Subpar - Pat Perez Interview: Playing against Tiger as an amateur, outdriving John Daly as a 16-year-old caddie, and his massive Jordan shoe collection

Episode Date: April 21, 2020

On this week's episode of Subpar, three-time PGA Tour winner Pat Perez joins former PGA Tour pro Colt Knost and his close friend and on course rival Drew Stoltz for an exclusive, in-studio interview. Pat tells Colt and Drew what it was like playing against Tiger as an amateur, exactly how many Jordan shoes he has in his collection, and what it was like outdriving John Daly as a 16-year-old caddie.

Hello everyone and welcome to this week's episode of Golf Subpar. I am Colt Nose, joined as always by my man, Drew Stoltz. How are we doing, Sleece? Hanging in there, Colty, hanging in there a little better now with the recent news. Allegedly golf back mid-June in a very familiar town for both of us, Fort Worth, Texas, down in Colonial. Well, you're a legend. You can barely go around there without security. Surprise they haven't reached out to me yet asking me to come down there,

hit the ceremonial open T-shot. Myself, Gary Patterson, Ladanian, Hogan. A lot of greats coming out of Fort Worth, bro. Well, we are very excited for that. But some other exciting news, don't know if you know this little documentary has recently been released about Michael Jordan in the 97-98 Chicago Bulls.

Yeah, as you watched the first two hours. I can't get enough of it. I need it to be next Sunday again already. It's hard to, like, we're so spoiled now with Netflix, no commercials. You can, the season gets released. You can watch 10 in a row. Like, after that went in it, I was like, next.

Give me the next. I need more. It's hard to not binge, but that thing was sweet. Dude, one thing I had no idea about this was like super eye. opening was how about Scotty Pippin being like the 122nd highest paid player in the NBA during that run when he was arguably the second best player in the NBA? That is nuts. It's nuts. He was very, very underpaid for how good he was, but now it all makes sense. Like, I do a lot of those things at Ari and Vegas and his nickname around the hotels in Vegas is no tip and Pippin. And now I get it.

He just didn't have the money to tip out. It's not his fault. He's got the worst agent in the history of basketball. Jerry Rinesdorf, pay him some more money. Come on. Yeah. Well, the second best player the league. Okay, cool. We'll get you the 120 second best contract. You know what that sounds good. Sign that. But it's absolutely fantastic as well as our next interview with a Jordan ambassador, Pat Perez, and here he is. Okay, our next

guest, three-time PJ Tour winner and a man with hair that has been blessed by the gods, the one and only, Pat Perez. Welcome to Golf Sub-Parma, man. Thank you, boys. Good to be with you. I mean, D-1 and only. That's an understatement. Thank God. Thank God. There ain't enough room for two. I've heard that before. The hair does look good.

though, by the way. What's the upkeep like on a on a wig like that? You got to wash that thing? I put it up every day. I tie it up and I put a backwards hat on every day because I'm an outside doing shit. But yeah, I figured I'd put it down for you guys. What's the washing schedule like? That ain't a daily wash,

is it? Once a week. Once a week? That's nice. Incredible. I just get tired of it, you know. When did this whole thing come about this? I kind of like that. Shave it. It takes every effort I have just to shave this with my electric razor. I just don't have any time. or energy to shave.

Are you worried at all about some of the gray coming into the hair? No, I kind of like that. It's already there. That's dignified. It's in the bottom down here, which sucks. No, it's hidden well. You can't pick out any gray on top. I'll tell you what, my neck looks great to look out.

No, you would never know. You look incredible. I always think you, I always compliment you every time I see how great you look. The looks are not a concern. The wife will not let me cut the hair. I actually thought about shaving like you. I was going to go down. Take it down tight.

I thought, you know, if I had like eight months off, Then it would come back enough. You'd be back to normal. I'll just tie it. I feel like this is going to be our most viewed YouTube episode just because they can see how beautiful. They're going to want to see it. You don't know what it's like until you get up close to it. How long has it been like that?

I think I started about five years ago, something like that? Yeah, five years ago. It's fairly, because you were first on tour did I like saw some pictures of you like brand fresh out on tour. And I was like, oh my, dude, you look nothing. No. You know what I mean? Let's see. You had the visor with the sunglasses and short hair.

Let's see. When I met Ashley, I had shaved head, totally shaved, and I had a huge go tea. And it was actually funny because we were drunk at the club and I go, no. I said, so rate me. I said, you know, give me a number. Rate me like one to ten? Yeah. She goes, you're about a five.

Five, I said status alone. I'm an eight. I'm an eight, but just a status. If I'm on corn fairy. If I'm a corn fairy guy, I'm at five. I'm like, she goes, you look so much better now than you did. I go, what do you mean? I said, the goatee was money.

We know that. Shaved head and have to do anything with it. I always wore the visor. Yes. Now I go with flat brim and long hair and go teal go away. Look, I get it. Girls aren't attracted to your look. See, but your beard is money.

My beard is freaking clean. Mine doesn't come in that thick. Well, mine up top doesn't come in that way. It all balances out. The white piss me off. It does piss me off. I mean, unless you're Mark Molder, you can't have it all. God, and he does have it all.

And he's sold his soul somewhere along the line too. Damn, that bastard has everything. I mean, some guy just have it all. But we aren't here to talk about him. I hate him. We are here to talk about. Place golf, great. Baseball, great.

I mean, shoot a basketball. I mean, the guy can do anything. Yeah, it's disgusting. He can throw a ball, a football farther right-handed than I can throw it my right-handed. Well, he's like six, six. He's a massive human. But we're not here to talk about him. Yeah, thank God.

Pat Perez. All right, Pat, I want to get into some early years with you because you happen to be the same age as this guy named Tiger Woods. You grew up Southern California right near. Tiger, give us your first time you ever met Tiger Woods as a junior golfer. I didn't really meet him, but I saw him at Presidio Hills. We were both eight. We've actually talked about this. Presidio Hills is like, what is it, 500 yards, maybe. Each hole's like, some are 30, some are 60. I think the longest hole is like 80 at the time. Sounds like my kind of place. Exactly. Cold is salivated right now. They're like dome. They're like opposite,

you know, upside down bowls for greens. And that's why I saw him the first time his dad was obviously with him out there. And I think he won at 10. And then we played at Mission Trails. What the hell? We played? Mission Trails 11, 12. I didn't really get to meet him until,

God, I don't think I really met him until we were like 13, 14. Because he won at 14. I finished 4th, so we were on, you know, this thing together. And I think I just said hi or whatever. But I think he didn't really kind of notice me until 17, when he was going for eight straight, or not eight straight, but eight junior, woods, which was like, you know, went in everything, obviously.

But so we're playing at Tori, my home course. I finally, you know, getting my stuff together. And he took off on six. We had a wait on six like we always do now on tour. And he was out there, and I didn't, I didn't wait. I just hit. And a ball ran through his legs. And that's what I was really long, like really long back in the day.

And, you know, we didn't really talk for a little bit. Then I got my moment. I played with him when ASC played Stanford. I told the coach said, I want to play with him. I'm playing with him. That 36 whole day, I got to see it. I want to go because obviously he was so amazing growing up. You know who he was, but nobody knew really who he was.

He did his own thing, and he lived up in Cyprus, which was, you know, a good hour and changed from us anyway. So that was kind of the first time we really talked and hung out and this and that. It was so funny because ASU, Larry Barber, he played with him at our tournament at the Thunderbird. He was, I'm going to get this bastard. I'm going to get him to get him. I'm going to get him. I'm going to get his ass. day he's a freshman i'm like work his ass he comes out that 18th hole and he goes

that my f*** good that's exactly like oh he's what he's saying that's part off and he got his ass kicked and that was that uh that's but you beat him correct me if i'm wrong you beat him in the junior what was it 93 i think right like he had won a million in a row you went out you beat him by a lot and you were not only that but you like you were not even you didn't own golf clubs at the time is this true is this a true story you like borrowed clubs and went and killed tiger Yeah, Greg Padilla's dad gave me a set of Burium I2s, which I always wanted, but we couldn't form, obviously.

So he gave me a set, and he gave me some other clubs, some wedges. So I had the one through L and a three-wood and a driver. And, you know, back then, Tori was only like 6,800 yards, so it wasn't like today, which I wish it was still like that. But he gave me those, and then I won the Cal State Junior, and then I won the Junior World, and then I won the Max Flight of PGA Jr. in Orange, Florida. all playing with different not even your own set same set but it wasn't yours it wasn't like fit to you or anything no no no can i borrow some clubs like i wore them out i mean they were totally worn out

and um you know i think that's probably when you know when tiger would have noticed me because i won the three big tournaments of the summer and but i still hadn't really seen him because he didn't play the pGA i was playing with uh hank kinney actually and that and floyd was down there too i hung out with him in Floyd the whole time. You know, Tiger was a god in junior golf. Everybody knew who he was. He was obviously the guy to beat. He was so much better than everybody.

For whatever reason, he was just so much better. Swing was incredible. I just saw some swings the other day, actually, of him at 14. I go, and this is better than most people I see every day. And obviously, it's only gotten better with time. And, yeah, it's pretty hard because I've, you know, I basically got my ass kicked by him for 36 years now. And, you know, you just kind of-

But you got the one. I got the one. You ever flex on him with that? Be like, hey, did nice 15 majors? But sorry about that. Sorry about that 93 World Junior, bro. Never get that one. There's an interview on YouTube where they ask him about me beating him and he didn't like it.

He didn't like that one. You beat him by 8 at the 93 Junior World. Four years later, he went to the Masters. Four years. Four years. Four years. To the Masters. It's like, that's not normal.

No. But, you know, like when he left, he left at 20 from Stanford. And we were all sitting around going, man, what's this guy doing? He can't leave. Because nobody left back then. Yeah, it wasn't the thing. It wasn't the thing. It was like you stay in college, you party, you do anything.

And then when you're 23, you go, okay, well, let's figure out what the hell we're going to do the rest of our life. If we're good enough, we'll try to play golf, if not. And I'm like, man, this guy, you know, because the average age I think on tour that time was like 35, 37. It was so much older. Like, man, these guys are so much older. 17. Exactly. Experience now that's like, you know, at 12, they got gurus.

They've got all these things going on and try to get on tour and make it. But he was so far ahead of his time. And, you know, when he left, I'm like, man, can he beat these guys? Can he play with these guys? And then, you know, he went to Milwaukee and then bang, he wins Vegas. And then obviously, he wins a Masters. And, you know, two years later, wins everything there is. And he's got the Tiger Slam. This and that's like, but, you know, looking back, I'm not surprised at all.

I mean, anybody that grew up, see, these kids today, they don't really know. There's like a kind of a legend of how great he was. Obviously, you can watch it because there's so much video of it. but to be walking the ground to him all the time. Yeah. He'll be walking right by, because he won't talk to him, you know,

because he's in Tiger mode and this and that. He only played certain tournaments. And it's like, man, this guy is just literally walking God around here. And what are we, you know, we're just going to try to get some money out of this.

But how cool is it? I mean, you're coming up on 20 years on the PGA tour, which is incredible. And you have been in the middle of the Tiger Woods era. I mean, the Tiger Wood dominated era. How cool is it to play in the middle?

I mean, obviously it sucks because he won every day. Other than not ever getting a chance to win It's been pretty cool Great, because I told, like I told On the Rome show, I said, you know, I don't need to win 100 tournaments. I don't need to be this and that I said, I'm never going to be Tiger, I don't even care about it,

but said, the crumbs are pretty good. Yeah. What he's done for this game and what he's done for all of us, you know, all the way down, from the players down all the way, everybody's made more money. I said, but when you're playing and you're in those big purses, the crumbs are good. I said the crumbs created a nice life,

and I have no problem. you know, everybody, you know, should thank him for it. And it's just amazing. It's incredible what he's done for the game. And, you know, it's been, but yeah, it has been awesome to see somebody be that incredible, like right in front of your eyes. And the fact we're with the same age, you know, because they say, you know, is Tiger Idol. I say he's not my idol.

He's, because he's not, he's my age. So I've seen, he's, he is obviously an icon. And, you know, I respect the hell at him for what he's done. But it's different because he's not, like Jordan's my guy. He was older. you know he's older he's it's hard to tell yeah watched him and this and that it's it's it's just different it's not that i don't respect the hell of him but he's him being my age it's like i don't know it's just something different about what about these dudes like rory and jason day i'm thinking like

when tiger was first coming back of all the back surgeries and like man i i i wish i could have got a chance to play tiger in his prime i hope he comes back like his prime like what do you think what do you think when you hear people say yeah they don't want that right like it was just a different ball game they have no idea they have an idea what they have an idea what they I never saw it live. They have no idea how good this guy was. I mean, it was absolutely spooky. What this guy could do with a club and a ball in any situation when the heat is on.

I mean, think about the pressure you guys have for just like a $100 putt at the rock. You know, now times that by a major or, you know, you got every eyeball watching you, you got all the pressure you can possibly have, and you make it look like nothing's happening. That was so amazing because he turned these hard situations. into something that looks so easy. And then you go out and try to go, how the hell this guy do this? I mean, how does he make it look so easy?

And he did. Have you ever had any, I should probably know this, but have you ever had any battles coming down the stretch on Sunday with him? Were you up there? I played with him. I played him three times on tour all on Saturday.

I think all on Saturday, huh? No, you got him one year on Sunday at Bay Hill because I played with you on Saturday. I think I got him. I know I've gotten him once. I got him once on the weekend. I think it was actually a rare stat where somebody that was playing with him.

and beat him on the weekend in his group. Yeah, that was when he was, like, beating people by six shots. Yeah, that just didn't happen. You know, it's happened probably a little bit more now, but, you know, back then, I mean, he was the most, you couldn't, the only, you know, the numbers for a favorite were just incredible. It didn't matter who we have. He was unbelievable.

But there have been some great battles with, like, VJ and Phil, you know, the one at Drow, and then VJ at, um, or even Phil had another one at TBC Boston. you know, it's been some great battles with Bob May. I mean, back of the day. Bob May. That's unbelievable. One of the best. Ed Fiore.

Yep. Ed Fiore beat him. John Deer. John Deer. I mean, there is some things, but, you know, as a whole, nobody's got. But going back to what you said about how much he's meant to the game and how much money he's made everybody. Like, they came out with this stat a few years ago. When he came on tour, like the average winners check was $350,000.

And two years ago, it was like $1.15 million. Yeah. And that ain't because of the economy. That's because of Tiger Woods. I would tell you right now, because if I was Mark Steinberg and I was sitting in the office with the TV people, and I said, every time Tiger comes on TV, I want 50% of that cash. I don't want it, but I want it for him. And what are they going to say? No.

No, we just won't show Tiger. He can be 100 over par. They're going to show him walking down the bathroom. Yeah, exactly. They show him from the parking lot to the, and rightfully so. At this point, at 44 years old, with everything this guy's gone through in the last 10, 12 years, you know, rightfully so. I got no problem with it. You know, it is what it is.

But I would say I want some of that TV money because the TV money and all the TV and all the eyeballs, the numbers are so far through the roof when he's around. It's incredible. It doesn't matter how he's playing. Even in Genesis. Yeah. Because on TV every time, they're not watching,

I don't even know who the hell was in seventh, but they're not watching him. Even when he came back at Phoenix a few years ago had the chipping yips. I mean, they couldn't get enough of it. It's a huge story. Plus 100. And you're not even seeing the guy that's got a put to tie the lead.

They don't care. But that's what everyone wants to see. But nobody cares. And that's why the purses are massive. But that, you know, I just hope, I hope he can stay healthy for a little bit longer. I'd love his team to get that 19th. I think he's going to get the 8th or win, you know, pretty soon here. Sorry, I think he'll be within a year when he gets that 80th third win, you know, like this calendar year of 20.

But the 19 would be really unbelievable. I was actually talking to about the champ tour. And I said, you know, would you ever think about playing? Because there's only one thing I want because I want that U.S. Senior Open trophy. Really? Because then he has them all. Oh, he has every U.S. He gave every USA trophy.

He didn't get the midam, dude. He never got that. But I mean, think about how that, all the major, that would be unbelievable to have U.S. Junior, US AM, U.S. Open, senior open, which nobody has. Yeah, that would be a first. That's interesting. I never even thought about that. But he said that, huh?

You got at least try a couple years. Yeah. I mean, it's just one week. He didn't need one crack at it if his back is still in one piece. Try it. If you don't, no one's going to care anyway. What's the difference? But at least, you know, if you get it, it's monumental.

You can play one event a year out there. Yeah, he can play one event now if you want still. Yep. That's the thing about him is he can do whatever he wants. You know, even this new schedule is coming out. I don't see him coming out any time before. I think he's going to play Memorial and it'll play the playoffs and that's it. He's not a guy that's playing for status.

He's not a guy that's playing for, you know, he wants to get the wins, obviously. But I think he's really going to get himself ready for that fall schedule. It's going to be busy with majors and WGCs. You know, we were talking before the show and you were like, this break, you've kind of embraced it a little bit. It's kind of a nice little break. And for him, it's got to be actually great as well because he was kind of hurting before. Now he's got this time to kind of go ahead and get ready.

What have you, but since we are here to talk about you, what the hell have you been doing? What hell is your name again? No. During this break. Bro, I got no time. I got no problem talking about Tiger because he has put so much money in my pocket. You know, the thing I actually hate is that, you know, when people do say, look how much money he's made you. Well, that's not as true.

That's not a true statement. Yes. Okay. Yeah. What he has done actually has provided a lot of money for us to play for it. It's not like he gets the person. It's like he gets the person. It's like he gets the person.

and he goes, ah, there's 20 for you, 60 for you, 80 for you. He's provided, I mean, quadruple the money for us to play for it, which is unbelievable. But doesn't actually make us the money. Yeah, they don't always handed it out. No, he gave us, what he did is gave us an amazing opportunity to make more money. So, but the hell was the question. Quarantine. Quarantine.

What the hell are you doing? Bro, I've been outside every day. You can ask my man, H. We've got, we bought this house three years ago. We've been remodeling for about, you know, two years and eight months. Two years and eight months. They're just torn it down. Built another one.

That would have cost too much. It would have cost a hell of a lot more. But we, we, um, we, um, so I started on this project. And I actually, we moved in Christmas Eve. And, you know, I've got like, I guess I got about three months off, maybe total. But I've got like three years with the stuff to build. I mean, we've got five acres. I've been cutting down trees and moving trees and moving rocks and moving dirt.

I mean, I'm outside every day just like trying to get the stuff done. I haven't even focused on the inside yet. Well, let me tell you. Another stuff to do. In my opinion, the coolest thing about your new house. Yes. You'll love this is, I don't even know if I'm, saying it right the top and yaki grill you have he has a top of yaki grill at his house

it's been he hana the hell out of it it's actually the one from benihana can you work that thing oh bro nice i'll show you the video i would like to see that or you could just divide us over and cook yeah or we can just go over and see it actually we'll do that too i had some polloosot of the other day on that thing was nice made burgers on it because it was we got storm we got the other night i was gonna grill outside the outside barbecue now that's where it's at they got smoker smoker smoker pizza oven smoker gas grill charcoal grill walk fridge Because you need all that. That's what you need.

That's how you host. It's a little longer than this. That's a good host. It's a little longer right here. Sleys and I order from Chipotle. Literally every day, dude. Literally every day. I got about the same schedule every day.

I go to the morning. If Piper doesn't have her food, I go down to AJ's and pick up all her stuff because we make her food every meal for her. So we, you know, there's like eating ingredients to go in the Vitamix and make her smoothie when she gets up.

And then we'll make her eggs and avocado and all this kind of stuff. And then she has a snack and then nap and that kind of stuff. And then dinner. But it's pretty much. it's the same routine every day. I'll work from like nine to three and then come inside, shower and get right in the sauce until about eight o'clock pass out. I have to try to work as long as I

can't so I don't get in the booze or at tomorrow we got that we got that poker. I'm going to be in the nine o'clock. I mean, yeah. I'm going to have to. I just pro-low. I might bring my computer and I get in the and we'll just play together. Come over to the house. Yeah. I'm going to the shoe room. Hold on. That's another thing I want to ask about the shoe room. So you've seen it. Obviously, I've seen pictures of it, but let me see the one you're about the pool. What do you got a thousand? So it's basically for those listening who don't know about it, you got a thousand pairs of Jordans in this one room? This one only has, that's, that's only about 460 right there. It's just wall-to-wall, massive room. Well, there's another seven-year-old. How many do you own in just, like,

in total. It's about that. About thousand. I have to... The other side of the closet... Well, that... The other side of that room is going to be the same.

Because I've just literally out of room. So it'll be both just wall-to-wall, floor-to-wall. There'll be a thousand in that room. There's another probably 80 in my closet. All right, quick hypothetical. Your house is burning down. You only have time to run in and grab one pair of shoes.

Good question. I grabbed the Walbergs that he signed for me. I grabbed the box and that. Oh, you got a little custom pair from Marky-mark? You gave me the greens. They're only in size 10. Hello, friends. I can, I know I got.

I wear two pairs of socks. I'll curl my toes, dude. We went to this house for dinner in L.A. a couple years ago, and I said, bro, I said, because we went up and saw his collection. He has the one-of-one transformers. He's got all these six shoes. There's unbelievable. But the guy wears Adidas golf shoes.

Yeah. I said, what are you doing? Yeah, that's weird. What are you doing? Wow, these are comfortable. I go, bro, these could be concrete with spikes in them. These Jordans and I would wear them. Yeah.

I said, I'm not wearing a Dias. No chance. So anyway, so he signed him for me, he signed the box, signed each shoe and this and that. So I've got displayed in my office next to my trophies, but they would probably be that. And I don't know. Yeah, that's the one to snag. But you're also, you're a Jordan ambassador, correct? Jordan athlete.

So what do you have like say in, like Jordan golf shoes are coming out of the woodworks now? Finally, after so many years, like, dude, they're starting to pump the 11s, all of them. You know who stomps that down. You know what stomps that is Tiger and Phil Knight. Oh, they do? So I went to that Jordan trip last year in Monaco. all the athletes. Well, it was only 70 of us because baseball was playing and every other sport was playing. But I took off two weeks to go down. So anyway, they rented out the Hotel de Paris in Monte Carlo.

Sounds nice. The top floor is about a little bit big in this whole building. It's like 80,000 a night. Okay. That was a hospitality room. That's a nice deal. So he's got this poker table that seats 15 people. In the middle of them, it looks exactly like this. It's like an eighth-floor. it jump man so he goes hey let's go over and have a let's go have a drink so we got tequila so me and ashley here he's right there cigars tequila i'm like this is like the hour of a lifetime here yeah and we're just we're shooting the shit and talking and uh you know to bring up your you know that thing so i said hey man i said i know we're on the 11s right now i said but the first shoe i ever got was out of trash can as you know it was a cement four and i wore them until they were gone

i said there any way we can make it a cement 11 it was just make the four i said Let's clarify that a little bit. What does that actually mean? He goes, just get a four, put the bottom you want on it, and make it. I go, just like that, that's it. That's how it works. He goes, get with G, Gentry. He goes, get with G, and just do it.

Well, Gentry was on the trip. I beeline up her his ass right after that. I said, look, we got the green light, let's start doing this. So it took about six months to get them because they come, you know, they come from Taiwan. They come way to hell there. And I got him, and I looked at these, and I cannot believe that this is actually real. only two pair in the world. And what they do is they take the cement four top off and they put the bottom that one on.

I don't know why the hell it takes along, but it does. But I guess you didn't bring Slees and I a pair. Well, it's only two. Customarily, our guest bring gifts, whatever. Well, for your next time, we'll address that. So do you have, like, say in what happens in the golf shoe world with Jordans? Like, is that? I will a little bit more now.

Can you lean on stuff? No, I do. I haven't really yet because the four and the five, I really love. Yeah. So they sent me like 15 pairs of fives. I've only got the two pair of fours, but the fives are coming out in like 30 different colors, what they were supposed to.

Do you think you'll get some? They're on hiatus now, but, you know, they will come out again. But, yeah, no, I can, I text them all the time and, you know, and asking questions and this and that. But, yeah, I think I can, you know, because Kegan makes his own, which, you know,

he makes his own. Harold, he just wears the standard 11. He wears black and white all the time, and then Luke Donald wears the grind. the one doesn't even have spikes. So I'm really kind of the only one that's like involved in trying to make the numbers. Because when Jordan played, he wore the one through 14 that I, those are like my numbers because that's when he played.

So I'd like to make more of those. I'm not interested in making my own shoe. I want to take what he's played in and make those in the golf. And, you know, people go crazy. The only thing I hear about on the golf course is the shoes. It's all you hear about. Them Js, you know, whatever, you know, that or the hair. It's a toss-up.

if I got $5 every time I hear about the shoe or my hair, you probably wouldn't be sitting here. I'd be retired. I'd be here. I'd just be, I wouldn't be playing golf anymore. Did you see they brought back one of the tweets that MJ sent out a couple weeks ago. This was years ago, but Kagan tweeted to the Charlotte Hornets. They were doing like a question and answer thing. And he tweeted, he's like, won't you tell them how I take your money all the time out at Bears Club?

And from the Charlotte Hornets account, which MJ owned. or still does. Obviously, he got a hold of it. And he said, pretty sure I'm not out on the golf course wearing Eric Kagan's. You wear shoes with my name on it. Yeah, which is greatness.

I mean, you can't, yeah. I don't know. Yeah. By the way, Kegan's shoes are ugly. I don't know why he does that. If you're friends with Jordan, wear the cool shit like you wear,

like, I don't know why he wears those. I'm trying to bring all the numbers to life, you know, I want to just design like a sick one. Yeah. You know, three, four, you know, 11.

I'd like to do a low 9. I want to do a low 12, a low 12, a low, 13 they have, but I want to do different colors. But yeah, there's some real, real cool ones that I want to do, which I'm probably going to try to get, you know, our trip got canceled this year, so I can't really get on it. Well, we could keep doing that.

Keep doing what you're doing because we need you. We need those things to keep coming out. Well, that's what I keep hearing. Because people sending messages all the time. Hey, bro, when those fours coming out, they're never coming out. But, you know, they're like, why? Every question is why can't we get the shoe? Why is there only so many?

Well, they only make 15,000 of them in all sizes. It's because Tiger and Phil shut it down because they know that if Jordan got into golf, full steam, it would take over the golf industry. It's already everywhere. Like you used to never see it. Now you go to like member guests. There's a 53-year-old dude. There's a 17 handicap wearing. Every age.

I'm like, ah, should I stop wearing these? Every age. No. It would dominate the golf. And the problem is the T. The T.W line would just go down the street. That's it. I had no idea that they had like that.

That's why the like the, uh, uh, like inventory is limited. Yeah. When I asked Tiger last year, Memorial, remember I? I said, I said, why don't you do a line? Why don't you do a,

like a, what they call lifestyle line? And this and that, make your shoes. And he goes, I can't, I'm not going to tell you what I said. No, no,

go ahead. On the record right now. No, no, but, you know, he says, why would I do that? I said, why would you do that?

Why would you not do that? You're the only athlete on the planet, especially in golf, that could do anything that would take off in five minutes if you put your name on it. Tiger could put out a piece of cardboard with spikes on the bottom of. People would like, I'll pay $500 for that.

You know, the frank head cover to me is not the thing. That's not it. Use your TW. Make a golf shoe. Make clothing. Make sweaters. I said, I said the reason why you would do it?

Because this guy has in a layup in 25 years, making $400 million a year. Yeah. That's why you would do it. Tiger has a core logo. Yes. I said, but that's, you could do that. They need some money.

You know, he's strapped right now. But he's really the only athlete. If you look at basketball, I know LeBron's big and stuff and this and that. Every one of those guys' brand combined is in the 16th of the Jordan brand combined. Tiger can do the same thing with his. And I asked him, I said, why didn't you, you know, why didn't Tiger take his thing and then, like, handpick guys down the line? Yeah.

You know, because Nike has like 60 guys. Same way Jordan's done. Yeah. Why not just pick and go, hey, I want you, I want you. You're a T-dub guy. Yeah, you're a T-dub guy. I want Rory. I want J.

You would take over. And then just make that and then make it exclusive. Not just have everybody on basketball. I mean, Russell Westbrook's a Jordan guy. Yeah, exactly. That's why Jordan's is cool because he only has a handful of guys. He's got like Canello, you know, in boxing. They got Zion.

Yeah, he has random one-off guys. He had Jeter. Danny Hamlin. You know, it's different. That's how cool it is. I mean, the Jordan brand. I mean, you've got five-year-old kids nowadays wearing his shoes that have never seen never even heard of them.

But they know that symbol. Oh, they know. Not to be confused for the Ben Herman symbol. I saw that trick to That's the greatest shirt of all the time As a golfer though to be a part of that You know what I mean? Because it's not a like Jordan ain't a golf brand

You know what I mean But you're like one of the dudes that gets picked That's got to be really cool I haven't really asked him why he picked me I don't want an answer really But I'm actually the I'm the oldest That might be I'm the oldest Jordan ambassador

Is that right? Yeah Well Jordan you know think about Jordan athlete How many are 44 playing their sport Not many Only the legends bro Only the big dogs It is cool though

I'll tell you though Because growing up watching him having, you know, not being able to afford anything. And then, you know, buying my first real pair, like 22. And then now, you know, 22 years later, I'm sponsored by the guy and I got boxes show up, you know, this high at the house. And I just, they're like, well, just give him away. I've been buying these things for 20 years.

This guy's been itemized forever. I'm not giving anything away. I'm not giving anything. I mean, I don't care if I'll never wear them. They're going to be here because they were given to me by him. I'm not getting rid of them. Yeah. I want to talk about another guy that you're close to.

I don't know if he's an idol or someone you look up to. I don't know if he's been a positive impact on your career or a detriment. You? Is it you? No, it's not me. Okay. It might be his dad. Another guy that's absolutely fantastic.

You met this guy when you were 16 years old and that's the great John Daly. That is. So I know you are very close and I mean, he is just one of my all-time favorites. It was unbelievable. By the way, tell us about your relationship with him. I know you met him when you were 16 years old, catting in a pro-am group of his. Yeah, it was catting in a pro-am and the guys, you know, H-NIE, we just sit out there on the lot.

and you'd hope you get somebody and they'd come over and get you and said, oh, we got John Daly there. I go, no shit, that's unbelievable. Cool. So we get out there and someone tells him that this is before I went, before I went junior world where they said, oh, this kid's pretty good. You know, he plays college golf or high school golf or over here, and that's it. And he hits it a long way.

I mean, so John, you know, we got on 18 North, the old 18th north, and he goes, let's see it. So he was probably, what, 25 yards ahead of us? I was probably, you know, 25 yards ahead of us, and I hit it. I hit it by him about 15 yards. and it was the same swing, long swing, but it was that ultramid driver. His driver? He gave you his driver.

Yeah, he goes hit this. That ultimate driver. Because it was actually, it was, well, it was a year after he won the PGA. This is when he was 92. The dude. This is 92. This is when he is the guy. She is 30 for 30, by the way.

Yes. Unbelievable. Unbelievable. But anyway, so I hit it. I got, that's unbelievable. And then I told him about it. He remembered that story when I got on tour in 2002, which was what? 10 years.

eight years later, 10 years later, something like that. 92 to 2000. Hold on. We're not math. Ten years, dude. Thank God age can do numbers very well. I don't do numbers. We have our producer fact check that, but it feels, yeah, that feels right. But he remember that because I, you know, when I got my card, I went up to him. I said, hey, John, it said, it's me.

You know, I remember from that. Oh, yeah, brother, what's going? And we've had him ever since. And you're still boys to this day. I talked to me. I talked about Tom. I just sent little John a pair of fives. The, you know, five.

Good man. Uncle Pat kid's going to be good. As long as he can. is really good. Keep it together. He's got to keep it together. He's got to keep it together. That kid's really good.

But, you know, John's amazing. John's just a big teddy bear. He, he's got a soft heart for everybody. He wants to help everybody. You know, he's obviously had, you know, a few problems here and there. But, you know, I love the guy. He's like an older brother. But, you know, I talked to him all the time.

You two both, I mean, you remind me of each other kind of on the golf course a lot of each other. I mean, you're both very aggressive. You're both so naturally talented. Like, I mean, people. People don't realize how talented John Bailey is. Same way with you, though. No, but he's literally one of the most talented guys who ever was.

And the thing about this, too, where he got so screwed, how do you win two majors in a year and you never get picked for a President's Cup or a Ryder Cup? Think about the shaft you take for that. How does that happen? Exactly. Even like points why? And he's pissed about it because if you win a major,

like if you win a major day, you're almost basically on the team. Yeah. Back then, this guy wins a major, and then he wins the other major to back it up 95 and doesn't get a pick you're telling me this guy's not good enough and that was you know the runner comes like a month later than the british open and you just get shined after yeah it's what's the explanation for that you know i've asked him about he goes he just doesn't know he just wasn't wasn't one wasn't part of the crew it wasn't like quote unquote like this you know this is

the brand we want or whatever i mean dude the guys won two majors exactly you know you think how many guys have played this game great players have played this game and have one major this guy's got too. Dude, you had a similar kind of, not the exact same, but similar in, what, was it, 2018, I think when you'd been playing so well, you came out, you won, and then they basically revamped how they did the points for the Ryder Cup team, right? Am I right here? And, like, if they had done it the way they'd always done it, like, you'd have been third or fourth on the right-go-you-you-a-fourth, and you're like, oh, by the way, we're not doing it like that anymore, and that win you had? Like, that doesn't, you don't even get anything for that, right?

Both of them. Both ones I had in 16-17, it didn't count for either Presence Cup or Rider-Cup. Was that because they changed the criteria, like, at that time? Wow, this was the task force that they were putting together because, you know, like Phil only plays one event. He plays China. Tiger plays none. You know, and most of the guys that were on the thing don't play. And, you know, I can see both sides. But believe me, I can see both sides. But, you know, if you're going to have an official event, if you're going to make all these other tournaments, now we've got 11 in the fall. 11. You're none of them count. That's a lot of tournaments. That's a lot of tournaments. Yeah, you go win over a third of what people. Tell Brendan Todd, they don't mean anything. Yeah. changed his entire career.

Should have had three. The guy should have won three in a row. He'd be leading the FedEx. I mean, tell him it's not important. You mentioned that right there, like the slight that Callaway gave you, right? You're going through surgery and they're like, hey, sorry, tough break. We're not, you aren't with us anymore. And you use that as like a chip on your shoulder, right?

I was so pissed when I came back. I finished, you know, thank God I got a spot Malaysia. Which actually funny about the whole thing. If I didn't get to spot Malaysia, I wasn't even going to start until Sony. So I go to Malaysia, finish what? 33rd. And then go to Vegas. Vegas, finish seventh.

And then we, we get smashed. We play the, we play the pro am the next day. We get smashed to the clubs, go play the pro Amit Shadow, fly down, win that Sunday. So all of a sudden, I go from having surgery, March 8th that year, not knowing if I'm going to play ever again. On medical. On medical.

Come back in and then make a million nine in the first three events. Yeah, that's the second guy ever to win on a medical. You know, and I was asked that with Kelly. I was asked that Kelly because I didn't even know the numbers. How many people have come back from medical one in their in their you know short amount of time it doesn't happen often you had never have

but like when you first came out right you had doubters and people like you can't do that you know like you're not going to make it or whatever now that you've been on tour for 20 years you've won dude you've done every single thing in the world like how do you find something how do you find a slight now to like put a chip on your shoulder to be like go prove people wrong because you seem like a me against the world I want to prove everybody wrong now I'm not necessarily like that but you know the new kids everybody everybody loves a new kids They all, you know, I'm more excited than anything for the future of the tour, the Rider Cup, the President's Cup with the talent we have. All these young kids, the Wolf, the Morikawa, you know, what the hell am I missing?

There's like 20. Havlin. Well, no, Havlin's, he's out. He's not American. He's not American. Yeah, JT. And hopefully, speeds gets back. But the young crew, under 30, you know, when DJ is the old guy and the rest of them, I just think they're going to dominate this rider cup thing for about 10 years.

It's hard when you're sitting there and you're trying to come back and trying to do anything right. And then a company calls you and they drop your ass. And they basically tell you're too old. We want to go for some young talent. And everybody else said you're too old. It doesn't happen at 40. I mean, I got, and that's the thing. I woke up on Sunday in Malaysia and I was playing with Gary Woodland and Pearcy.

You know, it was going to be a fun day, this. But I woke up and I was taking a shower and I'm like, look at the ground going, I'm not losing this tournament. I'm not losing today. And I had a whole different thing about me that day going, no one's going to shit on my parade today. I'm going to go out there. I'm going to play. I didn't care about the win, the money.

I didn't care about that I was going to go out there. And I was going to play. I had to be played on Sunday to win a tournament. I was going to play to win. I came out firing 500 through, you know, nine holes. And then we just, I didn't really make any mistakes in the back. I made one bowie, but nobody else made birdies. And that was it.

And I got, you know, that night we went out to dinner. And I had like one glass of wine. I just wasn't even, I was just, I couldn't believe what was going on, like what had happened because I was thinking about, you know, being at the Honda in my arm shaking as I was swinging because it was torn and this and that and like thinking of, God, I've only made like 15 grand

I've played shit. You know, I'm going to have surgery. I don't know what's going to happen here. And then to come back and then six, seven months later, win a tournament and be on top again, it's like, wow, because when I got done with that, going into the year, January 1, I was leading the FedEx and the money list.

in the same year that I had had come off surgery. You know, some guy, you've seen a bunch of guys. They have surgery that are out like five, seven years. Forever. Forever. Milk it. They don't even want to come back.

You know, there was one guy that you guys probably know, but I said, why don't you go back? Oh, bro, you don't know what it's like. You know, come back, you know, this and that. You know, you never really realize. I said, bro, I don't ever know if I'm ready. I said, but I'll put my balls on the table and go out there and play against these guys and see if I can show up with it.

That's what it is. That's the mentality I have. Maybe that's, you're definitely different. And that's obviously good. And your balls are on the table. You know, you got to go out there and do it. Like, you know, Elko, he told me, you got to go out there and show your ass. Because if you got to show your ass, you show it.

Because if you got to show your ass, it happens and it happens, it is what it is. It will only make you better. Well, I want to talk about someone who has not left your side in a very, very long time. And that's- He has, this beautiful man who's sitting over here. He actually has. His name's Mike Hartford, otherwise known as H, has been on your bag since 2001. He actually can't be a big.

It is the longest-lasting relationship on tour. Oh. And Fluff Gras. Oh, second. Sorry. Fluff's 112. Forget about him all the time. He actually, we actually are the longest probably because I actually got a better

stat for you, even better than that. How many players out there and you're going to know. So you're asking the questions now. I'm asking the questions. A little role reversal. How many players do you think on the PGA tour today or even in the last 10 years have ever worked for their caddy and been paid. Why do you ruin it?

This was my next lead to. I'm going to jump ahead. I'll say one. One. Yeah. First off, I said this on the telecast last year on CBS. I brought this to the world. Nobody knows that.

Now, I work for him. The only player on the PJ tour to ever work for his caddy. Tell me. Tell the world. God. I met him. I met him in 1990 and, you know, we put him in the golf team this and that. And then, you know, he would drive me around.

and we'd go to lunch and, you know, I said, you know, I don't even know how it came out. I don't know if I asked him or he asked me to help him with the deal, but we had a bunch of houses and we did that stuff, and then that was it. And we'd have, you know, we'd have lunch in the middle of day, and then we'd do it, and then we'd go play golf. And then, you know, he's cadd for me in high school, he carried for me in college, catty for me. Of course, you know, I went to ASU, and I qualified for two SAMs and only got to play one.

The coach will let me go with the second one. Mm-hmm. Oh, because the orientation or whatever, right? Freshman orientation. Are you kidding? Now, unfortunately, I can't say anything bad about Randy because he just passed, but, you know, that is something that will still piss me off forever. The fact that I qualified for it. Me and him qualified for it, the whole, and the guy wouldn't let me go. Yeah, that's a tough one as an amateur.

I mean, that's the pinnacle. Yeah, it's a pinnacle. I mean, it's a hard, it's an incredible win. That's a major. It's an incredible win. It just shows anyone can win. If Colt won, think what you would have done, bro. Holy shit.

Oh, yeah, Quot one. And Quentin's done that. Slees was at the USAM that I won and just said he got a couple of bad breaks. That's why he missed match. Dude, Pat, I had to play 32 holes a second day because of fog, bro. No one can overcome that. I played like 180 that week. I actually played with your boy, Billy Horsal that day.

Did you? Yes. We'll talk about that later. But let's stay on H for a second because he has been by your side forever, which is unbelievable, which shows that opposite people can work well together because they couldn't have two more. He's the nicest caring guy I've ever met my life. No, I know you don't know him. Then there's you.

No, I know you don't know them. But I want to talk about this one particular event that happened in Hawaii many, many years ago. Little game, a credit card roulette was an award. Oh, boy. Which I'm a big fan of. Very good game, yes. Can you share this story with our wonderful listeners out there? Yes, so we like I said, we just met John and we go to dinner with John Daly and his whole crew.

We've got like 20 of us at this table. You can't even see the other side of the table. There's so many people. So I told Daley, I said, look, I said, we got to get this. Well, hold on before you continue. we got to explain that H might be a little frugal. There's no little. He is,

he makes the eagle on the quarter screen. That's how tight he holds that quarter. I've not heard that before. I have not either. I've heard that. Okay, now continue. All right.

Otherwise, this wouldn't have made anything else. You are not getting a dollar out of that, man. If he was dying, you'd have to think about whether he'll spend the money to keep him alive or not. That's what we're talking about here. Oh, that's good. No, he calls it.

frugal. There's other names for it. Can't get into them. We're just going to stick with frugal. Frugal works. Anyway. So, we go this dinner. We haven't made a dime yet. It's our first year, isn't it? First year. We just got into it. We haven't made a dime yet together. And JD shows out. We all go

to dinner. There's like 20 of us. And the bill had to be, what, nine grand or something? It was heavy. We had made a penny. So I told J.D., I said, look, I said, we got to get them. We've got to get them. We're going to put this thing together. And everyone's going to put it in, but we're going to get her make sure that he gets picked. He's not going to know it.

And this is before, you know, I mean, I've got with him so many times now because he would catch on him. But this is way before he would have caught on with this. So comes up, start picking, pick and pick and pick. And now it's getting down the nitty. Was it a pick? They just pick one card. You eliminate one card? No, they just pick one card.

So it looks like a Chinese fan, right? And it's a, and sure she knew which one to pick. She picks it. And his eyes got like this. Thanks, H. And he said his heart like skipped a beat because he couldn't believe. He told me he's like, I don't know what I'm going to do. That's it.

That's it. I'm not going to sell an organ. It's like losing his mind. That was a great story. But see, you know, I, like I said, I've been so many times now. He doesn't, he catches on to my stuff now. That's such a good game. Pat tells me H will go to Thailand on vacation.

He actually makes money when he goes on vacation. Yeah, of course. He doesn't pay for any. Sell his shoes? No, he doesn't pay money. He's got. He's just. He gets paid to fly over there.

He gets three miles ticket. The hotel is like a dollar, you know, and the dinner's about three. You went to Thailand for how long and how much to cost you? What's, give us your best dollar trip? Oh, that was. The Hawaii trip, you said. Two weeks cost him $75. For those that couldn't hear, he said two weeks cost them $75 in Hawaii.

$75 all in. Bro, I spend $75 of that CMBC store before I get on the plane. Yeah, getting Fiji waters. Getting waters, $16. I mean, I'm 100 before I get on the plane. Oh, that's incredible. Two weeks. Do you imagine doing somewhere for anywhere, I don't care. 75.

Stay here for two weeks. Stay at home and not spend more than $75. You can't do postmates a day. Exactly, dude. It is. But see, he loves these stories. Yeah. He loves to get them.

You're not going to get his ass. He's going to get them. And he loves it. Yes, he's always coming out. He's the winner every time. If you, there's some, there's great trivia questions. He, how, you know, how long would you sit in an airport for, oh, for the, call it, a thousand dollars. For the voucher.

A thousand dollar voucher. How many hours? Give me an hour. It's got to be in the airport, though. I'd stay the night. He said I'd stay the night. Oh my God. It's incredible.

I love that. He's winning, dude. This is what we get to. This is how we, you know, he's a, he is the dead opposite of me. I can't spend a dollar. fast enough and he can't save it fast enough can we talk about another dead opposite of speaking a guy that was on our show what two weeks ago we had paul casey on your boy from asu and he told a story about the first time he showed up coming overseas didn't know shit about Arizona didn't know anything

about anything it was just like yeah i'm going over there to play golf shows up at car asu carson rest in peace asu cars in course shows up there plops a bag of balls down he's going to hit some chips you waddle over at some point during the deal it said he he's what he told us you plop down a bag of balls and proceeded to hit 30-yard pitch shots directly over his head onto the chipping ring, basically flexing on him like, yo, this is my team, this is my town? I could probably believe that. Is that true or no?

Do you even remember that? No, I can probably, I don't remember. I don't remember much from college, but I can probably believe that. But yeah, that's an, I feel like. It sounds like something I would do. And then he said you too became very good friends. Like he lived next to you, you guys play cards, all that stuff. That seems like, speaking of an odd couple, that seems like a, you, Paul Casey,

super nice, kind of soft-spoken European, and then you're you. You know what I mean? There's a teddy bear inside. Oh, there's 100% of teddy bear. No, there is. It's just, it's just rare. It's rare, you know, especially in this day and age. It's tough.

It's tough. It's tough. It ain't easy being tough. World-class golfer. You got to be tough. I mean, you literally got to have thick skin these days or else you just crack. You crack. I have it, though.

He said you broke him in kind of like you, you were welcome to America, welcome to college. Probably. But he's turned out to be unbelievable. He's an incredible player, obviously. You know, thankfully, they're going to be. not going to do that thing with the Ryder Cup where he couldn't be on. I mean, that was so stupid anyway. But he's an unbelievable player.

You know, he really is. He's made a ton of cash. He keeps himself. He's got an incredible work ethic. I mean, you know, that's why he's been successful. But, yeah, I don't know. That's what you get when you got Pat Perez as a mentor. Exactly.

Who better could you show up as a freshman? Like, hey, this guy is going to show you around. It's Pat. Okay. I've ruined some, too. I'll fail out pretty quick. There we go. I think it's time to see if we can crack you a little bit because unless you have

something else to get to it. It is time for emergency night. I mean, we could go for seven hours in here right now, but we can go to the, we can go to eat and I. So with our, with our, every guess we do, we have an emergency nine segment, nine questions that are just fun to get to know you a little more.

So I'm going to start us off with number one. Peel the layers back. Movie about your life. You can pick any actor dead or alive to play you. Who plays you? Ooh. Mm-hmm. Think on it, bro.

We have an answer. We actually are unanimous in this, which is interesting. You've probably heard it. Well, Kenny Powers, I'm sure. But not even the actor, just like that specific character. It's really damn close. The same dude. Not always got great moss like me, but he's very,

that's a good term, dude. It's very, very close. Do you get that on the course? Huh? Do you get that Kenny Powers on the course or not? Bro, I get everything. I mean, I get, I get Kenny Powers. I get salad, moss, you know.

I've got every hair comment through it. The problem is it's always from guys. Yeah, that's tough. That's why I'm not. You got that dude appeal, bro. Maybe I should cut it. It's never from a girl. Never.

Other my wife, that's it. Dudes love you, chicks. Only guys. That's fine. I don't need any. All right, so who's your actor? I was going to say Kenny Powers. That's about...

First unanimous in the history. That's about, yeah. I think that's really the only option. It really is a lot. With the hair, I mean, it's too accurate. He's just, he's perfect. He's vulgar. He's brash.

Yeah. He tells it the way it is, and that's the way it usually is. A lot of people can't take it. Agreed. It is what it is. It is what it is. Feed them. All right.

Number two, PJ Tour player you'd least like to get in a bar fight with. I feel like you hold you'd hold your own out there but is there some guy you'd be like,

ah, that's not the one for me. I mean, usually most people say Ernie's getting a little older now. Cochrak is definitely one of them. Yeah, he's got that Midwest.

He's got that country. Country like he'll smash a beer bottle over your head. And he's got, you know, he's got that drop of the hat. If I walked in and said, Jay,

I need you? We got action. It's going. We're not well. What's going on? Especially if he's got a whiskey in him. He's proggy. It's on.

If I just say, we got something, let's go. I actually like that. He just went up in my book. Yeah, and that's what's on. I don't really know. I mean, some of these guys, none of these guys can fight for shit out of the tour. I guarantee these guys get through that shit can to them so fast. Never been around a fight, never seen a fight.

They're not tough enough to fight. Yeah, I would say co-crack. I'm not really afraid anybody on tour. I mean, there's nobody big enough. I mean, everybody wears a size 30. You don't think Justin Thomas comes looking at you the wrong way? He wouldn't look at me wrong way. That's my boy.

I love JT. I protect him. All right, so, co-crack. Co-crack. I like that answer. I definitely say Co-Crex. I like that answer. That's very believable.

All right, if you look back over your whole PGA tour career and you can take a mulligan on one shot you hit, what would it be on the top of your head? You need to ask H then. H probably already knows it. We know what it is. Whatever one cost the most money. 2002 Pebble Beach 18th T shots. Out of bounds. Out of bounds.

Yeah, that'll do it. If we had to do it again today. Change club? Yeah, you switch into something else, less than lumber? It was in off the right. That was the problem. It was playing long. So we had to make Bertie to win five to tie.

So looking back at it now, it happens all so fast. I mean, maybe a three iron, three iron, you know, and hopefully get it on. But the wind was blowing so hard. It wasn't really, it was really the only cool. club. What do you think, H? Yeah, H. You agree with all this? You agree with all this? Oh, that's right. You don't even know what clubs do you have in the bar.

H is like an elephant over here with this. He knew we played with, uh, what the hell is the guy's name? The first, our first term in Hawaii. Tenigawa. He remembered that. Ken Tenigawa. No idea. I saw him at the store. Yeah. Great. Yeah. He was a guest on the radio show. I didn't remember who the hell we played with. How much did that whole cost you in earnings?

You know, he knows that. $290,000. That's the final answer. H, would you agree? That's the shot you would like to have over? All right. unanimous.

Unanimous from Team Perez. All right. Number four. From Team Perez. This is a good question. All right, here we go. Question four. You're known for your locks.

Would you rather shave your head or give up booze for one month? She had my head. For only one month, dog? Geez, you have a drinking problem, bro. You have a drinking problem. I can't go. Bro, I'm trying to get past 11 o'clock without a drink. Yeah.

Yeah, you work in the yard strictly so you don't drink early. Just don't have to drink early. So you would legit, if it had to be one of those two, you'd rather shit all this. Dude, that's years in the making, I feel like. Yeah, I don't know. All right. 30 days? It's not long enough.

Not long enough. I'd probably quit drinking. All right, let's do this. Let's bet. All right, starting now. No, because I want to drink with you. I don't want to do it. All right, you got to, let's move this away.

The clock starts now. Mail, no. All right. All right. Number five. What would your wife Ashley say is the most. annoying thing about you. Where does it start?

Who knows that? That's a long list, bro. I guarantee it would be my cleanliness. You are ridiculously OCD with the clean thing. I was about the, I was only one other guy worse than I am, but. No, there's another guy that's a good friend of yours as well. Charles Barkley's the same way.

Is he really? Oh, my God. If there's like a little ring from a cup, he's wiping it nonstop freaks out. Are you OCD clean? Oh, big time. I forgot about that. I hate shit that's out of order or out of the place. Like I can't take it.

Like when you pack for a tournament, are you like, all right, this is my Thursday sock, this is my Thursday underwear. Are you that guy? I have it totally organized not what I'm going to wear. But my side of closet is perfect. Everything is color coordinated. It's only Jordan shirts here. And I got some Willie Murray up there, golf shirts here, pants down here by the color. Shoes are organized in each thing by color.

But even like at your old house, like the fridge was like you had your orange sodas, your mountain dues. Everything was lined like perfectly. That's shocking me, by the way. That came from my mom. I wouldn't think that about you. My mom, she called it. She'd walk in my door and she'd go, all right, it's GI party, you know, from like the boot camp. And we'd have to clean this shit up and down.

And it literally drives Ashley's crazy because she's the opposite of me. If something sat there for a decade, it would sit there for a decade. I've talked to her mom about a hundred times. She's not going to change. She's been that way forever. She's not going. But she does get it going where she'll get in these moods and she'll start. just clean the whole thing and then it's over.

But I guarantee it drives her crazy when I'm always going to ask me here, why does it have to be here? Does this have to be here? Are we going to clean this? Are we going to do this? Are we going to do this? That would drive her nuts. All right.

That's very clean. That's something most people are listening would know about you, I think, just looking at you, that you're like super neat freak. All right. That's legit. Opposites attract. Opposites do a track. Obviously.

All right. You got the rugged, whatever you want to call it, exterior. you got the goatee, you got the flowing locks, you wear a lot of black, you're tough dude. What's the softest thing about Pat Perez? When are you just like little putty? Well, you know, when someone needs help or something like that. Because you are a teddy bear. No, of course, but, you know, I help people out, you know, when I can.

I don't have to, you know, put it on social media like everybody else does. God bless you. You know, if you're going to do something for somebody, do it. Don't do it because the media is there. I mean, the golf channel and all these other things. There's all this, like, feel good story, and I get it. I get it. But, you know, do it if you're going to do it.

Just do it anyway. Don't know. You don't need me to do something. You don't have to tell anybody about it. Just do it and then drive away or go away and just feel good that you did something. But I've helped a lot of people out. You know, I give advice and I've done this and that. I don't need any credit for it.

But somebody asked me, I'll give them a straight answer and tell them what they need to fix or not fix or whatever. And if somebody needs something, like if cold calls me, say, bro, I've just gotten some shit just now. I'd help him immediately. Well, I was going to talk to you about it after the show. Well, that's interesting because we've got to talk about it now. We can't. Pretty significant gambling debt during this time. But I was going to say, your sensitive side, I know this for a fact that she runs your

your little daughter Piper. Oh, man. Yeah, that'll match her quick. She is daddy's girl. She is unbelievable. We're having so much fun with her. She's incredible. She's absolutely made.

I mean, she's literally changed me. Yeah, that'll do it. She is. And Ashley always said, you need a girl. Did you need a girl? If you get a boy, you're going to be hard on him. You're going to raise him rough and you're going to raise him tough. And you're going to be on his case.

A girl, you won't be able to do that. And she's going to own him. And she does. I literally get up, I get up in the morning earlier to go to the store to get all her stuff for her food for the day or for days. And I'm always worried, like, if she's going to run out and, you know, of course, separate her food and this and that and organize it and all this stuff. So she can eat. She didn't even know what's going on. She just knows that she has.

Yeah, with a boy, you'd be like, whatever. figure it out you'll be in Uber down to AJ's and go get your stuff go get a job bro you can buy your own food just deal with Uncle H for a little bit yeah all right number seven uh what's a hidden talent you have that no one else will know nothing I thought you're gonna say you're cooking well I definitely can cook but you know it's not like it's yeah but not everybody knows you can no I I love to cook my like especially in normal off weeks I'll start thinking about breakfast that's X nothing I'd probably piss Ashley on I always ask you about breakfast when we get When we get up, I go, what do you want for dinner?

Why are you always thinking about dinner? I go, because I got a plan. I'm a planner. I got to know. Am I got to smoke something? Oh, we're going to barbecue, dot-to-da, because I'm going to go to the store, obviously, and then figure this shit out. But, yeah, I love to barbecue.

My favorite thing is about, you know, start having a drink about 2.30, getting all this stuff together, start, you know, getting ready to cook, and then put it on about six and get down. Yeah, after three or four hours of drinking, I like to get to the cooking. Oh, and then I pass out about. 830 which is great. Me and Piper actually I'm saying bedtime right now. It's perfect. That's the routine. Get no beef from me. All right. Number eight. Favorite guy to party with on the PJ tour? Well, he used to be Colt.

Yeah. It still can be. I mean, I'm not dead yet. No, you're not. You know, he's recently removed. We've had some times. I'd really say Cochrack. I mean, Cochrag, when we go out and this was the greatest story ever. So that night we finished, I finished seven. He finished like 10th, I think of time. But any age? He played well in Vegas. A's an encyclopedia of finishes. Holy shit. He has everything. So we get, I said, bro, I said, we're going back to hotel.

Change real quick, we're going to whiskey down. This is like five. So get down, we're going to start drinking. We're going to Hockassan, though, later. We're going to go to dinner at Morimoto, and then we're going. So we've been on the sauce now for hours. And you know how it is in Haukassan. It's about one o'clock.

Oh, with that Coca-Cola group, with that whole, all the CEO, all the people of Coca-Cola. So we've got this huge-ass booth We're right next to the DJ And Co-crack At about 1130 He is He's completely spread out like this

He's passed out dead I mean he thought he was dead He's like And the bouncer comes over And he goes He's got to go I said He's not going anywhere

I said Let him sleep I said you're going to carry him All the way to his room No no we're going to put him outside I said you're not going to do that either I said just go away So I gave him a honey

And I said Just go away for a little bit But he'll be up He'll be up He'll get up It's true shit About 1.30 Got up

Got back in that whiskey About 5 a.m. We're all good Little two hour nap At the opposite Sometimes you gotta take a nap in the club Dude You couldn't have woken them up dead

You could have set him on fire And it wouldn't matter It would not amount But got a nap at the club Occasionally That's about the only guy I'll sit around and drink He likes to get

Yeah Okay All right It's Coke A lot of good stuff Is there a nightmare pairing For Pat Perez Can't said.

Oh, God, yes, you can. Just give us the initials and then their full name. So there is, but we're not going to talk about it. We talk about it at the store this morning. There's two, but I can't. Okay, fine. We'll just switch it. Favorite pairing.

All right, yeah, we'll let you off. Really, anybody other knows to them. All right, so if you're out there, he hates you. We don't know who it is, but he hates you and wants to play with everybody else. You know, the thing is, I know, I know everybody's so well now, and I've been out so long. I've gotten to know everybody. I don't really ever have a.

bad time with anybody. Favorite pairing, though, I mean, obviously I would love to get Tiger play with him. I love playing with, you know, I play with Rory at Boston. That was awesome to watch him. He's the best driver of the ball I've ever seen. I know Tiger's best player, but if Tiger had Rory's driver for that 10-year run, I think he would have won a thousand tournaments. Yeah, I mean, I mean, it is the, it is the most impressive thing I've ever seen. His driver is absolutely just spooky. It's incredible. It's incredible. Well, I'm going to, you know, we were talking about how he'll help anybody out in need and all this. And we're going to end it on this story

because this is one of my favorite stories of knowing Pat for as long as I have. So we used to play a lot of practice rounds together because we like to muck it up. We're at the Shell Houston Open one year. He already knows. He knows. All right. I'm all ears right now.

So we're playing. And it's just me and him. H&R caddies, obviously. We're talking, muck it up. We get to 18, tough T shot. And I was like, I was struggling a little bit. I was like, hey, Pat, you mind filming one of these for me? Well, he's like, yeah, sure.

So I handed my phone. He's filming it. Well, I didn't know this, but there was this guy on the railing behind, okay? Only guy here. Picture this. Only guy there. One dude. Most ridiculous mustache you've ever seen.

Gary McCorn? No. Oh, okay. Just like strong. I mean, strong here. These big, like Duval, Oakley sunglasses. He's a cop. He's a definite cop.

He looked like a cop. He did. Of course. This like pink, black, purple tie-dye looking shirt and like tear away Adidas sweat. Ter away Adidas. It couldn't look. Teraways on the golf course? Teraways.

I actually respect that. tie-dye golf shirt. No, I respect it all. I don't know. That's my uncle. That's my uncle. He's a big fan. And shades.

And he's leaning on this rail. He's got a nice pose. He's got arms crossed. So he's like, yeah, I'll film it. So I hit this shot. And I go, how was that? And he goes, so,

good. And so then he hands me the phone and I press play and the camera's on this guy. They hold it's on your time. What's he doing? Just standing there? He's just standing there. He's just by himself.

How, why he was out there. I have no idea. Did he know he was being filmed? No. Was he looking at like, hey, what's up, Cole? I think this was 2012. We're still looking for this guy again. He is the greatest dude ever.

I put out an APB for this guy. I cannot. That guy's undercover with the, he's a fed. Undercover. But his comment about how my swing looked when I thought he was actually being nice. It's perfect. Couldn't, couldn't be better. We're going to find the photo.

It's great. We'll send that out. That would be incredible. If anybody knows this guy, please tell him he's our hero. It was so good. We need him back. All right, Pat. So good.

dude. Thank you so much for joining us, man. Yes. Appreciate it very much. That was Pat Perez joining us on golf subpar. And that was the one and only Pat Perez. I mean, it doesn't get more entertaining than that guy, Seleese. We were here live. I don't know what that's going to sound like after the edited version.

There's going to be numerous bleeps. And there could be entire portions of the conversation that are just exed out because they're like too hot for TV. But he's so great. I mean, he says what's on his mind. He doesn't sugarcoat anything. And I love him for that. Love him or hate him. It's kind of like a breath of fresh air.

and nowadays we're like immediate people are so afraid to say anything because like people come attack them over here attack them over here it's always pissing somebody off so instead they just say nothing that anyone cares about pat's like the reverse of that and was just like here's what i really think and i don't give a damn what anybody else thinks about which is like refreshing whether you hate it or love it it really is i mean he's no not pc or anything he's like look that's how i feel i'm gonna tell you if you like it if not i don't really care yeah it doesn't seem to and it seems genuine it's not like a fake i don't care what you think and pat is one guy that's going to be glued to his TV during this last dance, obviously being a Jordan ambassador.

Incredible shoe collection he has. I've been lucky enough to see it. I know you're itching to get over there and take a look. Seeing it on social media. We're asking for a video. Hopefully I can get a peek in there. I want to see these Walbergs. I want to see all the exclusives that nobody else has gotten.

And also shout out to Pat for kind of being on the forefront of getting Jordan to release all these golf shoes that are coming out now. Granted, everyone in the world is wearing them now. So they're getting saturated. But without his help, probably a lot of these don't come out. His whole closet, his whole house, everything is Jordan brand now. I don't know if he wears clothes that aren't Jordan brand. Yeah, I haven't seen him in anything specifically on his feet that aren't Jordan.

And by the way, he's got a thousand. Half of those plus he's probably never worn before. Well, that was a lot of fun with Pat. As always, you can follow us on social media at golf underscore subpar on Instagram and Twitter. And you are at the sleazy man. At the sleazy man. S-L-E-Z-Y-M-A-N. Tough one.

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