Subpar - Paul 'Biznasty' Bissonnette Interview: What it takes to be an enforcer in the NHL, how he became known as a sandbagger on the golf course

Episode Date: November 3, 2020

On this week's episode of GOLF's Subpar, former NHL enforcer Paul 'Biznasty' Bissonnette joins former PGA Tour pro Colt Knost and his close friend and on course rival Drew Stoltz for an exclusive, in-studio, interview. The host of hockey's #1 podcast, Spittin' Chiclets, talks how his show became such a huge success, being an enforcer in the NHL, and how one round with Sidney Crosby and Nathan MacKinnon caused him to forever be known as a sandbagger on the golf course.

Hello world. Welcome to another week of golf subpar, Colt Nost and Drew Stoltz, right off the airplane from beautiful sunny Florida. Sleez, what a time we had. What a session down there. Wow. By the way, I didn't realize how far Arizona and Florida were apart until I had to go through across the entire United States to get there. Holy God, what an episode it was getting to and from there. But man, was it worth it.

That's a hard one to beat that there, what we just had. Yeah, we will dive deep into that here in a little bit. But first, we've got to give a big shout out to Brian Gay, 48 years old getting his fifth PGA tour win. He beat Wyndham Clark in a playoff, which is kind of tough for us. I like Brian Gaye a lot, but Wyndham Clark being a past guest on golf subpar.

I was really pulling hard for him. Yeah, no disrespect to Brian Gay. Congratulations. I was rude my ass off for dub, obviously. My pupil, my one pupil that I helped mold into what he is today. He has yet to admit that, by the way. He knows it, though, subconsciously. He just doesn't want to bring it up on the air.

But yeah, dude, good to see him play well. Good to see him in the hunt. Tough, tough L for him. I think once he gets one, he goes, he looked really good and just the sky's the limit for that kid. Yeah, he did. He had a put to win and then got really aggressive with it, made a nice little four-footer coming back to play out. How about that one, dude? You and I were sitting there watching, I was like, that's probably not the one you want coming back.

Yeah. I didn't really, yeah, didn't expect him to have a little aggressive, but he went for it. I like that he went for it. Exactly. He didn't get it up there. Brian Gay did what Brian Gay does. Makes putts. Hits it straight and makes a shitload of putts.

That's exactly what he does. So, hats off to him. But, Sleece, we just got back from West Palm Beach, Florida spent three days down there played some golf did some interviews it was an absolute blast we had Justin Thomas yeah Ricky Fowler Matthew wolf correct what a time it was the interviews are great those are coming out here soon but there was some golf played as well yes let's get to this because I'm getting bombarded on Twitter right now like what happened all this stuff so we need to clear the air go through it right now well set set the whole table for him here where were we playing all that

yeah so we're Friday night we're at Justin Thomas's house filming we're gonna play golf on Saturday because we had the day off our interview with Matthew Wolf 1 until Sunday. So we're having a couple pops over at JT's house. Ricky's there. We start talking a little bit, get the match going. It ended up being Justin Thomas and myself versus you and Ricky Fowler. Correct. At Grove 23. Michael Jordan's golf

course. And as you said, I would make a great gym. I know how to pick them. I got to say, I don't know after two days of being down there. I don't know what you're feeding your horses, but they run for you. They run their asses off. I don't know if you're giving them the spurs or the carrot, but the boys are moving. I said I was the fattest

jockey in history. He had a couple of horse to victory. I was looking over at times. I was like, damn, I'm playing pretty good. And we're getting drummed over it. I was like,

you buried the last five, like six? Yeah, I was like, added up at the end. I was like, oh my guy. It was some,

it saw some really good golf though. I mean, I mean, damn. The wind blew 20, 25 miles an hour on, on Saturday. And I mean,

Groves, it's not crazy hard or anything. But Justin Thomas. I mean, he's just, he's so impressive. Goes out and shoots eight under par 64. Like,

and it was just like, News Fest. Looked easy. There wasn't any weird putts or chippins or anything like that. It's incredible. All of a sudden. That kid is clicking right now. I mean, obviously we saw it recently.

He had a chance to win. But, I mean, you got to be looking ahead. If he ain't on your short list, then I don't know who is because we saw it firsthand this week and it looked about as clean as it's going to look. I mean, like you said, 25 mile an hour wind. That's heavy wind down there, too. Chippin, putt, irones look great. I mean, obviously, you don't shoot eight under without everything looking great.

But he was a force to be reckoned with. There's no doubt. And you had Ricky Fowler as a partner who's going through some swing changes right now. Got to go off to a slow start, but then he got hot in the middle. Made a big comeback. He's close, I feel like. I do too. I saw stretches with the driver.

I was like, damn, those are, like, he was really moving, it, really hitting it. I think he hit the best shot that I saw all week. If I had to go through, like, most impressive shot of the week, second day when you were playing with Wolf on 11, the par 5, into the wind, into like a pretty strong win, in 15, 20 miles an hour. Everybody had 270 to the whole back flag into probably playing two, 90, you know, something like that and hit the driver off the deck, like a high cut that landed on the green and then release. Like, you don't see many drivers coming in that soft. But yeah, I mean,

there's no question. Like his game is there. I think it's just a matter of some confidence for Rick, a couple good rounds, a good tournament here or there. Like when we were in the car with him, he was talking about it. Like, I'm not playing that bad dude. I'll just have two or three really bad shots that cost me two shots of p. You know what I mean? It'll cost me six shots right there. Like he's talking about Vegas and some of the wedges and things like that. So it's like, it's not far off. It's just my shots. I'm not getting my, much out of it right now. Yep, for sure.

And this was also my first time to play with Matthew Wolf. We played with him on Saturday, or Sunday down there. He was my partner. I took him, I took him, wrote him to victory once again. You fed him well, too. But, man, it's, you know, his game's interesting to me. Like, he can hit it a little wild. But then he always seems to recover very well.

I mean, he's got so much time. He's still kind of raw, in my opinion. Like, he's going to continue to get better and better and better. Yeah, as he gets refined, you said it best. Like, there's still some shots, like, he had a couple crooked drives or whatever, but you can just see the sound of that ball coming off the face is pretty rare. Like, there's not many guys I can name.

Like, it's got that heavy hit and it's just up and it's fat. And it's a long ways away really quickly. He can hit higher than almost anyone I've seen with the driver at least. And that was the first thing I noticed when I walked onto the range. It was just like, I mean, I'd hit balls with him before and stuff, but I just didn't remember it. But I step out of the cart and he's hitting balls and he just hits this first iron. It's just like, it's just like the balls on that face for a long time.

You know what I mean? It's just coming out of the center, it feels like every time. And some of those drives, even when we'd get into the wind, he'd hit it really high, obviously. And some of these ones were like spinning. I was like, that's not going to be that far. You know, that's spinning. That's going to get eaten. And then it would land. And I'd be like, holy shit.

How does it still flew 293 into one. That's the one thing I thought where Justin was so far ahead of the others, though, is just controlling it into the wind. He can control it in the wind. He can control his flight a little bit. I thought, that's the one thing Wolf kind of needs to work on a little bit is controlling his ball into the wind. Like even on one iron shot, he's like, I like seven here, but I got to hammer it and flight it. And it just kind of went up in the air and got smoked. And I'm like, that's the one thing I feel like he kind of needs to work on.

And that's probably like that's a common thing you and I talk about like on the radio. Like when guys first come out, super talented, they're not. Take Justin Thomas for instance. Perfect example. I feel like when he first came out, it was a lot of full swings with wedges, things like that. And now you look at him. He's one of the best, if not the best for your money. Wedge players changing up his tempo, changing up the flight and trajectory and things like that.

And I think it's just one of those things that probably as he gets a little. older, you know, that gets tightened up. But just watching him hit it, like it's, I mean, I don't know how many guys there are. If Matthew Wolf really went at one as hard as he can, I don't know how many guys out there can put it past them. It's a small number if there's any. But I'll tell you this, playing with those three over those two days made me very happy that I'm sitting behind this microphone.

Oh my God. Same thing. I was like, I know I've been out for a while and I never was really threatening these dudes, but Jesus, I don't care what you do. I could take every performance enhancer in the world. goes to every it's not even they're so good man so good it's it's a joke right now it is uh in grove 23 by the way got to thank them yeah let's talk about that i mean the place is just awesome i mean clubhouse incredible the grill room i mean the ultimate hang out if you want to watch some football

have some cocktails yeah just the whole place is just beautiful it was mj did an unbelievable place for that pro shop if you're a jordan fan you're in heaven you can spend some money and i don't think the shop's going to struggle for business out there but yeah really cool place just to kind of give a rundown looks like there's no trees anywhere on property it's out there it's pretty exposed so the wind blows every day um the clubhouse really modern really like you know kind of new looking but it's not anything massive it's like pretty simple but very clean and there's just not that many people out there but the guys that are out there like you see some duth i mean it's kind of like it's got still up here right like they're kind of all congregate in one area i feel like and you never know who

you're going to see yeah when you walk in out there yeah we're in there having lunch sunday after the round me you justin ricky wolf and justin's girlfriend jill obviously sudden Dustin Johnson strolls up, pulls up a chair. Yeah, normal stuff. Yeah, AJ was going out to play or whatever. I mean, that's where all the dudes hang out, you're like Jordan builds a spot and you get an invite to join there, you're probably going to use it.

And the practice facility is just world class. That's probably why all those, I mean, there's so many good golf courses down there. I think that's probably why most of the guys gravitate was there. A, they can be there and no one's going to bother them. There's no, hey, you're not getting hassled. No one cares because there's a ton of other guys just like that. But the facilities are awesome, double-sided range, a lot of short game. And the greens were for this time of year, I thought,

Yeah, it was great. Very good down there, yeah. So if you ever get a chance to go check out Grove 23, do it. You will like it. But, please, let's get to this week's guest. Very interesting interview. Paul Bissonette, otherwise known as Bizz Nasty, you're spitting chicklets.

It was very entertaining. Yeah, if you've ever listened to Spitting Chicklets, they've got a huge show there, Barstool, talking hockey, you kind of know what you're getting into. And it's so fun having, like, a golfer, and it's kind of like, I don't want to say, like, PC or button. But, you know, they're aware of it. And then you get, like, an NHL guy,

especially on, like, Barstool, where they say whatever the hell. they want like he just lets it rip and lets it fire so it's like a total different interview but dude what it what a stud and uh i mean pretty cool like he made his way just kind of yeah being a tough dude and beating people he's like that's how i needed to get to the league and that's so that's that was my best shot and that's what i did and they are absolutely killing it over it spit and chicklets but like he said at the end he goes dude i just let it go and then y'all can edit it whatever you want at the end yeah so when we got done with it i was like that was really really fun i wonder how much of

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It is absolutely incredible. Go to rockform.com and enter code subpar for 25% off. That's code subpar at R-O-K-F-O-R-M.com for 25% off rockform speakers. All right, here he is. Paul Bissonette, otherwise known as Bizz Nasty on Golf Subpar. All right, we have a very special guest in the house today. NHL veteran, host of the Spit and Chicklets podcast on Barstool Sports. Colt, safe to say, arguably, the toughest bastard we've ever had in studio here.

Paul, Biznasty, Bissonette. What's up, my brother? What's going on? I like the podcast because they pump your tires at the start. They do. Yeah, I feel like you kind of have to. Very uplifting. We got to go hard at the beginning.

You know what I mean? We've got to bring a guy in. Love it. But it is true. You guys are killing us. over at spit and chicklets. It's really cool to see. It's been fun. I mean, Ryan and R.A. did a good job off the start and then grabbing Mikey, the producer, to improve sound quality and all the technical stuff and growing the social media.

And then after I'd established myself as far as media with the coyotes, after my first year, when they'd been eliminated in the regular season, I was like, you know what, let's jump on this thing full time. And it's been awesome. It's been life-changing. I'm very grateful that I did it. And, you know, I'd never thought that I'd, I never thought that I'd find something to be more passionate about my, my NHL career. Yeah. And it's, it's probably surpassed that at this point. I was going to ask, because, like, a lot of athletes, obviously, when their career is coming to an end and their sport, they don't know what the hell they're going to do. Did you always kind of plan on going into, like, the media, TV, radio kind of thing?

So once the Twitter had exploded a little bit, and that's a shout out to Scotty Upshaw, who convinced me to get on it. I was very, I was very anti- Twitter when I, because, you know, everyone, at first, everyone thought it was just, like, to update people as to what you were going to do. Like, hey, heading here, heading there. And then once I realize that you were able to show your personality on it, and then it blew up, given the fact that I was playing in Arizona, and they were pretty loose. Like, if I was playing in a big market, I wouldn't have been able to tweet the stuff

I was tweeting. So then it just gained a big following. And I think that ultimately I knew that I would go in that direction. I didn't know that, I didn't even know what podcasts were when I started it. But ultimately it drove me down this, this road. And, yeah, it's great. one thing it does is it provides you that that locker room presence again where I didn't play much I was kind of the guy who filled up water bottles stuck stuck up for his teammate I was I was a healthy

scratch more games with the coyotes than I played and just being back with that in that locker room feel with that camaraderie and interviewing guys and bantering is is kind of filled that void how did it come to be with Barstle like so you got out of you were you're big on Twitter and doing all that stuff but how the opportunity with with Barstool come along to do like Spint Chiquelts with Whitney. Well, they were already with them. I believe Barstool picked them up after they'd done probably 15, 20 podcasts. And just at the time, they had that infrastructure set up, and they were on the

uprise. And from when I joined to now, I think they just moved into that New York studio when I joined with Barstool. And now they, within, I think, two years, they had to move that even bigger building. And it's turned into a juggernaut. So I'm really grateful at the fact that they had a sales team in place. They had a formula in order to grow the social in order to, you know, basically direct more listeners to our podcast. And it's treated a lot like a business.

I mean, we try to have as much fun as possible. But behind the scenes, there was a lot of work to be done. And definitely grateful that we were with Barstool in order to help with all that stuff. Yeah, they've absolutely exploded. And y'all have done now 298 episodes of Spin Chicklets. That's insane. Congrats. I think we're on like 35.

Yeah, we're on 30 something. We're right behind you. But at what point did you know, like, hey, this is turning into something. really big. So I believe before I joined, they were averaging between 50 and 75,000 listeners and they had a predominantly New England listenership.

Is that a word? Yeah, close enough. Yeah. Sometimes the brain clicks out. That's from all the concussions. But I had a strong Canadian following. So once I hopped on and in the time I hopped on, I was still going through my crazy days where I mean, I think if people follow

the podcast, they've probably heard some of these insane stories. I mean, Shitty Cindy is one of them that I believe Ray Whitney told you to bring up. I got a girl now, so I got to be careful exactly what I divulge. But if you go back to old episodes and listen, we just got really crazy off the hop. And, you know, things as far as politically correctness

have definitely changed a lot over the course of since I've jumped on. And I've kind of altered my line a little bit. But just the explosiveness off the start and how willing I was to tell all these crazy stories, I think is what grew it. And I think before COVID hit, we were getting over half a million downloads. It's an episode.

But, you know, people are very into routine, and we lost some commuters along the way when everything shut down. But I think we're still close to that half a million range. Would you be wanting to do something like in, let's say Barstool didn't exist and you were just on television, breaking down hockey or things like that? Because Barstool, you can do it pretty much you can say whatever you want. Like they're pretty loose with the PC stuff. That's part of the appeal of it, right?

People are sick of and tired of the like super PC. You get on there and tell shitty Cindy stories or whatever you want to do. Would you want to be like in studio breaking down hockey if it wasn't like, you know, the Barstle podcast? Yeah, I don't think I'm a very polished speaker. Well, at least I don't think so. So to go and do that corporate grind where if you say the, you have to be worried about saying the wrong thing. And I mean, Milberry just went through it, right? He said he referred to ladies as distractions, which, you know, I can't say that on NBC. So they actually kicked them out of the bubble. You got pigeon toss. So I don't really want to have to deal with that stress and I want to be who I am.

And I feel that when you have to pertain to that corporate dollar and corporate the business sense, to really stay in your lane, and that's just not me. So the podcast forum was definitely a place that I was grateful for. Yeah, and one of our guests, Jeremy Ronek was on Spit and Chickles. Yeah. And the whole thing happened with him, which we've had him on. He's told the whole story. I mean, it's kind of ridiculous.

He told the story, but like, that's the, your show is the one he got in trouble for. Is that, was that a shock to you? Like, when he said that, were you thinking like, oh, this is going to blow up and he's going to get trouble? Because it was clearly said in jest. So I don't, I don't know how you guys operate when you're podcasting, but I was thinking about the next question.

And I remember him saying it and I made a comment like, whoa, like, you know, you kind of flirt in that line, especially with today's standards. But it wasn't something that made me think of it after we'd recorded. And we always give people the option to edit whatever they want out of the podcast, because we don't want to put guys in a jeopardizing position.

And even just hearing it, I'd assume that he had the relationship, given he went on a three-week vacation with his coworker. And, you know, maybe he made those jokes on the vacation. So when it first came out for like three or four days, there was nothing. And then NBC dropped that statement. And then I was like, oh, no.

And like my heart sank. And it was hard to deal with for at least a couple months. Like I was very emotional about it because you never, I know how much the podcast in my job post career has, you know, you took a lot of focus off. If you don't have anything that you're happy about to do, I understand guys can go down this dark place. And I feel that our podcast jeopardized that and we stripped them of it. of his livelihood essentially. And there was a lot of guilt associated to that. You know, I called him multiple times to apologize, but JR is the man.

And he was like, it's all good. I think that that that relationship was coming to an end anyway. And, you know, I think that it's JR. He'll land on his feet. And I think people appreciate his rawness. Yeah, he's got that R-rated network coming up that he's trying to do. I don't know if you've heard about that, like basically sports broadcasting, but no filter.

No filter. Like the way dudes talk sitting on their couch when they're watching a football game, like bring that, but bring it to the actual broadcast. So you have the option to listen to that. Well, I'll say this. The reason why I love watching NBC with the hockey broadcast is when him and a few other guys were on there, they're going to be a bit controversial. They're going to say some things that necessarily you don't agree with, but they also had that credibility from being in those circumstances, and they do push the envelope. And, you know, I feel just the way it's all going is it's a little stale. And you know what? I think that it's perfect, given the platforms that we have access to, that people who have that type of attitude will now. take their own lanes and then leave the corporate jobs up to people who are willing to just go and fall in line. Yeah. And he did text me. I told you told him you were coming on and he's like, dude, ask him why the hell they deleted that part of the thing? Because I guess y'all went back and

deleted it. He's like, I don't think I did anything wrong. I shouldn't have been fired, but it is what it is. Yeah. I mean, just for the simple fact of I respect JR and I just didn't want any more negative attention going towards him. And even I reached out to Catherine Tap and I didn't hear back from her. But even as a woman in sports media, I can understand where it would be difficult. So that, it was as I said, a couple months of a lot of guilt. And if I ever see her in person, I'll be very apologetic for kind of bringing that negative attention towards her. But in the same breath, like, I'm not going to, I'm not going to really apologize for what JR said. He felt comfortable, and I would imagine jokes like that were flying on the vacation. Yeah, it was clearly a joke,

you know what I mean? There's just so much, there's just no wiggle room right now in that world to say anything even closer. That's what's the hardest part about being in that broadcast world. Colt does it on golf, you know, you know what I mean, on golf? You say, I like listen to these guys because they're going to push the envelope. So on one hand, you're like, you want guys that are entertaining and we'll say some shit during a broadcast that might not be popular. But as soon as they, you know, don't tow that line perfectly and go over, it's like, oh, you're fired. You ever been called in for saying something wrong? I actually don't think I have. But I haven't done it too many times. But it's, but you have to

turn to a different person. I'm thinking about it. Oh, dude, you talk in a way, like you never would talk sitting on the couch. You know what I mean? Yeah, like, I mean, I was, I was an on course reporter in the PGA championship and two of my good friends, Justin Thomas and Jordan Speeth are paired together. and I'm in their group and we're walking down the fairway and they're fucking with me and I'm like mid talking and I'm like God don't say anything dumb this is going to be this I mean it'll be one and done for me like I'll be out of here so fast but it's it is scary like I'm so conscious of that button on my on my backpack like hot mic and I'm just like guy I mean some of those golfers are wild I mean I think Anthony Kim when I was playing here was he would hit up the guy he would he would go to bed at six o'clock and he'd have a seven a seven o'clock tea time he's not scared

There's stories go around about AK everywhere you go. Like, oh, last time he was here, he did this and this and then showed up at this time and then play, you know what I mean? Like in the President's Cup stories and things like that. Like he's the, I don't know who it is in hockey, but he was the guy that like he sent it like a rock star out there. He was the, he was the odd man out. I'll tell you who he, because I'm a big hockey guy. Bugsy would remind you probably of AK. See, there you go.

Say a name like that. Bugsy. There's the hockey equivalent. There's, yeah, they don't really make them like that. Ryan Malone. They're throwbacks. Who's the John Daly on tour now? I mean, I guess Dustin Johnson was a guy who was getting after quite a bit.

Back in his day. I don't think he's afraid. Not anymore. He's got the kids and everything. But he keeps it more hush, hush. Daily's like open about it. It's like, dude, I just went to Vegas. I blew my entire winners check and one night.

You know what I mean? And I'm actually in debt now to MGM. But that's the same thing. Once again, they don't make them like that anymore. No, throwbacks. I mean, it's just they're athletes now and they're focused and boring. Not as fun. Protein shakes.

I just, I couldn't adapt to that life. I was still partying in the off season too much. So my body deteriorated. Well, let's talk a little bit about your hockey career. I mean, you supported your teammates. You were a fighter. At what point in your career did you know, like, that's my role? Like, I'm the guy that's supposed to go in there and fight.

I was somewhat of a decent player growing up. I was actually a defenseman. And as I got to pro hockey, I started my time in the ECHL, had success there. I just could never be the, I guess, reliable enough defenseman at 20 minutes a night at the AHA level to where the final time I was called up to the AHL. writing was on the wall, no pun intended, where they had me listed as fourth line left wing. I'd never played forward in my life, at least at the pro level. And I think I just, I think that I had to adapt and add that to my bag. And I was always willing to do it.

It wouldn't happen as much. But I just, it was like a click that went off where I made an instant decision. When I saw that, I said, hey, let's give this a run. I think that if there's one way that I will get to the NHL, it will be doing that. and I got the shit beat out of me for a couple of years in the American League. I did okay for a guy who wasn't his experience, but all of a sudden

I went from fighting guys who I was playing maybe 20 minutes again every night where you'd have those net front rivalries to where I was fighting the meatheads on the other team. I'd be fighting guys who were taking steroids. And at the AHL level, it came a point in the NHL where they started eliminating the

just one-dimensional goons. So they all got sent down to the American League. So I was stuck fighting these guys. you know, I was getting my nose broken and I was just really out of my league but ultimately I took my licking enough and I was a decent enough player, worked on my skills as a forward

where I ended up carving out a five and a half year NHL career and I'm grateful for it and I give that advice to all these young guys coming up. Don't be stubborn in your role. Just adapt. Do what you can in order. It's a hustle. That's exactly, it's a straight hustle. You've got to find a spot. It's a hustle. How can I get there? I read online that

you used to work with some of your teammates or some of your teammates worked with you when you first started this on like fighting techniques like in practice and what makes a good fighter like you're going into practice and some dudes are going to show you like here's how you wolf ass what are they telling you to do well i'll be the first one to say i wasn't like these heavyweights who would just hang on and all of a sudden they'd be chucking them and punches would be hitting them and they wouldn't care they'd basically going blow for blow i was a little bit more defensive but i'd have to probably credit dennis bombie who was a fighter in wilkes bear with the penguins for teaching me techniques and he was a veteran

who'd played a little bit in the nchl and and then ultimately will this. You've got to be willing to be able to go out there every night. And after you get your ass kicked, most people would be like, I don't want to keep doing this. And as I said, that was a, I think my first year of the American League when I played forward, I played 59 games. I think I got in 29 fights. Wow. So every other night, like my knuckles were, were shot to shit. My head would be aching. Like most days, I'd go put my helmet on and it was like tighter than normal. Because I'd have all these welts on my head. Hey, coach. Yeah. We just actually had Jeremy Yublonski on. He He played for the Binghamton Senators, and they just had this dark, gloomy rink.

You couldn't get away from anyone. He was running around, and I fought him twice to one game, and he Bambied me both times. And it was a... Bambi. I love the hockey terminology. Dude, hockey terminology is the same thing. Well, I looked like Bambi out there after I got hit. I was trying to catch my bearings, but...

They got the best slang, dude, the best. But going back to the hustle, is like I was doing it ultimately in hopes that I would be doing it for a larger paycheck. And that, that ended up working out when I spent... I played 15 games at the Penguins, the 2009 year. And that was the year they won the Cup. And I was up for probably about 25, 30 games. So I got to play with Crosby, with Malkin, and be around these guys. And, you know, that's something I'm going to be able to tell my kids one day.

Yeah, that's cool. If I say the date, October 16th, 2008, does it ring a bell? October, maybe a Calder Cup? First ever fight in the NHL. Do you remember who it is against? 2000 what? It said 2008. Oh, 2008.

It was on the Internet, dude. It's true. It's definitely true. That's definitely true. I heard 2016 in my head. October 16th, 2008. My first NHL fight was it, it wasn't against Matt Bradley. Matt Bradley is correct.

Wow, that brain's still working. Don't worry about it. And that was probably my most successful one. You docked him to the ground, yeah. I knocked him to the ice. I threw a punch. I fell down and I got back up and there was this big opening. And I don't know if he thought the fight was over, but I just threw a punch.

And what was cool about that is playing in Pittsburgh, I think at the time, I mean, the Steelers were good, but they're just so hardcore sports where I knocked them out on the ice. He had to go for repairs. I split his lip open. And at that point, every time I would go out in public, I started getting recognized. So that was kind of like a wow moment for me. And I think that that made enough noise where the next year where I was put on waivers because they did have a couple other tough guys and they had a very strong lineup,

I got picked up. I got three teams put acclaiming for me. And that's actually how I ended up in Arizona. Oh, wow. That's incredible. Go ahead. I just got a question about the, because Colt falls a tons of hockey. I don't fall a ton of hockey, but I'm very intrigued by like the goon and force the roll.

So how does it work? Like, all right, you're the guy that you're going to protect people. You're going to get in fights. You're going to 29 fights and 59 games or whatever. How does it work? Like if you're sitting there and somebody hits a dude on your team that's like off limits, does the coach come up to you and be like, yo, you got to go drop bombs on this guy right now? Or when do you know to go in and just wreck on a dude?

No, if you're fairly one-dimensional and that's your role, if you're willing to, and your spunk wears out, I don't think you're going to last long at that level. So usually I knew exactly when I had to go do it. And I think it was my willingness is what ultimately led me to the NHL. Because guys who have done it a while will tell you eventually they lose that luster. They're just kind of fed up with it. And they're just like, they don't have that natural ability to just like get up and be like, I want to go fuck somebody up.

You know, it's hard to keep that. I'm losing mine, dude. I haven't for a while, but I'm losing it now, bro. You know what I mean? I can only do so many years. Yeah, on the golf course, just a fucking dumbian guy. Colt, dude, I'm getting sick of it. Dude, but I've talked to that with Mike Commodore,

because, I mean, he fought a lot in his career. And he told me towards the end of his career. It was kind of towards the end of Colton Nors as well. And he's like, Colton would come over to me every game. And he's like, let's go. And he's like, damn it, I don't want to. Like, you're just going to kick the shit out of me. Can we please get to do this?

That's a tough role, dude. That's brutal. Commodore was actually making some pretty big paycheck, so he didn't necessarily have to fight towards the end. But, no, coaches never really had to tell me, If anything, when I was here, Tip would usually tell me, you know, you don't need to. We don't need that right now. If you're up a goal, we don't want momentum to be lost.

And there was actually a case here, and you could probably find it on YouTube. I think we were up 3-1 on Philadelphia, and Jay Rose Hill took a run at Shane Donne. And Shane Donne, you know, legendary Phoenix, Arizona Coyote, Jersey and the Rafters. I'm not sure how they even ended up on the ice together, but he was that enforcer for their team. And rightfully so, when your team was down, you were trying to be. trying to do anything to possibly get your team going, which would be draw my attention and get a scrap in his case. So I looked at Tip and I said,

I don't give a fuck that we're up 3-1. He just took a run at the captain. I'm going this guy right now. And we had a very spirited bout. And then they scored for an answer to me last. Oh, God. So there's this massive, you know, mental momentum shift thing that that kind of existed for a while

where like if you had the lead, don't fight no matter what. We don't want to give him any reason to get up and get motivated here. And in that case, I had to go. You could see Shane Donan in the clip. Like, he came over the bench because we ended up ending the fight right by our bench. And he's like, pat me in the bag, he's like, fucking rights. And the whole building's ramped up.

So ultimately it was cool that I stuck up for the captain, but it was suck that after the game. You know, everyone's in the room. Same in Pittsburgh. Like if someone took a run at Sydney, you're like, nope. That's an untouchable. And you just go in. It's immediate. So Eric Goddard, who was a monster, he was the fighter for the penguins, but because they had

Sid and Malkin and all these very valuable young assets and fighting was still somewhat relevant in the game, I think that that's why I was able to make the team at a training camp, which was cool, because I had, I'd ran into some, when I first signed pro, I started drinking a lot. All of a sudden you're this young guy and you get money and you're living on your own, and I was hitting the booze pretty hard. I was chasing like crazy. And I kind of just fell off a little bit. was interested in a lot of the wrong things.

So I had this big falling out with the Penguins because I ended up knocking some dude out in a bar fight where that's why I was sent to the ECHL the second time. Well, I forgot my train of thought there. And I think God, you're a podcast, bro. It happens to me all the time. Yeah, that's where the CTE kicks in. But ultimately, I went for being in the ECHL

to getting called up and them switching my position to the next year at the start of the year, I started the year in the NHL. So I thought my career was potentially over. I didn't know if another team was going to sign me because it was going to be the end of my entry-level deal to where Michel Tarion calls me and he says, hey, you're starting this season. Call your parents. You've made the NHL.

And we actually started the season overseas for the world premiere games in Sweden. And, boys, like my first dose of the NHL, we ended up, I think it was the second night we were there. Hal Gill reached out to Matt Sundy in Sweden. He's like a god. And he was dropping the ceremonial. base off and he says, hey, we're going to this restaurant and there's a bar up top who kind of want to throw like a team camaraderie party just so, you know, get the boys into it. And while we're sitting down for dinner, like, I noticed all these rockets coming into the restaurant. And I'm like,

this is, this is like ridiculous. Sweden's unbelievable. Like, I might even move here in the offseason to train. And, uh, and then all of a sudden, the coaches after dinner get up and say, have a good night boys. And they're kind of like patting guys on the shoulder on the way out. And I could smell something was up. And then we moved upstairs. And all those girls that we're coming in the restaurant. That's where they'd shifted to. So all of a sudden, it's us in about 50 rockets that Matt Sunnina'd line up for all the boys

because Hal Kilteadis up. And I ended up getting my first NHL game in Sweden. And I can get used to this. Oh, man. I was like, I'll fight anybody. Did we play the wrong sport, Colt? Yeah. Did that ever happen to you?

I don't know if you know. If you can't notice, I'm not really built for hockey. Okay, yeah, yeah, you're right. I'm just going to stick to what I'm good at. You were like the little short, stumpy guy in blades of steel. Yeah. Yeah. You got to pick.

your players. So maybe you could have made it. No, I'm good. I'll stick with golf. How often that happened? You said you knocked the dude out in the bar fight. How often, like, you're known as the enforcer guy where you go out in Pittsburgh, Phoenix, wherever it was. Did people ever try to like, oh, there's a dude. I'm going to go, I'm going to go check him. Yeah. As I grew up, that kind of left me. I think that the stupidity of it and how young you are and you're just caught up in that lifestyle. And yeah, when you go out in public, even when you're in the American League, you're in

this small town where, yeah, certain guys will challenge you. And eventually you just, you grow up similar to like all these crazy sex stories that I had early on like I was just you know fighting and chasing and drinking and then you get to a certain age and you look back and you're like how you know that was a different person yeah I love it but you mentioned the locker room talk earlier and stuff and I know you hockey guys I love to play full pranks on each other and stuff you obviously have a long season together any good ones that come to mind I was not a good prankster but there was plenty of good ones the old school ones were insane of guys putting guys cars on blocks um I think it was actually here Shane Done was

one of the guys had, you know the stuff when you used to, if you stole money, there was like, if you touched it, it would turn your hands purple. Instead of the one that exploded, there was a different version of it. And one of the guys on the team had put that in all the guys' gear. I've heard that. We heard that from a base, was it Cody Ross? No, I thought Ray Whitney told us that. Oh, maybe it was Whitney.

Yeah, it might have been Ray Whitney. So all of a sudden the guys get on the ice and they start sweating and then everybody on the ice is purple. Turns purple, yeah. And it was a bit of a nightmare for Stan Wilson, who's been the trainer. here for I think 2,000 or 2,500 games, like long-time trainer. And the team had to buy everybody new gear because everybody was purple. Another good one was Brad May used to go get guys keys to their car, take down the sunroof, and then fill the entire car up with popcorn.

That was left over from the last game. And a couple of guys had had new vehicles, so all this buttery popcorn just coating these brand new leather seats. And yeah, I would have been pissed. when my co-host Ryan Whitney. So there could be some confusion for the listeners right now. When we threw out Whitney, yeah. I played with Ray Whitney, who played 20 years Superstar Forward.

My co-host is Ryan Whitney, who was a very established defenseman in the NHL. So he was telling stories of, like, Chris LaTang used to get it pretty bad. And he used to get new Dior dress shoes, and they would nail them to the floor. So he'd go to pick them up. Oh, God. Perfect. So every week he was getting his suit mess. list where they sew the pockets closed and he couldn't get his car keys. So tons of

tons of crazy pranks. Yeah. I saw one of your old teammates did it to you up in Pittsburgh. It was during the HBO special. He went and cut your laces right before the game. That was Matt Cook. And then they put bubble gum. Yep. In the gloves. Double bubble at the end of the glove where it's so thin up there. You can't really get it out. So I was almost late for practice. That would have been a big fine. So thankfully I got out there in time. Cutting the laces seems like that seems like out of balance. Like now I'm not, now I got to relays these whole things. I'm going to be late. Yeah, paining the ass. All that shit. I'd rather that than them ruining my leather seats in my car with a buttery popcorn. Yeah. Well, let's talk a little bit about your golf because I know you enjoy playing.

And some people might call you a sandbagger from things I saw on the internet. I mean, this is golf subpar. What's the index right now? Do you want to clarify that you're not a sandbagger? I'm not a sandbagger. I'm not a very good golfer. I can put some holes together where I'll get the birdie every now and then. I'll probably get like one birdie around, you know, three or four pars, but there'll be, there'll be some holes where I have meltdowns. So the backstory to it is we have this content piece we call the Sandbagger Invitational, and now we've created it into this series. And originally, we were going to Halifax to interview Crosby and Nathan McKinnon.

That was going to be the biggest get that our podcast had ever gotten, two of the league's biggest superstars. And they're fairly private. And I'm, um, hey, we're going to do an interview. And then we'll even go after, we'll go golfing after and we'll bring the cameras. And you could tell Sid was like, he didn't want to tell me no, but it wasn't happening. So I'm like, okay, fine, we'll just go golfing. And then they agreed to that.

So then I roped them in where I brought the camera around and we were going to have a golf match where we gave our handicaps. Well, it was a wet course, so we teed up a lot closer than usual. So I gave my handicap based on like we were playing farther back. And I had the front nine of my life. So Nathan McKinnon and Crosby being very competitive, Nathan McKinnon and Morseau was like, this guy's a sandbagger. He was genuinely pissed.

So I'm like, okay, we're going to call this the sandbagger invitational. So we ended up beating him. They had to take us out for dinner and a few nice bottles of wine. And ultimately, the entire internet thinks I'm a sandbagger now because I had the front nine of my life. So I watched that. And I've actually played that golf course and been out in downtown Halifax. And I know Crosby is an absolute God there.

God. Okay. So tell me a little about, y'all won. You got a free night out. Tell me about a night out with Sidney Crosby. in downtown Halifax. You know, he's got his boys that he grew up with. He's a very reserved calm guy.

You know, I think he's got that team around him when he does go out there, which is not very often. He doesn't party a ton because when he does, people are, you know, it's like the paparazzi are out. But I will say the night we went out, it was great. I forget the bars that we went to his buddy has one. He's going to scald me now for not remembering the name. But, you know, he had about eight to ten buddies who came out,

and I think they protect him. They keep him in certain areas and really look. out for his best interest. And yeah, it's like hanging out with a celebrity. It's kind of like you're watching the documentary with Jordan, where you're going around with one of the biggest icons in the sport, a guy who carries himself, you know, he doesn't, he's flawless. He doesn't make mistakes. I couldn't, I couldn't imagine balancing what he has and the popularity and being able to probably get away with whatever you want. Those other guys are around to bury the bodies, I'd imagine. If they had to. Some fall guys. You've got to have a couple fall guys.

Yeah, and he's got eight of them. He's got the big entourage. But even with Nate now, who came on the scene, and it was a very cool experience. It was good to see him lighten up because he's always been, you know what he, you know what he was like? He was like Tiger Woods when he came into the golf world. Yeah. Tiger Woods is a completely different guy now from what he gives the media.

And I think that's, but with now saying that, the media in the way they are, I feel like they'll take anything and they'll twist it. And you saw that with a Jordan documentary. So I understand why these guys lived the way they do. And I think that ultimately Crosby has handled his business the way he had to. Is Nate McKinnon the one, Wyndham Clark? We got a buddy on tour comes on the show. Wyndham Clark.

He's like man crush city on Nate McKinnon. It's big, like admitted like open. It's, it's fucking insane. Him and McDavid are one and two in the NHL. And the way that they're able to move so fast out there with their head up and control the puck as fast as their feet are moving, it doesn't make sense. It's an anomaly. It's something that the hockey world has never seen.

Are they going to break Gretzky's records? No, because overall the competition everywhere has gotten so good. Everybody's training. The goalies have gotten far better. Team structure. Everybody's watching video. The overall game has improved and scoring has gone down as a result. But to watch those two guys specifically on the ice night in a night out,

it's like going to like the ballet, man. They are so much better than everybody else on the ice And it's, it'd probably be like watching Jordan in his heyday or LeBron, I guess, now. That's cool. Oh, one more last thing about Sidney Crosby. I played golf with him a few times. Talk about some speed. He can smash him.

Does he smoke it like all hockey players? All hockey dudes hit it somewhat far. How about his quads? Dude, it's ridiculous. Bigger than mine? Yeah, just a little bit. I believe it when I see it. I'll have to see it up close.

The last time the NHO had their lockout, like 20 of the guys came to Dallas. They trained, and I was living in Dallas at the time. They had me take them to play golf every day. They would work out in the morning. We'd golf, then go out. I would sleep while they worked out, and then we'd go back off. All those. You didn't get it on those workouts, dude?

Nah. Oh, that's weird. All those rich guys had a nice little tour going. I think they stopped here. They went to Dallas and they went to, I think Vail was another stop that they had. And they had this crew. Actually, I forget who it was, Stanley Cup champion with Detroit. It wasn't Brad May, but either way, one of the guys.

You remember how they had the fake. ice at the W. Scottsdale over the pool. Well, he went and grabbed his skates up in the room and he puts him on and he goes out on the ice and he's acting like a bender like he can barely stand up and like civilians are giving him tips on how to skate, not knowing that this guy's a three-time Stanley Cup champion. I think it was Dan Cleary actually who was doing it. And all the boys are just crippled, you know, having a good chuckle at him fucking around with everybody. I love it. What's your level of celebrity like when you go out in like Canada, let's say? Are people recognizing you? Can you go out and not get hassled?

Yeah, I mean, it's, yeah, I would say just because of the podcast and the post career, it's definitely popped off. But everybody's really respectful. I mean, Canadians are pretty laid back. You know, even even going in Boston, everybody's really respectful. I think, I think because of a podcast for him and it's not like being an actor or like an athlete that you never hear of, most people who probably come up to you guys, they feel like they know you. Yeah, they're just like, they know you because they're like, this is just a dude being himself. Yeah, like he's not playing a role in a movie. Yeah, we're just down to earth dude. So it's something. Sometimes when you're having rough days and you're in your own head about whatever it is or you're stressed out about whatever it is, it's hard because you want their experience to be, you know, a pleasant one and you want them to go, you don't want them to be like, oh man, that guy was a fucking asshole. But yeah, it's it's grown since the podcast and the post career. But as I said, I'm grateful for it. I understand that comes with it. And, you know, we're just humans and I'll interact with anyone. I love that.

Especially if I'm on the weed. If I'm on the weed, usually it's the person coming up being like. Like, all right, dude, like, I got to go. And it's like, no, talk to me. I just wanted to say hi and get a quick picture, weirdo. I love it. Filing a restraining order on me. Yo, can you tell the story?

Because I read about it, and I thought it was one of the great taunts that I've read about online. When you were playing in the ECHL, East Coast Hockey League, and you got a suspension. I think it's for one game, but it was for a pregame taunting. You may have been wearing something during a warm up. Do you remember that? Yeah, I was an idiot, as I mentioned, drinking a lot, living this crazy lifestyle. And I was, you know, I had a chip to my game. And I said I would fight about five.

to 10 times a year. In the ECHL, it was an all-star, so I was more focused on playing, but Redding, who was our rival, had this, this Hebert, was his last name. And he was just taking runs at me, and we played them quite a bit. So we were playing them in back-to-back games, and in Redding, he kept running me. So I said, all right, let's go. And I, and I just dummied him. And I think on the way down, he ended up hurting his shoulder, too. So the next night, we had him at home, and we used to have this belt of the game that we would give out as MVP. So I said, I told the trainer, I said, put it on the bench for warm up. So we go for warm up.

I do a couple laps. I go grab the belt off the bench and I stretch it center ice with it. And I said, anybody else want a fucking piece? So their coach sends the game tape in and I ended up getting suspended for a game. And I had to, I got a $150 fine. Oh, that stinks, dude. That's a couple pops later that night. Good thing I was on an HL deal.

But still, $150 back then. It's a kick in the nuts because that is a night with the boys. And I had to send in a cashier's check before the next game in order to What's the rule that you violated? You can't wear a belt on the ice before a game? I mean, what's the problem? I don't know. There was no written rule.

I guess they had to make one after that. The biz nasty rule. Yeah. You can't taunt a dude. You just dummy two times in two games. I got a game suspension, $150 fine for being a d-a-a-and-emarrassing the game. Oh, I love it. I read that.

I was like, that's great. Yeah. Did he come back for round three after that or no? No. I don't think I don't think I ever saw. him again. I don't know if he was playing with the team anymore. Fair enough. You get dummy twice.

Well, Biz, one thing that always tends to happen with our guest is, and I don't even know how it comes up, but they always have a great shit your, shitting your pants story. Oh, we're a big poop your pants podcast. So I'm going to ask you for your favorite one because I know my favorite of yours from some research, but I want to hear what you got. Well, if you're referring to shitty Cindy, that wasn't. No, it wasn't. No, no, it's not.

Okay. I, I, the, what a name. There's a lot of shit stories. the first time I remember shit in my pants and really battling through it was when I had a paper route. This is it. Yeah. Yeah, there we go. Now we're talking. So, you know, one thing

about my parents is, and looking back, I really appreciate, they wanted me to learn the value of a dollar and how to get up in the morning. And I think at 11 years old was when I started my paper route, but somebody had already had the route that was around our houses. So I had to drive my bike at least a couple miles to get to where my route was.

And on the way there, I thought I had what was a fart and I kind of lean over and I fart and I end up shit in my pants. But I will say is I finished my entire route with shit in my drawers. Because I didn't want to drive my bike all the way back and explain to my mom how I had to leave again to go deliver my papers. But the dumbest the dumbest thing about all of this was is when I got home instead of just throwing out the underwear, I hid them at the bottom of the hamper assuming that my mom would just throw them in the washer. but it had stunk up the launch.

You don't say. That's how stupid I was. You could have just thrown them into the bushes or something on the way home I would have thought. Guys, it was, I panicked, all right? I fucking panic. You got dump in your drawers, dude. Guys make irrational decisions. I love it.

And it's in a paper route on a bike, dude. You're a kid. You can't like, hey, pull over at the next gas station. You can't go into a house. You're flipping a paper. I beg, excuse me, Ms. Jones. Could I use your restroom, please? I'm about to defecate myself.

I think that, When you're at a young age, sometimes you do things where you're just, you can't think, think rationally. And I panicked. I did, but I did the whole route. I battled through it. It was just the hamper thing, man. I'm looking back.

I've done a lot of dumb things. What mama say when she found them things at the bottom? Paul? Well, she said, what is this? Just throw these out, man. That's a quick, that's a quick fix there. All right. Should we get to E9?

I'm loving these stories, but yeah, I feel like let's get to E9. All right. We do this with every guest, nine fun questions. I just a little bit better. I feel like we know you really well, though, already. I'm at open book, boys. Movie being made about the life of Biz Nasty. You get to pick who plays you.

Who do you want? Well, if we could go back in time... McLevin. Robert De Niro. People say I look like a young Robert De Niro because I'm a huge snout. Now, there are pictures. But if I had to pick somebody more recent?

No, it can be anybody. It's your movie. You can have anyone. We pick for you as well. Yeah, I got a guy for you. I'm interested to hear what you guys picked. Well, I googled badass actors or tough guy actors. Colt just Googled like tough dudes.

And I decided, I kind of thought this before, but I went with Jason Statham. Statham. Yes. He's a badass. He's a badass. He's a bad ass. He's a tough, dude. He has more hair than he does.

He can body some people. He's in a lot of Guy Ritchie movies. Yeah. I love his stuff. I actually, I would probably pick the guy in the Punisher. Something. Oh, yeah. What's that dude's name?

Josh Rosenthal. Is it Josh? I know what you're talking about? He's got a awful name. Awful nose too. Yeah, yeah. That's actually a good nose. That's actually a really, you kind of like legit look like that, dude.

Yeah, that's actually. Did I beat your answer? I had you, well, you might like mine. Tom Hardy. Girls like him. You know what Tom Hardy is? He was Bain and Batman. With the mask, he's a monster.

He is a list. Yeah, that's a tough one to talk. I don't just throw these around like hot cakes, dude. I really put some thought into this. I pick him because I think him in that, like the elitist crew, like Brad Pitt and Leo all hang out together. so maybe there'd be a chance that I'd, you know, he's the alpha wherever he's hanging out.

Tummy sticks has been said. You watch Peekebliners? I have never seen that. Oh, dude, he's a badass in that. There's only one role he can, you can't make him be like the little bitch. You know, he's only can play one role.

He's got to be the toughest dude in the movie. There was just one that came out and it bombed. I believe it was the Capone movie. Or maybe it's a TV show. Oh, maybe TV. And I was surprised to hear that. It was the real long one on Netflix, right? Yes.

And somebody said, It sucked? R.A. My co-host was Spitting Chicklets, Rear Admiral, which is another great nickname for you. But he, you know, he's a big Tom Hardy guy and he said that it wasn't very good.

He said it was unwatchable. That's surprising for Tommy Boy. Right. He puts out heat. What's rear admiral? Because I know that's the guy you host with Spitting Chicklets. What is that name from? That's not a real name.

He got, I think he got it in college for examples, you know, rear, rear Admiral. I think he used to like it in the brown. Okay. go. All right, that makes sense.

He's a good dynamic to the podcast because he's that blue collar fan that, you know, he's seen some shit. He's got some crazy stories of sneaking into places and, you know, ending up in, like, they did a Rolling Stones. I think they were like in the People's Magazine or something and he snuck into the show or he bought a ticket to the upper bowl and ended up sneaking down to front row. And then they snapped a picture. And then his wife went and bought the magazine just like unexpectedly and was like, hey, the Rolling Stones were in it. And then he was open. He's like, I think I was at this show. And then lo and behold, he's in one of the pictures in the magazine.

So he's kind of the Forrest Gump of sneaking into events. And he's been to like four cup celebrations. Really? He's gotten into the locker room when guys are celebrating with the cup. I think he's got a picture with Darren McCarty like this. Like everyone's having beers and cigars after they went. What hell's this guy? Yeah.

He's there, dude. Do you want to drink out of the cup? He was the guy who was sneaking into all these festivals before it became popular. Rear Admiral. What a name. I love it. All right. All right, Colt, go.

Number two. There's another podcast at Barstool, golf podcast, four play. Yeah. Okay. Golf match between four play guys and spit and chicklet guys. Who gets the W? Because they're not very good at golf over there. Yeah, they got a not like that, by the way.

So they got to have high handicaps. Riggs is like a nine. I think he's the best. I think eventually we'll do a sandbagger with the four play guys. And there's a bit of a rift between Witt and Riggs, given they were supposed to play heads up. And then Witt couldn't do it because he qualified for a USA,

USGA 2 ball event. And I think it got a little bit heated to where, I don't know if it's going to go down, but I think eventually it would be nice to team up with those guys. And I think they've done a wonderful job of going the game and doing so in their own unique way. I mean, you know, credit to them, Riggs works his balls off. Yeah, he does.

He's everywhere. Those guys are everywhere. Everywhere. And same with Borelli. Trent is the other guy. And who, is there one more that I'm forgetting? Yeah, I can't remember his name, though. Trent, the bigger dude.

Frank Ian. But I feel like there. There was a little bit of a, I think it's a bit of a fun riff, but it got a little bit serious there because they were on Barstool Radio going back. Well, Riggs cannot beat Ryan with me. If Witt made it to the USGA four ball, there ain't no chance. No. That's a dirt nap.

No. I think that Riggs was going to get some strokes. For sure. Yeah, he'd have to, dude. Because if you're making the USAA four ball, that's like legit good players. I don't know who the best two guys out of the four play podcast are at golf, but I would like the challenge. Yeah, make that up.

I think that'd be fun. If you need another couple to join in. You could host us. Oh, well, commentate. Oh, well, hey, maybe when we'll come to Arizona and we'll do a sandbagger with you guys. Sounds amazing. Yeah, we want to do a bunch of them. That's why we created it into this thing.

We just did one with Yandel, Keith Yandel and Kevin Hayes, who I played with Keith Yandel here. Man, this guy was like the funniest guy in the locker room. Nobody, nobody knew because he was a legitimate defenseman and he wasn't being a clown all the time in the media. But as far as top, definitely top three funniest guys I've ever played. with. I love that. Beautiful. All right. Next one. Who was the one guy you played against who you wanted to fight? I don't want to say like you were scared to fight, but like guy that you saw him, you're like, ah, I hope that doesn't happen tonight. Ah, God rest his soul, Derek Bougard. You know, he ended up passing away, very unfortunate, but he was, you know, they nicknamed him

the boogeyman for a reason. And we just had Todd Fedorick on our podcast, who was a legitimate NHL heavyweight, and he told the story about the time he fought Derek Bougar. And, But Bougard, he punched properly and he was so big that he could punch from the hip. So he would kind of punch up a little bit. And it was odd because like most guys are going lateral. If anything, if you're a big guy, you're punching down. But he cocked back and he got Fridge, Todd Fedorri, that's his nickname. He got him right in the face and he broke his face.

It caved his orbital bone. And his profile picture on social media is the picture of the x-ray. And he was just so feared. he was so big and strong and he just punched so lethal when he punched he punched to end your life and fortunately for todd fedorick it didn't but he you know it changed his career and i think he was really never the same after that and he's got you know plates in his face they had to reconstruct it uh but he was he was he was in the nchal when i first started uh as we mentioned he passed away um but another guy was probably colt nor yeah who played for uh you mentioned him right i mentioned him rather comodore yeah

There's certain guys that are just, they're just so scary because they're willing to stand in there and they punch with so much velocity that it made my pregame nap very uncomfortable where most of the time I wouldn't be able to sleep, knowing that there was a potential that he would be in the lineup and, of course, that I would, because I told you about how half the time I was a healthy scratch, so I wouldn't know if I was in the lineup some nights before I got to the rink. And days where we were playing his teams and I was a healthy scratch, it was more of a relief than anything. And I have no problem admitting that I was, you know, I was fearful of those guys. They were scary, scary guys.

There's just a different screw loose in some of those dudes, I feel like. But what's crazy about it, we interviewed Coltonor for the Spitt and Chickens podcast, and these guys off the ice are the nicest guys in the world. They wouldn't harm a fly. So it's hard, you know, some of these guys have to live with it now. They had to put this mask on and be these scary individuals for a long part. And we also touched on earlier how eventually that, natural ability to like force yourself to get up to do that and harm other people i think it does

fizzle off and part of that might be because of the pain you're inflicting others yeah you're the same way i mean you would never if you just sat down and talked to you and like oh this is a guy that used to just break people's faces every night we're gonna we're gonna throw two golfers in a hockey fight two that are rather rather large for golf bryson de chambo and brooks kebka but they're on they have to be on skates who do you think could who do you think would win this little Tustle? Unpopular answer. I'd see Deschambeau probably because he would spend enough time

and look at the science of it to figure out how to balance himself on skates. But I love that that rivalry and that joshing back and forth. These guys hate each other, right? Is that pretty safe to say? They throw jabs. They throw jabs. They don't know if like hate, but yeah, they like to stoke the fire a little bit. I think golf needs that.

I agree. I think it's great for it. I don't, Kepka. At first you kind of rub me the wrong way because when he started winning, he started getting very lippy, but I, before I open my mouth, I usually ask other guys. And Witt said the few times he has, he's brought up good points. Like, guys playing slow. Now, I play slow.

So I, sometimes I'll stand over the ball for like 30 seconds where I'm nervous and I'm like, you know, because you got to make sure your feet are good. Or, you know, what am I doing with my hips here? What's going to happen? So I'm an absolute mental midget on the golf course. I love it. So I can, I can, you know. You give them the pass on the slow play.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, and then other cases, but he's, you know, he's, he's great for golf too, and he brings it in the big championships. But I was happy to see Bryson D. Chambal win that U.S. Open. Is that what it is? All right. It doesn't have to be all out hate.

Just like, let's get a little rivalry because, like, we want it. But everybody's such good friends now on the PJ Tour. Like, they wait for each other. Yeah, we call it tummy sticks. You know, it's like the guys in warm up, like hitting each other's shin pads. Like, what's going on, buddy? It's just like, no, none of that shit. I want the rivalries.

Yeah, some real hate. It's like Tiger when he plays. played man he wouldn't he wouldn't even say hi to guys we weren't even a fair rivalry though there was no one that was good enough they kept trying to make rival as soon as somebody wanted term like oh there's the next guy challenge tiger it never happened yeah he went through 12 rivals they're like oh what you do a post match you can crush my old lady yeah whatever you want to hang out ultimate tummy sticks yeah exactly all right next question what's proven harder for you to do in your life score a goal in the nchel or get through an ad read on your podcast without butchering it well i

wasn't very good at either i i heard you have a tough time with the ad I don't know if it's like dyslexia or whatever it is. I just look at the page and I feel like the number, the words, there you go. That's probably, I think they're numbers. All right, that explains it. I feel like the words are jumping around on the page and, you know, and then the anxiety builds up. So reading was never my forte, at least doing it aloud.

Oh, love it. Yeah, it's different. We do them on the radio all the time and we just stare at each other while we read them, just waiting for one person to butcher it and then we just laugh at them. It's different, dude. Reading under pressure is tough. Very, very tough. And some of these news anchors, they read the teleprompter and they just do it so naturally, it's amazing to me.

Yeah, it's a skill. It's a gift. All right. I know you just met the sleaze. Okay, he's obviously an incredible athlete. Check me out if you want. Look at you. Check out the build.

Did you play pro golf as well? Correct on a low level. You know, what's the ECHL? That where you played out? I did a lot of that. Consider me an ECHL fucking legend, bro. Did you win a bunch on that tour? Countless, bro.

That's awesome. They're right. Just can't. Just can't Google. around the Midwest, the Midwest jickey jacks, dude. I had a run there like you wouldn't believe. I was, some of my best experiences.

I'm very grateful for playing in those lower leagues because that's where all the fun shit happens. It's so fun. Dude, it's different world. I mean, you don't make anything. You can barely survive.

But in terms of like just straight fun, I mean, it's tough to beat. Like we're guys just like ripping lines every night. Oh, dude, you make a $10,000 winner's check. You might as well have just hit the power ball. And it's like,

all my guys are taking care of tonight. We're going to go send it. We're going to spend 60% of this check tonight. All that stuff. of drug abuse on tour? You know, Fifth Amendment type deal. I plead the fifth if, you know, like my guy Chris Rock, but there's, you know, let's just say there's no testing out there.

So there's some people that will be a little bit liberal with the intake. Fair enough. All right, well, let's get to the question. Okay, yeah. I'm starting to sweat like this. This bet has been three years in the making and it has not happened yet. It's going to happen. Ray Whitney has challenged the sleighs to two things.

He's never been on skates. Not one time. Correction when I was like eight or nine, we had a late. Yeah, I'm not on skates. Slees thinks he can stand on the blue line on skates and fly a puck into the net. 50 pucks. He has to fly one all the way into the net. In the air.

He's never been on skates, never hit a puck. Far blue line. No, no. No, no. The closest one, dude. So the same zone. So all you have to do is elevate it with a shot and it has to stay in the air as it has to hit the net in the air.

One out of 50. I think you could do that. You're the first person. That is my guy. This is the guy, dude. Well, that's why I asked far blue line. Then there would definitely be a question. Far blue line, zero point zero.

Yeah. Near blue line, dude, I'll figure out. I don't know if he can stand up on skates. What, dude, look at me, bud. I mean, if you're, if you're allowed to pick any type of curve that you want, I think 100% you can do it. I'll try a couple slapies. I would even put money on it against Ray Whitney if he doesn't believe you can do it.

Well, we're going to do it. We're going to video the whole thing. So you'll be abreast of what happens. I'm going to throw lasers at that thing. And the other thing, the other thing Ray claims is that he can get the full length of ice to pick up as much speed as he wants. and Ray will stand at the other end, and he said he won't move me an inch. Full speed I get as much.

Not me, he won't move Ray. I'm not involved in this. Ray can't move an inch, he says. No, I agree that you wouldn't be able to move him. As in like, you're taking a run out. What if I just launch my, what if I'm skating 20 miles and out, which I got speed, dude.

Look at the legs. They're built for speed. And I just launch myself at Ray Whitney. You don't think I can make him budge. No, he'll know how to find his edge of where you're coming from. And that's one thing about Ray. I mean, he was, he was an undersized guy, and he was one of the guys that,

paved the way for these smaller guys of today. Like, people don't understand when Ray Whitney broke in, there weren't many small guys. I think he would say that Theo Fleury was probably the guy, the smaller guy, and the way he played. Ray wasn't as, like, as crazy of a player and as, you know, running around, fucking hammering guys and yapping.

But he, yeah, he could take the abuse and he found a way. I think he had over 1,100 points in the NHL. So Ray is... He played for like three decades. Well, you should have a lot of points. 23 seasons. It was his off-ice habits, though, as far as his diet's concern and the way he worked out in the gym. Ray Whitney was a true professional, and I'm happy I got to play with him in an unbelievable storyteller.

One of the most fun guys you can ever play golf with. Did he come on this podcast? Not yet. He's been out of time. I have been begging him to come on spit and chicklets because he also played in all these different eras with all these different teams where he played with a bunch of Hall of Famers. He could probably come on for a three-hour podcast, and every story would be banger after bang. Yeah, he's got it. And he made up for his lack of yapping in the NFL in the golf course because you get him out there and he doesn't shut his.

And he's nice. He's a legit, what? Plus one. Yeah, he's good golf. He's good. Ask him about his pregame ritual in playoffs before he. I think it was the year they won the cup and then he even did it when he was in Arizona the year we went on our run. And that's all I'm going to say.

He had a pregame ritual before he left the house. All right. We'll save that. He actually caddied for me in my last tour event. He was shit in his pants, not like the paper. out, but pretty comparable. He was nervous. He was nervous. Oh, really?

Yeah. He also butchered Graham. He caddy for Graham to lead at the Olympics, the Canadian, and he messed up and forgot the yardage book, and I just sprint back like 300 yards on the first hole and get the yardage book. But he's an athlete. So he's old for two in the county. But he can handle it. So yeah, he did great for me.

He was just nervous. Don't ever out. Yeah, he's got that nervous energy. All right. Is it my turn? Yep. All right. Next question.

Basic one. Favorite NHHL city to party in after a game? Chicago was really good to us. It would be where our road trips would, take us and we would be there for a couple days. So we could really get after it when you'd have two days before the next game. Chicago was where we had my first rookie party and actually where my good friend Taylor Piot, who lives in town here, ended up meeting his future wife at one of the places we ended up going. Nashville was great because we had a lot of older guys my

first couple years where they were professionals. They wouldn't drink as much as us younger guys. but Nashville seemed to be the place that everybody would go out and we would go out as a full team. Even donor would be out and maybe even have a couple pops if we were lucky and you had the live music. And, you know, I just, I really embraced the city of Nashville. It was a blast. As far as like getting after it, getting after it,

I would say L.A. was top notch. If you went up to Vancouver, though, Vancouver or Toronto, if you went there as a hockey player and didn't get laid, you might as well if you were looking for it you might as well saw your dick off and handed in

it didn't matter I think you're going to get to every city at some point yeah yeah yeah what else Dallas I did pretty good there Tampa's pretty good

if I could pick one though I would say going to Vancouver was always awesome and that's probably why I ended up spending my summers there at one point towards the end of my career

I started going there every summer to train and Vancouver's incredible and crush all right this one's in perfect to this is one's kind of tough

Okay, two of your buddies, Ryan Whitney, and the rear, Admiral, are drowning in the ocean. You only got one life jacket to save one of them. Who's it going to get thrown to? This could cause some dissension. Well, R.A. can't swim. We just did a boating excursion and he went in the water and Donnie does have to save him. So I would imagine Witt would have the best chance to survive without one. So I probably have to give it to rear.

And that's nothing against Witt. I'm saying there's no way we're surviving without a life jacket. All right, perfect. But if we're talking from a monetary standpoint, I mean, I think Witt is the great storyteller of our podcast. And he's, I think he's, we need him. He's more valuable to the show. He's the, he's the, we call him the, uh, uh, what's his, her name. Whitney.

Whitney, uh, Whitney Houston. Oh, Whitney Houston. Because he's the, because he's the, because he's the, because he's the diva of the podcast. We got to make sure we got to make sure Witt's happy, Witt, everything good, just show up and tell the stories and we're good.

We'll do all the rest. He's like Mariah. You got to have that bubble bath before. He's got a rider list this long. Yeah, I need Fiji water, but from Fiji. I'm not talking about it in. Fly it in.

All right, last one, dude. You just touched on it, so this is perfect. You got a nice track record with the ladies, okay? Very well documented. If you could take a run at one current celebrity,

who would it be? Yeah, think about this, dude. If my girlfriend listens to this, she's got to be happy that I haven't given it any type of thought as of late. It used to be Scarlett Johansson back in the day. And she's, I mean, she's evolved into like a super superstar actress too. I just saw that movie Jojo Rabbit. You could take Ryan Reynolds too. Are they still dating?

No, no. He's with Blake lively. No, there you go with it. I'm out of my TMZ. Scarlet Joe? Not her now. Okay. Washed up.

I think the girl from Wolf of Wall. Street would have been my Margo. Margo Robbie. Unbelievable. She frequenced Ranger games and she's always got the Lunkwist jersey on. I mean, Christ,

if I looked like that guy and he's got an absolute wrench on him too, apparently guys. We've had guys on the podcast. We have some cock talk once in a while. We joke around about it. And apparently he's got an absolute weapon on. Good looking. Good at a sport.

Perfect comb over. An absolute weapon. I mean, he's a model through and through. He's married. but man, if I was him playing in NYC, I don't know if I would ever got married. And I think he probably would have been able to take a run at Margo Robbie.

All right, Margo, that's a hard one to argue with. Yeah, always at the top of the list. And she's an incredible actress too. Yeah, she is. The Duchess. Well, Biz, it's been an absolute pleasure, man. Thank you so much. That's fun.

You're a legend. Thanks for coming on, dude. We'll get that Sandbagger deal lined up, and I'll keep you abreast of this Ray Whitney back. What are you guys handicaps? It's happening. Plus two. plus four.

Oh, you've fallen off a little bit since retiring? Yeah, just a little bit. No, plus four, not four. Oh, so you're the other way. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like a minus four from what you're thinking. Come on, man, I'll always have it. I ain't going to be a four.

I was going to say, how the fuck did you get on tour if you're that shit? He's a four. I'll play you straight up, bitch. He's a 76, 77 guy. Yeah. I think I'm going to be coming in. Oh, ask Ray Whitney about when we played it at Whisper Rock. And then I tweeted out after about the bra for Mickelson's bitch

tits in the locker and then and then I basically am never allowed back at Whistfer Rock. Well, that's where we're remember. Well, we'll slide you back in. We'll sneak you in the back. Do you think they allow us to do it there? Oh, I don't know. Maybe we'll see. Maybe we have to take this part out, but I think I shot a 130 there.

Good round. Yeah. And I was standing over my ball for 30 seconds to a minute. So I know if I'm going back, Ray Whitney ain't invited me. We're going to have to tee off late and try to finish before dark. We can do it silver leaf for sure. Yeah. My redemption at Whisper Rock.

The Sandbagger Invitational with Drone Colt. We'll make it happen. All right. Love you, Biznasty. Appreciate you, brother. Boys, thank you. Thank you. Absolutely.

Well, Sleez, that was a rather entertaining interview with Biz Nasty. I mean, the hockey guys, they just let it go. They do not give a damn about much. And I like, we have a lot of the golfers on here. Obviously, we're a golf show, but I like mixing it up with some of the non-golfer sometimes. We've had football players, baseball players. Now we get some hockey guys in here. Ronek was great when he came in.

The hockey dudes, if you were looking for, like, who would be the most fun to just go to the bar and sit down and have a couple with like they're they're tough to top yeah there's no doubt i mean these hockey guys they are a blast they like to golf they like to gamble and they like to party and they got crazy crazy stories incredible stories i love his uh when he was a little male boy back in the day yeah you imagine him just cruising around yeah exactly i like when he knocked the dude out and then brought the belt knocked him out twice and then brought the belt out for the warm up for the game the next time it's also cool to see a guy i mean this guy they have one of the most successful podcasts in the world so it's cool to talk to him pick his brain a little bit i mean they have like over 800 000

followers on Instagram. I think they're like the kind of anti, you know, buttoned up culture that you see on TV, right? They're just the dudes that played hockey. They know the game and they talk about it just exactly how guys would sit around talking about it in their house and people like that. They don't want all the like official, you know, network type of stuff right now. Yep. It's nasty does love golf. Him and his partner Ryan Whitney have started the Sandbagger invitation where they play a couple other hockey guys or some people from other sports. It's a lot of fun. We're trying to work our way into doing a little commentating when they come out here in Scottsdale. We would love that. Commentate or get on the course. We could shoot grizz just like anybody else can.

I mean. Yeah, but they are doing some great things over at spitting chicklets there. Blasco, check them out. That's for sure. But Slease, what a lineup we have coming up. Obviously, we just talked about our Florida Triplu earlier. We don't know quite the order yet, but we're going Masters Week next week. We're going to a little special preview show, sponsored by CHRP. And later on, we got Lieutenant Colonel Dan Rooney, who's done unbelievable things for golf and his folds of honor. Unbelievable. And then, like I said, we got Justin Thomas, Ricky Fowler, Matthew Wolf. Stay tuned. Some big guests coming your way. You're not going to want to miss it. That's going to do it for this week's golf subpar.