Subpar - Marty Jertson talks the impact of TheStack System on Tour players, the most impressive PING staffer to see up close

Episode Date: July 4, 2023

On this week's episode of GOLF's Subpar, PING's VP of Fitting and Performance Marty Jertson joins former PGA Tour pro Colt Knost and jicky jack legend Drew Stoltz for an exclusive, in-studio, interview. He talks competing in Majors while working for PING, the impact TheStack System has had on Tour players' swing speed and which PING staffer has been the most impressive to work with over the years. -- Thanks to Ralph Lauren, the Official Outfitter of the United States Ryder Cup team and of GOLF's Subpar.  The RLX Golf collection is available in select Ralph Lauren stores, exclusive private clubs, and resorts, and online at RalphLauren.com. https://www.ralphlauren.com/brands-golf?&utm_source=OtherPartners&utm_medium=GolfSubparPodcastRLSponsorship_GolfSubpar_PodcastPlacement_2023_GolfSubparPodcastRLSponsorship -- Thanks as always to our official sponsor FanDuel.   If you’ve been thinking about joining FanDuel, there’s no better time to get in on the action. The app is so easy to use. They’re always giving you great odds. And when you win, you can get paid INSTANTLY! So step up to the tee and take a swing at betting the PGA TOUR. Go to FanDuel.com/Subpar and sign up for 10x your first bet up to $200 now!

Hello world. Welcome back to golf subpar and happy 4th of July, everyone. It's Colt Nost and Drew Stoltz. Sleys, the golf world just became much better. Ricky Fowler, been playing some great golf, but has been able to, unable to cross the finish line. Well, that changed this week up in Detroit at the Rocket Mortgage Classic where he picked up his six PGA tour win. First one in over four years. The crowd was going absolutely insane. He got the job done in a playoff over Colin Morikawa and Adam Hadwin. Man, I'm excited. That was so much fun to watch. It don't matter if it's Southern California at the U.S. Open or Detroit, Michigan, apparently. It's Ricky's world right now. When he's in contention, if you're not named Ricky Fowler, you ain't going to be getting a lot of cheers or a lot of rooting for you. That shot he hit on the 72nd hole, the end of regulation. Place went nuts.

There were some great shots of just the fans reacting to that shot. And man, what an enormous, enormous shot that is for Ricky Fowler, just in his career and the narrative around him. because, like, if he hadn't done that and hadn't made Bertie on the 70-second to get into that playoff, we'd be sitting here talking about, man, Ricky, close again, playing some good golf, just can't get over the hump. And now all that's put to bed. And you saw just his reaction after he made that putt on the first playoff hole. Most people fist bump, you know, fist-pump, do all kinds of crazy stuff.

He just, like, looked up at the sky, like, thank God. Thank God, this is over. I don't have to talk about it. I've won. I've completed the comeback. Now we can just go on to trying to win major championships. and he's looking pretty damn good for that Ryder Cup too, Cole.

Yeah, it was just, it was a massive exhale. If you look back, it feels like pretty much every tournament over the last several months, he's had a chance to win and just has really not got the job done on Sundays. You go to the U.S. Open, he shot 75. Here, he was in control the entire time on Sunday, it seemed like, and then all of a sudden the three putt for par at 14, not getting it up and down on 17, which everyone was birding.

But, hey, he had to birdie 18 to have any chance at all getting in that playoff and he went out there. Tugged his drive a little bit, but it ended up staying in the first cut, and then he knew. Look, there's one option here. It's for me to go right at it. I got to make birdie if I want any chance, and he did it. And I would have to think all the work that he's done with Butch Harmon is now validated. They have busted their ass and finally, you know, got that win after over four years of a winless drought

where he was down to over 185 in the world, now up to number 23. And honestly, like, over the last six months, he's probably, if you were just, going to rank the guys over the past six months. He's a top 10 player in the world. He has played that good. In 20 events this year, he's made 18 cuts. He has 15 top 25s, eight top tens and a win. Like, he's just, he's there every single time.

15 top 25s, I think, is unbelievable. Along with the only two missed cuts, if you rewind like a year or two ago, it was like, is Ricky going to be able to stay on the PGA tour, things like that? Now we're talking about Ryder Cup, major championships. He just almost won in L.A. and it's just insane. Like his reach on the game, whether you want to say it's justified

or unjustified, like he's a monster, dude. He won this golf tournament. Lil Wayne is tweeting about him. You know, how many guys in the world do you got? Like, Lil Wayne is a worldwide figure. Gone him in slime, all this type of stuff. Like, Ricky moves the needle, unlike, you know, a lot of people.

And he's handled this slump better than anyone in the history of golf, never freaked out on a reporter. You know, see any club slams, any tantrums out there, which easily he could have done. It just takes one bad moment or one question that you're sick of it. answer and you kind of freak out and boom it's all over the internet never done it once uh you i mean i think it speaks volumes colt he rolls in that put on the playoff hole you can see in the

background adam adwin's like clapping as that thing goes in i'm sure he's gutted for not winning that thing but like everyone was kind of rooting for this in some capacity i think just because they know what rick's gone through and not only that the way he's handled it too just a this is a monster can't say enough good things about him one of the nicest guys i've ever met my life rickie phaller always says the right thing always does the right thing um Even, you know, when nobody else sees it, he's there helping people out, signs every single autograph. Class Act, Ricky Fowler, congratulations. I know the entire golf world is extremely happy for you.

Sleez, it was quite the week for me. Last time we spoke, I was getting ready for my little birthday celebration in New York City, a couple incredible rounds of golf at Friars Head and Liberty National. Can't thank those guys enough for allowing us to come out. We had an absolute time. The golf wasn't that great, but the rest of the time was, and it led right over into two nights of Morgan Wallen, Ford Field in Detroit. The place was rocking.

I mean, it's going to be hard for me to ever top that birthday week. I don't even like to say birthday week. I tell everybody you get a day, but it just seemed like everybody wanted to keep celebrating me, so I allowed them to. Oh, everybody else wanted to celebrate that big day. Yeah, you were only 37 last time I talked to, dude. Now you're 38.

Growing up right before I very high. Friars had, dude, one of the best in the world. On the sleeves rankings, I think's top five. It is so damn good. many good ones up there. It doesn't get overshadowed, but like the Shinnock's and the things like that, the nationals, which are also spectacular. But Friars Edge is different, man. It's like almost the best of Coors Crenshaw. And it doesn't just kick your head in like some of those other places. It's hard. It's world class golf, but it's also just fun. It's one of the best places in the

world. That's a hell of a spot to get the post up for the big for the big three eight. It was awesome, man. Also, shout out to Franklin Hills Country Club outside of Detroit. I had a chance to go over there and play. Unbelievable golf course. If you're ever up there, I'd never heard of it. And I was blown away at how good this place was. As pure as it comes,

so much fun. So that's another one. If you ever get up there in that area, you got to check that one off your list. So much fun. Yeah, there's a lot of good golf up there in Michigan. Even the places you haven't heard of, you show up, you're like, dude,

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I mean, other than, I mean, barely ahead of Gary Woodland on the smartness scale. It's close. It's a toss-up. We're going to have to get them in there, have to take the SAT, something like that, to really figure this thing out. But yeah, he's as close as there is, I would say. All right. Well, he's the head man over at Ping, designing all those incredible golf clubs. Let's get to it. I mean, he's got a mechanical engineering background. So basically, we know nothing about what he's about to talk about, but it is fascinating. Here's Marty Jertzen on subpar. All right, folks, today, big day for us here today. Our first ever cult mechanical engineering

major on the show, haven't had any of those. And if you're a guy who's ever hit a Ping golf club, There's a good chance this man designed it right here. He's VP of fitting and performance at Ping. He's a genius. Also, as you see, the shirt, co-founder of the Stack System, which we're going to talk a lot about. His name, Marty Jertzen, Marty. The Jertie Bird.

Thank you, boys, for having me. It's going to be fun. Good to have you, my man. Three geniuses, one podcast. What could go wrong? I was just thinking, Colt, we've had some really, really smart people on the show. Gary Woodland, Brandon Stokely, come to mine. I think this might be a new smartest guy.

Those two might have just got bought. I was going to say, we've covered the entire spectrum. I was going to say Gary and now Marty Jertson. I had to throw in Stoke, too. I was like, I don't want to solely drag Gary. I'll throw in my idiots as well. But Marty, thanks so much for joining us. Let's talk a little about how you got into the game of golf.

I believe Colorado School of Mines, correct. That's right. Is their mascot, the miners, I'm guessing? Or diggers. The or. Or diggers. Or diggers. Yeah, dude.

They're up in the mountains. Exactly. It's a very big brain to go to mines. Talk to us just about how you got involved in the game of golf and what led you obviously tending up at Ping. Yeah, so I grew up in Globe, Arizona, which is a mining town. And my parents were like, hey, you know, all the wealthy's people in Globe went to the Colorado School of Mines because it's a mining school.

That's what the school's all about. And I was never quite good enough to be like, D1 player. You know, I was always losing to, you know, Ches and Charlie and Mueller. And I can never beat those guys.

So I was like, well, I'm going to go to school to go to school and not play golf. And so, yeah, ended up with the school of minds.

That's an awesome school. They got a great golf program now. Credit to Tyler Kimball up there. Jim Canehese. Jimmy. Yeah, Jimmy Hard K. Jimmy Hard K wins to the school of minds. Yeah.

And we got some good kids out playing the mini tours now that I'm sure we're going to make their way on tour here shortly. So yeah, it was awesome, man, going to school up there. But, you know, when I went there was kind of play golf casually a little bit and I skied and I'm in school. It was really hard. Like, you graduate from there. It's like survival mode, man.

But I got a little bit better when I was playing up there, like in the summertime, you know, played in the Publinks and that Ches actually won in San Antonio and I won to Colorado State Am, beat Stads, you know, in the state am. Hell, let's talk about that. Hold on, hold on. Suck that, Kev. Sorry about it, Kevin Stadler. Where was that?

That was at Saddle Rock. Yeah. I think I went, yeah, I wanted Saddle Rock back in the day. That's beautiful. Oh, yeah. I didn't know that. Yeah. So, you know.

So rumor has it Stads was just super positive Tony Robbins until you beat him that day. He used to just float around the course until you were in the journey. He took his soul from him. He never recovered. But I was just like, man, I just started overachieving a little bit. But, you know, and then when I graduated from there, I was like, well, I'll play the mini-tours. And I think I made a very smart decision and quit very fast, man. Like one year out there failed at Q school.

Yeah, I played okay in the gateway tour and all that stuff. But got right into Ping, man. And through a friend of a friend, you guys know Ryan Hoag. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. One of my best friends. He's caddy for me in a bunch of the big tournaments I've played in. And he's the one who kind of got me connected into Ping.

I just started working there full time. And I just loved it, man. I didn't really think I would use my engineering degree to design clubs or do anything. That wasn't like my goal going into school. So I kind of just got lucky getting in there. And then I mean, that's where the whole journey kind of started. Slight backtrack here because I mentioned mechanical engineering. It's pretty specific major, tough major.

When you do that, like the people you were in class with, are they building bridges and tunnels? Is that what you thought you were going to do? I was going to ask how the golf came in. Obviously, you were a golfer. But designing clubs is a little different. That's a great question. Like, you know, because the golf industry is so niche. You can't, like, go to school to learn how to design clubs.

Like, you have to learn it on the job. But most mechanical engineers, at least went to my school, man. You would go out and work on an oil rig, you know, off the coast of Alaska or Texas or something. You know what I mean? Or my school is very oil and gas. So either you go find it, geology, you learn how to get it out. You design the equipment to get it out. And you process it you sell it.

But a lot of other mechanical engineers would do, like, go. into the automotive industry, work on cars, planes, aerospace, things of that, things of that nature. Give us the first golf club you ever designed? The Rapture Hybrid. I had it. I hit it good as shit, by the way, good club. It was a good club. It left a lot, and I'm kidding.

We don't have that problem anymore. Take me through that process. You're like, okay, you're going to design a golf club and you decide a hybrid. How a hybrid of all things. Well, you know, that was the early days of hybrids, man. So I was like, I studied under, we have this kind of like apprenticeship model. You know, it's because you can't learn in school. You got to kind of study under some of the other designers.

So I would do like the grunt work, you know, make like the draw. The stuff that wasn't fun, you know, like make the drawings, make the instructions for the supplier and how to make it and things of that nature. And so the hybrid was like a good one to kind of ease my way into the design. But actually that first one I did was super complicated. It had like this tungsten blended sole plate design with some advanced manufacturing, this like high strength face. It was welded all over the place. Had this kind of swoop back crown. So actually, even though it was a hybrid seems like it might not be the most complex club to design, I started with actually kind of a challenging one.

And hybrids were like brand new, kind of just coming on the scene. Yeah, they were brand new. Kind of coming on the scene. When you look at that rapture hybrid that you designed then compared to like what Ping has now, are you like, oh my God? Yeah. Is that like that was when we were in horseback and now we're in cars? I mean a little bit, you know what I mean? But it was cool. We designed because we needed to bend those on tour. I mean, those days that hybrids did go kind of left. We solved that problem now for the better player. But I designed these like molds where you could go take them in the tour truck and kind of yank them around, bend the line gl in the loft and things of that nature. Hybrids kept me on tour a lot longer than I should have been. Yeah, this is the guy. I'm a hybrid guy. I played back in college, I played a Ping hybrid for sure. But yeah, yeah, those things are life. savers. If I had to hit a two iron, I would have been doing a podcast way sooner.

Dude, Joaquin is hitting a five hybrid as his four iron. He's played five hybrid five iron. He loves that thing. I feel like just right now, like more of them are leaning into that three and four. Yeah, I haven't heard many fives, but three and four. Yeah, we talked to Joaquin. Yeah, and he was, he was really funny. He was like, because it's such an ego thing for him. He's like, where should I put it? Should I take my four iron out and put it in there? Should I put it with the woods? You know? hide it. Hide it under your truck. At the U.S. Open, I was looking through Dustin Johnson's back. He has a seven and a nine wood. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it just shows, man, Cole, you know, man, you got to get that ball up in the air, man.

You got to elevate that thing. But we got these 12 handicappers thinking it's cool to carry a two iron. I'm like, what are you guys doing? This game's so hard. Dude, those days are gone, man. If DJ can hit it, then the stigma's gone. Exactly. I mean, if he walks in with a nine wood back, get me one of them thing. I play, when I go to play the Colorado Open, because the ball flies lower and elevation. I put the five hybrid in as my four iron and it's freaking awesome. Love it. So easy.

There's no reason, honestly, not to have them. Three and four for every golfer and then five probably for most, but it's like you hit a three iron and then they're like, hey, hit this. Tell me which one when you hit it shitty, tell me which one's which you do most of the time. Unless you live in

Midland, Texas where the average wind speed is like 35 miles an hour, you should not have a three iron. True. Yeah. True. What do you think I was going to like, what do you think like the biggest, obviously technology has changed so much in the game of golf over the last, ever since you've been involved in Ping? What's the one thing that like people might not think of that has changed the game the most? Like during what? You're thinking like the last 10, 20 years?

Like technology wise. Like something like, I mean, is it a shaft? Is it something in the head? Like people are now putting carbon in their driver heads. Like what is one thing that people might not think of? I think it, I think it's this, well, this technology came out where we could cap. titanium really really thin and that allowed like you think of the drivers getting big and 460 and having center gravities that are way back and being so

forgiving this manufacturing process is pretty cool it's called centrifugal vacuum casting I'll tell you about it later yeah yeah film in later I'll explain it later on the breakdown but it's like it's where you melt the titanium I'm gonna kind of simplify here but you melt the titanium and you you have the molds for your drivers in a big circular thing and you suck all the air out of there. So it's like you take all the impurities out that could end up in the titanium. And all these parts are spinning really fast.

And when you melt the titanium in, because there's no air in there, and because it's spinning, the titanium flows and gets pushed to the end through centrifugal force. And that allows us to make the wall thickness on your driver is like three pieces of paper thick. You know what I mean? it's like one hair one the diameter of your hair thin your hair. And so I think. Damn near invisible. So that's been like I think like one of the big meta technologies that has allowed

drivers to get big and wall thicknesses to get really thin. It's so wild because like you know we were using I guess 20 years as our reference right. It's like clubs have gotten so good. If you look at just like the from the pro v era go back and look at what you're, I remember when the great big birth that came out. I was like, and I had it. it. I got it. I was like, cheating. This is, it's over. How can you ever not hit it far and good with this thing? Now you look at that and like, oh my God, that's an artifact. How do you keep getting

better? Like there has to be a limit at some point because the trampoline effect is only so much, right? So how do you keep getting better on each release? Oh, dude, that's fair. That is such a great question, man, because I think that's one of the biggest things. I think most golfers think, like, oh, manufacturers up against all these limits. How can you keep getting better, dude? we are working on so many research things that you can get better, you know, in working within the boundaries of the rules. So I'll give you a few examples. Like, you know, the ultimate goal is to make the driver go faster, right? Or one of the goals make the driver go faster.

So a way to do that is you can make the driver perform aerodynamically better, right? Terpulator. Yeah, exactly. So it's like, well, how do you do that? There's no, like the USGA doesn't have a rule necessarily on like aerodynamic. of the driver. They have a rule on like features. You can't put features in a certain place. But we worked on turbulence to try to solve that problem to help you swing the driver faster. And it didn't, it worked within the boundaries of the rules, right? It's like getting two miles an hour

club head speed for free. Another example right now, like on our G430 driver, is instead of making the driver more forgiving because we're, you know, we are working within like, we're approaching the limits of forgiveness within the rules. We changed the face curvature because we guys hit the driver thin. You know, it launches low, it balloons. If you're playing in a crosswind, you're like crap. You know what I mean? So we changed the loft on the driver, low on the face so that when you hit it thin,

the spin stays the same as when you hit it in the middle. And it makes the driver act like it's 20% more forgiving than it actually is. Like we would have to make the M.O.I go up by 20% to get that level of like forgiveness. So you just keep like stacking these things that we got we got more things coming down the pipe. You just kind of layer it on, layered on, layered on. And that's how we're continued to like make clubs better. That 430 is sick. It's really good.

I feel like everybody using it. We went out to the ASU event, college event. I'm telling you more than 50%. Yeah. We're playing that thing. Yeah. Quite often the number. the number one model on tour.

I think's good. Yeah. Really, really good. The technology has just been wild. What was the reaction at Ping when the USG announces they're proposing this rolling back of the ball? Yeah, that's a... A suck ball. This will be good combo.

Yeah, that's a tricky one, man. I think all of us are even the tour players and even a lot of the industry is like, you know, we're kind of thinking about solving that problem for the time. 0.1%. You know what I mean? So I don't know. I think we at Ping are very focused on helping the everyday golfer and we're not, you know, I think however that's going to shake out, we've kind of put our, you know, official response out there in the form that you're allowed to do with the USGA to kind of consider the health of the game. I mean, the game is exploding. Like let's all hunker down and keep that momentum going. You know what I mean? And how realistic is it on, like you're

in the manufacturing industry, you're a perfect guy to ask. My argument for this is like, okay, Let's say PJ Torres says that. Guys are hitting it too far, dude. We have a ball. Here's the rules that can only go, whatever the specifications and the rules, right? But it's going to be way shorter, basically. Yeah. Okay.

So they're going to go to the manufacturers. I know Ping's not a big ball manufacturer. We're like, hey, guys, you know that sweet ball you make that's really good? Yeah, we're going to need to make you one that's just way shittier. By the way, and just spend a bunch of money on the R&D. You're going to need to produce this thing. And then also, by the way, you're not going to sell it to anyone because nobody wants it. It's just for these guys.

Go ahead and do that. Somebody's got to fund the R&D. is that going to make that golf ball is that realistic that that could be like is that what happens if i don't think they're going to ever do it i'm on the record saying that but if they did like the manufacturers are going to throw their arms up like are you out of your brain yeah i mean somebody's got to fund it if there is a ball for the pGA tour players somebody's got to pay for the rd and manufacturing and all that stuff and they don't sell it exactly and then my point would be tell me if you think this is true too let's as though they do that and somebody if the

manufacturers fund it somebody else somebody's spending money right yeah i always thought it would be on the manufacturers to do it but then like what happens all right we We're spending a bunch of money. We're making no money. All right. So make our other dozen balls that people actually do buy. We got to recoup that. They're not just going to take L's.

That's not what they do. So a dozen balls, that goes up $25 a box. Yeah. I mean, my co-founder at the stack, Sasha McKenzie, he kind of weighed in on this topic, is that if you do roll the ball back, you'll make all the athletes on the PJ tour. It's already happening a little bit, right?

In five to 10 years, they will figure out how to hit the ball back into that same spot. Like, we're not even close. You know, everyone's going to be swinging in, at 130 to 140 miles an hour. Like, yeah, Martin Borgmeier and these guys swinging at 140, 150. Like, the PJ Tour play will have,

will evolve into that to hit the ball that goes shorter back into the same spot we're hitting in now. And you will eliminate having the shorter players even more on the PJ tour if you implement that ball rule. I mean, it's a really good kind of thought. experiment to kind of think about it that way, I think. I'm just, I'm interested to hear your, your thoughts like, because I'm so against bifurcation.

Like, I don't want the people at home to play a different golf ball or equipment. I think one thing that's really cool about the game of golf is the average dude can go out and buy the same clubs that, you know, one of your ping staff tour players plays. You can't just show up at Fenway Park and go take batting practice. Like, I think that's one of the things that makes golf really cool. I love, yeah, no, Cole, I'm in the same boat, man. I totally agree. it is cool you can look at the tour players you can look at what they're doing how they're playing golf the

equipment they're using you can try to be like them man i'm i'm i'm i got i'm of the same opinion yeah staying on that i mean of all the guys you you've worked some of the best players in the world who when they showed up that like maybe you hadn't spent that much time with was the most impressive oh man i think uh i think hunter in his hunter in his heyday yeah i mean spending time watching him hit balls like literally never missed a shot, you know, on our staff. Like Hunter, uh, Westwood, Westwood is actually quite impressive when he was like, like, hanging around number one in the world from a ball striking standpoint. But I would say, I would say, H, like his ball striking in watching him hit

drivers, man, just perfect over and over during his prime was very impressive. I always thought when he was in his heyday, like nobody drove it better than him. Correct. Yeah. Like for combined, like distance and accuracy. Yeah. It was sweet, man. I remember when we launched the, well, actually, it was the first time we showed any tour player Turbulators. I flew out to Dallas National, went to the range. It's just me, him, our tour rep at the time, and then Sean Foley.

And I showed him the driver with Turbulators. And Sean Foley starts looking at things like, what are these things called? You know? And I was like, oh, those are Turbulators. And then he starts busting out in this rap song about, Turbulators. Mount up. Did you name them?

The turbulators? No, it's actually kind of semi-actually like the scientific. That's what it is called. Correct name. But Hunter freaking was flush in that thing, man. Hunter didn't miss from like age 12 to age 40, basically. Yeah, not one shot. From hitting it out of the middle perspective.

Bubba, I've heard some stories because I was being guy in there. Like when he first, and you hadn't seen anybody, A, swinging it that hard and B moving it, like, hitting his iron. where like, I mean, like, yeah, aim at that flag. That's your target. And like none of them, they would start, you know. Oh, so fun. It's like he's messing around on the range, but that's actually how he plays.

Yeah, exactly. That's actually how I played. I mean, so, I mean, I think, yeah, Bubba was very fun to watch. He was very unique to work with because his needs were so different than every other player. It kind of challenged us, you know, like his work, like how much he moved and worked the ball and how much he interacted with the ground and the size of his divets and things of that nature were very unique for us to be able to optimize and build clubs for him. He was one of my favorites to play, which is because it was fascinating.

I don't feel like he knew which way he was going to curve it until right before he pulled the trigger. He would move back and forth, and all of a sudden he's like, okay, I'm going to hook this nine and 30 yards. Oh, yeah. I mean, this is amazing. Now, I played a little bit of golf in a few majors. I always played my practice rounds with Miguel Jimenez.

And I tell you what, man, you know, he didn't hit that. He didn't hit that far, but he could hit his, talk about high lofted fairy woods, man. He carried three, five, seven, nine or whatever. And we'd be out on a par three. I'd be hitting like a five or six iron in there. He'd pull out a wood. And I swear to God, he could hit his like seven wood closer. His dispersion pattern was closer than my sandwich.

Like his fairway wood play is unbelievable. It's like numb nuts over here. Oh, we're going with numnuts. Number four, the number four hybrid when we're talking about Gary. Yeah, when he pulls that thing out, I'm like, I'd rather him be hitting six iron without question. Exactly. And this is going to come in at it. I might be putting a six hybrid in pretty soon the way I've been playing lately.

It's not good. We make them. We make a seven hybrid. Head cover. You mentioned, Marty, you mentioned major championships. I believe you played in six. What are some of your takeaways? You made the, first of all, you made the cut at Beth page.

So obviously you just wanted to torture yourself for two more days because that place is just miserable to play. But what were some of your takeaways from your major championships? hips. Oh, dude, it's freaking tough out there, man. I mean, the rough, people are like, oh, they just don't understand, like, you can't even describe, like, how thick the rough is. You know what I mean? Like, you hit in the rough at, I mean, Wingfoot. I played the Wingfoot in 2020, the major that literally had no fairways. You know what I mean? And then, and then Beth page, man, you're just like, oh, man, just go ahead and give me the lob wedge or sandwich, like, walking off the T-box. Like, it is, the rough is so penalizing.

out there. And actually, like, I think in most tournaments, Colts, like, you don't need to practice your 50-yard shot, but in the majors, you actually do, because you drive it down there, and then you hack it out of the rough, and you're going to be, like, 50, 80 yards out to try to get it, try to get up and down. But, yeah, the majors are, the majors are, like, I think, you know, I played in Vegas, I played in the Phoenix Open in the Vegas event a handful of times, but, I mean, the majors, even for the tour players, like, it's the next level challenge. And then he put me or the club pros out there and the Michael Blocks out there in trying to hang with those big boys.

I think the key for me is the importance of driving. Like you got to drive that ball so good. And that's why I did really good at Bethpage, like especially those first two days. I mean, I putted good. I had a couple good putting rounds. But I finally kind of drove it like you needed to. And in Arizona golf, like you just like you don't need to get the driver that good per se. Like it's not a premium on that.

Or even like corn fairy. It's not just, you know, until you get to that level with those guys. Yeah. Yeah. Is that the biggest, like, he has your takeaway. Like, is that the big, when you, you're really, really good. You're plus four, five, whatever, you're pro. You played in tournaments.

You're as good as people have seen before. And then you go to that. When you come away from that and you get your head kick most of the time. Or is it strictly the driver? Like from seven iron, I'm fine. I can hang with these guys. But it's just I can't get it in. I would say the number one thing is like driving.

And it's like you've got to hit it far and straight. Like you can't do one or the other. They both got to be down there, man. And that's why the Keppcos and the DJs of the world, like, dominating these majors is like the number one thing you got to do. And then after that, I think it's being able to hit your long irons high and stop them. And even at Bethpage, like those long par 3s. And that's what I did from 18 to 19.

I got way more speed. I hit my long irons high and far and I drove it really good. And I got more pop. You know, I was like 20 yards further. when I played in 18 at Belrieve to in 19 when I made the cut play good at at Bethpage was like getting more speed and driving the ball way better is that when so we got to talk about stack you got it on the shirt here it's this thing has exploded if you haven't checked it out check it out the stack system you Dr. Sasha basically get faster swing do what everyone

wants to do in golf get longer hit it further totally you created an actual system for it where you can track it and do all this stuff is that A is that when that one that when you develop that like I got to drive it better if I want to play in these things yeah yeah yeah just kind of talk about like conceptualizing that and put taking it to market yeah so that that that was kind of my story there is like I played in the I played in the PJ championship in 18 and I would describe myself as sneaky short like I play with luke list uh and in and in chap that make I mean they're gonna make you feel that sneaky but I play with chappy in the first those in the first two rounds he started moving it crazy a handful of years ago yeah he was in it really far high all of a sudden

He used to hit it super low. So it was like, it was like me out there at 285. Then it was chappy at 305 and then Luke, you know, like a mile down there. And I was like, that's when it like I had that aha moment. Like I need to like change my game because I could get here again, but I'm going to fail again. You know what I mean? And that was like that became like my mission. So that's where like the whole mission to like gain more speed.

And I think that's something I've done kind of in my career is try to productize solutions that have been like kind of needed for myself. You know what I mean? Like a little bit of skin in the game. And Sasha was doing this cool research. He helped me get stronger through like dead lifting protocol, this type of stuff. And he was doing this cool research. We were working with him on Ping of doing like very specific over under training where it's like you need to have very specific loads and swing it a, you know.

Explain over under. Over under is you, you swing a certain percentage of your club head speed a little bit faster and a certain percentage of your club head speed a little bit slower. So like the whole concept of speed training, I think sounds easy. Like, oh, I'm going to speed train. Well, what in the world does that even mean? You know what I mean? It's like a mystery to it.

It's not just swinging something like way heavier, way lighter. Sosho did the research to figure out, okay, we need to have weights on the club that you can have that's customized for you and you and me. All of our weight that we're going to have is going to be very different. And swinging a certain percentage faster and slower. And if you do that in the right timing every like three or four day, you know, two or three days and you do the right protocol of percentage over percentage under, you can unlock some like amazing speed gains. And this is totally different than like fitness. Like you got you got to be fit. You got to be strong.

But then speed training is like a mutually exclusive skill that you want to kind of marry those two things together. And that's where it all started, man. And I worked on it and got faster. And that helped power me to doing good there in 19. with the with the stack system obviously y'all've had a tremendous amount of success sold a gazillion of them talk about though i think i think the world really found out about it with matt fitzpatrick and when he won the u.s. open because like that was a guy who i said like no disrespect over four days he could contend with the best players in the world especially when the golf course was hard

but like he would go to the rider cup and trying to play a singles match against dustin johnson of those guys in an 18 old sprint like he got worn out because he was he was short and now this dude can get it over 180 miles an hour. All the time he's over 180. Like every time I watch on TV, man, it's like 180. It's like long now. He's long. Went from like short-ish.

Yeah. To long. Yeah. So like two years ago, two, two and a half years ago, he was, he could not break 170 ball speed. He's like stuck in the 160s, maybe even like mid-160s. Go at one 168. Couldn't get over. And it's like pretty much literally the only thing he's done is exclusively train with the stack.

Sasha has kind of helped him look at his data, kind of manage his training program and be a little bit more hands-on with it. But he literally uses like the exact same product, you know, you get in the algorithm. And so he did it. He trained on the stack religiously for about a year and a half. So it wasn't like, hey, six weeks and off you go, which will get you a bump, but you got to keep investing in it. So we've plotted his speed over the last like two years and you can go on data golf or whatever and look at the his average driving distance just went like just went do do do do do do do do and he just kind of went going going up going up and he peaked right right there uh about a about a year ago now is when

his ball speed really started to peek out and he's you guys saw him at the u.s open man he drove that green on the on the par fours the only got i think hit the green on that that drivable par four um and his ball speed is like incredible so he's been amazing we've got a ton of guys doing it the two guys who've gained the most speed on the PJ tour last year were Matt Fitzpatrick and Victor Hovlin and they both use the stack in that process. That's sick. And the cool thing about both of those guys and Victor I never thought of as like slow, but I guess everybody wants more obviously the way the game is going.

But neither of those guys lost like any accuracy. It's not like Matt was. Correct. You know what I mean? It wasn't like, oh, now I hit it. I'm 20 further, but I missed two or three more fairways around. Then it's kind of like, all right, does it net out? But like both of this system, for whatever reason, I haven't used it.

I'm excited to start using it now. Yep. But like it doesn't seem like anyone gets more crooked, which sometimes when people are like, I'm just going to start swinging harder. Like, all right, yeah, maybe you do, but you're going to, you lose one around. It's like, all right, well, it doesn't really net out. Exactly. And for me, like, I don't practice.

I don't have a lot of time to practice too. I got my job and run the stack, my family, all that stuff. I'm like, it's a really good way to get a lot of reps in and work on your mechanics. Like we were kind of talking about it, if you want to work on some feels, some waggle, some swing things and not have the car. consequence of hitting the ball. It's actually kind of a cool effect you get with the stack. So yeah, no, it's been amazing, man. We have like close to 25,000 people doing it. We've recorded about 10 million swings. And we're actually using the research we did on the stack. This is really

cool to drive our optimal head weights on our ping drivers because it's like a big scientific experiment. With all the different weights and say you're like, oh, they swing faster here. Let's make one like that. Exactly, man. So we went into. figure out, okay, we're designing our next ladies product. How do they swing it? We went into the stack data and we're like, how sensitive are they to when we take off and add weight? Let's look at the juniors. Let's look at the older golfers, you know, and we create these different segments and we use that to optimize our head weights and our ping drivers. That's so cool. So like for the person listening at home, if they go pick the stack system up, like how much speed

do you think they could gain in six months? If they actually, you know, follow the app religiously and dedicated themselves to doing it. Yeah, and we're, we're, Cole, like, we're very transparent, man. Like, if you're already, like, doing a lot of things, you know, you're, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your odds of gaining the average amount of club head speed, which our user gains, they're going to be a little bit less because you're already doing a bunch of stuff. You know what I mean?

Like Victor's already doing tons of stuff. He's still got faster, but if you've never done speed train before, our average user is gaining six miles an hour in clubhead speed in six weeks. What does that relate to distance while? Dude, so that's going to be like 15 to 20 yards depending on your long conditions. 15 to 20 yards in six weeks. And then, and it's not like you have to do it every day. You actually get penalized in the app for doing it every day.

It's like lifting weights, man. You don't want to do go bench press every day. You want to bench three times a week or two times a week. So the stack is like that. It's about a 15 to 20 minute workout. And you do it every two to four days. And the first program that everyone goes through takes six weeks. And then after you do that, you go through an assessment where you swing your driver and a bunch of the other weights.

The app will, through AI, which is kind of like having Sosho's brain literally in the app. So the guy who coach Fitzpatrick literally in the app figures out the next program for you that you should do. So like let's say one of the questions you ask is like, man, I'm real strong. This would be like like stallings. You know what I mean? It's like super strong, but maybe he lost speed. He lost that fast twitch fiber and he's been stacking. he would get a different program that would light up his fast twitch muscle fibers where you might get a different program recommended in there, right?

That's more heavy stuff like we call the heavy hitter, you know. So yeah, it's got all these different programs in there that are driven through AI, which is sweet. That's sick. And it's not for like, you know, you mentioned Matt and Victor, okay? They're different. A lot of 99.9% of the world ain't that. But it's for like you could swing at 90. Like my dad could use it.

Or, dude, you swing at 1-10. Like, that's kind of where I hover. You know what I mean? It's for every. There's still gain. What's the most you've seen anyone? Oh, man. This guy named Josh Axler.

He made Fitzpatrick look silly, man, dude. So this guy trained on it for one year. Followed the app. That's all he did, dude. He followed the app. He trained on for one year. He gained 22 miles an hour of club at speed. Oh, my God.

And he got better golf. From what to what? Where was it? He went from like around 100-ish, or 105 to like 130 from club speed. I mean, that's like going from your club championship, maybe championship flight guys that win it, 105ish, maybe somewhere in there to top of the world.

And he got better at golf, dude. His handicap went from like six to he became like a scratch golfer in that one year, obviously. He said it's 60 yards. Yeah, so Josh Axler, dude, this guy is amazing. But yeah, we have all age ranges using it. So we make like a junior one, it's like three inches shorter. And it's because our hardware goes from no weights on it.

So it's like mega light to 300 grams on it. So we have like Martin Borgmeier, long as hitter in the world can use it as well. And so we have age ranges from like seven-year-olds, like juniors doing it. And they love it. They love the app and everything to follow it. And we have some 80 and 90-year-olds doing it that are gaining speed.

That's awesome. So it's like the hardware spans every spectrum. You know what I mean? What did you gain when you said you went from my 2008? or whatever it was. You said, I'm not long enough, straight enough. I got to, if I want to play in major championships, I'm going to make, I want to hang around. I got to do that. How much did you get? What were you swinging at the time? And then now at your peak. Yeah, no, I kind of, maybe a little less than Fitzpatrick, but like my ball speed was like I couldn't get over 170. I was like

165 to 167 there in 2018. And then I trained. And I bet when I was playing on the course there at Bethpage, I was, I was high 170s. So a good 10 miles an hour in ball speed. gamer ball speed yeah gamer ball speed that's yeah no i mean i could i could uh kind of do long drivey type of techniques on the range and yeah pump it up to 185 ball speed but my playing ball speed like your ceiling just goes up you know what i mean uh into the high 170s which is game changer out there well i highly recommend it and sleaze i mean if you start it maybe you can finally get rid of that silver medal and get a gold at the four ball can you guarantee me a non runner up at the four ball you win i'll have

tattoo your logo right here on the dome piece. Let's do it. Done. That's verbal binding. Guaranteed up. Yeah, walking in. Guaranteed dove. I like it.

Don't matter how many trannies I drink or any of that. You don't need any more of those silver metals. You got enough for those. I'm the tin man over here. I love it. Should we get to the E9 slice? Let's do some E9. I might throw a couple little bonus balls in here on the E9 too.

Yeah, I've got a couple as well. But Marty, we ask this to everyone. You can trade lives with anyone for a day. Walk in their shoes. They can be dead alive, but you get to be them for a day. Who would it be? And don't say Drew Stoltz. I expect something interesting and not me.

Now, will that be a hell? There's some good days. I know he's a controversial figure, but man, Elon Musk. Like, because I've, like, I love the entrepreneurial side. I love the engineering side. Like, my kids are all into, like, SpaceX. I've been to SpaceX, a bunch of us from Team, from Ping, went over there to SpaceX. No shit.

I'm just like, I own a Tesla. You know, I'm like all into the software updates and like, I know he's kind of a controversial figure in some other regards, but man, I would say like one day being him and working on like Tesla things, SpaceX things, business things would be like super fascinating. But what about the day when you have to fight Mark Zuckerberg? Exactly what I was getting to. Body Zuckerberg.

You get the body suck. I heard that might be in the Coliseum. The rumors, do you hear that? It could be fought in the Coliseum. Wow. The pay-per-view numbers would be, they can solve world problems. And it'll be a bigger letdown than Mayweather Pac-Yow. Without, it'll be 30 seconds of fury and then both guys have been like,

I ain't got any left. I'm a billionaire. Unless Elon's on some crazy, he can put a chip in his brain. Well, he tricks his body. I know, that's what I'm saying. Okay, Elon Musk. I like that. First, Elon Musk.

You might be not as smart as you are current day. Is that a factor? You go backwards in intellect? That could happen. Just think about that before you commit. All right, this one's for the listeners, and we kind of touched on it, but it might be a different answer. Game improvement question. One simple thing, the average player out there could change in terms of their bag or their bag setup that would improve their game the most.

Is it like, do you see too many guys playing blades when they shouldn't be? Is it, you know, their driver's too long, or they need more hybrids like we talked about? Is there one thing you see constantly, just with like equipment change, you could get better? Yeah, my brain went to like, what are the most important clubs for scoring? And it's the driver number one and the putter number two. And so I would say driver, man, like just like getting the right launch conditions on your driver. Like that's like getting the right ball speed, launch, spin, the right length and max out your driver. Because that's going to matter.

It's like the most important club for scoring. You hit it on nearly every hole. Statistically, strokes gained, all that stuff, how you want to look at it, is like getting the right launch conditions in your driver. That's like the lowest hanging fruit. So like a proper fitting, basically. Proper fitting, man.

If you're going to do anything, make sure your driver's dialed. Get your driver dialed. Get the most dial. Okay, I'll piggyback off that with my next one because I think a lot of people, they ask me, like, how important is the shaft in a driver? And it cracks me up because there'll be some shafts that are $100 and some that are $1,200. Like for you, like, how important is the shaft

and why are these things so expensive? Yeah, I mean, well, why are they expensive, man? The materials are expensive in shafts. So, like, to make, like, high modulus, one of the fun things about my job is I've been to literally, probably almost every golf factory in the world, man. Nip on the mountains of Japan, carbon fiber, pre-prank places, all this stuff.

And the manufacturing of the carbon fiber, like the high modulus lightweight carbon fiber is super expensive. So that's kind of why they're expensive. Shaff fitting is very important, but it's like it's an individual thing to every golfer. Like the role of the shaft is to kind of is to deliver the right loft, like dynamic loft in the face conditions. And then you want to have the shaft respond to how you transition, like that change of direction. And like if you get if you get a shaft is too weak for you, Drew, and you like yank on the handle hog. and it's going to be flopping around, dude.

It's going to send your psychology crazy and it's going to deliver erratically down at the bottom. So the whole secret to getting the right shaft is something that matches how you transition it, like your, how you apply force and torque during the transition is like the secret sauce. And that's why you find players called that like play the same shaft for like their whole career or the same style of shaft. Because they're they transition, they have a certain like signature going on there. So you want to kind of match that and then you want to use it to control the face delivery to either add a little bit of loft or take off a little bit of loft and then you can use torque to make the face be delivered more open if you want to as well.

So like the shafts are like super individual and it's not the number one driver of performance though. Like you want to focus on the head model first, tune the shaft to you and to make a little micro tweaks to the ball flight. Yeah. You mentioned that how some guys just stick with the same one. I believe John Robb just switched for the first time in like 15 years. He played the same one forever.

And also, Sleez is known as a yanker of the shaft. There's many things that do well, not many better than yank in the shaft. I get the right fitting, man. Yanking the shaft, ball striking. Kind of go hand in hand. You with me? A little pun there. We're rolling nicely on this.

You want to add one? You want to throw one in? Come out. I will give you a chance. This is impressive. This is 843 in Scottsdale, time. and we're firing pretty good. And the brain's already firing.

It's crazy. I'm all levered up right where I belong. It's that accelerator you're drinking. Exactly. I'm going to go stack until my heart explodes. I'm going to hit seeds by the time you get back. I'm interested in this right here. We won't give you all equipment questions, but this is cool.

All right. Someone comes to you. You have zero rules so you have to abide by. Cost is a non-factor. You can have whatever material of anything that's available in the world that you want. and your whole job is to make an illegal driver that goes as far as humanly possible. And I'll use you as the comp since we've been talking about your game. How much distance could you gain if you could build yourself the most illegal driver in the world?

This is a fun question, man. I think... And will you do that and can I have one? Oh, geez, man. Okay, so how to do it. I think the boundaries would be could you bring in any outside energy? You know what I mean? No, I don't.

I have any idea what that means. No, that means could you prime the driver, man? Could you put like an explosive in it? Oh, dynamite in the driver. If you can do that, man. I mean, if it doesn't kill you, you can do it, you can do whatever you want. I'm just saying, build me to the longest club. That's what I would do.

I would make something that you could put in there and prime it that would, right when you got, like, down to P6, you're coming into P7, into impact. Shelf's parallel of the ground. This explosive goes off. On the back of the driver, makes it like a miniature rocket or jet, flies right in there. that ball go a mile. USGA would love that. That's not what I was expecting. I was like, well, I need this material that only NASA can get access to.

I didn't expect an exploding explosive driver. That would be sick, though. Exactly. That would sell. All right, next one. Ping has been a great supporter of the college and amateur game. Give us, in your opinion, a future star we're going to see in the game of professional golf. That's obviously not out there yet.

Oh, man. That's a great one. We got him thinking. I got one. I mean, my mind is on, well, I know he just turned pro, but man, Sam Bennett. He plays really good professional events. I mean, it was, it's hard for me to kind of go past that because he's so impressive, like he, that he's, he plays good in those big events.

Like, he shows up when it matters. I'm very impressed by that. And hard golf courses. In hard golf courses. He seems to love that. Yeah, so he's, he thrives on that. And he kind of goes against the odds. You know what I mean?

And that's why I think I would, I'm very bold. on him going forward he's got that dog he does have the dog exactly but he doesn't like look at his swing on video cold he doesn't know how fast he doesn't all the stuff that everyone knows everything about maybe too much about he's like no i don't even do if i just want my ball to do this which i love yeah and that's why my mind that's why my mind went to him because he's kind of the anti he's like the anti you know what i mean um so yeah i'm i'm bullish on him okay i like some good Coming up in the AM side. Incredible club twirl, Sam Bennett.

Yeah, true. True. Stans over it a bit long. We'll get to that. You could tighten that up just a fraction, but he's playing damn good. He plays good in professional events. Okay, hypothetical here.

And we're talking about the ball rollback. I'm going to take it a little bit more. Assuming the golf world starting today, bam, you let go back, Persimmon and Bellata. It's capped right there. Whatever the peak of Persim and Bilada was, does the top 10 in the world golf rankings change?

And if so, how? Oh, for sure. Yeah, no. I think a little bit of what we talked about earlier is you wouldn't you can have shorter players that were more artistic thrive more with with the persimine and blotta. So you're saying persimine and bala combo. You think the crooked get the longer like crooked is the ball out and now it spins more if you're a guy that's I'm long but I'm not super accurate now those misses become even yeah I think it would be more

like my brain goes to like a Nick Faldo archetype of player like would thrive a little bit more with that type of, with the constraint of, of, of, uh, of, uh, persimmon and ballada. Like there'd be more of a premium on shopmaking, shaping, controlling your ball flight. The wind, like playing in the wind becomes like a way bigger premium. And there's wind on freaking every shot. So, so being able to, to manipulate your trajectory, control your trajectory. The, the premium on distance would be toned back a little bit. It would still be important, but it'd be toned back slightly compared to the

modern game. So there'd be a good shakeup. And that's why like, I mean, I say like, Tiger, in my opinion, Tiger is the greatest to ever play. But I think technology hurt him. It brought the rest of the players closer to him. He was so far past everyone else. If the technology would have, you know, stayed what it was 10, 15 years ago. Yeah, I agree. I mean, I think you could look at Nicholas in a similar light, right, um, as, as, as Tiger. Yeah, no, I agree. I mean, you know, they put all these, those kind of things in there and some of the technology, cut up and and Tiger was a late adopter to some of those things. Yeah, it was steel shaft for for long, when dudes were graph-upy.

He was steel shaft. PT-93 Wood, which is the most impossible club to hit on planet Earth. Yeah, he was the late adopter to that. He was a late adopter to the, you know, on the ball changed a little bit. I mean, even, well, when he played RIV this year, he played the Tour BX ball from the Tour BXS, which is a ball you could curb more and he loved it. Yeah. You know what I mean?

So he was even a late adopter to that and he was bombing it out there, obviously. Yeah. I'm with Colt. If they'd change, if they never changed, he'd won everything. Say what? He pretty much did. But yeah. All right.

This is my last one. What would your response and, you know, the Solheim family at Ping? You know, you take care of this young kid all through college. He gets out there. He's on the jicky jacks. He makes this appearance in his first PGA tour event. And he takes a check for $5,000 to switch to a different driver and hybrid. What would the people at Ping think of that?

I can tell you what they thought of it. Just in this hypothetical. Just say it if it never happened. Do you even know that story? No. Oh God. I don't know if he knew because he's in there building the shit. Who is this guy?

There's this legendary dude back in the day. A lot of hype. A lot of hype, a lot of speed, a lot of swag out of this kid. But he just never really was getting his opportunity. And finally gets his way through a Monday down in Myakoba. And he's known for driving the ball straight, not the longest. However, at the time in the race for arms, there was some manufacturers. Offering big cash, huge cash, game changer cash, 5K, just to change out all the head covers in your bag for the week for the little survey or whatever.

And, you know, some guys have off the course issues, things they got to handle. They need that money. And the guy took it and then drove it into the fucking mangroves more than any guy to ever play that golf. I went from 14 fairways in the Monday, straightest driver in history to just, where do you think? right here, drop right here. How'd that turn out for you? I had Sevi by Astero's could not have squeezed a better score out of round one than I did. I think it was up and down from bunkers.

I mean, just, you know, for bogeys, it was just, it didn't work out well. But great choice. Good question, but they don't like it. Well, there's a reason we're the most played driver by non-staff players on the PJ tour. Yeah. Maybe those guys out there learn their lesson. Maybe they're not obviously not offering 5K to play some other stuff right now. You know what I mean?

Times have changed. Inflation, all that shit. Okay, here we go. Here we go. This question's been done, but this is specifically to ping players in your opinion. Okay, build your ultimate ping player modern day. You got your, pick me a ping guy. This is your T-ball, your driver.

Your best iron player, your best wedge player, short game player, putter. Go through. You're building the ultimate guy. Let's see. Driver, start. Start with the driver, man. I mean, it's, I don't know if it's recency bias, but like modern day Victor, maybe. Modern day Victor.

Victor or Tony would be. Yeah, Tony. Yeah, Tony's up there too, man. That camp fellow hits it pretty far. Yeah. Yeah, he hits it really far, man. So I'd say modern day Victor, camp champs up there. Iron player.

Man, Corey Connors, man. Might not be the flashiest guy. I forgot about Corey. I was going to say Tyrell. Dude, for sure. Yeah, Terrell's proximity to the whole of his irons is quite phenomenal. He's, I mean, they're darts. Yeah.

Hunter's a tough one too. Okay, so I got to go to modern day because Hunter would be like. Okay, so modern day. Yeah. I would go Victor on the, on the T-ball. Okay. I would go Corey Connors for iron play. What's next?

Wedges, or if you want to morph wedges in a short game, you can. Man, Terrell. Terrell stuffs the wedges. And his short game's crafty. But you know him and Louis, you know, Louis's still playing a little bit. I don't know if he's, we kind of can kind of get him in that. Got Louis for the first two categories for a while. Yeah, exactly.

And then putter. I couldn't come up with a putter. Dude, so putter actually, I'm going to go like, Terrell's putting stats are good. So I think we can go. McKinsey's pretty good putter. Yeah, Mac is a great putter, man. I would go, I would probably go Mac. Yeah, that would be a good one for the point.

I would go Mac. You like that squad? Would you change any of that, Colt? I would take Tyrol and everything just because I love him. Dude, same. Is it? Same. Do you have to spend extra time designing special Tyrell clubs that are unbreakable and react better

to throwing? Yes, is that a lot of your time? Yeah, about 50%. Here's our normal 430. We got you one. Yeah, it's made the wall thickness is a little. It's bulletproof. Yeah, it's a little heavier.

He's the best. He's such a, such a beast. I love him. You got any more? Marty? that's it dude i'm going to go stack my ass off and start hitting let's stack seeds yeah we're going to seriously for everyone listening if you haven't checked it out you want to get longer this system rave reviews from everybody that's out there that's been using it it works

major champions all that got the smartest guy in the biz behind it um marty thank you so much for coming in dude we know you're busy busy man keep up the great work keep designing great shit and uh you promised me a gold medal so i'll be in touch that's right we'll see you next year after you get it done you got thanks marty marty jurtson me boys appreciate you brother all right well that was marty jurtson joining us on subpar fascinating stuff i mean the things these these club companies come up with uh i'm glad there's a lot more smarter people out in the world than you and i slays more smarter goodness more smarter that's yeah that couldn't have been could not have been said better luckily there's a more smarter people out there that marty's one of i did not expect the like exploding driver

when I said build the longest driver possible, what would you do? That's some different type of shit. But this dude's like, not only is he like one of the smartest guys in golf, but dude, he's really good, like really good. Yeah, he can play. He gets into that Vegas event a lot for winning the section stuff down here played and what six major championships. Like the guy, the guy can go for a guy that holds like a real job,

a big job and then also going out there and trying to compete. You know, he's played weekends and stuff like that. His caliber of play is spectacular for a guy that's also. A certified genius. And good to know that, well, it's actually unfortunate for you that since you dump Ping and on your only PGA tour event, they were rather disappointed. But goodness this, their company has rebounded just fine. They bounced back from that, which is good. Stock plummeted immediately after they took that survey down there says Sleese ain't playing ping.

But Marty, maybe while you're designing all these clubs, you just find some sort of a rocket ship that can get the truck from Phoenix to Myaco for future reference. We won't run into this issue. but I would have $5,000 less to my name. So it worked really nicely for me. I think even back in those days, if you made the cut and finish last, you made at least 10. True.

Good point. I would have won. It would have changed the whole, like the butterfly effect of me not switching to that other company that week. Oh, my God, could you imagine? Well, that was a lot of fun, but I suggest you stick to just trying to pick winners

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He wants to say that. Show up. He's got it handled. That's very nice. If you said that off air, I thought that was generous. All right. Well, let's get to it. my favorite he's a little bit down the board but i think his time is coming he's been playing

some really consistent golf he's had several chances i know he loves this golf course it'll be a birdie fest he's got one of the worst names in golf to be a professional golfer i'm going adam shank okay the Purdue boiler maker a couple of bullet makers over here that's right a couple of boilermakers uh he's been playing good he can get going really nicely when he gets going he's a little down the board but i don't hate that pick whatsoever I'm going here, Colt, who going to some friendly, familiar terrain here with my favorite, which is interesting because we've been picking this guy, except we've been picking him as our Dark Horse for the last couple weeks, and he has quickly moved into the favorite category.

Give me Ludwig Aberg this week, all right? We know all about him, his college career is a stud, two-time Hogan Award winner, all that. He showed up this week at the Rocket. Incredible first couple rounds was right there in the mix. Had a tough weekend, 73, 72, after being in contention. but in three events as a pro hasn't missed the cut. He finished outside the top 25 this past week with that weekend. But he's only shot one round over 73 during that time.

Could not be higher on a young guy than I am on Ludwig. So why not now? I had his group on Saturday, him and Ricky Fowler. That was the first time I ever got to really see it up close and personal. Talk to him. Such a nice kid. He's actually staying in Lubbock for the time being right now. He was recruited by two schools, Salies.

And I got a little heat on this for the broadcast, but he was recruited by Texas Tech in Arizona State. I want to know what happened on that recruiting visit to Texas Tech that convinced him to go there. Whatever it was, it will work. They might have flown him into L.A. I'm in like, you like Lovick? Pretty cool, huh?

Just sign here. Timpey and Lovic and shout out to Lovick. I got some friends out there. I ain't going to hate on him, but Timpey is, I don't know. If you get on campus, that's a tough sell. So shout out to Sands for selling Lovic. You're getting the best damn college player we've seen in a long time. but this dude's a monster.

How good is he off the tea? It's a joke. Everything. Yeah, he just had a rough stretch there on the back night on Saturday. He kind of unraveled a little bit, but he's got it, man. It's impressive to see even Ricky Fowler. We're walking up a fairway. And I was like, this kid's pretty damn good.

He's like, yeah, he's going to be just fine. Yeah, look out for him on the European Ryder Cup team, too. Very, very. Oh, I got, by the way, since we are on the gambling segment, I got a friend of mine before last week to give me five to one odds on Ludwig making the European Rider Cup team. You like my side? You're on the yes side.

I'm saying he's going to do it. I love that side. You go go look at their 11 through 1415 and say, tell me something about these guys. Yeah, exactly. You know what I mean? I take Ludwig in a heart. I put him on the team right now. All right.

My dark horse this week, I just love this man. It's the John Deere farming equipment. This guy kind of looks like a farmer, so I feel like it just fits. He's pretty far down the board. but one of my favorite podcast guests we have had homeless hubs mark hubbard let's do it love the hubs love the man bring that stinky pinky out there to molene the people will embrace that thing hubs do not be afraid one of our favorite guests we will have him back shortly hopefully after he wins this week i'm going to a guy colt doesn't necessarily look like a farmer okay but he's starting to play

a little bit uh it's starting to round back into form here i'm going ches rivey okay so if you look at his last three 25th he finished fourth and then 29th Those are his last three, but he's been shooting some low, low scores, which is what you're going to need to do this past week. He's got four rounds of 65 or lower in his last eight, excuse me, eight rounds. So in his last two weeks, he's going to need it this week, like I said, when he gets going, he can really go. Give me Chez Reed down the board.

Well, the people around Whistbrook call him Kenny, you know, it's Chez, it's Kenny Chesney. I'm sure Kenny's got a song about a farm. There's no question. No question. That's our logic for gambling. It looked proper on that tractor, too. All right. So aim for some green and bet on the.

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