Subpar - Tim Tucker Interview: Caddying for Bryson DeChambeau, why they parted ways at the Rocket Mortgage Classic

Episode Date: July 27, 2021

On this week's episode of GOLF's Subpar, Bryson DeChambeau's former caddie Tim Tucker joins former PGA Tour pro Colt Knost and jicky jack legend Drew Stoltz for an exclusive interview. The man on the bag for all eight of Bryson's PGA Tour victories talks a typical day working for him, why they parted ways so abruptly in Detroit, and what the biggest misconception about Bryson is.

Hello world. Welcome to another week of golf subpar, Coltnosed, Drew Stolt, and what an episode we have for you all this week. Y'all been asking for him. He hasn't really done many interviews since this whole split with Bryson DeShambo. But Tim Tugner joins us, and it is something special, sleaze. Yeah, man, really the first time he's spoken out in depth since the split up. And, like, I know I was interested to talk to him. I know you were, too. And, I mean, we get a pretty inside look at what that job is like and what all goes into it. I mean, I learned so much about just all the different information that's got to be presented before a shot is. I mean, that job is a really, really well-paying job. It's a great bag to have, but there's a lot of work and extracurriculars that come with it, not to mention the time that you got to put in in the hours that you're at the golf course working.

The guy, I mean, he works into the middle of the night half the time. Yeah, it is. It was fascinating to see. I mean, I consider myself kind of a golf nerd. I feel like I know a lot about this game. I learned so much in an hour that I couldn't believe it. And I've had so many other tour players call me, text me, ask, you know, how was it? What was this?

And I told them some of the stuff that Tim Tucker says, and they were blown away. Like, everyone's so excited to listen to this. So we don't want to spoil too much, but just get ready because it is going to be an awesome hour with Tim Tucker. But so ladies, we got to give a little shout out. Cam Champ, got the job done at the 3M up in Minnesota. Unbelievable performance, a rather interesting 70-second hole where he decided to pull driver with a two-shot lead. I know how I felt about it. I had his group on the call for CBS. How did you feel about it? Yeah, I was waiting for you to walk over and be like, what the hell

are you doing, bud? Anything but put the driver anywhere but in your hands. He did that two-iron around the entire backside. He had it great. All of a sudden, you got a two-shot lead. Bogie gets the thing done. And he steps up with driver. I was sitting on the couch. I was like, what the hell are we do it? Where's the caddy here? Jump in and give him that two-iron. However far it is to the water, just take 10 yards off it, give him that club. Because even my thing was like, even if he pumps a drive, Let's say he goes and hits it straight down the middle. Is he going to go for it in two and risk making a big number that way? He still got to hit a second shot.

He's probably going to still lay up, I would think, with a two-shot lead. So what does he want to lay up with a wedge as opposed to a seven-iron? Like, who cares? Just hit the ball in play. When he hit that T-ball and he was able to get out of jail, like fortunately, hit that little shot through there and then laid up again and ended up hitting it stiff. But I was like, why is this club even in the discussion right now? Two-shot lead.

Bogie gets it done. I mean, you could play seven-iron the entire hole and probably make a bogey. I was shocked. shocked by that. We almost had some drama there on the on the 70 second, but he closed it out. Yeah. If you didn't see it, you'd be like, oh, he won by two. Pretty convincing win. But when, I mean, I was there. I was kind of like, oh, you know what? I always wanted to be exciting, obviously. But when he hit that shot, I'm like, oh, boy, this is about to get good. Like, this could easily be a three-man playoff, no problem. But I mean, arguably probably the best

wedge shot he's ever hit in his life for his fourth shot and was able to save far. But really cool to see. That's three PJ Tour wins for Cameron Champ. Yeah, three wins and only seven top tens in his career. I mean, the guy's kind of like Louis Oosteis and ends up being runner up again, which feels like we say that every week. But he's almost like the reverse Louis. He doesn't contend all that often.

But when he does, he peels him off at a pretty nice clip. And then you got Louis, on the other hand, who seems to top ten every single week and hardly ever wins. But, I mean, you got to give the guy credit. When he does have a chance to win, he pretty much gets it done. And when you watch him win, you think to yourself, stuff like, why doesn't this happen more often? Like this week, he led the field in putting.

That doesn't happen a lot. That putters a bit of a question mark with him. But when you're watching it, you're like, damn, like, who's beating this guy if he's driving it good and putting it good? Yeah, not many guys that are 206 for the season in Strokes game putting end up leading a week ever throughout the season. Really, really cool for him to see. But so, after the coverage ended on Sunday, I got on the bird, came to Cedar Rapids,

Iowa for Zach Johnson's charity foundation event, just finished up. That's why we're having to do this, this call the way we are today. But I think I witnessed a world record for a pro amp. Tell me. Now we go out there. We do a little clinic. They have me emcee it. We get ready.

We go to our groupings. I go over. I meet my guys. You know, I'm off number nine. I'm looking at the names, introduce myself all this. I look, I start seeing all the dots. I added up four guys. Got 76 shots for the day.

sweet Jesus 76 with four guys so they're all getting six they're all getting 18 apiece they're getting a shot a hole plus a couple double pops on some holes that's a nice nice squad to have you can contend pretty easily there hey what'd you have on that hole I had a six for four oh okay nice all right another we had we had a 12 we had a 12 218s and a 28 and they were getting 80% of their handicap. So 76 shots was only 80%. Yes. That's, how long did the round take? Five hours. Okay. Pretty good, actually. My scorecard, you know, they put all the dots on the holes for you and everything. My scorecard looked like it had chicken pops. There were so many dots all over this damn thing. It was unbelievable. That is a shitload of strokes. 28 pops with only getting 8% of your 80% of your,

that's a lot of luggage. So, but I got to think you guys were contenders with that. It's hard not to contend if you basically can just finish a hole with that many shots, huh? Yeah, we had to rush off to the airport, so I don't know how it did, but it was two, you had to count two balls, and I believe we shot like 28 under, so it had to be pretty decent. 28 under, 76 pops, not bad, that's got to be in the hunt. I bet you, I'll make sure you get your shop credit or whatever you won up there, but that's a, that is a hell of a pairing there. 76 shots can be tough to clip.

Speaking of big-time, enormous large golf tournament, it's cold. I got a tournament coming up this week, bro. I'll leave Wednesday night for the U.S. Team Midam championship in Kansas City. Team Arizona, holler at me. We are coming up and we are, we're coming for the gold. I mean, obviously. But I need a little pep talk, dude. I haven't played golf in over a month. Whisper Rock's closed right now in July. Game is not what I would call sharp at the moment, but big time event for the sleaze coming up, dude. Yep. Well, you do know that there will be an actual tea time. You have to be there on time. That's a problem.

So make sure you get your transfusion in you. Get ready to go. Hit at least like six or seven balls and then go get amongst it out there on the golf course. Yeah, that's a good point. That's a good point. I will be getting a practice round in. That's plenty to knock off the rust. And then you know the kid.

Once the lights come on, dude, it's time to perform. Preparation is for the week. So going up there, team it up for, I got to put a number next to my name for the first time in a long time. Ideal World would have had a little more prep, but it is what it is. Louis doesn't practice in between tournaments and he seems to play pretty well all the time. So we're going to go up there and give him hell. So a lot of large golf happening right now between you and me. No doubt about it.

Well, you know, keep us updated, make us proud. Don't embarrass us. I can't wait to see how y'all do. But, ladies, we can't push this. We can't drag this on any longer. We've got to get to them. Here he is. Let's get to it.

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Thank you. Thank you so much. This is awesome. Obviously, you're, you've been kind of the talk of the golfing world the last few weeks with everything that is, that has gone on. I mean, obviously, you want to clear up any of the rumors what you've heard about what happened with you and Bryson or what may have not happened? The floor is yours. You know, it's crazy because, you know, I have zero social media. I never do any interviews unless, you know, Bryson's agents to say, Tim, we talked to these guys about what happened,

whatever, and I, you know, that's it. But I, you know, I haven't watched TV, to be honest with you in six months. I love NFL football, so I watch that. I can't wait for that season to come up, you know, but I just don't watch TV, so, man, my phone blew up, of course. But, you know, I'd say about the whole situation was, you know, I made a big mistake in my timing with it. You know, I shouldn't have done it that, you know, it shouldn't have happened that way. We should have finished out the week. And, you know, I didn't mean to put that pressure on him. And, you know, I'm sure he had a lot on his mind that, you know, to play in the rocket mortgage. And, you know, I regret, I regret how that all went down.

What made you, like, come to this decision? Because it sounds like to me it was obviously your decision, not his. I don't know. I wouldn't say that. It was a combination, man. You know, the thing I'll say about this whole deal is that, man, I've been very fortunate to be able to caddy for this guy. he is one of the hardest working guy I've ever seen, sacrifices everything for this game. And as everybody can tell from his body transformation in such a short time, you know,

it just shows you his work ethic is second to none. And, you know, the other thing that people don't realize is that, you know, Bryson's very demanding. And I think that that's a great attribute from an employer because it makes you get better. You know, if you're, if you're not getting better and learning and pushing, you know, pushing, you know, everything you're doing, you know, then you become complacent and you start making mistakes and you're not, you know, continue to grow. And so he makes you do that. And it's unbelievable. He demands it from everybody, from his agent, from his business manager, from social media people, from everybody.

And so, like those things and the lessons and the things I've learned with him are. phenomenal. So, I mean, Bryson is a friend of mine. I've known him since he was 15. We've played golf together. I've watched him play junior tournaments. I followed his whole golf career. I actually was caddying for Tyler Aldrich's at the time. And, you know, Tyler and I, we were, you know, we were struggling. And so I just, you know, we decided to move on. And then Bryson had let his caddy go or I don't even know the whole story there, but he called me and, you know, we made a great run. It was awesome. So. Yeah, can you kind of, for everybody that doesn't know, you catted abandoned dunes for a long time,

then you got on the, you know, started picking up bags and the pro ranks. Like, you were catting for Tyler Aldridge. So you had that relationship with Bryson before. But when did the, when was the first like, all right, I'm going to go for work for you, Bryson? So, yeah, like I said, we, so when bright, I met Bryson when he was 15. He was out at at Dragonfly in Fresno. And I was teaching Aimpoint at the time. And so, you know, he was in a class.

and he came to everyone, and by the end of it, man, he was helping me teach it, you know, to say everybody. Because he wrapped his head around it so fast. And so, you know, I was there for three days, and we'd go to dinner every night and with the group. And, you know, he's sitting there talking. We were at the end, you know, talking. He's like, you know, I'm asking, hey, Bryson, you know,

what do you do? You know, he's like, well, I don't watch TV. Right. You know, I love science. I love physics. He was telling me about he believes in time travel and that, you know, it's possible, but we'll never figure it out. And he's probably right.

Because I will tell you, he's rarely wrong about the things that he's pushing. You know, there's something about, and Colton knows this, you guys, it's crazy. These elite athletes, they're different and they're different for, and that's why they're who they are, right? Not everybody can be, you know, the best golfer in the world. So, you know, the things that he does is phenomenal. But, yeah, I met him when he was 15. I was caddying at banding and abandoned and also teaching putter, or excuse me, green reading.

And a friend of mine introduced me to Tyler Aldridge and went out and worked for him, worked for him for him for about four months. And Tyler is a friend of mine. He's a great dude. He unfortunately left the game. But then I was actually. in Dallas. We were at Byron Nelson when this went down. And my father, you know, from Amarillo, had driven down to watch me caddy and watch the tournament. And so I just, after that, I was like,

you know, I'm just going to go back to Bandin. I'm going to play golf with my dad for a week and go back to Bandit. And about halfway Tamarola, I got a call from Mike Shy and said, hey, would you consider caddying for Bryce and we're trying to, you know, work this out? And so by the time I got to Amarola, they called me and said, yeah, let's do it. Come to come back to Colonial. So I turned around and flew back. So there was no hesitation at all. Once that job was offered, you're like, I've got to go with this kid. Well, I mean, yeah, you know what was really bad about it.

The worst part was, you know, I saw Tyler that next day. And it looked, the way it looked was that I quit him to go work for Bryson. That was not the case, you know. When Bryson came out on tour, I saw him again for the first time at Hilton Head. He gave me a big hug, you know. You know, I'm busy working. He's busy working. I didn't want to take, you know, every time.

Once a week, I'd say hi, Tim, talked to him for 20, about, you know, 20, 30 seconds and say, you good, bud, everything good? Yeah, you know, just say hi, and that was it. Went on with my work and let him go with his. So we really didn't communicate that much, you know, at all prior to him hiring me. It just kind of, I think I was available. He knew me. He knew I knew the green reading system he was using.

and it was, you know, hey, let's try it. And Tim, when you first started with him, like you just pick up the bag, it's your first week, first month, whatever. Was the time commitment and the responsibilities you had as a caddy at that time, the same as it was during your last event at the Rocket Mortgage? Or did that, like, scale out, you know,

the nighttime rain sessions and all that stuff? Yeah, I mean, no, and well, he always practiced a lot. And if you ask Bryce, and I was really surprised at this, he said to me one day, he's like, you know, I've never had. had the talent. So I have to work really hard to be a good golfer. That's his perception. And my side, I'm like, dude, you're the best golfer I've ever seen in my life. What are you talking about? You probably never practice and play great golf. But to him, he feels that way.

So that's his reality. And that's why he works so hard, you know, and that's why he works into the night. He doesn't want to leave the golf course with a bad feeling for tomorrow. He wants to at least have something going into the next round that's a positive instead of a negative. And he, you know, he works on his golf swing religious. I mean, obviously, every single day. Yeah, there's no doubt about it. I mean, I remember when y'all went at Wingfoot, Saturday night, you're hitting balls in the dark. And I remember he had one last driver. And then he gave you and Chris Toma like a fist pump and was like, all right, I got it. Let's go get this, get this thing tomorrow. But obviously, he's in the media a lot. You know, he does things different than anybody else does it. What would you say is the biggest misconstitutional?

conception about Bryson. Yeah, okay, I'll tell you. People, he has this passion for golf that I've never seen from anybody. And, you know, people would say it's a fault. I don't think it is. It's his pursuit of perfection, you know, to be almost, you know, to be perfect and robotic. That's what drives him. And he's always, you know, we always lap.

I'm going to figure this out. You know, I'm going to figure it. Let's figure it out, right? every day. And, you know, he, his passion comes through sometimes in a negative way, but it's not that, you know. He, he's a, he's a great guy, man. He gets, you know, people think he's a, you know, sometimes think he's, you know, angry or whatnot. He's just not. He's as passionate as can be. And then, you know, once it's all done, and we've always said, hey, whatever happens on the golf course is on the golf course. It's a battlefield out there. We're trying to do our best,

right? Don't take anything personal. Colt, you know, you've played out there. You know how you can get with a caddy sometimes. You know, you can get frustrated and, you know, misdirect your anger at someone and vice versa with the caddy, right? And so it's just, that's it. That's it. His passion doesn't come through as well as people would like to see it, you know? That's it. That's the biggest one. That's why he's so misunderstood. He is a really great young man, you know. He does a lot of people don't see the work he does with kids.

He grew up in an environment where, you know, he had balls in this tent with all these, you know, high school, junior high, elementary kids. And even when we go back to Fresno, when he's a, you know, five-time tour winner, he goes back and takes, you know, changes. takes turns on the mats, hitting balls, or helping these kids out. And, you know, the funny thing is, is they don't think he's famous. They just think he's Bryson because that's the way he is. You know? So if anybody ever paid attention to what he does out there, man, he takes the time with these young kids. He really does, you know.

Cole, you know, you can't sign all these autographs. He signs a lot. He does his part. Have you spoken to him since Rocket Mortgage? Yes. Recently? Right before the British Open. Okay.

So you guys' relationship, everything's good. You guys are both buddies. There's no hard feelings, no ill will, none of that. Yeah. I mean, think about, you know, I was a caddy at band in Dix, right? And I had a great lifestyle. I loved it. You know, I was a PGA member.

I was a club pro for, you know, a long time. Got into caddian because I was looking to get out of the golf business. And it ended up loving that lifestyle out there for the people that have been to band and they know it's a magical place. And you kind of get wrapped up in it. And it was awesome. but, you know, I wasn't able, you know, one of the things I said, the money that I've made, you know, being a part of Bryce's success is helping me put my kids through college, you know, no student debt,

I've been able to buy a car, get them on a good start, right? You know, and that's really important, you know, to me as a parent, right? No, you know, no one in my family had ever graduated, you know, gone to college, let alone graduated. My kids have, and were there in that process. but, you know, I'm happy to be able to do that. You know, I've been around the world. I've made a lot of great contacts, and it's given me the opportunity to open this business.

So, man, there's no animosity between Bryson and I at all. Man, I owe him a lot, and I'm very thankful that, you know, I got to be around and watch that greatness, you know. Yeah, no doubt about it. I mean, and that's so cool to hear. I mean, he's, obviously, he goes about the game in a much different way than anybody else out on the PJ Tour. and when you and I have spoken in the past, you're like, you've told me, you're like,

I don't understand why other players and caddies don't do some of the things we do. What are some of those things you were referring to? I mean, I think, obviously, you know, the green reading is very important. And especially when the green, when the greens books go away. You know, Bryson is a phenomenal green reader. He doesn't make the long putts like Jordan does. If he did, Bryson wouldn't lose a tournament. You know, he is a great, I don't think probably one of the best putter.

from 10 feet and end. He, his speed control is amazing. He is a great putter. You know, people overlooked that because it was distance, but he is an amazing putter for one of the best on tour. Best speed control, in my opinion, out there. Phenomenal. Phenomenal.

But, yeah, so the green reading is, you know, that in-depth, you know, go on that extra mile is important. It's going to be really important with the Greens books. People think, oh, man, you know, he's going to struggle without these green books. No, he's not. He's going to excel, you know, because he'll do the work. They'll put the work in to find out what the slopes are, and they will not be behind on that. The other thing I think is super important is the air density.

A lot of people don't understand that. Don't understand spin rates when the ball's wet. It doesn't understand how the spin rate changes on different turf, whether it's dry or not. all these factors and knowing, you know, that to me is one of the most important things we've done, green density, understanding that, hey, I'm hitting a seven iron with, you know, 6,200 spin landing into a 2% slope. It's going to run out four yards on a 6mm green density. That stuff is important and it's predictable.

So these are the things that we do, you know, and he, that's another cool thing about Bryce is, you know, I say something, hey, man, let's try this. They'll say, okay, let's check it up. No matter how crazy it is. And if it works, we add it in. If it doesn't, all right, next thing. I mean, I feel like I've been around the game a long time, and I have a pretty decent golf IQ.

I've never heard what you just said in my life. Like, I've never even thought about that. But that just shows you how detailed and, you know, how focused and prepared this guy is. Yeah, no doubt. I mean, no stone left unturned. Yeah. Well, Tim, I was perfect.

He'll say, you know, Chris Como works with Bryson and Chris is an amazing guy. And Bryson's like, I want to read him my golf shoes. He was like, dude, just won the U.S. Open. Yeah, but I wasn't, didn't play good. You know, I got lucky. That's what he thinks. You know, he's a nut in that way.

And, you know, I mean, I don't mean that in a bad way, you know. That's just, again, part of his perfection and desire. How many times Tiger Woods changed his golf swing? People thought he was crazy. But he was. That was tough. They're built different. They're built different.

Well, I'm glad you brought up all that stuff, all that information, because I want to ask you this, because I think a lot of people would be interested to hear the answer. You and Bryson are out on the golf course. He drives his ball in the fairway. You walk up with the bag. Walk us through all the information that you needed to give him before you guys pulled the trigger.

I mean, just the first, like, obviously, the normal, you know, front. Yeah. Where the pin is. We do air density. So every Monday we get his numbers. Okay. So there are no stock numbers for him. If he said how far do I hit my seven iron?

He'd go where what's what's the air density? You know, he doesn't know. We don't, I don't know. So we find that out on Monday, right? So we always use two launch monitors to make sure that we have the right swing speed, his stock swing speeds, and then we find out how far it is based on air density. So air density, a lot of people don't know this is, like here in Amarillo, Texas, I'm at 3,500 feet and today it was 90 degrees.

air density here was 6,800 feet. So if I were making adjustments off 3,500, right, I would be 7% off on my calculation. So just based on that, that's just one aspect. So we make that adjustment when we get to the ball. We know what the, so I'll say something like it's 175, you know, with air density, it's 18. We need, it's 185. what this shot is. Then it's like, what slope are we going to land into? You know, 2% slope, okay? Green density's, you know, 5.8 millimeters. Okay?

Our spin rate with this club is X, and we need to land it. It's going to release three yards. That's a lot of shit to remember. How long does it take you to learn all that and have it ready by the time you walk up to the bag and rattle all that off? All right.

Here's the front, here's the pin, back edge, air density, pitched on the green, all that. Like how long until you just have that down to where it's just habit? I mean, I think, you know, we started doing this in Travelers. We started doing the air density. You know, we've always known the, we've always been working on the green reading part, but the air density came in at Travelers probably four, maybe five years ago. We were playing in Naples, and we saw a green superintendent dropping a metal ball

and measuring the dent in the green. And we go, what's that? And they said, we're measuring. green density. So we're like, okay, cool, let's do that and see if it correlates. And so one of our weeks off, we flew to Fresno and went all around the golf course. I'd stand on the green. We'd drop a ball. He'd hit a shot in. And we'd measure the runout. So with that, for a year, I just kept keeping data and putting it in the spreadsheet and Excel spreadsheet. And then at the end of the year, I'd just push sort, you know? So I'd say, hey, he had a 178-yard

shot landing into a 2% slope, wind at a 45 degree angle down at 10 miles an hour, and it rolled out X. And I just kept putting those in after every round, right? And for a year, we did that, and then we just pushed sort and got a baseline. So our baseline is based on a 2% slope, no wind. Yeah, damn. I didn't do that for Wyndham, Colt. We had a lot less than that. When you got it for Wyndham, you didn't do that? I said, it looks like a nine iron dog. There you go. That, I mean, I've never heard this stuff. That is fascinating. Like, you know, Yeah, it is. I've been out there with your group, obviously, and I hear everything you are saying,

but I don't know what it means. I mean, I would go out on a limb and say, y'all are the only team that has ever done green density. That is just unbelievable. Because of all that. I mean, I see this. This is a great example. We were playing in Napa one year, and the 10th hole, the front of the green was a 4.5 millimeter green density, or 0.45. We call it 450.

Well, the middle right pin position was 800. super soft. So if you had a four iron into that green, it would just hit his pitch mark and stay. So the first round we're playing, everybody hits it in there about 12 feet, whatever. You know, we throw it right at it, try and land on the pen because we know

it's super soft. The next day I'm like, Bryce and the green density is 450 here. We just need to land it on the front. And we did, well, everybody else in the group threw it at the pen again because yesterday I didn't roll out any. They had 40, 40, 45. footers, rice and a 15 footer.

Wow. So I mean, in those situations, it's super important to know what that landing area is, you know, in that quadrant of the green. How do you get that? So on Mondays, I go out and I drop the ball and all the quadrants where I think where the pinnable locations are. And then I go to the putting green. I drop that ball in two locations on that, on the practice putting green. Okay.

And then I monitor that through the week. Well, Thursday, obviously, I can't drop anything on the greens, but I can't on the practice putting green. So I drop it on those same two spots that I've marked, and then I make the change. So if it rained overnight and it was super soft, let's say it was a 5.8 or 580 today, you know, it might be 680. So that's a considerable change in the green. So I'm assuming that the rest of the greens are that way, and that correlation works really well. Do you ever change, like in the middle of a round? Like what, you know, if you tee off at noon, the greens are going to probably look a little bit different at four o'clock when you're finishing up.

So are you like, okay, they used to be at this density, but now it's later in the day, the wind's been hitting them. They're probably at this. I mean, we don't really, you know, in that four hour period, don't really change it. But, you know, we trust what that is prior to teeing off. And I always check those, you know, our routine is he gets on the putting green an hour and a half before his tea time. And I'd just drop it right before then. Wow, that is. That's a lot.

That's real. How much shit do you have in that golf bag? I mean, there's got to be more gadgets and stuff in there. That's incredible. Sometimes there's four protein shakes in there. Yeah. Yeah, so you mentioned that. So when he comes to the team and he's like, guys, I'm going to change my body.

I'm going to put all this weight on and hit it as far as I can get stronger. What were your first thoughts? Screw up your wonderful golf swing, you know. But the one thing he always said, because I, I'd bring you this up and we'd say, Tim, I will never sacrifice accuracy for distance. And so, you know, he's in this in range of motion. I don't know if you've talked to him about this, but I mean, his golf swing is so stable that his motion really didn't change through that growth process, you know,

because, you know, the stuff you've learned with Chris and this, all this about the body, in range of motion with Greg Roscoff, all this stuff. they were able to just to maintain his golf swing to just add the strength, which is remarkable. Now, people would say, oh, he, he's not as accurate as he used to be. Well, he has to be more accurate to be as he used to be at 300 carry. Now he's at 335 or 340 carry. Wow. Tim, when Colt was talking about, you guys, you know, you said one thing you like about Bryson is

if you wanted to try something, you wanted to experiment, he was always up for it. He was always willing to see if it would, you know, help him play better golf. Is there anything that stands out to you, like an experiment you guys ran that didn't work out? And it was just, it was too weird or too anything that you just threw it away. I mean, yeah, all the time, constantly trying to stuff out. But, like, you know, we before Augusta one year, we were at Sage Valley. And, you know, we were trying to reduce spin with his clubs. And so we're like, what is the deal?

What are we missing here? So we, you know, like, hey, let's put. some golf balls in the hot tub and then let's put some in the freezer and then we bought you know this you know like you you shoot your steak and it tells you what the internal temperature is of it or whatever yeah we did that with these golf balls and we hit them and you know you're like okay well that wasn't a big difference not enough to to affect spin rate so you know it didn't work but you know we tried it or you know tour championship you saw people you know sprinting the golf ball of water so we can understand what the spin rate is.

You know, and it's like, just normal times I say, dude, we have a tournament to play. And he's like, no, I want to figure this out. It doesn't matter what tournament is. He will experiment anytime with anything. I mean, respect. I've never seen a man, maybe other than Tiger that eat, sleeps, breeze, golf. I mean, it just seems like that's all it is.

Does he away from the golf course? Does he do anything besides think about golf? He is, uh, he's, he's, he's, thinks about golf all the time. But he does, you know, he'll take a little time. Like he, he loves Fortnite. He enjoys doing that. Um, he loves, he likes to barbecue. He's really good at cooking chicken and steak. Um, so we've done a lot of that. Uh, you know, but I mean, he is, well, now his new passion obviously is working out. So like, you know, he, I think what happened during COVID is he goes, man, wait a second.

I have an amazing house with this beautiful gym. I have a life besides golf, you know. And he really, again, part of addictive personality, you know, got in the gym and he's like, okay, let me put these two passions together and he did. And it paid off. You mentioned. Does he, sorry, go ahead. I got to stay on that for one second because, you know, back at Charlotte at Wells Fargo,

he famously left because he thought he missed the cut. and then flew back. At any point before that flight were you like, hey, Bryce, maybe we just hang around a little bit and just make sure we don't make this cut? I mean, he was gone, and I was talking to his agent. He's like, Tim, he's left. It's okay. All right. Well, I'm leaving, but I flew to Houston knowing I could get a flight in two hours when I landed, we've made the cut. So I flew to Houston, had dinner, flew home or flew back. So I was back in bed by, you know, 11.30 at night. So. Bold,

bold strategy there. He could have just maybe hung around for a couple hours and seen a few beers, maybe, but I don't know, fly home, fly back. Tim, can, does Bryson sleep? His brain feels like the kind of brain that doesn't turn off. Like, does that guy, is he an insomniac stay up till all hours of the night? I feel

like he can't sleep. He does, you know, he does some, he does brain training. He does, you know, as people monitor his brain when he's sleeping, trying to help him get to sleep trying to turn it off a little bit. Or, you know, he has done it. He doesn't do it every night.

But he, you know, so he's looking at that stuff. But yeah, he understands the importance of the rest. So he like, he likes, it can sleep, you know, 10 hours. Yeah, and his room at his house, it's all blacked out. You know, when I go over there, you know, he'll go to bed at, you know, 11 o'clock and he won't, he won't come out of his room until 9 or 10 o'clock. Can you get me that? I like that.

I like that. People's phone number, please, because I sleep terrible. I need to turn this brain off. Too much, too high a frequency. Yeah. Exactly. What would you say is Bryson's biggest pet pee when it comes to a caddy? Like, what is the one thing if you did it would drive it nuts?

Yeah, that'd be impossible to say one. We got time, Tim. We got time, bro. I mean, dude, again, we had this talk at, so at Tori Pines, We're on the 10, 11, 12th hole, right? And I'm telling you, man, his brain works so much faster. Again, he's not a normal person. He's, his brain works so much harder, right?

And faster and a head, right? And he's always like, there's a better way. But we were joking about, you know, just little stuff, right? it's hard to explain but you know sometimes you know depending on the situation it aggravates him i mean is down to the way you handle the putter at times wow you know he's very specific and you know what that's my job as a caddy to to make my player comfortable not have to worry about the little stuff no no matter how little it is right so again you got a lot of little stuff I want him to perform at his highest.

I don't want him being upset at something that he's told me to do that I didn't adapt to and learn. You know, so it's, look, every player needs different things. And Bryson is, there's no, you know, that's, it's the same with him. You know, just he may have a few more, you know, things here and there. But, you know, in other areas, he's not that way. You know, he trusts me 100%, you know, with my work on the golf course, some lines, you know, where you think he might micromanage that.

He micromanages the little tiny stuff that I think is insignificant. But to him, you know, it can set him off or bother him. You know what I mean? Just a little nagging stuff. Nothing big. But we work through it and, you know, we talk about it. But, Sam, I think so much of what separates caddies from great caddies is knowing when and how to talk to their players.

So if you're out on the course with Bryson, let's say he wasn't having his best day. He was struggling a little bit. what way did you handle him as a caddy? Are you the rah-rah pump-up speech guy? Did he react to that? Or you just kind of leave him alone and let him do his own thing? You know, the thing I feel like with Bryson is he always needs to be thinking and talking where other players don't want that.

The more data, the better. If he ever gets quiet, that's a problem. But every time he hits a shot, whether it's a practice round, you know, if you notice, I stand right on top of him on the range. because I'm reading the numbers on, you know, the flight scope or the GC quad. We, every shot is an opportunity to gather data. And when we're on the golf course, he hits a bad shot. Okay, he wants to, the first thing is what happened.

So that's what I asked him. What happened there? And sometimes if he's upset, he's like, I don't know. And I go, yeah, you do. What happened? And then he goes, well, you know, I lost, you know, not enough owner deviation. And I lost my internal rotation with the right. us, whatever. Right? So then he, you know, okay, I got to do that, right? So it's just always,

or, you know, what did we miss there? We hit it over the green. What did we miss? And we go through what happened? Did we miss the wind? Did we, you know, what did we miss there? It was air density. Do we have a wrong number? Did I hit it hard? Did it not hit it hard enough? What was it? So every single shot is evaluated and talked about on our walk up. And he likes me to be right there with him. No, it's, I mean, it's fascinating. I mean, and I think, I mean, you're one of the best caddies in the world, but it takes a special person to caddy for Bryson. Like, I don't think anybody can just do it because of what he requires. Would you agree with that? Yeah, I mean, for sure. But, you know, again, if, you know, like Brian Ziegler's caddying for him now, Brian's a great guy,

knows him really well, knows his golf game, has worked with, you know, Chris Como for a long time, you know, worked at Dallas National. Um, you know, you know, Brian and I, Brian would come out to tournaments. He'd walk with me. We'd talk about all the things that we're doing, and he's learning these as we're going, you know. And, you know, if something happened, you know, I got hurt.

I've had a bad, really bad knee, but it's fine. But, you know, if something happened, I couldn't do it. Someone has to be able to step in, you know, every tournament is super important. So, you know, the show's got to keep running. But he, you know, Bryson, look, here's the thing. how's Bryson going to play golf about Tim doing all this stuff? Dude, I just,

Bryson knows all the answers. I just walk him through the steps, right? Because he's got so much going on in his brain. I'm not telling him what to do. I'm asking him what he's doing. Or, you know, we're just presenting the problem and solving the problem. That's all.

I mean, he knows that if we're putting down, you know, a 45-degree. angle on a 3% slope from 40 feet, right, then we need to hit at 70%, which is 28 feet. He knows the math on that, but I ask him, what do you like to slope at? What angle are you straight? How far is it? Okay, he'll ask me, what's the percent on a three? And I say it's 40, but at a 45 degree angle, it's 70. Seven times four, 28, let's at this 28 feet. He knows that, but as we walk through it, it just gives him that much more level. of confidence. Are you surprised? Simple. Yeah. Are you surprised at all? Like more players don't have the

approach he has? Man, you know, that the, I don't know many players. I mean, I know them all, right? But I really don't know them in that way. So I, you know, because I'm so focused on Bryson. You know, I don't know many caddies because we work, you know, a lot. And so, and then we get out of there, but, you know, it's time to get some rest. But, you know, I don't. I don't know. I mean, I see some players like Phil to me seems like he loves information. You know, and then you get a guy like Bubba. I don't think he wants any, you know.

And, you know, everybody's different. But like to watch Bubba play golf is freaking amazing, you know. What he does, like he is the greatest artist of all time, right? And then to watch Bryson, the scientist, you know, no way. Is he using any feel or everything is mapped out. And he's thinking about his golf swing while he's swinging, you know, where a lot of people say that's bad for him. If he doesn't think about it, he's toast.

Tim, with all the information that you've run us through that you need to, you know, convey to Bryson before he gets a shot, combined with the hours that you would spend on the golf course, the sessions after the rounds and things like that, do you think being on the bag for Bryson, is that the most demanding job as a caddy on the PGA tour? you know that's a tough i don't know i mean i don't know what other caddies are doing to be honest you know um but not that it's fun it's really fun and it's amazingly rewarding to be able to go

hey you know every week bryson's playing 11 stent greens regardless of what they are because we do the math to make that happen you know we go to capelua where it's super grainy the greens are slow the wind's a major factor you know we'll spend hours on the putty trying to get our formulas right so that its speed's proper, you know, and it's, it's difficult sometimes. You know, the biggest factor with putting in trying to make all the greens 11, you know, even though they're not, is when it's windy, the wind, people don't realize the, how much the wind affects speed.

It's insane. And that's like, again, I would tell, as you know, Caddian, it, being a caddy, the one thing that's, you can never figure out is the wind, and we've tried. million different ways to try and be better with the wind. And it is so hard. That's the one thing people to understand how difficult it is. You know, weekend, week out of different golf courses, the wind. If we can figure out the wind, man, be amazing. Yeah, I mean, this is the big God. Yeah, the most fascinating stuff I've ever heard. Take us through an off week for Tim Tucker. Like, are you ever required to go spend an off week with him? Or are you at home? What do you do?

It depends on what he, you know, sometimes I go to Dallas, you know, he's like, hey, we've got to figure something out. Let's go. Okay. I'm in, right? But, you know, typically when I'm off, you know, I'm trying to play golf, get my golf game. Well, I'm trying to get it in shape now because I have some time. But, you know, I'd go play a little bit of golf, just hang out, you know. I love to ski.

I grew up skiing. I love, I love snow skiing. I love being in the, you know, the totally opposite climate, 80 degrees. I want to be, you know, 32 and sunny, right? Up in Vail or somewhere. Yeah, it's a good life. You ain't the only one. I know you're just getting out of the caddy game right now.

Is there any situation where you could see yourself caddying on the PJ Tour again? I really don't know, you know. I don't, I haven't even thought about it, to be honest, you know. I mean, people thought, you know, maybe he's hurt or something. No, I mean, I've lost 40 pounds over the last year and a half, you know, year and a half inspired by Bryson to get better, right? So I mean, you know, I'm in great shape. I'm working out more, you know, now that I'm home. So, you know, still trying to lose another 15 pounds and just, you know, work on my body, work on my golf game. But, you know, I'm trying to get

this business running and a business partner helping me, Amos Baker. He's a caddy at Bandon or was. And so, you know, we're working to get that done. I just drove a bus five days from Erie, Pennsylvania to Bandon Dune. So it was 2,600 miles into 36-foot bus I've never driven. So that was interesting to say the least. Well, tell us a little bit more about it. So it's called Loop. It's called Loop.

And it's just strictly abandoned dunes, correct? I've never been to Bandon Dunes. So I know it's hard to get to. But tell us- Yeah. Bain and Dunes is like this magical place. And I don't know. I tell people that.

haven't been to Bandon. First off, you know, when you go on a vacation, you know, this anticipation of going, you build it up or what you've seen or heard, you know, you build it up in your mind and then you get there and it's not quite, it's nice, but not what you thought. I always tell people Bandon will exceed your expectations when you get there. And like, I've taken breaks from caddian. I'd be, you know, I'd go somewhere else in Caddy in the winter and then go back to Bannon. I'd be like on the 16th T at Bandon Dunes. It's going, man, this is better. And I remember. You know, it's unbelievable. But, you know, working out there, I worked out there for 12 years. The clientele is amazing.

People, you know, all walks of life going out there. But it's definitely like that bucket list trip. And I felt like, you know, the trip, it's hard to get to. So if you fly to Portland, you have a four and a half hour drive. You find a Eugene, you have three hour drive. And if you fly it into, if you private travel into Cous Bay, you have a 40. five minute drive. And I was like, wouldn't it be great if the trip started when you landed instead of four and a half hours later. And so I've built this beautiful, you know, this bus is 30, 36 feet long. It had eight chairs on board. It has a full bathroom. That's a bar. The chairs are heated,

cool massage. I think they're 10 way power seats. I mean, they do everything. And so it's, you know, it has an amazing sound system, has two TVs. You can watch live sports while you're driving down the road. And it's just, you know, I say your trip starts when you land because you get, you know, you're with your eight best or seven other best friends, man, going to this mystical golf destination. And, you know, it's like this cool journey.

Because everybody knows when you go to Scotland, you drive into these little shuttle buses flying all down these little roads and it's bumpy and long hours, but people love it, you know. because they're bonding with their buddies, right, for hours. And that's what we wanted to do. You know, we wanted us to be luxurious and that's what we did. So I think everybody that sees it has told me it's second to nine. It's unbelievable.

I was actually talking to a couple of caddies up there today about you, and they said this bus is unbelievable. Like it is the real deal, Holyfield. So I know that thing is going to be sick. Tell us a little bit about your boy, Amos, your business partner, because the word on the street is he's a legend up there abandoned. Yeah, yeah, he is. Bannon's a really interesting guy.

I met him in 1998. I was a pro at a club down in Springfield, Oregon, and met him. He'd just come back from Europe. He had played in Luxembourg for two years, you know, European basketball. And anyway, went to Bandon. I don't know if he went on a trip or what, but he ended up caddy in there. And he showed up about the same time I did. And, you know, he's super competitive like I am.

And, you know, I used to be a pretty good amateur golfer. And so I got my, you know, we compete a lot and play golf and just became friends over the years. So I've known him since 2003. That's awesome. How can people book it, book Luke with you? So, yeah, our website is about to go live. Bandon Loop Transportation.com is our website. If you just type in Loop Transportation or Banden, it's going to pop.

up. Also, we're abandoned is, you know, put us on their website. You know, I've had a relationship with everybody out at Bandin all these years and kept in touch with them. And so they've been great. They put me on their website. They're going to help me book, you know, trips. And then obviously there's 330 caddies at Bandin, which, you know, we know most of them. And, you know, through their request, they'll be talking to their guys and getting us out there. So I think I think it's going to be a home run for us. We're excited about it. obviously a new venture is still a little nervous, but, you know, Bryson has told me to help support me in any way with this,

and he'd invest in it if I'd asked. And so, you know, which I think is amazing, right? So I should kind of tell you the relationship we have. He's willing to go on a business venture with me. Yeah, that's awesome. If you go to Band and Book that thing right there with Loop. Quick, what's the air density in Bandin right now? Go.

It's 100 feet, probably 60 degrees. There you go. He don't miss. He don't miss. All right, we got one last little part here. We do this, Emergency Nine, with all of our guests. These are nine fun ones. We like to have fun with the guests at the end of the show,

and then we'll let you get out of here. But we ask this to everybody, first part of the Emergency Nine, if you could trade lives with anybody for a day, dead or alive, who would it be? Price and DeShambu. Incredible answer. Perfect. Then you could complain about the way he has the putter to you. That'd be perfect.

Be perfect. All right, next one, Tim. More unforgettable experience. Winning the U.S. Open or the first time you walked into the Bachelor Inn? Maybe you have to tell people what the Bachelor Inn is, perhaps. Bachelor Inn is this amazing gentleman's club in Cous Bay. So I will tell you, I walked in with a group of guys. And the girl on stage is wearing Converse high tops and asked us if we wanted to see some milk.

Wow. All right. Colt, when you go, bro, it's like a ride of passage. Like, you just have to go. It might not be the best place you ever been to, but you ain't never going to forget it. It's all time. Oh, that's fantastic. All right. Next one.

Most hours you and Bryson have ever spent at the golf course in one day. Like 12, maybe 12.13. What's the latest you've ever been on the range, you think? Four times. 9.30. It's been dark for an hour. But, you know, he has a slights. up there so he's got he's got the iPad in front of him so we know where it's going even though

people like why's getting balls in the dark we know where they're going that's awesome somebody filmed it and put it on Twitter and it was just a black screen and you just heard a thwack every like eight seconds and I was like what are you even videoing here uh all right next thing name one thing you had to carry in the bag day and day out for bryson that easily could have been left behind uh protein shake maybe um well I always carried three bars he only ate two he always he definitely wanted his organ he always drank drink drink those um then he always carry like four or five liquid IV and he'd only have one but you know I will tell you a funny story if I can we were in Capulua and you know this is my first time in

capilu and I didn't think you know I mean there's a beautiful sunny day in Hawaii it's not going to rain well as you guys know the rain can pop up two seconds so we're on the 13th hole. 11, 12, 13th hole. Short little drivable hole. And he hits, he'll lay up. He hits an iron off the tee. And it starts misting, pretty heavy and missed.

He's like, where's the umbrella? And I'm like, I didn't bring it. So he's upset about that. You know, because again, it's not for him to stay dry. It's that he wants the umbrella over the ball, you know, so it gets less rain on it, so our spin rate doesn't go up three. So anyway, he gets up and he's standing by the ball and there's a sprinkler head by him. And I said, hey, what's that sprinkler head say?

He said, the caddy forgot my effing umbrella. That is so good. I don't see that in my book here, Bryson. I love that. All right. Next one, at the start of the show, you said you don't watch much TV, but you love NFL football. Who is Tim Tucker rooting for on Sundays? Washington.

Who? Formerly known as the Redskins, Washington Football Club. The football team. You're a big football team fan. This relationship just went south. 30 years, man, diehard. I love it. What do you think their name should be? Skins. I knew you're going to say that.

The Redskins, obviously. Yeah, that seems to work. All right. Here's a little catty question here for you, Tim. You've been around most of these dudes, and I know some of them, and a lot of them can drink some booze. which caddy on tour, if there was a competition, could drink the most beers in a six-hour stretch.

There he is. Oh, sorry, Caddy. I'm just kidding. Beautiful. Most beer. Well, I know the most vodka would be fuch, but most beer, caddy. Well, me. You?

Yeah. I like how six hours, how many do you think you could get down at six hours over under? I drink, I've drink 11 without. pissing. I know that. That's pretty damn good. That's probably unhealthy. Man, you know, before, I don't

know, in six hours, I mean, probably 13. Fair number. That's a little buzz. You don't only have to piss once. You don't have to piss once. You don't have to piss one time. He heard a story recently from Pat Perez who said

one day when daily we had his bus set up outside of Augusto and he signs autographs and sell stuff over Hooters, the waitress brought him a beer and said, sir, this is your 72nd beer of the day. Whoa. That is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. I don't think I could buy that. That's what Pat said.

I'm just saying, I didn't say that, but if that's true, that's freaking incredible. I mean, I think I've drank a case of beer playing golf, but that's about it. 72. I mean, Jesus, that's got to be alcohol poisoning or something. All right, let's go to this one. Say your phone rang. There's a job offering to come caddy. take Bryson out of the mix obviously

what other player would you be willing to go caddy for you think or is there someone you would want to I don't have a caddy for like anybody for one day you would Tiger Woods Tiger Woods yeah

there it is three events a year be perfect that'd be nice yeah is that job open? Perfect love it is that job open Joey's got that on long down all here we go

carry for the greatest player to ever walk the planet. Yeah, I agree with you. Yeah, it'd be pretty pretty easy, I think. Tiger is like this amazing guy, too, on top of it. So, all right. I'd only imagine it'd be fun. We'll put you. We'll start that rumor circulating. Tim Tucker is going to caddy for Tiger Wood. We're going to get that in every headline. That's the only thing we're going to clip out of this whole interview. All right. Next one from me. Pop quiz here, Timmy. You're going to test your skills, see if you still got it, right? I'm going to give you a situation. You have five seconds to answer with your response. You're ready? Okay. You're in the fairway with Bryson. You have 175 yards to the

front edge. The pin is eight paces on. The temperature is 82 degrees with 81% humidity. Wind in your face eight miles per hour and it's a full moon. What distance is it playing? Go. I couldn't tell you because I have to know what the temperature and the air density was at noon on Monday. Oh shit. None of the above. I don't have a baseline. And after we, had this conversation. I didn't give you green density either. So there's a lot of missing variables in this equation. All right, I'll allow it this once. Perfect. All that is. Last contest. You and Bryson, unbelievable run. Obviously, a bunch of wins. U.S. Open champ. First shot that comes to your mind when you think, if I ask you, what's the best shot you ever saw Brackson

Shambow hit? Freewood, John Deere Classic for his first win. Ooh, that was quick. Freewood, John Deer Classic. Take it through it. What hole? 17th hole. He hit it in the right rough. It was trampled down, but there was this berm because the fairway fell off down into the rough. And he was 273 yards, Fairway would,

his three wood, and just smokes this thing. Hits it up onto the green like 30 feet, two puts. Next hole makes birdie. I think he was like six back at the turn and won the turn. in the first win. That's awesome. Well, Tim Wick. I'll tell you what, man. This has been a pleasure. So insightful, so cool of you

to do this with us. We really appreciate it, man. And best of luck with Luke. Everybody go book that when you go to Band and Dunes. Please, guys. Yeah, dude, thank you so much. It's been fun, man. You got it. Yes. Support our man, Timmy. Thank you, dude. We appreciate it. Sir, my pleasure. All right. Well, that was Tim Tucker on Golf Subbar. Bryson DeCampo's former caddy. How cool was that, Sleece? Yeah, after you're hearing all that, man. I don't know that I've ever been more convinced that I was doing golf the wrong way. Or maybe I've never been more convinced I was doing it the right way. But when we start talking about green density and all this different type of shit that I'd never

heard about before, there's just a lot going on there that I had never really factored in. That job requires a lot of work. One of the interesting things I thought, Colt, because you and I have talked about this on here, he mentioned the green reading books and what goes on with the greens. Like we've said before, at Bryson at Augusta, we think that's a tough place for him and maybe the reason he hasn't played well is because he leans on those green reading books as much or more than anybody else on tour and then tim said he thinks he's going to be great when he get when the green reading books go away because bryson's such a great putter so i don't know there's little i guess our opinion going into that's a little bit different than what tim thought and

he clearly knows better than most yeah i was just fascinated with all the stuff he was talking about you know all their all the stuff they go through to prepare for a golf tournament it's just something I've never heard before. But when you sit back and you think about everything he just said with the green density, the air density, you're like, damn, dude, that, I mean, it makes sense. It's just a lot of information. Yeah, a lot of what, like when you said, if you ask him how far he hits a seven iron, he's going to say, I don't know, what kind of grass, where are we?

What's the temperature? All that stuff. I mean, it's true. You go out in the morning some days and it's a little colder and your nine iron's not flying as far as it was yesterday afternoon and things like that. Like everyone kind of knows that, I guess, but they don't have it down to a science. It's like, oh, now my ball instead of flying 180, it flies 175.5. Like, he's got it all down to science and numbers.

We're just kind of like, oh, yeah, it goes a little shorter right now. He wants to control every variable there is. Like you just said, it's like, yeah, I know when it's colder, the ball's going to go a little shorter. When it's hotter, it's going to go further. He knows exactly how farther or shorter it's going to go. Yeah, or like grass growing down grain. All right, my seven iron goes this far. Back into the grain, it only goes this far.

Like, we all kind of know that more or less, but we just know more like, on field. Like, oh, yeah, I got to play this a little bit further. You know, I'm into the grain versus him. He's like, oh, yeah, this plays four yards shorter now because I hit it four yards further, you know, from this lie or whatever. It's just, like you said, all the variables are gone. That's why I went to the single-length club to eliminate the variables. He doesn't want to have a different swing for each different club. It's just one golf swing and make all the clubs the same same length. Yeah, man, it was so cool. And I, you know, I think what everyone wanted to know was what exactly happened there in Detroit at the Rocket Mortgage.

And we dove into that right away. And I mean, I actually appreciate him saying, you know, I kind of regret not waiting until the end of the week. You know, but he can't go back in time and change that. But I just thought that was very, very interesting how it all went down and how it happened Wednesday night before golf tournament, especially where he's the defending champion. Yeah, I think there's probably regret on both sides there with Bryson and with Tim.

But like he took the high road. He had nothing but nice things to say about Bryce. and he wasn't going to come on here and bash Bryson and unload and all those things. Those guys still have a great relationship. It sounds like they've even been talking since the split and he wished them nothing but the best going forward. So there wasn't going to be any like gotcha type of stuff there where he was airing it out. But cool just to hear about that relationship. I mean, they started from the jump and built that thing into a juggernaut.

And now Tim's headed off into the business world. Dude, you got to get to band and dunes at some point, not only to use his new company, but you've got to see this bachelor in, bro. I'm telling you, it's like, it's one of those things you go there. you can't unsee it. And I'm not going to say what you're seeing is good, but it's almost just like initiation. You go to Ban on Dunes.

You got to go to The Bachelor in just to experience it and hear what everyone's talking about. The place is a national monument. Oh, man. Well, listen, everyone out there, they wanted this interview to happen. We got it done for you. I hope y'all enjoyed it.

I know we enjoyed it. I mean, if you look at the looks on our faces, I mean, our jaws were hitting the table every five minutes, it seemed like. But, God, I can't think Tim Tucker enough. That was so cool. And like I said, I hope everyone enjoyed it. So, ladies, we got no PJ tour event this week.

We got the Olympics going on. I know we'll all be tuned into that. Wish all the guys over there the best of luck. But we're going to get back to the gambling at the WGC and Memphis, which we will be there on site, doing a whole lot of interviews. Hope everyone has a great week, and we'll talk to you on next week's about subpar.