Subpar - The truth behind Spittin' Chiclets successful rise in sports media and how they would fix The Match

Episode Date: April 2, 2024

On this week's episode of GOLF's Subpar, former NHL players Ryan Whitney and Paul Bissonnette join Colt Knost and Drew Stoltz for an exclusive, in-studio interview. The hosts of the Spittin' Chiclets podcast talk their unlikely rise to sports media stardom, the origins of their Sandbagger Invitational series and how they would go about organizing the next version of "The Match." -- We are excited to introduce our newest partner, Ship Sticks, who gets you from your front door to “fore” easier than ever. They’ll pick up your golf clubs from your home or office and deliver them on time, guaranteed, to golf destinations anywhere, in and outside the U.S. No more airport headaches, no more lugging heavy bags. Just easy, stress-free travel for golfers like you.Ship Sticks. Because golf is hard enough.Enjoy 20% off your next shipment by visiting www.shipsticks.com/subparpod -- Thank you to Rhoback for being the official apparel provider of GOLF’s Subpar.  Use the code “SUB” on Rhoback.com for a generous 20% off your first order.” -- Thank you to Callaway Golf for partnering with GOLF’s Subpar.  Visit www.callawaygolf.com to shop the Paradym Ai Smoke family and learn more about the line. -- Subscribe Now: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCt5ESUx6omMUsMoEKvMTzlA Shop The Birdie Juice Collection: https://fairwayjockey.com/collections/birdie-juice Follow Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/golf_subpar/?hl=en Follow Twitter: https://twitter.com/golf_subpar?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

All right, here we go. Welcome back to another episode of Golf Subpar with Colt Nost and Drew Stoltz. Slees, before we get going, this week, we are excited to announce our partnership with Callaway Golf and the Paradigm A.I. Smoke family. Calloway's latest golf club line is designed with extensive player data and a revolutionary AI smart face, which creates sweet spots across the entire face that is sure to deliver exceptional distance with tighter, downrange dispersion, as you saw me the other day, just hitting seeds. It's a miracle worker. It is. Paradigm A.I. Smoke, sweeter from every spot. You can visit Cal CallawayGolf.com to shop the Paradigm A.I. Smoke family and learn more about the line. Pleasure to have Callaway on board. I've been on Team Callaway for, I believe, 15 years now. Love them. Thank you so much for your support.

Your game looked incredible the other day, by the way. Yeah, it's getting there. Yeah, other than... Chipping a little bit, other than that, everything's fine. It's not freak out. Yeah, it'll get good. We're just getting into major season. Let me tell you whose game doesn't need to be tightened at all.

Scotty Schaeffler. Didn't get the job done. Going in as a two and a half to one favorite. It missed a five footer on the last to force a playoff with Stephen Yeager. But just this roll this guy on just is unbelievable. But Stephen Yeager picks up his first PGA tour win. I don't think this is a surprise to anyone. This guy's been knocking on the door for a while. He's won six times on the corn fairy tour. I believe this is his third top three of the year.

Congratulations to him. One of the best dudes out there. And by the way, just has totally changed his game. He went from kind of a short crooked hitter to absolutely smashes it and hits seeds. Yeah, that's kind of the blueprint, right? It's crazy what he's done in terms of. of you watch it how quickly or how he's moved up the world golf rankings. It's like, all right, what's changed?

What have you gotten better? It's literally just driver. Like, he made a conscious effort. I'm going to do all the speed training, going to start hitting it harder. And he's not only hitting it harder. He's hitting it harder. He's hitting it straighter too. Dude, he's sixth in total driving this year on the PJ tour.

Like, when you think of the best drivers in golf, like, no offense, Stephen Yeager, like, he's not a name that comes to mind. And I know everyone was looking for Scotty, the back-to-back-to-back deal, which is really, really hard to do, really rare in golf. but like the feel-good aspect of Stephen Yeager getting it done after being close so many times playing so good winning, like you said, six times on the cornfrey tour. That's great to have.

But nobody wants to be like the most winning-the-winningest guy on the corn fairy tour. For him to get that done, and then you see like Joel Damon coming out and speaking about him and things like that. It was a pretty cool, cool win for Stephen. And by the way, he did it. He had to go toe-to-to-to-with Scotty,

the best player in the world, buy a long shot in the final round to get it done. Yeah, didn't back down for one second. I would have to think, by the way, shout out Stephen Yeager too, member of the 58 club. That's correct. The big cat, Aaron Fleener on the back. Oh, that's what the Coelner does, dude.

No bogies, 58s, what do you want? You're going to be great? Get the cat. Voice of an angel. Yeah, get him while you can before he signs that deal. Yeah, but I think looking back at this week, this is going to be one, like Scotty Shephyler's, his confidence is an all-time high, but this is one he's going to think.

I gave that one away. I mean, you look at the silly little three-put on Friday from six-week that stopped his consecutive rounds under par on the PGA tour. That's a tough way. to lose that streak, which was wild. 22-inch putt. Yeah. And then you go in there and you go to Saturday.

And the little 121-yard par three, which was awesome. By the way, I love it. That nasty little pin up front. He landed it short, which you couldn't do. Spun back in the water, made double there. And the five-footer at the last, a forced playoff. Like, when you're the best player in the world, I know that his putting gets questioned a lot,

but it's been so good as of late. I don't think anybody in the world thought he was going to miss that. No, I didn't. When he hit it in there, I was like, here we go. Like, Yeager's been doing everything he's needing to do. He's got a chance to win this thing. his approach on the 70 seconds. I was like, and he's going to make that,

and he's going to win in a playoff. Like, you just kind of expect it from Scott. Even when it's stuff's not the best, like he still finds a way to win. He was still, with all kind of the little boo-boos that he had, he was still positive strokes gained putting, again, even though he had some little misses. He seems to be making way more 12, 15 footers,

like with pace that just like, you weren't seeing a whole lot of that early in the season. And yeah, I think it's one that he looks back on, like, probably should have had that. Do I think it affects Scottie in any way, shape, or form going into August. No, if anything, maybe it gives him a little fire in his belly. Like, damn, that kind of pisses me off.

Let's go do it at Augusta. But zero stress on Scotty Shepard. I mean, dude, it's like him versus the field in a tournament like that, which is just absurd. He was two and a half to one. And, I mean, look, everyone's taking notice. He has now moved in a lot of books to four to one to win the Masters. At the Majors. This isn't like some one-off non-elevent, non-signature event where there's only a few guys playing.

Like, this is it. This is as good as it gets. And he's four to one. I mean, that's just. It's a round tiger prime type stuff. Yeah, close to it. And, I mean, it's getting that time of year now where everyone's like, oh, who do you like at the Masters?

Who do you like? And I'm like, really, guys? Who do I like? I mean, there's one guy that just jumps off the page. Now, could there be too much pressure, too much talk about him going in? And he doesn't perform? Maybe. But right now, I think he's going to damn sure be a factor.

Normally it's around this time of year we start to hear all the Rory talk. Is this year? Rory's going to get the Grand Slam. Rory this. And it's like all Rory. And then you're leading up to the Masters once he gets there. of course that. And, like, I haven't heard like a peep about that this year.

It's pretty much just Scotty dominating all the headlines, which I think probably everybody else in the field, those guys love that. It's hard to play when there's really no upside for you other than you win or it's a disappointment. Yes, for sure. But I will say this with Scotty, like he doesn't listen to all the outside noise, doesn't social media, he doesn't give a damn, he's going to show up, he's going to be ready to go, and he's probably going to play really well. I'd be floored if he wasn't right there Sunday,

back nine. I'm not saying he's going to win it for sure, but like if he's not a factor in it, I think everybody in golf would be shocked. It's hard for him to play bad right now. But congratulations, Stephen Yeager. Very well, well earned, well deserved. I mean, he's been knocking. Awesome. Love to see it. He'll be teamed up at the Masters next week, so congratulations to him. And you mentioned Scotty going for three in a row. Well, it did just happen on the LPJ tour. Got to give a shout out to Nelly Korda, who just won her third start in a row. She is a monster. Damn near happened on both tours at the same time. Yeah, watching her swing.

it too. That's one to look at and just try to have some osmosis because it's hard to see where that goes wrong. One thing I do want to address last week's episode, Chris DeMarco, which I thought was awesome. We had a little, I'd say a little slip up on our social handle where we put a quote out there, which we did not want anything negative to go on Chris DeMarco. He said something. I thought he was kind of joking around about it. It took off and, Apollos, it took off. And, apologized to Chris for any negativity he got. We definitely didn't want to mean that. We didn't mean for that to happen.

But just wanted to address that. Yeah, it was a quote that he said about, you know, I wish Liv would buy the champions tour. Maybe we could play for some real money. Like, it was totally, if you actually listened to the interview, you could hear it was sudden jest,

you and I chuckled. It wasn't a serious thing. We were talking about how quickly guys are moving up the career money list. And we were Scotty Sheffler's 11th now. And like, look how long Chris played. Do you wish you were playing in this era? It was basically kind of what we were talking about.

but if you just read the quote on Twitter and just read it, you can't really tell the context. And yeah, it can come off as bad. So I thought it was said in Jess. You and I chuckled that. I don't think Chris was serious in any way, shape, or form, but I know he took some heat for it. And like, yeah, we got to do a better job making sure what goes up on our social.

You know, we're not the ones posting it. Like, that could be easily misconstrued. So I just want to address that. But that interview with Chris was awesome. I came away thinking it was great. Yeah. I didn't even remember him saying that at the time, you know, it went up when it went up.

Okay, enough serious stuff. Let's get to our episode this week. I know you're a huge hockey fan. I'm a hockey player. Die hard. I'm not just a fan, and I'm a player. Great point. But I honestly, I'm a huge hockey fan.

And these guys we have on, they have just done unbelievable things with their career. They were very good players, obviously, in the NHL. Speaking of Ryan Whitney and Paul Bissanette, otherwise known as Bizz Nasty. But what they have done since they quit playing, started the Spit and Chick-Chicklissed Podcast, Biz Nasty over on TNT.

They are just incredible. They are, I feel like we have a lot in common. Like, they just, they love their sport, and they like to make it fun. And that's exactly what we do. But spending the day with these boys. They came in, used our studio to film their show. We went out and played golf, sat down with them, had dinner, and I don't know if I've ever laughed that much in a day.

It was fantastic. You got to buckle up. You got to come ready. Put your helmet on, buckle the chin strap. When the boys are in town, you got to come ready to play. Playing golf with them was spectacular. Witt, really good player, low handicapped, beautiful, golf swing plays with no glove, which I love, by the way.

No glove, no love. And then biz, short golf swing, maybe not as quite as much of a diehard, but likes to get out there and compete and loves to gamble and just have a good time. And dude, they're just, like you said it, in theory, I would hope, like I would like to be what they are to go, you know, what they are to go hockey, I would like to be that for us to golf. They get it. They're knowledgeable, but first and foremost, they just want to have a good time.

And they've done an unbelievable job with that show. It's awesome. Well, that's not wasting time. Let's get to the boys at Spitting Chicklets, Ryan Whitney, and Paul Bissonette. But first, Roeback, our guys are back. Best hoodies in the game. You know, I'm a big hoodie guy. Huge.

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All right. What a pleasure this is. You do the intro? These two gentlemen, I do the intros. You want to slide in? Every intro you like that. Every freaking one, boys. Was that part of the deal? I think he just did it the first time and we just kind of just let it.

We just start. We have different shit that each guy does in each show. But yeah, the boys from spitting chicklets, as you've heard, are in the house. Fresh off a vicious cockfight on the course, I might ask. Ryan Whitney, Paul Bisannette, welcome to the arena boys. Is that what they call a good match to cockfight? My favorite part of the match was on two and business is like, what are we doing for a match?

We already have one, but yeah, we already have one going. I was at the kids table. I'm used to that. I got a pigeon toss. I'll tell you what, though. You hit it pretty nice. You hit it great. Sometimes when I can connect.

I got the half swing, no, because all the mechanics get fucked up beyond that. But I call it the half clapper. But I will say watching you guys hit these shots, man. I'm so fucking impressed. You guys can chuck some darts. And what a fun experience. And thank you guys so much for bringing me back to Whisper Rock. a place that I shot a 130 at one time.

And I definitely think I beat that today, right? Oh, of course. Oh, you were way under. Back nine, you had it slotted. With the drive-rower, you had it slotted. Three parts. Because a lot of us, we do the sandbaggers. That's how I count a good round.

How many pars I have? Yeah, you probably had four. I had three or four. Part 18 for all the marbles, by the way. As I said, you part 18 with everything on the line. Yeah. That was nice. Yeah, big cash win for big.

But the last two sandbaggers we've had, those are our YouTube golf matches. If anyone wants to check him out, he's been horrible. Like, like, like, usually, he's good for guaranteed like three to five pars around but the last two have been nightmare feeling he hasn't been drinking i'm like i'm like so we're trying to maybe film a ton in like three or four in a four or five day span in the summer when he's on the booze even the fans are like biz you got to start drinking again during these things it's not even so much my swing it's more about my putting when i'm on the booze and i'm sure there's a lot of people listening who can relate

when i'm on the sauce and i have that perfect liquid glaze you can put i am fucking money with the potter. How long have you been off? Just over six months. I just do it during the work like the work year. Like we're kind of like school teachers

with the hockey season. We start kind of late September, early August and go into like late June. So I just felt it helped like with mental clarity and you know your skin looks a little bit better. I have no idea. Yeah, I don't know that one.

I've taken a break. I don't know that one. Maybe that's why you look radiant by the way. You do have a nice glow about. That's the whole. That's also the skincare routine. That's also the weed. I thought you were pregnant.

It could be the weed, too. Yes, I'm California sober, not completely sober. That's what Wayne calls it. California sober for all you weed smokers. So I, back, when we get to the summertime, we're going to try to film a bunch of sandbaggers because I'd much rather be on the sauce while I'm golfing. Yeah, and it's better for your person,

all the content and everything. When did the sandbaggers start? I mean, you guys are hockey show. When are the golf element get into the mix? It was kind of out of nowhere, like no plan or anything, but a big moment for our podcast was we got Sidney Crosby to agree to do a show. And we both played with them, which I don't think we would have gotten them had that not been the case. And in the process of him agreeing to do it and saying come up to Halifax, Nova Scotia, we'll sit down.

Nathan McKinnon on The Avalanche has been, Sid was his idol growing up from like a similar area, right around the same area. And so he's like, all right, I'll do it with him too. So getting those two guys, Sid specifically was game changing for us. And at the end of the trip, Sid had said, like, leading up to it, like, oh, we'll play golf at the end after we do the interviews. Oh, no, perfect. No problem. And then he mentioned to Biz, because Biz at first said, well, bring some cameras and film the golf. And he's like, first he didn't reply, like, the first, like, two or three times I texted him, like completely ghosted, not even replying.

And he's quiet. He's not looking at, like, him doing the interview was a big deal, let alone filming golf. Yeah. And all of a sudden, we're trying to organize this, like, you know, match that we're filming, like literally the match. And finally on like the third time, he's like, no, no, like we're, you know, we're good. We'll just do the interview. So after the interviews went so well, I'm like, I told Pasha, I said, hey, we'll play a couple holes. And then like, just pop out with the camera.

We'll cut the intro and fuck it. So legit, on like the third horn, we're like cutting a CCM intro. He's like kind of like, what the fuck is going on here? And we somehow sucked them into a match. And our cameraman came out of the woods. Yeah. And shit you could tell. It was like, ah, but we're just like, we're going to go with it.

We're going to go with it. And Biz lit it up. That was how it began. So what would you say my handicap is from watching today? If I'm going to guess, and this is not meant to be rude, I'm just going to give you my honest opinion, probably like 20, 22. I was going to say 19. I said 18.

19 was my guy. It was like you need one and whole ish. Okay. Maybe just north. So I said 18 and I think I was three over on the front. Oh, boy. I just, I don't know what happened. I was so excited from the interview.

So Nathan, these guys are competitive guys. I mean, Nathan McKinnon's like legit the dog, right? And he finally, they wits like, hey, man, like, you better slow down here. They're going to call you a sandbagger. And Nate heard him. And he's, that's fucking right. He has a fucking sandbagger. And he was dead serious.

And Posh has got all this on camera. And sure enough, the video came out. We won dinner for the night. And we called it the Sandbagger invitation. And that's how that, like, that content was created. And it's funny. Now, now I would say 55 to an hour and five, each one. is that was about a 20 minute video maybe even like a little less it was really quick because we didn't

get all the holes and we really cut it down but once we did another one we're like all right now we're filming a best ball true two two on two match so the fact of the matter is like it it forming the way it did is crazy like it's it's just like no one had a plan for it I remember saying biz I'd love to somehow play golf in this because I just want to play golf and then we did that one he's like dude I think we got a way that you can play some golf and do this job Because we knew it was going to come a series. And as far as Posh is concerned, he's been my videographer from the start. And he's a great editor.

And he's got great creative skills. He did a movie when he was at UBC to, you know, he had to hit a certain budget that he had to work with. So he's just really good with all that stuff. And he's evolved them. Like you'll see from the first one to now, it's just, it's taken out of its own. We have amazing graphics, the score on the side, on the side, sponsors for it. And we have guys who don't ever want to do an interview. which, you know, we hope they would,

but I understand completely. If you're not down to do an interview, you're not down, but they're like, we're in for a sandbagger. So we've kind of like looked towards, all right, well, if there's certain guys we'd really love to get, if we can't get them, it sucks, but if we can get them on a sandbagger, it's good enough. Because that's content that lives forever online,

and you can go watch, you know, our second sandbagger. I think we're on to 22. You can go watch it whenever. So if we get one of the guys that we want that won't do an interview for one of those, that's a win still too. Like Drew Dowdy. Yeah.

Got you, yeah? What's y'all's record in the 22? I think we've only lost four or five. Is y'all two every time he don't split the teams? No. First time, we have one coming out with Bustin with the Boys is a barstool podcast, football. Football guys, Taylor Luan and Wilcompton, great dudes that are actually exploding. You know, the football world's so big, they've been blowing up.

So we did one with them, but they don't play golf, so we split up and did a scramble. That comes out soon. It's just nine holes, so definitely a little different than the other ones. But we've had success. We lose to veterans. We lose to retired guys. Like Ray Whitney and Mike Calamador got us, Ed Jovanofsky and Jose Teodor got us. The younger guys, we kind of can get in their head a little bit, I'd say.

I think the cameras fuck guys up too, knowing that everybody's going to see it. But even a couple of vets, like Justin Williams, who's known as, isn't he a plus two handicap? Great player. Great player. We had no business winning this match. We were down three or four. And he, on 17, this guy's a legit plus golfer, and we're all square and he hit a dead shank. And it's like, oh, my God, like, maybe it's the camera.

This guy's nicknames Mr. Game 7. So maybe it's not necessarily the pressure. We like to hold that, though, as like a trophy where Mr. Game 7 choked in a sandbagger. And he right away that night. That night, he said, I want another one. And we're like, no. Like, we're almost like, we won. A lot of people want the rematch.

They don't get it. Kevin Biazza wants a rematch with Elliot Friedman, who are huge in the hockey world. They do hockey night in Canada. We might consider Biaxa, consider Elliot wasn't his partner the first time. Yeah, it's fucking taken off. That's what's crazy about golf. It's like no matter what sport. I mean, we've had hockey dudes, football, dude.

Like everyone, for the most part kind of likes the call. Who all have you had hockey guy? We had Tommy, of course, one of, like probably our favorite guest, would you say when people talk to you? I mean, Tommy. It's hard to be Tommy. He's the best. Yes. Whitney.

Ray Whitney, Clayton Keller. Oh, we had Roni. Jeremy Ronix, crazy. Have you guys done Rosebagger with Roni? Yeah, we do. They were so good. They were talking shit the whole time. Who was his partner?

Salani. Okay. So the stories we were getting alone and they were just putting on a show. They were boozing. Like Ronick was hitting the sauce hard and he didn't get, he kept pumping the drives even farther

and farther and farther talking more shit. And then we did, we do like these silly little games sometimes where we do like a one club hole. Yeah. And we did it on 16 at his course, and he ended up birdying the 16th with a hybrid off the fringe. And it was just like game over.

But it was one of those matches where we got to the range or like, say, the first t-ball. And we're like, we're not winning this match. No. Like they were just so unaffected and like. And we, I had no game that day. He was bad and it was a drummer. It got to the point where through nine they were up five and they were like, all right, both you guys get more shots.

It was like pathetic. But as, as he said, said the stories they were telling. It was like, all right, we get our asses kicked. Who cares? It's still good content. Yeah, good hour of content for our fans. Yeah, of course. And we went on an 11 match winning streak or 10.

Damn. Yeah, and then people were like, oh, this is rigged. And I was just, no, we were just fucking, we were teaming up, bro. Better than that. Just gamers. Yeah. We were, yeah, we had a couple that we should have lost, right? Like the Williams one, we were down three or four, and like they end up fucking

handing it to us. So there were a few like that. But, yeah, it's been a world one. And it's always good to create these side brands. Like I don't know what else like what other type of videos you guys do aside from your podcast But it's always fun to try stuff and that was something we tried and then it created a like a side or sister brand as you want to say Same with Pink Whitney like that was something we did different than the podcast at first he wasn't very He was like no, we're a hockey podcast like by the way they own the friday juice

So yeah for people who don't know pink it's a lot of money Pink Whitney out there We started making merch and then we came out with one t-shirt Pink Whitney on the front bird juice in the back with a bird. I was like, this is awesome. And I got a DM from Colt that had met him. He was like, he was very, very polite about it. He's like, yo, buddy, we own the trademark on that.

I was like, oh, shit. I was trying to get a little split with you. I'd be like, hey, keep selling the shit out of them. Just throw us a little. I said, I thought, yeah, who knows what ended up happening with that. Well, you can get Grenelie on it. He's kind of the merch guy. We got a lot.

Yeah, that'd be fun. That'd be, we should do a birdie juice. Well, because we call it the birdie juice, but never. Obviously, it's your, your thing. Then the T-shirt dropped and he DM me. I'm like, oh, that ain't going to fly anymore. How many shots? I'm God, they said 22 handicapped, though, because we're going to be playing them at some point.

So we'll stick that 22 number. Oh, no, no. When you play us, yours. 50. Oh, no, all of a sudden day. You're going to remember the 18th 10th. I think that you'd need 22. You'd need two shots on three holes maybe,

and I'd probably get like seven or eight. I can't wait to put a 220 down the middle on the fairway. That little left to ride. That base, yeah. I mean, your back swing makes John Roms look like John Dayway. It's crazy. Yeah, dude is. You barely take it back past your belt.

Yeah. No, that's who I emulate on the course. Give me explanation on why you take it back so short. It makes sense, but I'm like, you need a little more distance, dude. So my back is just naturally very tight. And then once the mechanics, like once you go past halfway, the mechanics, that's where things start to get messy. And that's what I was taught.

And I always saw Jovanoski do it. Jovanoski didn't have a big back swing. So one time I went with them and I just shortened it and I was able to at least make good contact and just use more of my strength on the follow-through to push the ball. To push it. To push it. He said to me, he's like, well, my mechanics fall apart past, you know, waist high. I said, yeah, but that's where you kind of build the speed.

Yeah. And he's like, no, man, I just want to make contact. So when he's on doing it, it doesn't matter. It's short, but it's straight. But when it goes off, it's like short, short and crooked. It's a tough combo. It's brutal. Your driver was pretty good.

It's like the irons, a little wedgies and things. That's why the one on 18 you hit with all the marvels. but for all the more. He's a game. That was the first. So we got a tailor-made sponsorship for all the sandbaggers. And that was the first one they sent me. And they've sent me a bunch since.

And nothing has the pop like that. What's it called? Did you remember seeing it? Like what brand it was? TP something. Oh, your wedge? No,

no, my driver. It was the blue. Yeah, the one that has the blue on. It has the blue on. I don't know. They sent me to like the carbon woods.

Yeah. And like they're beautiful. They look way better. But mine just has this nice pop to it. And I've always been. able to put it on the fairway. It's always been the strength to my game. It pops.

I need the pop. That's what gives it the distance. It doesn't give anything else. I tried getting him to put like some stuff on the face of the driver. I'm like, buddy, we'll put this off camera. He's like, no, no, I'm honest. No, we're good. Chapstick.

Chapstick. One thing I do like on the course is the Texas wedge. If I'm within like 30, 40 yards of the green off of it, I'm going Texas wedge every time. I was today, but mine was for different reasons. I was going to have too much fun on Sunday. Well, the first hole today, Colts, like, he had a four-footer. I think you were like, this ain't going in. And then Sleez is like, I know the feeling, man.

When it comes back, just try to hit it. I'm like, what's happening right now? It's shaking when you're setting it down behind it. But then you made that put on 12, and I was like, here we go. Comey said that was the end right there. The back night I got rid of the shakes felt much better. And we took them down. That's what we did.

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You told me today, spitting chicklets, it's seven years now. Yeah, it could even be eight in the Super Bowl. This past Super Bowl might have been eight years. And we, myself and Rear Admiral, an interesting cat in his own right. Newly single, by the way. Yeah, newly single. We have a lot of female listeners, too. Oh, yeah, we do too.

We do, too. October Fest. Just recently announced his divorce in spectacular fashion, I'll say, the way he did it. But he had written blogs for Barstool for a long time. and when I was done playing, my wife was into podcasts. I didn't really know what they were. And she kind of mentioned, you should start one or think about it. And we had talked about something when we went to a tryout for the blues.

When our careers were really winding down, we both got a PTO, they call it. And neither one of us got a contract from the blues. But while together we had mentioned doing something when we retired, we'd played together in Pittsburgh and Wilkes-Barre and the HL. And then we talked about it later, but he went his separate way to Manchester. Yeah, I kept playing. Won the HL Calder Cup that year, and I signed with the Panthers, ended up in the minors. So fast forward, and she mentioned it, and I said, oh, Biz and I had talked about doing something, and I just sent out a tweet.

I think it was 2015, February, or maybe December 14, saying, I'd love to do a podcast. I think I said about hockey, trending topics. It was a brutal tweet, and he wrote back, I'm still playing. I can't do it yet. I got two goals at Christmas. It's a miracle. And I mentioned Colby Armstrong, another guy we played with in Pittsburgh,

and he couldn't do it either. And this guy, rear admiral, he DM me. I'd met him a couple times prior for probably 30 minutes total. And he said, hey, let's do it. And I just went over at his house, recorded an episode, just us two on the couch, no producer, no anything. And we got enough listeners.

Now, we've always said it's, without Barstool, I don't think there's ever anyone who hears it. Like it was all about the platform we had that we could put it on. Did say, I always messed this up, maybe 40 episodes, and then he was done and hopped on. And then it was, I went on as a guest a couple times.

And like I let it fly. Yeah, he blew up as a guest. Yeah, I just like let it fly, kind of like I normally wouldn't. The reason I didn't hop on right away, because I was still playing. And I would have said something where the team was like,

buddy, like what? And even when I was with the King's organization after the coyotes, they were very anti-twitter. So I kind of went. When they signed you, they said that. Yeah, they were basically like, hey, like we'll sign you, but stay the fuck off Twitter.

Arizona Coyotes kind of needed that type of publicity, and it was great. It was a perfect landing spot. You talk about one in a million. They allowed the antics. When I went there, it all stopped. So I kind of just respected that. And it was also a good time to go away and kind of see what was happening. And at that time, that's when like Big Cat started blowing up and KFC and Barstool in general.

So, I mean, you go back to even the concept when we were in St. Louis. Like, we were fucking going out at dinner every night knowing we weren't going to make the team having beers and we go back to the room and the concept was is we'd go into a hockey locker room throw our gear down open up the bag and have beers in the locker room and there'd be cameras like this set up and we just have old guys in telling stories and that was never go on the ice and never end up going out there just cracking beers and telling stories and having laughs and then even when he sent out the tweet about podcast still had no clue what the fuck it was and then like you know he talked about the evolution of it and yeah just like those those milestones like getting

Sid and it just all took on a mind of its own and blew up to what it is now. I was very fortunate, though. I signed one big contract in the NHL and then things went downhill with injuries and my play. But I was financially secure to where I knew I had to get a job when I was done playing, but I wasn't rushing into anything. And I was very lucky. And that's why I had the podcast, had we not had biz, I kind of would have just been, all right, yeah, me and RA are doing this on the couch, whatever, we make a couple bucks.

I never thought of that, but that's great. But he had a business mind. Like he's taken over since the beginning in terms of growing it, how to make it more kind of like financially good for us, I'll say, in terms of bringing in sponsors. So without him hopping on, it wouldn't be what it is because he had the goal and the idea of like, we can make this even bigger.

So I've just been following along. Well, yeah, it was more about like, you know, in certain case, especially when we were starting, it was more mom and pop. You know,

some episodes you wouldn't have all the ads sold. And it just became a thing of like, well, if we're going to do the sandbagger video and we want to make the production better, we're going to need our own more cameramen out there rather than just Pasha with the one, right? So those people cost money to hire and, you know, we need to have proper editing editors and kind of create this infrastructure so you can run this network of a lot of things that need to be done. I mean, you guys know the social component.

We had this like hardcore super fan, Chicklet's memes, who was a fan of the show and he would just create memes for our show. and he was so good. And I mean, we'd be sharing him in our group chats having laughs. So we eventually reached out to him. And he slowly was integrated into the pod where he runs all of our social now. So we were able to hire him. And, you know, at the time when he first started,

we didn't have this huge budget and we were just kind of growing, but we were able to pay him a decent amount enough for to start him. And year over year, he gets raises. And, you know, we kind of move on and it's great. And we've... His name's Dale Morningstar.

He's from London, Ontario. That's his real name. That's his real name. He's chicklets memes. But Dale, Morning Star from London, Ontario, only wears cowboy boots and NASCAR jackets, has a mullet down to his shoulder

and talks like this, what's up, cold, you want to go have a beer? He's a carnival character. And it's just, he's a cartoon. We've kind of formed, Barstool as a whole is like a whack pack. It's a circus. And we kind of have our own within that of just different characters that have made

kind of like a successful team. Yeah, it's unbelievable. And only ones that are fully invested, right? You just get good, good pieces. who care and create this this family-like element, as I'm sure you guys do. That's what people think I feel like it's like, oh, two former players, you just get on a mic,

you start talking and all of a sudden people listen, but there's so much more shit behind the scenes to make it like actually actually go. I mean, Witt has a lot of credibility as a player, but fuck is he a funny storyteller, and he's just a funny bastard. But the thing is about pods for former athletes is anyone can, and I'm not trying to say nobody can do this.

Like, anyone can get into it, and they can be successful. has their stories, everyone has a couple different things they can bring up. It's like week 10, all right, now I got to like think of like relative stuff that's going on to talk about. And if you run out of your like story bank, that's when I think people think that it's going to be really easy and they're like, oh, this is a little bit more of a grind. I get chirp by my buddies all the time. Like, you know, yeah, you say you're working. And they're just busting my balls. But it ends up turning into more of a job than you think.

We're not digging ditches or anything by no means, but there's a lot more preparation and kind of behind the scenes things that go into it than people think. I think most people are like, oh, they hop on a mic for three hours a week. Like stop, stop complaining. Not that we're complaining, but you're not working. It's like, well, no, we're not working a nine to five, but it's not nothing either. Well, I mean, how many, I mean, I'm sure you guys have a, you know,

a couple hundred thousand people listening and you feel you don't have a good show. You got to take that away for the next, you know, a couple days. it sucks. It's kind of like back when you're played, right? Yeah, I've definitely had more bad days playing than podcasting. A lot more. Right here. Right at you. A little longer. Who came up with the name? Because the name is fantastic. R.A. R.A. R.A. came up with the logo and the name. Genius. Second question. Is that actually his real name? His name's Brian McGonigle.

Okay. Can you guys bleep it out, though? I don't think you want the FBI here. Yeah, I don't think he's ever paid taxes. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding IRS. But, um, no, he, he made. made his blogger name for Barstool, Rear Admiral, which I'm not even going to bring up why. Obviously, I think if you're listening, you can understand that Rear has something to do with it. But he's just been known as the Rear Admiral. So that's how he's gone. And when we started, we had to think of a name.

I think the first few episodes were like the Rear and Witch Show or something. And he thought of spitting chicklets in terms of shooting the shit and hockey, you're losing teeth. Great name. And then he thought of the logo. We actually sold the T-shirt for a while because he thought of the logo and drew it out. It's the worst drawing you've ever seen, but it's the basis of, you know, a face missing a couple teeth without a nose and eyes with a helmet on. And then his buddy went into the graphic design and made it cool. But yeah, I don't think without the name of the logo, it's what it is.

It kind of, it pops. Yeah, it's known like it's like anyone that's into hockey knows like spit. Oh, spit chicklets? Like, yeah, you know what it is. And like you guys start the same way, former players, guys on, tell stories, shoot the shit, things like that. But you got into some real, real journalism shit with Babcock. And actually changing the game for our guy, Mike Kami. Mike Komenore we just played with changed the world for him, dude.

We were trying to get. We were trying to get into that. It was like off the cuff how we brought it up. And I remember when the story was told and Bizz went into it, I was like, this will get a little bit of noise. But we didn't think that would happen. I would have forgot to say it unless he reminded me on it. And it was more if a player who's currently playing now who had him in Toronto wouldn't have reached out and basically asked me to say something on the podcast, I never would have.

And like what said, like I never in a million years thought it would have got the play that it did. The guys did cut it into a reel and it was like the first thing out in the morning. So it just, NHL Media Day was happening. It just caught a blaze. And I think that one first post got like seven million views. And not a game that I want to play. I don't like being in the journal game. It was something that was asked of me to do.

And I'm glad considering everything else that ended up coming out and there was worse shit after they kept digging, dig and digging. And I think that he's probably where he should be, not coaching in the NHL. And it sucks. Like it doesn't feel good to do. And there was a point in time where they were denying it. So I felt maybe like maybe my job would have been in jeopardy with T&T. but given with what I'd heard behind the scenes,

I didn't care because I knew where the truth was. There was a 48-hour period where people were like, what the fuck is going on? Is this guy making up the fact that this guy's looking at players' phones or are they trying to cover it up? But the backstory, if people are listening and don't know, is Mike Babcock's kind of a legendary coach, Detroit Red Wing Stanley Cup, two gold medals in the Olympics,

and then was in Toronto and got let go. And then Columbus rehired him, and it popped up that he was bringing kids in or guys in for meetings and saying, hey, you know, what kind of guy are you? Let me see your phone. And he'd kind of start ripping through their pictures. And he'd set it up where it would end up going up

on like the computer screen. Airplane mode or whatever. And he's going through guys' pictures where the older guys are like, oh, this is my daughter, my son, my wife, where younger guys are kind of like. This is my call. It was uncomfortable. This is the vagina that this girl sent me the night before.

Put one of my belly button to. When the news, we recorded on a Monday, so it drops Tuesday morning. My buddy and I, Mike Carbone, we had our U.S. four ball qualifier. So I put my phone away. We teed off at say 8.30. And I just checked it on like the eighth hole to see scores.

And I had like 300 text messages and Twitter's going nuts. I'm like, oh, shit, this is, this is blowing up. And then when the Columbus Blue Jackets totally kind of shit on our story and was like, yes, he went through our phones, but it was mutual. there was a panic like no doubt your whole credibility and and you look like clowns like if they stick by this we're we're we're we're goons and yeah he has a job with the nchel and tn t and then finally some more some more news came out from the younger guys being uncomfortable but as he said it

that's not like we're we're looking to like add some humor and levity to the nchel and all of a sudden we're in the midst of like a of a big time story it was kind of like ah we didn't think it would turn into this but we also kind of felt it was right to mention what was was happening. Did it take like other players backing you up? Like if they come out and deny it at the bit at the beginning. I mean, I know how it ended, but like when they say, oh, no, that's not true. It's mutual.

Did it take just more players back? No, that's bullshit. Like he. So it's actually wild because it was NHL media day, as I said. And the reason why that's so important is the whole NHL was together. I believe it was in Vegas. So Colby Armstrong was there were luckily the PA was as well. So a few of the players that were there, they saw their reaction.

to what was being said. Because I think everybody was confused and they asked the players on the Columbus boot jackets who we had even heard that got called in and had to do it and confirmed through friends and then all of a sudden they were the ones denying it in the statement. So then like a member of the PA was kind of like

a couple of the guys had overheard and they're like, yeah, like we've been hearing about this for years. Like there was a designated guy in Toronto that would warn the players who were the new guys on the team. Hey, if he asked you to come. come in the office say your phone's in the car. Oh my God. So it's just like I, I, I, it's obviously a power dynamic and any job in in North America,

if you do that, you would get canned, right? I think we can all align on that. It was just more about the like, and somebody brought the point like, what if you have a player who was gay who hadn't came out yet and that's his secret and all of a sudden you got your coach rifling for your photos on your iPhone. It's just extremely unprofessional. And, and also what is he, what was he using? what he was seeing against certain players.

And the player that reached out to me obviously felt that that had been done to him. And that's why he was like, well. Yeah, that's just so wrong. And I mean, obviously, we've heard a lot about Babcock just from Mike Commodore. Yeah, he's a different animal. He's not the big thing.

Let me ask you this, though, because you're a T&T now. Yeah. And obviously, you're spitting chicklets so you can just let it rip. Yeah. I don't know how he like reels. It's hard.

That's my question. It takes a lot of brain cells. Because, I mean, it's just, sometimes it's just natural. to like come out and say fuck or something like that and there you are on national television and that doesn't go over too well he has said things though that you watch and you're like how is he able to say this on t-and-t yeah i've gotten pee-pwacked about four or five times but um they're awesome you know and i think we you know i i try to understand you know where i am at what time and there's a double

filter when i'm in that seat and yeah it takes a lot more brain cells the day of a broadcast to make sure i'm kind of raining things into like what would be appropriate and like where I want to be and what I want to provide as far as quote-unquote analysis. I don't know if you're getting much for me, more clown shit. But then to go back to chicklets and be like, you know, fuck this and, you know, whipping my horn out here, do helicopter cocktail in a story, whatever it goes, right? Because, but that's like, that's how I, I've been in a locker room since I was a kid. I went, I moved away from home when I was 16.

I grew up and have lived in a locker room and we just, that's how we talk in there. So when you're talking on there, that's maybe not as genuine. as who I am as a person who would be talking behind the scenes. But yeah, you try to be professional and you just pray that it all goes well. And the producers are sitting there just like probably just pray in every show. Like biz keep it on the, keep it on the track.

But you do a great job. Oh, you do, man. I mean, I mean, the good news is you've had Charles Barkley be there for years before that says a lot of the similar things that probably get slapped on the yeah,

you're on that level now where you can kind of get away with shit, which I think I've told a million times. Like that's the goal is to become the Charles Barkley where you can just say wild shit, people like, ah, it's It's true. It's just biz. It's just biz.

Like, that's the dream. But you still know your sport. It's not like you're not credible, but it's like you can get away with more shit. That's the best, that's the dream. Yeah, I got to try to walk that fine line for sure.

I appreciate that. Yeah, somehow, I think it's just because like, it's like, fuck, like look what I used to tweet out. I mean,

you know, it's like the bar was pretty low. I've actually risen it quite high at this point. So, you know, it's the least I can do. No, you do an awesome job,

man. y'all shows honestly incredible. You told me today I found interesting because you're too handicapped. You got a lot of game. You told me you didn't start playing golf. You were 25. Yeah, maybe 24, but I probably played like once a year growing up. You know, like my dad never played.

His dad, my grandfather was a really good player and he played a ton of golf, nonstop golf. And I actually, like, I went to the range with him in probably eighth grade, seventh grade. and I was a lefty pitcher, lefty hockey, lefty baseball batting. And I grabbed the club and just kind of started swinging at lefties. He's like, no, no, no, you can't be a lefty in golf. I think back when he was younger, I don't even know, he mentioned they didn't make lefty clubs and courses were made for varieties. I'm like, all right, whatever.

And at Woods Hole Golf Club. And is there something about that? I don't know about courses being made. But it is hard to get junior clubs. Like if you're a kid and you're like, hey, I need some clubs. go down in the store. Like, my brother's got one. Right now, a little kid just coming up playing.

He's like, dude, there's fucking no left-handed clubs. Oh, really? It's like, oh, you have like one set and it better. And maybe in the 60s and 50s, like, I don't know if they were making them as much. But granted, he was old school, but on the Woods Hole golf club or country club and found with Massachusetts down the Cape, for about five hours, I just hit balls righty. So to this day, I'm pissed off because I'm like, I was a lefty. And lefties just look cooler in my mind.

Yep. Every lefty has a great swing. It just looks great. In every sport, by the way, too. Everything. Ben Griffey Jr. It doesn't matter. Hockey's a little different.

I think there's more lefties than righties. But then I was into hockey and other sports, and I was so bad at golf. You'd go play. And the town I grew up in Citro of Massachusetts, probably eighth or ninth grade, they built a course. They built the hardest course in the world. I swear to God, it's a bowling alley. I don't know what they were thinking. So I'd go there.

I'd lose 10 balls. and the first five holes, all right, this is it. And then I became pro hockey player in summers. You know, you get older, your buddies are working and just started playing. And, you know, the bug, it's, you can't even describe it. It's like a drug. And I was just, you know, the first time you shoot 90, the first time you shoot 85, the first birdie.

So I think that my passion for golf probably derailed my career a little bit because, yeah, I was training in the morning. I was playing from 10.30 in the morning until sundown. every day. Hooked. Every single day. And then the whole joy of like getting better, going from a 15 to a 12 to an 8,

and then got down to like a scratch, not always playing like that, but handicap-wise. And then that's when you kind of see, oh my God, like it's almost more enjoyable on the ride down. Look, once you get to a zero or a one, you're like, oh, you kind of always a little disappointed most rounds.

You're like, oh, well, I had better than that. Whereas before that, I was like, oh, you know, you made two birdies instead of one. But I just, I fell in love with it. It actually, I've said on chicklets, a lot of guys, I think in any sport when you retire, golf might be a little different. It's kind of hard, right? You miss the guys.

You miss everything about it. It's been your entire life. And there's certain guys who could fall into a little bit of depression, feel a little bit lost. And I never felt like that. And it was all because of golf. I remember I went to Sweden my last year, played two games where I think it was minus seven. actually played a game in a period. The first period of the second game,

the first home game, I was minus three with the worst turnover ever. And I went into the coach. I said, hey, I'm done. I'm retiring. So I sat on the bench for the second and the third and I kind of took it all in. This is it.

And I remember, though, my mind, I was like, it was September 10th. I'm like, I'm going to get two months of golf when I get home. So I think the golf passion really helped me post-retirement. And I never felt upset and like missed. the game because I was just golf and that was before kids so I would in the winter we'd go down

like you said don't put me out there one more shift yeah I was like I'm I'm I retire and he's thinking I'm gonna get too much a golf he might have put me out there another shift that I know I told him that so I was getting ahead of it couldn't even wait until the end of the game yeah yeah I'll beat you to the punch so I got the bug in the worst way it's just I fell in love started watching it started playing it and and just yeah I love it I love it I think that's when so many athletes after they get done whether they love golf prior to retiring or not get to golf because they're like this is a thing I can still do I can still compete I can still gamble I still get that little locker room vibe with the boys and like some of them love it

before even when they're still playing you know like you you liked it when you're still playing but some just get it after like this is my way to stay competitive in the mix yeah and doing all the shit that I'm used to doing for my life and like I have never gotten the bug no he's he's he's his mind's moving a million miles and hours get all these jobs but like I've told him like buddy, I'm playing golf then. Like, I don't want to go do that because I want to play golf. And he understands it. But the competitiveness is the biggest thing.

Like, whether it's a member guest tournament or a money match, like 18th hole, like it gets your juices going. And that's the one thing you miss from playing sports. So it's awesome. It's just, it's a maddening game. And it's so unlike any other sport. I mean, you guys have done it for a living. I always say out there like, thank God I'm not doing this for a living.

Like, if that's how you're. making money, buddy? Like, I always say, like, you go out, you go out to the range of the golf, golf, the course, and the day before he shot even. And then you can't hit the ball and you can't putt and you can't chip. And I've said, like, you don't go on the ice and you can't skate. Yeah. It's, it's, but even you guys as pros, like, you just sometimes you just.

Sometimes you don't have it. And it's, and getting that in your mind as a golfer, it's hard to, it's hard to kind of realize and come to grips with. like, all right, today I don't have it. And the thing is, in terms of guys who are making money, you see guys, they lose their game. And it's like, this is my job. And all of a sudden, I got no game.

Like, what do you do? So I think the anxiety of pro golf, to me, I think, like, the anxiety must be through the rules, dude. You're on an island. It's just crazy how, like, one shot can change everything for you. Good or bad. Good or bad. I know.

Like Kevin Kisner, who's one, I believe, four times on the PGA tour, like literally can't hit it on the planet right now. I mean, he was one of the best players in the world. He was on the President's Cup team. Oh, exactly. He's just in the booth. And he's starting to do some TV now and stuff, but he's still trying to play. And it's just crazy.

I mean, this guy who's one of the most confident guys I've ever seen, it's just like one little shot. And it's like, holy shit. Has he been interviewed about it? And what's he's saying it is? He hadn't, he hadn't gone into depth about what's going on. He just says, like, you know, that's why I'm doing some booth stuff is because I'm not playing very good golf and not like deep dive into like, here's what I think. Here's what happened.

The driver or things like that. I remember for me, like, it was. I was always a very good putter. And we were at the British Open one year, and I was rolling along good on Thursday, got to the 10th hole, had this 60-footer, and the greens were kind of slow over there.

And I literally flinched at impact, and I blocked it 10 feet right of the hole. It caught a slope and went 50 yards off the green. Oh, no. And it fucked me up for, like, I literally, I would have to go cross-handed, like when I was putting long ones. Like, I would have the yips on the long one,

which is the dumbest thing ever, but it was one put, and it messed me up for like a few years. What? Yeah, that's how crazy this sport is. That's what's, I think, madding to people, And the whole, everyone listening is like, yeah, you get a feel.

And I, oh, I got a feel and you have three good rounds in a row. And then that fourth round, you're like, I'm doing the same thing. I'm doing exactly what I was doing. And then you can't wrap your head around it. So it's almost like the more I've come to grips with like buddy, like how to survive. Yeah, not even survive. The best golfers that I play with, like some guys at home that are legit amateur players. Like, they're unbelievable players.

And they're like, yeah, you just got up. you got to get it in the hole. And you can't get, I get wrapped up in like, I can't find the center of the face. It's going right. It's like, buddy, just get it in the hole. Those are the winners. Like, the days they don't have it,

they're like, I'll just find a way to get it in the hole. And I haven't, as millions of other people, that haven't been able to figure out how to just get in the hole. It's a beautiful game. The guy I worked with, he's never got a hole in one. Never. Tell your whole one story.

Well, I'll never get one. You'll never get one. It's karma. What? Why is that? So my grandfather, who got me into the game, probably about three years later, my buddy listening that was with me,

he's probably going to be laughing, but he sent us out to that same club, Woods Hole. I knew nothing about golf. Like I didn't, and he played the front nine with us, and he went home. He's like, play the back nine, and we'll meet you at home.

Because I had my license, to say I was 16 or 17. And I didn't know what a hole in one meant. I didn't know, like, the meaning behind it. And I was like, I said, my buddy Jack, I said, watch this. And we walked in the house. I'm like,

got a hole in one. I was just making it up. I was lying. And he's like, what? I was like, yes, 17th hole. It's this beautiful, picturesque ocean in the background. Just lied. Just straight up.

I was just fucking. But at the same time, I didn't know that it, like, you know. It's like a sacred thing. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And he's like, oh my God. And I could tell by his reaction.

I'm like, wow, he's like really fired up. Like this guy's like, why do you call him all your buddies, grandpa? And then the next time I saw him, he made a plaque. Oh, my name and the hole in the distance. And I never told him. He passed away. No, God rest is so. Paul Whitney.

So it's like, I know I'm never getting one. I actually played, I was with Rob Oppenheim. We were playing Interlocking. And that's so stupid. He cursed himself. And I hit, it was the 11th hole at Interlocking. And it was right at the pin. It landed over it.

It was a wedge and it spun back. And it lip. out and he's like oh my god was right there on the edge and i was like yeah that wasn't going in and i told him the story he's like oh yeah you're fucked you're never you know you're never goes goes under thinking he's like at least my well he's my grandson got up there right now and he's just he's just pushing it he's pushing it off the lip but i and i'm fine with it i understand i'll never get one i don't deserve one but having known and be as into golf as i am now i never would have said that like i was just a punk teenager fucking around

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Yeah, you watch a lot of golf. Oh, I watch everything. That's awesome. Everything. And enough where, you know, The Hawaii, the tournament of champions is on, and it's 8 o'clock Eastern, and it's January, and my wife's like, golf's on. I'm like, yeah, the season just starts.

She's just like, oh, my God. But yeah, I just dove right in and just, like I said, the bug, it's a sick thing. It's like a drug. Who's some of your favorites? So my new guy I was telling you on the course is this Ludwig? Yeah. Good call. Pretty good.

You know about this Swedish guy? No. He's from Sweden, and he went to Texas. Texas Tech, and I think he, I think he turned pro a year ago. He's top 10 in the world. Like Colt said, like this guy's, he's going to win majors. He's a handsome guy too. And buddy, he's a stud.

He's a starling. He's a stallion. Come on. But his swing. And for anyone listening, he probably, oh, yeah. No question about it. It's really not fair. No, no back hair on him for sure.

Just like a perfect human. Pull the sky out. He's like, Ivan Droddo. Put him on the TV. Put him on the big screen. But his swing. But his swing. But his swing.

But his swing. But he's a big. But he's a. But he's a. And I think fans would agree it's like back through. Like there's nothing to it. Like mine? Yeah,

but different. Yeah. But if you watch it, you'd be like, I can do that. Okay, let's see how handsome he is. And he makes it look so easy.

And he's smashing the ball. His golf swing looks like it's going to win so much shit. No shit, eh? We've been licking him since like the first day, like wait for this kid, watch this kid. And then it happened like, I mean,

so if you're a year old player, do you want to come over and play university in the United States? Or do they have their own? own development programs over there. A lot of them come over if they don't turn pro early. Most of them come over here. I mean, when you're that good, you get recruited by a lot of the schools in the states. But for him, it's actually a funny story.

I got killed because I said it on CBS. But he took two recruiting trips. And you've lived here. So you know how nice it is here. He took a recruiting trip to Arizona State and Texas Tech. And he chose Lubbock. I go, I kind of question his decision making. Yeah, but maybe it's more about this is going to be golf and golf only.

There was another Swedish. He can't hear one weekend. It's four knots. He's like, this place will get me on a corner. I'll never be on a tour if I come here. I'm like, who the hell was your host in Scottsdale that you didn't choose to come here? He just started laughing. He had a buddy, I guess, it was a couple years older from Sweden that played at Texas Tech.

So he's like, at least he knew somebody. And the coach in Texas is a stud. Like, he's a great dude. Wait until he's a beautiful love of him. He's like cigars. I mean, they call them, they call them kin, right? In college, his nickname was Ken because it's Barbie. Yeah.

Like he's like a perfect dude. You know what I mean? And his golf swing. The whole shit's just... Him and... I like Zaltors a lot. His swing's so nice to watch. That's happy's caddy?

Yes. Yes. And I like that he... So the guy, he hurt his back, he had to get back surgery, missed a long time. So not only did he have to kind of change his swing to protect his back after surgery, but he also, dude, this guy, he was the guy putting that it would go back in like a figure eight. So he went to this long putter, and now he kind of rolls it nice, right? It's a million times.

That's the Lydvig. We'll get one up. Bada boys. That's my guy. All right. Yeah. Oh, yeah. He's probably doing all right.

At least if he became on tour, I'm watching him. Like, this guy makes it look so simple. It's nuts. Yeah, man missile. Yeah, dude. He's not, he's not lacking. Yeah. He's a, he's a stud.

Who else? He said him, Zaltors. So I like Zaltors. There is. Rider Cup. He made the Ryder Cup. He was playing. That hat doesn't do him justice.

He was playing college, like six months before this. In May, yeah. May of 23, he was in college and then played Oh, is Ricky Fowler still buzzing? He had a comeback, right? He won last year? He won last year? He had won in five years.

That's a, I mean, you know, he went down for a little bit to make that Ryder Cup team was a big thing for him. You should know how this, dude, you're a golf broadcaster from the match. Oh, yeah. Me and DJ Collie putting our clown suits on. What a character that guy is. I was digging deep on some of the strategies. You know, DJ Callie thought he was playing in that match.

Oh, God. Was he that match between him and Charles? I forgot. So no laying up posted it because I think that they had somebody at the course like reach out to them to say it and when I asked him he was like no man they just hating and like but he totally thought he should I think he showed up that day thinking he was playing charles so no laying up reported and I texted biz so biz put out a video that's bullshit that's bullshit I was just getting colleague going so he's like oh they hate and I'm like I'm gonna hit the play

button here let's get you do your thing and no laying up's like check your sources and then like he he said on the pod the next time and biz is like no I think I think he did think he was We got to walk back. He was supposed to show up and play one hole with Charles. So Charles beat him on the first hole. And because he was so disappointed because he thought he was playing a whole round, he like roped him into doing a best of three. So Charles has a full broadcast to do that night. So in the afternoon, he ended up spending like an hour and 30 minutes on the golf course.

And Colleen won the next two holes. And he would not stop bringing it up. Even when the broadcast started, he just kept saying it. So then finally, we only got a couple. hits, right? And they go for the final hit. They're like, hey, hey, come over here. And I'm like, whoa, am I supposed to do the hit with Collie? They're like, no, they don't want DJ Colley anymore because he kept bringing it up. Yeah, non-stop. So I'm like, okay, so I went over away from the cart. And then as soon as the red light run, I'm like, I'm like, DJ, DJ, and I brought the thing. And they're like,

get the fun. And that was our last hit on television. And so I might as well have just showed up to the match and poured drinks for the Capital One sponsorship people. And, and I would have been the same amount I think we need you and Charles to play in one of the matches. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I would definitely want to get lessons. And I actually kind of met that Hank, well, I have met him, but know him a little bit, that Hank Haney guy, would he be a good guy to get lessons from? Big Hank?

Oh, yeah. He'll get you, dad. Work with Tiger. Okay. You know what I mean? Well, that's what I couldn't fix Charles. I feel like it would be a funny, like, because he seems like probably like a drill sergeant. Yes.

Yeah. Because that's, he would talk to Tiger like that where he would. he liked that where he would be a funny video of him just giving it to me yeah but buddy that guy i read his book and he writes a book about tiger like and definitely wasn't supposed to or tiger didn't like it buddy in the book he's like a tell he's like he's like tiger got up and because he would go stay with him when he coached him okay and he's like tiger got up and he went to his freezer and he got himself an ice cream cone and he didn't ask me if i wanted one that's in the book no he's like he got a popsicle and he didn't ask me if i wanted one as i was me as i was

Reading out of my eye this fucking guy Wining about not getting off For an ice cream cone from Tiger Hank I'll get you an ice cream cone for lessons I'll get you I'll get you a dairy queen Dipped cone for for golf lessons Hank call me All right as non like golf isn't y'all's thing

You're hockey guys but you you're a part of the match You watch the match and going forward We were talking about this on the course a little bit today We'll have them get buckled beforehand Those shout out to Capital One They spare no expense on putting those on They did the night one this year I think that the whole thing was like over 10 in production.

So it was just a real cool event. So I think that maybe moving forward, they obviously want pro golfers because the shots are nice, but I don't think maybe the people would care as much about that as they would maybe hearing like old school guys sling stories. Like even if imagine like, imagine having like Wayne, Brett Hall and like a couple other old timers out there. I would love to do it with wit against Charles and Wayne Gretzky.

I think that that would be a fun for. And maybe I don't think the golf world's going to be tuning into that one. That's the problem. I need a couple golfers. I don't know. So here's the thing though is the last one they had the biggest golfer in the world currently aside from Tiger the biggest draw Roy McElroy. And I think that they got about 650,000 in viewership. So you're telling me if Wayne people are saying Wayne Gretzky's going to be the next match that they ain't going to get that many people watching. No, I don't think it's Wayne. I think it's me and you that they bring the viewership down. Yeah, but that wasn't the sell.

I sent the foursum. We're coming as a package deal here, baby. Come on. I would watch it. It'd be great, and Charles is just, I mean, it's hilarious. He's not scared of shit talking. What about you on the mic, like getting us going, getting us fired up, getting the shit chocking. You in there and like chirping guys a little bit because it's get them going, bust some balls.

I would love to. I would say turn it even more into a circus. Let's get DJ Collies back for a three hole in the midst of it all against Wayne and Charles. Because it's not real golf. Like, if we want to see, like, good golf. Golfers play real golf. We see it every week on the PJ tour.

This is more for like the shit show and like most people favorite thing about it is like what did Chuck say? Yeah. That's like the highlight of the night. Chuck said some crazy shit.

Why don't you just make that the whole thing get celebrities, fun guys, big personalities and make it more of a gong show than just like. He's unbelievable. I could listen to that guy read the phone book

and look it for an eight hour bro. He's the funniest fucking man alive. He's like Thomas O'Hanley? What the fuck's that name? I mean, I'm not the biggest NBA fan, but I watch. Yeah.

NBA on TNT just to see what he says. Same. Same. Him and Shack going at it. I'm like, it's fantastic. Yeah. Considering it's the worst regular season product, maybe even playoffs, until you get to the third round of NBA big semifinals, it's a, I mean, regular season,

he's the only, they're the only reason to watch. Yeah. They're great. I mean, his, his deal about the big women of San Antonio a few years ago with the chore. That's what I'm saying. I have a lot of have the same experience there as Chuck, but I love to give it a second chance. Give me this favorite road city when you were playing. Chicago.

I love Chicago. Think about it for a second. I just always remember. I've said many times on Chicklets that it's like bigger than Boston, small than New York. It's like the best of both worlds. I just love the downtown. I know it gets a bad rap for maybe some crime reasons these days, but we were just there. So I think just popped my head.

And I think playing the Blackhawks in their heyday with the fans and the anthem, it was incredible. I would get goosebumps. I would always be a healthy scratch. I'd get my gear off and get out of the room. And I would run around to where the Zamboony would come out just to watch them come out to, it was Ted Nugent Stranglehold during when they had their dynasty of the three cups. And then the anthem and everybody cheering during the whole anthem. As far as Road City.

So it's always a tough question. But for different reasons, I have different answers. All my friends were in Vancouver. So I got to go, like, be in a city. And I mean you spend like two or three days there. and then like the women there were just unbelievable and you're in a Canadian market so at the fact that we would always be there for two, three nights and it was just a riot. That was probably top two or three. And then Nashville would be another one of my answers just because that's a city where you can get away, not many hardcore hockey fans.

So we would go to the entire team and no one really notices you and you just kind of blend in. You get to embrace the live music. and that's where most of the married guys would just like to go out to a chill bar and listen to music, not some nightclub. So a lot of the team bonding would happen there and that was to me one of our best ones. And it was always Chicago, Nashville, same trip.

And it would be a five-day trip so we get some time and eat shitties. Yeah, it was awesome. Pretty women, country music and some booze. There's a reason the whole world is moving there right now. I know. My brother, one of them. Exploding. It's awesome.

Exploding. Yes, I mean, the place is sick. Yeah, it's kind of like here of the western side of the country. Well, guys, man, this has been awesome. Congrats on all your success. Thank you so much. Same to you guys. I listen.

It's a blast to listen to the serious show and your pod. It's awesome listening. So thanks for having a song. And we got to do this birdie juice collab. Oh, yeah. Let's make that go. We should announce it at a sandbagger. Maybe we do a couple of golf shirts with a fun little logo.

Four big brains like us get together. Oh, my God. The entrepreneurship. Oh, my God. Bezos. Next thing you know, we get sued. We're like, what happened? Yeah, we'll worry about that later.

Yeah, exactly. Well, we love you, boys. Appreciate you. Today was a blast. Thanks for coming on. Thank you. You guys are the best. Thank you.

All right, that was the boys from spit and chicklets, joining us on golf subpar. And boys, a couple of beauties. They're fun, fun dudes to hang out with great golfers. Witt, very impressed with Witt's game. Biz got all the potential in the world. Also, that was great that biz was on the match with Cal. And Cali.

Every time brought up bringing. in Barkley, which I actually thought was funny. It was like he was just beating the joke to death, which I actually enjoyed, by the way. Oh, they're great, man. And congrats to them on all the success, their show. I mean, massive podcast. And then Biz over on T&T. I mean, he's, he's the Charles Barkley of that show in the hockey world. He is hilarious. He makes it fun, makes it entertaining. Like I said, I don't watch every game, but anytime I can watch the pre and post game with Biz on it, I'm tuning in. Yeah, he has become like the where you can just get away with saying shit that other people can. I think that's the

dream world to be in. But at the same, same time, both of those guys, like their show that's grab ass, they have a good time, laugh, do all this stuff. But also, like, you want to get down to it and talk to, like, real hockey? Like, they do it. They're just a great combo. And I think it's like, yeah, it's, it's something that I think hopefully we try to do on the golf side as well. I look forward to hopefully, we do it, the Bertie Juice collab, which I think will be awesome. And then getting that sandbagger. We got to figure that, yeah, we'll have to figure out how that's going to work out, but we got to make that happen at some point.

A lot of fun with them. All right. Let's get on to the Valero, Texas Open, San Antonio. Fricking hard golf course. So hard. Way too hard. Windy every time. Miss the fairway. It's rocks. This is where Kevin Naum made like a 19 or whatever.

Yeah. On the ninth hole. Yeah, it was solid. Yeah. You can get some trouble out there. Seems like a lot of guys, like they love the place and they seem to play well there every year.

I mean, Charlie Hoffman has the t-shirt. Tell him about the T-shirt. Charlie Hoffman has a T-shirt. It says Valero, Texas Open and his career earnings from the tournament on it because he plays a loan. It doesn't he get new one every year? Like if he makes whatever,

$100 grand. like he gets a new shirt, then it changes. I'm pretty sure some random guy sent it to him and he's like, rocks it. He just wears it everywhere. Yeah, I actually don't know if he makes new ones or not, but he does have one where he wears it, and that's beautiful. Like he has a great track record there, Billy Horschel, Corey Connors. Kevin Chappell seemed to always play well there.

It seems like some guys just really like this golf course. It's a ball strikers golf course. So I'm not going to think I'm not going to surprise you with my favorite this week. Obviously, Roy McElroy is the favorite. Ludwig Oberg is the second favorite. But going down there at 22 to 1. The guy who's won here, and he did it by Monday qualifying, won the golf tournament.

The guy that you picked, it seemed like maybe 40 times last year. Every week. The Canadian Cory Connors, who flushes it. I got them written down here, believe it or not. Well, you just thought, you kind of, it's like, yeah, there's certain guys that seem to play well here over and over. I think it, we call it a ball strikers golf course, okay? Every ball, every golf course, you know, you need some good balls throwing.

But this one, like, I just kind of, it's everything. Like, I don't care how you put. You can't be terrible, but it's T-Ditch. to green everything. Who's better than him. Flushes it. Great track record here. That's exactly where I win as well. We're on the same page. All right. Let's see what we do here. Yeah. So going a little further down the board, 55 to 1. Also a great ball striker. I just think it's a matter of time before this guy gets his first win. Give me Eric Cole. Like that. Plays good in South Florida. Windy, kind of same conditions they get in Texas. I'm going to the guy, similar vein, I guess.

Lucas Glover, 90 to 1. Great ball striker. Putter. You know, eh. But the ball. But the ball. He can flight it down. He can do anything. He's top 11, finish 11th at the Valspar. So a little bit of form there. But, yeah, I'm just looking for guys that can pierce it and hit it, you know, make it do what they want in the wind. And he's one of them.

Not many hit it better than LG. Oh, by the way, if you want to get on that Hoffman train, plus 17 foul, might want to hold on that one. That's a car. Throw a couple bucks down on that. Yeah, a couple bucks on Chuck. I mean, hell, he almost one here at WFN's over. Yeah, exactly.

You didn't have the track record at Phoenix that he does in Texas. Come on, Segal. get it going. Get a new shirt. Get a new shirt. I love it. All right. That's going to do it for us.

We'll talk to you on next week's subpar.