Subpar - Pat Perez returns to speak his mind on the SGL, Phil Mickelson’s involvement, and the reaction from the PGA Tour

Episode Date: March 1, 2022

On this week's episode of GOLF's Subpar, twenty-one year PGA Tour veteran Pat Perez joins former PGA Tour pro Colt Knost and jicky jack legend Drew Stoltz for his long anticipated return to Subpar. With a potential showdown between the SGL and the PGA Tour dominating golf media, Pat gives his thoughts on the potential of the new league, Phil Mickelson's involvement, and how the PGA Tour has responded.

Hello world, welcome back to golf subpar, Colt Nost at Drew Stultz, and wow, do we have a show for you today, Sleazy? Yeah, coming in hot. Coming in guns, blazing, Pat Perez on the heels of Riviera, where he made some statements and they made some news, there's some articles written about that, and only right that we have the man in here. He's a friend of both of ours come in here and elaborate on some of those things he said,

and he does just that. It is a fun and interesting conversation we're going to get to, but first got to give a big, Congratulations to SEP Straca picking up his first PGA tour win at the Honda Classic. My old caddy, John Davenport, on the bag. So pumped for them. Unbelievable finish. Bertie's three of the last five, including a Bertie at 18, where he caught a rather nice break

because a damn almost hurricane seemed like blew in there at PGA National. And he was able to hit his tee shot before, got it down there, had 197 yards in, whereas the final group of Shane Lowry and Daniel Berger were caught in the middle of that storm, really, really struggled with their T shots. ultimately, Shane Lowry parted the last to lose by one to Scep Straco. But wow, another first-time winner on the PGA tour. Another Georgia Bulldog. Oh, okay.

The year, the shit continues for those boys. But, yeah, I mean, Seth, good break. Those things happen in golf. Sometimes you get the good wave. Sometimes you get the bad wave he got up there. Got to hit that T shot before the rain came in. The interesting thing was he hit it down there and he had under 200 yards in. He had 175-mile ball speed, according to the shot tracer on the monitor there.

And then in the next group when it was dumping. I mean, went from not raining at all to just pouring. And Daniel Burger got up there, hit a seed, 175 ball speed off the face, and he had like 50 yards further end of those. So that gives you a little indication of just how hard it was going out there. And it changed the game. And Shane looked like he got up there. And you don't want to stay in the rain too long.

Grips get wet, glove gets wet, but it looked like you move pretty fast. And ultimately, SEP did what you need to do and got that first dub. I feel like he wasn't even in the conversation a lot. It was mostly Burger and Lowry all day long. And then boom, all of a sudden it was like, oh, yeah, step one. Final round 66. obviously the talk was Daniel Berger with the five-shot lead going in, ended up struggling to a four-over-parse 74.

You know, he had the big lead, and Shane Lowry had a two-shot lead with four or five to play. Then all of a sudden, bam, here comes Septuropo. They weren't even really talking about him. Made a huge birdie at 14. Nice put from off the green on 16, and then two great shots on 18 that allowed him to two-putt for birdie

and ultimately get that win. You know, I mentioned John Davenport, Cady for me for three and a half years. You know, we had a nice little run. He's a bit. I finished third at the players and fourth at the Byron Nelson. I usually paid him every two weeks.

So I wrote him a rather nice check. A week or so later, I was like, do anything cool with that money we made recently? He goes, yeah, I bought two C-dos. So I'm very interested to see. I think Seth made just over $1.4 million. So, Davon's cut around $140K. I'm interested to see what he does with that. He's from that Barnrat School of Money Management.

I love it. What did you do with that? I bought two C-dos, dude, appreciating assets. What else am I going to do? Invest it like an idiot? Nope. But congratulations, Seth Strzraka, first PGA Tour win, first player from Austria to win on the PG-DU.

G-A tour. And as you recently learned, what's his real name? Joseph. Joseph. It is Joseph. Despite popular belief, it is Joseph. It is his real first name. All right.

Well, let's get to the man of the hour. Pat Perez. Stop beating around the bush. We talk all things. His golf career now 46 years old. Happy birthday, by the way, Pat Perez. March 1st is his birthday. Shares one with my mother, which is just terrifying.

Wow. But happy birthday to my mom and Pat Perez. But this interview, it's very, very interesting. Pat, you know, he never sugarcoats anything. He's very open. He's very honest. We talk about his golf career. Looking for the champ tour,

the Saudi and the Super Golf League, as well as Phil Mickelson. We get into a lot. We're not going to spoil any of it. Let's get to it. Here's Pat Perez on golf subpar. Okay, back by popular demand. Our guy, former ASU Sun Devil, long-time tour vet. We don't need to go through the whole resume.

Point is he's back here. He brought his own grape juice with him. What a guy, Pat Perez in the building. How are you, buddy? I'm doing fantastic, actually. You look fantastic. By the way, I wanted to bring that up early. You look great.

I've been doing fantastic. You look relaxed. And also, happy. Happy 46th birthday. God almighty. Yes. Made it. Did you know you share a birthday with my mother?

That poor woman. Lou and hot. I'm also with Beaver. Oh, wow. The Bebes. Three legends. Have you looked at a famous birthday? Because we had Bill Hossler on recently.

He was like number 49 most famous birthdays on his day. No, 49 most famous boes. Oh, shit. That was Bose. But it's spelled B-E-A-U. He did our podcast, he went up to 17. Oh, yeah, he's really, yeah. You're going to be high, bud.

Hope for it. You got a little, you got a little trim off the top today? I took a little trim off this. I got rid of some of the drape. I just couldn't take it anymore. What did you tell them? How much off? I said an inch.

Just one inch at a time. An inch matters. An inch matters. An inch is everything here. An inch is everything, bro. When you're dealing with that toy cannon, I'm me tell you. An inch matters. I don't need to tell you about it.

You know, tell me about this grape. Because I know you're a huge grape, dude. You brought your own. I did. It's a special one. It was hard to get down here because I had to hold the glass the whole way down here, but, you know, it is what it is. This is my boy, David Greby's.

This is called Double Eagle. It's from Napa. Is that any relation to the screaming Eagle? No. No. No. It's double Eagle. It's his own blend.

You know, on Napa. Great guy, David Grevy. I stayed with him in Napa this year. We drank some good stuff, but this stuff is fantastic. How many bottles at the crib, at the Perez crib? No, there's not that many. We're not, we're not collectors. We drink them.

Yeah, we're not collecting like drinkers. No, we, I have some, I have a couple good ones. I have a couple really good ones. I just, I don't know why I don't ever open, but we're drinkers. You know, we go to Costco and we buy four or five cases at a time and we drink them. And that's just, you know. Not here for display. No, they're not, they're not display.

They're not for display. They're for drinking. So we could open up, you know, six, seven, eight, nine at any point and go. And, you know, once you start to get that level, you don't want to. What's better? What's better than a nice little glass of cab up at the cost of day? Absolutely nothing. So we, you know, I'm not real, I'm not a real collector type thing.

Plus, I'd like to drink them. Yeah. I just drink them. Well, let's talk a little bit about your golf game before we dive deep into some fun stuff. Man, we got some fun stuff. You had a nice West Coast, two top 10, San Diego and Pebble. Yeah. To your favorites.

I got kind of sick at, uh, I got kind of sick during the week of Century. And I couldn't go to Sony. I pushed it as far as I could. And I thought, you know what? I'm just not going to take the chance. I'm getting over there and getting stuck or whatever it was. And I called it was. I called H. Sunday morning, I'm like, you know, we're not going.

So he probably still went. So that kind of sucked. But, you know, American Express, that tournament used to be so fun. We had the other courses. We're on, you know, Palmer Private and Nicholas Private, and we had the amateurs and the, you know, the celebrities. It used to be such a fun tournament. And now it's, you know, on two courses I don't play well at. I haven't played well there since they went over there.

Well, they're kind of, they're sneaky kind of difficult. It's not near as fun as the other one. Stadium's not that easy. Stadium's not that easy. And I've never made the cut there. So I drove over, had all these, you know, yeah, I'm going to play well, and I didn't play well. I missed cut by one.

I was pissed. And then I drove over to the desert and Claude was there. And we worked all day Sunday. Play with DJ, played all day Sunday, all day, Monday, Tuesday. Started Wednesday. And, you know, by like Monday afternoon, I started to see a change because we made a bunch of swing changes and some stuff. I'm like, you know what?

I think I can actually. get this in play. And I played well. I shot 9-under on the weekend at Torrey, which is on the south is pretty strong. I've never done it. And, you know, it was, it was awesome. And that's got to be cool because, I mean, you grew up there. Yeah. Obviously, worked there. Your dad's the starter. It was a great weekend. I didn't win, but I had played so shitty for so long that I'm like, this is like a win. You know, I didn't win, but finishing six there on a course that's like 500 yards too long for me, that is a pretty good week for me. I'll take it. And then get to Pebble.

same kind of stuff you know got off to a nice start and finished night there with my boy Michael Lund we had a great week the great day the great day we had we had a phenomenal week I mean we drank incredible wine you know his chef was there

Keith we rented this small castle on the on the cliff for about 80 dimes that week it was a phenomenal it was awesome so two back-to-back weeks and then come here bang play normal like I usually do here

I miss a cut by three and we got to talk about it you're aSU sundev you teed it up at the w of phoenix open the crowd some of the crowd loves you i know some um i asked you after you missed the cut i said how many people do you want to punch and you said how many were there 250 thou no to be honest me this week this year was different i don't know what it was i didn't get a lot of i didn't get a lot of action it was like ticket requests and all the motion they were all screaming i mean it was actually it was actually fun it was it was it was noisy but it was actually great.

They were all kind of for me. It was awesome. And I just don't play this course that well. I don't know what it is. I can't get it close enough to the holes, you know, after two shots. I just can't do it. That makes it hard. You know, I'm playing in front of, you know, Gary and Brooks.

And on six, one day I had 158 in. And I look back and Gary can like put it. He can kick it. Some of the places they hit it. He can kick it on the green from where he is. I'm like, bro, I can play from there. I can play from there. Patrick, he must have 90 yards less than I did.

I believe on Thursday, the group in front of me was Patrick Cantley. He had 92 yards into number eight. It's 480. That's what I mean. He's like a sneaky long guy because he doesn't look like he hits it that hard. He's a phenomenal player, but I just don't see where these guys get this length. Even in the playoffs, they was shipping it down there. He had Schaeffler.

Dude, Zander hit 8 iron into 15. That's unbelievable. I mean, that's stupid. I played the pro and laid up with five. Of course, dude. You got a punch one there, and it's like hybrid. It's just a different deal. You have to be long enough on that course to win, and Brooks is, and so is, you know.

But we've seen guys like Ches Revy, lose that playoff there. Obviously, you have a great week with the putter. But Chess drives it great. Ches drives it long, and he's got this knuckleball that kind of gets down there. And, you know, you have to put great that week. Every week got to put great, but especially there because for me, I just can't get a close-knit. I just don't hit enough good shots. It's the guys that hit it through the air super far.

Like there's some guys like Chaz, he can buck the trend and play well. all there, but it's the dudes like Hedaki plays great there. Brooks plays great there. It's amazing. If you get it at 300 in the air in the desert, which it goes a little further, like those are the dudes. I don't get it. I just, for whatever reason, I just, I mean, I play desert golf all year.

And for some reason, I get over there, I just cannot do it. It doesn't even feel like desert really golf. It just drives me nuts. It's not like Silver League. Literally drives me nuts. I know you're very hard on yourself, but you've got to be somewhat proud of what you're doing right now. I mean, 46 years old.

You're out there competing. You just finished 80th on the FedEx Cup last year, which I know you would obviously want better. But to do it year after year, you've got to be pretty damn proud of yourself. Oh, yeah. I mean, this is my 21st year. I've never lost my card. It's a, you know.

Let's just think about that. That's tough. There's kids that were just born when you were getting on tour. They're playing and winning. That's the best part is that, that Ashkeh, yeah. Akshay, whatever his name is. I don't know. Whatever.

He, uh, I won to Q school three months before he was born. Yeah. And I play with him in Napa. I'm like, you know, I mean, he's going to be a good player. We just had Waki Neiman on the radio with us. And he wasn't a lot. live when Tiger won the mask. That's what got most of us into golf.

And he wasn't even born for it. That's what I'm saying. How cool is that you're out there? You're still competing. I use this example of a lot of time because a lot of guys your age, they go into that kind of excuse mode where they say they're in the gray area, right? They're in the transition of, you know, playing on the PJ tour, they lost their card to get into the champ tour. Yeah.

But you're still out there doing it. Yeah. I mean, I can't wait because of the champ tour. I know you can't. But I'm not there yet. So I still want to compete for four more years. And I still think that I can actually, you know, I may be able to win one, I don't know,

but I know that I at least can compete and keep my card every year and get to the playoffs. I believe that. You know, after playing Tori and finishing nine, you know, shooting nine out on the weekend. If you can shoot nine out on that weekend there, I promise you can play damn near anywhere because that is a really hard weekend to play.

And so that kind of gave me some confidence that took me in a pebble and, you know, I'm 82 or something on the list now, and with a horrible start. But, yeah, I do, I think it's pretty cool. There's not a, you know, I mean, but like Stewart Sink went twice last year. Yeah, yeah. At 48.

I think that's awesome. But there's not many of you that are able to compete. No, no, of course not. Brian, Gay won at 49, you know, sync one twice. No, it's a rare deal when you get guys that play all the way until they're 50 in this day and age. Back in the day, with the Haas, you know, Jay Haas, these kind of guys, there was only a certain group that we're playing. They were always going to play until they're 50. But this day and age, with all the talent that's out there, all the young kids, all this amazing, all this amazing golf is going on.

The game's hard for me because I don't, because I don't, it that far so I have to do it a different way but yeah I think it's actually pretty cool because you know some guys you know I played with Taylor Moore last week and I mean he hits it nice great player never heard him first I met him nice kid he you know he played he played nice he's like you know this is my first year that's 28 and this I'm like I mean I don't even remember 28 he's like he's like you know he's what years this for you I said this is 21 he goes man he goes that's a long time Yeah. That's rare.

Without a bad year. 21 is a, that's a long time to be out there. And so, but it is cool. You know, it doesn't, I don't, I'm not, I'm not trying to fall in that gray area. Like, oh, you know, my age got the best of me. No. Yeah. You just played your 500th event at Myakoba.

Yeah. I mean, dude, that's the amount of people that have played that many events. It's not a very long list. No. By the way, you've played 500. Do you know who's played the most ever? Jay Hoss. No.

Mark Brooks. Oh, yeah, yeah. 8303 or something. Holy shit. You're not even close, Doc. Dude, you got, you've got to dead more years. You're just stretching your legs. I mean, does he even know that he has a family?

I mean, does he even know he has a house? I mean, you played that many? 800. That is unbelievable. How many years? So how many was he playing a year? 30 plus? Played every one.

You got to be playing 30 to 35 a year. But see, those guys back in the day, they had to play every event because every purse wasn't 12 million. You know, when the purses were two, three, four million dollars, you know, you weren't making enough to be like, oh, yeah, I made, you know, I made 2.5 this. week I'm gonna take a couple months off no they were making like you know a great week was 25,000 so it was different they played every week you know and thank god tiger came along and that's what it was that's what changed it but you know these guys had to play every event every week and now you know you look like Bernhardt I mean guy just won I mean he's 64 years old and show his he's I don't know how that's incredible and he's going against these 50 year old and he will still be out

when I get there in four years that's all 100 you got to start figuring out how to beat him right now but you know we talk about we talk about We talk about records that won't be broken. Tiger's cut streak. No chance. I'm kind of confident Mark Brooks's number of tournaments will never be broken. There's no way because the kids today are making so much money. They're barely playing 20 events anyway.

803 events will never be touched in its entire lifetime. There's no chance. But even, that's kind of impressive, but the Tiger cut streak is something will never. I mean, Speed had it the other day. It was like 22 events in a row. 22. Yeah. You're 120 something away.

It's a sixth of what, Tiger. I mean. I think it's the most. impressive stat in sports. Period. Sports. That sounds like, you know, we're golf biased. I think it's the most impressive thing in sports. Not one bad nine holes. One nine can take you out of it. No, exactly. And the thing about it is people don't really realize it because tires been out of the game for a little bit of time now. So they don't really bring up these numbers. They're, you know, they love the young kids and this and that. And that's what's carrying the tour. And there's a lot of

great talent. There's a lot of great kids. But when you start adding it up, you can take like the top 20 in the they're not going to have Tiger's career combined, which is actually amazing when you think about it. And that's what people seem to forget is what Tiger did back in the day, just because he's not playing now, like, oh, my God, this guy's won, you know, twice in a year. Okay, well, this guy was winning nine times in a year, and he did it multiple times.

Very hard to do. Yeah. Very, very beyond. Let's talk about, Tiger, because it's just been just over a year since his accident. Yeah. And, I mean, things are starting to come together. I mean, you look at the father's son, he played.

He played nice. He just walked up all the steps at Riviera with no limp. I saw that. Are we going to see the cat? I think we see the cat. I hope he gets to play St. Andrews one last time in a tournament. So you're saying no Augusta this year? No Augusta?

I don't think Augusta. That's a hard walk. That's a hard walk. He even said, you know, he's not really there yet. You know, that's pretty wistful thinking, I think. You know, he's obviously, he's not going to take a cart. He has too much pride to take a cart in any event. you know it's just it's not him so you know gusty he has the rest of his life so you know

he also has the british open but doesn't necessarily have st andrews you know he's won there twice i would think that it's a flat walk i think he can probably get organized by that time by july you know but you just don't know i mean we don't really we don't really know the extent of what his it's just the walking is like the issue because we saw him at the pence dude he hit a 174 mile an hour ball He looked great. But, you know, at our age, things take time to heal. And when you start, if you factor in, if he gets any sort of arthritis in there or whatever,

you just don't know. I mean, I wake up one day and I feel like I got run over by a truck. I didn't do anything. But you always look incredible. Always. You always relax, you know. But it's just harder at age. I mean, he said it.

It's harder at age. I hope to God he gets at least to play. Sting edge one more time. Like he said, he won't play a full scale. schedule, which sucks. But, you know, if he can get back, I think if he can get back and play a full tournament, you know, without any pain and play well, not necessarily win, but if he wins, that's like the ultimate miracle. That's like the fourth miracle that's coming across. Yeah, exactly. That's like the fourth miracle that come across in his life. But I think if he can actually come back

and play, compete, and walk all four days, I think that's a win in itself. I think anybody would have taken that, you know, a year ago. But we just don't know. We just don't know. You are three months apart. You've known him for a very, very long time. Off the top of your head, give me a favorite Tiger Woods story. Well, I can't really repeat many of them.

Okay, one you can repeat. Damn, I wish I know what I thought about. I mean, I don't really, I don't know. I don't really have one. But him completing like the Tiger Slam, I don't think people kind of realize now because it's been so long since that happened. Like, that probably won't happen again.

I don't see any player in today's group winning the Grand Slam for one, any calendar year, or winning a slam like that, winning four in a row no matter what time. I just don't see that ever happening again. One, the competition is incredible, but they're all about the same. Tiger was so far ahead of everybody that it was easier for him to do it. Yeah, he didn't have to go play great. It was like, just don't fuck up. I'm not much better.

He was so much better than everybody. that that was going to happen for him. Today, most of these kids are about the same. They're about the same talent level. So they all can win a major, but they're never going to win all four. So I think that is the most incredible thing, really the most incredible thing other than his cuts of what he did

because I don't think you'll ever see that again. But as far as like a Tiger story, I don't know. That's one thing I think, and it's tough because these young kids do get compared to Tiger when they do something great, right? I mean, Collmore Cowell goes out. It wins two majors earlier. Like, oh, how many is he going to win?

Is he going to catch Tiger? I'm like, he honestly could end it too. I still think, and I've said it before, I'll keep saying. I think John Rom is a guy for the next 10 years. Yeah. I don't think anybody's going to be John Rom consistently for a decade. And that's just my opinion. I think he's going to have the most majors when it's said and done.

You know, we play all the time. It's Overleaf. And I asked him, I said, you know, what are you going to do at 35 when you're done? He goes, I'm not done until I win 19 majors. That's his mindset. He goes, if I play time. 55, I will play Tom 55. I'm not, I'm not going to

take off golf until I get to 19. Whether I do it or not, doesn't matter, but I am not quitting until I pass Tiger on that list. That's interesting to hear you say, because Colton, I talk about it. I was, like, we talk about, I think his bad golf right now is the best in the world. Like, he plays

shitty and he finishes 9th. Bro, he hasn't even, you know? He hasn't even started to get going yet. I mean, he finished second and third, back-to-back weeks. and it wasn't that great. Believe it or not, it wasn't that great. For him, he expects so much, and what I see every day at Silverleaf with him,

I play it five days a week with him. He hasn't even really gotten into a kind of a pattern of where he can win like five, six times in a row. I think that he can actually do that. Because I don't see him getting hurt. His mindset's incredible. His swing is not one that's going to get him hurt. he has so much fuck you in him it's unbelievable

which is people don't believe people take it as cocky and this no it has nothing to do with that he does not want to lose Michael Jordan didn't want to lose Tom Brady's not want to lose Tiger Woods does not want to lose they have so much fuck you in it

it's unbelievable and you got to have that you have to have to say everybody name them go down the list and it's not they're not being pricks they're not being you know they're still love But they just have this, you're not going to fucking beat me. And that's just the way it is. And that's the way their mindset is.

And I see that in John more than anybody. I see the other kids, they're very nice. They're almost too nice. You know, I wish Rory would have had more fuck you and him. I think he would have won 10 majors. Justin Thomas is another guy, I feel like, that has that. Justin Thomas has it for sure, you know, but I don't think he's going to beat Rom over. No, I agree.

Year after year. But Justin Thomas has that for sure. Ron plays in a game for $200 at Whistbrook or whatever though. I've seen him break lob wedges because I'm like, dude, you're going to lose 200. You're fine. It's not about that. We search for three clubs every day for Johns. There's a fucking club fired 40 yards, well, fuck, let's go.

You know, we've got to get in the desert and pull shit out of our legs to go find John's wedge. And it's like, he does not want to lose to Ben Herman for $100. He does not lose. And that's, I'm not saying that's what it takes, but that's how, but that's what he is, he does not want to lose. Ever. And that's why I just don't see any of these guys. You know, you think about how fucked he got last year.

He got fucked more last year than anyone I've ever seen in my entire life. You know, the COVID thing in Memorial. Okay. Then you don't give him those points. So now he doesn't, he's not leading going in. And then he fucking, the bullshit thing they have it going on to a tour championship. The two wins, it cost him two wins in about another $12.5 million. That one.

When you do the FedEx and everything. And probably a gold medal. That one COVID thing. And the gold medal. metal. Yeah. Which would have been crazy endorsements. You think about how fucked he got last year.

It's incredible and he's still number one in the world. And he got two tournaments taken away from him. And props to him because he, you talk about how fiery he is. Like he handled that as well as you could, dude. Oh, there's a, there's a moment there where he come up to him on the 18th green. They do it in front of cameras and all that. He could have lost his mind. I think everyone would have been on his side.

Like, dude, you're right. But the tour handled that very, very improperly. I mean, you don't go down on the green. and tell the guy in front of the cameras, dude. You get into scoring, you go over here, and I got news for it. I would not have fucking left. I said, you test me three times before my two-time time of-bombie. You might still be there.

I would still be there. I'm good. You are not just throwing me out. I will test three times before I go. If I give you negative test, then I'm going. If not, then I leave. But I'm not just leaving. All right, let's put you on the spot here.

He says, obviously, he's not done until he wins 19 majors. Okay, he's got one. How many does John Rom end up with at the end of his career? I think Rahm's going to have between 8 and 10. Okay. I mean, that's, I think that's a legit. It's an incredible. And that's an unbelievable amount.

Most of these guys you talk about, like, to get to four is crazy. I mean, what Brooks is done is. Look at the guys out there. Brooks has won two, you know, yeah, two U.S. opens, two mate, two PJs. I just see Rom's game going anywhere, literally anywhere. Any course, any conditions with the mindset he has, he's young. I don't see him not. I mean, he could win a, he could win St.

here. It's only matter time. He can win anywhere. He's one of the Fahman or he could win. I see him winning it. I also see him winning because people don't understand too. He doesn't just hit a fade. I've seen him draw this driver around the corner. So everyone says like, oh, he can't win Augusta. He can win Augusta. First time, it's the biggest horse shit ever that people think you have to draw it to

win Augusta. You don't have to draw it. You guys that have won the most Jack Nichols and Tiger Woods. Fade. Okay. So, you know, but they think, oh, he's only got one shot. No, he doesn't have one shot. He has all the shots. And there's just nothing, like name one thing. that's not top tier. One aspect of his game that's not top tier.

Everything's incredible. Everything is incredible. The last few weeks his putting has just been shit, but that happens. Some weeks you don't... Sometimes you just don't put that great, and you know, it is what it is, but he's still there.

I mean, what did he finish last week? 25th, he played horrible. He made a six footer to make the cut. Yeah, he makes... And then he finishes 25th. Is this D-game? You asked John Romo, that's about as bad as I can do.

D-game at best. But he is the guy, in my opinion, for the next decade, I do not see anybody being, you know, number one, more than him for the next decade. I just don't see it. And there's a lot of great talent. The Cantlays, the Morakawa's, you know, all these young kids, they have great talent, but they don't have, in my opinion, what Rahm has as a whole.

That's fair. We try to tone down how much we wave the pomp on. Well, that's what I see. I'll be honest. This was a nice appetizer, but it's time to get to the main course. You're putting yourself a glass, maybe a couple more. I don't know if you know, Pat. There's been a little bit of talk going on lately about the Saudis.

The SGL. I don't know if you heard about it at all. You haven't talked about it much, but other people are talking. Phil Mickelson, fellow Arizona State Sun Devil, who's made some noise. Give us your thoughts on all this because this Saudi thing, you know, we've been talking about it for a year now, basically. It comes, it goes. That's the thing. It's been too much talk.

But now it finally felt like it was here. Things were happening. They have the guys. They're going to announce it, Players Week, and then, bam, here comes. Phil's comment. Yeah. And then here comes Bryson DeShambon, Dustin Johnson,

pulling out, along with name them, Jason Thomas, Zander, Rom, Colin Moracow, everyone. Where do we stand right now with the SGL? I think the SGL is going to get some players but they're going to be very disappointing

who they get. They're going to get some older players like my age that are looking for a check. Don't really care about playing the tour anymore. Looking for a check and going, you know what? Give me my 30, 40,

or whatever the hell it is, and I'll, you know, I'll do what I need for you, and that's it. I think that's... But what is the point of that? Like, no offense, what's the point of having 44-year-olds? But that's what I said,

I said that a long time ago. I said, you've already, you're starting with the wrong group. The group that you have, no one's going to follow. Phil, Poulter, Westwood, Stenson, Rose, Adam Scott,

nice players. Really nice players had a nice career. You know, some of won majors, you know, but not going to, to lead the charge for the younger group because the younger group is like we want to win majors we want to play it and there's so many things that are always up in the air can we play the majors are we going to give enough world ranking points that we're going to be able to stay in the majors

you know these are things that people to understand you know you take there's been certain players that are not in the top 50 that we're going to go to this thing and go well am i getting enough points to actually qualify the majors or am i just going to play 10 events and be done take my money and kind of disappear in the wind you know that that's a big to from these guys. And I don't know. I don't see, you know, Greg Norman is leading the charge on the whole thing, and then you've got Phil, okay, two guys that, one, nobody really knows Greg Norman anyway. Okay, none of the players today really know him because he's, what, 65, and he was number one in the world, and he was a phenomenal player back in the day, but he doesn't really know the young talent of today. And then you got Phil, who, you know, is trying to lead the charge,

but, you know, his apology was such horseshit in the fact that he thought that he was trying to better players and there, he was in it for one reason. Anybody thinks that he wasn't in it for his own pocket and his pocket only is fucking high. I mean, they're fucking crazy. What do you mean by that? No, I'm kidding.

He was in it for himself and why he went down two different avenues to basically bury himself in both. I can't figure out. I just, I can't, figure he could have done this in such a different way he could have gone you know what i've made a fortune on the pj tour god bless the pj tour for taking care of me and giving me a place to play in this and that but i feel like i want to go down this other route to kind of close out my career thank you everybody

uh it's been phenomenal but you know what i thank you jay and everybody else and tim finchum and all these other guys for the pj tour but i think i'm going to go down this route goodbye that would have been very easy he's not he was not doing it for a guy like me to put more money in my pocket he doesn't give a fuck if I live or die he doesn't care if I plan the tour or not he did it solely for himself to make more money but why he needed you know when you've made 800 to basically damn near a billion dollars like he is made

why are you so desperate to make another hundred and change so fast it seems to me like we talk about this on our radio show all the time. I mean, it really started to get fired. He started to get fired up with the whole, when the matches started. Because the tour was charging him a million dollars. And I get that. I actually get that.

That sucks. That's ridiculous. He's bringing the action. He should get that money. The tour shouldn't get shit. So on that side, I'm actually with Phil on that side. I get it. That seemed to be the catalyst for all.

I think that pissed him off so much. He's like, what right do you have to take money from my thing? But he was still getting his money. He was. But he had to give just a, It was like he had to write a check out of his own pocket. But it's like he had to write a million-dollar check out of his own, you know, four and a half million he got or five and a half million from that,

the Tiger Phil match. It's like he had to give away his deal. TNT and the sponsors had to give the tour money. It's like it came out of Phil's pocket. Right. Why was he so mad about it? He's like, otherwise that comes to me.

Like they're taking a million off the table. That's where he's nuts because it didn't come out of his pocket. He was lucky to get that match anyway and that match sucked. And it should have happened like 10 years ago. It's like packed out of 10 years ago. Pachial Mayweather. I went to a Pachial Mendeweather fight. That was the worst fight I've been to.

Worst. The worst. I get the play of trying to get some leverage to make the PJ tour come. I do it too. But the things he came out and said, the obnoxious greed. It's brutal. I'm like, man, the tour's taking pretty good care of everybody. I mean, you played out there 21 years.

I played out there for eight and things. It's pretty good. It's pretty damn good. And we didn't make 800 million like he did. I mean, he made 800 million plus because of it. Because of the PJ tour. So how can you get people to feel. sorry for you.

You know, of all the money you've made on the PJ tour, you can't do it. It's impossible. And this comes on the heels of him winning the PIP, which is a direct result of their being got. They're like, let's give more money to our stars. He got the, he got all of it. Like I said, like I said, he shouldn't have gotten a dime. The other eight that should not have got a dime as anybody else.

Tiger should have got 40 and said, we owe you the zero over the next 10 years, okay? We owe you $400 million. Thanks God for what you've done. We don't know anybody else. We don't know anybody else. Shit, you guys are getting nothing. Tiger's getting 40. Sorry, Phil.

Thanks for coming, but you're not getting anything. I mean, Tiger put out one swing. How many views did that get that day? 40 million? The first swing you put out, I clicked on it. It showed up on my Twitter, whatever. It was like, released 17 minutes ago, and it was like 2.2 million. I was like, holy God.

That is the winner of the PIP. What other human could put a video out and get that many clicks? Nobody. I've said 100 times. I could win three times. I'd have to streak three times. And I'm still not on the list. You'd have to put the green jacket on.

Couldn't even do it. And I have to like kick somebody in the nuts on the way out. Other jackets. You make a video with our guy from Houston. You might have a chance. Maybe. Possibly. Don't put that off the table.

Maybe. But I just don't understand the Phil thing. I don't understand why he went about it so wrong. He could have. And I understand if he was actually trying to help the players and this and that, he did it completely wrong. I don't know how he could have done it more wrong. but you're not leveraging by using the Saudi group to get us more money.

You are trying to fill your pockets. You were trying behind everyone's back to get players to sign so that you could get your big golden paycheck in the end and then take off. Because I got news for you. If that fucker gets $150 million, you think he's going to apologize to anybody for what happened? If it would have gone down Sunday night where he gets $150 million to check, you think he's going to apologize anybody?

No. No. No. He's fucking gone. He's gone. Let me ask you this. He's, he got nothing. He got nothing.

Yeah. And he found himself on a fucking island by himself. He's got no home. God damn. What did I do? He goes, what the fuck did I do this week? And I'm sitting here by myself.

And I got nobody. I got to do something. The Saudis are pissed to you. The PJ Tour is pissed to you. And now the players. Not just players, but like the top players are pissed to you. He's just a man without a home right now.

It doesn't matter if I match you because that doesn't matter. But when Rory says, Start speaking out. JT. Start speaking out. JT. and things change. Yeah.

When you call, when you call the other, you know, basically the second biggest, well, it is the second biggest name in my generation. You call them egotistical and this kind of stuff. That was a shot. That's a big blow. That was a big shot. And I'm proud of J.T. And these other players for doing that because Phil was not working for them.

Whether they believe it or not, he was working to fill his own fucking pockets. And that was it. And if he got that money on Sunday night, he had been fucking gone and that would have been it there'd be no apology and been like you know what guys I won suck on it

that's what we're done I promise you I love you there's no apology run for president I agree you should but that's what would have happened I don't disagree with you dude

the other big name involved with that was Bryson which I think surprised a lot of us when he said as long as the best players in the world are on the PJ tour that's where I'm playing because he was the guy

that looked like he was going to be the face he was the face he left some wiggle room in his statement He did. I would love you. They're all just statements. Like, they can change their mind. They're all statements.

He left some wiggle room, but he was. I kind of know what happened with DJ. I can't really, you know, put it out there. But Bryson was totally a shock. Someone got to Bryson and said, this ain't going to work or something along that line because he was not far behind DJ in his statement saying, I'm going with the PJ tour.

So who got to him? because if you got $135 million offered, that's a lot of money to turn down. Let me tell you. That's a lot of good golf. That's a lot of fucking money. A lot of good golf. He will never make that kind of money on the course.

It just never happened. But, I mean, someone got to him. You think it was someone or the fact that all these other names that already fallen in line? He's like, dude, what am I going to do? I mean, the only top 10 guy in the world over there? Like, no, I'm not going for that. I think it was a person or the fact that everyone else said, I think it was a combination of both.

I think it was both. I think it was both. And I think maybe it was one of the Saudi groups. When, you know, when Phil started going down his track, and one of the guys from the Saudi said, hey, Phil fucked himself. He's out. We're not doing this. I mean, we're never going to get the real story, unfortunately.

They're definitely still trying to do it because they're going to try to do it because they're going to, they're lining with the Asian tour. But the problem is Greg Norman, the Asian tour is not going to move the needle for anybody because if you don't have anybody in the top 100 that plays a PGA tour, no one cares. It becomes AAA baseball. Go have your $21 million. It doesn't matter. No, exactly.

They're good baseball players. Nobody's watching. You're not a major league. That's my whole thing. There's no way they continue to do $20 million a week curses with the highest ranked player being 25th in the world. There's just no way. And then all the way down to like $250 or $300 because you're playing the Asian tour.

But then you look and it seemed like, I mean, as Rory said, he goes, this thing's dead because no one's going. But then, you know, Greg Norman writes a letter to Jay Monaghan, you know, because Jay's whole deal was if you go play this tour, you're banned from the PGA tour for life. Well, Greg writes a letter saying that's not true, actually. you can play wherever you want and don't think this is the end this is just the beginning. So obviously they're still, they still have some kind of plan.

I guarantee there's players. It's not who they want. But Jay may just say, you know what, go ahead, go do it. Because you think about the guys that have signed. Let's say, I know there are guys that have signed. I can't give names, but I know there are guys that have signed. If they go, or let's just say they try to get out of their deal, how are you going to argue with that group and go, you know what I signed? I was fucking with you, I'm out.

They're going to go, the fuck you are. You are here, and you are going to represent us, and that's it. So those guys are probably wishing God they didn't sign out. Okay, but let's throw one other example out there real quick, because, yes, that possibly could happen. But let's just say, you know what, we're going to carry on with what we got, the SGL. And you got Player A, who's ranked 44th in the world, who goes over there, plays two weeks in a row for $20 million bucks, makes $5 million in two weeks.

And then these guys at home are sitting, shit, this thing's, this thing's going. It's real. It is. It is. And I get that part of it. I get that part of it. But are you going to drag enough guys over there because you've had so many people? I don't think it's actually going to happen.

I really don't. Do you think they play an event? Any event ever. Is that the L holding an event? I think they're going to play. If I'm guessing, I think they play like three. My thought is they have so much money. Okay, let's just say, we're still.

We're going to show them, we're for real. We're going to put. on these events and we're going to sacrifice $60 million for the first three weeks and we're going to show the top players we're for real and this is going to happen. Well it's the same thing as the horse league. They have that race coming up over inside. It's a $20 million deal

horse race and all the top horses go over there because, you know, first place is $10 million. So they do show up. I think the problem, I think what is going to get pissed is that they thought they could buy anybody. And they realize these guys aren't horse

and you can't buy them. You can't buy them. That's what I think. They thought, oh, we can buy these guys. We have all the money in the world. We can just buy these guys. Well, I said it from the start a year ago. They're not paying enough money. They're not paying enough money.

You're going to have to give everybody $200 million plus before you really start to see anybody go that way. And it's actually got to get in their account. You got to see that it's real. It's been a year of talk. It's all talk. Literally talk. Oh, we're going to give you X. We're going to do this.

Where is it? It's been a year later we still have nothing. Where is it all? Where is it? Now we don't have top players. We've got our leader-in-charge Phil who's shit all down his throat. He's got nothing to do with it. Bryson took off.

DJ took off. So now we've got a bunch of 45-year-olds. No young stars of any kind. This guy may get into polo or something. I mean, who knows? I mean, I just don't see it. Did they come to you? No.

They did not come to me. That's insulting. No, I don't care. No way. I'm not the name. I know some of the names that have been, like, and I know guys that people like to watch.

I'm not the name, I'm not the guy, I don't have high enough anything to where these guys would come to me, but even still, you know, even if they came to me with this small number, so,

well, we guarantee you, you know, five years of, five years of ten tournaments at 20 million apiece, it still wouldn't be enough. It just won't.

Because they would have to give me enough money that the 10 years I'm going to play in the champ tour, plus when I'm making the next four years, and my retirement's going to stop kicking in now, they'd have to give me all that. They're not going to give me a fucking eighth of that. Do the pension and the retirement and the stuff like that if you leave and left the PJ, do you forfeit that?

You don't forfeit it, but it starts like for me, which is actually amazing. Well, I don't know actually about, I'm not going to say Tiger, but let's say I didn't play 15 events this year. All right. On my 46 birthday, like in next, you know, my 46. Now, now, my retirement would kick in. As soon as you don't play 15. So as you don't play 15 events by your 40s.

sixth birthday, your shit's coming in. Okay. Now you can take it and obviously reinvest it again, but you're talking about putting back a quarter. If you didn't play 15 and then you said, I'm going to the SGL and I'm playing over there now, does it go away? Yeah, it's all, no, it doesn't go away because they can't just take it. They can't actually take it, but it all starts. Okay. It all starts.

It stops growing and it all starts. So you take me another 14 years of what's in there already plus another four years plus another 10 on the champ. You know, the number for me has to be. be so big, they would never give me anything near that. And they'd have to do that for everybody. Yeah, they'd have to do it for everybody. That's why they said, oh, we got $1.6.5 billion. Well, you're going to spend all that just trying to get anybody to fill your 48-man roster.

Let me ask you this, because the big threat was like, if you go over there, you can never play the PJ tour, your band again. Let's just say, for the sake of argument, five of the top 10, name them, J.T., Rory, whoever you want to name, DJ, ROM, go, and they commit, and 10 of the top 20 commit, and they go over there and this thing sucks after eight weeks. It's not what they thought. And like, this sucks. I want to come back to the PJ tour.

Do you really think that the PJ tour was going to hold them to that? And say, sorry, 10 of the top 20. We don't want you here anymore. No. You know, as much as I love the PJ tour, I don't think that they have. If you have, and I always use the AT&T, I always use Pebble for some reason in a while. Let's say Pebble Beach is going on. And you've got John Rom, Rom, J.T., you know, Morikawa, Cantlay, Zander.

Name them. Name 10 guys, right? and they show up and they call up to I think it's Randall Stevenson, the CEO and say, hey, what's up, brother? We want to play, but the tour won't let us. What do you think he's going to go?

He's calling Monaghan and going, these guys are playing or my fucking check is gone. Take a pick. Totally agree. Guess what? They're going to play. 100%. But I'm actually just glad that I'm actually,

but I'm actually glad. But if the top guys is the 45th rank player in the world, they're going to probably say, screw you, you don't move it. You ain't calling the CEO. And he's saying, come. If I call, if I call Jay, hey, fuck, what's up, brother? It didn't work out, but I'm coming back.

Who's this? Yeah, we could use you for valet. That's about it, because we don't need you for anything because you're nobody. You know, the other part of this whole deal was the major championships. Yeah, it was talked about whether they could still play. And there was talk that, yes, they could play, the Masters, the U.S. Open and the British Open. PGA was siding with the PGA was signing with the PGA tour. But we talk about this, like, say these major championships do side with the PGA tour and say,

hey, you know what, if you do this, you're not going. But you're telling me at the U.S. Open, if five of the top ten in the world aren't there, they're not going to be like, this is not good. That's why. But I think Augusta has so much control. Personally, I believe that there are certain players that got a call or they got some sort of, you know,

some sort of deal that said you're not going to be able to play here if you go that route. And I think that's kind of where things change. because Augusta leads the entire operation. You know, I'm just glad that I'm just, I hope it does, I hope it does take a shit because the PJ tour is incredible. And for a guy like Phil to bitch and moan

over the $800, 900 billion he made, it's the same thing when he complained about California taxes to the media. Like anybody fucking cares about your problem. Everyone hates the taxes, but they're not going to get any sympathy. Here's an idea. Fucking move.

Here's an idea. Move. Okay, move. You got three million people in California don't have a job. You think they're fucking worried about your, you know, $20 million tax problem you have because you've got $100 million in property and all your other fucking bullshit that nobody cares about? No, they don't care.

Let me ask you one about Phil because his statement that came out. You know, he apologized to his fellow players. He apologized to the Saudis. He never once apologized to Jay Monaghan in the PJ Tour. That was the problem. He never apologized to the tour. He never apologized to Jay Monahan. He never apologized to anybody.

He danced around like he does. does, you know. And you know what? I hope he gets reprimand. I hope he has to sit around a year or whatever. I hope he's gone for a while because he really shot himself in the dick this time because he thought he was bigger and better and smarter than everybody like he usually does. Like that goddamn insider trading thing went down, right? Didn't go to jail. Martin Stewart went to jail. Me and you, we pull that stunt, we go to jail. Somehow he always fucking escaped. He's just. from all this shit. No, but anyway, but anyway, it is unfortunate, I will say, it is unfortunate because, you know,

I wish that Phil actually had been fighting for us and not his own pocket, because I understand there are some things that Phil was trying to do that he's right. Media rights, you know, certain things. And I'm talking about top players like him that've been forever. He probably could have made another $300, $400,000 based on his name and his fame and all this thing. He could have probably made a lot more money based on, what the tour, you know, should have given him over time because he's been one of the biggest

names and biggest faces for 30 years. I mean, the guy was the top 50 for 30 years. You know, incredible that is? It's incredible. I mean, there's another stat that... You haven't lost your car in 21 years. That's pretty damn incredible, but he's been out there beating people's heads for 30. But think about, think about that, that is another stat that will be very hard to beat is a guy that's top 30, top 50 is for 30 years. That's amazing. So I get what he was kind of doing, but overall he just did it wrong. He just did it wrong. And now he's on an island by himself.

And unfortunately, he ain't going to get that gold paycheck. So is anyone looking to turning 50 more than you? No. I can't wait to get out there. You are the ultimate champion tour guy. This will be in my cup holder. H, you know, I'm thirsty.

I can't wait. H'll have a moon bag. His bag will be the size of this cock, with 14 clubs and that's it. You might not even need for it. You can't wait. You're going to be the best champions tour player. God, I can't wait to go out.

We're all in on champs tour. You want to play it for, you want to do it? Think about our sport. We have such an amazing deal. But this goes back to what the PJ Tour has done to help all of us players. We have this retirement thing at 50 years old that no other sport has where you go, hey, if you want to go play, we're going to give you a cart. And if you win, you're going to make 300 to 400 grand this week. And there's no cut.

No cut. It's three days. A couple pro-ams, member T-times, you know, 10 to 12. It's incredible what the PGA tour is done for us. So good, dude. Now that you talk about it. Think about how great that is. And I'm going to go and talk shit about what the tour owes me.

Fucking tour doesn't owe me anything. It's an unbelievable tour. I'm going to start. At 48. No, there's nothing. I mean, think about what we have.

We have guys that go out and they make, I mean, Bernard Long has made like $30 fucking $8 million in the champ tour. You know, which money that is after you're 50? He's better than his tour career. Way better. I got to look this up.

I'm going to stay. I'm going to stay. It's incredible. It's incredible. It's incredible. It's incredible. And I've kind of know. At 48,

I'm starting to fucking practice again. I'm getting back. You should. I got to do it. I'm going to Q's school. I'm riding a car, you drink, you hang out, there's no cut, you make money.

There are some things like, you know, I argued last week, I didn't argue, but I said, you know, I don't think that you should be out a dollar. If you have your PJ tour card, one to one-25, you should get X to start the year.

And they're going to do it. If you want to blow it, three months, no, but it's insulting. With the 15, right. It's insulting. Yeah, 15 starts. You get, what is it?

50 to $250. Yeah, I think it's 200 to 300,000. That's what you should get. If you want to blow it on one week, go ahead. If not, then, you know, Rich Lurter is talking last night. He's like, yeah, you know, we got guys that say they're spending, you know, 100 to 20, $125,000 a week. On this, I'm like, a week. A week?

They're like, oh, it's expensive. You know, Rich is like defending. Like, oh, yeah, it's really tough to be. What are you flying? A top player. Global Express. Are you saying it's worried? They got trainers.

They got chefs. They got homes. They got planes. he got that that I go You're getting robbed You don't have to spend $125,000 a week I promise you

It's not that expensive To do what we do But I agree with you If you're you have your PJ tour card You should not lose money And I only use that because I had a friend That played about 11 years ago He made $22,000 that year

Played shitty Didn't have a great year It is what it is But he lost about 75 grand that year Yeah I got the same deal dude Buddy mine made it through Q school Back when you could get your tour card

Through there He was a good player got out there, lights were too bright, shit the bed, didn't play great, made no money, like hardly any money, a couple cuts, lost a shitload of money, quit the game, then I had to go back cornvair. He's like, dude, I'm in debt.

Like, I don't have... This is part of the deal, and I've argued certain things against the tour where Phil is actually kind of correct these things where, you know, they have got it made where club companies have to pay you to get any money. Why is the tour not giving this money?

I agree. It's like an NBA player. You don't ever get off the bench. Hey, you're down. 80 grand. Yeah, exactly. It wouldn't happen. I said,

I said a few weeks ago. I said, you got guys that sit on the bench never take their sweats off making $9 million. And guess what? Private planes, Ritz Carlton.

Pay for all your house. A check when you get off, cash when you get out the plane, shit like that. I'm like, it's different. It's like tennis.

It's like tennis. It's on a sport. That's what I said. How many every week she'd like, five grand? It's nothing. There's a product. So this deal,

right? So this deal that they're talking about proposed. All the players, all the players, the 15 event, 50,000, guess how much it is? Guess how much of that's up? For all the players? How much that is? Everything for a year.

I don't know. 30 million. 14 million. I was going to say 10 million. They gave away more than that in Phoenix. Yeah. Okay. I'm all for charity.

Believe me, it's great what the PGA tour does when they line up and give charity and that's I'm all for it. But whether you're, you know, Tiger Woods or me, it takes everybody to fill the field and get everybody out there to actually. donate that much money. So why, if you miss a cut, are you out money? I just don't get it. 14 million is this proposed thing that you're giving away,

but now a sudden they're going to do 50 or 60 million for the PIP, which is horseshit. It's horseshit. And they don't even explain how you win. I couldn't win that. I couldn't win that. If I won the Grand Slam, I still couldn't win that. And no one knows the rules either.

It's just. Nobody knows anything about it. Nobody knows the count. I mean, Rom gave me the rundown of who actually won all the money. but it's a joke. I just don't understand how you can be out money

if you are... The best. You're one to 125 in a sport that people want to play from here to Florida. They're lined up to play the tour. That was the other thing

I said last week about, you know, these Saudi guys, go if you want to go. Please, we will fill spots for you with a lot of other people. Go ahead and take your money and go. I told a person...

There's no shortage of guys that are trying to get a tour. I told a guy that in the, you know, in the hoop, at LA. I said, what are you guys leaving, by the way?

So, you know, what do you mean? What do you guys leaving? Are you guys leaving soon? Hopefully. Last question on all this SGL stuff. Are the guys,

like, open? You walk down the range over the last year, whatever it's been, and you walk down the range. Like, are guys open about it? Like,

yo, I just talked to them last week, man, they offered me this. Oh, yeah. I heard that same. I just got this offer. They might be a little more open with me. Because I'm in the face.

I ask, I don't give a shit. I'm like, I don't even care what the number is But I ask my like You know, are you going? What's the number? You know, what would it take? That's it. Because I want to know Because I want to know. I just want to know

What's the market? What's the market? When are you guys leaving? That's not a question Because I said I wish the top 48. I just moved up 20 spots on the last I wish the top 48 would leave Because we get a field like we get a field like pebble You'd be at East Lake I mean the problem is that some of the fields that we have guys that have been in a card in over a decade that are filling some of the stuff.

So, you know, it would be a hit. It would suck if you got top 48 guys to leave because who knows, maybe this monster would pull out and pulled back. It would just get ugly. I think it would get ugly. I'm glad that all the young talent stayed. And, you know, I...

It sounds like it's safe. Like, the names that could have left and would have changed the game aren't. From what they've said, their statements say they're not. No, they're not going anywhere. I'm glad that that happened, and I'm glad that Phil took a shit. And we're glad that we have you.

Love having you. And we can talk to you all day by this. We're going to get to something quick and fun to end this episode real quick. So we've done the emergency nine with you before, but we changed it up for you a little bit. And actually, this one question that we asked to everyone now is different from the last time you're on. So you can trade lives with anyone for a day, dead or alive. Who's it going to be? Phil McElson.

Jesus. I'm that fucking man. I know. I knew. Okay. Okay. There we go. That is not true.

That's the last person I would trade with at this point in time. Oh, God. Last person in life I would trade with at this point in time. I could feel it. You gotta be something like rock and the ball dude or something. It would be, yeah, it would be, you know, someone like a James Hetfield or, you know, someone in a major band that, you know, axel. Like, like, 86. You're like, slashed.

Slash guns and rubbing. Something like that. God, it would be unbelievable. I wish I could have gone down the sunset strip in the 80s when all that was going on, when crew and, you know, and like Cinderella and Warrant and all these unbelievable big bands, Axel, you know,

and that would have been unbelievable. You might be the one dude that actually slide into that and not, and it wouldn't look weird. But I might not have come out. True. Like, if I was playing the tour and I got to hang out down the strip, I think I would have just been like swallowed up and been gone.

You could have been on that road life, though. Road life would have been. life would have been bad for a while. You'd be sleeping on a bridge right now, but it'd be a hell of a run. Okay, let's start the real thing. I'll handle this ship. Okay, go. Instagram, obviously, very, very popular on the world today and also among PGA tour players.

Which PGA tour player is most likely to buy followers? Buy followers? Hmm. That's a damn good question. Oh, man. Hmm. I could tell you who needs to. Yeah, I know who needs to, but I, shit,

Bies following, I can't even think. I thought this would be off the top of your head. I don't follow enough followers. I don't fall enough players. I don't know. I actually can't come with anybody. Oh, we can circle back. I don't even know.

I don't even know because I don't really, I don't follow that many players. I don't really. Who has the most? Who has a lot? I know Tiger Phil, obviously, but. I have no idea. I have no idea.

I assume you'd say like Roy Sabatini or somebody. Oh, maybe. with his hat. Roy wouldn't Sabo wouldn't I don't feel like he cares The Zilky Slovakia It's got to be someone that cares about social media

It's got to be Yeah it's got to be someone that Yeah He wants to be That wants to be in that spotlight All the time That's why I can't think of who actually Like Max is funny

But he wouldn't buy any You know he wouldn't buy anything No Bryson it's all about You know His numbers He wouldn't care enough Phil maybe

I don't know Tiger sure is hell Wouldn't next question I don't think Tiger knows how to log on to Instagram He's got the most of all All right, I'll stay on the social media here theme for a second.

Player most likely to take a selfie at the gym before they ever break a sweat. Bryson. Okay. He also posed them all his sweating. There's a lot of gym selfies in the game right now. It won't be me because I don't go there. Yeah, that's perfect. Sure is home won't be me.

It's like a workout doesn't count unless everyone knows about it. All right, next one. Last year, you and I did this deal teed up for charity where we were coaches of celebrities. You had Nick Lechay, who's been known for many of things, but he was a member. 98 degrees. And you kind of had a little man crush on him, I feel like you were going at him a little bit.

You don't feel like a 98 degrees. I would add him hard though. I think I don't think we're friends anymore. Okay. I kind of went out a little hard, I think. It was fantastic. Give it to Nick a little bit. You wanted to be in the stands

and getting sweat on. But okay, hold on. I had a lot of booze. How are you going to be Axel Rose and Nick Lechay? That doesn't match. Okay. So which PJ tour player most likely to be in a boy band? Oh.

Ricky Fallon. Perfect. Okay. He kind of already was with that. He was. Golf boys or whatever. Him and Bubba and Hunter and who's the other one?

Ben Crane. Ben Crane was in it? Yeah. Crane actually, he does some. Ricky could pull off anything. Literally Ricky could pull off anything. I mean, the guy, he could shoot a horn out of his head.

He could shoot somebody and they'd be like, praise him. That's it. He has it all. He has it all. Ricky has it all. He does. All right, this one I'm interested to hear because I might have been this guy back in the day.

But player most likely to ask the bum a chew as soon as they see you on the range. Everybody. Yeah. I literally get it. I tell everybody, I said, I mean,

they have these places that sell these things are called convenience stores. But sometimes you're running late, you don't slide in there, you need one to warm up. So I gave one to Joel Damon, funny enough thing about it

just out of top my head, I gave him a chew on number 10. He was like one under for the tournament. And we had to wait an hour on number 10 in Monterey. I gave him a chew over the next 27 holes. I think he was like 15 under.

So that won't happen again. You owe me a couple cans, but that won't happen again. So that won't definitely not happen again. You owe me. a can. At least a can. I get hit up all the time. Hey, man. I know. I know. Strillman's another one.

Hits me up all the time. Oh, bro. He'll do it. He's probably trying to hide it. Yeah. He is. He's like, hey, hey, can I get a pinch? I don't want to smoke else. That's good. That's good. I'm like, hey, fuck off. You know, go buy something. I was that guy too. But the next day I'd show up with four and like, hey, I hit you yesterday. He gets me all the time. Him, Strillman always hits me up like sneakily. Like sneaky.

I love that. Can I get a pinch. All right. Next one. There's no question. the best nickname on the PG best and most fitting nickname on the PJA tour is the Seagull Charlie Hoffman there's no doubt so let's take him out of the equation no best what's the best nickname on the PJ tour I don't even know the other ones

I mean give me give me something I don't even know who's got nicknames I've heard fig jam a bunch but that's a lot figured you go with that but that's a whole lot of people I feel like old dudes had good nicknames dude why scoffel was a little easy to towering Inferno.

You had boom boom, boom is a good nickname. I think the best one ever probably was DePate, the volcano. The volcano. I feel like you really looked up to him a lot. Oh, the blade. Frankie the Blade. Frankie the Blade. Even though, it was just a knife that.

We used to call him El Cuchillo, which is, you know, Spanish for like, it's not really knife. It's kind of like, you know, it's kind of like knife, but not really. But Frankie the Blade, I'll give you a quick story about Pate. So we're doing the thing for ASU. and Peyton on 17 hits in the bunker on the right on 17 and he chunks it out

and he fucking starts running starts running through the bunker I mean he's got like 15 yards he didn't just go out this way he starts fucking running right gets on top of the bunker jumps and tomahawks this wedge

and it goes that guy's I like you that is my kind of guy and this is 1996 I'm like man that guy's unbelievable and I thought his name was a volcano No, that was unbelievable. That is great.

He could go. He's still a beauty. Incredible. He's incredible. I don't even know. I don't know the other nicknames. That's the thing. There are not as many dudes now with good nicknames.

Not now. Like, the old days had better ones. I mean, Patty Ice, that's not really a... No. It's not really a name. Big beautiful. He's not. He is gorgeous.

He is a special dude. I don't really know other nicknames. I don't, I don't really have. Segal. Segal, I mean, Hoffman wins by a landslide. Yeah. I mean, he wins a PIP, no matter what. 100%.

And it's a guy. It's catching some momentum. All right, I got two more for you, but player most likely to clog up an entire hole with too many putting aids on the putting green. God, they can't see it all the time. It just happened the other day. Who the hell did it?

I had to take the T's down. Bryson used to do it. No, no. He had the whole, like, enclosed thing that was... Who did it the other day? I want to say Zal Taurus does it. I want to say, who the hell was the other kid that did the other day?

He had like 15, 20 T's on my, bro, this green's not big enough out here. That rib. The greens are like, the size of me here right small there yeah took the whole thing I don't know who I came with hell it was can we talk about iron covers though

by the way can we talk about there's only one guy right so I mean Aaron Rye Aaron Rye I mean Iron cover man you know we got iron man

iron cover man yeah and the two gloves and iron covers I'm like he's got the whole deal and he's slow as fuck too fuck guy

couldn't be any slower on top of it fuck couldn't be any slow I'm like I don't even know the fucker I don't even know the guy well he's got to take the head cover off I don't know who he is stuff to do. But I got behind him in the pro. I'm like, who in the fuck is this guy up here?

Iron covers, two gloves. I'm like, taking forever. I'm like, what are we doing out here? Dude, he's got a lot of action to get ready to try even before he starts. What are we doing out here? You know, come on. It's not just you. Iron covers. Iron cover. God. I feel like I know the answer to this. I got one like good positive one after you. Yeah, no, you're 46 years old. You can win one more PGA tour event before you call it quits. No major, no players. What's it going to be? 20 pines. Yeah, kind of figured that. I should have said and or tort five. Like a top six this year?

You know what I mean? Was that your best finish? I finished second. I lost the stallings, what, eight years ago, something like that. And that was, I literally put that in my mind. You know, for me to finish top ten at that tournament, it's beyond golf. If you're bad at anything out there, it's going to show up. Oh, anything.

I mean, to shoot 900 on the weekend there, I swear to God, it's the best golf ever played my life. Even when I won. Yeah, last one. That's a beat. All right. Here's a positive because we went doing like embarrassing ones. All right. Player most likely to go to Caddy Down the United.

and eat with the caddies. Me, I've done it a hundred times. That happens actually more than you'd think. Yeah, they're a bunch of dudes. Especially when they had that catty-todging. Yo, I've been in catty dining one time a year. I'm in there. I don't see nobody coming in to eat with us.

Bro, the catty wagon was unbelievable. The catty wagon used to be incredible. But I'll tell you what, there is some bad food. Those guys, I mean, they get treated like. Some weeks, it's, I mean, the food was so bad in player dining. The catty wagon was a very popular spot. You can get a sandwich, chips. It's like $2.

It's, yeah, I mean, literally, they get, they get treated like prisoners sometimes. And Pebble, it was Chipotle every single day. I was in there. That's what I need. I was there every week. I was down there, though. First off, you're wrong about Colonial. A lot of players eat the one down there because they have a barbecue.

I'm just saying, dude, I was there last year. One year I was in the corner thing and I was getting fined. I was like, fuck how am I going to hear it? But no one single player in that piece when we were down there. Pat Perez, you are an absolute beauty. Never change, my man. Don't ever. Don't ever.

I love you. Don't worry. I'm beautiful. God. All right. was pat perez joining us here on golf subpar and who boy that one was fire sleaze you know obviously some very interesting comments there at the end with phil mickleson obviously some personal stuff they have going on but um like i said one of the reasons i think everyone loves

pat perez he's one of the most popular guys on the pGA tour is he doesn't sugarcoat anything he is just very honest and let you know how he feels yeah it was it was spicy i mean there's some things in there that you know we heard him talk at riviera we wanted to give him in a you know an open platform to come and speak his mind. And I think it's clear that we be very clear that this is a platform golfs up bar where we let anybody come on. You want to talk about,

we don't tell you what to say, hey, come on and give this take or whatever. You come on. You speak your mind. It's a safe place. Right now, Phil's getting, you know, he's getting it from a lot of different angles right now. And I just want to be clear that, like,

anyone that's on Phil's like we're happy to have a conversation in support of Phil, if there's somebody out there that wants to make those points too. But Pat, a friend of ours, he had some things on his mind. mind and we're a platform where you can come and speak your piece and that's what pat did and um it was it was very interesting diving into that and kind of peeling back the layers from some of those statements he made at riv yeah he is i mean he loves the pGA tour he's been out there for

21 straight years just an unreal career and he's passionate about the pj tour and he supported the pgia tour he is not for the super golf league and the sotties and i mean all we can do is ask a question and he's going to hear where he wants to and he people think yeah he's honest about it but he's just so much fun to talk to. He's very fiery. He's very passionate. I mean, talking about, you know, turning 50, which is still four years away, by the way. He's so excited to get out there. He's built for the PGA Tour champions. I've never seen anyone more excited to get older than Pat Perez. No, he's like that gray area, that 45 to 50 where guys kind of aren't good enough to play on the PGA Tour anymore. They're waiting for the champ tour. Pat's clearly good enough to still be

on the PJs. He's coming off a couple of top tens at some tough tracks, but he's just jumping at the bit right now. I think he's looking forward to that more than anything. And dude, he's just the guy that, like, you know, we show up. I see him in the parking lot. He's already got a bunch of energy. He's sitting there holding his own bottle of wine. He brought a glass. Like, he's ready to go.

You don't take a lot to wind up, Pat. And he's just always fun to talk about. No matter what the topic of conversation is, Pat's got something to say about it. And I think that's a breath of fresh air just in the world of sports, not just golf, where there are so many guys that are so scared to say what they actually think. They might get in trouble. Pat doesn't subscribe to that theory at all. He's going to tell you exactly what he thinks.

If you don't want to hear it, don't listen. He's very incredible at swirling the wine. too. Oh, he ain't no rook. He's a professional. First time. Swirler. Yeah. And apologies to Aaron Rye, by the way. He got, I don't even know how that came up. He was out of left field. He just threw that out there. That was just like a little, like a stray bullet that just came in. Then we're on one time to just shot to the head, kill shot right there for him. So yeah, that was that was a lot of fun. That was our second episode with Pat Perez. I'm sure it will not be our last. Yeah, without question. Pat's got an open forum. And like I said, anybody on Phil's side that wants to come in here,

Phil himself, anybody that wants to come in and talk about that, we're all ears. We're on both sides. We don't take sides. We just provide a place for you to speak your piece, and Pat did that. All right. Well, it's time to make everyone out there some money with our people over at Fandul. Step up to the T and take a swing at betting the PGA Tour on Fandul's sportsbook. Right now, new customers can place their first PGA tour bet risk-free, and if you don't win,

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You know, one of the tournaments where if you win, three-year exemption, obviously a very, very big purse in a very strong field. So it's time to get a month. The house that Arne built. Not our best week last week, but, you know, those happened. Yeah. By the way, there was a man on Twitter that came at me, hating on Louis Oostezen, shot five.

over the first day followed up a little 29 on his second nine Friday shoot 64 at one point got all the way up to 15th in the field and I was like here he comes here he he goes this could be a sneaky little backdoor good finish didn't appreciate the hate he didn't apologize when Louis was stuck around and made the cut but whatever on the opposite side of that I started getting a bunch of tweets and messages when Joaquin Neiman was 400 through 10 and they're like here he goes he's doing he hit the pin almost hold out like here he goes again I was like yep of course just like I said he's gonna be fine then seven over for the remainder of the 36 holes MC trunk slamer so

Things can turn quick in this game, bud. All right, well, the defending champion, Bryson DeShambo, will not be in the field this week at the API, but we have a loaded field. And for the favorite this week, I'm just, I have a feeling that this is going to be a huge year for this guy. He won at the API back in 2018. His number's a little low, but I just think he's going to play really well. It sets up perfect for him. Rory McElroy, 10 to 1.

Oh, okay. Out on a limb, a little 10 to 1 piece there for Rory. Good spot for him. I mean, this place gets very firm, very fast. Rory hits it to the moon. He's a great iron player. I was around him at Riviera. The driver, as always, looks incredible. It's a weapon.

He just seems to be in a really good place in life, too. And a happy Rory normally leads to really good golf. I'm looking forward to Rory having a big 2022. Yep. I mean, there ain't no reason to doubt that. I wanted to go up top two and pick John Rom, especially coming off the hills of a bad week for him at Rive. But eight to one.

I mean, what are we doing? You know what I mean? I need a little more juice than that. So at the top of my board, I'm going back to the well. Pick this man at Rive. Came damn close. I finished fourth out there, but Victor Havlin,

14 to 1. He's finished top 4 and 3 of his last 5, including two wins during that time. The hero and Maia Coba. I mean, we don't need to talk about his ball striking. We all know about he's one of the best drivers in the world, one of the best iron players in the world. Short game, but getting better.

Putter's plenty good. So good week at Rive. I look for him to continue that. I just think he just gives himself so many chances, Tita Green, that these places where that's paramount. I love Vic, so 14 to 1. Let's run it back. And he's delivered two wins for us here on golf so far.

Can he make it a third this 21, 22 season? He's going to win some big events. I mean, this is a ball strikers golf course. I've played here many of times. This is built for Victor Hovlin, no doubt about it. You go a little further down the list. I'm going off a guy who's, I talked to his swing coach, Mark Blackburn a lot. You know, he played tied for fifth at the Honda last week.

He seems to be trending in the right direction. A golf course where you've got to be a big hitter. Gary Woodland, 50 to 1. I just think good golf is coming for Gary. It was good to see G-dub have himself a week last week. He's been coming. He three-potted 18 from six feet. He did.

Did you text him? Of course. As soon as he finished. I'm like, why would you do that? I's finished. I'm nuts. They're still giving away money. Hey, you don't have to hit six-footers 12 feet, okay?

Rammed it by. I'm like, what are you doing? I know it's been a while, but chill out on the 72nd when you got big money pots. But it was good to see G-dub back in the house playing some good golf. I'm going a little further down the list as well, and I'm going with a familiar name from last year. I don't know that I've talked about them a lot this year. 55 to 1 sitting there. One of the best strikers of the rock on tour.

Flusher is what we like to call this guy. Corey Connors, okay? I'm going with him. It's had a little time off after the Genesis, get things right, come back, but just another guy that's just going to pound fairways, pound greens. Potter, excuse me. Wow.

It's a long weekend, bud. You know what I mean? But he's just going to pound fairways, pound greens. And the harder it is from Tida Green, the better I like Cory Conner. So I'm going to go with one of my faves, you know? I love this man. 55 to 1.

He had a little time off. He took one week off. One week. That's plenty of time. How much time do you need? All right. Well, API is going to be a lot of fun. I'm going to give you one more.

A little further down the list. His numbers are very, very good. He's got some of the best numbers at Bay Hill, but obviously has never hoisted the trophy. But he got a PGA tour winner this year. 65 to 1 Luke list. Look out for him this week around the APA. Lucky.

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