Subpar - Scott Stallings Interview: What led to his body transformation, being inspired by Tiger at the Masters

Episode Date: February 1, 2022

On this week's episode of GOLF's Subpar, 3-time PGA Tour winner Scott Stallings joins former PGA Tour pro Colt Knost and jicky jack legend Drew Stoltz for an exclusive, in-studio, interview. He talks being inspired by Tiger Woods performance at the 1997 Masters, what led to his recent body transformation, and just how thin the margin of error is on Tour.

Hello, world. Welcome back to Gulf subpar with Colt Nost and Drew Stoltz. What a week of sports it was between the PGA tour and the NFL. It was so exciting. At the end of the day, Luke List is your winner at the Farmers Insurance Open. But Sleys, my God, another near miss for us with our boys over at Fandul. You picked Willie Z to get the job done. And my God, it looked like it was going to happen. And then at the end of the day, just another playoff loss for us, man. I mean, sweet mother of God. Are we not like a couple of playoff losses away from owning a small island in the Caribbean? I mean, these things, we got Russell Henley down in Hawaii, looked like he was going to get that thing done. Will's Al Torres this week looked like he was headed towards the winner's circle as well. Shout out to Luke List, our boy for getting that thing done. I was really happy to see Luke finally get that win. He's been waiting a long time.

He had to wait a long time on that playoff too, but it was great to see Luke win. But damn, we are close to absolutely just printing, printing. printing money in these picks. But if you had a top five or top 10 or top 20 on those picks, still some good chicken to be had. But damn, we are close to being on a straight up heater starting the year. So how about a friend of mine, Sleaze? You'll love this because you're a degenerate, just like I am in,

but my man is. He texts me early in the week. And he said, I'm telling you right now, Luke List is going to be a factor this week. He goes, he figured out his putting. He started working with this new putting coach, and he is rolling the rock. He goes, trust me, throw a little something on Luke List.

Well, I didn't, but my man did. Luke Liss going off at 70 to 1. He had 5K on him for a little $350,000 payout. He also bet him to top 10 and top 20 at the end of the week, $525,000 winner. I mean, how many shitty pieces of advice do you take from friends? They're like, dude, I just played with so-and-so. He looks unbelievable.

You got a fire on him this week. Then you take it and he misses the cut by about four or five. And then finally you get one that's actually good. Like, yo, Luke figured out his. putting. He might be worth a little piece this week and damned if it didn't happen. By the way, I know the guy you're talking about. He loves to fire. This doesn't affect his life one way or the other, the fact that he won this. But how about that little sweat for him? I mean, what, two hours to wait for the playoff and then the playoff happens. And wow, good week. Next time he texts

us or text anyone, I'm going to probably just maybe a nibble, maybe not 5K on an all-out winner, but, you know, something. Yes, I mean, what a win for him. He almost made as much as Luke did. It's way easier than making birdies. Yeah, way easier. But I just want to get it out of the way, Slees. I had to have first on-air mess up. Here we go. You know, listen, and people on Twitter are just brutal.

I mean, you know what we know. You know it. It's not breaking news. But, you know, here we are. I had a very, I was very frustrated all day. It wasn't my best performance. You know, I was prepared to go out with the Justin Thomas group on Saturday for the fun around. Justin Thomas, Bill, the Horstiel, Maverick, McNeely.

I did a lot of homework on these guys. Talk to Butch Harmon about what he's been working on with, Maverick Neely. I was prepared. I was ready to go. I go out 30 minutes before the show starts. I'm walking with them. All of a sudden, we go 3, 2, 1 on air.

Hey, Colt, by the way, go catch Luke List. He just told a bunker shot. So I'd move groups. I was all flustered. Okay, we finished like two hours before Will's Al Tort's group. I basically did nothing once Luke finished. I just sat there, worked my way back to the TV compound. They're getting ready to go to this playoff.

Well, Mark Emelman was out there with the next last group, and Dottie had the last group. So I'm like, well, they're not going to use me. They're already out there. The compound's really far away from the 18th T. All of a sudden in my ear, I hear, Colt, get to 18. You're going to the playoff. I'm like, oh, boy, here we go.

Parker, drive fast. We got to go. So, you know, I carry that monitor around my neck so I can see the coverage if, you know, they're not showing a live golf shot or anything. It also helps with the shot tracer. You can see where the ball's going if you happen to lose it in the sky. Well, as it was made very clear on TV, it was really dark. out there. You know, it always looks lighter on TV, but it was very, very dark. So I made a

rookie mistake by guessing. My man, Luke, gets over the tea, gets over the ball, sends it, immediately picks up the tea. I saw the ball take off, but then I lost it in the sky. Well, the volunteer behind Luke signals which way the ball's going. He signals dead straight with his paddles. I'm like, well, that's got to be hammered right down the middle. And then I hear in my ear, Colt, it flew in the bunker. I'm like, out of bounds. This is a problem. This is what I get for guessing. and I just got roasted on Twitter for it. I immediately apologize. I was like, dude, sorry I lost it in there.

But some of the things that people said to me, I'm like, my God, you would have thought I committed a crime. All I did was just say the ball was hammered down the middle and ended up going in the bunker. I immediately put out a tweet and then I got thousands of replies showing support, tell me I did a good job. But for that five minutes, there were some very mean things said about me on Twitter. I was, yeah, believe it or not, Twitter,

not the friendliest environment in the world after an on-air mess up. I was sitting there watching it live and like everybody else. And in your defense, dude, it did start down the middle. And Luke's reaction, like the quick T pickup, typically that's like when a guy sees one and he's like, it's good. I don't even need to look at it. And then you make the call and then they pan to it. And it's in like the right side of the bunker. And it has a plug, by the way.

And I was like immediately before anything happened, I was like, oh boy, here it comes Twitter. And sure enough, dude, I'm like, I know you're getting tons of shit. I start getting messages like, yo, your boy said this. you got to wear him out on subpar this week. I can't believe he did that. I was like, guys, here's the deal. If you ever have a microphone in front of your face and you're live and you do that for an extended period of time,

you're going to say some dumb shit. It's just the fact of life. Occasionally there will be some dumb shit set, and it is what it is, and it didn't change anything. It's just like, oh, yeah, actually it's in the bunker. Like, who cares, move on? But people were coming at me like, yo, you got to kill them for this on subpar. I was like, guys, if I start killing people every time they say something bad on air,

I'm going to be in some deep shit, because believe it or not, as hard as it is to believe, I think I've even said some dumb shit on air before. Time or two. I'm a pro's pro. You know that about me. So it happens. It's funny after the fact it's one of those things in 10 years to be like, oh, dude, I remember my first like officially on at CBS event and I said this thing was hammering.

And every, by the way, every time you play with somebody now and you hit one wide right or wide left, they're going to say that to you. So just get ready for that. But the end of the day, who cares, dude? It's not a big thing. everyone is messed up. And for the record, I do like Nick Faldo, but it was way better than hearing about this quarterback sneak the entire time, which really made no sense to me. And I was like, I'm thinking he understands less about football, the more and more he talks about this thing.

Like, let's just let that go. But anyways, dude, it was, it is what it is. He took some shit. And you got in front of it apologizing or taking, you know, owning up to it on Twitter, which is probably the best way to go. Yeah, I just wanted to put it to bed. But I mean, some people saying, is there more worthless broadcaster than Colt knows to be more a terrible call? I'm like, Dude, it was one T shot. Like, relax everyone. Oh, my God, dude. People messed up all the time.

It just happened to be in the playoff first shot. It is what it is. You move on. You fight another day. Twitter is going to tweet. That's what they do. And it's like I said, dude, you ever have a mic on you live and you do it for an extended period of time.

You will say something stupid. And just so happened. You did yours and you got it out of the way. Now you're good. Yeah. And I get to try to make up for it again at Pebble Beach this week. You know, probably say something stupid again. Yeah, you should do one.

like you should do one wrong on purpose. I'm like kidding guys. That's in the ocean. Not kidding. It's five feet away. It's going to even make party. I might do that. I might throw that out there.

You got to. I think you just, yeah, play that up, dude. Just make one atrocious call and be like joking, guys. I actually saw this when it's three feet from the hole. Get over yourselves. Yeah.

It was some good fun. And by the way, dude, speaking of disasters, you missed out on this fun, but we had our Whisper Rock Club championship this week. As you know, it's one day, first day is like qualifying slash seating.

you all go out, you play 18, then they seed you, top 16, make the championship flight. And then the defending champ is automatically the number one seed from last year. So that was Drew Kittleson. We go out there, dude. We're on the Phil T's all the way back. It is long. It is cold and it is blowing probably 20. It's tough out there.

So I go out there. I'm not expecting a whole lot. And I somehow put together a great day at golf. I hit about as good as I can hit it more or less. Played with some good players. I was like, wow, I'm feeling pretty good going to this thing. I shoot minus one. 71. I tied for the second low score behind Scott Harrington, who's in the field.

He's got 69, big lair, former guest, shoot 69. Great round of golf, by the way. But I'm like, perfect. All right, I'm second low out of the qualifiers. I'm going to get some guy that barely greases his way in. You know, it's a play him tomorrow morning. Get kind of like, it's not a buy, but it's like, all right, this guy barely got in. He shoot 79 or whatever. Kind of get a warm up match. I'm sitting down there having a few cocktails. They come around, hand out the match play bracket. First round, Kevin Stab. But sitting right next to him. I'm like, are you shitting me, bro? Tour winner first round.

I normally get some like two handicapped that barely greases. Here shoots 100 and I clip him five and four and I get a little warm up. And I get freaking stads in the first round. He's like, dude, you'll kill me. I'm awful. I made everything today to shoot 78. I probably shouldn't even be in the club championship. I'm like, great.

We go out the next morning cold. It's freezing and windy again, by the way. And through four holes, he was telling the truth. He snipes it on one, has to take a drop, makes a double on one up. we part of the next hole he makes another boge another bogey on top. I'm like two or three up through four or five holes and I'm like oh my god he wasn't lying he does suck I'm going to kill him

and after the fourth hole dude he plays he goes back to old stats hits it beautifully it is howling out there it's hard to get the ball on the green he shoots four under from that point on I get dirt nap on the 17th green so I get a first round exit from the club champion he goes all the way through plays in the finals against Scott Harrington who beat Bryce Moll

during the semifinals. It was a hell of a field, actually, for this week. But I had a first round exit in the club championship for the first time. It's a bit demoralizing. Listen, even the Bulls back in MJ's day lost every once in a while, dude. Good point, dude. Good point. It happens.

The revival re for stats. But you missed the fun week, but it was also freezing and windy, not much up. Sunday, as we're getting ready for football, I was talking to Connor Trias about the bracket. And he read off the semifinals, which consisted of Scott Harrington, Bryce Mulder, Drew Kittleston, and Kevin Stadlin. And I was like, how crazy is this that the most recent PGA tour winner of that group is probably the biggest underdog in Kevin Stadler? Yeah, dude, we got our good friend, our good friend, the doctor, he acts as the sports

book for this event. So he handicaps every match. You got over under. You got money lines. You got prices. When the semis came out, the text goes out to all the idiots that are going to vet on this, of course, with the overunders. Stads was the biggest underdog to win the actual.

I'm like, he won the Phoenix Open. You know what I mean? He hasn't been playing his best golf over the last few years. I was hoping I'd catch him on one. I was like, where are these 79s I keep seeing down in, you know, shitburger events out there. You come out here and shoot four under on this monster today. But he does look a lot better.

He played some good golf. I know in the next couple of matches, too. So he's going to play a corn fairy tour event soon. So hopefully he gets a thing righted and get some chances out there. But hell of a week out here. but I got clipped early. Took a little wind out of my sales. Well, I have yet to play a club championship at Whistbrook.

The scheduling just never works out. I'm hoping one day I can throw my name in there and try to get on the cover of that magazine. It's kind of good, though, because it's hard as shit to win and you're going to lose to one of your buddies because they're all the good players. And then you've got to eat it. You could beat them 99 times 100.

If they beat you during that one week, it's like bragging rights for forever. Unless you win, it's all downside. No doubt about it. Well, I'm out here at Penn. level beach sleaze. I'm going to be playing some golf this week. I got Cyprus point coming up. I got the preserve and then I'm going to call some golf for CBS. But when I get out to Cyprus, I'm going to be hitting my new Callaway Rogue ST driver. This thing is incredible. It's the company's

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Okay. I'll see what I can do. I'll see if I can get you on the program. If they got the quadruple coming out, I'm in the market. All right. Well, we got a very special guest joining us this week. The new and improved Scott Stallings. A lot of made about the weight loss. At one point, I believe he was down 80 pounds. But now he is just a brick shit house. He, the man is in shape.

He works out like an NFL linebacker and is really, really fun to sit down and talk with. He's like Jonah Hill. Every time I see, I don't know which size he's. going to be every time I see him. He could be big. He could be super skinny. I don't know, but he's figured out the right weight for him. And damn, dude, when you, I mean, we get into it clearly,

but it doesn't happen by accident. That dude gets after it. And hell of a hell of a stick, too. Yeah, three-time PJ Tour winner. Here he is. Scott Stallings on Golf Subpar. All right, we got a certified meat eating, weightlifting, tweet-making son of a gun with us here today.

Three-time PJ Tour winner, former Scottsdale resident, and he left us to head back to the motherland. back in Tennessee now. Scott Stallings. How are we, brother? Good man. Thank you guys for having me. Good to have you here. I was one of the better intros have had. You like that?

That would not be your best yet, actually. With anyone. Well, shit. I'm getting better. 100 episodes in. I'm starting to figure out this intro. I like it. You brought a little gift with you, too, by the way, straight from the motherland.

Tennessee whiskey. Straight from the motherland. I don't mean to disrespect you, but I've been in Vegas the last two days and I'm going to hydrate a little bit. You sound good, bro. It's been a rough one. You sound good. When we talked on the phone earlier, it was like, oh, I know where he's at.

Yeah. I was on my couch dying. I got a FaceTime. What was it last night or whatever? And I was like, so back tomorrow for the show. Yeah, you'll be in good change. It'll be good. I'm ready.

Let's do this thing. Perfect. Well, let's get to know Scott Stalling's a little bit. I want to, when I was looking at your bio, I didn't realize you were on site at the 1997 Masters when Tiger won. No, I was not on. Okay. Then you need to fire the people.

No, no, no. PGATour.com. That's a message. I mean, I was so excited. This goddamn internet is ruining our credit bill. Do you remember like when you, do you get your card at Q school? When did you get your, how did you get your car? I went to Q school right out of school and got on the corn ferry and then I topped 25.

Okay. So I got it when, you know, I finished whatever and then where you had your, it was nationwide at the time. But then you kind of got like a free run at finals. Yes. You had your card, but then you could go and try. And I mean, you remember like you get your card, you go to orientation and they ask you all those questions. That info that's on there is probably from that same orientation 12 years ago. Dude, two of my questions were about asking about the 97 Masters. You're turn.

I saw the same thing. I was like, oh, that's an interesting thing. You could just make sure that shot 59 for the first time at age 9 knew I was going to be a pro. But I mean, you get your tour card and you're filling out that information and they're talking to you about like tax IDs and health insurance. You're like, man, I just achieved my like lifelong dream of getting my tour card. I don't know what I'm writing right now. You had to Tiger won the Masters in 97 and I quit everything. I played all different sports.

Said you were on site. Yeah, it said you're on property. Damn it. It blew it with, who was it, Kisner, too. It said Kisner actually went to UJ and got a law degree or some shit. I was like, he was accepted. That's what it was. He was accepted to law school.

And he's like, no, I was like, dude, you went to law. Are you got accepted to the law school? It's like, no. I was like, well, never mind. Next question. So the internet's blowing it for us. So, but you did play everything as a kid growing up before. All the different sports.

Give us the position by position in sports. All right. So first base. and I pitched in baseball. Soccer, I kind of ran around everywhere. I never really played like competitive basketball. I was more like church league, so it was in the streets. Church league is very in the street.

Church league in the streets. Fowl, okay, I'm sorry. Take two points. What age did you know that golf was kind of your sport? And, I mean, the master story is real. I don't know exactly what information that was, but I mean, I made my first hole in one. my birthday is the last week in March.

The Masters is always the first week in April. And my first hole in one right before that, and then Tiger goes out there and wins, and I'm like, I want to do that. I mean, make your first hole in one. You're on such a golf high, and then you see this kid that, and just wears everybody out.

And I was supposed to go to baseball practice, like that early, you know, part of April, start getting ready for the next season called coach. Like, I'm not doing this anymore. That's awesome. I wonder how many guys. I'm going to play golf. And then all my friends are like,

you're an idiot. And, you know. Yeah. Until a tiger, I mean, so many people are like, that's the moment when I knew I was going to play. I wonder, Tiger had just gone out there and laid an egg and tried a couple of 75s and gone home with how many, like, lives would be different. Guys that are now on tour, but I don't really get into golf because nobody was making it cool. Yeah, it's a totally different thing. And, you know, I met in my rookie year and then I got to play with him the first time my second year on tour at Memorial in the second to last group on Saturday.

So, I mean, there's people out there. Yeah. a few. You know, those green tents they have right there on all the, you know, one one and ten. And I, like, had a plan to my mind of what I was going to say. You know, I'd talk to him twice, maybe ever. I almost missed my tea time at Tori because I was watching him hit balls. My rookie year was like, this is awesome.

Like, I didn't know he hit in the back. And I just tried to, I mean, the range is so small. I just went wherever I could find to someone. He was back there. I was like, this is sweet. Like, I mean, I hit four balls and went and shot probably 77. He just rolled out there. But that's what he does.

Yeah, 100%. But I walk right up to him. I said, man, I'm not going to ask you for anything. I just want to say thank you. I said, you made some kid from Tennessee want to come out here and chase it. And not very often that people get to go in the competitive environment of the tour or whatever that is and be able to play with the guy that, you know, made you want to pursue that. And he almost, like, didn't know what to say.

He's like, and we got in the middle of number one fairway. He's like, man, thanks. like so many people I guess ask him for all different things or sign stuff or kind of whatever but I just wanted to tell him thank you so I mean I probably wouldn't have been you know anywhere close to where I am if you hadn't have inspired a whole generation of golf and I mean none of us would be doing what we are if it wasn't for that all that PIP money just send it right to him exactly no kidding what did you shoot that day uh we both shot 73 okay so we both shoot 73 everyone has tiger stories Like, we can just go there. That's fine. Yeah, we love them. And it was like, what's the most impressive thing you've seen on tour? And, like, I play with six guys when they were number one in the world, like, when they were

number one, they were all impressive in their own right. But this was the one that was like, we're on a different level here. We both shoot 73, and it's like kind of a scrappy. Like, we both made a couple birdies to shoot 73. And we're walking up 18, hit the green. And he said, you know, thanks for playing. You know, enjoyed the day. you know, good luck tomorrow.

He said, 67, I'll see you in a playoff. It's like, bro, we're in like 18th or whatever. It's like when switching, we're going to go out a little bit earlier. He said, I think 67 gets in a playoff. I think that that'll be good enough, you know, just kind of the way that the course is going to play. It's kind of dried out. I'm like, but did you see?

Like, I feel good that we shot. He's like, too and do. Because if you go and watch, it's the, when he changed shoes, and he makes like a 30-footer on 18, shoot 66, went by two. and I'm standing on the side. You know when he goes in Shakespeare's hand? I'm standing like, I played in the group in front. And I signed my card and I was like, he knew.

And he did it. That's incredible. Just standing on the green like 24 hours before he told me he's going to do this and he did it. Damn. It was awesome. Kid knows. He ain't no rookie. Yeah, it ain't no hobby.

Well, going back to how you got into the game, I'm interested because you said you played all the sports. You gave them up. You go to, you know, you're from Oak Ridge. Is it Oak Ridge, Tennessee? Yeah, you come up. You become all-state and golf, right? And then you go to Tennessee Tech, which isn't a golf powerhouse, quote-unquote. By no means.

I wouldn't say. But you're all-state player. Like, is that because other schools, did you not get looks from other schools? Or did you just want to stay local in Tennessee? I mean, recruiting was so different. I mean, I'm 36 now. And just, like, seeing all the stuff, expect anything with college now with all the NIL stuff. I mean, it's truly the Wild Wild West.

But, I mean, I probably made a mistake that ended up paying off for me. I mean, I put all my hopes and dreams and going on the university. Mercy of Tennessee. Like I wanted to wear orange and white. I wanted to go to Neeland Stadium on Saturdays. I wanted to play golf in the SEC. And basically anyone that showed any interest, I was kind of pot committed that I was,

that's where I was gonna go. I was gonna play and that's where I was gonna be. And then it kind of came down to it and the coach kind of maybe saw otherwise or kind of thought that I was coming no matter what. And there wasn't ever really an offer. It was more just, hey, you have a place on the team. That was kind of it.

It's like, man, you know how many things I just turned down to do this? And, you know, ended up kind of 11th hour. I had originally committed to Chattanooga, then went met the guys over there at Tech and, you know, became some of my best friends in the world. And, you know, I probably kept me hungry. And I had an old school coach that played on tour back in the 70s. And, you know, kind of always had a foot in my rear end

and, you know, kicking me in the right direction. And, you know, now we're about to start 12th. you're on tour. Yeah. Chip on your shoulder too. There's something to be said for that too. And I know for like for me like going into college, I didn't know if I was going to be able to play on the PGA tour.

Like it was just kind of like, let's see what happens in college. Were you a guy that like from day one, you're like, I'm getting to the PGA tour and that's it? Or is it let's go play golf see what's happened and then maybe I'll get a degree and figure it out? No, I was one of those guys that like you played in any like big tournament in college. I mean, we played in the Ohio Valley Conference. Like I remember I was All-American and I went to the all-American. American tournament in El Paso. Yeah, in El Paso.

And they let one D2 player of the year come in, and the lady thought that my school was D2. And I went to NCAA as a crosswater. I mean, we took like 100 airplanes to get there. And that was the first time I ever knew, like a college program flew private. And the Oklahoma State checked in right before I did. And I'm like, how did y'all get here?

He's like, oh, we just flew here. I'm like, to where? He was like, oh, like right over there. I'm like, I connected seven times to get there. And I checked in and the lady asked me if I was at the right place. Ouch. Just, I mean, kind of like little thing. And it wasn't intentional, but, I mean, you played a small school and then you kind of go.

But that was kind of the moment that, like, all right, I think I can do this. And, you know, up until then, it was sort of like, okay, we'll see what happens. Yeah, and it all happened pretty quickly. I mean, I know you spent a little time on the jinky jacks, as the sleighs likes to That's where you really cut your teeth. Yeah. You got out on the Alcorn Ferry Tour and then immediately get your PJA tour card through Q School. I love Q School stories.

I miss Q School. I think it's, we talk about it a lot of guys. It's the best TV in golf. 100%. Like they need to do that Netflix thing. Like they brought back like all the crazy stuff and people would dive into that, especially all the golf fans. I mean, everything that happens in Q School, the great, the bad, the scary, stuff that keeps you up at night. I mean, and you finished, I believe, tied for 11th at years.

And it was your second try at Q school. But tell us that moment of when you got your card. Playing that, like, that last day is always my favorite talking about that. Because I don't know if anyone's ever slept through the night before the final round of Q school. Yeah. So, you're always, you know where you are. Like, I mean, it's not a surprise. In the year before, I missed like a 10-footer on 18 at Bear Lakes to get my card.

Ultimately, probably the best thing that ever happened. because fast forward probably 14 months, I missed my first five cuts on tour and just get my head beat in. And, you know, definitely fast learning curve. But so you're going the night before, and Orlando, the weather was awesome. But if you go back to any of the video,

we're dressed like we're about to go skiing. It dropped like 40 degrees. I mean, holes we were hitting wedges into, like 18 was like a driver and like a max nine iron, maybe to like a back pin. In 18, I hit driver 600, as good as I possibly could to like a front left flag. I mean, just the course was totally different.

But kind of the first part of that week, Scott Brown told me on the fourth hole at the Panther course, he said, if you don't get your card here, you're never getting it. Because it was just like a perfect setup for me, the way that the golf courses were playing. And so, I mean, he was right. You know, everything worked out. But what I remember from I birdied 17,

I was inside the number kind of playing around. I birded 17, and then I hit a good shot in 18, and I made it to. kind of like guarantee I was but we had to wait in scoring forever because Horshiel was in our group and he he double D was caddian for him and he had asked him what the number was and they had they were kind of figuring out what they were playing the shot and they basically stood on the back of the green and just kind of had it out because they had told them one thing and I'm not well will stribbling I think that was his name he he he he

He bogeys 18 and Billy gets in. Will Strickler? Strickland. Man, man, it's a long time ago. There's a lot that's happened since then. I'm sorry, man. I completely butchered your name. I think it was Will Strickler, yeah.

There is a Will Strickler. I don't know about him or not. I don't know. He played in Florida. That's Strickler. That's Strickler, yeah. Sorry, Will, Will Strickler. He's all right.

But he ended up bogey and the number moved and Billy got in. Oh, my God. But, I mean, achieve a dream, finally get my card, everything and we're just sitting in scoring and like what's going like what do we do like this is a card you're going to add and check and i mean you're not first to first time billy harshal and don donatelow just don't need to be a team together let's get that straight that is those two personalities don't go together but i mean billy's had a hell of a career yeah and everything that's taken place but just a very like surreal finish to finally achieving a dream and then it's like is is everything going to be okay

I mean, there's probably 10 minutes, but it felt way longer in that. And that's great. Like, Billy gets in because of a bogey. You never know, like, the domino effect of what would have. And you birdie the last two, so you're at least feeling good and you're not sweating it out. You pretty much know it's just like, what spot am I going to be in? But the year before, you mentioned, you missed by one. Go back to that one because I know, I mean, the closing holes, I'm sure you remember them.

Yeah. What that was like, just knowing you're on the bubble the whole time. I mean, and I never had status anywhere. So it was kind of like, all right, I played good enough. Like, I'm going to have full status in some form or fashion. But, you know, coming down the stretch, I hit some good shots on 18, and it was probably like an eight-footer. And I remember watching the finals because kids was 26, too.

We were in 26 place, and that was when all 25 got it. We sat in the clubhouse at Bear Lakes, and we just watched, and him and I were just like, what do you think? Because if someone made a bogey, we were both going to get in. And, you know, it worked out all right for us. Yeah, but at the time, you know, you look at it. And, you know, the story is from Q school, man. and it just kind of stick with you and you look back at it.

I mean, it doesn't seem like that long ago, but it was. There's incredible stories, most tragic stories. But I mean, God, I'm with you. Like this Netflix thing that just got announced that's coming out, if they did a Q school one, my goodness. I mean, just the stuff that goes back and forth, like, I mean, everyone sees that put, the guy hit the back of the hole. Everyone thinks that that was that.

I mean, he missed his carbop, but that was the day before. Joe Bailey. Joe Daley. I ended up playing some jigs with him a number of years. later and I don't think you ever got over it. But everybody does think that like that was like the next to last hole on the last day. And I'm like, but he still had a whole. That was a really bad break.

Yeah, a horrible break. But, you know, it ends up missing out and, you know, kind of sees different things like that. But, yeah, I definitely miss Q school. And as far as I don't miss it like personally. Yeah. You miss watching. But do you miss Q school personally? Well, now I want it back.

But playing it, hell no. Yeah. I mean, I was one of the guys. double bogey the last toll one year and thought I missed but ended up getting my card on the number I mean to double bogie the hundred and go in and no I just doubled it 18 at tbc or at PJ west yeah dude I was my caddy told me I to make bogey and I made double and I thought life was over I just lost my tour card before and went in I'm tears were coming down and uh Johnny the scoring officially goes you're all right you're gonna finish T27 but two guys ahead of you already have

their card and it was like the greatest moment ever man that's like a Roberto Castro and Mark Anderson. I walked in the class and said, whatever you all want is on me right now. That's the other weird thing about that is like 25 and ties. Everybody gets it. So like your fate, when you finish up, if you're not, you know, when one of the later group, you finish up, your life, as it feels like at the time, is in the hands of other people.

If you're like, right, I need a boat. Like somebody's got a boge and you don't control anything and you're just sitting there and waiting hopefully somebody backs up. It's the most intense pressure in the world. So when, how did that work? Because I know how it is now. Yeah, so a guy comes off the corn fairy who finishes in 25. They don't take another spot.

No, this was in 2011, so they were trying to improve their number. Oh, okay. So they don't count. If they finish into the top 25, they don't count against the number. Okay. So I double bogey 18. We're T-27, but those guys are obviously removed. So we go to T-25.

It's me, John Huh and Nathan Green. John Hutt ends up winning a rookie of the year, I think, the next year. If I make bogey, I don't even have his card. Yeah. And wins my iqobin, wins myakobin, wins, like, 2.4 million. I was like, hey, John, how about a little kickback over here, bud. You could write a book about all that, just like I said, the butterfly effect of all that. He made bogey, so he got in, and then he wins rookie of the year, goes on to win all the shit,

and makes $8 billion he would have been on the Corn Prairie Tour. You know, it's just, it's not. Well, you get your card, which is obviously goal number one, and then you have an interesting rookie year. You obviously win, but I want to go back because, as you mentioned, you know, you have to a very slow start. And I'll say the win was important, but maybe the sponsor exemption you got into Tampa was more important than anything, because that kind of got you going.

Correct. So this week is the week of Sony, and everyone's like, why don't you play there? I mean, I had such, like, sticker shock there. Everyone's like, oh, you need to stay at collie. You need to do this. Like, yeah, I'm a rookie. Like, let's go do it. Hit it right behind a tree on 9 on Friday.

I'm right on the cut number. Downwind par 5. Like, if you hit the fair way. The easiest haul into her. I mean, you hit the fairway there downwind, like, nine iron. What, eight iron max? Short iron. For you.

Yeah, okay. I have hit wedge into it, but I've also hit more. Yeah, but straight. down wind like man that's what you want you're finishing drove it right behind one of the palm trees on the right pitched it through the very way chipped it up short had like a four-foot or horse shoot it missed a call number and got like a $2,700 hotel bill and like I thought I was going to have a hard attack so I haven't played that somebody open very often but yeah missed the first five cuts and my first ever cut at Puerto Rico and thankfully uh Kenny Perry helped me out big time he's

sponsored by transitions at the time and I mean he was like a more a big brother maybe more like a I don't know sometimes I felt like he yelled at me like I was one of his kids but like a huge influence in you know the early part of my career and you know was kind enough to help me get a spot and I would consider the sixth fairway practice round probably one of the most like motivating humbling uh embarrassing conversations ever have you ever have you you ever seen in your tour career or any golf in a practice round letting people play through no we did okay so we played all these practice rounds i finally made my first cut the week before in puerto rico kinney helps me get in there and we're playing a practice round and it was like total blackout

like i mean if it was going in the air like it was at the pin i eagled one like made a couple other birdies we're in that you know downhill dogleg right number six i got an eight iron the pins wherever it is in the and I make it. Like, he's like, I'm over it. I'm over it. I'm done watching you play good in these practice rounds. Like, all this good golf that I know you can play, I'm done. Like, you're going to figure it out.

Like, you are going to play good in this tournament. Like, I know you're capable. I don't know what you do in the tournament rounds, but he said, you're clearly not doing this. When we let groups play through, this is right with the bend, you know, coming down probably like 180, 175 out. Every time I get there, I'm like, This is where it happened.

That's where it happened. And he told me everything that he thought. That's incredible, though. You and KP in the middle of the fairway. He's bishing at you about why don't you do this in regular terms? And groups are playing with Blake. I'm playing with Blake Adams and Josh Teeter. And, you know, Kenny could have cared less about what we were doing, like, whatever bet we had or game or whatever.

And it was just, I'm going to let you know what I think. And this is the moment that it happened. And I'm like, yeah. You know, he's like, that's awesome. You made it too. practice really. That doesn't mean anything out here. Like in just as far as like being on carried over. Fast forward. I'm in one of

the last groups. I'm playing with Webb on Sunday. Kenny calls me, takes me to dinner. He's like, this is how you're going to feel. This is what you're going to do. This and that. Hit in the water on 16, make double. And I'm finishing third. But I mean, the way that the shuffle and everything worked, I mean, I just went from like nowhere

to like where I could actually kind of make a schedule. That's so cool. I mean, there's obviously veterans that take young guys under their wing, but to give him a full-blown ass you in a fair way. That was like as as nice of a like a ridicule or a like just

like you know called to the carpet like man you're going to do this or you're not and I mean that's kind of the way I took it and then kind of fast forward to Greenbrier I'm playing good I played good on Saturday and I'm playing with Anthony Kim Yeah, final round

man so good so good And Saturday night, he's like, all right, dinner, we're going. First ever final group. Like, you kind of know a little bit of what to expect, but, like, it's going to be different. And go out, shoot four over on my first nine. And I just started remembering, like, some of the stuff that he said.

And, you know, different things as far as, like, all right, you can feel this, you can do this, you could do that. And, I mean, those kind of things kind of stuck with me. But, you know, super fortunate to have a guy like that kind of pouring to me. but the sixth fairway at Innesbrook, I'll never forget. Career changer. I knew y'all were close, but I didn't know it was like that. That's really cool to hear.

So Justin was the same age as me. And it's like, you're about to get, like, it's about to happen. I know, I know what this, what that voice is. And most of the time it's pointed at me. It's about to happen. And Kenny's like the nicest guy that you wouldn't think like outside looking in. There was not a single curse word or anything, but he had my full attention. The nicest ass chewing in the history.

Change your whole, and then he takes you to dinner before Greenbrier, before the final round. Like you said, you got AK4 over on the front. At that point at the front, where you're like, well, this is done, let me just try to have another good fin. Let me get a top five or something like that.

It was winning still. No. Because he made a lot of birdies on that back nine. No, I had hit one fairway on the front and number 10 at Greenbrier, and this was when the term was in August. So, I mean, you're already a little bit of elevation, and it was hot, and the ball was going forever.

And we get to number 10, and it was like a five wood, three woodish. It's like I'm hitting a foreign. It's like I just want to hit the fairway. Like all that just put me in the fairway and I can somewhat get it up there around the green. And I hit the fairway. Like the ball was in the mid-air

and my caddy Josh at the time. It's like, there's one. And then it just kind of went on from there. And it happened quick. Your first final group, like you said, you know, going in Sunday. And you got AK who, I mean, people love the guy. That was, what, 2011?

That was right before he stopped playing, but people love that guy. What is that? I mean, first time ever in a final group, that's a dude to have with you. That would be mayhem out there. To be honest, we didn't speak very much

because we both played so bad. Like, I was, like, over in my part of the woods and, like, he was in his part of the woods, and, like, you know, you're not, like, walking down the middle of the fairway and be like, oh, I got 148, you got one, like, I'll go. Like, it's not like, we weren't even close,

like, to even have those kind of conversations. I burdied, I bugged 17 in regulation, I birded 18. And, I mean, he just told me good luck in the playoff. And, I mean, that was kind of the only words that we really had, other than, like, randomly good shot. Good luck today. Yeah, that was kind of it. And then good luck in the playoffs.

I whipped it basically on number two T off number one, and, you know, he hit it wherever. And he did he shoot, he shot like 74 that day. And he was coming off, I know he shot 62 on Saturday to get in that final group. I think he shot 74 on Sunday, which is not like it. We were well on our way to 80, especially myself, you know, early out. So, I mean, it was obviously a life-changing event and a life-changing round. But you're just the kind of the, it's like, oh, you shot 69, you kind of held it together.

It's like, nope, there's kind of a kind of a Jacklin. But that's kind of how like your career is. Honestly, I mean, you miss a lot of cuts. You have a lot of high finishes, which is fine. I mean, you'd rather have a lot of top tens than a lot of. 50th. But what is that? What is that about your game?

Do you think that, I mean, obviously you would like to be very, very consistent, but like you said, it's kind of Jekyll and Hyde. Yeah, very much so. And I've definitely kind of got myself into a little bit the last few years in my career, not necessarily like, I would say safer, but as you gain more experience, you kind of know what not to do. I mean, you kind of play yourself in a way. But when you come out as a rookie, it's like, all right, there's a pen.

I'm going to hit it at it. and which buds itself to a lot of miscuts, but when you pull it off, it's like, man, I'm going to have some chances. And, you know,

you get in the world of analytics and, you know, kind of figuring out. And I started working with Hunter Stewart kind of beginning, probably the end of, you know,

two years ago, so it's probably one full season. And he did my review at the end. He goes, I need you to stop being you every week. Perfect. What else? And I was like,

I was like, man, you need to explain that. He said, you have no variance. He said, variance. is how you make, you know, huge gains and have the big weeks.

He said, you know, you basically, you drive it okay, hit your iron's pretty good, you kind of put average and you chip pretty good. He said, but you do that, you basically flatline. You don't gain, you don't lose, and you kind of basically stay where you are. He said, but in order to, like, really make a splash, like you have to have one of those, like, plus ten putting weeks or, you know, a scrambling week where you don't get up and down. And so a little bit of a strategy, a little bit of its, you know, kind of course, management and kind of put myself in some more spots where I have a chance to do what I'm

the best version of myself in and I mean Napa was a perfect example I've never finished since I the top 25 in Napa. Hanks said I'm going to give you a different strategy off some of the T's to give yourself in this bucket of yard is as many times as you can I shoot one under on Sunday playing with max and finish sixth and all I did was just kind of adjust some of my T shots just to try to get it where I could hit this, like, area, which is what I'm one of the best at for me and just try to do some more of that kind of thing. What's that area?

That week it was a nine iron. I was just trying to give myself as many opportunities, especially some of those holes, like where it wants you to play back or try to force it up. I mean, if it wasn't like 10, it's not like I'm going to lay back on purpose. Like, I'm going to hit the fairway and hit it up there and deal with it.

But, you know, some of the other T shots, like I would either force it way up there or kind of play back just to where, I'd give myself more of an opportunity to kind of play from that number. It's crazy how many guys now are all that stuff. All analytics. I mean, they have their stats guys out there. They're going over everything.

It plays a big part. Yeah, I mean, our margin for error is zero. And Hortsey works with a few guys out there. And I met with him a couple years ago at it would have been Liberty National. So it was the first playoff event. He's like, I'm going to give you one number. I'm like, man, this is going to be it. Like, this is going to change my career.

But a little bit of perspective as far as, like, truly, like, how a razor thin the margin is. He said, 58. So, man, unbelievable score. It's like, nope. He said, that's your variance. 58 shots in a year. So you said 29 shots.

This way, you make a tour championship. 29 shots the other way. You lose your card. Oh, shit. That's crazy when you break it down like that. I mean, you think of how many shots we have and how many tournaments and how many this and how many that? I was like a hundredth on the way.

the FedEx Cup something like that like you know fine I'm there I'm at playoffs make a run see what happens and that's what he said 58 shots your 58 shot 29 one way from tour championship 29 the other way wow that's cool that's great in like 25 20 whatever I had played like 27 tournaments a couple of a couple of tournament yeah that's crazy just start to see the difference in far as like I mean it was as anch as it was as encouraging and like oh wow at the same Yeah, those stat guys, they put out cool stuff. Like one of the guys, I think it's Lou Stagner on Twitter, I believe, put out in the year 2000, which one obviously, and Tiger won everything.

He's like, Tiger Woods from 125 and then hit like 79% of his greens. He goes, so all you 15 handicapsers out there that think you should go at every flag, well, no matter what yard you are, here's the best year in golf ever, and he missed a lot of greens from inside of one. He missed two out of ten. Yeah. Yeah. It's crazy.

The other one of, like, you know, proximate, like rough green percentage with sandwich wage on tour is like way lower than what you think. Yeah. And you see like these college and like junior kids are like, I'm in the rough, but I got a sandwich and like I'm going to flag it. Like when you, we hit like 65% in the green from the rough with the sandwich.

And the distance from the hole too. Like people say like, oh, that's the difference between pros. You give them a wedge and they're hitting within 10 feet. Like no, dude, go look from 120 what the tour averages and it's like 21 feet or something. It's like around 20. It's like it's not the same.

I always thought you, I still think that's like when the, The harder things get, maybe the shittier the conditions get the tough, like you just shot 62 at Bermuda. I think you beat the field average by almost 10 shots. That rarely happens on tour, like maybe once a year or something like that. Tori Pines, or you've been great. Really tough golf course.

You went in, what, 2014 at minus 9. Like the harder the golf course, the tougher the conditions, I feel like the more you excel. Would you agree with that? Yeah, I definitely. I think a lot of it has to do with attitude and, you know, just dealing with it. I mean, as we talked about earlier, you know, Golfers, for the most part, are generally less inclined to seek out discomfort and ways to kind of go and deal with it.

I'm not saying that I'm any tougher than anyone else, but just dealing with it, excepting the fact that no one went and made me come out here and try to be one of the best players in the world. Like, that was the decision that I made, and I'm going to try to push myself to be that way. And you hear some younger guys, like, man, no one went and got you out of bed and said you had to be a tour player today. I know guys that would give anything they possibly have to go out there and play one event, just to go have an experience of what that is.

So when it gets tough, I mean, it's not the most enjoyable thing in the world, but the fact that I get out and play and compete and be one of the best, you know, with one of the best, you know, set of players. I mean, if you look top to bottom, man, like you look at that list of those guys and it's like, man, this has got to be one of the best sets of guys in a long time. It's crazy how deep it is.

Oh, my goodness. Like, everybody can win. But to say, like, I played during that time is pretty great. Yeah, that's crazy. But you're right, the out of the out of it. No bull right here. That's the whole deal, right? No excuses, suck it up, do it.

And just get out there and deal with it. I mean, Bermuda was definitely a kind of a unique scenario. I was nuts. A unique scenario. But everything that takes place to have that happen, like, I teed off the back. I was one of the first UT times. And, like, everything that kind of takes, like, anyone that has a round like that so they didn't get lucky, like, I mean, 100% that's what goes into it.

I mean, you beat the fill by 10 and one round. like something had to go your way. Sure, but it wasn't like dead calm and, you know, easy for you. It was just maybe a little less shitty than it was. If it's dead calm, it's kind of hard to be the same. Ten strokes easier in the freaking morning than it wasn't happening. We played one of the hardest rounds of golf ever together, Torrey Pines. Holy hell.

That was another fun one to watch. Do you go into the story of Monday when we had to go back and finish? God, that was good. I mean, yeah. Do that story, yeah. All right. So we go, we play with Billy. And Colt makes the longest, most just uncomfortable.

Thank God, or you could not hear the microphone. There's no way. There was not nice things. There's no way you'd be working for CBS with the words that you said. Hey, they can go back and look at it. Be quiet. Check that out. It was 20, 2012.

So he makes this put. And, I mean, it is like, it was ridiculous. The fact that we were even out there playing. So Billy finishes on, I mean, we're out there forever. I felt like we got pulled on off the golf course. That was the day when all those cars got destroyed from the trees. So Colt and I have to go back and we're in 18 Fairway. We just had to get one shot, right?

Yeah, so they blew the horn, but it wasn't a dangerous situation. So we had the option of finishing. So it's straight into the wind, right, on 18. And so we lay it up. I have 125 yards. Billy just butchers it makes seven right in front of us. And I'm like. He's just done.

And so Davenport's like, hey, you know, if we come back in the morning, it could be calm, 125, Bertie, might top 10. He's like, it's not going to be any worse than this. Yeah. It was straight downwind. It was straight downwind. It was straight down when I had $1.25. And it was in the bowl, hard to get to.

Next morning we wake up. It's blowing 40 the other direction. But that's not the best part of the story. That has not the best part of the story. It has zero to the story. So Jay Jr.'s caddy informing. And I said, man, just go to Phoenix. Like I got a wedge and a putter.

And I brought another ball just in case something crazy happened. So we're out on the range. And one of the official comes up and says, you don't have a caddy. It's like, no, man, Colt and I are right there. We got, you know, hopefully a couple shots. Like, and we're good. He's like, well, you have to have a caddy.

Like, well, I sent Jay to Phoenix. Like, we'll just find somebody to go out there. Grab me in that way. So they found. I'm a maintenance guy? Yeah, I guess a grounds crew guy. And he comes out, and they're getting ready to start. I mean, Colts first a hit.

And they blow the horn cell phone. ring and answer. You would not believe where I am. I'm caught you, wrong. It's blowing a million. I'm caddy for this guy. And all Colts says, not off to a good start. He's only got one ball.

It's blowing 40. You only have one ball then? No. It's blown 40. You didn't grab the couple from somebody. When we got out there, I went straight back to my bag. It's like, I mean, a lot. Three.

Yeah, maybe. So the course was playing so hard, I had not made a birdie the whole round. Yeah. And I hit a wedge in there, hit it off the slope, came back, had like a six-footer, and I made it. And this guy is pumped. Where's my 10%? Like trying to figure it out. And, but that, like, cell phone is the delay.

That's a great story. It's just some random maintenance dude, and he picks up the phone, like, I'm in the 18. And he answers it, and Colton Daver just like. I just moved this fairway dog and I'm on it. What did you hit from 125 into 40? 8 hours. Tomahawked in the back bunker. It was great.

Bogue or Parsons? I got up to have a par. Good par. Yeah, but that day, honestly, like, we hung in there pretty good for a group,

and I think it's because we were all, it was kind of so ridiculous, we were all just out there kind of having fun. Like, we were all joking around on 3T before I made that map.

Yeah, when he shot, he beat the field like 10. Yeah, it was like the best tournament or final round, whatever. Yeah, but it was the situation

of like, where the wind started switching around, and he just happened to be playing. I remember they said he hit gap wedge into 12. We hit like wood. And we were a couple

groups behind him. Not very often you were in like whatever place we were in. I shot 79 and I gained one spot. Yep. That's my kind of tour. That's what you're looking for. A whole different ball game. Going to the year you won, though, 2014, go back to the same hole.

You had the iron in from the fairway. Lands on the false front, starts coming back, a little trickle. It stays up. When you hit that ball, when you won 2014, when it landed and started coming back, do you think it was soup or no? No, I thought I hit it over the green. Like I was trying to hit it as hard as I. Do you club down because of adrenaline?

No, I was trying to ship that thing over and it landed right there kind of probably the softest part. Like I was doing everything I possibly could to hit it where it would land, cover the front and roll back there and see what happens. You know, everything you look at now, it's like, I mean, that was a lucky break, great. I mean, everyone needs something great to happen. You fast forward to the next year I get in a playoff with Jason Day and we're all in the playoff in the fairway. And he hits this awful iron shot. and it lands in the walkway and stays in the fairway

and it's an unbelievable pitch like a foot makes it and Harris and I make par and we get knocked out and then J.B. Bogie 16 and, you know, Jason wins but just look in those situations. I mean, anyone that wins that they didn't get a good break

or whatever was. And you beat Gary Woodland that year you won. That was awesome. That was really awesome. Do you know who you missed in the play? Do you know who the guys that were one stroke back? That playoff you would have been in?

Had you not tweeted that whole? Can you remember them all? It was a line. It was been a fucking beast of a playoff of you. You got KJ. Troy, Mark Leashman, our boy Graham Delette,

Pat Perez, Jason Day. If you part of that whole six piece with all those guys. That could have gone for days, by the way. I mean, we'd probably still be there.

Yeah. With J. It would be great. Hopefully this year of Colts calling it. We've got a nine-way playoff. We're going to finish this on Wednesday. I'll miss some flights for you.

We do got to talk about 2015 a little bit because, I mean, you're obviously a very, I'll take a sense. You'll cheers to that? Yeah. You can get you a little more if you need it. It was a very popular story in the game of golf, obviously, with drug testing coming into the PGA tour.

You have one of the more unique things I've ever heard when it comes to drug testing. I mean, you basically turned yourself in, and then about four months later you found out you were suspended. Correct. And it's obviously. And never failed once. Yeah. So take us through it. First off, what were you taking?

How did you find out? It was banned. And then tell us about this meeting with the commissioner. Wow. That's a big question. That's a big question. So we golf's going in the Olympics 2016. This is 2015.

We're at Torrey. And that's when they do the meeting. And they're like, all right. And they, you were probably there sitting in there. And they said, all right, you know, we're going in the Olympics. We're going under a different set of drug testing guidelines. If there's anything that you're concerned with, doctor, whatever, like let us help you figure out what's going on. So they sent the list out as far as everything you're taking.

And that was kind of like right at the beginning of like me trying to figure out what in the world I was doing, my health and my body and kind of everything. So I had gone to see a doctor, a general physician, and said, hey, you've got some numbers that are low. And it was DHEA. I mean, I knew nothing. As naive as you possibly, 100% my fault, like head in the dirt, listening to whatever, whatever doctor said, I was just trying to feel better. And said, you know, maybe you could take this. And I bought it, Kroger. It's $10.81.

for 25 milligrams of these tiny little things. And so I had taken it to start the season and, you know, who knows, whatever it did, if it made any difference. So I'll play the tournament, losing a playoff. We're coming back to play Phoenix, and we lived in Phoenix at the time. I was in our place in Greyhawk.

I called Nina Stillwell. And I said, hey, you guys mentioned this. I think potentially, like, I've had a doctor prescribed, like all documented everything, exactly what we're doing for everything. But again, like, I take full responsibility, like, never shy away from it. Like, it's 100% on me. And I call, I said, this is what I've taken. This is how long I've taken it for.

You know, let me know what I need to do. I said I'm almost 100% positive. It's banned. You know, you guys said, let's figure it out. Let's figure it out. This is beginning of February. Yeah, so this is right after the event. So the very beginning, you know, right around waste management.

Literally nothing. Like, don't hear anything. So my manager at the time, the Mayo Clinic's right down the road, and I had still been taking it. I go, I spent like a grand at the Mayo Clinic, and I walked in us like, I want the full Olympic test if I was going to compete in the Olympics today. Like I want every test that you can possibly be,

and they're like, you don't have a prescription. I was like I'll pay for it out of pocket like just give it to me blood urine hair everything passed wow so I sent that in I was like and I had been drug tested that week and I passed and but I'm not saying that just because you pass like I mean people do that all the time but just the fact of what's going on come to find out in order to fail for that you have to take truckloads and it needs to be injected like 25 milligrams was like We're talking about like 2,500, like a bunch. So it goes on, you know, we kind of, like we literally hear nothing.

And come around, I get an email and a letter saying, you know, commissioner would like to meet. I said, well, just let me have a conversation with him and let him know where I'm coming from and this. Sit in the back of the clubhouse in New Orleans, sits down and hands me a letter. It's him, Jay, and Pasner. hand me a letter and said you're going to be suspended for three months no conversation was ever had nothing and Fincham looked at me right in the eye

said I believe you're trying to gain a competitive advantage against your fellow players and this is what we're going to do about it he said that 100% wow and I said sir with all due respect if I was gaining a competitive advantage why would I tell anybody yeah I just yeah I just snitch on myself

and the crazy thing is I was allowed to continue to play during this whole time. I don't know what I made. I don't know if I'd play any good or play any bad. But I mean, probably that was the catalyst to, you know, push me to get to where I am today as far as, like, my health and everything. Because I just blindly just, I'm not saying that doctor had ill intent, but that doctor was just trying to do what she thought was best.

I mean, so if you hadn't said anything, if you're just like, oh, okay, whatever, we'll figure it out. Let's see if this thing's fine, if I feel better, just not said anything. never would have been never would have found out you never tested positive never nothing you just said hey I'm taking some stuff I don't know what it is I know you're doing all this little I said every bit of documentation every drug test everything from the doctor the doctor cooperated everything with them and then it came down to we feel like you're trying to create a competitive advantage and then they asked me when I would like to be suspended ever I never sounds good I got to pick 2036 feels about right I said hey I'm one of defending champions of cream briar have that be back and we kind of reverse timeline that said if I take it go play greenbrier they were doing like something with

the past champions and did that that was my last event and announced I got suspended the the week after and then I got to come back in Napa exactly three months later let me ask you this are the questions just running wild yeah I got a lot yeah I got a few um one what was the response from like your fellow players. Originally, like when it first started out, negative. Like what way? Like negative, like, because no one knew the full story. And I'm not sitting there just,

and this isn't a Batch the Tour thing. This is, man, this is what happened. Yeah. This is exactly as brutally honest, as much egg on my face as there is. But, I mean, it just was not probably handled the best it probably could have been. I mean, because all it did was just shine a light on a,

just a system that's, you know, broken. I mean, it just like, how can you have these? And he's like, well, you know, you admitted to it. It was like, yeah. But like, there's no avenue for advocacy from the, to try to help you out. It's like, oh, you told me you did it. So, you know, here you go. You're out.

There was no understanding of like, why did you do this or so no one will ever do the right thing ever again. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, of course. That's the worst thing you can do. We literally go from, you know, whatever day that was in Tori to a week later. and I do what they ask us to do

and I kind of feel like I got hung out to dry. You know, I was fully exempt and I was a good guy doing the right thing. So it kind of promoted all the stuff, but then you look at it now, it's like, why'd they do that? Why'd they shine a light on a policy that has so many flaws in it?

And, you know, but ultimately, like, I've said in a bunch of interviews, like my, like, ignorance is not an excuse. And, I mean, unfortunately, that's what I dealt with. And I was the person, that needed to deal with it and I dealt with the consequences. It's not an excuse, but you also weren't trying to gain an advantage.

You reported yourself from something you got at Kroger, by the way, or whatever. You can't get horse steroids at frigate Kroger. And also when it's reported, you see it when it happens, like across the bottom ticker, golf channel, whatever. Like, Scott Sallings receives suspension for Bansup. Like, that's it, period. Like, you read that and you know nothing about the story. You're like, oh, dude's taking steroids or something like that. You know, they have no idea about the context.

And so that's probably the initial, like, negative, you know, or like, you. you see guys get interviewed as far, oh, we got a guy suspended for a banned substance. Like there's no, it was just cut and dry, band substance. He suspended. Like, no one dug into like what it was until Rex, Hoggard and a few other people started kind of doing a little bit more research as far as, man, what really happened here. Yeah. You know, we're not really getting all the answers.

We're, especially when we ask about it. And so I was pretty open. It was like, man, this is what I did. This is what happened. You know, everything kind of taken in. and, you know, I got to take it a little bit of time off. How do you feel about them making it public? Do you think it should be public or no?

I think it should be public. Like, I mean, if you're going to do something, like, if I go get arrested, I mean, I can't be like, hey, please don't tell anybody. Like, I mean, it's the same thing. I mean, I just, you know, the same way that your scores and everything, like you can't really shy away from it. And, you know. It just seems to me like with the, like with, if you look back at all the PED tests we've had,

and there's not many. but it's just like there's not going to be any superstars in there like it's just and you're a great player you've won three times on the pGA tour but and then there's i think i believe doug baron is another guy that got suspended for beta beta blockers bj some elk the whatever the elk thing was to spray or some shit yeah and then bittal on the corn fray tour it's just like i'm my question is do you think they put everything out there i mean just judging by what i have seen with my own I mean, I essentially gave them something on a silver platter. It took them four months to make a decision on what they were going to do about it.

And then I had, I pleaded the entire time for a one-on-one. Yeah. And just like, man, like, we're not going to go through intermediaries here. Like, let me deal with this. And that's probably why, you know, I'm not going to say Commissioner Fincham did anything. I mean, that was just the way he operated, man. I mean, it's just kind of old-school way of dealing with it. And, I mean, that was the way that he operated, and which is fine.

And that was his way to choose to lead. But I would say that Jay would have probably handled that situation completely different as far as coming alongside. And man, like, what are we dealing with here? Like, tell me where you're coming from. You know, and he probably the first person to say, are you okay? Yeah. Which would never even like a consideration.

The thing I didn't know is that they told you, like, pick when you want to be suspended. Like, I know football players that get tested for things. And they don't be like, hey, dude, tell us what game you'd like to be suspended after. you want to play this big one and get you in the playoff? And, you know, like that almost leads me to believe that they knew like, hey, this is not, we got to act on something because it is a ban something, but it clearly wasn't a try to gain an advantage. When is that April? And my suspension didn't go into effect until July.

Wow. So I got to play all that knowing. So John Yarbrose my caddy, Colt, you know him well. I get done. And he knew I was doing something. with the commissioner, nothing to the extent of what ended up because I just thought I was like, man, I'm going to have it out

and, you know, kind of let them decide what they want to do. We went to have dinner. And, I mean, I'm sure I acted super weird the whole time because I was still in such shock. And we sat in some coffee place in some random place in New Orleans that night. And I said, I just got this letter and I handed it to him.

And he was like, are you kidding me? That's tough, yeah. Just a weird thing, man. As a perception, Colt asked you like, what was the reaction from the players? Have you noticed it, like, changing over time when they learned the story? The complete opposite of the initial, because you see like a ticker and it's like, oh, man, guys did something screwed up or whatever. But then you start to find out about it.

And so fast forward a little bit during that time, John went and caddied for Bill Haas at Eastlake into a championship. And I'm getting ready to come back. Like, I've been playing and practicing. and like everything's starting to kind of a little bit more, like I can just go away. Like no one really thinks about it. But as it starts to come back, so John goes in case for Bill,

and they're playing in the proam, and Bill basically asked John, he's like, I want to know what happened. Like, tell me what took place. And next thing, you know, Bill's got a couple guys from the tour and be like, I don't understand this. Like, how does this happen?

But, you know, the perception of, you know, kind of how it was presented and, you know, what truly took place. was just completely different. But it was a time in my life. I don't necessarily say that I enjoyed, but it probably made me who I am today and probably made me a little bit more resilient

and kind of just dealing with some adversity. I mean, would I rather not gone through it? Probably so. But I probably wouldn't be who I am today if I did do with it. You said, by the way, it led you to what you are today, which is you lost 55 pounds or whatever it is. So, I mean,

you went to see a day. doctor about that this happens and then this just leads i'm guessing you just decided you know what now's the time i'm going to start changing my body and try to get healthy yeah and golf was never the priority you know it was always um you know let me be the husband and father my kids deserve and you know i had you know kind of neglect kind of like everyone's idea if i play good i can kind of do whatever i want and you know kind of deal with it as it comes but then i just started to do it like everyone's idea if i play good i can kind of do But then I just started feeling worse and worse. And, you know, you get done, it's like, man, I'm 30 years old.

I should not feel like this. And, you know, started putting the pieces together. And, I mean, I'd always kind of worked out a little bit. But, you know, there wasn't ever like really like any kind of structure as far as diet, nutrition, or understanding what cause what. And I had some good people come around me and kind of lay out some groundwork as far as how to go and, you know, incrementally get better. And, you know, it kind of all piece together.

but I had the time off to kind of be able to do those kind of... 90 days to get right. 90 days, exactly, to be able to kind of figure it out. But to be honest, like, if I don't know if I would have taken that time, I would have probably just been, you know, riding on empty and just, you know, smoking mirrors and, you know, trying to figure it out. And, you know, I got able to time to step away and, you know, figure it out.

And, you know, I had a lot of really good people help and kind of point me in the right direction to get me to where I am today. I know you say your number one goal is to being the best husband and father. You could be trying to get healthy for that. But golf is your profession. And it is how you make money. It is how you support your family. Was there ever a worry?

Because we've seen guys who go through big transformations and then their golf game really, really struggles. Was there ever worry at all about that? There's probably always in the back of your mind. Like, man, I'm making some huge changes. I mean, the heaviest I was was 252 pounds. The lowest I got to was 177. and, but I mean, that was like years, like when it kind of all figured out.

But the initial, like, drop was like 50 pounds, you know, probably, you know, when I got to about 200. When you start getting down the 170s and you're my size, people will come up to you like, how much longer you got? And that was kind of when it needed to change. You need to learn to lift a little bit and kind of figure it out. But I think when you start looking at it, you know, now I kind of feel like I got a second chance. You know, I love my job. I think I have the best job in the world and something I've wanted

to do my whole life. You know, it probably made the bad days a little bit easier to deal with and the good days more enjoyed. And I think that that's kind of the perspective that I have. I mean, I don't like going out there shooting 75, but the day the 65s are enjoyed a lot more because you look at it and truly like how much you do love and appreciate it. And, you know, for a sense, kind of felt like it got taken away for a little bit. but how much longer I'll play on tour I hope it's a long time I'm gonna enjoy every bit of it

yeah it's like a new lease where is your playing weight right now I'm about 200 I'm pretty good about right when you get down to one dude you're talking like my weight and you see my legs I mean they are freaking beasts but they're skinny beasts you know that's like Alice Byers Club type of shit

yeah I think when a couple guys are like are you feeling okay yeah like kind of the other way Eat this granola. Yeah, like trying to like feed me while I'm out there is a little bit. But I mean, you kind of, you learn a system that works and, you know, kind of a way to eat and kind of way to train. And, you know, that's all you do. And then you adapt and, you know, continue to get better.

And but that was like the first conversation. Like, why do people keep asking me that? And then I hadn't seen any pictures. Like, oh, man. Like, all right, let's change. It's different. Yeah. Well, you got to die.

And we talked about earlier, like, you know, tigers, all of us our age. I mean, we thank Tiger for everything, but, I mean, he brought fitness into the game of golf, and now, I mean, what you've done has been unbelievable. What Bryson DeShamo has done is just kind of taking it to a whole other level. Give me your thoughts. I mean, because I know you're a guy that you know what you're talking about when it comes to this stuff.

It was your thoughts on what you think about what he's done. I mean, he's gone the other way. He's bulked up and added a bunch of weight. Yeah, I think, though, you know, just understanding, like, you know, just the physics of how it all works. Like you do need a little bit of mass. Like when I got down low, that was the slowest I've ever swung at my life. And so like understanding, you know, whatever you want to call it, mass is power,

just kind of a way to look at it. But, I mean, like being strong and resilient is not bad in any situation. But, you know, you can say whatever you want. It's impressive to see, you know, how you take the way that he did play the game to the way that he plays it now. and in a relatively short amount of time. And this has nothing to do with the training aspect, but literally to go from a guy that was barely touching 170

to the guy that's got 200 mile an hour ball speed, like it's super impressive, and he's played at a high level. So you can say whatever you want about the way he goes about it and there's personality or whatever, but the game speaks for itself. Like you can't hide it. And, you know, once that ball goes in the air, and it's kind of no way to beat around the bush,

It's been very impressive to watch And I mean it's kind of changed the way that a lot of guys Look at the game I was gonna say do you think this is the way like now This is what like kids growing up they're gonna be like Okay I need to do that if I want to be at that top level I don't know you see I mean Cameron Smith's 175 mile hour ball speed guy And you know

You just shot 34 under On the same course that you know relatively Bryson should have a huge advantage Yeah especially calm wins So you know Around the green is probably still most important but the ability to fly at 350s, it never hurts. But you see Rory too. I mean, Rory comes out and says he started trying to chase it,

and the next thing you know, you start dropping from knee height every now and then, and it really starts to affect the score. So he's got a method as far as works best for him, and he's seen, you know, a different side of the game that's, you know, probably put the game in it in a unique spot in terms of just the way that guys look at it. And, you know, I'd say guys think about it, whether guys pursue it or whatever.

That's kind of up to them. But it is very, and it's cool for us, anyone that has any kind of idea of fitness and golf, like it's cool to see that there's just like with the way that we all play and we all swing completely different. There's not just one way to do it. It's kind of finding what works best for you and kind of figure out the best way to deal with it and kind of go from there. Yeah. What he did in that short amount of time. And also, like, the thing that gets lost in this is he's actually hits the first,

away two percent of the time more now than he did prior to all this which that's I mean swinging fast everyone go out there and probably swing out of control and swing faster but you're gonna lose some weird ones he actually is more accurate statistically than he was prior at all that and that gets kind of lost in the shuffle sometimes 100% because all you see is like all the like all the yeah like whatever you want to call it right before but then when it comes down to it like and you then you look at it from slow moan like if you take him like out of the picture you see like how the club works you're like kind of hard to like Yeah.

You can't argue with that. And there's not many weird ones going like this way. Dude, he hits it sickening straight for how far it is. Yeah. I mean, it's crazy. We could talk about it all day. Should we get to the E9? All right.

100%. You got to get to the E9. All right. You don't have any more questions about all that. I felt like the wheels were spinning. Well, there's a lot of them. They still are. You answered a lot of them in the middle of all this.

I want to know how I can get bigger, more jack than start hitting seeds because I don't think my time is up. Just yeah, I think you school could be in my future. You know what I mean? After what we saw the dry heave. Shit feels pretty good. I hit the green of the dry hive. Chunk Cook with the blob wedge.

Yeah, you have the best amateur, I guess when you're really interested to see where this is going. I like where we're going. When you continue. Basically, what was it? Woodlands, second stage. Oh, yeah. You had reapplied for your amateur status before you got to the area. Yeah, that was in Dallas, actually.

I showed up. I didn't play a practice round. I was like, what am I even? I went on a vacation. This is great planning. And I got the key. I was like, I was already signed up. I was like, I don't really want to go,

but you can't get your money back now at this point. I was like, I'm done playing. I'll just go to this thing. I didn't play a practice round for Kew School. I showed up at a caddy. I was like, there's a couple janky assholes. I was like, I don't even know what to do. What am I doing?

Wow. Yeah, I think the next day. Never heard that story. Yeah, yeah. I tried to get out of Q school and I wouldn't give my money back. So I was like, screw it on. Before he had basically exited the premises. Once the tournament was, he had already applied for his amateur status.

It's beautiful. Yeah. As he is at Q school. I tried to get out and they're like, nope, dude, it's too late. You got to go. I was like, all right, here we go. Here we go. Let's spin the wheel.

Let's this whole do. I don't care. Give me the driver. Screw it. It gives the shit. Let's go. That's beautiful. All right, let's get to the E9.

I know you listen so you know this first question. You can trade lives with anyone, dead or alive. Be them for a day. Who's it going to be? I don't know. Someone way smarter than me. I think just the way we talked about before, like I think like an Elon Musk or something like that

that truly is trying to solve all the world's problems. Like I don't know if I'd want to be that for a long time because if you listen to any of his interviews, he seems like almost like a tortured soul a little bit, but obviously he's brilliant. And just the way that he looks at the world because I'm pretty simple dude and kind of be an interesting way to look at,

especially with all the craziness we're dealing with now. It was brilliant minds. I try to take my word for it. It's not, you know, the cakewalk that it appears to be. All right, here we go. You and Bryson. You're in Players Dining, right? Buffet line.

You're both walking up at the same time. You definitely made this. There's one piece of meat remaining. You both reach for it at the same time. A little piece of filet. Nice piece, a lot of protein. Who's coming away with it? I don't know.

Probably who's there the first. I mean, you're both in there. You're like two dogs, like a lady in the tramp. I probably just take it straight with my hand and just put it right in there. Just say, yeah. You want this? You try to get in there with a fork. I just pick it up.

Okay, you just go with the hand? I probably just take it in there. Just raw. Okay. I just want to know who's coming away with that because that's a couple of beefy dudes that like their meat. I want to know who's getting it.

All right, number three. We talked earlier, you know. You've missed a few cuts in your day. Correct. You're on the PGA tour. Give me the best city on the tour to miss a cut in. I don't know.

You know better than me. Well, yeah, I do know. But I want to know your opinion. Oh, that's a good. I want to know Staling's opinion. Oh, man. The West Coast has its... San Diego's great.

Yeah, anywhere that's, you know, you don't miss many out there, though. Yeah. Yeah. But I just think like anywhere, I mean, I grew up and live in Tennessee, so different, you know, somewhere that I would, you know, if I'm anywhere close and I miss a cut to Knoxville, but I'm there, I'm not, I'm not hanging around. But somewhere where I travel out there, I mean, obviously pebble and everywhere on the West Coast is beautiful, but I can hang out in San Diego.

A little Saturday night in the tap room when you don't have to play on Sundays. It's pretty fun, too. A little tapy tap. I got a little wine cell out there. All right, this is for the golf heads out there. because I know you're a big collector of Scotty Cameron head covers. I just tried to file some insurance for that today. That is shockingly a lot more difficult than people think.

You got those insured? Well, after I started posting about that, I was like, man, someone's going to try to rob my house. Take my word for it. These scumbags are out there, bro. Yeah, true. You know what I mean? But trying to figure out like how you determine value. Value on those?

And then figuring out like the volume and stuff like that. So, sorry. How many you got? I got a few. Like you got a rough estimate. We won't give you your address out here. Of putters? Putter covers.

I mean, you got a ton of putters, but you've got probably more covers, I would imagine. Well, in the 100. Like, over 100. Over 100. What's the most rare, like, if you were going to sell one, the world, and you're out of money, I got to sell all my covers. What's the most expensive? Or, like, the most rare one.

Probably, like, the leather stitch, Circle T one. The Circle T's, people freak for that. Cameron Smith has a red one, and I have a black one. I don't know how him and I both got one of those. but it was just kind of an odd circumstance, but, you know, it's not the coolest-looking one, but it's probably- It's like the trophy. Like you don't throw it on your butter and go out there.

It's like put it in a case or something, like a pair of Jordans that they don't make one of or whatever. It would definitely be that. I used to have some of those don't anymore. All right. Darren Clark, another guy who lost a lot of weight, but he tends to fluctuate quite a bit. He goes back and forth a lot, and he's open about it.

He's like, yes, but he's got like, he goes, I got a fat section in my closet and the skinny section of my closet. Does Scott Stalling still have any of his fat clothes left? No, I have some pants that we moved recently. I had some clothes that kind of made the transition that maybe probably shouldn't have, and I put them on. I actually got some suits remade. And I went to this place in town, lifetime alterations.

I'm like, all right, we're about to see. So I take this suit in. And this was probably right in, like, the true heaviest I've ever been. And I'm breaking in. And the guy put it on and the guy comes out. He's like, we're not miracle workers. We can't take 12 inches out of the inside. He's like, there's no way this is for you.

And it's got my like my initials like on the coat and the inside of the coat or whatever. He's like, I wouldn't even know where to start. Would your granddad give you a bunch of suits? Yeah, it was wild. That's awesome. That was probably the last thing I, from the olden days. From the old days. Well, I'm going to stay on that same topic here.

He's talking about analytics, right? We're going into analytics. So I know you're an analytics guy. it's the question about that Scott Stalling's 1.0 okay little heavier set three wins on the PJ tour put it in the database right 2.0 Scott Stallings brick shit house Scott Stallings

a lot of good golf but no wins is it maybe time to pack some pounds back on according to the analytics which is what everybody does no we're not I'm in a good spot I went from probably up here to probably too small and like probably to whatever I mean 177 that's exactly what I was

so watch your mouth. I think, you know, I'm in a good spot now. You know, I feel like I can kind of do whatever, you know, golf feels good, had a good fall and, you know, looking forward to the rest, but I kind of feel like I can do whatever and kind of found that kind of happy medium. You know, I can enjoy things like this. I can not have that. I can, you know, enjoy a good meal.

I can eat super clean for a long time, you know, and kind of find that balance throughout life is, you know, kind of what I was going for. I didn't really have that. And hopefully that leads to some better golf and more opportunities to get a little bit more maybe this 3.0. That's a good point.

It could be at 3.0. This is where the analytics gets tricky. Sometimes it's misleading. All right. Next question. Which PJ Tour player would surprise the listeners at home that actually gets after it pretty hard in the gym? You know, you're out there in the trailer.

I'm not a real big trailer guy. Yeah, I know. He's got to go to the special like cross-pit, throw finger blocks over buildings. type shit like rogan he trains with rogan uh someone that gets in the gym that people would not um i'd say like sneaky like like a tyler duncan like no one would ever think that i agree he's got a pretty good engine we've trained together a few times um and like someone that you wouldn't necessarily see like all right you know that guy's decently like looks like he's in good

shape but like a lot better than like what he like physically looks like TD I was going to say Justin Thomas might be a sneaky one because he's kind of skinny dude but he does a lot of like I gauge everything off Instagram if you're not posting your shit on Instagram I assume you're not doing it period yeah so so okay you know what I mean that's that that's your baseline yeah that's it if you're not proving it to me I start posting like 90% of my workouts because people would be like you can't do that you can't do that you're like all right so i just post like very very very little you're like all right i trained today that was kind of it then you start getting the specifics and you're just then you start dealing with experts yeah then you do your form socks or whatever

like shut out everyone's expert i've never commented on one of those no i think your form looks great i'm gonna start posting pictures of me napping like about to go down for two hours boys join me just so people know yeah all right you're huge boston sports fan okay i need your opinion on this do you think the success of Mac Jones this year proves that Tom Brady is just a system quarterback and a product of Belichick's genius. Not really even. No. Just a system guy, like a Texas Tech quarterback, they throw for a million yards. No. I think it's a good combination because you would say that like talent was, like just true physical talent that a system of like being a New England fan, like would we say that Cam Newton is more physically talented than Mac Jones?

physically? I don't know. I saw pictures of Mac in the locker room after he looks pretty. You don't skip the gym. Well, but just in situations of like, pure physical ability on the course, but then obviously there's a lot more understanding

that goes to when you get to that level. But you can make, there are a lot of similarities between Mac Jones and Tom Brady, but you pick him in a system of where he plays in Tampa and there's all that is it Brady, is it Belichick? Man, they're both pretty great. I'm saying. They're both pretty damn good.

Yeah. They're both great in their own right, but the similarities. But you get a lot of Macdon throw it over 10 yards very often. And you see a bunch of things like that. It's very rare to see him throw the ball deep. You see a lot of checkdowns, a lot of dump-offs. And then they've got a decent amount of receivers in that Hunter Henry man. Like New England loves a tight end, and they've got a – he's great.

He is good. You go see a lot of him. The jury is still out on Brady. I don't know if his legacy has been sealed yet. He's a question mark guy. I saw a thing today that said Aaron Rogers' legacy in the NFL is in jeopardy based on how he plays in the playoffs. Okay.

That guy's, okay. Okay. I mean, one of the greatest. So is Tigers. We'll see how he bounces back from this latest. Yeah. Okay. All right.

Last one. Which current PGA tour player would you least want to have you spot you in the gym? In the gym? Yeah. You're doing some heavy squats. Like I'm heavy. Heavy squats. You got to have someone spot units.

He's got me. I'm maxing out one rep. This could be the end of my back. And you're like, oh my God, this guy's behind me. I'm screwed. If something goes wrong. Sungjay. Sung Jay.

That's sleaz's guy. Oh, I love him. The big Korean weapon, dude. I mean, he is unbelievable. Like, just the fact that he plays 100 tournaments a year and plays great at them all. But I just see that if that bar is going to crush my neck on like a bench, he's just like see later.

Sorry. I'm out of here. Like, I got to go practice. You made your own bed, bud. Yeah. Sungjay would be...

I love that. Did you have one of mine? No, I just think it went on the CT pan. I thought... Because Koufak said that, I think on something about a bar fight, like who would you least...

What would we have? Who would you least want to have on your team in a bar fight? And he said CT fan it up. When I did this, I was like, CT might get mentioned twice. Poor guy.

Yeah. He's probably a unit. A sneaky unit. We don't even know it. Oh, I love it. Well, Scott Stallings, it's been a blast, dude. Thanks so much. Yes, sir. Appreciate you, brother. Thank you guys for having me.

And that was Scott Stallings, joining us on golf subpar. Just an unbelievable transformation of his body, well documented. It's crazy what he has done. But, you know, it's something that he needed to do. I mean, he was obviously not in the healthiest spot, and he decided to, he went all in. He committed, he changed, but just a crazy story. Obviously, I think the thing a lot of people will take away is the suspension from the PGA tour for the, you know, a banned substance, which kind of got a raw deal in my opinion,

Lise. Yeah, it just goes to show you all your kids out there. Honestly is the worst policy. If you do something that you think, oh, maybe there's an issue with this and you turn yourself in, you're going to get suspended for as long as you would, even if you were trying to get away from it, even when it's doctor prescribed.

So that was a weird deal. I got some new info on that that I was unaware of previously. But at the end of the day, I don't think that's not like a black guy on his reputation or anything like that. It was from a doctor who's trying to get healthier. And it just so happened. There's a lot of stuff. band on the PJ tour that probably people don't realize. But he's turned his body around. His game is

very good. He's probably a three-time winner. If you had to say name all the guys that have won three times or more on the PJ tour, his name isn't one that fires up all the time. But as we get into our picks this week, I'll tell you what, when the weather is terrible, it's cold, it's windy, it's nasty. Scott Stong's is a guy that I love to play during those weeks. He just grinds it out. He's got one of the best stingers on tour. And he just kind of embraces that grind it out. mentality on the golf course. So that's a little nugget for future gambling. All right. I like it. And we have been rather hot lately. But how about him hating on your man Sung J.M said he doesn't want him spotting him in the gym? What does Sung J. ever do, man?

The guy just wants to hit flush irons and, you know, it seems to be working. If I'm Sung Jay's coach, I wouldn't tell him to do shit other than what he's doing right now. It seems to be working. That was great. I love it. I thought for sure he was going to CT pan there. I was waiting for it. I was like, here it comes. Poor CT. He never even gets a chance to defend him. We got to get him on one of these days and let me go back at these muscle men. Well, Sleys, it's time to get to our picks, and we have been on an absolute heater with our people over at Fandall, the best sports book in all the land. We're on to the AT&T, Pebble Beach Pro Am this week. But it's also the Super Bowl is coming up, Sleys, and Fandall Sportsbook is an official sports betting partner of Super Bowl 56.

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He's just, he's got a vibe to him that I just, I'm all about. And it is the Bengals, I believe, are just a team of destiny right now. You're liking the Bengals. I mean, dude, who's not liking Gerald Borough right now? He's like the it guy. He's got what I like to call the it factor. Seems like everybody's piling in on him. And as bad as his O line is, somehow he just keeps winning games and keeps making plays.

I just, I got a real concern with his safety going up against the Rams front floor. There's some killers on there. And it's just how long can he continue to do it? But, excuse me, I'm all, I want the Bengals to win, but my heart is telling me Rams. Okay, so you're going the Rams. I'm going the Bengals. You know, this is so much fun. There's so much stuff to bet on the Super Bowl.

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What are, how do you normally prefer to watch the Super Bowl? this year, hopefully just alive. Hopefully just somehow still alive after the week. But yeah, there's a little, we're going to have a little gathering, a little party after that Sunday walk up, the 18th fairway, get that thing done. It is a long week, but then it's going to go straight into the Super Bowl. And I mean, next year, it's going to be Super Bowl in Phoenix. So it's going to be a big time, big time week.

But I'll just be with some boys trying to recover. I'll probably have an IV attached to the arm at some point during the day. But when it comes to gambling, I'll tell you one thing I'm 100% betting colt. over Cooper Cup receiving yards. Seems like people have to figure out that this guy catches a lot of balls, maybe key in on him. So I know I'm loading. It could be 217 yards over under,

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Not the best field. Got a lot of guys heading over to Saudi for a little cash grab, but Daniel Berger is your defending champion. We've got Patrick Cantley, high-stranked player in the field, only top 10 players in the field, to be exact. But let's stay hot, man. Let's stay focused. another win here soon for the boys. Want everybody to be stacking that cash with Fandall. And Sleaz, for my guy, I'm going to go with a man who has an incredible record around on Pebble Beach. Seems to top 10 at every single time he teased it up here. So I really do like a top 10 bet on this guy.

But as far as an outright winner, I'm going Jason Day at 18 to 1. played really nice at the farmers last week. I think he keeps that rolling here at Pebble Beach. Yes, great to see Jay Day back in the mix down there at the farmers. Don't hate that pick at all. we know what the putter in the short game stay happy and keep swinging the way you did down there. It's not going to be long until he gets back in the winter circle. Love that bet. I'm going a little further down

the odds list for both of my picks. Normally do kind of like a favorite, you know, dark horse type of deal. I'm going right kind of tweener zone for both of these guys. First one I'm going to give you Cameron Tringali at 22 to 1. Okay, so he finished seventh here last year. He's got good for him around Pebble Beach. He was third last week at Torrey Pines. And he's finished top seven in three of his.

his last five start. So his form is good. He just feels like, Colt, one of those guys that just can't get over the hump. He's always there. He's quietly makes a ton of money every year on tour quietly. He has a lot of top 20s, top tens, things like that. Doesn't get a whole lot of pub because he never gets in the winter circle. I just think eventually this guy's got to find his way in there because he gives himself too many chances to not get it done. And I think a place like this at Pebble, where it's not the, like you said, not the strongest field in the history of golf is a great chance for that to happen. So first pick, Cam Tringale, 22 to 1. And most

money ever won without a win in PJ tour history. So, I mean, he's going to get a win at some point. Yes, that's good record and a bad record to have. Yeah. All right. For a dark course, you know, we like to get this value here with Fandu, trying to make you some extra money. And this guy's been playing unbelievable golf ever since he came on golf subpar. Went over to Hawaii, top 10 at both weeks. Had a couple weeks off now. I don't see why he doesn't contend. I'm kind of surprised by these odds, to be fair. I think Pebble Beach is a perfect place for him. Not the longest golf courses, small grains. He's a great putter. Kevin Kisner at 50 to 1. Yes, we'd love to see Kizzie get in that winter circle. And you're right, dude, it is a great golf course for him. You don't have

to overpower. You don't have to hit bombs. Feel like this is a place where he could thrive. And that would be a very popular win for us here on subpar, but also just for everybody out there that loves kids. For my second one, I'm going kind of in the same range as my first one. This guy also very quietly playing some really good golf. Shamest Power is going off at 27 to 1. Dude, he's finished in the top 15, top 15 and six of his last seven starts. I mean, he seems to always play well. He's always, you look on Sunday, you might not see him on the coverage a whole lot or see a whole lot of his shots, but the first, second page of the leaderboard,

dude, he's there all the time. And I just feel like he is really trending quietly to sneak up and start winning some golf terms and send his one before. But like, he just is playing, it's hard to play that well that many weeks in a row without like contending getting yourself in the hunt. And I think he's got a really good chance of doing it this week with this field. I like it. Let's keep this thing rolling.

We've been rather hot lately, and I want to keep it going. I want to make all you people out there a lot of money with Fandall. Make sure you go download the Fandul Sportsbook app and get amongst it. By the way, I love all the guys, all the fans out here last week, Farmers Insurance yelling get amongst it, birdie juice, all the stuff. Saw a couple birdie juice hats in the crowd, Sleeze. Yes. Next week, WM Phoenix Open.

We're going to be there. Hopefully everybody comes up and says hi. But as always, thanks to everyone for listening. had a lot of fun with Scott Stalling. He's got another great episode coming to you next week with Hank Haney. You're not going to want to miss it. Everybody have a great week, and we'll talk to you on next week's golf subpar.