have been Novak. And like, what are you going to do with that? I mean, it's pretty hard to win slams with that. And you saw, we saw, you know, the ones that have done it.

The only one really is Del Potro in 2009. he beat Nadal and the semi-fed in the final, came back from two Zvesta 1. And the other one was like Marin Chilich, who's a Croatian player, amazing player. He won the U.S. Open, I think, 15 or 14 or 15. But he had help on the other side. Nishikori beat Nizhikovychi beat Nadal on the other side or Djokovic on the other side. So he only had to beat one of those guys, and that's super rare. And now you're seeing these guys win big events, you know, without having to play.

any of them. And so it's a different time. I mean, these guys are closing in on finishing their careers. And it's a new, you know, kind of a new era just like in golf with without Tiger, you know, like who's it going to be, who's going to be next? And

there's a lot of youngsters out there that are really good. It's crazy, 60 slams between the three guys. Yeah, there's just no, and it's like you said, like three out of five sets. It's just like they're going to grind you down. But you said Joker, in your opinion, will go down as the greatest. You've got to play against all three kind of more or less in their prime. Who did you fear isn't the right word?

Who did you dread playing the most or feel most helpless against that of history? Fear is probably the right word. Fear is the right word. I never beat Novak in singles. He was the one that I just, I could never find, never be comfortable finding any holes. Like, like, you know, it's 30 all and I'm serving. And there's a spot that I can go that I feel comfortable winning this point. Against, against Nadal, he wasn't.

an unbelievable returner. He actually didn't like playing bigger servers. I had a bigger serve. So like, I actually played him fairly well. I only beat him once, but, but I played him tight a lot. Federer, I only beat once as well, but played him tight too because he was pretty loose with like a lot of, a lot of points. Like he, he would turn it on and off very easily. Like you could tell if he was, if he felt like, if he felt threatened, he's like a lion, you know, like, where like he was like laying down and if he felt threatened, like he'd stand up and like, you know, the wine would stand up and his big old main would be like that. Like that's better in a way that like if he felt threatened, um, he'd get up a break right away or like he'd go,

I'm going to crush this guy. I played him in the final of the grass court tournament in Hala, Germany, um, in 2004. And he was up nine zero. There's six oh three up. like in 20 minutes, you know, and I'm like, come on, man. Like, you're going to do this to be? Like, I thought we were friends. And then, and then he let me hold the rest of the way. And he beat me 606.3. So it was like he just, you just, you can sort of tell we played in another match where I,

it was in Cincinnati, finalist Cincinnati. And I just just felt like I was playing great tennis was like the perfect time for me to to beat him, you know, again. And he just came out right away first four points at four winners, four straight winners to break me. And it was seven, or six, four, seven, six, like, just like that. And he just, he just felt that he could just pick up his level whenever he wanted. So, like, there were holes there, but if he wanted there to be no holes, then there were no holes.

And he never even sweated. Why is the guy not sweat? I'm not convinced he's an actual human. He's unique, man. And he, and he just, and he's, he'll play as long as, as long as his body. or like his tennis will allow him because it's not in terms of like, oh, man, I'm tired of the road. And I'm like, you know, like he loves traveling. He loves hotels. He loves playing. He loves that lifestyle. He's all about it. And so he'll play as long as he can.

Nadal is more of like his body will break down, I feel like, just in terms of how physical he plays. And hopefully, you know, later rather than sooner. Because he's awesome to watch. He's great. for the game. We were really lucky. I mean, Novak gets a bad rap, but I think Novak gets a bad rap because he beats your favorite player every time. And like if Novak came out and played like the evil role, you know, or like the Conner's role or like, you know, just F off everyone, you know, like he would be a star. I mean, I think he'd be like one of the biggest athletes in the world, like almost like the Connor McGregor type thing where like you just don't really care. It's all for show. And like he's just trying to.

trying to play that role. If he played like the evil guy role, which he's not, he'd be, I think he'd be better suited as opposed to, you know, trying to be liked because he wants to be liked so much. And he's beating Nadal and Federer all the time. And everyone loves Nadal and Federer, either in Nadal or a Federer, right? Like, who are you, Nadal or Federer? Federer.

Sle. Federer. I love him. It's like he doesn't even try it. dismantles people it's like a searcher yeah so like novac plays them and like you hate novac because he beats roger all the time now and like it's annoying and like people people don't like that so that novac gets a bad rap in that regard i think he's a nice kid and and he's he's he's been great for the games obviously you know obviously in an all-time great yeah i mean what an error to be

involved in but i mean you had an unbelievable tennis career you're also a hell of a golfer and we do have to talk a little golf on here i was just pulling up your handicap and you're currently got a little plus 2.8 index. Hello. At the prestigious Bel Air Country Club out there in LA. For the record, I'm a plus two index right now. So give me some candy, Marty. Give me some candy, Marty.

Long par four. You'll get one. But let's talk a little about your game. I mean, Bel Air, a lot of good players out there, a lot of celebrities. Who are some of your normal games out there at Bel Air? Yeah, I probably play once a month, maybe once every two months or so. So, like, I don't play nearly as much. The only times I really play honestly are around those celebrity events just to try and practice up a little bit.

So I don't play nearly as much as I want or can. Golf takes too long. First of all, I think golf should be 12 holes. I think it should be six and six. If you want to play an extra six, it's already there, 18 holes. You can play the third six. But six and six, you're in and out in three hours, whether you walk, ride, whatever. So I think it's a problem is like golf takes too long. I don't have the five and a half hours of getting there before playing, staying after for a minute, and then like going home. I have two young kids at home, you know, so like I don't have that time. My real games, yeah, I mean, look, I get you, I get ready for those things with Wagner.

He crushes me every single time we're out at Bel Air. Like I'm probably down thousands of dollars every, like we'll probably play for a week and we'll play like three or four times in that one week. I'll be down five grand to him easily every time. we'll go to the tournament and he'll finish, you know, six or seventh and I'll finish, you know, first or second, whatever. Like, so, like, but I love playing against Jack because he's, he's like, he's an actor, I know, but like, he's competitive as hell. Like, he's, like, he's in great shape still. He's an awesome dude. I love Jack, but, but, like, he's just fun to play with. He'll

gamble for anything. I'm the, I'm the kind of golfer that, like, I have a really hard time just going out and just swinging the club and, like, playing around a golf. Like, It's just, it's kind of boring to me, to be honest. Like, so I need either three other really good friends that, like, I've been looking forward to for a while or want to hang out with or it needs to be a big money game because like otherwise I can't, like, it doesn't do anything for me. I like that. So I don't, yeah, I sort of lean on like not playing as much, unfortunately because like I need

the action. Well, there's plenty of plays for big money games. You're at the right spot. Yeah. What's your lowest around Bel Air? Actually, I played, I played on last Thursday for a charity thing, or somebody auctioned, bought a charity, you know, to play 18 holes with me and what a charity. And I shot 64 at Bel Air.

Yeah, that was the first time I played in a couple months, I think. But like, but like number one at Bel Air is short, because we're redoing the clubhouse now. So, like, number one's, like, driver wedge. Oh, yeah. But it's a par five. But if I make a four, I'm counting at a birdie. You better believe it. Of course.

Yeah. Yeah, that nice little small clubhouse yard building out there, Bill. It's quaint. It's going to be a quaint. Will that be finished about 2030? Yeah, the good news is they have, they have like four suites for you, Colt, so you can get sideways and then you can just sleep there. That's good.

Charge it to me. Perfect. Sounds incredible. Yeah, there's no other way. Actually, charge it to someone else. Charge it to Verland or something, you know? Yeah. Verlander's really rich. He's overpaid.

I'll probably have his own. He's too rich. He's way too rich. You only play once or maybe once every two months and you can still go out and shoot 64. You're one of those guys. You don't need practice. You can just kind of show up and put the club on the ball. I don't even like hit balls. I don't even hit balls either. And I'm not saying it like I'm trying to be talking.

That's just like the way. Like I've I've grown up playing golf, tennis and baseball my whole life. And it's the backhand for tennis. It's the lefty swing for golf and it's the lefty swing for baseball. And like, they invited me out to Dodger Stadium a few years ago and I hit seven home runs. I'm not very strong at all, but like I don't know why. It's just like the swing or something like. So I don't know, dude.

Like it's just that that lefty like swing, the backhand, the golf swing or whatever is comes so natural. And I know exactly. I've never taken a lesson. I know exactly what my ball like will do. Colts see me play. I played with him where he doesn't miss the middle of the fairway. but like I had played this little banana and I can slice the hell out of it if you need me to and my miss is way left and I never hit it right and knock on wood and I don't put it very well

but but I can hit it pretty good that's about it no lessons no practice shoot 64 you're what I want to be I mean you shot the year you won at Tahoe you shot a 63 one day so you got to be able to roll it just a little bit but that that event in Tahoe is obviously extremely special and one, I know you've wanted to win for a long time. What it mean for you to finally get that win? And who are some of the guys you look forward to running into it, Tahoe every year? Man, well, I got a, I've got, we have a standing Wednesday game with Steph, Del, and Seth now. They added another curry to the tournament.

So we have that, like, standing 1205 tea time on Wednesday. Canelo is now one of the guys that is in that group to, I've become real good friends with him. That's the thing about those events. It's like there's guys at my path. I would never cross paths with Canelo Alvarez, ever. Like where would I, I'm a fan of his. Again, like I love combat sports and I'm a huge fan of Canelo Alvarez,

pound for pound the best boxer in the world, right? Like I would never cross path with Canello. And he played the tournament in Tahoe and he's the sweetest guy ever, you know, outside the ring. and he'll he loves golf. Y'all should have him on here. He loves golf. And so we've become, you know, we've made those friendships. Steph Curry's another one where like Steph and I like, of course, everyone's a fan of

Steph. We love, you know, like he's a great golfer and a great dude and good family man and just like the values that you want and a friend, right? And like, I would never cross paths with Steph. Like he doesn't know who I am. And like, you know, like, how would I ever meet that guy? But sure enough, Tahoe and the American Century guys do, it's just such an unbelievable job of making it, you know,

just that, you know, just that week of the year that, so do the guys in Orlando too. Or it's just like that week out of the year where you're just like, man, it's going to be fun. Regardless of how you play golf, man, it's going to be fun. It's just a bonus if you play well. That's so cool. By that can by Canelo, he just picked up the game like two years ago.

Yeah. And he's shooting in the 80s, correct? Yeah. Yeah, now he's, no, now he's down like high, 70s. He's got a pretty good looking swing now. And yes, he picked up the, he picked up the game two and a half years ago. Unbelievable. No joke. He has a security. And it's not like he played, not like he played when he was young and like, and, um, you know, and picked it up again. Like he literally picked a club up two and a half years ago and now he's shooting high 70s,

low 80s. It's incredible. I love when him and when him and Steph get in there and they do the little boxing and he swings, he throws like 10 bunches and Steph has no idea what just happened. Who just hit me? I filmed that. I filmed that. Did you? That's our Wednesday round. That's awesome.

Yeah. And a security detail is like one of the Beatles. I mean, I saw him walk around. I was like, I wanted to go over, like just see him. And I was like, I might get punched in the face just trying to get near the guy. But you mentioned he's only played for two and a half years. Dude, you're at 2.8 and you were pretty much all tennis growing up. When did you first start playing?

I played since I can stand. I've got like, you know, videos of swinging a plastic club. It's same with my son. I did the same thing. So I'm a lefty. My son's a righty and I have videos of my son watching me, you know, swing as a lefty and then him swinging as a righty, literally at 18 months old with a plastic club. He's got a beautiful swing now.

He's seven. Like, it's super fun. So I did that. That was my path. Like it was like, you know, growing up playing tennis and golf, playing a little bit of baseball. But I played like junior golf. I played some junior events, you know, city, city golf, nine hole events, things like that. Never excelled anywhere close to tennis, though.

So chose the right one, I think. But, but yeah, there's that there's that part of you that's like, man, what if I chose golf? I'd still be playing if I did just as good in tennis. But it's nice to be retired too. Yeah, just enjoy it. Golf's much more fun when you're retired. I've started to realize as of late. But Marty, this has been so much fun.

We've got to get to the emergency nine real quick, and then we'll let you get out of here. These are nine fun questions about Marty Fish. All right. We ask this to everyone. You can trade lives with anyone for a day, dead or alive. Who's it going to be? Wow. Does everyone take like 30 seconds for that?

It could be a joke of it so you could go back and lose to yourself. That'd be nice. God, Marty Fishers beat the shit out of me. That guy's good. No kids. Yeah, make him look really good. Wow. It has to be like a president or something.

just to see like the daily life of like a president of the United States. I won't pick one because like we're so divided. It's a good guy or a red guy. Yeah, I'll be a president. Perfect. Yeah. I like that. Just to have those new codes, the power is just got to be intoxicating.

Like just to kind of like be in the sit room, you know, they call it the sit room and just like, or where do we go and go in the bunker or something? I don't know. There's just so much. The Air Force One. be flying around Air Force One everywhere. And you know everything there is about aliens. That would be a nice perk too. Fill me in if you ever get that game.

All right, next one. I will. Next one, you've been around a lot of great athletes in your day. Have you ever met a man with more unjustified self-confidence than John Mallinger? Malley, I mean, I love Malley. It's a great question. I mean, I'm trying to think like... Unjustified, not just someone that's confident.

Carlos Correa the other day pointed to his watch as the ball was flying in, Mally's still cockier than him. Yeah, I saw that. He actually did something cool. Fernando Tatees is pretty cocky. Malley's still coquier than him. I mean, no, I haven't. That's the answer.

And just so you all know, now that we asked about Mally on here, it's going to make him even cockier. Oh, this is just going to go straight to his head. He's going to be even cockier. Yeah, it's going to be running this thing. Yeah, he's going to be adding to the. He won't hear this. He'll be caught up in front of a mirror or something for an hour or two.

All right. Number three, what's the first thing that comes to your mind when you hear the song, where the party at? Oh, this is James. Isn't it? This is, this is Aptos, this is James Blake told you about this. This is Apitos, California. This is like before we knew, we turned pro, and before we were playing like AAA type tennis and type tournaments. And James and I thought it would be great idea to rent a instead of staying like the holiday and express is where we should have stayed with like you know what we were making at those tournaments um we decided to like rent some crazy like villa place or whatever and all we played the entire time was where the party at girls is on the way where the Bacardi at you know that and man we played that a lot I love it that's great

that was an anthem dude that was an anthem back in the day they don't make them like that anymore everybody's washed up all right I know you're big MMA guy, like you said. I think you even practice some mixed martial arts. So I need your opinion here. If Nadal, Federer, Jokovic, and Marty Fish all got in the octagon, last man standing wins, who's coming out on top? I mean, I'm coming out just because I know what I'm doing. I mean, I'm going to submit, let's see, I'm going to submit Roger with a, with an anaconda. I'm going to, Joakovich is super, I'm going to have to knock out. Novak because he's super flexible, can't get his arms or anything.

Yeah, and I'm going to take, I'm going to take Rafa's neck when he's not looking. When he's messing with his water bottles. Perfect. Would Federer even fight? He seems too nice. He's like, you know what? No, he's too nice. Yeah.

Roger would be the, he'd be the ref. There would only be two guys. Okay, fair. All right. Well, coming up soon, we have the Vikings and the Cowboys. You're a diehard Vikings fan. I'm a diehard cowboy fan. I need to know right now what's our bet for the game.

I don't know if y'all can handle us even though we have had adam thieling as a guest here on our show feeling with five tubs Yeah, um Let's see I just did with Steph. I did a loser has to wear Opposing teams jersey and posting on Twitter so you'll be seeing him in a in an AT 19 jersey pretty soon We can do that I'll do that same thing with you. That's perfect Yeah, yeah, yeah, so we'll do uh I'll send you and I'll send you with theeland jersey or I'll have him send you with theeland jersey I'll do it right now because we'll probably win anyways. And then you can wear it that night and post it.

After Trayvon Diggs shut stealing down, I'll send you a Diggs jersey number seven. Once he wakes up, yeah, once he wakes up, he'll be good. All right, guys playing good. That'll be great game. Al Michaels on the call, Sunday night football. Al Michaels, Bel Air member, great dude.

And arguably, arguably, the greatest broadcaster of all time, and probably not arguably the worst golfer at Belair. Oh, my God. I played with him one day. Oh, boy. We showed up on 10, the one day we went down there as him and Nance, and he was hitting on 10, the part 3, and I don't think it cleared the, no chance.

I don't think he was, I think he was re-teeing on the part 3. Yeah, 10, 10's a driver, all of a driver for him to get over the ravine that's 75 yards. Yeah, it was definitely lumbered. Just didn't quite have the distance. All right. I need to know, I read that you and Andy Roddock were on the same basketball team at one point. Is that correct? All right, perfect.

All right, game to one. You guys competed in everything growing up. Game to 11, one-on-one, winner, final score. Oh, what are we planning to? 11? 11. I know where this is going. 113, because he boxes out a couple of rebounds, puts a couple rebounds.

He's got a huge ass. So he, like, he bumps, he'll push you in. You know, like, he's a big boy. Like, he rode the pine for us in high school. And when we needed, we needed energy, when we needed defense in, like, like, you know, and rebounding. Andy, come on, come on. He'd be looking somewhere else and then, oh, me?

Okay, and you run in. Get some rebounds. Andy, just don't shoot. Whatever you do, just pass it to the shooters on the team. And you'll be fine. And so that's what he did. He was effort, energy, rebounding, and defense. He's the five fouls guy.

We're going to need you to use all five of those and make them count. Every team needs one of those guys. I love that. All right. Number seven. Halloween is a fun holiday for children and adults. I need to know what your favorite Halloween costume you ever wore was. Interesting.

Not great at Halloween. We do a family theme thing. Well, maybe when you went to Florida State. I feel like you wanted to mine. Maybe when you went to Florida State and see Jay Cohen sometime. Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, so you're thinking about, okay, the kissing booth.

I was a kissing booth. Wow. That's genius. Yeah, yeah. So the thing went over my head and it had like a drape and everything. And so I'd open it, you know, it said 25 cents for kisses on above it. And I'd open it up. Boom, there's my face 25 cents.

Genius. Did it work? Of course it. You get any bites? Of course. This is Florida State. We're talking about 40s. He was probably rocking the man bun back then.

They were getting paid. Oh yeah. The bun. The ponytail. I mean, very versatile. That's creative. I like that. That bun.

That bun was irresistible. All right. one. Couple of your competitors here. I need to know which one takes the cake. Who likes to flaunt their biceps more? Raffin Nadal or Mark Mulder? I mean, I haven't seen Mark play in sleeveless shirt. Yes. If it was allowed, he would. 100%. Okay. Yeah. I mean, those shirts are tight. They're not, they're not big. And the sleeves are short. And the sleeves are short. I mean, marks are bigger than Rafa's. Raffa's maybe more defined. I'll go with Rafa actually in an upset.

All right. That left bicep of his. God. It's about 2x the right. Mulder is bench pressing as we speak. The second he hears about this. Oh, there's no way he's not doing four sets of curls before he walks to the range in Tahoe. I guarantee he travels with dumbbells.

He just needs to be able to pick up the cranberry OJ and vodka and just go like that. That's all he needs to do now. He's got to have that, we call it birdie juice. He's got to have that birdie juice before he tees off. He's got it. All right. Last one. Think back to all the great sporting events you've been to. I need to know what the greatest upset in sports you ever witnessed in person. Think deep and hard about this one. This is a trick question. Maybe. I just want to hear your answer, and then I'll tell you the answer.

I want to hear your answer. Then we'll tell you the right answer. Now I'm thinking, like, what was it, pros and Joe's? And you guys feed us in pros and Joe's or something like that? Is that it? It might have been when I had a little foot race up the stairs with one fellow tennis. player James Blake at the Travis Matthew event. Oh, that's right. I remember that. That was, that was, yeah, that was at the Travis Matthew event, right? Yep. When we, we raised, he spotted me like five steps going up the stairs. Everybody circled around and he fell on the first step. And I ended up beating him to the top. And he still to this day, he's like, we're doing it again. I'm like, no, I'm one and oh. I'm undefeated against James Blake. You tennis people are supposed to be

athletes. I don't see why, yeah, I don't see why you need to do it. And I don't see why that was an upset, to be honest with you. Right. Yeah. That's a lot. Vegas had that at even money, by the way. Yeah, that was minus 130, Blake, you know, plus 110. It's no big deal. It was nothing. Nothing. Marty, we can't thank you enough.

Congrats on the documentary. If people haven't seen it, you've got to go watch it. Untold Breaking Point with Marty Fish. Marty, thank you so much, my man. All right, well, that was Marty Fish, joining us on golf subpar. Slees, what a stud. How about that little annual game up in tile with American Century? He just gets to play with the Curries and also Canelo Alvarez,

who is just becoming an unbelievable golfer for just starting two years ago. Yeah, I actually watched Cannell a little bit when I was up there this year. A, I was completely impressed with his golf game because I was like, I knew the guy hadn't been playing very long at all. And then B, the amount of people that he has around him, dude, I was like, this guy is not going to be messed with. By the way, it's probably the last guy up there that needs security. If anyone runs up to him, you can hit him seven times before they even know that he was,

that they got hit yet. But yeah, dude, this, man, Marty's golf game is legitimately, very good. My favorite part about him talking about his golf game was the fact that he's like, yeah, you know, I get out whenever I get out, and I don't really practice or hit balls or whatever. But, you know, I'm a plus 2, plus 2.8, plus 3, whatever. Like, he doesn't practice or do anything. He's just one of those guys. The hand-eye is that good that he doesn't need a whole lot of it.

That's what I like to see out of my golfers. Yeah, plays out of Bel Air. I mean, just an unbelievable place. We've had so much fun there. They get amongst it around Bel Air. But you know, you mentioned his tennis career where he got to number seven in the world. But him talking about, you know, Nadal, Federer, Djokovic.

Just unbelievable. Like, those guys are just on another planet. And you love hearing it from a guy who was, you know, one of the best in the world at one time. Dude, I could have talked about those three guys and him playing them for a long, long time. I think that one of the few guys in the world you can talk to one-on-one that's actually got experience against all three of those guys. And it also gives you an appreciation with the guy like Marty who got to number seven in the world. I mean, this guy was elite-level, you know, tennis player saying like, yeah, the fact that those three guys all, came in the same era would be like three tigers or jack tiger hogan name it whoever it was like

we just happened to run into the best era of golf in the or of tennis in the history of tennis and it just wipes out anybody else's chance of winning anything it's just kind of a shitty break when those three guys come in but you also got to experience the best tennis ever played basically yeah and even though even though he was at the top of the world obviously it doesn't come with struggles i mean he's very open about his you know battles with mental health the Netflix documentary breaking point. I mean, if you haven't seen it, you got to go watch it. I know we've both seen it twice because we were interrupted the first time. We were trying to watch it, but man, it's, it's such a cool story. It shows that even these guys that are at the top of their game, you know,

it's not all just perfect every single day. It gives you an appreciation for those guys that, like a Tiger Woods, who stayed up there for so long. Nadal, Federer, Djokovic, all of them. The expectation levels are enormous. They're supposed to win every single tournament they go into and they have all that. And yet they go out there and still perform. I guess it's, it's, a special special trait and I think we just turn on the TV and watch these guys and kind of sometimes forget about what's going on inside. It's a it's a different beast and very very few people in the world can speak to what that's like. You're exactly right. Well, Sleys, the golf season is back in full swing and there's no better way to get in on the action than on Fandul

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If you win, you keep the cash. If you lose, you get your entire bet up to $1,000 back in sight credit. All right, Slees, you're the expert this week. Maya Coba, your one PGA tour store. Let me tell you a little bit about, let me tell you everything I know about myacoba. Okay, cool. I'm going to start on a whole number one. The guys are going to be nervous. There's no bigger stage in all. No, I'm kidding. But this is the home of my debut and my finale on the PGA tour. I had a hell of a time. We have good times down there in Playa, maybe made some bad decisions in terms of, you know, what I could and couldn't have done for the week that would have set me up better for success. But it's over. But now, you know, you live and you learn and now we're going to pick some winners this week.

I thought you're going to tell me, let me tell you about Myacoba. There's shit on the left and there's shit on the right. There's shit on both sides. If you use a driver, you've never ever used in competition. You're probably going to be fucked. Just word to the wise. All right. Well, let's get, we have a star-studded field this week.

They have all come to Myakoba. We got Justin Thomas, Victor Hovlin, Tony Fienau, Brooks Keppka. I mean, it is absolutely loaded. The defending champion, Victor Hovlin is the second betting favorite at plus 1,600. I believe we both are very, very high on him. this week. Big high on them and props of this tournament too for like the trajectory that they've taken. They're getting some monster names down there. This thing's really become a fun event that a lot of guys look forward to go into. But yes, we're both high on Victor Alvin, right place so is the

defending champ. He's going off at 14 to 1 and I just like him around this place again. I think ball striking wise, if it's a little breezy down there, we know the way he can hit the ball is, pitching around the greens has gotten better and his putter is clearly good enough. But I don't find this place to be the toughest pitching if you do miss greens on the pGA tour it's not as difficult as a lot of places i think that weakness of victors gets shrunk uh at a place like my ikoba yeah it's it's just such a ball strikers golf course especially since it's moved you know to this time of year in november it's the rainy season down in cancun it used to be played in february the ball ran forever it could run into those penalty areas a lot now it plays much longer really really you know benefits

the bombers and guys who drive the ball very well which not many do it better than victor hovlin Another guy I'm looking at, been playing some awesome golf, one in Europe recently. Billy Horschel loves this place going off around 25 to 1 at Fandall. Love him around this place. If you're looking for some more value, I'm going to steal one of your guys here, Sleash, Russell Henley going off at plus 5,000, 50 to 1. Hey, feels good, doesn't it? It feels good to get Russ in the mix, but maybe next week you take Corey Connors

and just taste the rainbow, you know? One week at a time, Slees. This is the problem. You get ahead of yourself. All right. I know, but yeah, that's what I do. And then if you want a real dark horse, you want to just sprinkle something on there for a big payday, I like Ryan Palmer at 100 to 1.

Oh, okay. All right. I see it with Ryan Palmer coming down there. RP, good win player, great ball striker. I'll give you my longer shot here. I went with Hovland at 14 to 1. The flip side of that, 41 to 1, guy that's coming back, took some time off. Brain seems to be in a very good spot right now.

Golf game also seems to be in a very good spot right now. It has all the firepower on the world you need. and plays well in wind, obviously, an Oklahoma State guy. Matthew Wolf is at 41 to 1. It would not surprise me at all to see him be in the hunt on Sunday down at Mike Hope him. All right. Well, that's our picks for Fandul this week. Hope y'all cash some tickets.

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Take care of yourself. Do me a favor while you're over there. If you could snag like a couple barrels of oil and smuggle them into your carry on, bring them back here because shit's getting expensive to fill up the tank over here. Put your hands on whatever you can get and just bring it back over here. All right. I love it. I'll do my best for you. But thanks to everyone for listening.

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