Subpar - Sean O'Hair Interview: Battling Tiger Woods at Bay Hill, Michael Jordan's impact at the 2009 Presidents Cup

Episode Date: August 25, 2020

On this week's episode of GOLF's Subpar, 4-time PGA Tour winner Sean O'Hair joins former PGA Tour pro Colt Knost and his close friend and on course rival Drew Stoltz for an exclusive, in-studio interview. The 2005 PGA Tour Rookie of the Year talks what it was like battling Tiger Woods at Bay Hill, how Michael Jordan impacted the 2009 Presidents Cup team as an assistant coach, and his experiences playing with Anthony Kim over the years.

Hello world. Welcome to this week's episode of golf subpar. Colt Nost and Drew Stoltz coming to you after the first week of the FedEx Cup playoffs, the Northern Trust and Slees, it was a blowout to say the least. Yeah, if you forgot what it looks like when DJ is clicking on all cylinders, here's a little friendly reminder. It's unbeatable. I mean, that was a joke. 30 under par. T to green, T, to Green, T, to Green, plus 18. The most in 13 years since they've been doing it. So there's a lot of talk about, I don't like to see. in minus 30 win and playoffs and that's too far under. They could have played that on any golf course in the world. He might not have shot 30 under, but he would have won by a ton. It was literally the best ball striking we've seen in over a decade. He led in every single category that mattered throughout the week, cruised to victory. And like you said, this is what we expect when Dustin Johnson is firing on all cylinders.

It was one of those career weeks where he blew away the field. Not many people win by double digits, but Dustin did it. He moved back to number one in the world. Does this bother you how much the world golf rankings keep fluctuating throughout? It seems like week to week to week. week we have a new player world number one you were even there for a moment i was there and it was a hell of a week hell of a week it's a bittersweet to me for me to talk about this right now but i don't know if i have a problem with it i just think it doesn't mean quite the same thing that it did 10 years ago i mean

right now i think if you look at it who is the world number one i mean right now it's dj it changes every single week but i would argue that there's probably five guys right there than on any given week they're the best player in the world and it's just more competitive at the top right now than i i think it has been in a long time i've thought of something they need to put in play and i haven't told you this yet. What's that? Okay, so at the start of the week, there's a certain amount of world golfing or world golf ranking points available, correct? Yeah. So let's just say if Dustin Johnson wins the Northern Trust, he gets 50 ranking points. Okay. When you win by 11, you should get a bonus. Right. You should get some more points because you slap the field so bad, I think you should

get a bonus. If you win by more than five shots, you get a certain point bonus. Tick it up a little bit. Yeah, because that's different than winning, beating Colin Moore or Calh in a playoff. Yeah, well, definitely. I think there's only two guys on the PJ tour that I've seen that have that type of ability to go run away and hide by double-ditches. Well, I don't care who it is. I'm just saying if you win by that big of amount, it's different than just winning. Yeah, I think so. Okay, fair enough.

But on the playoffs, if an NBA team wins by 30, should they go up two to zero instead of one to zero? No, but if the NFL team wins six games in a row, they can create a six-game lead. They can create a big cushion that other teams can't catch up to. Okay, I'm not mad at this. I think there's only two teams that can really do it. And I like that because there's 11-shot victory. We don't see too many of those. What do you think about the minus 30 winning?

Is are you like these golf courses need to be harder? Does that bother you? Well, I've played there and I never thought that place was that easy. It doesn't look easy. I mean, it's not short. I think just with the weather we've had on the PGA tour this year since the return, it seems like every single week the greens are soft, there's no wind, and it's hot. So the ball's going forever, which this last week it was crazy because the fairways were

bouncing and the greens were crazy soft. Greens were spinning back. I was like, dude, if you're going to throw no wind in the mix, there's not a golf course. These guys won't kill. Yeah, exactly. When you're playing a no win and you tell a PJ tour player, one of the best players in the world, I need you to land this ball at 163, they come pretty close to land it around there. When they don't have to worry about the ball releasing or anything like that, and yet the greens are in good shape so you can make puts. You're going to have low scores.

But, I mean, I said this earlier today. Would it bother you if 19 under par won that golf tournament? Yeah, take DJ out of the mix since he was on a different planet than everybody else, obviously. Eliminate him from it. Boom. Now you go down to second place 19 under. It looks exactly like the scoreboards have looked at TPC Boston for a number of years. Yeah, you have a hell of a tournament.

teens and you got a shoot out and there's a lot of guys in the mix so i don't know that much can be made of the minus 30 i would like i mean would i love to see a 10 to 12 under type of deal winning every week in the playoffs yeah but unless you get a crazy golf course and get some help from other nature these guys they're just too freaking good they are they're ridiculous i mean that's what i hate like you don't give the players enough credit like these guys are superstars they are just so much better than everyone else in the world and they continue to get better and i think just you're going to continue to see better and better scores throughout the pGA tour there's there's not much they can do They can roll the ball back.

Guys are still going to hit it a mile. It's not going to change the scores that much, in my opinion. You just have to have, I mean, the only way I can think of is you've got to shrink the fairways, grow up the rough and firm up the greens. That's the only way fast green or firm greens are the number one. Any golf course can get tougher with that. But, I mean, if Dustin Johnson's hitting at 3.30 down most fairways in the middle of fairway, he's going to get at whatever flag you put out there regardless.

Yeah, and I mean, you can't do anything about Mother Nature. If it rains and dumps water down the greens and makes himself, not everywhere is a Gus National or you can suck the water out of the greens. Yeah. Unfortunately. But that's just how it is. These guys are really good. And hopefully Wingfoot will get a little bit of revenge on these guys when we go up there in a few weeks.

Like we said, Dustin Johnson, your new number one player in the world, number one in FedEx Cup. And we're off to Chicago for the BMW championship. But Sleeves, there's some other sports going on. We've got a lot of basketball going on. Got a lot of hockey going on. Dallas Stars, Colorado Avalanche. Yes. Mm-hmm.

Well, I'm going to have to lean. I'm going to have to become a huge abs fan here pretty soon. I like the abs. I don't claim to be a big hockey guy, but obviously I root for them because my nuggets are about to get balanced. announced by the Jazz in round one, which is going to kill me. So I'm going to have to latch on to something. So yeah, I'll become, I'll wear an avalan shirt next week if we win. Well, I want to wish the best of luck to you in your series and I hope you all get killed.

Let's keep it classy and I hope you guys lose four to one. Okay. Well, I think it's time to open up the mail bag. Producer Mark, we got any good questions this week. Yeah, first question comes in from Casey Young on Instagram, who also offered a bribe of taking you guys out to San Diego Country Club next time you're in town. If we ask this question. We like bribs.

I'm in. I like bribe. And building off what happened with DJ this week, he wants to know what are the best rounds that you guys have witnessed in person. Well, I can start off because I got one quickly that comes to mind. I was fortunate enough to play with one of the few players

in PJ Tour history that shot 59. I played with Adam Hadwin at what is now the American Express there in Palm Springs. Lakeita Country Club, not the hardest golf course in the world, but you still got to, you know, hit your golf on the fair, hit on the greens.

And it was 13 under. It was 13 birdies. No bogeys. made a four-footer for par after his playing partner, because it's a pro-am that week, informed him that he was leading the golf tournament, and he also had a chance to shoot 59 in the last fairway, and I wanted to kill him.

But luckily, Adam Hadwin ended up making his butt for par, shot 59, so I got to witness that, and I didn't have to kill a pro-in-law. What did Adam say when the dude comes up? I don't know if you know this, but you might break 60, which is a huge deal. Well, Adam's just so nice. He just kind of smiled and laughed, and I kind of just walked in between. And then you punched him in the nuts and said, don't ever talk again.

That's like going to the pitcher in the bottom of the eighth, like no one's gotten a hit yeah don't know if you knew that it was leave him alone it was bizarre i couldn't leave it i was like okay every sports fan of the world knows you don't mess this up yeah and it got it signs up for a pro am obviously played some golf before maybe leave it but that was definitely mine see a guy shoot 59 yeah that's a good one not many people have witnessed that i got one and mine's actually a 36 whole day but it was all in the same day i played with anthony kim at a redstone back in college with the new golf course where they played where they used to play the houston open and it was 40 something degrees freezing blowing 25 30 miles an hour i mean

just an absolutely brutal, brutal golf course. Anthony Kim went out there, and I believe he shot, I'm going to mess up the scores maybe a little bit, but he shot 9 or 10 under for the 36-hole day. Nobody else was at par or better. So we had a 10-shot lead through 36 holes, and playing with him at that point in time, that was the one time where I was like,

dude, this guy is so much, so far and away better than everybody else I've ever seen. It's not even a joke. The way he was flighting it, doing everything. It was 10-shot lead in 36 holes with some of the best college golfers, you know, in the country at the time. Like, it wasn't some little bullshit field.

It was a real deal. And I got in the band afterwards. I was like, this kid's on a different level. And it's to this day, probably the most impressive day of golf I've seen. I tell a lot of people, they ask me to this day, who's the best player I've ever played with?

And the only person I've never played in person with that's relative to the game right now is Tiger Woods. And I tell everybody it's Anthony Kim. Yeah. He does everything good. He's fearless, swings it good, puts it good. And it's a shame that he's not around the game. And if you're listening, Anthony, we've been talking,

you and I'm trying to get you to come on this show. Please, please, we need you. We are doing all we can. to get Anthony came out. We have t-shirts. We are texting, calling, reaching out to friends, doing everything. So we are making a full push to get AK in this studio at some point. Maybe we send the golf.com jet.

Maybe we send the bird. Whatever we can do. I'll come in and talk about your day at Houston at Redstone. Talk about how great you were. Producer Mark, any more questions? Yeah, we got one more for you guys. This is a follow-up on last week's Ricky Barnes interview, and it comes in from Art Vandalay on Twitter.

What a name. either of you guys think that when rookie said he didn't put on jack's jacket he was actually running around the locker room with it out the whole time well i'll go start away well he was obviously not afraid of snitching on everybody else and then airing out his story and up on the fence and going in and getting blasted in the champion's locker room so i got to think if he put it on why stop there be like yeah dude i put it on and i rolled around in it and i took it back up to the to the crow's nest for a little bit but i don't actually believe him when he said i don't think he did yeah my only thought would be he's like uh if i maybe possibly win a pj

tour event. You know, I'm still in my early 40s. Yeah, might get back. Maybe I can get back to Augustine. I don't really want to be banned from this place. But the Ricky, I know he's a rule follower. He is. I don't see him doing that. Even though I sneaky wish he did. I wish they were taking a picture both of a minute because that would go down all time. He's a rule follower minus the hopping the fence at Augusta breaking into Champions locker room and pouring drinks. Well, he couldn't get in. There was no other way to get in. It's not his fault, dude. Open up the gate for the guy staying on property, you know.

All right. His hands were tied. As always, we appreciate the questions. Keep those coming. there a lot of fun. But now it's time to get to this week's guest PGA Tour veteran, four-time winner, a guy who was kind of brought up in a little different way than a lot of the normal guys out on the PGA tour. Didn't attend college, turn pro after his junior in high school, and that's Sean O'Hare. Yeah, man, this was a really fun interview. Like you said, he's got a pretty unique story, it's a fairly well-documented story if you follow Sean O'Hare and are familiar with it, but we really get in depth here about his upbringing, turning pro at such a young age, and everything that went through it before he became the Sean O'Hare that was winning golf

tournaments on the PJ tour. It's a gnarly story, man. Yeah, it's a lot of fun. Like you said, it's very serious at the start, but then we loosen it up at the end, and we get into a lot of fun, even learn why he's kind of scared of hotel bathrooms. Yeah, there's some good stuff at the end, so stick with it. Yeah, so let's get to it. Here's Sean O'Hara and Golf Subpar. All right, we are now joined in studio by a spectacular golf talent, four-time PJ Tour winner, nine wins across the globe and the only PJ Tour pro I've ever seen. Take a divot off the first tee at Whisper Rock Golf Club. Mr. Sean O'Hare, how we doing?

Ellis, how are you? Welcome. Good to be with you. Nice to be here. Do you remember the divot off the first tee? I was so nervous. I think I haven't been the same since. I actually have jitters with my three wood from now on.

You know, it was actually a driver. I'm like, don't back this. Yeah, we've done this to. You're our second tour player. We've done this to. Graham Delette pops up his three whatever time he plays with me. Yeah, he's got the pop-up yips. We're going to fix that shit.

But by the way, we should welcome you to Scottsdale, You're newly resident. Welcome back, I guess. You kind of grew up here. It's hot as hell out here. It's hot in here, I'll tell you that, yeah. It's hot. You know, it's, it was a long, it was a long process.

Like, my wife and I were kind of talking about being out here for a long time. And finally happened. She agreed to it, you know, and we got out of Philadelphia. I mean, it seems like Philly in the winter would be a great place to really hone your skills. Yeah, it's where you tighten it up. You know what? I tell you, I really don't have anything to say about that. As hot as it is here right now, it's that cold in the winter.

So that says a lot. You know, it's just you can't do anything. And so I used to live out here when I was in high school and always loved it. And just the vibe is, it's a lot more relaxed than most places. And obviously, golf is mecca here. So love it. Let's go back to that. That's what we need is another fucking great tour pro in town that's hard to win money from.

Well, we get strokes nowadays. Yeah, I do. You, yeah, you're working your way there, too. I took it zero the other day, but. Yeah. You deserve it. You deserve it at this point. Just remember for Friday, one aside.

I don't think I've won. I don't think I've won a match since I've been here. Good. Keep that going. You know, I play with Chapi and Chez and Rom. And I'm like. There are easier games in town, like me and Colt. But, yeah, Chap.

You know, I'm used to playing against guys like 15 handicaps, you know, where I can kind of like negotiate some shit on the first tee and actually win the match on the first tee. I can't do it. that with those guys. And they just pump that ego too. Even when you hit it shitty, they think you have the best shot ever. Yeah. Yeah. Good for fluffing. It's tough. It's tough. Yeah.

The confidence has definitely gone downhill. Well, we'll make sure to make it going below. We'll boost you. Play me and Colt. We'll kill. Well, let's get back to your youth because you took a route to the PGA tour that's very few people did. You turned pro after your junior year in high school. Take us through that decision and what it was kind of like being the number two ranked junior in the world.

Well, at no point that I ever think that I ever think that I, I was going to turn pro at 17 years old. I mean, I was barely 17 when I turned pro, and that kind of goes to a little bit deeper, deeper thing. I mean, you know, I always wanted to be a professional golfer. I mean, from the time I was five years old, and, you know, it was a interesting road, getting to being second ranked junior in the country,

and, you know, and then playing against guys like Hunter Mayhan who was number one at the time. and all that stuff. And I remember playing with Sergio Garcia at seven. He was 17 and I was 15 or 14, something like that. I think he was three years older than me. And I play with this guy and I'm like, oh my God, this guy is insanely good. I mean, he had shots, ball flight, everything was so much different than mine.

And he ends up turning pro like a couple months later. And I thought that was cool, but that wasn't something I wanted to do. I wanted to go play in college golf and I wanted to go play for Buddy Alexander. And that was the game plan. And it was all set up. And my dad and I, I don't think it's, you know, a secret that, you know, how my dad was with me. And, you know, my dad traveled with me on the junior ranks there for a while. And we got in an argument and he just, he lost it.

and he told me I wasn't allowed to play junior golf anymore. And so he pulled me out of the U.S. junior, you know, and I just qualified for it. And pulled me out of the U.S. junior, pulled me out of Rolex tournament champions. And so that was the end of my junior career at 16 years old. And so we ended up going home. And I think I took, like, I don't know, somewhere around a month off. And he came up to me and he goes, hey, this is what we're going to do. we're going to go play Nike Tour qualifiers and you're not allowed to play junior golf anymore

and you're going to play you're going to play men's amateur golf tournaments and that's it and I said okay fine I mean you know I didn't argue with my dad I mean you know just you just you just didn't so um so I played uh played five Nike tour qualifiers qualified for three and um at 17 years old at 17 years old and uh made the cut, I think, in one of them at Fort Smith, Arkansas. Camp there. Oh, geez. Oh, geez.

We'll talk about this for the next hour. I'm so honored. Hard scrabble. But, you know, we were at this diner. And after we were done with it, we were going back home. And we were at this diner. And he's like, what do you think? What do you think about turning pro?

And I said, well, I didn't really think about it. I thought I was going to go to Florida. And he's like, well, you know, I think you're good enough to turn pro. And, you know, I was 17 years old. I never argue with my dad. He was pushing it hard. And so I'm like, all right, fine, sounds cool, whatever. And that was the end of that.

And had nothing to do with the fact that I wasn't ready. Had nothing to do with the – I knew what the hell I was doing. doing. I mean, I had no clue. I mean, I was a kid that had a little bit of talent and, um, and just, you know, I maybe played well at the right time and some, some bigger events. And that was it, but I wasn't a consistent player. Still not a consistent player. I mean, you know, and- So you qualified for those Nike tour events as an amateur? Yeah. See, I, oh, I didn't even know that. Yeah. Yeah. So that, that was- How long did that stretch last, where you played professional events, so I could qualify for Nike events at the time, but you were an amateur.

Just those five. Just five, and you qualify for three of them. Yeah. Wow, that's impressive. Yeah, that's hard to do. You should have turned a robot. I was a lot of qualifiers and failed. That's hard to do.

You know what was crazy about that is at that point in time in my life or my career, if you'd call it that, it was almost like I was there to play perfect golf. So I was going balls of wall, just driver every hole, going to every flag, charging every putt. And so, you know, it was one of those things where I would break a lot of course records, you know, and that would work well for qualifiers. And when I turned pro and was traveling around Nike tour for, you know, three years, you know, I'd get in, out of 22 events, I'd probably get in seven, you know, seven, eight, eight events. events, which isn't bad. It's not great, but it's not bad. But it's a totally different style of golf. I mean, when you're trying to qualify for a PJ Tour event or, you know, a Corn Ferry event, you have to shoot eight under par to even sniff a chance to get in. Well, you're not doing that

when you're getting in the tournament. You know, you're kind of, you know, you're plotting your way around and you're, you know, you're trying to place yourself, you know, you're not going to win the tournament on Thursday. You can lose the tournament, but you're not going to win it. So it's just kind of like you're taking your time and, you know, it's just totally different style of golf. So when I did qualify for an event, I just, I wasn't ready. You know, I'm playing, I'm playing podunk, you know, golf courses that are either wide open or there's no rough or there's, you know, the pens are in the middle of the greens and I'm just going at everything and trying to shoot as low as I can. And then, and then I qualify for a Nike tour event. And then, you know,

pens are tucked and there's rough and there's this. And it's like, well, what the hell do I do now? So I just, I wasn't ready. And I didn't have the right, the right support group to kind of get me ready. So basically, once I turned pro, I had three years of just pure hell. I mean, there was, there was a lot of times where I would go in the bathroom, I'd look in the mirror and I'm like, what, what are you doing? Like, I just, I can't do this shit anymore. I was miserable. And it was, it was a very dark time of my life.

And, but the positive thing was, is, you know, and I still kind of look at it even like today, is if I can get through that shit, I can get through anything. And when people talk about mental toughness, I think, you know, people have come to me or whatever through my career and said, oh, here's a guy that doesn't believe in himself. You know, I'm not, I'm not a guy that's going to have a shit ton of confidence. You know, I'm not a guy that's going to blow smoke up my own ass and tell you how great I am. That's not who I am. There's a lot of those guys on the PGA tour. That's not how I grew up. And I was taught not to grow up, taught not to be that way.

But that doesn't mean I'm weak. You know, I think mental toughness isn't about when you're playing good. Do you have the confidence to go out there and compete against Tiger Woods or compete against Rory McElroy or any of his other guys? It's more like, hey, when the shit's hitting the, fan, do you actually have the balls to hang in there and tough it out? And I think to me, that's the one thing I do have confidence in is, is I do believe that I can withstand a lot of shit. The three years you mentioned, like you were looking at yourself in the mirror like it was three years of hell. Like what made it hell other than if you were a young kid trying to play

in a grown man's game? You know, no positive reinforcement. You know, you know, You play, you miss a putt. My dad's on my ass for nine hours, you know, from the car ride, from not getting in on Monday to the next Monday qualifier, you know, and then you play a hundred rounds, you know, at that next site. And you're trying to learn every little thing. And, you know, my dad did a lot of good things for me. I'm not going to sit here and bash them.

but I tell you, he put me through the ringer. I mean, he was a tough, tough guy to be around. And, you know, just a lot of negativity. There was never like, hey, look, you know, I know, I know you didn't play the way you wanted to, but you should be proud of this or, you know, you should look at this or whatever. It was always, I shot 66, and it's like,

you fucking should have made this put, or you should have done this different, and you should have done this different and you should have shot 64. And it just, it was, it was tough, man. It just, it was three years of that. And I think when you put on top, I didn't belong.

I shouldn't have been a professional golfer. I was not ready to be a pro golfer. And the shit that comes with it, you know, I just wasn't ready for it. And at the end of the day, it's like, you know, you put a, 17-year-old or an 18-year-old or a 19-year-old in that chaos and it's not like you're on the PJ tour living the life or even on the corn fairy living in life you're in the qualifiers I

mean you're you're in red roof ends and I remember spending eight months on the road away from my mom you know and just just living in and out of a car and living in and out of shitty hotels and you know eating on you know living all fast food and And it just was a very dark time in my life. There was nothing that I liked about my life. There was nothing that, you know, that was positive about it. And that, you know, I don't really think about it too much, but it's kind of interesting talking about it. It's like, you know, I probably should think about it a lot because it would help me with my perspective now even.

Yeah. And looking back, I mean, obviously, like, I said you went a route that not many people do. And I think kids going to college, we've all played professional golf now, we've all been on the journey. Kids going to college, you learn so much about yourself, you get away from your parents and all that. Would there ever be a point you think you would recommend to a kid being like, hey, you're ready to go, you should skip college? Never. Never. You know, I've had people come up to me and ask, you know, what do you think about this?

What do you think about that? You know, what do you think about my son doing this or that? Or my daughter doing this or that. and I would never tell anybody to grow up faster than they should. I mean, look, we're adults. We know it actually, I, every day I wake up, I'm like, God, dang, you know, I wish I was 12 again, you know. Be eating my fruit loops and watching He-Man and all that. Remember He-Man?

He-Man? Yeah, I still do. You're explaining my morning routine right now. You know, the 18? Yeah, oh, dude, I loved it. And, you know, it just, I would never tell anybody to grow up faster. If you can delay it as much as you can do it. And, you know, I think my dad did it to control me.

I think he was afraid of me going to college and me getting an opinion and me basically telling him, yo, this is, I'm going to do it my way, not your way anymore. And I think looking back, I mean, that was really the reason why he did. did it. And, you know, I think he was afraid that I'd probably get involved in, you know, alcohol or women or drugs or whatever and kind of like he did in college because he was kicked out of college. And, you know, and I just, he never gave me that opportunity or that chance to prove wrong. So, you know, I think for me it was for a different reason. But I think some of these kids are that good to where they could turn pro. You know, there are, there are 17, 18 year old

you know, boys and girls that are actually good enough to turn pro. I mean, you know, Boyd Summerhays has a couple kids that are damn good. And they're probably, they're probably good enough to turn pro. And I think if I'm not wrong, I think they did. But I would never push a child or a kid to say, yo, you need to grow up and you need to grow up now to make money. I just, I don't agree with that. it's been documented but like can you explain a little bit during that three-year stretch you're talking about like what were your what was your day-to-day like you had a crazy regimen in terms of like the sun-up to sum down like what you did to get better at golf you know it wasn't I don't think it was as bad as people thought it was but I mean I would get up at 5 a.m. you know run my dad would would track a mile around around the hotel so it was actually kind of funny looking back but he was would take whatever our car was at the time. He would reset the mile gauge and he would do like

loops around the hotel parking lot to see how many loops around the parking lot was a mile. And that was the thing. It was like, all right, so, you know, you go run a mile every morning. It had to be under eight minutes. If it wasn't, you had to redo it. And then you stretch and then you go about your day. And it was a full day. I mean, it was a full day. I mean, it was a full day. And I think, you know, there was, it seemed like there was always a game plan for him with what we were going to work on, but it was always different. We never worked on the same, same things. And I think that's a big reason why I've struggled a little bit of sticking to, you know, either coaches or sticking to, you know, swing thoughts even in my career right now is

because I was brought up that way. You know, it was like, all right, today we're going to work on link two and link three and then you know and he had the david led better you know link book and it's like you know um and he had a lot of good ideas he did he had a lot of good ideas with how to how to train like he would always try and make it uncomfortable for me you know he would make up a scorecard and he would be like all right i want you to practice for two hours and i want you to go through this scorecard where it was like all right you have to throw one ball in the thick rough from this distance chip it to here make the put and it's just like you know there was there was some good ideas um but at the end of the day it just it didn't work from me that's not the style that's not who i am

like to me i'm like all right uh let's go hit balls for about 2.3 minutes and let's go play go play and that's that's just that's that's how i am and and and that's when i'm playing my best golf That's what I do. But at that point in my life, I didn't have a say. I couldn't say, hey, no, that's not what we're doing. Can you explain to me how, like, you run the first mile and it's not under eight minutes, how the hell you're supposed to run the second one? When you're fresh, you didn't get there.

Go ahead and get faster now that you're exhausted. There was, there was, that part bothers me. There was, this is funny. This is, I was a junior golfer. I think I was about 15 or maybe just turned 16. And we were playing New Orleans in August, AJGA. You're playing English turn. That is a bitch of a golf course, by the way.

And I was not playing well at the time. And at the time, my dad and I had a, you know, it was more his idea and I just agreed to it. But it was, for every shot over par, I had to run a mile that day. and but for every shot under par he had paid me 75 bucks so there was an up there was an up to it

I need way more than that and uh winning the Boston marathon dude you know think about how hot it is New Orleans August right can't be hotter I shot eight over par oh little 80 piece

so I had to run eight miles in pets right didn't you have to run them no no no no no no see these are Okay. Yeah. All right. So it's no problem. And it wasn't, it wasn't an eight air-conditioned gym.

It wasn't, it wasn't that. But I had to run eight-minute miles, eight of them, back to back. I quit. And that, that was, that was, that was, that was, that was tough. Did you beat eight-minute miles? After that, yeah. You did? Yeah.

Damn, you're an athlete. Well, back then I was. Yeah. Now I know so much. But, um, I remember, like, bagging after that. Like, we, like, please, we can't, we can't do this anymore. And I think that was probably the last, that was the last hurrah. But that was an interesting day.

That was a long day. That was a long day. You mentioned, like, you want to be a professional golfer since you were five years old. At that point in time, when you're talking about, like, was golf fun for you? Like, did you still have that same dream? Like, I want to still play a professional ball. Man, I had such a great childhood. I grew up in Lubbock, Texas.

You know, my parents were members at Love a Country Club. and I lived across the street from the third hole. And, dude, I would pack my swimsuit in my golf bag. I would walk across the street. I'd go play nine. You know, no one's on the golf course because, I mean, it was first thing in the morning. I was on that range at 7 a.m., beating balls, and then I would go do short game. And there was a cat who was the, I think he worked for you,

UPS or something like that or, I forget, he was, I think it was UPS or something like that. And he was the club chant. His name was Brad Simnacker. And he used to babysit me when I was a baby. And so I would go hang out with him. And he was probably 23, 24, 25. And I'm this, you know, 8, 9 year old kid wanting to hang around this guy because, I mean, I remember his wedge. He had this old school wedge. He had a golf ball imprinted in his wedge. He would hit so many

wedges. And this thing was so old. And I thought it was so cool. And I would just watch him. And I would mimic everything he would do. And I had, you know, I'd go play with the assistant pros. And, you know, the members there were so nice to me. You know, they weren't like, oh, who's this kid? You know, I just was so well. I had a great childhood growing up. And my love for the game, you know, I'd go play with my mom with the nine-hole ladies, and they'd stick a few clubs in my mom's bag, and I'd sit between the two women. And this was when I was real little.

I mean, I was probably five years old. And, you know, I grew up on a golf course. And, I mean, it's a great way to grow up. It is. And, but my dad was not involved. I mean, I saw my dad. if at all, I saw my dad maybe 20 minutes at night. And most of the time, he was drunk.

And, you know, that was when he was drinking. And he stopped drinking when he was, I think he went to rehab in like 95 or 96. But my childhood was all about my mom taking me to state tournaments when I was probably, you know, 10, 11 years old. And before that, I hung out at Lubb Country Club and just did my thing. and I was always kind of a loner. I didn't hang out with kids my age. I always hung out with much older people. But to me, I mean, it's what I always wanted to do, and I loved it.

And when I got bored, I'd go to the swimming pool and, you know, order a big chocolate cake, and I was happy as a clam. You know, I mean, it was a great way to spend every day. And, you know, I still look back on those days, and it brings us. a smile to my face and I love the people at that club I love a country club I still talk to a few few people from love at country club and it just always brings back great memories that's awesome let's uh should we fast forward to the PGA tour a little bit here we go you're gonna go straight through the jickeys you spend a few years on the jigs well actually I'm one quick question guru one quick

question because we all remember our first dollar we made as professional our first check where was yours and do you remember how much it was for no you don't remember no are you can't me? When you're going to for 21 years it's hard to remember. I got to tell you. I never

I never gave a shit about any of that stuff. Like to me, you know, those years are such a blur. I don't know if it's because I wanted to forget some of those years,

but I do remember I started playing mini tour, like solid mini tour golf when I was about 20. This was when I met my wife and I got away from my dad

thing and and I won a New England tour event and I think I won like $8,000. Dude, I thought I was the richest man alive. It was fantastic. I love that. I miss those days. Well, you made a little more your rookie year on the PGA tour. Yeah. You get your PGA tour card in 2005, I believe. Win the John Deere. Yep. You finished second at the buyer Nelson. Your name Rookie of the year. Did you kind of think, okay, here's the start to me becoming a superstar are in this game? Dude, I gotta be honest with it. When I went to, so my second stage, I went through all three stages of qualifying school in

2004, the winner of 2004, and made it through first stage pretty easily. And I birdied the last three holes on the final round to get through second stage on the number. Do you remember that? Oh, fuck. I do that. Did you know that I need three right now? No, it's actually kind of a funny story.

So my father-in-law was caddian for me at the time, and he and I were button heads, and so we stopped talking on the back nine of that round. Always good. And so we kind of spent, I don't know, probably three holes, not talking to one another, and I think I said something I probably shouldn't have. You know, I tend to say the first thing on my mind. You know, that's just, you know, it gets me in trouble every now and then. and and so he didn't he didn't like that and we spent a few holes not talking and and i remember on

i think it i think it was like 15 yeah it was on 15 he he's like i'm sitting there bitching i'm like here we go again because this i mean this is six time i was at cue school and and i'm like here we go again you know choking my guts out blah blah blah blah and he he looked at me and goes he goes dude why don't you stop being a you know what and and and and pull your head out of your ass, be an athlete, and let's fucking finish solid. Let's make some birdies and get this thing done. And it was the right thing, it was the perfect thing for me to hear. You know, I was feeling sorry for myself.

I was like, poor me, poor me, poor me. And it was like, he told me exactly what I needed here at the time. And so just my focus just totally changed. And then I birdie 16, birdie 17, hit like a three iron on 17 like that. I still think it's probably the best shot I ever hit my life. And then I made like this crazy eight-foot downhill slider put on the last hole to get in. And so when I went to, so I went to final stage, and I was working with the guy I'm working with now, Steve Dalby. He's out of Phoenix Country Club.

And he, you know, Dahlbs was like, dude, you know, you need to focus on getting your tour card. I'm like, screw that. Like, I'm not going to get my PJ tour card. I'm, you know, I just want a job. I just want a full-time job on the buy.com tour or whatever, whatever it was called at the time. I forget what it was called. But, and so, you know, I was kind of on the number, you know, of getting my PJ tour card on the sixth round in Q school. And I just had one of those dream rounds.

I first whole of the day, hold a seven iron for Eagle. next hole made a, made a, like a 30-foot putt, and then I chipped in later on the round and shot this, like, unbelievable round and ended up getting my PJ tour card, finished fourth and Q school. And so when I showed up at Sony, you know, I was so scared and terrified and uncomfortable. And the first fucking person I see in the locker room is Ernie Ells. Welcome. And it's like, holy. shit. And I mean, I idolize the guy. You know, I mean, he's just this massive man. And, I mean,

and I've, you know, I, I mean, I've watched this guy's golf swing, try to swing like him. And it's like, here's, here's a hero of mine. And it's like, boom, I got to play against this guy. And it was, it was, you know, each week, it was me trying to find just a comfort level. Well, didn't you finish 12th at Sony? I don't think I, I think I've missed the cut at so. I can't remember. I can't remember. I finished the first first good tournament I think I had was like Honda and I made like 77

grand and I was like on cloud nine and then like a week or two later I finished second at Byr Nelson and that was when I learned I can win a golf tournament on the PJ tour. I was in attendance when you finished second there. Yeah. Was that the first time you felt like all right I got my own money

I got my own job. I got my job security. I control what I do at this point. I bought my first, I bought my first, like, nice house after Byr Nelson. So, yeah, I kind of felt, I didn't feel established,

but I felt like, yeah, I can do some things that I've always dreamt of doing. And when I won John Deere, I bought my first sports car. What did you get? An E55 AMG. So I went, so I went to,

I went to a Dodge, dealership. Actually, one of my buddies owns that dealership now, but he didn't own it at the time. And I saw a burnt orange Dodge Viper convertible. And by the way, by the way, there's no way in the world I would have figured out how to get that thing out of the dam. When I see you, I see orange Dodge Viper. I have no idea. I have no idea how to drive your stick ship properly. Like I can get it from A to B, but I can't, I can't drive it properly. And so I'm looking at this thing. And, and, and, Guy comes out and he's like, you know, you can't afford this car. And I'm in like, I'm this skinny.

Dude, I'm 152 pounds. How old are you at this time? I'm 22. Yeah. You know, and 152 pounds, 6-2, wearing my Adidas blue, you know, gym shorts with my t-shirt, looking like a kid. And he's like, you can't afford this car. And it really kind of pissed me off.

So I went down the street the next day, bought a more expensive car and told the guy to go fuck himself. That is awesome I'll show you, bro Sorry about your commission Idiot When a kid shows up once by a car You sell him a fucking car You know, you never know

You never know he'd deal with it You never know Exactly That's true Exactly That's true Well that was your first of Four wins on the PGA tour

You could have had a few more If it wasn't for a guy named Tiger Woods Especially at That guy's good man He's really really good But yeah Let's talk about a little bit About those battles at Bay Hill

you had. I know one year you had a five-shot lead. I got to be honest with it wasn't really battle. Well, you lost by one. It wasn't a battle. It was more, I had a five-shot lead, and then Tiger does what Tiger does, and I just crumbled, you know, and, and I think, I think, I actually remember what I said to him when I shook his hand. I said, I wish I gave you, I wish I gave you more of a fight today, but, but, I mean, dude, that guy is so good. I mean, the places that he was in, I mean, he played some solid, solid golf on that front night. And this is 09 when I had a five-shot lead. And I actually played with him the final round the year before in 08.

But I wasn't leading any point in time. I think I finished third, but he ended up beating Bart Bryant, I think, that year. And or Brad Bryant. I forget which brothers. Which was it Bart? Was it Bart? Bart. So, so Sunday of, you know, of 09, I had a five-shot lead and I was, I was more nervous than a one-eyed cat in a fish factory.

And I just, dude, that's my go-to. That's my go-to. So that's my go-to. So, you know, and I just played awful. I played awful. And it was, it was nerves. I mean, it was, for me to play the way I did the first three days. and then for me to play the way I did that front nine.

I mean, it was solid nerves. I wasn't ready for that environment. And the environment was so hostile. I mean, people saying you're going to choke, you're going to do this. I mean, I've never experienced that at a golf tournament before or even after that. I've never seen anything like that in my life. And then he comes out just doing what he does and being Tiger Woods. And I think I lost pretty much my.

whole entire lead on that front nine and and then I started playing you know and I actually played pretty good on that back nine and gave him a little bit of a of a of a of a fight there but well he made the putt to win he did he did make the put but I mean it just it should have never got to that point I think you know with how I was playing at that point if I was a little bit more prepared mentally I think I would have won that tournament by three or four shots and um the way I was hitting the ball that year, I mean, I won two weeks later at Quail Hollow, and I didn't make a putt outside 10 feet,

and I won on a PJ tour. I don't think that's ever been done before. Probably not. And the way I hit the golf ball that year, I still try and do that, and it's just I've never, I think it just was one of those years where it just clicked. And I honestly, I'm not.

not to blow smoke up my own ass, but I actually think I was the best ball striker in the world that year. And it took me, and that's why I had my best year in my career, but, you know, I was a terrible putter. Didn't know how to putt. And I think my short game was suspect at best. And, you know, when I was playing against the best player that's ever played the game, so, of course, he's, you know, going to come back and...

What does Tiger say when you go to him and say, I'm sorry? I'm sorry, I didn't give you a better run for your money. I apologize for you're beating me today. I wish I could have been a more worthy adversary. You know what? I don't think he really gave two shits about what I said. No, you don't worry about it. You did fine.

Well, for the record, he has gone. He has gone on to say that he, first off, he thinks you have incredible talent, and he's also a huge fan of yours. He actually stood around and waited for you at Quail Hollow after you went. He did. That was super cool. That was, you know, to me, that's, you know,

to me being a fan of the game, and me being kind of a mushy guy, I actually take stuff like that. I remember more of that than I, and care more about that stuff than actual wins. You know, I mean, to me, that was probably one of the highlights of my career is, you know, and I don't talk to Tiger like I did back then.

I don't even talk to Tiger at all. And, you know, we hung out a little bit for a period of time there and played some practice rounds and stuff like that. But for him to do that, I mean, that was a really cool thing of him to do. And it was definitely a highlight of for my career and something that I will remember personally. And I'm sure it's something that he, you know, it's not even a glimpse in his life. But to me, it was a big thing. And it was cool for him to make that happen for a guy like me.

What's it like when you come out and you talk about your rookie year? You show up at Sony and you see Ernie Ill, it's like, I am shitting bricks. I'm so nervous to be here. And then all of a sudden you go out. and have that monster rookie year that you have and all of a sudden you're being labeled the best player under 30. At a time when there was a lot of really good players under 30,

is it hard to manage the expectations? Yeah, it was hard for a few years to manage the expectations. 06 was a tough year for me. You know, I think it was me trying to live up to the expectations that people had of me and me of myself, right? And to be honest with you, I think that when I tend to get out of my own way mentally, I can play some pretty good golf. But that's not my strong suit.

You know, my strong suit is to get in my own way. You know what I mean? I think I'm really good at that. So if I could sell that, I'd be a gazillionaire. But, you know, it just, it was, it was tough to live up to that. And I had a hard time with that. And, you know, I go from not knowing. knowing who I was. I mean, think about it. I mean, you know, I never made a decision for myself

until I was 20 years old. I mean, I married the first girl I ever dated and, you know, and we had, you know, she basically saved me from this horrible situation I was in. And, and I grew up a lot in two years and, and, and, and, but here I am a kid, you know, on, on, on the PJ tour, living, living, living a dream and then all of a sudden you're rookie the year. I mean, I, I, I never would have dreamt of that. I mean, it was just such a shock. So, you know, for me, it was just like, how do you live up to that? And it just, I wasn't ready for it.

You know, I really wasn't. I wasn't ready for it. And so 06 was a tough year. But, you know, I came back in 07, 08, 09, had a good years. 10, I had a good year. Struggle a little bit in 11, but I ended up winning. It was kind of one of those lightning in a bottle type situations. And, you know, I've had some kind of glimpses of some good play since then.

but I'm just not nearly as good of a ball strikers as I used to be. And, you know, and it's just, I think kids have gotten better. I mean, 22 is not so young anymore. And these kids are coming out 20, ready to win. Matt Wolfe, you know, Colin now. I mean, he's, I mean, what a player he is. I mean, my God, I mean, what a golf swing. And just guys weren't that seasoned.

And, you know, winning. Winning as a rookie was like, whoa, but winning at 22 as a rookie was like, whoa. You know, and I think at one point I had four wins in my 20s, and I was the first or the person after Tiger to do that. But now it's like, you know, guys have four wins by the time they're 23, 24 years old. And they're talking about winning major championships. So it's like, I mean, I'm not that good. Well, you were very good. You're pretty good.

Yeah, you're pretty good. Let's stop back off at 2009 because you make. the President's Cup team. Yeah. Okay. Fred Couples is the captain. He asks Michael Jordan to be a part of the team. Yeah.

And I've heard that you weren't in the best spot mentally going into that week. No, it wasn't. So Michael went on record and said, my biggest focus this week is Sean O'Hare. Okay. That's nice. Well, it's pretty cool. I mean, you can hang around one of the greatest evidence of the whole time. Charity case.

Can you please explain some of the things Michael talked to you about? Yeah. What was some of the things Michael talked to you about? And explain that week because I heard Phil kind of the first. took you under his wing and then obviously Michael sat you down you know Michael didn't really sat me down I think Michael does what Michael does which was being a dick on the golf course makes sense and and trying to see what the deal was and I think it really was kind of like I don't to me it was kind of like I don't really need that like I don't think those guys knew what my

upbringing was. And there is no way I should have ever been on the PJ tour. Like, there's no way. What are you talking about? It just with the environment I was put in. Like, it just was such a hostile environment. I mean, there's no way that I should have made it. And it's hard enough to make it. And I just think that those guys, I didn't necessarily feel comfortable with how I was hitting the ball, with how I was putting. It was more of my putter. That was a problem. It wasn't my ball striking.

I was actually hitting the ball quite well, but I wasn't putting worth of shit. And so I was really struggling with that because I wasn't scoring. And so, you know, I think Jordan was trying to, you know, say some words. The best thing that Jordan and I did was we played a practice round. And afterwards, we got hammered. Perfect. That doesn't.

And, you know, I remember. remember I play with like I think it was Lucas Glover me might have been couples or stricter I forget who it was and Jordan was playing and it was it was cool had a good time and then Jordan I were shooting the shit about cars and we were drinking scotch and got shit faced or I got shit faced and he was just drinking me on the table he can drink he was fine you know and and and and then that was that it just and it was to me that's one of those moments like it was one of those tiger moments where he came up to me and gave me a hug. It just, you know, for, for Michael Jordan to do that and take the time to do that for me

means a lot to me. And, you know, that's one of those special moments and something I'll never forget. And, you know, and it's probably nothing. I mean, he probably doesn't even remember that moment. But to me, sitting at a table basically telling Jordan he's full of shit because his car was faster in mine and I was like no I have I have something faster than yours and then you know couples is like let's get some cars and let's race and it just you know not that he was serious about it but but it just was like it was one of those moments like holy shit is this really happening that's cool because I mean I you know Fred couples was some was honestly there was two guys that I basically try to idolize and it was Fred couple I want to act like Fred couples and I want to swing like Davis love And for Fred to say some of the things he said to me that year and take the time out of his life to say the things he did and to encourage me and to text me as much as he did. And then for Jordan to do what he did.

And, you know, Phil even. I think Phil went to couples and was like, hey, give me Sean. I'm, you know, I'm going to, you know, I played all five matches, which I thought I would probably sit out every match except the single match. And they would probably try and sit me out on that one if they could have. But for me to play all five matches, I was like, this is like a dream come true. And it just is something that's very special and something I'll never forget. That's awesome. How good is Phil to play with in that deal?

Because we had keeping Bradley on, it was kind of a similar situation. Like, how much does he help you with, especially when you're mentally kind of... You know, he's an interesting cat. He's an interesting cat because I really don't know how to say, if I like Phil or if I don't like Phil. I admire Phil. You know, I think he acts a certain way to you that I don't agree with. You know, it was kind of one of those things where we played it.

We were boys for a week and then two weeks later I see him like, yo. And he puts his head down. He's like, doesn't know who the fucking, doesn't know who you are. You know, that's cool. you know, that's cool. That's cool. I'm not even offended by it. But, you know, dude, for him to kind of take me under his wing the way he did and to say

and to encourage me the way he did during some of those matches, I mean, that was really cool for me. And, you know, it's hard. It's hard because I think I'm more of a fan of the game than I am an actual professional golfer. And I think it actually hurts me. because I still idolize these guys. I'm still like, this guy is fucking cool as shit,

but I got to act like, you know, I'm going to beat your ass, but I know I can't. But like, you know, guys like Phil and VJ, I love VJ. I mean, he's probably the guy that has been consistent throughout the years for me and someone that I can really say, you know what, he's probably been the biggest influence for me professionally. But, but, um, I say, I always say if, like, people ask who, like, who do we not get out there on the Oh, he's the wrong percent?

Yeah, that's a surprising answer. Dude, Vijay, VJ is fucking, he's a, he's a gooey cookie inside. He's really, he's such a good dude. If you can talk shit back to him. Oh, 100%. What's he done to you? Like, why do you view him as the guy that's, like, consistently? You know, I, I remember, I forget the, if it was my rookie year, or maybe, you

he was 06 that I play with him at Quail Hollow and he he did his normal bullshit you know where he comes walking up and you know he's the last one on the tea and then he shakes your hand and he does one of these on top deals and he like squeezes it a little alpha move yeah and you know I'm like one of those dogs that kind of turns over and it's like you know I'm submissive so I so I give him one of these jobs right and and he just stares me down I just keep looking at him I'm like do we have is this a moment for us or you know and I think it was kind of one of those things that he saw that I wasn't afraid of him and and we started playing some practice rounds and we would joke around and and and we would kind of hang out and and

and you know if I if I went and saw him at a tour event I'm going to stop what I'm doing to go say hello like it's one of those type of relationships and and and uh he's always given me the time of day and and he doesn't pay his bets but that's okay and and and and but I tell you, that guy is, he's been special to my career. But I look at, like a guy like Phil, going back to Phil, I mean, here's one of the greatest players that's ever played the game. And it's just like, how do I even help this team? It's like, let me just get out of his way and let him do his thing.

But he kind of was like, you know, we're going to kick these guys his ass. And it just was fun. He made it a lot of fun. That's awesome. He's the best at that from what I... Dude, I've played a good amount of golf with him, but every guy that's ever been paired up with him. He makes you think, like, you are...

We are going to steamroll these guys. His shit-talking. And you are the best. And he just makes you think, like, you're really fucking good. I've heard, I've heard a story. I don't know if it's true, but I've heard a story that he told a guy to pick up, like, a 10-foot... At Cherry Hills?

Par puttut in, like, a U.S. amateur. First hole at Cherry Hills. That's the story. He drove the green. A guy hit a short... It's like a... a drivable hole. He hit it up short and the guy had a flop shot to like 15, 10 feet

whatever it was and Phil had driven it up by the dream. I mean, who has the ball to do that? Yeah. And by the way, he made the pot. And he made it. Yeah. See, I mean, no one can do that. Who do you think best shit talk around tourists? Phil's got to be out there. Tiger doesn't shit talk at all. Tiger's like, he puts

the silence mode on and he just shows you how good he is. And that's intimidating in itself. Right? I mean, it's just, I don't don't care how friendly you are of him. It's like when it's Sunday and he's got that red shirt on, he's going to rip your throat out. And he's going to piss on your carcass when he's done with you. And then you're going to apologize for not playing better and giving you a better run for a money. Exactly. I'm sorry. I didn't have a better challenge. But Phil's got to be up there.

You know, there's a lot of shit talkers that are pretty good shit talkers like the guy to my left, but they can't follow it up. That's true. I said on tour. You know, but I would say Phil's got to be, Phil's got to be the guy. I'll accept that answer. Yeah. He's pretty good. And you're around Anthony Kim when he was Anthony Kim. Dude, he was a 10, bro. AK had swag, man. More juice than anybody.

He was another guy. I think he was a little misunderstood. Not that I was boys with him, but, but, and I, you know, there was things that he would do that I didn't necessarily appreciate, but, but I think he was misunderstood as a person. I think he's one of those complicated cats that it had insane. insane talent. Insane talent. That's an understanding. Without question.

In my opinion, there was not a doubt he was going to be a Hall of Famer. And, you know, I don't know exactly what happened there, but it's unfortunate that he's not playing in it because I think golf would have benefited from Anthony Kim playing golf. So, you know, him, I think he was the best player of that President's Cup team in 2009 for sure. and he was dude he he he is one of those guys that he loves that controversy he loves people you know and he just feeds off of it and he would go put his headphones on it and sit it sit it you know sit by himself on the couch and be anti-social and certain people on the team would say certain things and you know i know guys on the president on the international team were talking shit and he'd go out there and whoop him i mean he would give him a slacken well i'll be honest john we're trying

very hard to get him on golf subpar. We are dying. So you're going to lean on him a little bit more. Yeah, do you want to make a little pitch right now to AKB? Yeah, I got him in my speed dial. Let me call him right up. Text him after and say, dude, great show. Yeah.

I think you'd have a blast. All right. We're trying to hunt him down. Let's get to some fun stuff. He's like the Sasquatch. We do this with every guest. It's called Emergency 9. Oh, Jesus.

Nine fun questions. You get a little bit more about the great Sean O'Hare. I feel like you're an onion, dude. There's a lot of layers to you, you do know how boring I am. This is my day. This is my day. COVID-19. This is our show.

You don't tell us how to do this show. Happy hour starts about 10 o'clock in the morning. You know. See, that's not boring. That sounds great. We got golden girls. We've got home improvement. We've got the food network.

All good. Oh, I do. Home improvement? Every day. It's on laugh. I don't know. I've never heard of that network in my life. Yeah.

L-A-F-F-F. What's that stand for? L-A-F-F, I have no idea. Losers and. never mind some other thing i had two fs by the way Heidi

Heidi was a 12 you know but pamela Anderson was yeah she was the early Heidi yeah she was but um here at Heidi I was big thing smoke you know yellow stone

yellow stone's good I haven't watched it I haven't watched it I'm about to get on that peaky dude all time I think you'd look good in a peeky haircut by the way why you don't wear a visor

with this hair you got you'd be a great bizer guy it took me 30 minutes to do this hair okay I've never yeah you look dolled up We're getting off topic here, guys. Hold on, can we get one just quick things? And before we get to E9, like, give us the current status of you right now. When can we expect you back?

You're coming back from injury. Yeah, so I was hurt for a little over a year. I tried to come back, played a couple events. Corn fairy hits. Or, that corn fairy virus. Sorry, that's the code to go talking. The corn fairy, or the COVID hits. And so the tour, you know, they had to come up with.

you know some options for guys especially guys on medical so i took my two events back so i still have 16 starts and i just figured you know that i probably should just wait so i'm going to play um starting september i'm a safe way yeah safe way you're back how hard is that corn fairy tour been though because you and i were texting about the other day dude i i got to tell you i you know i i played two corn fairy events um you know in the bahamas and started playing you know had had i think a third or fourth and then played well the next week. And I'm like, oh, this is, this is great, got some confidence. I've played maybe three cents.

I've got my ass stepped on. And I'm just like, this is counterproductive. I'm trying to play these events to get some confidence in my game. And I'm like, these guys, they shoot eight, nine under par every single round. And you got to shoot 27 under to win a golf tournament. I'm just like, you know, it's different golf than the PJ tour. And so for me, I'm going to take the next three. weeks off and work on my game and hopefully

be ready, come safe way. That's where Colt and I will come into play. We'll help with that. We will help your confidence out. Big confidence. But right now we might destroy it a little bit. Okay. All right.

For emergency nine. Let's do it. Number one, movie about the life of Sean O'Hare. You can pick any actor to play you, dead or alive. Who plays you? Dude. Old Yeller? Jesus, that's what's depressing.

We need like a therapy. We need to bring you back, dude. This is a hockey show. We need to do like Tim Robbins, like, uh, Brown Paper. No. Dude, I have no idea. I can say my, my most favorite TV show.

Can we do that? Your favorite actor? Yeah, we need an actor. Favorite actor. To play you. This is, I, no. Which could be like a real movie, by the way. Matt Damon?

No. Yeah, dude. We had John Daly picked Matt Damon. We've had some shitty answers. Gary Woodland picked Denzel Washington. Yeah, Gary Woodland wants to be Denzel. There's no right or wrong answer. Yeah, don't feel pressure.

What do I want to be or someone who's going to be me? Either one. Whatever makes you happy. This is your movie. I think guys who are cool definitely have a man crush on Mark Wahlberg. Okay, there you go. You knew that was coming, by the way. Kossner, it doesn't get any better than Kossner.

I love. I love Kossner. I knew Walberg was coming, dude. Who did you have for him? I kind of have, for some reason, I kind of have a Seth Green look in his face a little bit. A little Seth Green? I don't know if you're funny enough. But I'm not that, I'm not that fed either.

I don't know if you got. that. Dude, he's, dude, a guy's hilarious. He's awesome. I wish I had his personality. I'd be such a better golfer. It has nothing to do with personality. He's an actor.

He can play boring. Yeah, he can be you. It's more of a look. Have you guys seen Longshot? Yeah. It's great. How hot is that woman?

Long shot? Long shot. I don't know what that is. What is that? It's Charlie's thrown. She's like, Oh, Charlie's, she's a 12.

She is. She's a 12. But it's not even like. You see monster? It's their personality. Monster. She's the coolest. She's the coolest.

She's not only the hottest chick, she's the coolest chick. She was on the same flight as us to Malaysia for the CIMB, and she's over there with all the security and everything. She's really tall. Did you talk to her? No, I got nervous. Yeah, I don't happen. All right, when we cast your movie, we'll make her your romantic interest.

That's a good little, you know, yeah. We'll make her your romantic. I had you as Tom Hanks son. Have you seen Orange County? No. Oh, Jesus. Get out a little bit, dude. You've been injured.

I would say Tom Hanks. Tom Hanks is my favorite actor. All right. All right, well, it's his kid, so you should like that. All right, number two, what's the thing that you're best at in life other than golf? Give me like a hidden talent. Breathing? God.

It ain't self-esteem, I'll tell you that, dude. When you said earlier at the very beginning, like, I'm not one to blow smoke up my own ass. You weren't lying, dude. There's no smoke being blown. I'm pretty good at breathing. Oh, you're a good breathing. I've made it 38 years. You know, like...

We're going to have to add, like, depressing music into this. Honestly, I have no idea, dude. Are you good a ping pong? No, man. Gardening? Anything? No. Drinking.

Drinking. I'm actually decent. Dude, you can drink some scotch. I'm decent. I'm decent. Well, it's kind of long lines. Okay, the next question. We're having to answer your questions for you.

All right. Here we go. Tighten up right now. It's kind of along the same lines, but if you, if you weren't a golfer, what would you do for a living? Yeah, that's a good one. I like these. You know what?

I actually, honestly, honestly, I was this close to join the marine. Corps. Really? Mm-hmm. It was my only option. Do you think you're tough enough to be a Marine? Fuck yeah. I doubt.

I don't believe that. I honestly, I'm not bad at being told what to do, and it's just like, all right, you know, I'm a good soldier. All right. Go give me a drink. I hope a Marines after watching me. Go refil. But you know what, what would I want to do? I mean, I love, I love being a pilot would have been awesome, being a, you know, race car.

A fighter pilot? Yeah, race car driver. I love speed. Race car. There you go. Now you're, now you're answering some shit. I love speed.

I love speed. I love speed. I love speed. I love speed. I love speed. No, no, no, I'm telling me I'm not good

to anything other than breathing and playing golf. All right. And I'm actually happy decent thing. Fill this up, dude. We'll think of it. All right. Next question.

All right. Next question. Are you embarrassed to be the only human alive who's both of Philadelphia Eagles and a Dallas Cowboys fan? Because I mean, that's like impossible. It really bothers me actually.

Yeah. It honestly is a problem. I do. I do. And then I find out from here. You know what's funny. You know, it's funny. I actually am.

I love me some Troikman and Emmett Smith. Troitman. You abuse me over the Cowboys every year. But you're an Eagles guy. So that's like pretty much. I'm an Eagles guy because you live in Philly. You know, it's such a strong culture in Philadelphia. And, you know, Jeff Lurie, he's a great owner.

I think we have a great coach. and, you know, I think Carson has a potential of being a really good quarterback. And, you know, I love the culture. I love the passion, right, of Philadelphia Eagles, or just Philadelphia sports in general, to be honest with you. But, dude, I grew up in Lubbock, freaking Texas. I mean, that's like cowboy country. That's fair. And, you know, once Quincy Carter took over and started sorting some white stuff, I was done with the Cowboys.

So. So you're fully out on the Cowboys. I'm, I'm, yeah. Which one? Who about Quincy Carter? See, now I'm in, see, now I'm like,

Well, I'm, I'm, I'm a big Texas tech fan. Okay. And you got Kingsbury. Kingsbury's over at, you know, Cardinals now. And I'm like, eh, should I, should I root for the Cardinals? I don't know, man. I've got a big dilemma. I got to figure this shit out.

You are so confused right now. I'm really confused. Yeah. Jesus. All right. Cool. You need a mental coach. We're going to have.

to bring you back, dude, for like a counseling session. We will help you. Next question. All right, keep going. You used to work with renowned swing instructor Sean Foley. Yes, sir. Who prides himself on his appearance? Who spends more time in front of the mirror?

Him or your wife, Jackie? Oh, God, Sean Foley. It's not even close. Have you seen my wife? I want to edit this? All right. Honey, honey. You're beautiful.

I love you. I'm sorry. Don't worry, Sean. We can edit this. You know what? But she's one of those chicks that is just like, you know, she's a mom, right? So Sean is very prim and proper. And, you know, I love me some Foley.

I love talking to Foley. He's a friend of mine. And he's a very pretty individual. He has asked to come on the program, so I'm going to need some good dirt. Yeah, we're going to dig in deep. He had his hands full with you. He did. He did.

He did. I think he had to read a book for every talk that we had, right? So he was like, Sean needs a talk. So he would go read like some Buddhist book. I think he was more sports psychologist than swing teacher. Like swing looks like about your brain. Dude, 100%. Foley in 09.

I mean, he was a big part. I think him and Tesori. Tesori was probably the biggest, biggest weapon I had in my early career. I mean, Foli, I mean, Tessori, You know, I think he is one of the best, if not the best caddy out there. Shea, I think my ex-caddy is one of those guys. I think those two guys are probably the top three caddies on the PJ Tour, in my humble opinion.

But to Sori, he brought something to the table that a lot of caddies can't, and, you know, that matched with Foley. And I think Foley, he was maybe a little simpler with his coach. coaching then, and I'm not criticizing at all. I think, you know, the technical stuff works for different players. But Foley, the stuff that he made me a better player, and he was unbelievable, and it was a lot of fun working with him. I love Sean Foley. Well, I think I needed to ask the next question. He's a very pretty one. What's that? I think I need to ask the next question to lead into yours. Okay, yes. You go, Cole. Got you. I'll let you go. All right, a little trivia question

about yourself. Good, great, Sean O'Hare. Yeah. Do you have more? Individual wins is a pro, or we hit more balls in the water on 17 at TPC sawgrass. You're such a prick for saying that. I mean, we can't get through a whole show without bringing that up. I thought we showed great restraint not bringing it up earlier. That sucked. Well, half my wins are in the fucking pond from Sunday on that round. I think two of them in the water.

Just total throughout your career. Total throughout the career, 100%. I got twice as many golf balls in that. No, actually you're wrong. It's a tie. You have seven individual wins as a professional golf. Are you actually telling me you did homework on this shit? You are a fucking cynical bastard.

You get seven balls in the water on the TBC. If I'm your attorney right now, I'm saying erroneous objection because you won two-man titles. I said individual, sir. Oh, he said individual. All right. Sustained. Listen. When I'm speaking.

You have nine total wins, seven as an individual, and you put seven balls in the water. I keep trying to talk myself into liking you. But this just proves that I'm right. No, it's too much. It's too much. All right, this is a good follow-up question for this. All right, so if someone gave you a check for the $750,000 that you lost on the 17th hole up the players, what would you buy? And you think it's just me.

You got an extra $750 to burn. You got to buy it on one thing. You can't say like, I'll buy a bunch of investment. I don't think I'd buy anything. I think I'd fucking retire. Just quit. I think I just quit. Just shut it down.

By the best is when they replayed that players from a few years ago. Oh, we were watching it. We were texting you. And y'all were like seven holes behind the next group. And I'm like, Sean, are you going to finish? I got to tell you. I was so nervous. Because, I mean, I think you've played with me since then.

And I wouldn't consider myself a slow player by any means. I'm actually a pretty quick player. But back then, I mean, you're playing against Phil Mickelson. I was scared shitless. And I had no fucking clue what I was doing. And back then, I was a slow player. Even me watching myself, I'm like, what the fuck are you doing?

We were watching it right before our radio show. And me and Colt were sitting there and they were replaying your player's championship. And we were sitting, I was like, dude, we're like, how slow is shot? You guys know me. You guys know me pretty good. So just think about all the thoughts that are going in my mind. I can't even. The demons.

I can't even. I'm like, I've got the evil elf over here, and I've got the, you know, the little saint over here. And they're like talking to one another. And I step in, and I step out, and I step in. And then the bad guy says, you're going to fucking fat this three wood off the tea. I'm glad to hear you're not the only guy that's got those, too. You know, it's just like, how am I supposed to do this? So for me to finish 11th after I was leading that golf term, it was actually pretty good.

That was actually pretty good. It was a strong finish. You brought it home nice. I did. I did. I did. I was proud of myself. Oh, do you have one more?

I have one more. Oh, I have one more. Oh, go ahead. Oh, okay. All right. If you could live another person's life for, you had to live another person's life for one year, Camp Biggolfer, who is it?

Sounds like Kevin Coff. It sounds like Mark Wahlberg. No. No. No. I, um, you know, I never even thought about that. Yeah. Those are good questions.

Who's got the sickest bank account with the... You can't be like, I mean, I guess it could be Bezos, so that'd be important. You want to be like a rapper or something? You know what, dude? Honestly, I think it's not necessarily who I'd want to be. I think it was more what I would want to be. If I could be anybody I'd want to be, I'd probably have a ranch out in Montana or Wyoming

or something like that, and I'd, you know, act like I know what the hell I'm doing. You know, honestly, being out in the middle of nowhere where there's no people and I don't have to talk to anybody and being out in nature. To be, that is bliss. I don't have to do podcasts. I don't like people. They can all go, you know. If I could just not talk to anyone for 10 years.

Yeah, that'd be fantastic. You've made it. This is the last question. Number nine. This is it. Is it true? You only still. This is not.

Is this about the next? Is this about the next? me. This is going to get edited, but it's going to do it anyway. Don't pay attention to me, dude. You're awful. Don't pay attention. All right, hold up.

I'm going to zone in. All right. Is it true, you only stay in handicapped accessible hotel rooms from now on because of a nearly career and a bathroom entry. I was going to get through that. It's fine. Oh, Jesus. And for the record, Paul Tessori told me to ask that. Do you guys want to hear that?

that story? Yes! Oh my God, yes, if you're willing. Don't talk. Oh, Christ. So, I forget what the year this was. I forget what the year this was. And I think this was 08 or not.

It wasn't 09. I think it was 08. So it was a long trip. I was on the road for a while. Lonely. I was lonely. I was lonely. And I woke up one morning.

And, you know, I was lonely. And I was in the shower and thought I would indulge in some self-abuse. And, but it was really good. I was trying, you know, it was really good. It was like one of those moments where you're just trying to hold it off and you're trying to make it last. And it was really good. And then, pow, hyper-extended my right knee. And, uh, come.

come limping in. And to see my trainer, who was Craig Davies at the time, he's like, he's like, dude, what happened to your knee? And I'm like, ah, you don't want to know. He goes, no, what happened? And I'm like, well, I was enjoying myself in the shower and hyper-extended my knee. And so the funniest part about this story is like a month later, I'm playing with Nathan Green. And Nathan is, dude, he's a legend.

And we're playing Byr Nelson, and we're on 17T. And he's like, hey, I got to tell you this story. And we're having fun. I mean, he's telling jokes, and we're laughing our ass off. And he's telling stories. And he's like, I've got to tell you this story. I'm like, what? And he goes, dude, so Phoenix opened a couple months ago,

Vaughn Taylor was was you know he was whatever in the sh- taking a run in himself in the shower and he hyper-extended his knee and I'm like oh geez and I'm like okay and I know he's talking about me

like Jesus what an idiot Vaughn is and I'm like and I'm like really he's like yeah you know he he he really hurt his knee and all this stuff and I'm like

I'm like what wasn't Vaugh you guys really and he goes who wasn't I said well it was me he fucking fell on the tea rolling and I think

yeah that was that was that was an interesting moment in my career but had knee surgery a few years later and that'll happen you know cleaned it all up

if I had a nickel for every guy I knew that blew his knee out but But, you know, but, yeah, it was a good one. That's all time. It was a good one. You are a legend for telling it. There's no better ending that I can think of.

There's a happy ending, I feel like. That's, I have a feeling that that's going to be the shining moment in my career. The clip? That'll be the social media. I didn't want to talk about that, but you bastards brought it out. When you're in Montana with your ranch, you won't even know that it happened. Well, thank you so much, dude. You're an Alzheimer's.

Hey, love you boys. All right. Enjoy it. Well, Slees, I can honestly say I don't think we'll ever end an interview the way we just ended that one. I knew the question was coming. I did not know that he would actually answer it seriously. I was like, I thought he'd be like, oh yeah, I did, that's a long story.

Don't want to get into it. End of interview. But he was more than willing to just open up about that. Man's got no pride. I like it. I loved it. But going back to the start of the interview, I mean, it's tough. I mean, not everybody's brought up in the best of situations, and he had a tough deal

with his dad. But can you imagine? and turning pro after your junior year in high school and trying to play against the best players in the world. Are you kidding me? I couldn't even adapt to going to college and all the free in all the responsibility and freedom that comes along with that. I could not imagine having to go out and compete against grown men playing the game of golf. I mean, I know he was good. He's a second rank junior in the country, but that's a totally different ballgame. And like, it was cool of Sean to really get into that with us because I know it's personal. I know it's not the easiest

thing to talk to, but like really appreciate him opening up about that. It was. And I mean, for him to get into some of those what were then Nike tour events and actually qualify for a few A bunch of them. Unbelievable. And then, you know, he goes on, when he gets his PGA tour card, I mean, he was kind of the can't miss kid then. When he's the rookie of the year goes on to have all the success. And he's had a lot of highs and lows in his career. But I think there's still a lot of good golf left in Sean and we wish him the best. Yeah, absolutely. He came out at one point. He was, you know, the guy that was being dubbed the best under 30 player on the PJ tour 10, 12 years ago. So I would love to see him get back. Love to see him healthy. You and I played with him this past week. It looks good. And I'm looking forward to see what he does and, you know, making a push to get back out there full time. I was actually disappointed in how good it looked.

Yeah, it was disappointed. hang a little bit. I was a disappointing that putter more than anything, but, yeah, it was a putt like that. I know, not ever. He knows it too. But yeah, I'm looking forward to seeing him back and I think he definitely still has the game for it. You got it. All right, well, let's get to the gambling portion of the segment. I'll be honest, I didn't have my best week. I didn't rise to the occasion of the playoffs. I needed a week like this. I don't know what happened, but there was at least a chunk. I don't know what happened, but I know there was a chunk taken out of it. Yes, Lee. So back-to-back weeks with two top ten finishes. This week, Webb

Simpson at T-6, Scotty Shuffler, T-4. You cut roughly three quarters of a million dollars off the lead, but that still leaves you trailing colt by a hair over $2 million. That's tough, too. Good week for you. I got. I helped you as much as I could. I snipped 700.

I know, I needed a win. I had to have a win. After the 59 was Sheffler, I was like, dude, this could be it. That's 1-8 right there if he clips it. So, anyway. All right. Need another one like that. It's on to the BMW championship outside of Chicago Olympia Fields Country Club.

Only 70 guys in the field. Not that many guys to pick from this week. Yeah, it's tight. But you know what? You do have the honor, surprisingly this week. I do have the honor. And I went back and forth big time on this top tier because I've been awful.

I can't get my top tier guy to even make a cut. So I went with my gut. I'm going back to old trusty, John Rom, 10 to 1, coming off a sixth place last week, final round 66. A lot of drivers are going to be hit on this golf course. He's fourth on the PJ Tour and strokes gain driving. I'm trying to pick good drivers of the ball this week. And John Rom, I mean, I like him every week.

But coming off a sixth, I got to have him. I got to have a lot of drivers hit. I know that it's golf course. read about it. I read a lot about it. Yeah, they didn't play this in 2003. Jim Brick is a great driver. I love it. Well, hopefully your curse on the favorites reverses because if you watch our pick three, that's my guy this week is John Rom. Okay. But I like it. You know what? There's a lot of very nice golfers to choose from. I'm going with a guy who's 22 to 1. He's missed two cuts in his career, one being last week. The last time he missed a cut, came back and won the following week.

Ooh, okay. Good stat. I'm going to go with hopefully that trend can continues. Colin Morikawa is my favorite to win this week. 22 to 1. I don't know if he can strike it well enough to get it around Olympia field. All right. My second pick, a guy who, I mean, arguably won the real golf tournament last week. Dustin was playing something totally different. This guy, he's had six straight finishes of 23rd or better.

He's just in there every single week. It seems like he's 35 to 1, and that is Harris English. Yeah. How's he still 35 to 1? I was surprised to see him down in that range. He's been nails. Man, he's solid player. Yeah.

Absolutely. Can't knock that pick. I put him on the team a lot. He's been my one guy that shows up every single week. All right. This is where I was really struggling, but I'm going to go with the hot hand. Excuse me, 33 to 1. Scotty Schaeffler. Shot a little 59 burger this past week. Not bad. Last four starts 22, 15th, fourth and fourth back to back top fives. Ninth in total driving. Why do you call it a 59 burger? I don't know. I just added a 59 piece, a little 59er. Just curious. I like the big. Hopefully his caddy can go. Yeah, that's going to be Got to get rid of that cramp.

Yeah, tough deal. Had to play the back nine without his caddy. Yeah, it ain't easy. Probably would have won. The third pick on Team Gravy, Colt Nost. Guys going off at 55 to 1. He was the last man in the field for this week. He birdied the 72nd hole just to get in the field.

And I feel like when PJ Tour players have absolutely nothing to lose and everything to gain, they just let it go. And they play really well. So I'm looking for Louis Oostezen to do something special this week. Sweet swinging Louis. Cost Doc Redmond a spot. at the VMW this week. All right, I am mad. I love the golf swing. I'm going to go, like I said, if I'm going, if the ship's going down, I'm going down with my guys that I've

been riding with, so I'm going back to the well with Sung J M 66 to 1. It's time. He's been benched long enough. I think he's learned his lesson. He's been riding some pine. Miss cut last week. Had a really bad stretch there in the middle of the, what was it, the first round. It went like double double bogey five over in three holes. That was an issue. But going back with him, ball striking's got to be back. Just give me something, Sung I've been riding with you all year. I need you more than ever. Well, first off, the only week you didn't take him early on in the season i took him and he won yeah every week you've taken him he's played terrible so the only thing that can stop sung jm more than a golf course not having a driving

range the sleaze his daddy wow nice to have that kind of control he's gonna kill you actually if he ever sees you he's not gonna like you yeah that's possible all right my last pick this guy he's played terrible three weeks in a row there's no there's no way to absolutely really sugarcoat it stinks uh i've never seen him at this bad of odds i mean he's a major champion um one of the most normally one of the most consistent players on the PGA tour. Fantastic ball striker. He's going off at 70 to 1 this week. It's insulting.

I'm going to call him and tell him. This is embarrassing. Gary Woodland, you are rounding out team Colt Nose, team gravy. Yes, and if you talk to him, tell him I had a bet on him last week

at 43rd or better, and he shit to bed for me. Oh, he actually sent me some money for you. I forgot to give it. Okay, perfect. Yeah, slide that on over. All right, Gary Woodland for you. I'm going to go with the guy playing some pretty good.

I'm going on the other side. You're picking a guy that's not playing well. I'm picking a guy. It is playing well. Ryan Palmer, 80 to 1, second, second, eighth, and 15th, and three of his last four starts, playing some good golf kind of under the radar, drives it well, too. Need him. Dude, I need someone to show up and hoist the trophy at the end of this week.

700 grand ain't going to, chops ain't going to do it. Well, good luck to you. You got two weeks to catch you up. Crunch time. Or you're going to be carrying that bag. No, dude. I'm getting in the gym. Whisper out golf club.

I cannot wait. I'll be the worst caddie ever. Hope everyone has a great week, and we'll talk to you on next week's golf subpar.