Subpar - Ozzie Smith talks the pressure of playing in pro-am events, how he became known as ’The Wizard’

Episode Date: December 13, 2022

On this week's episode of GOLF's Subpar, MLB Hall of Famer Ozzie Smith joins former PGA Tour pro Colt Knost and jicky jack legend Drew Stoltz for an exclusive interview. The 15-time All-Star talks how he became known as 'The Wizard', his favorite golf courses in the world and how he handles the pressure of playing in events like the American Century Championship.   Subpar Podcast: https://linktr.ee/Golf1271 Birdie Juice Merch: https://proshop.golf.com/collections/birdie-juice-collection -- Thanks to our official sponsor Dewar's. Make sure to check out their Reserve Bar listings today: https://www.reservebar.com/collections/house-of-dewars    As we always say, Rokform is the #1 speaker in the game today.  Visit http://rokform.com and use promo code SUBROK25 at checkout for 25% off your entire order.

Hello world. Welcome back to golf subpar with Colt Dost and Drew Stoltz. Shlis, there was a lot of action in the world of golf this past week. We had the match. We had the QBE. By the way, a frog picked up the title. Everything's coming up purple. Well, I'm just worried you might have peaked a little early. I'd rather peak early than never peak. That's always been my motto. Well, Sahith Tagala and Tom Hogue, pass guest on golf subpar. So that's another win for us as well. The Frog, they got it done over the Seagull, Charlie Hoffman and Ryan Palmer.

Yeah, how about that? First rookie squad to ever. come in there and get it done. No, first in 11 years. Excuse me, 11 years. What was that since it became the QBE or something? First rookie team, basically, to get it done. Watching that final round, the caliber of putting that was going on all over that golf course, I felt like it was unbelievable.

People were making it. Ryan Palmer with a new putter, rolled the shit out of it this week. He was unbelievable. Hogi was making puts. The Hith seems to always make puts. He was making them too. I mean, I thought just for a final round in a tournament, it's an unofficial event. it's not the biggest thing in the world like that was pretty that was about as good as it's going to get and the last hole it comes down to everyone had virtually you know roughly the same length but who's going to hoop it and so he stepped up there and did it you know and i know it's a it's a team competition it's an exhibition technically but like making a put with that much pressure on the line i think's going to do a lot of great things for sahith the gala going forward i mean it's not if it's when is he going to win i love watching him play so much there's no tech it doesn't feel like we've had him on radio and talk to him like there's not a lot of technique or technical thoughts

to go on that golf swing. It's just like hit it. If he hits it straight, if he can hit it in play, because there was a time earlier this year when we were speaking to him, he was like, I'm literally like last in driving accuracy. He's like, if I can just drive it in the fairway,

I will be in good shape. And he had two good chances this past year to pick one off. I'd be willing to bet a lot. He's going to get one this year. And I think he's a guy going forward. Like he's going to be the next kind of the next crop of like, all right, writer cup,

president's cup, that kind of caliber. I'm very, very high on his game. He's just, and I, he's like, probably the most likable like becoming one of the biggest fan favorites nice little christmas bonus yeah and then hoagie just yeah everything's coming what a year for that kid you know i mean shout out tommy boy for a big year wins at pebble earlier this year gets another one right here even though it's unofficial and then you got frogs rolling finally purple finally tc u produces a decent golfer. God, it's been

we're long overdue. Don't forget JJ Henry. Never heard of it. You know what I mean? Rider Cupper, by the way. Oh, that. Remember that? They wore the all-brown. Everything. They wore the Dwight Shrewt unies over there. But the, probably the biggest thing that happened in the game of golf this

past week was another edition of the match. Tiger Woods, Roy Macrooy against the dream team of Justin Thomas and Jordan Speath. Under the lights outside of Tampa, Pelican Golf Club. Jordan Speed and Justin Thomas. put on an absolute clinic. Yeah, things.

Seven birdies and ten holes. Best ball. And I mean, under the lights, I don't know if you have, if you've ever done it or not, but putting is so hard. There's so many shadows. You can't really see the slopes the way you want to.

Didn't bother Justin Thomas. Like everything's hard under, like if you ever even just hit balls on like a lighted up range or something like that, or you maybe played a hole where they put them out there. It's so weird. The shadows go like every different direction. It's hard to take a back swing

without seeing it over here or something like that. So going in, I was like there going to be some weird shots more than likely. But that thing, it was fun. There was good, but I mean, J.T. and Chuck probably, you know, held it all down. I got a little line for that. We got to see Tiger, you know, out there. What did you think of, I mean, look, I'm not going to freak out over a 12-hole exhibition

in a cart at night. But, like, my takeaway from Tiger was, yeah, he's rusty. You can tell he hadn't played a whole ton of golf, but, like, the speeds there, the golf swing looked good. And if he can figure out a way to get that leg walking around, I mean, he just has to play. Like there's no like these big guys how many times can you win the master's like dude no one can not play for a year and then show up at Augusta and win like you just have to knock off you got to play some competitive call. The walking concerns me. I mean the limp did not look good. The swing look

fine. I will hate on the TV coverage for a second because I think no no it's not the network it's just it's all I think just everyone in general they juice up these track man numbers right before they were getting ready to go tiger is a driver and it said 182. 182. I'm like guys. I'm like guys. first one and I was like stop it this can't be I'm like Justin Thomas out there you know typically when we see him he's like one mid 170 if he gases one you know that's Rory that's Rory numbers who's the best driver on the planet he and ROM I would say and one of the longest and I'm like Tiger just came off all this stuff and now he's at 182 on the driving I to believe that yeah on the driving range not even juiced up yet and then on the golf course you saw I mean he got I think his fastest it was

176 maybe you heard Justin say they were playing together last week at home or the week before and Tiger did get it over 180, but I'm like on the range. Like that, he did not look like he went out of hard and it pops up 182 and I just started laughing. I was like, can we please stop juicing this? So the people at home who actually go out on a trackman and their ball speeds 141 and he's like, wait a second. I'm 36, 36 miles an hour behind this guy. Are you serious?

The first one is the exact same one I saw. See, I was like, really? Yeah. 182 on the range right now, not even going, just kind of getting the rhythm. I was like, this feels like. But it was, it was great to see Tiger back. It's going to be a lot of fun this week. the PNC going at it with his son Charlie.

By the way, he's grown so much in the past year, and he looks like he lives in the gym with Tiger. I don't know where they're going to tee Charlie off from, if they have special Charlie teas or not, but Tiger isn't going to need to pull out that driver at all this week. If Charlie hits a golf swing, don't want to freak out over 12-year-old kids golf swing or whatever. God damn, it looks just like Rory's.

He is going to be, I mean, he's going to steal the show, but it's a great field. I mean, you've got Jordan and Sean Speeth, playing, Jordan's playing with his dad Justin and Mike Thomas, the Dailies, the woods,

I mean, it's going to be so much fun to watch. I can't remember which Corta is playing with her dad, but Ellie Corta stole the show at the QBE. She was phenomenal. She had Kevin Kisner calling her

the Tiger Woods of the LPCA tour. She was hooping it from everywhere. 18 was a hybrid she hit in there damn that went in. Yeah, that golf swing. Nice. I'm going to start,

I'm going to start swinging like that. You should. Yeah, I always changed. It was Xander for a while. It's not working for me. I'm going quarter now. The best thing you can do is have a nice bottle of doors, then go to the range, and you'll be back.

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I'm not sure I was listening to the beginning of that. I'm not sure I plan out every hole like a mission. You know? You don't plan out much. They're not a lot of, I don't know what it's called a mission on every hole. It just kind of whatever happens happens, we'll figure it out. All right, well, it's time for the doers' cheers moment of the week. I'm going to give a big cheers to Justin Thomas and Charles Barkley.

You kind of mentioned it a little bit earlier. They have to be on these matches. Justin Thomas is one of the few guys. I'll throw Kevin Kisner in there, Max Homa as well, who I think should be involved at some point. Justin Thomas isn't afraid to throw some shots out there at people. He's not scared to ruin his brand or anything like that. And then you got Charles Barkley.

Them going at it was my favorite part of the match. I would love to be on that broadcast just to help stir the podcast, just to help stir the pot a little bit. You know, Tiger's there. He doesn't say a whole lot. He doesn't have to. No one expects him to either, by the way. That's not his role.

But early on, right before they teed off, they were congratulating Justin Thomas on getting married. And he's like, how was it all this? He's like, dude, it was so much fun. It was seriously the best night of my life. I wish I could do it again. And Charles goes, well, man, you're pretty young. You probably are going to get to do it again.

Don't worry, man. You might get another crack out of it. And Jay, he's like, really bad. That's a low bow. And there's one that Chuck could get away with. Yeah, I mean? Trevor says that. Probably not going to land as much.

Could be some rumblings. Chuck says it. People laugh and forget about it. That's why Chuck's the best. And then J.T. throwing, Chuck's looking at that moon like an Oreo right now. I don't know why I like you. Those two always got to be on these things to make it entertaining.

JT has become the new, like now that Phil's not. Like Phil would carry it. Right? And sometimes maybe you could say it was too much, but he'd talk you all the way through a chip shot, something like that. Then he'd toss it back to Charles or somebody else in the tower and like keep the band, like at least keep the conversation. going like that's that's j t now i don't think you'll see another one as long as he wants to keep

playing him where he's not involved because there's not that many dudes that can do that no i mean you you saw the camera picked up jt had a coer's light in the cup holder like having a couple pops during it it's supposed to be fun it's for a great cause and then afterwards him and jordan post the video what happened you lost us everybody does yeah i love it those two i mean that's they should be friends those two they should they should get to know each other but in their whole team career they've lost two matches they were they're they're a team like you hate to play against them on tuesdays and practice round they just feed off each other so well mostly i think because they want to beat each other they want to be the star of the show on the team and they just it took some turns

too right they took some turns and their banter like they played so many they all know that you know it just plays like a routine hate to see it yeah exactly all the little sayings and stuff uh all right i'm just audible out of my cheers moment of the week thought about a new one we were just down in cobbow lucky enough to go down there play the pros and joes which is it's about as full of a of a golf tournament. Nice kind of golf tournament. One of the cool things they do that I've never done or seen before at a golf tournament is the night before.

Home run derby. You sign up if you want to. You're not forced to. They put it in a pitching machine. I don't know how far it goes, but you got a bunch of golfers out there trying to hit bombs over a real fence. I showed up. I was like, no one's hit it over this thing, but you do.

And got to see some terrible baseball swings from some very good golfers, which was fun. My favorite being, my son, Wyndham Clark, who was talking a lot of shit before. I was like, I'm signing you up too. You're going to go. We're going to go. I hit one.

Bomb, by the way. It would have been in the Cove in San Francisco. Squared one up, got it way over the yard. Wyndham gets up talking a lot of shit about what he's going to hit. I don't think he got one out of the infield. Most of them were foul balls back into the backstop, and I videoed damn near every swing, and I have it for forever, and it was awesome. There's also some tour players that were pretty damn good.

Will Gordon hit some yacks? Hit some yacks. Who else was deist? First off. about being on video. If anybody out there has it, I need your antics while you're at the plate. I mean, you're bat twirling before you even, the pitch even comes. I didn't realize I was doing that. Someone showed me one. You did not know you were doing that? I'd take after Gary Sheffield. A lot of movement up there. I think that's why I wasn't hitting in the air. There was more speed in that

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Well, judge for yourself. Here's Ozzy Smith on golf subpar. Okay, folks, we have a special dude with us here today. He's done it all. He's a world Series champ, 15-time All-Star, 13-time Gold Glove winner, one of the best shortstuffs in the history of baseball. Also one of the best nicknames, The Wizard. Ozzie Smith is with us. From outside, I see. How are we doing, Oz? I'm doing great, man. Just finished working out and stuff. And actually, it feels pretty nice. Now, he told me it's pretty chilly there in Scottsdale as well. I went to bed in Scottsdale and woke up in Scotland. It's 40 and raining. It looks nicer in St. Louis right now? Well, we don't have any rain, but it's a little overcast, but my cutoff is 50, you know,

so if we can squeeze, if I can squeeze like eight more degrees out here, I might go out and try and hit something today. Wow. Wow. Colt and I were going to go for our typical morning workout this morning, but too cold, dude. We couldn't do it. Rose are all wet, you know, safety first. It's dangerous out here. Yeah, but Slees mentioned your nickname, the wizard. First of, I mean, obviously it goes very well with how your name is, but who's the first person that ever called you that? You know what? It's hard to, it's hard to put my finger on exactly when that started. But, you know, because baseball, we shorten everybody's name. You know, it's Oz.

My real name is Osborne. And so my friend started calling me Oz. And of course, with the Wizard of Oz and all of that, you know, and I guess with the way that I played, now basketball is really what I excelled at in high school. And so I guess with some of the stuff that I did that I would guess that's where it started. And it just carried on the rest of my life. So you're better at basketball than baseball early on?

I wouldn't say better. It certainly has worked out better. Baseball has certainly worked out better than basketball would have. But, you know, it was the thing that I enjoyed in high school. And Eddie Murray and I played together in high school. We probably played more basketball than we did baseball. I saw that, you know, we'll launch right into the baseball stuff. You went to Cal Poly to play baseball.

I read that it was as a walk-on. You had an academic scholarship there, walked on to the baseball team. Was recruiting services just terrible back then that nobody saw you or like this kid's special? That's right. Dad, you know, when they came to scout our high school team, you know, Eddie Murray was the guy that did everything. I mean, he pitched, he caught. He could hit for power. He could hit for average, you know.

So here was this 145, 150 pounds shortstop that they never really took a look at. And, you know, size has always played a big part in today's world. I'm not sure that a prototypical shortstop like myself would even get drafted, you know, because they're looking for those guys who can hit the ball out of the ballpark and stuff. And from that standpoint, I don't think things have really changed. They're always looking for that big guy who has some athletic ability, and they're willing to forego some defense for offense the guys that guys are able to generate. Yeah, and you mentioned, you know, getting, you might not get drafted in today's world,

but you got drafted, first off, by the Detroit Tigers, which is a rather interesting story. Can you tell us about your negotiating tactics with the Detroit Tigers? Yeah, you know, I played semi-pool baseball in a little small town called Clarenda, Iowa. What would happen is after our college season, they would send us out to places to play to hopefully help you develop as a player and hopefully as a person as well. And I went to a little small town called Clarenda, Iowa. I spent a couple years there. And in 1976, I get drafted by the Detroit Tigers, the same year, Alan Trammell, Lou Whitaker, and I think it was Jack Morris were drafted.

And I finished three years of my schooling. I promised my mom that I would get my education. And they offered me $8,500. And I said, well, you know, if they don't pay me at least $10,000, they're not going to take a real good look at me. So in my infinite wisdom, I went back and I said, you know, if you give me another $1,500, I'll take the gamble. And they said they didn't have it into budget. So I went back to school in hopes of getting drafted my senior year, which I did by the San Diego Padres and being a good businessman that I am, guys, I signed for $5,000 and a bus ticket to Wall of Austin where I started my professional career. That sounds like our negotiations with our podcast contract here.

I need 10 or nothing. All right, no deal. All right, I'll take five. Forget it. I'll take five. I'll take less than the initial offer. But that was it. And stuff, and I tell kids all the time that when you see guys that have made it to the professional ranks,

the road there is different for everybody and everybody that has made it weren't bonus babies and I certainly was not that and I'm not the only one that that happened to. There are a lot of guys that, you know, end up gambling on themselves pretty much like Aaron Judge did this year, you know. You believe in yourself and your ability to do what it is you do and you go out there and you perform under the pressure and that's what basically what I had to do. I had to prove. myself and it was nothing new for me because being a small guy you really have to prove yourself over and over again. And so I did. Have you talked to anyone? I'm sure throughout the years from the Tigers organization, that's got to be one of their biggest regrets. Like we just could

have pointed up 1,500 more and we'd had Ozzy. Well, you know what? I think that they did pretty well with Alan and Lou. They ended up being one of the longest combinations in baseball here. history, you know. So I think it worked out well for them. You know, it would have been fun to see exactly how that would have played out. But, you know, I think it worked out well for everybody. And I don't think that they were, that they had any regrets with the draft that they made. Yeah, it did. It did work out well for everybody. You mentioned Aaron Judge, who just signed for nine years, $360 million, bet on himself a little bit. What are your thoughts when you hear about these contracts nowadays compared to, you know, what you made back when you were playing?

Well, you know, of course, you know, you say, wish you were playing today, you know, because it is flowing so, so freely and so easy now. And I think that, you know, when you look around at some of the guys that I had the opportunity to play with, you can't help but say, you know, what was somebody like that? What would it be his worth today? And that's not to take anything away from the guys today. But, you know, I play with some pretty good players and against some pretty good players. players as well, you know. So I guess everything is relative in our day and in time. I guess we got paid the top dollar. And I'm not sure that we've reached the ceiling yet. You know, when you look at some of these contracts back in the 1978, 79, I think when we had the strike, you know, I thought we had reached the ceiling. But I'm not sure that we have reached the ceiling because they just keep getting bigger and bigger. What was your biggest contract you signed? You had. It was a, The last couple years of my career were, I think I was right at $3 million. Wow.

And I was right for that. That's incredible. Now, Aaron Judge makes 40. That's like every home, every two games. Like, there you go. Here's your three. You got it. Ozzy, what do you think about just the state of baseball right now, like the game

itself? We talk to NFL players about when they played versus now NBA players, same thing. Everyone tends to think the game gets softer and is a little bit worse, I think, from their era. Do you feel like that in baseball, too? Well, you know, back in my day, you know, you were, you were a fair game around second base, you know. It was a guy's job to come in there and break up to double play, which I understood as long as a guy was doing it cleanly, had no problem with it. And now you can't touch the guy at second base. You got to give the guy laying at home plate.

You know, so from that standpoint, yes, it has softened. Of course, none of us want to see anybody get hurt. But it's part of what we do, you know, it's part of the. risk that we run when we get out there. And if the game is on the line, say you're playing in the seventh game of the World Series and a guy's trying to turn to double play, and I shouldn't make it easy for him to turn to double play. And that's basically what we've done. You can't be touched at second base. And you've got to be able to touch a bag. And now we're talking about making the bag bigger too. So, yeah, things have changed. And it's those little things like that that I think that have really

having an impact on the game. I know we're probably going to get to talking about shifts and all of that stuff as well. You know, I think that, you know, personally, when we talk about shifts, back in the day, we didn't really shift. We just kind of, we played slight pool or whatever because I think that in the long run, you end up taking yourself out of a play more than you put yourself in a play. And as a player, if they, I took it, I would take it personally. or the guys that I played with the generation would take it personally

if they said, I'm going to put everybody on this side of the field because we don't believe you can hit the ball the other way. That's where pride and all of that stuff comes into play. I'd spend a lot of time getting to the ballpark early, working on hitting the ball the other way, if, in fact, they were going to play me a certain way. Before we get back to the great Ozzy Smith, once again, you've got to go to the golf.com pro shop,

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Go get it now. Back to Ozzy Smith. I mean, you look at the game now, and it's all about analytics, especially when you get to the playoffs in the World Series. Like, it's crazy. A pitcher can be absolutely killing it for five innings, have a shutout, nothing. All of a sudden, the analytics guy says, oh, we need to take him out. Was that ever even a thought back in your day?

No, no, no, no. You know, back in the day and even before, you know, back and Bob Gibson in those guys' days, even when they had a great year, there was no guarantee that they were going to get a raise. You know, so when a guy told the slab, he was going, he was there to go to distance. And there were some games when I was growing up in L.A., there was some games where a pitcher, two pitchers, a real pitcher's duel was, you know, could go 14, 15 innings. You know, 0,0 in the 14th, the 15th inning. I can remember Vin Scully calling a game one time where it was, it was 12, I mean, zero, zero in the 12th inning.

You know, so today, you know, a guy's throwing a no hitter through six and they pull them out. It's just crazy. What would the pitcher have done in your era if he had a no-no going and going into the seventh? They're like, hey, you hit your 83 pitches. That was your max count today. We're going to yank you. The guy would have gone crazy, wouldn't he? All right.

You would have gone nuts. You know, I'm not coming out. No, I got a chance. I got a chance to make history. And I'm not so sure that making history is that important anymore. That's a good. That's a good point. But Ozzy, you were one of, if not the best, defensive shortstop the game has ever seen.

Is there a guy in today's Major League Baseball that kind of reminds you of you? You know, we talked about this earlier. Prototypical, you know, they don't have a lot of folks. The guy that was Omar Viscale in the American League. You know, he was my counterpart. And, you know, you had plenty of guys. You know, Larry Bull was one of those guys. Back in the day, it was all about guys who could cover ground.

They didn't have to be guys that hit the ball out of ballpark. But I think that, you know, Cal, Alex Rodriguez, and those guys start proving that, you know, they could play the position very consistently and put up big numbers. And I think that was the impetus for giving bigger guys the opportunity to play the position. I think you have a gift, I think it's fair to say, along with a lot of the other great athletes in their sport, that just you're born with something special that a lot of other people don't have. But I was reading about how you, you worked on your reflexes as a kid, like throwing a ball against, I think it was the steps or something like that. Can you talk about what you did as a kid that gave you kind of your quick twitch? Well, you know, here again, I think that when I was growing up, we spent a lot of time outside and, you know, a lot of time by yourself.

I had four brothers, but none of them were really into sports and stuff. So I had to be creative. I had a peak roof, you know, and show you how dumb I was as a kid. I used to throw the wall up on one side and try and run around to the other side, hoping that it hits the gutter and allow me to catch it before it hit the ground. And it was things like that as I got older that I realized that it was crazy and it was stupid. And I was never able to get there in time. But it was because of things like that, that,

type of determination that made me the player that I ultimately became. I used to throw the ball against the steps and just, you know, continuing to work on my hand and eye coordination, which I was born with. I used to lay on the floor and throw the ball up and close my eyes to get the field ball hitting the glove without seeing it, not knowing that that was enhancing a skill that I already had. And so many times when, you know, when there was a play, it becomes very reactionary. And you know that you're probably going to be a better player operating in your subconscious mind than conscious. And so a lot of the things that I did were just, they were automatic. It just happened because of the little things that I did as a kid growing up that helped

enhance something that I was born with. I threw the ball over my house one time and then about four hours later, my mom told me to go pick it up. And there's still the balls over there. You lost your ball. I saw it later. I'm not going to get that. That's a good nap.

I forgot about that ball. But what about, I mean, other than being probably the best defensive shortstop ever to play, the other thing you're very well known for is the backflip. Also reading about how you came up with that as a kid. Can you talk about that and also the first time you decided to debut that thing? Well, you know, here again, spending a lot of time outside. You know, we didn't have phones and all of that stuff, you know. So we had to be creative in the way that we went about the things that we did.

And we love sports. And I lived across the street from where they used to build pallets. And so there was always plenty of sawdust. So we as kids used to go over and we'd get these old tires and patch the inner tube up. And my brothers or friends would sit on the side and we used that as kind of a springboard and we'd flip into the sawdust. And then on Thursdays we'd go to Family Fund Center where they had trampolines in the ground. And so we just kind of taught ourselves how to tumble. And then when I signed with the podcast,

And my first big league camp, 1978, we had to run a couple miles after we finished working out, which I wasn't very fond of. I was at the back of the pack, and the guys gave me a hard time about being a young guy at the back of the pack. So to show them I wasn't tired, I did my roundoff backflips, and I had pretty good hops at the time. And Gene Tennis, who was a teammate, had girls that were involved in gymnastics, and he wanted me to show them that I could do that at some point in time during the season, which I, wasn't able to do. So the final day of the season, which was fan appreciation day, he and the PR guy thought it would be a good idea for me to do it going out to my position. Well, I was reluctant to do it because in San Diego, the entertainment was the chicken. And I didn't want it. I didn't want it to appear that I was trying to show up the chicken.

I reluctantly did it. People liked it so much, they asked me to do an opening day the following year. And lo and behold, a trademark was born. I mean, you got to respect the chicken. I get it. Chicken was special, you know. He was, he was the entertainment. And that was one of the, that was one of the highlights for me, you know, having a chance to start my career there in San Diego because, you know, I got to see the rebirth of the chicken as well, because I think he started out as a radio personality. And then Ted Gia Nullis went out on his own and created this, this character that I think started all of the different characters all throughout sports. He was that, he was that entertaining. You know, I was interested to hear the first time you did it because I figured you just went out there and did it on your own and some manager almost had a heart attack, I'm sure, when you went flying through the air. No, you know, people always ask me, was I ever afraid of not making it? And as a kid, I mean, I built up so much confidence that I, if I didn't feel that I could do it, I would have never done it. But, you know, I had pretty good leaves. It got lower and lower as the years went on, you know.

So in 1996, I think my last one, you know, you somebody have to put my hands down. The spring was gone. I was going to ask when the last one you ever did was. Well, the very last one was done in 2002, and I did it up at the Hall of Fame. And on my first pass, I pulled a calf muscle. It was ugly. It was ugly. It was bad.

Still doing it, though, at 2002. I mean, that's, you got to be one of the oldest dudes, I think, to probably ever attempt to do a backflip. I remember going and watching you as a kid, by the way. And that was like, my biggest thing was like, I got to see the backflip, got to see the back. That was the whole thing, you know? That's the only time Siles has ever been on time was there to get there in the first time. Yeah, I was like, we can't miss a winning pitch. I got to see odds do the flip.

Yeah. Well, I know you're passionate about your golf. We got to talk a little bit about your golf. We got to meet down here at the Holiday Classic in Scottsdale, met several years ago. But tell me, tell us, how did you first get into golf? What age were you and how did it all happen? I never, as a kid, I never picked up a golf club. Golf was never an interest.

You know, I grew up in South Central Los Angeles, and it was baseball, basketball, or football. And so golf was never that thing for any of us, me or Eddie. And it was 19, I'm going to say it was 19, it was the late 80s. Whitey Herzog had a tournament, and I have a friend here that got me involved. He said, we're going to have a tournament in a couple days, and we'd like you to hit the ball off the tea, the first tee. And I said, you know what, I've never played golf. He said, well, come out and we'll hit some balls, and if you're not comfortable, we, you know, we won't do it. So I went out and a couple days early, and I hit some balls, and, you know, he gave me the basics and the fundamentals.

You know, as an athlete, I love the process. and that process continues today, knowing that I will never perfect it, but getting it to a point of consistency where I know what it is that I'm trying to achieve. And this guy was an old pro by the name of Mike Murphy, and he was running Whitehurst's golf tournament, and we went out, we hit some balls, and I got comfortable enough to where I felt that I wasn't going to kill somebody off of the first tee. So I went out in a couple of days and I hit it and it went down the middle. And that was it.

You know, when you hit it good and stuff. And I've been hooked every sense. And I've been a part of the process of trying to get better at working, teaching myself how to get more square than open or close. And one of the toughest things is because the ball is sitting. still. You know, as a baseball player, it's all your, your timing and everything is off of the pitcher when he gets to this point. But in golf, you have to generate all of that yourself. And I think that's been part of the challenge. And for anybody who's played any sport for 15, 20

years, there's a competitive void in your life after you're done. And so golf fills that competitive void because I'm competing, first of all, against myself, competing against the course and the people that you play against. And as I said, I love the process of trying to figure it out. You know, when I got other things on my mind, it's golf that I can go downstairs and hit on the simulator. It's real relaxing. No one ever perfects golf, like you said, but where are you right now, handicap-wise, for everybody listening? I'm, you know, I'm right at a four. And I'm at that stage of where, you know, chipping a little bit better and putting a little bit better is the thing that's going to make it more fun for me. People ask me, you want to try and get on the tour?

No, I don't need that stress. You know, I just want to be able to go out and have fun and enjoy it with my friends and play like the holiday classic that we play in. There are some wonderful events that I have a chance to play in. and I played up in Tahoe for 11 years. And it's just fun. It's just being able to get myself to a position where I don't embarrass myself when I'm out there playing. Good goal. Yeah, you mentioned Tahoe, though.

I mean, here you are. You play in front of Packed Stadium, playing baseball all the time. What are the nerves like for Ozzie Smith when he steps on the first tee at Tahoe with a lot of people out there watching? Well, Cole, you know that people expect you because you're a professional athlete. They expect you to be able to do it and do it well. And, you know, golf's not easy. It's not easy to go out there and hit the ball exactly where you want to, especially when you have to create everything yourself after coming from a sport

where the pitcher generates all the momentum and stuff for you. So, yeah, it was scary, but that's part of the challenge, too, you know, to get to that point to where there's some comfortability at going out there and being able to perform on that stage. And that'll be the challenge until I can't play anymore. Yeah, it's funny seeing some of those celebs out there that have been in the either packed stadiums or packed arenas, singing and perform whatever they do, they get up on that first tee and you all of a sudden, they look vulnerable from the first time and it's funny to watch.

You know, you know what's tough for a lot of us for me anyway, is the quiet, gets too quiet. You know, we're used to the noise and stuff. And I tell people, you know, it always, it always amazed me the guy goes, then you were talking in my back swing. You know, you got 50,000 people yelling at you when you're playing. And now, you know, somebody talking in your back swing is the reason you hit the ball bad. You know, noise doesn't bother me. As a matter of fact, if I'm doing what I'm supposed to be doing, then that doesn't distract me at all.

I like that. I like that. Give us some of your favorite courses you've played and maybe some that you haven't yet. Well, you know, one of my favorite one, favorite courses is, playing down I got a chance to play Augusta National three times. I have a buddy of mine from Augusta that was fortunate enough. I was able to do some things with Boys and Girls Club down there and gotten a chance to play there. I love Sage Valley.

That's one of my favorite walking courses. I love Shadow Creek. Yes. It's a beauty. playing at Pebble. You know, Pebble's beautiful, but I like the other courses. Some of the other courses around there are a little bit of views at Pebble, but some of the other courses around there are fun to play.

And, you know, where else have I played? Having to play in Colorado, you know, played in Boulder and ball flies there, you know, it makes you feel like Superman there. And then, of course, Arizona, you know, Whisper Rock is one of my favorites. Is there a place you haven't played yet that you really want to? Because I bet we could probably make it happen. I've never played Cypress Point. Can you believe that?

Never played. And it's special. I hear so many people talk about that. But I have had a chance to play a place called Tariati, which is in New Zealand. You know, I had a chance to do years ago. and that was a lot of fun. It's, you know, playing in Scotland, of course. I played the old course and I played the new course.

So I've been very fortunate since I retired to have had the opportunity to play some pretty nice courses. And, you know, looking forward to playing them again. Yeah, yeah, you got a hell of a lineup there. And you're playing some of the, like, the pro-am stuff too. I know you play the BMW charity pro-am on the Corn Fairy tour. Are there any pros you've gotten to know or gotten to play with and kind of developed a relationship with over the years? Oh, yeah.

I've gotten to play with, you know, Jim Furik is a super, super guy. I used to go to his tournament all the time. And just a wonderful person. I've had a chance to play with Jim Thorpe. I've had a chance to play with Jack Nicholas. I've had a chance to play with Tom Watson. It's just, I mean, it's just been Anika Sorenstown. Who else have I played with?

those are the names that just kind of jump out at you that I've had a chance to spend some time around and watch. And there's always something to learn from players of their caliber, you know, at learning if it's just tempo or speed or, you know, learning how to stay back and positioning where to put the ball. So that's where I pick up a lot of the stuff that I know. I watched you the other day, by the way we play the same clubs so i know i'm on the right track you know we do shout out callow for those great clubs great so when you play with those guys like you mentioned like jack and onica so you find that like the whole time you're playing you want to ask them golf questions the entire time and then they want to ask you baseball stuff the whole time yeah we do

um you know we do talk we talk the sport and then we talk the other sport um you know like when i was with anica you know she she wanted to know a lot about baseball and all of the little intricacies of it. And, of course, me watching her swing, I mean, that to me is a different swing. It's so easy and so smooth. And the ball seems to go so much further, you know, that easy swing. Because as guys, you know, it's hard not to get muscle in there sometimes, you know, especially when you have to, you got a long distance or a distance that you're not comfortable with.

you know, you have a tendency to tighten up and swing harder when it should be just the opposite. You know, you should be relaxing a little bit more and letting it fly off the club. No doubt about it. Are you a guy that enjoys watching golf on TV when you're not playing? Yeah, I do because, you know, there's so many different styles. You know, in baseball, you know, some guys start here. Some guys are down here. And it's fun watching guys, you know, the different styles.

aisles that they have out there now, you know, the kinks. And I'm always looking for the thing that gets a guy going, you know, how he develops his tempo and his rhythm. And it's a lot of weird, a lot of weird things out there and people have different swings. But that's the way it is because we're not all built the same way. And I've heard, I think it was Lee Trevino that said, you know, with some guys, it looks like they're all robots. And we're all trying to teach the guys all the same way. It's hard when everybody has different bodies to be able to teach them the same way. And that's why the process for me is always so much fun, you know, because, you know, I may come out today.

And if I slept wrong last night, you know, the swing that I had yesterday, it may be different today, you know. So you've got to be able to figure those things out. And I think that's what makes the game so fascinating. It's guys who have the ability if things are going around. And I guess improvisation is probably the best word for the people. being able to improvise today with what you have to work with. And if you can win with that,

then, you know, that's somebody that has that special talent. Yeah, it's a beautiful game, crazy game. Also, yeah, drives you freaking insane. Ozzie, you could bat from both sides of the plate when you were playing. When you first picked up golf, could you hit it from both sides or can you still hit it from both sides? You can, but there's not the same comfortability on my left side as it is on my right.

I'm a natural right hand. So it's a little tougher left-handed getting to that point to where there's some consistency now. I think that we, if you're a switch hitter, you do it for those special situations where you got a tree or something in your line and stuff. But to be able to do it consistently, I could not. Yeah, I'm with you on that. I look absolutely ridiculous trying to hit a ball left-handed. Some days that are good, though. Yeah, there are.

Some guys that can just go. Let me ask you this one question because you said you picked up golf after kind of you got done playing baseball. were playing and like nowadays, these pitchers when they go on road trips, they're bringing their clubs and they're out there playing because they only work once every five days, whatever. Were they doing that when you were playing? No, there were very few guys that did that. I think that that's been part of the generational change, you know, as we've gone along, they've been a little bit more lenient at letting guys, you know, play golf on the road.

But when we were playing, it was all about the business of baseball. and, you know, working hard to make sure that you were ready to be in and prepare it every day. And that sometimes could be a distraction if you were involved in another sport. These pitchers, they got it. 300 million and you can bring your sticks. Does that work for you? Yeah. And it only throw five innings, you know.

Yeah. And we're going to stop you at 80 pitches. Yeah. Do you think that's a deal you could be okay with? That's a pretty nice thing. No kidding. All right, Ozzie, well, we do this with everyone. We do an emergency nine segment, just nine fun questions to get to know you a little better.

And we ask this to everyone. You can trade lives with anyone, be them for a day. They can be dead or alive. Just get to experience their life for a day. Who would it be? They are alive. It can be anybody? Anybody.

I don't know. The greatest, Mohammed Ali, probably. you know, I think that this was a, he was a person that kind of changed. He changed the way we look at the world. You know, at one time, he was one of the most hated people in the world, but he became the greatest. And, you know, I think that would, that would have been fun. That's, I like that answer.

That's a very good. That's a first. That might be the first. And another person with a tremendous nickname. Yeah. One that could rival the wizard, you know what I mean? Go from the wizard to the greatest. That's a good lineup.

I'll give you this one, Oz, because I routed off your resume at the beginning. You've done virtually everything you can do in baseball. What would you say is your greatest golf accomplishment to this point? Well, you know, what three, four weeks? I don't have been longer than that. You know, anytime you can shoot in the 60s. And that's been my goal, you know, to have at least one or two rounds in the 60s during the course of a golf season.

And I was able to do that two times this year, you know. So that was that that was pretty special. I like that out of one of mine was what what's what's the higher number your jersey number or the amount of holes in one you have? Uh, well, I don't have a. My number was one. I don't have a one. Oh, no. I thought that was going to be a.

That's the one. Isn't that something? All right. We got to get above that jersey number at some point. You got to play the holiday classic more. They need five holiday classes. classics a year. That's great. All right. I give you this one. What got you more hyped up as a player, you personally, making an incredible play in the field or hitting a bomb? You know, because I was

notably a defensive player, what I try and tell people is that momentum is not just offense. Momentum can be defense as well. And I prided myself on being able to create momentum from a defensive standpoint. I think that that's, that's one of the things that made me stand out. I, I use defense as a way of changing momentum. And you did. Yeah. And it worked. All right. My next one, you know, this is something not very many people get to experience, but in 2002, when the Olympic torch was making its way to Salt Lake City for the winter games, you got to be a torch bear. Yeah. Like, where does that rank in your life? How cool is that moment? That was way up there, too, you know, and, you know, I had no idea.

But I think it speaks to, you know, where your place is in a city when you're one of the people that is asked to run the torch, you know. So that was a real honor for me to have the opportunity to do that. And that ranks very high. I get me nervous carrying that thing around too, right? You're talking about the first tee at Tahoe? Carrying that thing around got to be pretty high on the nerve meter, wouldn't it? It was. And, you know, all of the excitement that is created and, you know, people are yelling and screaming as you're going now.

the street and that's that's one of the special moments in my life yeah one one misstep and a little fall down and that's going to live on the internet for forever so you did a good job you avoided all that all right here's one for you give me the one other celebrity golfer that you enjoy beating the most celebrity golfer that i enjoy beating well any you got a rival well any i don't have a golf well i have a football buddy that i play with all the time i i beat him so bad now it's uh it's just terrible. I can remember the first time we play. His name was Willett Herald, and he played for the Green Bay Packers and the same was Cardinals. I can remember the first time that we ever played, we went to the same barbershop, and he had the barber asked me one day, says, tell him I want to

play golf with him. So we ended up playing golf, and he won $20 off me and on the way home, he passed me, well, he had me sign it, and on the way home, he put it on his forehead. And I told him, I said, you know, one of us is going to get better. And now I, all I do is throw my clubs out there now. And I, I, I beat him on a consistent basis. Sign in the 20s in that is a solid move though, you know? Oh, this one's yours right here. This one, you?

I like that. Yeah. All right. You and Kurt Warner walk into a restaurant in St. Louis. Who's getting a table first? Long line out the door. They notice that you and Kurt Warner there. Who's getting the first table?

That's good. No, we're going to sit together. It's not an option in this question. The whole restaurant's open, actually. No, you know, Kurt was, you know, was certainly a big part of the sports scene here and with the greatest show on turf. That created an excitement that we will never forget. As a matter of fact, I was at an event the other day that Dick Vermeal was there.

And that brought back some wonderful memories. Those guys are very, very special. And Kurt now, I think lives in Los Angeles, you know. But I guess I rule the ruse right now in St. Louis and stuff. But he and his wife have done some wonderful things. Continue to do some wonderful things here in St. Louis. That's awesome. I think they're both getting tables.

Yes. They're both getting door. Or else the place is closing up. If not, all right, I had my last one for you, Oz. I was going to ask you some backflip stuff, but we kind of already talked about that. So I'm going to audible here. I think the play that, I mean, it's considered one of the best defensive plays in the history of baseball was your play as a rookie, as a Padre, where you were diving. You laid out, like, fully airborne and then went back and caught it barehanded, right, and made the play at first.

It's unbelievable. Is that your favorite play that you've ever made? And if not, what is? Yeah, I think that was a play that really kind of put me on the map. But keep in mind, you know, on that particular play, that's not something you practice. It's one of those things that gets back to what we were talking about from an instinctual standpoint that I did as a kid that becomes very reactionary. My glove hand was gone. So the only other thing that I could do was reach up with my bare hand.

And I was lucky enough that the ball was stuck in my hand. I was able to scramble my feet and throw the guy out. You know, one of the toughest plays for me has always been one to where you have. your back to the infield. And I think a couple weeks later, I had a play in San Francisco where the ball was popped up and I looked out and the outfielder was going back, but the wind was blowing the ball back in. And I had to run, it seemed like for three days, I ended up catching the ball over my shoulder, Willie Mays style and stuff. And I thought that was a pretty good play. And then the other one was another one with my back to the infield where the infielders

coming in. And we always had conversations about if, if in fact, we do get in no man's land, if a ball is hit in no man's land, that if I dive, I'm going to dive and my body's going to go right. And if you dive and your body goes right, the only thing will hit is arms if there is a collision. And Kurt Ford, who was able to slide underneath me, remembered that. And so his body went, his body went right from the left field side and my body went right from the infield side and we were able to avoid the contact and I made that play and those were probably the top three plays of my career. Do you ever just go on YouTube and type in Ozzie Smith's greatest plays? Because I did that yesterday and it's fun and it's not me making the plays. I think I do it every day.

It brings back a lot of memories and I guess we're going to talk about double plays and that was always fun because that was improvisational. There's one play in there, and I don't know if you saw this one, but Lenny Harris was running. And then he was one of the, yeah, I think it was Lenny Harris. He was with the Dodgers at the time, and he was good at breaking up the double play. And so there's a bullet hit. He's running on the play. There's a bullet hit, one hop to the second baseman, Louis Sousay.

He flips the ball to me. Well, instead of just catching it like this, I just used the bag as a springboard. And so as he rolled and came up thinking that he had me, he looked around and go, what? And where did he go? You know, so that's where my basketball skills came in at that particular time. I just kind of used that as a springboard and jumped over him and turned a double play. Yeah. All that stuff as a kid jumping in the sawdow.

There you go. All right. Last one, Ozzie. You know, two of my favorite sports movies of all time are Major League in Bull Durham. And during those movies, you get to see how superstitious baseball players are, whether it's Joe Boo or women's lingerie that the pitcher might be wearing. Did Ozzie Smith have any crazy superstitions? No, you know, I think we all know about Wade Boggs and chicken and everything. My go-to meal was hamburger helper.

You know, when things weren't going well, if I could get me a bowl of hamburger helper, that would usually get me on track and stuff. But as a baseball player, anything that we did. the day before. If you go out and you have a good day, you try and remember all of the things that you did the day before, and you try and repeat that until that wears out and something else comes up.

Let me give you one bonus question since he just asked that. Best baseball movie ever made. Field of Dreams. Okay. Good. I like it. There's a lot of good baseball. They probably do the best job of all the sports. No doubt.

Good movies. There's a few here and there, but baseball got a lot of them. Yeah. It's, it's, That movie there touched everybody because, you know, a dad and a son playing catch is where it all starts in the backyard, you know. And that's a very important part of what we do and sharing those special moments with the kids. No doubt. Well, Ozzy, this has been an absolute pleasure, my man. We really, really enjoyed having you on.

All right. Thank you guys for having me. All right. Well, that was the great Ozzy Smith joining us on golf subpar. I mean, first of you mentioned, 15-time All-Star, 13 straight gold gloves, World Series champion, and obviously one of the toughest sons of bitches around

sitting outside in St. Louis when it's like 38 degrees to do this interview. Post-workout. Yeah. Still going. Still going. Of all the shit that happened, we got into the very beginning there,

it was like, when he came out, I first got drafted, it was like, I want 10 grand. They were offered. Tigers were offering $8,500. We're talking $1,500. A lot of money back in the day. Of course, but $1,500 to get what turned out to be,

arguably the best defensive shortstop in the history of baseball. Bad move there. And then he comes back the next year for a little five piece. But if I'm a tiger, you know, owner operator at that time, like, yeah, maybe it was worth an extra $15. For sure. Possibly. I would love to, you know, we have had George Brett on here talking about what he thinks he would make in today's game. I mean, Ozzie would make a gazillion. He said he made $3 million his last couple years. I mean, he'd be a $30 million kind of guy. I know his offense wasn't quite as great, but his defense made up for it. but he was so much fun. I was very curious about what number is higher.

His jersey number or the amount of holes in one he had. Oh, my God, the man shut out right now. We got to get him over that jersey number. That's one of those things you can't buy no matter what you've done. You need one. He'll get, he's, I was surprised actually when he said that because, you know, we've four handicapped. Played tournaments with him, seen him around.

I figured, you know, you get one, you know, whether or not you can even hit it or not. I figured that that'll be coming. And he plays tons of golf. So I got to think that's coming. But yeah, pitching the shutout. Right now. Yeah. I also like hearing him talk about like old days like take a pitcher out throwing a no-no in the sixth or seventh.

Ain't happening. No, but guess what? I'm going back in now with all the analytics and shit. I mean, it's just like all the other athletes, you know, as they get out of their sport. Like, yeah, it's softer now. And it's true, I think, pretty much across the board. All right. Well, let's get to some gambling here.

We went one in one in our football picks. Philadelphia Eagles are freaking good. They absolutely smashed Mark's New York Giants. Tough look, Marky. Yeah. Sorry about it, guys. You're Broncos lost You bet the under

And they decided to score It was 27 zero I was like I was like Well KC's going to hit the over By themselves And then all of a sudden

We started playing football For the first time maybe all year It got close Dude we went What 28 in answer Something like that And then Russell Goes down

With the dome shot But we lost again So Bad news We're officially Mathematically Eliminated from the playoffs So that late

The playoff run that I thought we were heading towards no, no sir. All right, well, let's make a pick. Try to give them a winner as we're going out here. I'm going to stick with the NFL. I think, you know, the Miami Dolphins are starting to struggle a little bit. So I'm struggling against the Chargers this past week. The week before against the 49ers, which a lot of people struggle there. Miami's kind of warm this time of year.

I don't know how well they're going to adapt going up to the freezing cold of Buffalo. Okay, Buffalo minus seven against Miami, book it. Did you see this past week, Buffalo? Didn't look like my ideal conditions. Oh, my God. Some of those dudes from Miami, remind me when like the hurricanes, Miami Hurricanes would go play Boston College late in the year,

and every dude I'd like the whole face mask. I'm like, nope. I have no interest in being in Buffalo. I don't know how you catch a football when your hands are, especially from Josh Allen, when your hands are frozen like that. I'm going to stay in the NFL too. I'd rather go the college football route.

I feel like that's where I have my most success. But the bowl games from now until next week, not the greatest. I'm going to go with the 49ers who are, playing football right now. Even with Brock Purdy in there, they went in and just stomped. They didn't even went in. They stayed at home and stomped the bucks.

But they're getting, they're giving three and a half over the Seahawks. So I'm going to ride the hot hand. I think 49ers are like, I want to say they're sneak because they're obviously on the radar, but that's a quiet, I guess, non-favorite Super Bowl pick right there. Yeah, I think they're one of the top three favorites in the NFC for sure. It just depends, you know, how serious Debo-Samuel's injury is. But Brock Purdy looked fantastic. That was impressive to go up against Tom Brady.

I know he's not playing against him, but he's on the other sideline. The goat, the guy he probably looked up to his whole life and says, that's who I want to be. Mr. Irrelevant, the last pick in the draft and goes out and plays one of the, probably the best game of his life. His family was in the stands. His dad caught, you could see him tearing up how great his son was playing. That was such a cool moment. Yeah. Tom Brady, by the way, gave out more than 100 tickets.

Most tickets he's ever had for his friends and family for a game ever. Got out there. and that thing was done quick. Sorry about it. All right. Well, hopefully we can make you some money. But like I said earlier, this is our last show of the year. We get a little two-week break to refresh.

Recharge the body maybe a little bit. Yeah, we got to recharge the body. We've been getting amongst it. But just want to thank you all so much for all your support. All the loyal listeners out there. This is so much fun for us. This isn't work. We love coming in here, getting on the mic and having fun speaking to y'all.

But can't thank y'all enough for all the support. I mean, every time I'm walking down the fairways out at a PGA tour, you are yelling get amongst it subpar where's slees i said we don't let him out of cage very often we do not let him out of his cage very often he's back in scotsdale behaving but uh really really appreciate all y'all yep thank you guys so much for all the listeners out there have a great holiday season we got some good stuff lined up for the new year possibly some some big news coming when we come back on the mic uh early in in january but thank you guys so much for listening we love it we're going to keep uh keep these things coming and uh have a great holiday season yep that's going to do it for us

We'll talk to you in 2023 on Golf Subpar.