Subpar - Tim Clark Interview: Stories from the Presidents Cup, Winning The Players

Episode Date: March 30, 2021

On this week's episode of GOLF's Subpar, two-time PGA Tour winner Tim Clark joins former PGA Tour pro Colt Knost and his close friend and on course rival Drew Stoltz for an exclusive, in-studio, interview. The runner up of the 2006 Masters talks his journey from South Africa to North Carolina State, being a part of three Presidents Cup teams, and finally breaking through for his first PGA Tour victory at the 2010 Players Championship.

All right, here we go. Welcome to another week of golf subpar, Colt Nost Drew Stoltz. Sleys, what a week for us. We got two wins in one week. We got Billy Ho, winning the WGC match play, and our man, Joel Damon, getting his first ever PJ tour win down the Dominican. Special record-setting week here for golf subpar. I feel like we're kind of hopefully becoming like the reverse Madden Curse. You're going on Madden cover, you can have a dog shit season, come on subpar. Maybe something good happens. But yeah, we got both of them back-to-back. Shout out to both those guys for getting big wins. Joles was especially, I think, impactful for the both of us, really, because, I mean, I grew up playing the mini tours with that guy,

watched him go through every level of mini tour, Canada, cornfrey, now the PJ tour. That was, I got a little bit emotional watching that one happen, just because I know all he's been through with the health things and with his family and all that too. Pretty cool to see him get that one done. I know he celebrated like a beast. Yes, as he should have.

Probably had a lot of Austin cocktails, if I was guessing. He should. But here's a guy, I mean, how crazy this game is. He missed seven of eight cuts coming into this week with his only cut he made was at Pebble, I believe, and he finished T60. So zero form going in. Zero. That just shows you how good the guys on the PJ tour are. They can figure it out at a matter of time and then go out and win a golf tournament.

I mean, he's a guy, I feel like he's in our minds, probably one of the best players in that field. But with the form coming in, I don't know if anybody even looked at him. And there is at the end of the week, poised in the trophy. Yeah, it's like our survival pool. We go in every week. I'm trying to find guys that are playing good. I'm staying away from guys that are playing bad, but you just never know in golf. It takes one week, find something on the range, you just go into a week and feel good for whatever it was.

But Joel had really no reason to believe that he was going to be the winner at the end of the week. And then sure enough, there he goes, and he gets his first PJ tour. Also cool that these opposite field events, they don't get all the pub. They don't get all the media attention. Clearly the World Golf Championship, the match play is going to get all that. But you get the, like, you almost always get the better stories. You get a first-time winner or a journeyman guy that's been out there for forever and finally peels one off or something. And it still, it changes their life.

I know they don't get the masters and all the majors and things like that, but two-year exemption and all that stuff. First time to really take a breath for a lot of these guys that went for the first time and say, okay, my job is secure now for the next two years. That's a huge, huge deal in the world of golfing. And it just couldn't be happier for Joel. Yep. It was a huge win for Billy Horshaw in Austin.

You know, gets a six PJ tour win, moves up to 11th in the Ryder Cup standings. He's 17th in the world now. A guy that has got to be on Captain Stricker's radar now. Yeah, without question. He moved up to 11. Then another guy, the guy he beat that day, Scotty Sheple, another guy that's got to be drawn some attention. I mean, you look at his path through there. There's no easy path, period. But in one single day, I had to take on in Polter, John Rom, same day, two of the blue chips for the European team. I think Stricker was probably taking note of that. And he took every shot from Polter. Polter was doing what he does, holding in the long

putts, going crazy and all that. And Scotty just took in his stride, gave it right back to him. And at the end of the day, Polter posted that video on Instagram or whatever it was. Like, sometimes just run into a brick wall and that was Scotty. The championship match wasn't the golf, I know, the Cowbird Golf we all expected, but dude, seven rounds, every one match play, you're living and dying by every shot. It was blowing 20 plus, gusting up to, you know,

mid-20s, high 20s. That's a hard conditions for guys that are on their seventh match of the week, so golf wasn't the best, but that was a hell of a week. That match plays fun to watch, man. I mean, who would have thought Scotty Sheffler be in the finals? Yeah, who could have predicted that. Maybe, me? We'll get to that here in a little bit, But we got to get, we're not going to give away the complete results of what happened

because we had a very special moment happened recently. We finally had the hockey bet. Finally got it out there. Finally happened. We don't want to tell you all how it ended because I think the video is going to be unbelievable. Our team does an unbelievable job here. So I don't want to spoil too much of it, but just let's give, give me a little thoughts on how you think you performed on the ice this past week.

Yeah, our team's editing the video right now. A lot of footage. Can't wait to see what that looks like. But I'll tell you this, dude, I was legit nervous going into this thing. I was fully prepared and I knew going in. I knew what I got myself into. I didn't ever think the bet would happen, period. But now that it did, I have the man up.

You got to get out there, get in the arena. I was prepared to make a complete ass myself. And based on, we'll see how the video turns out, there's a good chance I did that. But I'll say that's, I left it all on the ice, dude. I competed. I went out there. I did everything I could. I won't give away the results of everything.

But I can hold my head high at the end of this thing. I gave it the old college try in that deal. More nervous. Q school or getting on the ice for the first? first time. The ice part was nervous. The skating around the ring part, I was nervous because like, dude, I've never done it. And even if I catch on in like 10 minutes, it doesn't matter because if I bust my ass first time around, I lose the bat, right? So I was nervous doing that. The peak nerves was when finally, after all these years of talking shit, I lined up,

however many yards away from Ray Whitney, I was staring out. And I was like, what am I doing? He was standing there, no pads, no helmet. He was not scared. Could not have looked concerned. I was sitting there. I was like, what if I break my shoulder? I had 18 different strategies I'd contemplate do I dive at his knees but then I could bust my face so I said go high he's going to level me how low can I go without killing myself a lot of things were in play there but dude it was fun like legitimately fun I also completely underestimated how tired I would be after doing all that I mean I took the helmet off by the way the helmet we had to try about six before one fit around my fat head to every piece of gear I had smelled like the worst clothing you could like it had been just sitting in a trunk for a month after after a sauna session that helmet the chin strap kept sliding up my chin and into my mouth and I mean it literally smelled like I had my nose inside of a butt. It was the worst smelling thing I'd ever smell. I couldn't get it down because I had the cage in. I was like, dude, I'm breathing in butt air right now. How am I expected to hit some pucks with this going on?

But dude, it was fun. It also took me 30 minutes to get dressed and Ray pretty much dressed me the entire time. Yeah, well, you did a hell of a job. The video is going to be awesome. I can't wait. Good news is you're here. I'm going to find a new co-host. That's the other thing. I'm alive and I got all my faculties. All right. Well, let's get to this week's guest. We got our man, Tim Clark, you know, it's the week before Augusta. Here's a guy who finished runner-up at Augusta National. Collected a few crystals around there for making some eagles. But Tim Clark, South African, President's Cup team member,

one of the funniest dudes on the planet, had a blast sitting down with him. Fun to be with him. And also one of those guys, like, he's really, I feel like maybe like a Jeff Ogilvie or something like that. He's super thoughtful with his answer, right? He doesn't just give you the generic, oh, this or that, blah, blah, blah. He'll give you, like, legitimate, what are he's thinking, whether it's about his career, someone else is a certain event,

whatever it might be. So, dude, it's always fun sitting down with Timmy. Timmy's the man, a man who did not overpractice in his career. Respect. I know you like that. Respect. You're a big guy. Tim was the guy that would come home Sunday night after tournaments,

chill for a couple days, don't even bring his clubs, and then fly back Tuesday night, Pro Am, tee it up, let's go. I always wanted to be one of those guys. I was just never good enough to do it. To quote the great Kenny Powers, practice is the crutch of the talent list. There you go.

Practice for people with no talent. Timmy's got talent, so he didn't have to. I had to go out there and grind and still stunk. All right, well, no, we don't need to say anything else. Here's Tim Clark on golf subpar. All right. We have longtime PGA Tour veteran with us here today. He's the winner of the 2010 Players Championship, the 2014 Canadian Open,

and three-time member of the International Presidents' Cup team. Timmy Clark, welcome to the show. Thank you, boys. Cheers, Tim. This has been a long time coming. Well, exactly, yeah. I realize now I was maybe down here being Players Week and all, and it's been about a year since I spoke with you guys.

You're on the, well, we've talked since then, Tim. Well, of course we've talked. We had you on our series XM gravy in the sleeves and gave some unbelievable insight into the players championship, which we'll get into later. But we want to start at the beginning. Grew up in Durbin, South Africa. Picked up a club when you were three years old, obviously, very, very early.

And what age you know golf was kind of Tim Clark's thing? I mean, it was almost right away, to be honest. My brother, who was five years older, so I had that older sibling that I always wanted to try and beat. So even early on in those three, four, five years old in the yard with the plastic ball in the cut down club, I could tell I was pretty competitive. But really, I think it was at eight, I was playing a junior event at my club and made a one. And all of a sudden, I got in the newspaper and stuff like that.

And I quite enjoyed that attention around the golf game. So very early on, I was pretty hooked and playing almost every day of my life. What meant you wait all the way to the age of three to get started? That's when we moved to the house in my little hometown, which happened to be on the golf course. Tell us about Durban. I want to know, like, what's Durban? How big is it? Is golf a big thing there?

What's it like growing up there? Well, I mean, I'm from a small town, about 35, 40 minutes outside of Durban where, I don't know, we've got like 3,000 people. And everyone in that town works. There's a big pulp and paper factory. So both my parents work there, all my friends' parents work there. So kind of a factory town, I guess, but on the ocean with a golf course. You know, so we were just very lucky growing up to have that opportunity to be able to play on a golf course. It was really affordable.

And with great weather, you know, it was really great. And Durbin itself seemed like such a huge town to me at that stage. It wasn't somewhere we went a lot. And later on in life, once I was 18. and allowed to hit the bars. There was always one trip a week back to Durban to see some of my golfer buddies that lived there and have a night out.

That was awesome. What was your, do you remember, when was your first trip to the United States? I was lucky enough to come in my final year in high school. They had selected two junior players to come and play some junior events over here. And then part of that group, Rory Sabatini, with us. So it was myself, a kid by the name of Titchmoor and Rory, and we came over to play,

well, we didn't really know what was going on. Essentially, we were sent on our own with no chaperone. We were all 17 years old. Perfect. Stuck on a flight and really didn't know what we were doing. But we played an event in Buffalo, New York was our first event. We housed with a lovely family there, and I think it was a match play event. and was the most amazing thing because we grew up on the coast, Bermuda,

get to Buffalo, New York, and it's just bent grass everywhere. So you know Rory well enough. We get out there, and he was just so excited to pull out his sandwich and hit divot sort of three feet long and spin the ball back off the green. I was going to let you finish, and I was going to apologize that you had to hang out with Rory for so long. But whatever.

But he ended up winning the tournament. He won the thing. So after that, they flew up. us, well, we had flights to Las Vegas, right? Oh boy. To play in an AJGA event. They didn't even give us spots to the AJGA event. We all had to Monday qualify.

So here we are. The three best junior players in South Africa didn't even get a spot in an AJGA event in Vegas. So we took a red eye, landed in Vegas at like, I don't know, she's seven in the morning or six in the morning, had to go and play the qualifier the same day. and unfortunately I was the only one to qualify the other two missed

and then that was our trip the following week was the world was the what's the world the world junior junior world and we weren't allowed to play because we were South African so we came all this way to play one event to Monday qualify and head back

how can you not play the world juniors if it's a world well it was you know we were banned at the time so this was 90 92 it would have been, no, 93. So, yeah, I get it. You know, I mean, that's what it was, but certainly to make us Monday qualify for an AJ GA event. You come over for two events and you go back,

and then you come back for college. You went to North Carolina State. What was, I mean, you're playing in South Africa. I don't know how much exposure you got to college coaches. I'm guessing maybe they saw you in those two events. Well, that was it. During those two events, I bought my resume of what I'd done and handed it out.

And I do remember playing one of the rounds at that Vegas tournament. And I think Dwayne Knight was following. Dwayne. And I had 18 pars. Never forget it. Had 18 pars.

Needless to say, I never got a call from any coach about coming to play. And I always had wanted to. I mean, at a high school, I really wanted to. And I'd done a fair amount in South Africa. You know, I'd made the South African junior team.

I had been a run-up in the South African amateur. Actually, when I was 16 years old, I was the run-up and the stroke play and the match play. So there was two years before I even finished high school. And at the time, Manny Zerman, Gary Matthews was in Arizona. The animal. Then Rory, actually, after all that, got to Arizona.

And I'd always hope to come over, but it just didn't happen for me. So for the two years after high school, I just worked in the pro shop at my club and practiced and worked on my game. So then how did the offer from North Carolina State come? Yeah, that's a pretty random story too. So I'm at home, I'm playing, and I think at this point I had made the Eisenhower team, which is the world amateur team. And we went to Paris and played, and lucky enough to play with Tiger in one of my rounds.

So that was a big deal. But I was back home playing in an amateur event in Durban at Durban Country Club, and playing with a kid by the name of Peter Matt, I mean, Tony Matkovich. And I was just telling to him and asked him what he'd been doing for the last year. And he's like, well, I'm playing college golf at NC State. I said, man, I've always, you know, I always wished I could have come over and played. And we chatted a bit and didn't think much of it. So his dad was, is a famous golf course design in South Africa.

He's designed a bunch of golf courses there. And his best friend was Simon Hobdey, who was a longtime European tour player and champions to a player over here. So he came over to watch Simon play at the US senior at Pinehurst, and which Simon Hobday ended up actually winning. During that trip, he spoke to the coach at NC State and said, listen, there's a kid in South Africa who would love the opportunity to come play in the States.

I think he would make your team. You should maybe give him a call. And that's really what started it. So if you don't get that pairing, maybe that never happens. Never happens. Is there enough stuff you can play in South? It sounds like you were doing it all, but can you do enough to get noticed from, like, U.S. coaches in South Africa?

Kind of because of what some of the other guys had done. You had Manny Zerm and you had Warren Skutter, who went to UNLVU, who, you know, Mani went to two U.S. Amateur Finals. Warren was an NCAA champion. So they could really see, if they had looked at what I'd done, they could have seen that I was good enough, but for some reason, you know, I needed,

I would have definitely needed a full ride. to come. So, you know, who knows, why that was. But yeah, it just didn't happen at the time. And luckily, I got the opportunity when I did. You said you always wanted to come over here and play, but still, I imagine it's got to be kind of tough packing all your stuff up and be like, okay, I'm out of here. I'm going to the United States. I also got a couple letters after that trip when I was in high school that I could come and try out for the team. You know, that's a little bit of an expense for a kid in South Africa. Needs a full ride. So Enceesies. So, State offers you, if it had been, did you know anything about NC State other than you

had buddies that went there? Would you have gone to any school? I would have gone anywhere, I would have gone anywhere given the chance for sure. But yeah, Coach Sykes called me up. I think it was sometime in October. You know, and I was just quite shocked by the call. I had no idea that Mr. Matkovich was going to do this for me. And coach Sykes said, listen, I've got a spot has opened up for the spring semester. If you want to come, it's there. I mean, no, I'd been out of high school for two years. I'm like, I got to get, I got to get the SATs done and all that. And, you know, so I ran around, got all that done.

That was pretty easy. Then we had to convince the school that I'd taken science in high school. So how do you convince someone that you took it in high school? Because I didn't exactly take a science. I took home economics. So we said, no, that's science. That's a science. You know, boiling an egg is pretty tough.

Yeah, that went through and bought my ticket on Christmas Day. I left South Africa on Christmas Day because that's the cheapest flight. And when I landed in Raleigh, it was snowing, and I'd never seen snow before. Wow. Welcome to America. I mean, you had a really good college career. You're, you know, ACC player of the year. You go on, you went the 1997 USGA Public Links, which gets you into the Masters. Yeah.

I mean, do we have any good amateur stories about you being at Augustine National? well that was obviously a lot of fun but just getting back to the day i landed in in raleigh in the snow coach had never seen me play before so the first thing he did after 30 hour flight in the snow he took me to hit balls perfect he wanted to see what i had you already signed what's what's he gonna do he was just curious he was impressed yeah also after 30 hours you still had it but he was shocked that i had iron covers on my irons because you know and south africa you get to set irons those things need to last you forever right so yeah i had these iron covers he's like I'd never seen these before.

And if I had, it's on a player that can't break 80. So he was quite happy to see me hit a few down the fairway. But, yeah, Augusta, quite a few good stories from that week. Well, we love the nest. Were you up in the nest? I was in the nest. I was able to, with some of the tickets that I got, get rid of the tickets. and the people bought my parents a flight over to watch.

So there was the first time my father had been out of Africa. He had never left Africa. He'd been in Zimbabwe and around Africa, but that was the first time he ever left the continent of Africa and it was the only time. Augusta first spot. Yeah. That's pretty cool. Had my brother Caddy for me,

and he was at the time living in Northern Ireland. So I was lucky enough to be able to get the whole family there. And all the people at NC State rallied around. they had a place to stay. A family called the Cachians, whose son was on the team with me when I first got there. They happened to live in Augusta, so my brother and parents got to stay with him.

And, yeah, I stayed up in the old crow's nest. Who, I mean, any notable pairings? How'd you play? Well, the first thing that comes to mind is the most nervous I was all week was on the first tier of my practice round. Because, you know, playing in college, you might have five, ten spectators, max, right?

I get in the first tea in my practice round on Monday with Gary Player and all I see is people. And I'm like, you know, you get the old shakes to get the ball on the tea. And I'm thinking, God, don't kill someone. But once that was done, the rest of the tournament actually, I was kind of dreading it for a few weeks. And, you know, I had some college events going into it. And I was, all I could think about is what's going to happen to me at Augusta. Am I going to just like flip out? I don't know why I was thinking that way, you know, but you're just thinking, man, am I?

you know, what's going to happen. And once I got through that practice round, then it actually became quite enjoyable. I didn't play my best golf, but it was just, it's still to this day, probably the best experience I've had on a golf course over any win or anything else that I've ever done. Those few days playing as an amateur is the greatest time. Did you know Gary Player at all going into that when you got paired with him? You know, for the practice round? We had, no.

That's got to be cool. The interesting story which I told him is he used to do exhibition. around South Africa. And when I was about six years old or seven years old, he played in the town where I went to high school, a little golf course. And in one of the holes, he hit it in the bush. And I was the smallest guy there,

and I was the only one able to get in there and retrieve his ball for him. So I reminded him about that. And I still have a card from that day that he signed. But other than that, no, I'd not met him or, you know, and... Oh, my God. I can't imagine. That's like a dude from here playing with Tiger. you know like you i assume he was the guy that you kind of looked up to yeah as a kid yeah and and we

were we were even paired for the first uh the first round i believe oh you're paired with gary the first yeah i think it was just the first round it was the first round they repaired after the first day back then and uh he actually made the cut i think he was like 64 years old and he he made the cut that yeah that's wow yeah i don't know they repaired either after the first day yeah um yeah they did i didn't realize it either i remember the year uh i believe foul only played with Tiger in 97 the first day. Yeah. One day?

Because my second, my second, yeah. My second round I played with Craig Stadler and Scott Simpson. Oh, there you go. And there was another one of the greatest moments of my life. We, uh, me and my brother would watch Augusta at two, three in the morning when it was on, you know, my parents didn't mind. So, uh, Craig Stadler was always a favorite of ours, you know. And he always played well there.

If you ever remember in those, in the 80s and that, there's always a, same guys in the league board, Craig Stadler, Tom Kite, Norman, you know, so I get to play with him on Friday and he, I think he misses a like an eight-footed on the first for Bertie. And the next thing we get to the ninth hole and he's like four or five under par. And my, me and my brother just looking at each other like, wow, I mean, how's this guy? And he's got about a four-footer for Bertie at Augusta. And you know that green, the crowd is right on the green. I mean, everyone's very close.

And he misses the putt, right? And he takes his putter and he hits the ground. And he puts like a putter mark in the ground. Oh, boy. So now we're like, oh, you know, my brother, we look at each other and we think, ooh, he's going to go fix that, right? Then he takes the putter and hits it the other way and puts like an X in the green. That doesn't sound like Craig.

And now we're like, and now we're just thinking, oh my God, did you see that? So anyway, he taps in, he fixes it up and he goes up to the 10th T. And there they've still had the water cooler with the, with this cone cups, you know, that come out. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And he rips a cup out, but like 50 cups come out. And they're blowing all over the tea box. And eventually he just kind of looks at us and he smiles. This isn't my best moment, guys.

No, but he was having, he kind of was having fun. You know, he looked at us and he smiled. then, you know, you can see he thought it was pretty funny, you know. When you're a past champ, you can do that. Yeah. And then walking, this is something that stuck with me too. Walking down that fairway, I asked him, how much do you play and practice anymore? He says, I don't practice at all.

And I guess I took that too hard. I was going to say, that's the Tim Clark. We'll get to that in a second. I actually believe that. Yeah, that's the way you live. I mean, it's awesome. But you turn pro later on that year in 98. You get out on the tour 2001.

I mean, pretty quickly. had successful on the now corn fairy tour but you went through a long stretch where you were the best player to never get a win made the most money of anybody on the pGA tour before you got to win before you finally broke through at the players but before that how much to like not winning way on you and did you ever get tired of being like the obviously the media being like um tim are you ever going to get this first win yeah it was tough i mean when i came out listen your first year out all you're trying to just keep your car right unfortunately my very first year i blew out my wrist surgery so at at in Hawaii so literally one of my first events so my first real year on tour was

under medical so you don't know when you're getting in tournaments it was difficult now I barely kept my card right so that was a win to at that point I wasn't thinking about winning tournaments I mean I'm just trying to get my feet wet and but then each year after it got easier and easier and even early on my second third year I felt like I had the game to win you know and and listen Sometimes you have close calls and you throw tournaments away. Sometimes you just get beat. And that just seemed to be what was happening with me. Through all that, I was able to win a few European events,

which I hardly ever played over there, but I played. I won a couple South African opens when I was at home in December on time off. I would play. And then, you know, I won the Scottish Open one year prior to the British Open, which is a big event in Europe and had, you know, full and Ernie and Routif. all the Darren Clark, Lee West, they were all in that field. So there was a big tournament.

So, you know, it wasn't like I had not won at all. At least I'd won somewhere else as a pro. But certainly on tour, yeah, I got to a point where I'm like, well, this just might not happen. You know, nine years deep. Eight seconds. You know, and a few health things along the way, you're thinking, gee, you know, is this going to happen?

And even that year of the players, I think I'd had a second earlier on in that year. I think maybe Palm Springs or somewhere. But I knew I was getting close. I was working the right things. It had nothing to do with my game. It was all up in my head. It was all trying not to think about that win. And finally, at the players, it all just clicked, you know?

Yeah, and people point to that 2010 players as, like, your first win. But like you said, you'd won all over the world prior to that. So it wasn't like you didn't know how to close. You just hadn't done it on the PJ Tour yet. When you finally did it at the players, was there something like that you'd learn you can put your finger on that you've learned over the time of being close so many times or was it just a matter like hey that that sunday it all just went my went my way no i learned quite a bit i mean because i was struggling with my game going into the players and i took when i struggled i

didn't get the range i just put the clubs away so two weeks i had two weeks off i didn't do much and then that weekend before the players i went to the range and just a minor little thing in my golf swing i raised my hands up felt good for the monday of the players i did a a fundraiser in Raleigh at NC State. It just happened to be the day of their fundraiser. I was not playing great. I'm like, yeah, I'll just go there for the Monday. You know, next day, flew to the players,

played nine holes, played nine holes on Wednesday. Just so my caddy could hit the shot on the par three. But my game actually felt really good. I knew I'd found something because I was hitting great. And I even found something with a putter. But it was more just the attitude. That Sunday, I tried not to think about winning. I really tried to.

stay in because I was playing well I tried not to think any further ahead of that I said you know your routines are good you're swinging good just stay focused on what you can do which was which was just that you know and that's what happened that part on 18 I mean I I just felt ready to make that put whereas early on in the year in palm springs I had a same length put to make a playoff and I hit a horrible put but that time I just didn't let the moment get the better of me really what let's talk about, obviously, that weekend, you shoot 66, 67 to get the job done by one over Robert Allenby, I believe. But let's talk about because you've told us a great story about when you got to 17 on Sunday, which obviously everyone knows the island green at Sawgrass, can do some funny

things to your body. Take us through that walk from 16 green over to 17 when you're in contention to win the players. Yeah, I mean, the whole time you're doing that, you're trying not to look at the green. You're just trying to like, and even watched Greg Norman talk about this the other day. you're just looking in front of you, trying to get one foot in front of the other, right? But eventually you're going to get to the T and you can't avoid it anymore, right? You can't say someone else come hit that for me.

Skip or pass. So I could tell I was nervous. I mean, I could tell I was nervous. And so I started to really talk it out with Steve Underwood, my caddy, you know, yardage. I probably asked him five times what the number was, you know, and then I pulled nine on

and I probably asked him four times. Is this the right class? This is the right club. But then it hit me when I tried to tee the ball up. I was like, oh, man, like my head felt heavy. I felt like I had like a giant bubblehead or something like it was going to fall over, right? So I get it in the ground and I look back to the green and I'm like, well, I'm not sure what needs to move first to get the swing going. It's always a good feeling.

Is it my hands? Do I start it with my hips? How do I normally do this? so standing over the ball and I'm still feeling a little bit like this I'm like what's I just remember saying you've probably hit you know

however many thousand nine irons you're probably one of the best players inside 150 yards to it just trust that whatever you do is going to work like don't think anything else I mean if I had a swing thought you might be there

yeah so I just throw up that's the swing thought I just once I got the I just swung. I just started to move the body. And it was one of those swings. I don't remember that swing. I cannot tell you how far I took it back.

What happened? I've seen the video and it actually looked like a normal swing and a normal shot. But it was like an out of body experience, right? And it kind of went where I aimed, just left of the flag. And yeah, it worked out. But then, fast forward to 18, which really is an extreme. extremely tough t-shot. I mean, under easy conditions, not with anything on the line, it's a nerve-wracking

tee shot because, you know, you go left, you've got problems. And I think because of the experience I'd had on 17, the one on 18 was just slow motion. I was going to hit it up the right side with the driver. I figured if I try and I'd done this before, the colonial, 18 needed a party win, took a three-word, hidden the rough. So I wasn't going to make that mistaken. I mean, I drive the ball straight, hit the driver. I hit the driver everywhere.

So I pulled the driver, and I knew I wasn't going to bail right. I said, I have to hit this down the fair. If I go right, I'm making bogey. I'm going to lose. I'm like, it's not an option. I'd rather hit in the water than hitting the right rough, actually at that point. And so I'd committed to hitting it down the right side of the fairway, get over the T-shot, take the club back, and it was literally slow motion.

I got the club to the top, and I'm like, man, I feel really good. I know exactly what's going on. Because 17 was such an outer body, this was the most like, I don't know if you want to call the Zen swing I ever had, but I decided at the top, I'm going to just draw this thing down there, dropped on the inside,

and it was into the breeze, my 106 swing speed at the time. And I hit it 300 plus yards into the breeze. The adrenaline's a beautiful thing. You made an eight-footer for par to get the job done. Yeah. I mean, more nervous over the eight-footer or on 17?

Oh, no, way more on 17. No, that 17 prepared me for 18. The fact that it was so brutal on 17 and I was able to perform, it just totally relaxed me for 18. 18 felt like a reprie. Yeah, it was like... Which is strange because it's still one of the hardest closing holes. Yeah. I guess it's relative to 17.

For some reason, it had done something in my head just to completely calm me down and get me out of thinking about winning. And I could just go back to the routines that I was doing for the whole week, starting on Thursday. When you watch it now, do you watch these guys that are leading on 17 and being like, I know exactly? exactly what's going. Because I don't care who you are, whatever you've done in golf. You get to that T-shot with the lead at the players, you're going to be pissing down your leg a little. Well, I'm just amazed, knowing what I experienced and went through that you haven't seen way worse shots than what you have. You know, if a guy has missed it, it's only just. A lot of times it's a ball hit the green and bounce over. Sergio hit what he thought was a good

shot in 13 against Tiger. It came up like a foot short, you know. But I'm like, it's quite easy you did chunk this thing 50 yards into the water. Hit that tree over there. Yeah, right. Hit the pipe. I mean, I don't know. So I'm amazed that most guys still hit pretty good shots.

It's really crazy. Do you climb it down on that scene, knowing that like your juice has got to be going as much as it's ever been going before? It's got to be a hard hole to club down. Yeah, if you club down and be like, because people do it. I've talked to guys that do the same thing on 16 at Phoenix.

Like, dude, everyone's so fired up. All the caddies say take one club less. Yeah, I mean, because you do, you hit so much further. Yeah.

I mean, you talk about your drive. But I'm trying to think my number, but it was just a perfect nine iron for me. So I couldn't go away from that. I had to just make sure that I didn't really try and kill it. It's hard to rely on adrenaline there because, you know, I mean, if you think, okay, I'm going to play for it here, but yet if it's not there, then I come up short and there's in Phoenix, it's like, oh, I might get booed, but no big deal.

But I got to tell you, obviously, you got your first PJ tour win there. But did you know about some of the other stuff that happened for the first time that week? Nope. Well, for the first time in tournament history at the players, a spectator was arrested and forcibly removed from the course. Do you know about this? No. Yeah.

An intoxicated fan who was screaming and being disruptive, refused to listen to course officials, who then they called the cops, the man with resisted arrest, and ended up being tased. Also, I believe it was Saturday night, two people drove a car onto the eighth green. And also Tim Clark got his first PJ tour win, among those other things.

What a tournament. It's a big misunderstanding. It was. It was a wrong turn. Map Quest. Unbelievable. You got your way and someone got tased. Yeah.

At least I didn't hit an tire mark on 8th then. Yeah, they said the green was a damage, which I don't understand how the hell that happened. You don't see these things when you're team off at 22 in the afternoon. They fix that. This stuff happens in the morning, yeah. And those screens are pretty hard. They were pretty much like Tomek anyway, so. Is that a place that you wish, like, I mean, almost every week on the PJ tour could be like just because it sets up so well for a guy like you?

I guess, yeah. I mean, it is one of those courses that doesn't particularly favor the bummer all the time. It wasn't always my favorite place to play. I mean, until I won there, I really hadn't played very well there. But then we had the date change and that week the course played firm. So being on top of my game in firm conditions is always an advantage. Ideal. If you're hitting your spots, which I did that week, I hit a lot of fairways.

And then my iron game was literally on. point. I mean, I could hit my spots and that's what you have to do in the firm conditions. So there were other courses that I tended to play a lot better on like your Colonials, even Hawaii. I used to play really well, but that was similar to home with the Bermuda and the wind and everything. But yeah, the players, it is great because it's a huge championship that kind of can reward everybody. Yeah. Well, let's talk about that a little bit because you're a guy that clearly did it with his accuracy, with his iron play and things like that. Now all the rage is going to distance and you see him bryson doing it constantly comes up ball rollback club rollback things like that

what's your take on all this do you want to do you like where the game is do you think there anything needs to happen are you cool with what you're saying you know i feel like it might be too late to roll it back i wish something had been done 20 years ago when when all of a sudden they could tell the ball was starting to go a lot further you know and it's around 99 2000 when that kind of happened and we all could tell i mean we all went to that equipment that picked you up that other 15 20 I mean, it was dramatic. It's a big difference. Since then, it's gradually gotten better, I guess.

And obviously we can talk about the athletes. They are getting better. But listen, the equipment has made a huge difference. So I don't know if you can roll it back, unfortunately. Maybe they're going to have to. If everyone gets that strong and big, maybe they have to. But if you look historically, every great player or number one player in the world has been the best driver in the world. You go back to Jack Nicholas, longest driver at the time.

at the time and very straight. Norman, long and straight. Tiger, especially Tiger 99, 2000, 2001. I mean, he was crazy long and straight. Listen, then he maybe lost his accuracy a little after that, but everything else was so good he could stay number one for another 15 years. Then you've got Rory long, Dustin long, Brooks long, you know, these guys, Justin Thomas long. So guys that are going to win multiple times and dominate for periods of time are all going to be long hitters. It's always been that way. We were talking about Bryson on the way over here and like what he did at Bay Hill, like number six, where he's cut in the corner. And you're like, well, you know, he has to hit it on the button.

If he misses it, he's going to be short in the water. Yeah. It's still impressive what he does at the speeds he's doing it at. Yeah. I mean, if anyone could do it, they would be, right? So it's not easy to do. the one thing I would have liked to have seen is the driver not being so big and so easily hit. Like the driver has turned everyone into a pretty good driver.

Whereas in the days of Greg and Jack, it was hard to hit a driver. I mean, a wooden club was small. So the guy that could hit it hard and on the button had a ridiculous advantage. Right now, it's just somewhat of an advantage because of the distance hit it. because everyone can hit a driver. A misset was magnified. Exactly. So I,

more so than doing anything of the board, I would see them, rather see them do something with the head of the driver. Make it smaller, maybe different material. I don't know. But make it, make it harder to hit the driver because it's just,

it's easy now to go as hard as you want and still hit a sweet spot. Because the sweet spot's huge. Yeah, or at least the incentivized guys to swing as hard as they possibly can. Knowing if I hit this off the toe or the hill, like it's all designed to still go

There's not as much penalty for missed hits. And still, your guy like Bryson is still going to be the longest hitter. Exactly. Faster swing speed and he's working out. I mean, you're not taking that advantage away from the guy. The longest hitters are still going to be the longest hitters. But you're just going to make it more challenging for the field to swing it that hard. And then what happens?

You bring all these golf courses back into play. Listen, it is exciting to watch him hit it over the water there, right? Do you want to see what happens? Yeah, of course. But I think that's always going to be there at some element. I mean, that was there when Nicholas was playing, you know, driving par fours or even Arnold Palmer at Cherry Hills when he drove it on. He drove on a par four in the first half of a year's open, you know? I think if people just start having 57 yards into a part five, it might get a little ridiculous.

That could be a little tough. You're going to have to change that to a part four. Listen, John Daly tried it. He just, he made a 13 when he tried. 18. 18. 18, no big deal. Could have been a 17 quick.

Would you do anything with like the course setup? Do you think that, if this is the big argument, guys are hitting it too far? course setup-wise, how do you, how do you rein it back? Listen, I mean, those guys that set up the courses have been doing a long time. They know what they're doing, but the one thing that bugged me when I played is when you'd go to a golf course where the course was its tightest between 250 and 280 and then it would open up to a runway. Or the bonkers end at 280.

Which happened. I don't want to name courses and that, but there was courses I get where it was just very frustrating because we had to hit it up this narrow little alleyway, where's the long guy, the guy that could carry it 300 had no trouble. So we were just getting eaten up in courses like that. So if you are going to narrow it up, we'll narrow it up further down the hole. I mean, listen, these guys, long hit is always going to have an advantage. I mean, listen, I would rather be in the rough with a sandwich than back in the fairway with a hybrid all day.

But that's not my game. You're pretty damn good with a hybrid. So I've got to make sure that I'm in the fairway, you know. But yeah, you've got to maybe tighten up those areas further down the goal. golf course, growing the rough, does that really help? I mean, you know,

Bryson went around Wingfoot and hit driving. Everyone was missing those fairways. I think if you shrink it up where the longest guys hit it and open it up a little bit where the normal guys hit it, there's all of a sudden

maybe you can level the plane. And I'm not even saying make it narrower where they're hitting it. Just make it the same. Don't let it widen up and get easier the closer you get to the green. It needs to get harder. I totally agree with you, Tim.

I like that. Let's make it narrow up there. Shrink it all. Shrink it all. We've got to get to something that I know is a highlight your career and that's the President's Cup. I mean, you played on three different teams.

You were the Bulldog. First off, I didn't realize you played on three different teams and you never set out a match. You played all 15 and you were part of one of the most historical Presidents' Cups where over in South Africa, it was actually ended in a tie. That week had to have been unreal for you, playing at home and then having Tiger and Ernie battle it out in a playoff to see who got the job done. What was that like?

Yeah, that was a lot of fun. I mean, probably next to my master's experience as an amateur that would probably rank second as a whole week and an experience but yeah my first match ernie is always very good with taking in the rookies under his wing and playing with them and obviously i was the i wasn't the youngest in the team adam was on the team i think he was 19 at the time um but yeah ernie said listen i'm gonna i'll play with tim in the first round so we play tiger and charles howell perfect here we go and on the first tee you know you meet the presidents and it's quite a thing

but again I enjoyed those stages especially like a match play it really got me fired up and also knowing that I had a partner like Ernie playing Tiger it just got me geared up to play and

first hole I can't remember it was a was a baseball I hit the flag on the first hole with the 9-9 to like this, we make birdie. The third hole, I hit it like

three feet. And then about the fifth or sixth hole, I hit the flag again and played unbelievable. And we won the match like five and four. And Ernie, you know, it was full of praises, which was nice. Because at the time, Ernie's a hero of mine.

He's won several majors already. And to think that I'm in that position playing with him in a tournament like that, after really only been on tour for about a year or so it was just a huge story. And you performed at an unbelievable level. Especially against Tiger. But take us to when Ernie and Tiger start to go into the end of the playoff.

I mean, that has to be probably the most immense pressure when one guy is representing one, the international and be America. And what's atmosphere like as both teams, you're sitting there watching these guys knowing like the cup plays and just each of these guys' hands? Yeah, I mean, there's not one other player on the team that wanted to be in that course. Yeah. Who wants to play?

Now me, Ernie. I mean, we were watching. I mean, I felt there. I was almost sick to my stomach. Yeah. Watching them go at it. Tiger was probably loving it. I don't know about Ernie, but you know what he performed.

He looked like he was loving it. But it was like almost sickening. It like, it didn't seem fair, right? Because whoever lost it, I mean, what a burden, you know? And it was getting dark. I mean, it was really dark. And they finished on that path. And Tiger, I mean, he made a put, you just, you cannot make.

And I mean, the amount of times he did that. But that was the most difficult putt I think I've ever seen him make. It was, it broke two ways, down, side hill, dark. I mean, incredible. And then only had to get up and make like a six footer or so. In the dark. Straight uphill. I mean, which is just as hard because now it's a straight put with everything on the line.

You know, so I'm glad it ended the way it ended because it wouldn't have been fair on anybody for it to. And to come out the next morning and be like, all right, we're going to do it again. And one of these guys is going to end up losing the cup for their team. Like, that's just too much for my guy. Yeah, it made no sense. So I remember like when that part went in, we all like huddled around Jack and Gary. And one of the officials says, well, if it ends like this, the U.S. is going to keep the cup. Gary's like, no, we will play.

Bullshit. So I think in the end, like, they just kind of mutually agreed, okay, we're going to, we're going to share the Cup. Yeah, but being a veteran of those teams, I mean, the President's Cup has been a little lopsided over the years, obviously, with the USA. But, I mean, last year down in Australia, it was a very, very close battle. But if you were in charge, is there anything you would change to, like, maybe make it just a little bit more competitive? Well, for years, I mean, the guys have been trying to get it just back to the same format that they're playing the Ryder Cup. You know, there's less matches so you can sit guys. And, you know, when you have a deep team, which America always has, you can play everybody.

You know, and sometimes with the European team or the international team, you know, you need to sit guys. It's just the depth just isn't quite there. And even in years when we on paper had a better team, you know, there was a couple years there where we had Vijay, Ernie, Reteef, Mike Weir was playing good. Angahel Cabrera had been winning majors. I mean, but still at the end, you had guys like me. You know, I wasn't as good as the 12th guy from the America. I mean, you know, 12th guy on America is in the top 20 in the world. You know, and I would have been 50, 60 in the world.

So, yeah, I think if they just maybe went on the point schedule of the Rider Cup, it would make it more competitive. And it makes total sense in the President's Cup. for the international side being that America is so deep. And like you said, our 12th guy might be in the top 20. I actually contend that I like the President's Cup format better for a Rider Cup being like, all you got all your guys, let's play them all. And also you get to put out, you're the captain of the Europeans.

You put out a guy. I put out a guy. It seems like we get the better matchups and the matchups we want to see more in a President's Cup. Then we do a rider cup where you just have to guess, like, what do we think? Are they going to front load it or backload it or what are they going to do? I agree with you on that. I love that.

I love that about the President's Cup. If we have the honor, we pick a team and then you match it. And you throw it in you, because then you get the big one, like, especially on the singles on Sunday. Like, you want Rory playing Patrick Reed or Rory playing Tiger, something like that in the, in the Ryder Cup. I would love to see something like that. There is a good strategy in how you can pair against certain bears.

But then you've got to also look at the strategy in the Ryder Cup, like how those guys can sit players. And there's a lot of strategy involved there too. And, you know, I just don't know if it would be as exciting, the, the president. the Ryder Cup if it was to change. I mean, obviously it's created so much theater over the years, the way it is. I mean, you would never change that, right? But you would maybe look at changing the President's Cup.

I love, yeah, the President's Cup maybe change it. I love the way that you put out a team. All right, we'll match you. As opposed to like, all right, give us your card. And that kind of does make sense. Yeah, I don't know why they don't do that in the Ryder Cup. And it's great for TV too. When they go in there and everybody's sitting around talking with Ogilvie about it.

And he's like, oh yeah, dude, we sit down and we do our thing. But it's kind of like a game of poker with them, you know, it's like, well, are you going to bluff with a guy out first? So, yeah. I mean, there's a lot, there's still a lot going on. Even though you can't match up a pairing with another pairing, it's your strategy before you even go into that room as to how you're going to. Yeah, are they going to front load?

All right, then we'll front load. Are they going to back, load? And you don't know until the end. So, I mean, I think that kind of makes it intriguing too in the, in the writer. Yeah, and the right, I just like you see Tiger playing in his heyday, playing some guy that like isn't, you know, might be the 10th guy on the European team. Like, man, I would love to see him play. Rory or Lee Westwood at the time

or something like that. It's happened. I mean, if you've looked at, I wasn't at the Prison's Cup in Canada but, you know, Tiger played Mike. There you go. Yeah, exactly. Harding Park, which I was at, Wai Yang had just beaten Tiger earlier that year in the PGA. Well, Tiger played YEE and that's where he got his winning point

for the team. So, yeah, I mean, you certainly can make for more interesting matchups that way, but the Ryder Cup, the strategy of it all is pretty fun. or Mike Weir matchup, like, changed the course of Canadian golf for some guys. We have some of the young guys on our radio show. I think that, dude, that match was one of the reasons. Mike, we were doing that was one of the reasons I got into golf, which is pretty cool.

You mentioned the Harding Park President's Cup. You had the chance to play against Anthony Kim in a match. See, that's the problem. Tell us everything. I wanted to get your thoughts on Anthony Kim because we both say, like, arguably one of the best we've ever played with other than Tiger. Well, obviously, if you don't remember, you don't have much thought of Anthony Kim. I paid a few matches. about that day, Tim.

No. What day were, I mean, who was his partner? I don't remember. I just saw you played Anthony Kim and I wanted to know your thoughts. But never mind now. And that was the year that he supposedly came in sideways at two in the morning. That was Drew Stolt saying that. I have no idea what you're talking about.

Well, that's just the story. I'm just reporting the story. I do remember playing full that week. I can tell you the way. I played with Vijay and we keep talking. I'll tell you exactly how you played. Well, I got a question about the President's Cup while we look all this up. Tell me about the after the matches end, right?

like in the writer cups i've been told like the u.s and the europeans will come together and party and stuff like that do you do that on the in the president's cup like afterwards you guys all hang out together oh yeah and get after it a bit yeah typically in the president's cup win or lose which is mostly uh been lose over the the last few years um we always got together and and had a good night you know enjoyed it um and uh every now and then some of the American guys might come over. But, you know, obviously when we're there, we want to win. I mean, it's always the goal, especially when you've had so many years of coming close and

not doing it. But, yeah, come the end of it, we're all able to let our hair down and enjoy it. Who's the MVP of post-game parties in your three-year, three-year member of the International Presidents' Cup team? Don't be afraid to say you. If it was you, say you. City. Get jiggy with it over here.

Yeah, we get jiggy with it? I mean, we've had some good ones. I'll tell you, one, it was during the tournament. And there wasn't a wild party, but we were getting beaten pretty handy in South Africa through a couple days. And Ernie had a barbecue at his, a brie, as we would call it, at his house on the, I think it was a Friday night. And we didn't party crazy, but, you know, we just all got together. ride, had a little bit of wine, relaxed. And the next day we went out and we swept the Americans.

And then we heard the story that that night, they'd all been homesick. I mean, they'd been out of America for three days. And they all wanted to go to, you know, Africa is so scary. So they all went to McDonald's. Oh, shit, I just made out. They did. There you go. And the next day after they got swept, I heard from one of the guys that Jack

was so mad. He's like, you guys want to go out and eat like, you're going to play like it. You know? So, yeah, they got the, they got chewed out for that. No more McDonald's. No, Ma. That's wild. Well, to answer your question about the Anthony Kim, you played him with, uh, you played

against Anthony Kim and Bill Mickelson on Thursday. Mm-hmm. What happened in the next? It's all ringing a bell now. I can see it coming back. You and Mike Weir, you lost three and two. Mm. Yeah, I don't remember that one.

Can't believe you couldn't overpower you can. Yeah, of course you go. But I mean, I'm sure that's got to be just unbelievable to be in, you know, team atmosphere when you're such an individual sport. It's got to be a lot of fun. But we could talk about that all day, but we've got to get to the E9 at some point. We might as well hit it, you know what I mean? I don't know if you're a little E9.

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Austin Cocktails. Here's Tim Clark in the Emergency 9. So we got the Emergency 9, nine questions to get to know you even a little better. And we ask this to all of our guests. Okay. This is the most important question. There's a movie being made about the life of Tim Clark.

You can pick any actor dead or alive. Who's it going to be? Oh, my. Play you. Yeah, there's not many that good looking, bud. Man, it's a tough one. I'm going Brian

Rob Schneider Rob Schneider Wow okay The Waterboy Yeah it's about my size What did he say

What did he say in that movie? What was this little line In the water boy movie When he popped up You can do it Yeah you can do it There you go All right

Rob Schneider I wouldn't guess I said Leo actually for you Because he's the only guy I know they can do an accent Like where you're from And Blood Diamond When he did it

I thought that was Fantastic Well I went with little smaller guys I had Joe Pesci and Danny DeVito for another reason, which we'll get to here in a little bit. I mean, Rob Snyder's like 5-5. Yeah, he's not the biggest dude. He's not the biggest dude.

All right, we'll go to the next one. He's got a good sense of humor. Yes, you do have a great sense of humor. All right, next one. Name your big ping pong player, right? Name the professional golfer who is your toughest competition on the ping pong table. It's funny. I've been off the tour for five years now, but I was, we're in Tampa.

They had a table, and I'd never played Kucha. I mean, I guess he's really good. But I had a game against Spieth, thinking, this kid, I should handle him. And I figure he's singing the same. He sees me there with my gut hanging out, sweating and everything. But, yeah, he handled me pretty easily.

Speat did. Yeah. Oh, really? I didn't know he had it like that. Coutcher's the name that gets brought up. Have you played Freddie Yacht? Definitely. Oh, yeah.

Yac is supposed to be. Doesn't he eat Couther? My wife's got a good story. We play the World Cup in Portugal. and I'm playing with Trevor and Yuck is playing with Hendrik Stenson and they had a little ping pong table

down in the hotel so one day we go down there and there these two in like white shorts white shirts and freaking team headbands like Wimbledon playing ping pong so I'm like they must be pretty serious about it but I've played

Stenson and he's very good too I mean yeah he actually beat me too we had a game in the Bahamas. Duffner has the robot that hits it back and forth to you. Oh, really? Yeah. That's incredible.

What's Yacht do that's so good? Is he a spin guy? Is he a power guy? Why is he the best? I think he just had always played. He's just, yeah. He just got it. Yeah.

Golfers are good. Yeah. And I mean, I didn't play as a kid. I mean, I only took it up probably 10, 12 years ago. But you're nice. It's a fun game. Yeah. And I'm better after a few wines, for sure.

You know, if I'm with a guy that's drinking with me, he's got no chance. Fair. If you got to go drink for drink I'll play magic if we're going to drink. Take Jordan Drink for drink. I like that. See how it goes. Well, I mentioned who would play you in a movie with Danny DeVito basically because he was the penguin in Batman. That's your nickname. I believe

Sergio gave it to you. Right. Correct. Where would you rank your nickname, the penguin amongst the great golf nicknames? I mean, we've got the Golden Bear, the walrus, the king. We got the Seagull. Boom, boom. Charlie Hoffman. Where would you rank the penguin? Big gravy? You got all kinds of things.

I mean, listen, it's not right up there because to have a great nickname, you've got to have had a great game and won a lot of big tournaments. But if you're looking at a nickname that epitomizes what someone looks like walking down the fairway, mine's pretty damn good. That's why I think it's so great. It's because, I mean, you resemble it so well. It's perfect. The flightless bird.

I mean, the walrus, perfect. Seagull is great. It's very fitting. The penguin. Which we'll get to him here in a little bit more, by the way. Penguin is a good. It was perfect. You have a head cover.

Mm-hmm. I had the cover. Like that. As you should. That's when you know you've made it when you got your own head cover. All right. Next question. If you could have any job in the world other than professional golfer, what would you want to be?

Oh, man. We get deep. Yeah, that's a tough. We get deep. I mean, listen, I remember, I remember as a kid had to do something in class. It was a, uh, it was a Zulu class, leave or not. I don't know what that means. Zulus.

How'd you do in Zulu at SMU? No. You didn't have that name? No. So at a young age, we were learning Zulu at school and I got up there you had to I don't know what we had to do but I got up there and sang I'm a little teapot

in Zulu Can you do Zulu? What is Zulu? Can you still do it? Zulu's a language It's a language it's a language of Africa Shaka Zulu yeah oh got you You know yeah and it's the language that's in my area So I I decided I was going to sing I'm a little teapot in Zulu Okay but to Bruce Brings

born in the USA because that had just come out a little melting pot so I'm in I'm there and one of the girls she must have been doing something on she had all these bangles and I said listen can I please borrow she had like an arm full of bangles on it

so I get up there and I sing my I'm a little teapot in Zulu to Bruce Springsteen and at the end I take all these bangles and I just threw them around the class as if I was like I don't know I thought it was some sort of rock style so

I guess that's what I'm would like to have done if I was still remember we'll not do that we've had a lot of people sing on this show way you don't still remember the words in Zulu I've forgotten all right we'll do it off just don't turn the camera so do you speak Zulu I mean I can no I'm not fluently I understand words and can communicate what about Afrikaans we studied even more so yes but again I'm not fluent but you could get by I can understand when the guys are speaking in Africa I know what what's going on. Okay.

All right. That's good. Trilingual. Next question. We're our first trilingual guest. All right. Next question. What's the one thing they have in South Africa that we don't have in the States that you missed the most?

I think you just get me, but whatever. Did you just go twice? Yeah. Oh shit. Well, it happens. When I first came, I mean, Bultong was, is the first thing that will come to mind, which is South African version of beef jerky, where it's simply beef that's hung up to dry. It's not smoked or anything.

But now you can get it here. you can get it here. I mean, there's even a little South African store here in town where I can go and get it now. So that would have been the biggest thing when I moved over that I missed and really about the only thing I would say. Yeah. It's pretty good over here. All right. I mentioned earlier, Seagull, Charlie Hoffman. Do you enjoy taking money off him on the golf course more or in Mario cart? Well, unfortunately, we haven't played Mario in a long time. I had some battles though back in the day. Oh, yeah. That was fun. And obviously, you always blame the internet at the time, you know, for skipping, because he'd be sitting in San Diego and I'd be at home. And then when he came, you know, during Phoenix Open, we'd play together.

And most times he did beat me. So maybe there was something in his internet. But, yeah, that was fun. Anytime you take money off Hoffman, it's the best day of your life. Couldn't agree more, the Seagull. Who did you play as Mario Kart? Who was your guy? Oh, I switched it up.

No, I switched it up. Okay. Burdo. Burdo. That's who I was going to pick for Hoffman. I was like, what's the only bird in Mario Kart? Birdo, yeah, he was a G. I'll go ahead and ask my next one since you skip me here.

Yeah, you can figure it out. All right. Other than Tiger, because he doesn't count, who was the most impressive player you ever played with on the PJ Tour? Rory. Like, not even question. And it was just one round. I mean, I didn't play with them much.

I played, but the round that comes to mind is that first round at the British Open in what was that, 10, I believe, 2010, I think. We paired the first round. He shot like 64 and hit shots. You know, you play with Taiga, he hits shots. You're like, no one's got that. And I had that same thing playing with Rory.

He hit a shot in 17. The pins just over that bunker, which, you know, for me, I'm coming in again with a long iron, and he's hit this drive over the hotel and, you know, 165, 170-yard 9. and it's backed up to the hole. And I was just like, throw it over the roadhole bunker and said,

yeah, so here we are. And then I had the lovely fortune of playing him at the match play after I beat Tiger. That's why I got to face the next round. Perfect. Here's your reward.

And he took care of me pretty good. You're probably the answer if we asked that question to him. All right, next question. I'm back up again. All right, your house, the barn, as it's referred to, is burning down.

You have time to save. one bottle of wine, one bourbon, and one piece of golf memorabilia. What are you coming out of the house with? The wine is an easy one. It's a chateau-margo that was given to me by Mr. Drew Brown, who was part of DMB that built Silver Leaf. When I won the players, he gave me that bottle of wine. Oh, wow, that's awesome. And I'm just waiting. One day I'm going to drink it with him, so it's still there. Um, uh, what kind of occasion do you have to have? Yeah, I was about to say, what, it just needs to come for to grow really. Yeah. Nothing special just for a little bride. A little bride. Um, um, but I've only been into the bourbon for a year now and, um, I've collected

some good bottles. Um, but right now, my absolute tastiest bottle that I have is. Almaty Lee 100 year anniversary. I even know they made a hundred year old bourbon. It's, uh, well, it's not. a hundred years old it's just the name they gave it um but anyway that's that's the the tastiest thing i have and golf memorabilia oh man this where it gets tough i feel like unfortunately it might not even be a golf memorabilia thing i've got a signed football soccer ball as you will um by nelson mandela in my house oh shit so that would probably be unfortunately you know all my things will burn down but uh your players trophies Just tell us, but you'll have the Mandela football.

Yeah. Well, this isn't my next question, but that's because I know you're a huge meat griller guy. And to pair with that chateau, what would you go with? I have a feeling it's going to be your lamb. You know, I like my lamb, but one of the best things I do know is skirt steak. I'm the big green egg? Nope. I've got the big old wood-fired guy there, the Brissero grill, which is the Argentinian style.

And this all came to us. We used to play in Miami for the Dorel event, and there was a little Argentinian steakhouse there in the strip mall. And it was always the best meals of the year was in there. And I told all this laughing guys about it. And before long, every night would be the same guys. And VJ was in there every night too. And Cabrera and that simple skirt steak on a wood-fired grill with some chummy-cherry.

Let's get much better than that. If Tim Clark ever invites you over to the barn for a moment, meal, you go because the food is unbelievable. I feel like you start a little bistro at your house for a little secondary business if you wanted. Yeah, I enjoy cooking. I enjoy you. I enjoy on the weekends, you know, having people over. If there's sports, we'll watch some sports.

Get the 80s music pumping. You love the 80s. Will teapop. Yeah. Zulu. All right. Last question. You mentioned earlier.

You stepped to the tea on 17 Sunday at TPC Sawgrass. You don't really remember much. Would you say you remember more about that tea shot or the last? or the night the night after you won. No, I remember the night because we didn't actually get to do much. That's very disappointing.

I was hoping you really partied hard. Because, I mean, you end up being at the club for like two, three hours afterwards. I mean, you're doing this, that. So by the time it was time to get out of there, I went to clean out my locker. My wife, Candace was with me.

And then we walked in, you walked through the locker room and Lee Westwood was still in there. So actually I had a drink with Lee, who was, you know, right there with a chance to win the tournament. It was very gracious of him and had a drink with him. Then I think we were staying in the hotel across right there, the merit. So we went there, got changed and then went straight across the street to the group of little restaurants down there and met up with some of the guys. But no, it was a pretty quiet night.

Very disappointing. That's cool. You like that. You like that more like that, though. Yeah. Yeah. That's class. Yeah.

I don't, I'm sure it wasn't purely just to see me and have it. with me but he just wanted you to buy him but maybe with your 1.7 but he was in there and um yeah we we sat down and um i've always enjoyed him i mean you know and uh obviously to see him playing so well last week too was pretty fun really cool well this has been really cool for us yeah i really appreciate you sitting down with us no thanks thank you timmy you got it all right well that was tim clark so last sitting down with him it was so cool i mean he was a part of one of the greatest president's cups and ever yeah dude i mean probably the most memorable president's cup at least from my perspective. That's one of the things I wanted to get into him with him. I remember when Tiger and

Ernie were going into that playoff and I was like, can you imagine a more pressure pack? I mean, Tiger, clearly, both those guys can handle it and they did handle it. They both made some massive puts and that thing. But playing for your whole, like the international is playing for the rest of the world, basically. Tiger playing for the entire U.S. and the cup lives or dies on your performance on what could be one hole. I'm not a big fan of things ending in ties, but also that format was like, all right, it was getting too dark to even keep playing. You don't want to come back the next day. And it's like, all right, Should two guys really decide? I don't know.

But it was one of the most pressure. I was glued to the television. I was an unbelievable President's Cup. It wasn't. Here's a guy. I mean, I believe he played in three Presidents' Cup. Never sat out a match. I mean, he was the bulldog of the international team.

Had a really good record. He's one of those guys that, I mean, I think just gets forgot about. Because he's not the flashiest of the player. He doesn't hit it that far. You know, use the long putter. But he had a hell of a career. I mean, it's just unfortunate with all the injuries that he had. Yeah, he was close to win in a bunch of them.

I think, I mean, we know he won the players. that's the that's the pinnacle but how impressive is it that a guy like tim climbing you played a lot of golf them i played with him you see how far he hits it doesn't move it very far at all but he's precise with everything but finishing a runner up at augusta hitting the the clubs that he had to be hitting into those par force and like a number one he's probably in the middle of the hill guys are blowing it up top and things like that you have to be so so good with everything else in your bag from driver to putter to even sniff around that leaderboard for him to finish second there i honestly think that might be one of the most sawgrass is a place you could see him playing really

well and he did Augusta is not a place he would pick him back oh Tim Clark will probably be be good around there he was he was just one of those guys that I just don't think he cared what the venue was he was going to go out and play his game I mean you know he he finished second to Bubba Watson that they HSBC over in China absolutely hated the place didn't didn't like it all hit three wood into the first toll he's like why am I even here right now ends up should have won Bubba Watson robbed one from me from him but he was a guy just when whenever the moment got big it seemed like he really really showed up I mean he had eight runners runner up before he got his first PGA tour win ended up with two PJs

tour wins total. So far, I mean, you never know. He could make a comeback, but the injuries have really, really slowed his career down, which is unfortunate, but had a blast sitting down talking with him. Yeah, the injuries sideline him, unfortunately, and also the putter, the long putter band. He's the guy that took the biggest hit on that, because he literally has the physical, you know,

impairment where he can't, really can't putt like a standard way. So that affected him more than anything, which is a tough thing when you played your entire, basically since college on with one style of putting, and they're like, oh, by the way, he can't do that anymore. That's hard. Whether you like the rule or not. Thanks to Tim Clark for sitting down with us.

Slees, it's time to get to the gambling portion. Somebody made a move last week. It was almost a really, really big, I mean, it was a big move. It was still a massive move. It was almost a really big move. Producer Mark, give us a little update on the one and done standings. Yeah, so Slees, you had Patrick Cantley last week, a T-18, good for $11,700. Meanwhile, Colt, Scotty Sheffler, started the event at 40 to 1 odds to 1 odds to

win the whole thing, found himself in the championship on Sunday and brought home with his second place finish $1,150,000. Good for a lead of $1,19,454. Now we're going. That's a tough one. When he eclipse the million mark, that's a million in deficit. Yeah, but if you pick a winner and I miss a cut, you're right back in it. That's how this thing goes. I don't care if you miss four cuts in row. You pick a winner up, especially to WGC. Like things flip quickly. but just like normal start off slow coming out the gate slow and also can't lay man after two rounds this is a hard one to pick dude this is impossible i'm trying to look i'll be honest i got so lucky i was just like here's a guy who's played the golf course a bunch like he's a really good player let's see what happens

yeah that was a good pick because he played at ut he's going to know this play way around that place and he's just a hell of a player but i went through looking at every single pod was like where's the easy one there isn't one so then i went with the guy i probably won't pick for a major but one in the next big one can't lay after two matches i think he shot nine under six under in his first two i was like I did it. I picked the guy that's probably playing the best golf on property right now. This is going to be great. End up losing a head deck. He loses in a playoff and then done for the rest of the week. It's a hard one to pick. But in hindsight, going with local guy, local knowledge, all that. Good one. I got my work cut out. Yeah, you do. I mean, like you said, this week was so hard to pick. I mean, would you have been confident saying Justin Thomas isn't going to make it out of his pot? I mean, Scotty Sheffler's in a group with Xander Schauchley and Jason Day. Jason Day is a past champion. Zander Schofley, one of the best players in the world. And I'm like, okay, I need someone to get out.

out of this out of the group you got to get them out of the group and there's just not an easy or d or uh rory getting just dumped trucked in round one like this weird stuff happens when you put the top 64 players in the world and play 18 holes so it's a hard one to get through of course i make a big move when it's all about luck but now it's back to skill you'll probably catch me we got the valero texas open one of you you know j nashals kind of your nightmare this tpcc you got this one you i wouldn't me and this place didn't get along too well this place a monster when the wind blows like it always the wind blows it is very very deep difficult. We got a really strong field. Dustin Johnson's in the field. Jordan Spieth.

You know, everybody prepping for the master. So this is going to be an interesting week. I have the honor. Your honor. Since after the seven figure payday by my man, Scotty Schaeffler. This week, Valero, Texas Open, a golf course that really, really demands good ball striking, in my opinion. You know, it's tough driving golf course. Like you said, if the wind gets blowing, it's up, we see a lot of the same guys play well here each year. One of those being Billy Horsrell is the winner of this past week. You get forward to take a week off. Yes. After that payday.

For me this week, I'm going with the guy who's playing some of the best golf of his career. He's a veteran. He's made 10 straight cuts. He's got a sixth and a fourth in his career at TPC San Antonio. Like I said, some of the best golf of his career. I really like it. I'm going to stick with Team Randy Smith as well, the swing coach. I'm going to go with Ryan Palmer.

33 to 1. I like that. I also think there's an art to playing, like, a guy that lives in Texas, plays your use of this type of wind. It's not abnormal. We're playing 25-mile-hour wins. You get some of the West Coast guys like you and I out here. If it blows more than 15, I'm like, nope.

No golf for me. Don't say you and I. Okay, for me, I'm fine with the win. It blows more than eight. I'm out of there, but that's a good pick. He was on my very, very short list. I'm going to go with, I typically don't like to do this. I want to go to the defending champ.

It wasn't 2019 the last time he won, but he's a six-bedding favorite, 22-1, Cory Connors, okay? You love him. Love him. I like him for all the reasons you just said. You just said how hard the ball striking golf course it is. It is that. Cory Conner's Teed Green is elite.

Really, really good. Putter? Sometimes it could use a little tweak here and there, but like I said, he's a defending champ. Last two-stroke play events, Arnold Palmer and the players, third and seventh, top 10 in four of his last eight events, and top 20, and six of his last eight. So, DPC San Antonio, tough, tough, T, T, to Green. I don't typically like picking defending champs, but this game suits it so well if he can just have a little bit of a week on the Greens. I think he'll at least have a good week. This is a very important week as far as our bet is concerned, because you want to have the honor.

heading into Augusta. Because we're going to have, there's four or five names. I mean, there's still some wiggle room there, but yeah, we're going to be aligned on a lot of the guys you like going into Augusta. So even if it's a 35th versus 40, it's having the honor a big deal. Yeah. And our guest next week is going to be one of the favorites at Augusta National. He's our first repeat guest on golf subpar.

He's number three in the world. John Rom will be joining us for a special master's edition of golf subpar. Yes, Johnny Boy, the Spaniard, back in the building. Our first guest of all time. a year ago when we launched this thing. Johnny Rom strolled in here and put on a clinic. I actually wrapped a little bit to Kendrick Lamar. I could tweak that up a little bit, maybe tighten that, but this is going to be

fun talking with John the week before he goes out there. Got a baby on the way, a lot of stuff going on his life. Johnny Rom gets the honor of the first ever repeat guest on subpar. All right. Well, later this week, we got a very special treat for everyone. Check out our YouTube page, our social media pages. We are going to be releasing the video of Sleez-on-Eyes. This is it.

Could be up for an Oscar, Nod. Best Documentary. of the year. I'm looking forward to see it because I was so in the zone. You know when I lock in. I lock in. I got tunnel vision. I had the blinders on.

I didn't see a lot was going on on my perriff, but it's going to be fun. I can't wait. It's going to be a blast. I'm going to look like an idiot. Everyone go check it out and we'll talk to you

on next week's golf subpar.