Subpar - Max Homa Interview: The origin of his swing roasts, relationship with Aaron Rodgers

Episode Date: June 2, 2020

On this week's episode of GOLF's Subpar, PGA Tour winner Max Homa joins former PGA Tour pro Colt Knost and his close friend and on course rival Drew Stoltz for an exclusive, in-studio, interview. Max talks the inspiration behind his social media swing roasts, going head to head with Rory McIlroy at the Wells Fargo Championship, and his relationship with Green Bay Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers.

Hello world. Welcome to this week's episode of golf subpar. I'm Colt Nost. As always, the sleazy man is in the building. Drew Stoltz. What up? Good to be with you, Colty. Thank you for asking. I'm doing well. Strong as an ox. This is the portion of the show where we typically get into what's going on in the world of sports right now. Funny thing is there's not a shit going on in the world of sports right now. So there's not a whole lot to talk about in terms of like golf tournament sports. Anything in general. We are dying for sports. And thank God golf is knock on wood two weeks away. It's one week away. Colonial is next week? Yes, next week. June what? Today's June 1st. Next week.

We're June already. It's June, bud. June is here. Shout out to us. June is here. Summertime is here. And golf will be here in one week. Obviously, Drew is not the brains of this operation.

I handle the difficult things like dates. But yes, golf will be back next week. We are very, very excited. That's big news then, actually. It is. The other sports are, they're working on coming back. Hopefully they are soon. Baseball, probably won't see you anytime soon.

Baseball players as it turns. out don't like to not get a gris load of money for playing baseball. I agree. They're not into taking fractions of what they're supposed to be making. I totally agree with him. That's how I feel like you and I are as well. Yeah, absolutely. Stand your ground, boys.

Stand your ground. Yep. Pay me in school. We do have to get to our segment. We're bringing it back funny money. We both have had some fun little golf stories lately. And now I get to kind of be like you and talk about slapping around tour players.

This is where it gets good. Welcome to the show. This is fun. So made an awesome trip out to Discovery Land Property. Nashville called Trubidor. Special thanks to them for letting me come out. Ran into the one and only Bud Collie while we're out there. Just randomly Bud hanging out in Nashville?

He was out working with his coach, Matt Killing, who works out of there. He's working. Cam played nine holes with us. I was hammering some booze, having a good time. Of course, you're in your element. He's like, well, I want a little action if I'm going to play with him. I was like, all right, I'll play for a hundred on the back nine. Got a nice autographed Bud Collie, $100 bill in my pocket right now.

Hello. I played pretty nice. I did. You'll get to it. A little, what's three birdies in a row called? Three birds is a turkey. standard Roman clinchie yeah we'll get to that just a second but you smack you made a little turkey burger on the back man I got a little turkey and then a little tweet in the day to uh to victorously

beat beat bud bud callie one be victorious over bud callie over the any strokes what's the deal now because you're out of the game you know I know you're asking for him where you're getting them I got one stroke on nine in nine holes that's fair dude the guy's freaking playing colonial in a week one week not two weeks by the way you'll be there next week number one handicap hole guess what I did number one on your pop hole Tweety Bird Birdie net eagle How good does it feel?

It made it even better When Bud birdied that same ball How good does it feel When you're getting a nice tweet on the number one I made a tweet also Hey your birdie's good Yeah scoop it up dude This is for deuce

Yeah but you also have had a run in With a tour player lately We're smack and tour pro This would be a new thing We called Smack and Tour pros That's actually a good one Yeah that's gonna be really good Mine might be few and far removed

But I'm gonna get to the one right now This past weekend up in Flagstaff, Arizona getting out of the just crazy here heat right now in Scottsdale's like 112 popped up the flagstaff for a few days playing a course called Pine Canyon great spot bunch of tour guys are starting to like join out there right now we went out and played Scott Harrington was out there we get a game on the first tee I asked for one aside because I haven't played and that's super that's beyond fair by the way Scott should kill me

long story short I smack him three and two straight up no strokes four and three with the shots and on the back nine Scott didn't play well to to you know clarify I didn't I shop I played pretty gosh like 400 but he played awful and it was fun the entire time around but on the back nine he was trying to make a little charge i sprinkled in what we like to call the water buffalo four tweets in a row which is rare turkey is three this is a new terminology we introduced jickey jack here's new terminology turkey obviously everyone knows that's three or is the water buffalo which i achieved which has been a long time so i achieved it the next hole i had like a 12 foot perfect look at the very rare five in a row which is called the pink panther missed it and then if you ever do get to

six, which is very rare. This is why it's named this is a Sasquatch because you hear stories about it. Like I saw him. I saw one. But no one really ever, you know, actually has evidence. I'm very proud of you by the way. So Turkey, water buffalo, pink panthers, saskwatch. That's a good job. What we do. We wrecked to our players. Smack into a problem. I only ruin their confidence. I only got a 40 burger, but that also that 40 will never be spent. 40's 40. 40's 40. A screenshot of the Venmo. So I have a totally love it. Well, let's get to a guy who probably has reached the Sasquatch level. And that is our next guest, Mr. Max Homa, who is one of the most entertaining guys on the PGA tour.

It's such a good guy. He's been everywhere. He's on every podcast. And you and I have talked about this before. I tend to think like for the most part, athletes don't gain a lot out of social media and being vocal and saying stuff. Here's one guy right here that's on the other side of that. I think he has built his brand so much bigger than it would have been without social media and the roasting, which we get into and all that. But he's done himself a lot of favors in terms of like marketability and just exposure. Like I told my brother when we were having this, he's like, who's next on the podcast? I was like, oh, Max Holmes. He's like, oh, the Twitter guy. Yeah, my brother doesn't really follow golf.

You know what I mean? But that's how he's known. Awesome. Well, let's get right to it. Here's Max Homa and Golf Subpar. All right, we are very excited to welcome on our next guest. You all know this man. He is NCAA champion, PGA tour winner, and unquestionably, the most podcasted man on the PGA tour.

Mr. Max Homa, welcome to the show, my man. Thanks. I haven't been on this one yet, so I needed to do it. This is literally the only one you haven't been on, I think. You got your own. You've been on 75 other ones in the last 75 days. I've got two of my best friends here. had to make my rounds. I've been on about every podcast I could imagine. This quarantine has probably

been bad for that. Yeah, you've been literally every, if you have a golf podcast from your friend's garage, Max has been on it. And if he hasn't been on it, then the podcast is terrible. I don't know if I'm excited or insulted that we're like the last one you're going to do. No, it's like, I've played a ton of PJ Torvents. I've never played the Masters. That's true. Think about it that way, sir, well played. It makes this one a little more special. It does. Exactly. You just did Rissillo the other day, too. Like, You're graduating into like big dog podcast now. I've told everybody this.

I'll come on any podcast where you can talk about the office. So we talked about the office. I'm down for anything. But yeah, Riscilla is like, I think he's one of the smartest dudes in sports, especially in podcasting. As I've done podcasts,

you guys do it, imagine doing one by yourself. Like, sounds awful and he keeps it going. Same with like someone like Colin Cowherd. Pretty impressive. So when he reached out, I was very shocked and proud to be able to do it.

It was really cool. It was like a, I grew up obviously hoping to be a golfer, never really thought about being a podcast person. So all of a sudden, three years ago, my goals changed, I guess. And it's like, oh, cool, I'm on the Roslilipod. Like, what a weird world is this is. That's pretty cool. We'll let you plug your pod once.

I get one time. We'll over-extended my show. We'll bleep the hell out of that. Bleep it out. So you get a grip pod podcast with Max Holman, Shane Bacon. My name came first. No big deal, Shane. Sorry about it.

But that would be the only time. I think I did 17 times when I came on the radio show a little bit. That was good. That was good. I'd have been a little bit of booze involved in that one. It was a little. But it was awesome. But how's it going?

It's been good. You know, you guys are new in this too. You guys get a little more reps than we do with the radio. I'm very, very fortunate to have Shane. He is like a pros, pro. Makes it flow. Makes it easy. I just kind of show up and talk.

But it's been good. We all are struggling right now to find content. So I very much appreciate the Taylor. made driving for relief thing i really appreciate tiger phil tom brady and pain manning to do for doing the match 2.0 uh we need something we were already talking about this week i don't know what we're going to talk about this coming week with nothing going on well you just talk about your time with us yeah that'll feel like your next podcast should be recapping this podcast actually just play this on your podcast honestly that sounds good i'm way in on that it'll work well you make it hard for guys

like us we're getting at last divs if you've been asked every single question I feel like that you could possibly be asking the world right now. So we're digging for like, all right, what story hasn't? That's what you guys are good at. We know you better than anyone. We're like, all right, what hasn't Max talked about? You know what I mean? I haven't talked about the size of your head yet.

You want to get into it? It's big. It's large. It's the scale right there. Yeah. When you walk in, you guys shouldn't have the same size head. Like, you should be significant. Yeah, mine was just trace.

They had to actually like get a character. I did me. I think in the original, though, they're not the same size. This one behind me is a little, like, Drew's is a little bit bigger. Oh, yeah. And the original one, Steve Elkington did this. And the original, like, drawing he did, my face takes up. Yeah, these are Steve Elkinson.

No way. Yeah, and it's part of the chisholm. Oh, that's sick. He's good with them, dude. He does a lot of them. But he was nice enough. He drew a little sketch out for Colton and I. And, like, in the first, the initial drawing that he did,

it's, like, sitting at a table. And my head is, like, literally the length of the paper. And then Colt. That's fair. Yeah, they definitely made that more to scale, like, to make it equal. Yeah, so, I mean, you have been on a ton of podcast. It is, I was thinking of questions that you haven't been asked yet, you this from an academics perspective who did you look up to more at the prestigious cow

berkeley dischaun jackson or marshawn lynch uh marshaun lynch yeah huge fan uh we actually got to he was at the rec center one day playing pick up basketball uh with all his voice he used to come back once a year uh for like a week and we would play uh or i would watch him play basically uh he he he's all time the thing that marshan i don't know a lot about deshawn but the thing about marshan that's super uh i think misunderstood is like from all accounts all his trainers all the all the you know teachers would talk about like he's like was a pretty good student he got all bees basically at cow which is difficult he just speaks like he's from oakland like he is very proud of being from oakland oakland like has its own almost like its own tongue it was kind of fun living up there because

you learned all this like new slang and you have all like this different like music and culture and stuff and it was cool and like that's so when he does like these interviews you like people it's like the thing that's wrong with like people now is like you you hear someone speak and you're like oh that guy that guy doesn't like to do interviews he won't speak like I don't know proper or something like he talks like he talks like I change my like wording when I do these things like I don't speak perfectly like you know like now I'm talking like I normally do I just like it's stuck but like he like all all accounts like he's just like the greatest dude and the reason he doesn't like to answer a lot of questions about himself is because he wants to talk about his team like

He literally just wants to talk about his offensive line and be like, I ran well because that dude blocked well. And it's like, well, that's not a great answer, Marchion. We need a new one. So like I've always looked up to him. I think he's a very selfless, cool, cool dude to look up to. You say how, you know, people speak different during different situations. I noticed that a lot in the last dance.

Like Michael Jordan goes and does a press conference. It's like very proper, very well spoken. But then behind the scenes in the locker room, it's a totally different thing. Right. Which you get to see him like, you know, when he's talking even to like Jerry Krause, like it's a totally different. I mean, it's like, it's just like the locker room talk. It's guy talk.

It's like you change up what you're going to say. You're not going to use like, I try to like flex some vocabulary here and there. And like, I'm not going to do that with my friends. Yeah, I don't want to drop that. Randall Chambley on. I have no idea what he says at the time. Yeah, well, his last name, his whole name is like a whole new, you know, verbiage. So it's, he's got to have a good vocabulary.

All right. Well, we're here to talk about you. So you did go to Cal Berkeley. You majored in consumer behavior. Hmm. What in the hell is that? I'll ask you guys. What do you guys think it is?

If you don't know, you'll be the second podcast guest we've had who didn't know how to define their own major. Gary Woodland struggled with that. Shocker. I asked Gary Woodland, he majored in, so he graduated with a sociology degree. And I asked him what the names of the founding fathers of sociology meant to him. I just list the names and said, what are those names mean to you? And he's like, I have no idea. What are you even talking about?

Okay. He was like Magna Cum Laude from Kansas. I think I'm in that boat. So consumer behavior is actually like an extension of sociology. So I'll just like Gary your answer for it. me because he was a sociology major. That is awesome. You had a hell of a team though at Cal. Name some of those guys off that were there with you. Yeah, we had an awesome team. The guys who came up with me same age, myself Brandon Hagee, Michael Weaver, and then Joel Stalter, he's from France. He

came in my sophomore year, and then we had Pace Johnson on the team, and then our best player was Michael Kim, Michael Kim, one player of the year. He came, I think, my junior year. But the stud team was kind of cool. It's like, Cal like hadn't been a huge powerhouse in golf. Like we had had the 2014 one national championship, our only golf national championship. And it was led by Peter Thomas Sulo, who was like number one ranked AM in the world. But other than that, like the guys didn't really go on to do like huge things in golf. And so we didn't like get huge recruiting classes. And I felt like every one of us had a bit of a chip on their shoulder. Like I wanted to go to UCLA. Brandon wanted to go to USC. Michael Weaver, I think, wanted to also go to USC or Stanford. And then

Michael Kim was in that class that gets talked about a lot, the 2011 high school class, JT, Patrick Rogers, Ollie Schneider, James, like all the guys. And it was almost like we were like the, like, quote unquote, reject school. And we got a bunch of guys with a good amount of talent and a ton of drive to, like, shove it in the other, you know, Pac-12 school's faces. And it was really fun to have all that. And then having Joel come to, he's a stud, stud golfer. And he had a lot of fire, too.

So I feel like we all kind of blended with that and had like the blue collar chip on our shoulder. That's the only time ever, Berkeley's been called a reject school. Oh, yeah. Like the best school in the United States. We couldn't get anywhere else. Sports. Sports. And we have a football shirt at school that says we're going to be so good next year.

My favorite thing I took from that because I know he'll be listening was when you said Peter Thomas Ullo led the team, but then they went on to do nothing in the game of golf. No, not Pete. No, you went on to do something. You said Pete went on to do nothing. Pete reminds me almost weekly on my phone how good he is at golf. Not was, it's like to this day. list. Then ask him why I'd give him strokes at the member guests at Gaza Ranch.

All the time. I ask him all the time. Now that, that is a bad move by Pete. I love it. He and Malinger, arguably the best that never was. Don't play anymore, but they'll tell you quick how good they are. Yeah, they got shorted on that. How tough was it? Like, I mean, you mentioned, like, you wanted to go to these other schools, UCLA, some of the guys wanted to go to USC. Then you end up at Cal, real question, like, how hard is it academically to stay? I mean, you could go to, there's a lot of other schools that are great golf programs where it's really probably not going to be as difficult to hang around and make a C average and stay eligible as it is at Cal. Yeah, it was kind of funny because when you get a scholarship, whatever, to school, and you know you're going to get in.

Like, you've already been kind of accepted, but like my coach would be, my coaches were like, hey, you need to like take the SAT and all these stuff, like just to do it. And I'm like, what number do I need to get like this? It's like, I'm not going to get into your school. He's like, it's fine. I was like, I need like a little bit of a base number I'm going to need to get to because it was intimidating. and then you get there. And yeah, it's incredible, the school itself is incredibly intimidating.

It's not, we used to joke around, but it's like not like the Oklahoma State. We used to mess with them. Like Kevin Tway one time was like, I have three online classes. I don't even know if we offer online classes or else I'd have them. So, yeah, it was cool.

You got to meet, I got to meet so many interesting people that were outside of sports. The Cal culture at school is, it feels very split. You have the athletic department. And like we all, kind of hanged together, which was awesome, but then you also have, like, the students who are, like,

in an other echelon of, like, cool in their own right. And I wanted to, like, I would never fit in, but I wanted to, like, get in with them a little and, like, meet these, like, incredible minds that will, like, go on to do amazing things. Again, I found out I didn't fit in with them, but it was, it was interesting. It's an interesting challenge. Staying eligible wasn't exactly difficult. I mean, like, I'm not, like, if you work hard, you'll get, like, a C or a B or whatever, but it took a hot minute to get an A, and it felt, I felt very, very proud of myself when I got my first day. Yeah, it was so easy around there. True.

Oh, my God. You go to school here. True? Yep. Kind of? I don't know. Well, one of your most well-known alumni is quarterback Aaron Rogers. I know you have a relationship with him.

What's that been like? It's been awesome, man. I don't, I feel like he doesn't get, like, the greatest reputation in the media for some reason. I agree with that. I've been fortunate through Mallinger to know him a little bit, you know, going back maybe four or five years, but we had never spent much time together. I can't say more great things about him. Like, he has been a good friend ever since we played, you know, the 18 T. Pellble Beach together. He let us stay at the house with them.

Like, we all bonded really well. He just was like so kind to my wife Lacey and to Joe, my caddy. Like, all-time great dude. And even still, like, we talk, we have a group to I talk to him. probably every other day. Like, I called him, like, three weeks ago because I want to talk about, like, getting better and, like, pick his brain on sports because he's also incredibly smart. Like, 45 minutes, chat, like, basically give me notes on how to, like, get better mentally

and, like, do all these things. And it's, like, come on, like, you meet somebody. He's a superstar. Like, there's people in sports that are great. Like, he's a superstar. I think he's the best quarterback I've ever seen throw a football. And this dude is lending 45 minutes of his time to, like, help out some punk kid just just trying to, like, make it.

Like, we're in a different, like, I've fortunately made the people. TJ tour, but this dude would be like, you know, Rory McElroy of the PJ Tour. And, you know, he's lending all this time. I really appreciate him. And it's been really cool to be around somebody that's, like, great at something. How did you get linked up to stay in the, like, was this before you won when you staying at Pebble Beach and he invites you to stay in the house? Like, was that just the Cal Connection or did you guys know each other at all before that? Just a little before he, so he used to play the BMW web.com event with, with Malley. And I played one year and they invited me to dinner. I went to dinner with them like six nights

in a row, so I got to be around him, and he's a big golf tour. He's like, I've got you starred on my app. I was like, that's weird. But yeah, he, we had like kept in contact a little bit, but he had mentioned, you know, maybe leading up to it, maybe like December or something. He's like, hey, I think we should team up for the, for the AT&T. Jerry Kelly is his normal partner, and Jerry wasn't going to play. He's like, let's, we'll start like a new little run. He hadn't made the cut yet in the pro-em part of it. So I was like, I'll get you there, man. And I was a little nervous, It's not going to lie. But yeah, leading up to it, you know, I already had a hotel.

And then like two weeks before he called me. I think he had planned it. But he called me. He's like, hey, we've decided to like, you've made the cut. You could stay with us. But now, he was so gracious. I mean, first off, not the typical house I stayed in. We stayed in, you and I stayed in the house the year prior.

It was a little bigger. Okay, fine. Just a little bit. Just a little bit. You know what? We found a spot. We'll squeeze you in the corner. We're going to slide you in there in the game, in the third game room.

Yeah. So, you know, you had some. success on the on the on the now corn fairy tour coming right out of college and everything graduated the pj tour kind of went back and forth a few times 2017 was kind of a year that sticks out because it was obviously a pretty pretty tough year you know a lot of people that I know like I don't know if they would ever bounce back from something like that and I just shows shows how amazing your perseverance is did you think after a year like that that maybe one day you'd be not sitting on the golf subpar podcast no one no one can imagine being a pGA tour winner and having the success you're having

right now? Yeah, I didn't want to get too far ahead of myself and say I might make it here. Small goal. Baby step. Did I think, yeah, I think I did think that. One part, I talked to my best buddy, Peter Papa George all the time. What a name. We talked about how he played college basketball at Long Beach State. And so he has like a good athletic mind understands it, whatever. So we talk a lot about how I think that great or good professional athletes have a bit of delusion to him. And it's just like an innate thing. And you need a good balance of it. I think I had that because if I'm a pretty rational person and if I would have if you would have told me that you did what I did in 2017 I'd be like hey man maybe like go like get a job let's do something else I was fortunate that

I had made a bit of money before so I wasn't super stressed it like I knew I was going to have a few years to get it going I also was really really invested in like this plan I had and this process to like get better at golf and fortunately it was it was correct and it worked out but I had the faith the whole time I was going to be back I didn't quite know if it was going to be as quick as it was, and I didn't quite know, obviously, I was going to win as fast as I did, but I thought I was going to be back. Charlie Hoffman said something really great to me one time. It was like, I just lost my, I know, shocker. Something I've never heard.

Seagull. That's the most shocking statement ever made on this show. Should you end? I literally about fell out of my chair. Charlie's the guy who, if you're in a group, he's like kind of, you know, outwardly, like, mean in a funny way, sometimes not as funny. But when I've been one-on-one with him, he's been very, very helpful to me. and he said something interesting. I lost my car and I was back on the cornfairy tour,

the web.com tour at the time. And he kind of like came over. He goes, hey, like, you seem to really succeed when you're the bigger fish in a smaller pond. Like, why do you think you keep, like, not feeling like that when you get up there? And it really clicked in my head that I need to stop going on the PJ tour looking around and being intimidated.

And it's like maybe even fake it that way a little bit. Walk out onto a range and, like, think, all right, like, I don't care what you guys are going to do. Like, I'm going to do me. And you can't play defense on me. Like, I'm going to play. and mix that with like a lot of help, you know, a lot of practice and a lot of like getting better at actual golf, like hitting the ball. Like I think it blended a lot. So when I would get in moments, like I did at Wells Fargo, it was almost like a blessing I got to play with Rory because it really tested that.

And I had been like picturing that in my head like, all right, dude, like at some point you're going to have to beat this dude. And now we have this opportunity. It's like, all right, well, I'm ready for it. I'm no longer thinking about big fish, small fish. We're just, we're equals in a way at this at this moment. And it helped a lot. But, yeah, I mean, being able to, like, know that that was going to happen was not exactly, like, how I saw it being that quick. But I did think I'd be back. I did think I was pretty good at this. I had a decent background in it.

And I knew that every year I seemed to get on the Corn Ferry Tour, like, even if I wasn't playing great, like, I somehow managed to, like, get my way back to PJ Tour. I was going to ask you about the Rory Macquarie thing, because it's very easy when you're paired with a guy like that to kind of get distracted, not pay attention to your own game as much as you're like, oh, my God, I'm playing with the number one player in the world. over here. And obviously that advice Charlie gave you works very, very well in that situation. Did you, is that something you just told yourself all day when you were playing with him? Or did you ever find yourself kind of watching and being like, maybe I can learn something from this guy at the same time? Yeah, both. I watched. It's hard not to. His first two drives, he hit that day were the dumbest things I've ever seen. Like his line on one was a joke right and it was in the middle of the fairway, like lob legend. So I watched, but I also knew what I was

getting into, fortunately, like getting to see so much of his golf, knowing how amazing he is. But at the same time, like, I, what I used to hang my hat on when I was, like, in college and in junior golf was, I kind of had a slow progression. I always kind of took a little bit to get, you know, my feet wet a little bit, get my legs under me. And, but I always had that chip. Like, I remember I played Justin Thomas in, in college and match play. And my junior year, his freshman year, he just got player of the year. And I remember showing up to that day, just thinking, you know, if it's just me versus you, I'm taking me. Like, I'm just going to just going to believe in myself. And that was always kind of how I, how I, like, pride in myself. I put, a,

put a lot of pride in that being like a dog all the time. So in that case, it was almost perfect. Like it was his birthday. They kept singing to him and not one soul for good reason cared that I was there. And I just kept telling myself, I was like, I'm going to make like these people know who I am. And it was like a good, it really brought out like a chip on my shoulder. Because I think in 2017 I didn't have a chip. I was kind of a shell of myself. I was almost hiding a little bit. Because it's incredibly embarrassing. You had one of the funniest digs at me of all time. I don't You know, if you remember, we were at Shadow Creek. First off, I don't remember much of my time at Shadow Creek.

Colt the king of, you know, the king of like the funny diss or whatever. But you were talking to Perez or something about the USM when, USM, when I finally turned around trying to be a smart act like I am. And I said, oh, yeah, cool, USM, USM, how much money did you win? You said almost as much you did last year. I was like, yeah, I mean, but these are the things. Like, I had to get over being embarrassed by them. And, like, what I started to realize is my friends weren't, like, they weren't embarrassed of me.

like they weren't looking at me like I was less like Colt wasn't looking at me like I was less it was like stop stop looking at yourself like that you're awesome like I had to start becoming like my biggest my own biggest fan that's why I tell a lot of people these days like whatever you do if you don't love like what you're doing you don't think you're great at it then you're not going to be great at it because then people will start to you know take notice but you know I've had a lot of friends tell me now like Joel Damon said he didn't realize how bad that year was going in in my head everyone knows how bad I was so it's like clearly like an exaggeration in my own brain Let me ask you this, though, going back to the Charlie Hoffman advice, like, is it a chicken or the egg scenario, right?

It's like, he's telling you like, hey, you're good when you're a big fish in a small pond. So basically saying, like, have that same confidence when you're on the PJ tour. Don't get an awe. But on the flip side of that, it's like, dude, I have confidence because I'm beating everyone else's face in, right? Like, what comes for, how can I be confident when I'm not having success? That's got to be like one of the hardest things to do as a PJ tour player when you get out there. I'm missing a bunch of cuts in a row. How am I supposed to walk on the first tee and be like, I'm going to beat all these guys when I haven't done it.

Yeah, that's a perfect question because that's what I wrestled with a lot because the big reason I think I don't feel that on the corned fairy tour or the web tour was just because you don't know a lot of those names. Like it's just because of like the media and like obviously like everyone knows who Tiger Woods is. Everyone knows who Rory McRoy is. You don't know necessarily the number one guy on the money list on that tour. So like it's not as intimidating. So I started to realize I'm building this up in my own head. Like I'm making this up. Like yeah, for a good reason, Rory, Brooks, JT, DJ.

Like, yes, like they deserve the respect and all that, but they got there the same way I can get there by believing in themselves and being really good at golf. So it was like, it was a little bit of both, but I had to not tell myself that the reason I'm feeling that way is because I'm beating them. I need to look at it as I'm beating them because I'm as good as these other guys who aren't on this tour. Like, that's how you had to flip it. And it's a lot of like lying to yourself when you're not playing well. But it's also like, all right, let's break this down, man. Like every time we get out here, we do a good job. Like we, like, graduate off this tour.

So that should be somewhat telling. Like, there's tangible evidence that you are, if you are too good for that tour, whatever you want to call it, if you are able to succeed on that tour, like, obviously not too good for the tour. But if you are able to succeed off that tour, that means you belong on the next tour. So, like, why do you then show up at the next one and be like, oh, my God, there's that guy. Like, okay, well, you're that guy, too, a little bit. I mean, we both made it here.

Yeah, you see it all the time. You see guys that have great years. out there. They come out. And then obviously it's different with all the stuff that's going on. You find yourself at the golf course 10 hours a day. You know, always doing stuff that when you're on the corn fray tour, you're not doing that stuff. You go show up, you take care of your business and you're out, which is the same exact thing you should do on the PJ tour. But it's like, okay, I've never seen all this. I want to experience all this. But you realize it's really detrimental to your game. I mean, Tiger Woods is obviously the best that's ever played the game, but he has no effect on the

shot you hit. 100%. And like, yeah, that's exactly. That's what I've done really. well this year is like if I'm like the facilities are so good on the PHA tour like it's a joke you feel like you should be there all day just because like it's nice it's nicer than I mean you could we play golf at Wisbrock nice course ever like it's nicer than Wisbrook they set it up to be perfect and it's it's a wild that like you get out there and then you think to yourself well how would I approach a Friday game at Wisperock it's like well if I don't hit the ball well maybe I'll go hit some balls after but it's not like if I if I don't feel like I need to like let's just go home and eat eat and then come back and play golf the next day. And like that's what I've started to do a little bit

more this year with a huge help from my my caddy Joe is like I'll ask them a lot of times after the round like you think we need to work on anything is like no let's get out of here. It's like cool. And it's like approaching tournaments like I would approach like a Tuesday practice round like a little more intensity obviously in the tournament a little more focused but the same prep and the same idea is just to be you because what you are doing like what I was doing at home certain weeks even when I was struggling a little bit was I play a lot better. But you started to build it up in your head like you said you're at this tournament you're not being you anymore you're like hitting a hundred more balls than normal it's like you're you're clearly starting to make this a bigger

deal than it is that's not helping you like that's making a lot that's putting a lot more pressure on your tournament and you probably don't do that on the corn for the web dot com tour when you're there you're not like oh i'm in charlotte or whatever let me hit 150 balls after the round right you're like dude you know yeah i was on tour last year like i'm good i'm going to go back to the hotel and chill out it's exactly the chicken and i need to be out here doing everything that these guys are doing Exactly. I mean, routine is probably one of the more overused, like clichés in golf, like six-year routine. But like the reason it is because it means a lot. Like you just keep doing what you do. Like I, you hear that, you know, with the Michael Jordan stories and the Kobe Bryant stories, like they had a plan Monday, Wednesday, Friday, let's say they would lift in the morning. Well, if they had a game Monday, they'd still do it because that's what they would do on a normal day of their, like, practice getting ready for games. So it just makes it, it makes it seamless. You just go to a game because that's what's on the schedule. It's not like you're going to up your practice or, or, or, you're going to. or, you know, lower your practice because there's, like, a big game. It's like, it's the same, it's all the same game.

That's a great point. Like, Brooks Kepka got a lot of criticism for bench pressing before the final of the US Open. But yet he did that the Sunday before the Byron Nelson, and it doesn't go, no one notices that. No, that'll never work, dude. Yeah. He's got to change.

He should change, yeah. He's not really working for him. But you're right. Things work for you that don't work for other people. You have to stick to being, being you. You got to be you always. And, like, that's the biggest thing. That's where it goes to, like, don't look around.

Don't, just because, I mean, I mean, this is a horrible example because I just got a Peloton because Rory McElroy is a Peloton. Right. Of course. Makes sense. But yeah, when I'm sitting on the range and like you watch certain people practice, it's like, oh man, like I should do what he does. It's like, maybe just maybe that guy's looking at you saying, I like what he does. And it's like finally somewhere it flipped in my brain where it's like, you're good at this. Like stop wondering how to like be more like someone else. Like maybe they want to be more like you or at least if you think that, you'll start having like the

confidence to like puff your chest out a little bit when you show up at events. Well, something Slees and I are probably never going to experience. I mean. Speak for yourself before you say this. Yeah. I'll do a lot of things, dude. You might go out there Monday qualifying it in, but yeah. Very probable.

I am three for 150 in my career on Monday, so keep going. But winning on the PJ tour, obviously, besides the $1.4 million paycheck, what's some of the coolest things that comes with winning on the PGA tour? I'd love to experience at some point. But the Masters, I feel like it's probably pretty cool. Maybe one day you'll get there. They keep pushing me back, man. That's pretty cool.

The comfort of having starts and, like, playing the events you, like, see on TV all the time. Like, the memorial, for some reason, like, hit home, like, getting to play Mr. Nicholas's golf tournament at the golf course that I've watched a hundred times. Like, that was even, like, a little bit of, like, an eye opener. Like, dang, that's cool. The comfort was huge. For me, personally, it was just, like, you're doing the right stuff. Like, keep doing it. Like, that meant a lot to me just coming off, like, not playing great.

because that's a big, you know, that's a big help. That's a big, like, kind of, like, it motivates you even more to keep doing what you're doing. But the comfort in general of, like, hey, I can, you know, not book my flight the morning of Monday because I wasn't sure if I was going to be in the event or not. Like, that's a part that people don't understand that coming off the cornfairy tour is so hard. Like, I've many times flown in to an event on a Monday without a hotel book, just because, you know, I just found out I was getting in because I thought I wasn't going to someone with Drew. And it's like, man, that's, again, going back to your two,

Like that's not part of the routine like now it's easy. I know I'm flying in Monday. I have no stress about playing the colonial. I know I'm going to be in it. So it's like all right, like I can be more seamless like I have been the last, you know, year or so. I'm sure your phone exploded after you won the term. Who's someone that reached out to you that you've never met before that you were just like, oh my God, I can't believe this guy just texted me. I don't know if I had a I don't know if I remember a never met before guy. But like some random, you know, random like really cool ones like Andre Iigua. I had played one practice around. one pro I'm with in my life and he reached out. Again, he's a golf, a golf nut. You guys need to have them on this because he, he loves golf. But he reached out and it was really cool because, like, I'm a big basketball guy. And Andre is like one of the coolest dudes ever. That was cool. I mean, Aaron reached out, which is always great. But yeah, you just get like, yeah, your phone blows up, man, I don't think I slept. Like, I was just reading through my text being like, man, like, make people like me. Yeah, I mean, you are like, like, we've talked about, like, you're huge on social media now. Everybody knows you. I remember, like, I was talking to my brother like a few days ago.

He was like, hey, who's next up on the pod? Like, oh, we got Max home. He's like, oh, the Twitter guy. I love that guy. Like, he's fun. He's not a big golf, dude. You know what I mean? But he knows.

Even if he was. Even if he was. But he's like, oh, the Twitter guy. Like, when did that all, when did you become, like, the social media guy that you are, like more, I guess, like, being more, like, recognized and more known. Was that after you won Wells Fargo? Is that when it took off? Or was it, like, something out.

Was it started with, like, the swing roasting and stuff like that? I think a lot of it does go to, like, you do need to be relevant in, like, the sport or whatever you're doing. Like, I don't think people would have taken much of what I said with much credibility. I not, but, I mean, I've been pretty active. I like the, like, idea of Twitter. Like, it's where I get all my sports news. It's where I communicate with, like, a lot of my friends.

Like, we talk on there all the time, like, in funny ways or whatever. But, yeah, it started to blow up a little of that. The swing roasting thing kind of made it super explode. But I don't think that, like, that goes without playing. like good golf and I think that that helps a lot getting notoriety. I mean if you look at a lot of like even like look at Tiger Woods's Twitter like Tiger doesn't tweet no yet he has like gazillions of followers like I think that's kind of how that how that ball rolls Mark Steinberg's assistant has a lot of who tweets that but I want to read a couple of your my favorite ones okay and just tell me like are

these like things that just come to you immediately or is it some thought like this one for example despite six years of Hebrew school and the completion of my bar mitzvah the most Jewish I've ever felt came after looking at a home with extravagant Christmas lights immediately thinking that electric bill must be brutal is that one you've kind of had in the tank for a while or is that just? I mean it's what I thought I've thought

of like obviously the Jewish thing is like a thing I'm pretty proud of and but it's always you know I like to make light of everything so I just remember I was actually walking around with Malley and we were going looking at lights with his kids or whatever.

And I just remember looking at this window. I'm like, and I also probably had a lot of to do with, like, I'm getting older now and I pay my electric bill. And I was like, that looks expensive. So like, yeah,

it kind of just like comes to me. I try to, I don't know, I've liked to keep it as light as humanly possible on Twitter. And just, you know, if I think of the dumb, dumb thing that I think

another person has probably thought of before, I'll throw it out there and see what happens. Hanukkah lights are a lot cheaper than Christmas lights. Yeah, you only need eight. You don't even have to worry about it. You only need nine.

And then like, Each day you actually start at one or at two and then you get your way up to nine. So it's like pretty cheap. It's a good idea. You can handle that though. Yeah, I got that. Way more. Candles are cheaper than, you know, light switch.

Exactly. Good call. I'll read you another one. I feel like this one was in the tank for a while, but I'm rooting for Taylor Gooch because he's one of my best friends. I'm also rooting for him because he has a last name that makes me feel less insecure about my own. That's been in the tank. I know Taylor forever. He's actually a big reason I, you know, I married Lacey, like they were friends before.

So I've been very lucky to know Taylor for a long time. I obviously have a last name that gets a little grief here and there from mean. From mean people. Well, it sounds like Hanma. So ever since Justin Rose, you know, bailed, like it's just been like a lot. It's a lot on me. It's a burden I need to weigh on my shoulders now. So when I saw Taylor and I would like play a lot of golf, I always be like, all right, man.

You take this one. Thank God. You're here. Do you think more positives come from athletes being on social media? media or more negatives? More negatives for sure. I know people like, you know, they talk a lot about, I get, I get questions like if you ever really blew up in golf, like would you be able to keep doing this? And I do feel like I probably tone it back a little bit. But at the same time, I try really hard to, and maybe it's because that's kind of how I am, but I don't like post

anything controversial. Like I don't, I'm not big into politics. I feel like that's where it gets people like in trouble a lot. I don't like really like break the mold and like, chew out somebody for doing something in the golf world. I try and really like say stuff like, man, Christmas lights look expensive. You know, like I'm not trying to like, you know, change how people would think about some main like real life topic.

So I don't think that it would be bad if you could do that. But a lot of people like to push the envelope a little bit, which is, in my opinion, they're right to do. But, you know, nowadays where everything is obviously online, it comes back to bite you. So I don't think it's great for, athletes but I think if it's used appropriately I think it's amazing for athletes because the

reason it was really made was so people could connect with someone like LeBron James and be like man I tweeted at him and he liked it and you're like man I just had a connection with like the best basketball player in the whole world like that's pretty cool but it's not like you know it's not like you should be going out there too as an athlete and like using your platform to like really push stuff I mean you can that that's okay but like that's where the grief's going to come from so you need to take that kind of risk on your own. I don't, I don't want to do that. You still get like the guys that that'll freak out over anything and the Twitter trolls and the haters and things like that. Like you still, you still do what you do. And you, like you said, you post the most like non-controversial

stuff possible and you still get people like, shut up, you're a golfer. Like you're not funny. You know what I mean? It's like, who are these people? Like that's where for me, when I see that type of stuff, I'm like, who are they're electing to follow you. And yet they're like, your jokes aren't Exactly. You follow. All you got to do, Max, or whoever it is. Simple solution. Just click unfollow. Don't watch it. It's pretty simple. Yeah, it's like bitching about something that's on TV. Guess what? Don't watch it.

Five thousand other channels. Yeah. I had a guy tell me how everything I post isn't funny and it's for idiots. And I don't like argue with them because I mean, yeah, maybe it is. A lot of the guys, the people that follow me were like, okay, we're idiots. And it's like, yeah. But I'm like, yeah, then why are you responding? Like, why are you wasting your time to respond to this? He's one of the ones that are following you or else he's seen your tweet so he's just like calling himself an idiot like more or less but part of your popularity is because

you're on social media right like you're a great golfer you've won on the pj tour you're awesome but you are known a lot go on you have more you want me to keep going your arm hair is growing back incredibly we'll get to that a little bit later but like swiftly part of the reason that you are like as popular as you are is because of the social media you know what i mean so it's like a double-edged sword a little bit the best the best parts of twitter are the the fact that they give you a platform to be you like i feel like you guys uh and this podcast grows a lot because if you look at your guys social media, like, you guys are just who you are. It's not fake. It's not fake. And you guys are really fun. So when you come talk on this, people are like, oh, yeah, that's the

cult. That's the sleaze I know from Twitter. And it's like, yeah, well, that's the cult and sleeves I know from, like, real life. So, like, that helps a lot. And so Twitter gives me an opportunity. I'm not out here trying to, like, get followers. I'm not out here trying to, like, gain notoriety. I'm just being who I am. I'm thinking of dumb stuff. And I decided to put it in this little box and, like, post it. And people like, oh, man, I connect with that. It's like, yeah, man, like that it's just because I don't follow you doesn't mean like if you respond to me and have a similar thought I'm like oh man like that like I connected with that guy too because I like what he said like that's how this stuff works so like that's what I've tried to do I think like I'm a pretty

harmless guy and I'm try to be as thoughtful as I can with stuff and people appreciate that and like that's cool that we can all like connect in this weird like social media thing that has popped up in the last you know 15 years yeah but you your biggest hits have been this swing Roaster. Yeah, people love that. I mean, they do. It's always like, here, roast me, kill me. Destroy my whole life, Max. How did that even? Make me quit golf. Yeah, make me cry. How did that even start? It was super random, man. So I flew from here to Long Beach one night, and I landed at like 9 p.m. So I'm just going to the hotel to go to go to sleep. I was practicing in the morning.

And I get a tweet from this dude, I think he's named Brian McLaughlin. And he said, roast my swing. Roast me like, you're Gordon Ramsey. and he used the jiff or he sent a video of his golf swing and basically like I got the point like he wants me to burn him but it would be funny or whatever so he's like I think this is going to really take off

I was like it's not like this is a pretty like normal stuff or whatever so he posts this video and it's a really horrible angle like all golfers know the angles so see a swing or down the line or a caddy view from the front well he posted like 45 degrees I can't see a thing so I responded like with the Gordon Ramsey

Giff where he puts a bread on the girl's ears and goes what are you and she says I'm an idiot sandwich so I just responded like that well I go to bed wake up go practice and it's like 11 I get back to the airport and I pull out my Twitter and it's like hundreds of videos of just the worst golf swings you've ever seen so I do a few more do a few more and then I'm like all right this is like going to die off pretty soon and then it like keeps going and keeps going now I'm getting like athletes and like these celebrities that I like love and look up to being like what do you think about this golf swing I'm like you guys are crazy man like I don't know but like I keep trying to

spit out some things so it kind of started like like super organically. A shout out to Brian for having this wild vision. I might need to hire this guy. He would be a great marketing person. It's like a badge of honor. If your swing gets roasted by Max home, you're like,

dude, Max responded to me. He told me I was the worst golfer in the history of the world, but he responded to me. I had like, JT text me. He was like, hey, somebody just sent you a video and they're a friend of mine, like go in on this and he gave me like a little info.

And like that, so then it was a big, now I'm obligated. It was like, JT's like the coolest dude ever. I was like, all right, I'll do that. I'll do that one.

And then, like, it just kind of keeps rolling. I've been trying to tone off it a little bit now because I think I've over saturated the market. And I'm out of info. I'm out of material. And you don't have 72 hours in the day to roast every. Is there a point where you're like, okay, dude, this was a cool little bit I did for a while, but now I'm getting 3,200 videos a day. Like, I can't handle all the requests.

And it's also like you all, like, as we joke, like, I don't really care so much when somebody's like, like, go practice, man. Like, what are you doing? But when it's like eight at night and it's dark out and I don't have like a lowball at my disposal. Like, I can't. So, like, I'm just going to do them. So then it makes me want to do it more. But yeah, it's kind of gotten to the point where it's like, it's like a novelty act that I think has run a bit of its course, but I'll do it here and there. And I still enjoy doing it because people really do like it. And, like, again, the reason I love Twitter

and my Twitter personally is just because I like making people laugh, making people happy. So if it's going to make you happy, like the reason I've come on a million podcasts is because people are craving for stuff to listen to. Whether you want to listen to them or not, this like kills an hour of your time like with my podcast i'm like if this kills an hour of your time we are shay and i are talking about nothing like nothing we do our top five we do our top three serials you're going to plug it once i didn't say i didn't say the name of the podcast i dodged that bullet i thought about it hard but um i got a grip so um we'll let we'll let's so but yeah it's like we're not talking about much but people still need stuff to listen to i listen to everything i listen to your

guy stuff every day I'm at the golf course practicing because I need stuff to listen to I'm what I'm craving content so it's just like in the same way with the roast like people want to laugh all right laugh if it makes one person laugh and 99 people tell me I'm an idiot I'll do it for the one guy because it's like what did the 99 really mean like to me what's the favorite roast you've done you think I've had I've had some that I think are fun like funny one of my favorites this guy this guy sent his video said the same thing I kind of joked about it He's like, I'm thinking about quitting golf, and I just wrote, trust your gut. That would make me laugh.

But my favorite of all the time, I was out with you. And my buddy texts me, he's like, yo, Cody Bellinger is going to send his swing. So, you know, you got to do something funny. And, like, Cody Bellinger's, like, my hero. Like, a big Dodger guy, and, like, he's the best Dodger going right now. And I got nervous. Like, I went in the corner at Bottled Blonde and, like, sat there and, like, thought for, like, 10 minutes. It's like, be funny.

Yeah, come on. Come on. So, like, that was, like, my favorite just because it's, like, lights were on. Pressure was high. Like, I needed to throw something out there. But there's been really funny, like, subtle ones. The beginning was great when I actually still had, like, funny stuff to say. It's gotten hard.

At this point, it's got to be like, all right, here's another sucky swing. Like, dude, what do I go for? That's where it's getting hard. That's terrible, dude, quit. The easy ones now, like, that I'll, well, I mean, I'll show my hand here. But, like, the easy ones now will be, like, the guy who has, like, a decent golf swing goes, roast me just shreds. I'm like, you then must suck at every other.

heart of golf because you have a beautiful golf swing. I can't keep making fun of the same bad golf swings. So I'm going to start making fun of the good golf swings and the people like I don't know and have never heard of and who aren't on the PJ tour. Yeah, how have I never heard of you? Yeah. That's how bad you are. Exactly. Beautiful swing now. Yeah, cool. You hit it three thin. You're awful at everything. Well, Slice, should we get into the emergency nine? Yeah, we can. Let's hammer out. This is an honor, man. This is a fun one. This is like making a sports center top 10. I hear about this all the time. We do this with every guest. We're going to let the sleaze start it off today.

We have one recurring question that we ask to everyone. I'm very interested in what you have to say. Movie being made about the life of Max Homa. Who's the actor you want to play you? This is a hard question because I'd like just the most handsome guy. Of course. Which would be fitting. I would roast you, but it makes sense.

I'm going to go with Christian Bale. Oh, very confident answer. Christian Bale. When I used to have a mustache and he had a mustache, someone once said I look like him. So maybe it's inceptioned into my brain now, but he can do anything. Like he's been every character ever. So he could like try and dive into the character that I am. I hope he doesn't do method acting with me because he might lose his actual mind.

But like that would be my main choice. Do you got anyone for him? Yeah, I got Paul Rudd. Oh, I am so down with that. That's a good one. I think Paul Rudd's unbelievable. I think he's super funny. And I think he's just like, no one's like sees Paul Rudd and is like, I fucking hate Paul.

And I think I was in 2017. I was Ant-Man. That was the lowest of the low. That could grow. That would have been the biography before your biography. Yeah, that'll be the pre-log. Yeah. I like Paul Rudd.

You got anyone for him? I had one. I mean, it's not that great. If he grew a beard a little bit, James Franco, just because he's kind of funny. Yeah, he's really weird, too. He's super weird. I don't even know what he is.

I buy that guy. I buy that guy. You don't think I'm doing his best stuff as he's doing. He's a strange bird, though. I like that James Frank. He is very interesting. I appreciate those guys. All right, number two, a lot of people know,

you raised a lot of money for charity by shaving your leg hair, your arm hair. You got some back. Very back, baby. It's going to be back. You're a tenth of the way back first off. Did you donate your your arm hair to locks of love? I feel like, you should have sent it to Colt. Yeah. Colt could have dreadlocks right now. They said it was too heavy to send. All right, if you had to shave one for the rest of your life, would it be your arms of your legs? Arms, because I wear pants a lot, so I could hide the bushy legs. I can hide these bad boys. Shave the arms makes you look more muscular, too. Honestly, between us guys, I've been thinking about just trimming these bad boys here and there because I've really started to feel good about myself.

I wouldn't be mad at it, dude. I didn't realize how bad it was until I shaved him. And I'm like, geez, man. How are you doing this all the time? You are literally the reason I believe in evolution. It's like, I saw Max, like, yeah, all right, dude, I get it. There's no way we didn't come from apes. Look at this human right here.

He's a monster. I couldn't agree with that more. You had me convinced. All right, next one. Game of golf does not exist on planet Earth. What does Max Homa do for a living? Cry. I'll be somebody on the street, just like, you know,

trying to be the funny guy to get a couple quarters here and there. I'd be in trouble because consumer behavior. Who knows what that is? Good question. I'd say you always fall back on that consumer behavior. Quick intermediary between the emergency nine. Did you, there was never a time when you were going through like 2017, maybe lose your web.com card.

Like, hey, it might be time to do something else. Never thought about it. Oh, I thought about it. I have a lovely wife. It wasn't my wife at the time, but really stuck it out with me. Every time I brought up something else, like broadcasting or like getting, I thought about getting into like podcasting or whatever. She was just like, that's not going to make you that happy because golf,

like playing good golf makes me happy. And she really hammered that home and like pinpointed that in me. And I was obviously glad that she did. I'm sure she's probably glad that she did as well because we're not like living in a cardboard box at the moment. But that's like I wandered here. in there. But that's, again, to anybody going out there with, like, problems or, like, trying to, like, persevere something. Like, that's perseverance. You're not going to be perfect. It's not going to be, like, some very obvious linear way to go. Like, you're going to have bumps

in the row. But it's like, if you take that bump and you keep going, that's where things go bad, like, you need to get back on track and go. And I thought that, you know, with the help of her and a lot of my, like, you know, friends in support system, like, I fortunately didn't linger on broadcasting because now that I know Shane, like, I couldn't really do it. Like, he does, his voice is better. He flows better. He does it stumble. And, and, you know, he's, drag on like I do as much. So like I'm like okay like that's a pro like you're a plus seven. Yeah listen to Lacey. Podcast isn't for you either. Stay out of the podcast game. Leave this stuff. Listen to your wife. All right number four.

You have to pick one. Okay. One week on tour either myself or the sleaze is caddying for you. Who you're taking? Oh man. That's a great question. I'm going to go with cold. You're out. Because Cole first and foremost has seen all of the golf courses. He's also played a considerably better golf in I had Tiger Woods golf going up, dude. I've seen them all. All you do is hit 340-yard yack, spin it straight sideways. If my ball's in the air, you're going to be like, hey, spin it, spin it, spin it, spin it. Spin it. There are three wood back right by the hole. What are you doing? Thank you. I'd be a great loop. And you're now demoted on. I don't know if Titleist makes big enough hats for you to

wear while you can. Do they make visors? I'm going to need a special edition. I'll ask. Okay, yeah, you can handle that. All right. Next one. Match part two just happened with Tiger and all the boys. If you were part of match three, who do you want is your celebrity. I get to play. You get to play. You're playing. You get to pick your partner. Oh, that's a great question. I'd love Steph Curry as my partner. What he did at the web.com event in Hayward in California was like one of the most impressive things I've ever seen. I think he shot 70 or 71 the first round. He's a stud golfer. Seems like a the greatest dude. Seems like he'd be fun. But it would be nice to like have some help. As I saw with the alternate shot,

Like, didn't look, I was getting a little nervous for Tom Brady myself, so I want somebody who I know I could rely on. Well, with that answer, you should probably go ahead and book a hotel for Pebble next year. I don't think Aaron is going to be too happy. He doesn't want it. He doesn't want to play it. I thought it was a slam dunk, Aaron. I did too. He doesn't want. He's going to be playing the, uh, well, I guess we're not doing like a yearly thing. But if it was the same time, he should be playing football this time next year. And side note, didn't Steph Curry beat our good friend John Mallinger in the first round of that event? So that was a year before, Malley withdrew just before he beat him for both rounds. Okay, perfect.

Shocking. How convenient, Hall. Tell you a NBA player be at golf. If Aaron wants to play, you can play, but I'm assuming he's going to be all the way to win in a Super Bowl. We were really nervous this year that he was going to make it to Super Bowl

because he couldn't play the Pebble Beach thing. We were rooting for him, but we were like a little bit happy that he was able to play. All right. Meanest thing anyone's ever said to you on social media? This was the most, like, it wasn't meant to be mean, I don't think.

but I remember one day I was at Sea Island playing my practice around on Wednesday. And I opened my phone after and I saw a tweet and all it said was, at Kevin Kisner at Max Homa. I was like, sick. I'm back, baby. I'm in good graces with people. People are like, you're pretty good just like Kevin Kisner.

So I scroll up, see what the tweet really was. And it said, who in order, who do you think to win a prize do you think is going to get first and last this week? Oh, no. That one hurt a little bit because I was like, all right, not back. scratch that on a block you didn't ask but i'll share mine because i always like telling the this story one evening i forgot it was like justin thomas's birthday i just tweeted like happy

birthday at justin thomas and this guy responded won't you try making a cut you fat i was like that's twitter just wishing a buddy birthday man like what the hell do you want me to do maybe you should go practice i'm like it's nine o'clock in the way that people can take their brains really really go some weird spots that was one of my favorites there's a beautiful blue sky today i'm colorblind you asshole i hit you i was thinking about this During the last dance, I was going to do a social experience via Twitter. And just during the last dance, the last episode, I was just going to write, I really like watching LeBron James play basketball just to see what people would have said.

Mayhem. It would have been Mayhem. The army would have been flooding. The Army would have been flooding. That's my Twitter. Yeah, it's a sneaky little place. All right, next question. Shane Bacon and Joe Griner, your caddy are both drowning in the ocean.

You're in a boat. You have one life vest. You can only throw it to one of them. Who do you say? This is Joe. I'm sorry, Shane. I'm sorry, Shane knows where it stands in my life. Shane is in my favorites on my phone.

Pretty awesome moment, but he is below Joe in my favorites on my phone. I need Joe. That was zero hesitation. Oh, it was. I sent some little chemistry issues there between this other podcast, do not be named. You could try to fray this, but we'll be right. We're going to clip that in a perfect way and blast it out that you hate, you hate Shane Baker. Didn't mean I hate him.

I just really love Joe. Right, okay, fair. Number eight, who is someone you wish would send you a swing to row? Oh, someone I wish would send me a swing to Rost. Man, I've got so many. I don't know if I have one. I think it would be really funny if Tiger sent me his. Just so I could say, I think it's the best thing I've ever seen in my life.

You born on. Michael Jordan would be great because his swing isn't exactly ideal. And it would give me a chance to tell people like Michael Jordan knows who I am for like a minor moment in life. but I've had a lot of people sent my favorite one I've actually gotten was from Christian Yelich who's become a buddy of mine and I was there the day he did that so the fact that he like owned up and like sent in the swing where he literally misses a golf ball and he's he was the MVP in all of baseball that year that was a good one to get so it's hard to top you get the MVP of baseball sending you a strikeout in golf before we get to the last one I just got to ask one more because I want to know this actually you got the Dodger hat on but you're a big basketball guy Lakers guy. Lakers, you go kind of, you're mostly Lakers, right? I'm only Lakers. Only Lakers.

So. I hate the Clippers. Okay, one team wins a championship. The other one doesn't. You go on Dodgers or going Lakers? Dodgers, good God. This last six years has put a toll on my life. Just a tease.

I mean, it's just been, just punch after punch to the face. Like, I don't know if I can handle it a lot more. I joke about this lot, but I do mean it. I envy my friend Peter, who is a huge Giants fan because they're just like not relevant at all, where we have to be relevant all year and then not do it. it's nice how bad his team is most of the time. Like I envy that a little bit because I team's just so good all the time. I know we don't ever finish.

But like that's what's difficult for me. Like it must be so nice to have just such a bad baseball team in the Giants. Right. That's a very nice backhanded compliment. You can just give up like a month into the season. You guys have no chance. We at least get teased. Yeah, if only something good could happen to the city of L.A.

And they could win a title once in a while. Wouldn't that be great. I'll take either. Everyone would be so thrilled if something great could happen to L. I've seen five Lakers. I've seen zero daughters, so it's kind of an easy. And you've got the lid on, so I know you're real. You're legit guy.

All right, last question, dude, and this is not to be taken lightly. Look me in the eye when I ask this right now. 18-hole match. Golf subpar versus whatever the name of your podcast is in an 18-hole match. Who wins? I mean, mine? No, it's wrong. I beat seven and six the other day.

Oh, what? Oh, what? Oh, erroneous. Sorry, six and five. Erroneous. Six and five. A, I don't remember that. Whistro.

Probably a lot of transfusions. C, rematch. D, I have Colth on my team now. You got to represent the brand a little better. Don't worry about that. I just took down Harrington, bro. What do you want from me? That'd be good contact.

Your subpar podcast, my not-to-be-named podcast. We could do a two-on-two little Instagram live. We actually 100% should do that. That's actually a pretty legit fair match. What's Shane's handicap? Shane's a plus three. All right. That's done.

That's a good match. They're a good match. No, disagree. We're everyone's favorites. Never been the knee, dude. Do not been the favorites on the golf course. I mean, to be honest, he's better than me. Even though I've been giving him a run for his money lately when we've been playing.

I'll smack Shane in the face. Shane will be out there putting makeup on trying to look pretty, dude. I'll hand him his ass. You're going to hear his voice. You guys are going to get intimidated. I will hand his ass to him. He's going to be all the primping and getting ready for the camera. Just to be clear, if he does jump in the lake on 18 upper at Wisbrook, I will save him from drowning if Joe's not there.

All right. So that's a bet. We will do that because that's actually like a legit fair match. and this needs to be had. Yeah. That's a, that's the only fair way. All right,

done. We will do that. All right. I knew you'd say that. We're not going to take on the golf pass and Rory though, right? No.

Okay, cool. Carson Daly can just sit in the cart and still there's done. Go about his business. It has to be like a combined after the good score. Page brand it, get a partner.

Yeah, yeah, she's in too, whoever she wants. Awesome. Well, Max, man, that's been a lot of fun. Really appreciate you joining us.

Yeah, I'm super pumped to be on here. You guys, two of my best friends. Golf Podcast. One of the best. You're the greatest, bro. Appreciate you.

Well, Sleazy Man, it's always so much fun to sit down with Max. He's one of the best. But I tell you, I've been thinking about how excited I am for this potential huge match we have. Not small. The potential is limitless for this deal. And I was sitting down right in my E9 questions. And the last one was like, I was going to ask him something about his podcast or ours being better. Take a little shot at him on his podcast.

I was like, on paper, this thing stacks up pretty comparably. I mean, Max obviously probably right now being that he's still playing. the best, but like you're right there, tour guy versus tour guy. Shane and I stack up pretty close to one another. So this has a chance to be the real deal, Holyfield. If I was setting the odds, I would say they're a slight favor. They're minus 120. Depending on where we play.

Minus 120. And yes, also very much depending on where we play. Knowing Shane's game, we do need like a Whisper Rock or a Silver Leaf, a desert golf course. Bring it in. He smashes, but it can also go a little sideways. I haven't played golf with him, but I've been told that he just sends it. He can move it. So we definitely need shorter, tighter,

you and I, we hit Fairways, Max. We'll throw him off his game. We get the mics going. We get the chirp going. We'll throw him off. Shane's a bit of the wild card right now. But this match needs to happen. The people need it.

We need it. We're dying for fun, live golf right now. So this is, this is, this needs to happen. I can't wait. Golf subpar versus get a script. Whatever. The podcast that shall not be named. Bragging rights are for forever.

Unless we lose, we'll pretend it never happen. We'll never air the video or do anything. But if we win, it's going to be everywhere. Well, we're going to win. Stay positive. Let's go get a little. practice and I'll work with you on the game. I need some work, dude. We'll do it. Well, Sleazy, next week, another massive guest. He is one crazy son of a bitch. Mr. Jeremy

Ronek will be live in studio. He is about as wild of a dude as you could possibly find. You play golf of them. I've gotten to play golf with him. He, his lack of fear for all, like, dangerous animals, especially snakes, the rattlesnakes up here, he gets on me, waves, he does crazy stuff. The man is wild. I can't wait to hear what we get into with him. I hope it gets extremely wild. I'm confident it might. I'm confident it might. But until next week. Y'all stay safe. Stay healthy and we'll see you on next week's golf subpar.