Subpar - Tony Romo Interview: Filling the void left from football with golf, how much he actually practices, and his career goals

Episode Date: October 20, 2020

On this week's episode of GOLF's Subpar, former Dallas Cowboys Quarterback Tony Romo joins former PGA Tour pro Colt Knost and his close friend and on course rival Drew Stoltz for an exclusive interview from Maridoe Golf Club in Dallas, Texas. The highest paid NFL analyst in television history talks sharing the booth with Jim Nantz, what he misses about football that he has found in golf, and how his time as QB of the Cowboys hardened him for life.

Hello world. Welcome to another week of golf subpar, Colt Nost and Drew Stoltz. Got a major, major, major interview this week. We'll get to that in a second. But firstly, we've got to touch on Shadow Creek, the CJ Cup. I mean, that place is just heaven. How about it, dude? Just looking at it on TV, I've never had more like, I want to get on the first thing smoking and fly to that town and play whatever tour event it was that week. That place looks so good.

We've both been able to play a number of times, but just looking at the way the greens bounced. It was firm. I had doubts of how firm they could get it fresh out the overseed. The rough was up, which made it tough. And, I mean, dude, it looked as good as it could possibly be. And pretty much every tour player that was on property said, this is maybe the most well-manicured golf course I've ever played on. That's pretty damn good.

I was getting videos from Justin Thomas and Paul Casey of just the course. And they're like, this place is just, like you said, as good as any place they've ever been. I mean, they're rivaling it with Augusta, with how good a shape this place is in. I had so much FOMO. I hated it. Yeah.

I'm sitting there watching. I wonder what they're drinking. I wonder if they've had a Ronda reader. Where's Ronda? I should go up there. Should I go up there and tell them? Dude, it looks so good. And I know every tour player is raved about the place.

Question, like, I'm sure if the tour players had their way, they would love to play there, make that an annual stop. Play at Shadow Creek. Do you think it's at all realistic with the way that course is and how hard it would be

to get fans in and out and around that place that it could fit on. Yeah, there's not much room for fans at all period. There's like no room for fans. And you also, I mean, it's a small place. Like a small driving range. you'd have to always do like a limited field event, the 78 guys.

I don't think you could ever do like a full field event there. Getting fans in and out of there with a one way with a little tiny, I mean, it would just be a logistics like nightmare, I feel like. But man, it would be cool to see that place every single year, especially after every player came off the golf course. Like, this place is sweet. Well, one man really enjoyed it, Sleez. Jason Cochrat gets his first win on the PGA tour after 231 starts.

233. 233 starts. Unbelievable. I've known Jason for a long time. Great player, great ball striker. The putter heated up this week. number one in putting and was able to win by two shots over Xander Schaulay, who shocker was right there again.

I mean, the dudes never plays bad. He's more, I think he has eight runner-ups now in like the last few years. He's so close to being just like elite elite. But shout out to Jason Coak. What a performance. He's been a great ballstrucker for a long time. Putter this week led the field in putting for the first time in the history of his PJ tour career. We had him on our radio show today talking about like what's different, what did he do.

So he went for a little longer putters. Caddy told him you look too hunched over when you put. So he put two inches on his putter, bumped it up to 36. And also Kevin Nah, who he shares a swing instructor with, went to him and said, maybe you should try a stiffer shaft in your putter, which is something I've never even really thought about my life, like what shaft is in my putter.

Like, what shaft putter. It might not have as much give when you hit it, and you might like it. Put those two things in play, and bam. I mean, he just, he went off this week. Yep. He's really starting to figure this game out. Made the tour championship last year,

now gets his first win. Big things coming for Jason Cochreck, but maybe big things coming in November where a guy that hits bombs and likes to draw it right to left. I mean, and now of a sudden got something clicking with his putter, Augusta National's got to be a place that looks pretty good to him right now. Yeah, he'll be making his first trip there. And yeah, you never know.

Shit, I mean, weird things have happened. Confidence is a weird thing. Speaking of weird things, Phil Nicholson won again on the BGA Tour champions. Two for two. Yeah, you think Bernard Longer's like, God damn it. All right, we get it, dude. Go back down to where you belong. This is my show up here because he's come up there two for two now.

I had a little fight this time with Mike Weir ran away from the first one fairly easily. but I mean we'll see how many more of these things he plays like we said confidence is a weird thing that if winning is winning i don't care who you're beating it feels good to win and he's doing it out there right now we'll see how much more he gets out there but i know he likes to play a lot leading up to majors yeah yeah they probably got they had a fucking hate seeing him out there right now he'll be down the road from us in a couple weeks at phoenix central club yeah he's going to get ready for the master so fun to see and phil get your ass on the podcast let's go yeah perfect timing dude charles schwab up right down the road maybe pop in have a couple tell us how great you are all that

stuff. That's how smart you are. Take your shirt off, show shabs. Exactly. Yeah, exactly. We can pop them off if you want. I like it. All right.

Well, Sleeze, it's time to open up the mailbag. We got some good questions this week. Producer Mark, what are we rolling with? All right. So the back nine at Augusta, the roars on Sunday is something that everyone looks forward to. Rob Pritz on Twitter wants to know. Would you like to hear piped in roars on Sunday like they are doing for some of the other

sports? It'd be interesting. I don't think I would mind. it. I would maybe want to hear it like on Thursday and then see how it goes. But it'd be interesting. It'd be like wait until somebody's right over the ball and then just jam that that eagle sound. Yeah, I was there the year Louis made the two on number two out there. And I was on a 12T right by 11 green 12 T sitting there. And we could hear it all the way from over there and we're like, you could just see the players kind of like pop up, look around, look at the

scoreboard and all of a sudden they went and flipped Louis three more than whatever he was at the time. to like, holy shit. So the roars are cool out there. I don't know about speakers out there. I wonder who'd be in charge of that. All right, he's over the ball. Hit him with the roar. Yeah.

It'd be interesting. All right, J.D. Goring on Twitter wants to know. What is the one thing you look forward to each year that isn't professional golf related? Oh. Oh. I'll let you go first.

One thing I look forward to each year that is not professional golf related. Not related to golf at all? There's a couple like little jicky jack pro scratches that I look forward to, but that involves golf. But it's not pro golf necessarily. I'll say the Kentucky Derby. I love the Kentucky Derby. Oh, I got mine. I've been.

It's a blast. Sleez has been. Yes. It's a spectacle. And I love, even when I'm not there, I love watching it. That thing's an unbelievable sporting event to attend. Unlike any other, it's sweet. You get all doll up and have some of those little whatever specialty drinks they are and just absolutely get amongst it.

But my favorite day of the year, arguably, that I look forward to the start of college football season. It feels a little different this year because it's all jazz. jacked up with COVID and all that stuff, but I'm diehard college football. We'll watch from sunup to sundown. So when college football season starts, I know, like, I got a few months of just greatness on Saturday. So probably started college football season for Sleese. Okay, last one for you guys.

If you had a tour event where a player could subtract a stroke for every beer he consumed while he was playing, who would be the favorite to win? Oh, God, that's a good format. I should trot that out sometime. Sorry, that comes from Keith O'Halloran. That's a good question. Good shout out, Keith, good question. I'll go Boo Weekly.

I think Boo could get them back. He likes his Natty Light. I think the guy that just won this week might have a pretty good shot at it. I think Jason Cochrat could put a few down, as you would say. And I'd like to see, I think, I know he's a big Tito's guy, so I don't know what his beer intake would be. But Harry Higgs, I'd like to see Harry throw his hat in that ring as well, too. He ain't afraid, you know? I don't know if he's a beer guy, more of a Tito's guy.

The world needs more Harry Higgs. How about the little cranberry? Do you see his little video of him driving around just spilling cranberries? He's all over his chin. He looked incredible. We do need more of that cat. He's the greatest. Well, thanks for those questions.

Keep him coming. Yes, we love him. All right. Slees, it's time to get to it. Here he comes. Number nine. Number nine, the highest paid sports broadcaster in the history of the world. Tony Romo is this week's guest on golf subpar.

This is it, man. We had a hell of a time. We had him inked up with him. I literally checked up with him every single day leading up. Okay, seven o'clock this day. So I'm going to clock. Yeah, yeah. All good.

All good. All good. We get down there. and all of a sudden, oh, I can't do it that time. We're going to have to rearrange. So we definitely adapt to the schedule of the great Tony Romo, but we got him to sit down, and that's a hard thing to do. Not many people get that, so.

It was a blast. He was awesome, and always love hanging out with Tony, but hope you all enjoy it. Here's Tony Romo on golf subpar. So, ladies, before we get to Tony Romo, we want to tell you y'all out there, a little bit about Rockform, our official sponsor. Absolutely.

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not to mention two-time winner of the American Century Celebrity Championship and last but not least winner of the, hold on, racing tri-course amateur championship. What a big one. By nine. That was a big one. I actually dominated from start to finish there. There were three

people in the field. Two were under the age of 50. Three people in the field. Hell of a dub though. Top three going in no matter what. Those are the kind of tournaments I like to play in. I know. That's what I say. If you need a confidence boost, come and play in the track course. The racing tri-course course. I'm back. You got your answer back. There's actually some good players in there.

Yeah, there were some. You won by nine, little blitzkrag of the field there. How convenient you win by nine. I know. I did that as well. What's the name of the show again? Subpar. Subpar.

Don't ever forget that. Subpar. I forgot that. Because we had a subpar tournament. I won that by nine, too. Anyway, you just plan that around your number? Like, I'm up 10. I'm just going to buggy the last to win by nine.

Oh, that's a good one. I never thought that. See? He should. Write that down. We got you right before you get out on the course, though. give me the rundown of your practice schedule right now because I would argue that you practice golf more than any human that I know to our guys included Well, it's like anything I genuinely want to improve it something if I'm gonna put if I'm gonna do it

You know I don't want to you know one day just be like hey, I'm Drew Stoltz, you know Yeah, that's good not a lot of people want that keep this up I like cut that. That'll be edited How many hours a day are we talking? I would say, you know, starting off the year, if it's not in football season, which changes, obviously when I have to travel and announce games. But, you know, I'll be out there for a good six to eight hours once in a while. Wow. So obviously you do a lot of stuff to get your body ready to go out to the golf course.

And how does it compare to get your body ready for football? It's different. I think when I first started, when I was younger and you're playing football, I mean, I would play sports 24-7. I mean, like, literally, I'd wake up and it would be an off-season day, and it would be, you know, six, We're in there at seven. You lift, you work out, you run, you do all the normal stuff. Back then it was about two hours of time, maybe, maybe until 9.30. Then I'll go to the golf course and hit balls, let's say, just practice a little bit for a few hours. And then we'd have two games. So I'd play in like a church basketball league, and then I'd play in a soccer league, indoor soccer. So it'd be like, oh, this is at five. And this other one's at nine. tonight and I go home crash and do it all over again and I look back now I'm like hmm probably needed to do some back exercises a little just a little bit but you mentioned you played everything growing up like we all had dreams as a kid like obviously ours was to be

on a podcast and we're doing it and we're doing it no big was your dream as a kid I'm true yeah was your dream as a kid to be in the NFL or something else oh no yeah to be on our podcast yes that was your dream yeah I when I was a kid it was actually basketball so for me initially just started off with like loving Michael Jordan and you know Pistol Pete Marevich I can remember seeing the movie my dad showed me and you know from there it was just practicing dribbling around the house doing everything blindfolded I mean it's like imitating you know whatever you saw on TV and then as it got a little older I basically chose football as a junior in high school almost randomly and then

there was I said oh I probably have a little better chance of being good at this than that but I just like competition at its core that's really you know as a kid I wanted to grow up and play sports some fashion so well let's run it back to the beginning then you start off at eastern illinois you end up winning the walter peyton award there so my mom had me at oh we're not going that far back no no yeah you want to start there okay no no when were you created no what night but you win the walter patent award there you come out when you're coming out of high school you only started as a junior did you have other offers you were trying to go somewhere else or was it was just wherever i can go to play it was actually a tough decision because you know

I can't even remember how many offers. Yeah, actually I do. It was only Eastern Illinois. I can't remember, but yes, that was it. And it was a half scholarship. I had to pay for my own books and food and such. But I think the deal worked out okay for both of us. Yeah.

Was that more of only starting to play football late, like in high school, or it was just from being like a small town in Wisconsin? Do you think you could have gone and had a similar success at a division one or power five? No. I just I think it was just because I wasn't very good I mean that makes sense I just started playing and it's like like golf you know like I'm better than you now but when we first started we're gonna get into all that you know and yeah you just you got to practice get to get better and improve and I stunk so I probably didn't even deserve the half scholarship

yeah but you obviously your jersey gets retired at eastern Illinois you go to the you get undrafted Was it like your senior year, were you kind of expecting to be drafted? Or was it just like, I'm going to go to the NFL and see what happens? So I did win our conference player of the year in college. And then I won our version of the Heisman. It's the Walter Payton Award at the AA back then. And most of the time guys go. So you see what's happened before you when you win certain stuff like that.

Like guys get drafted or they're in the NFL. Not a ton of success, I would say, as far as like, oh, he goes on and does something for a long period of time. But I also knew in the back of my head, like every year, you know, it's kind of why I would never skip a day of throwing. It's like, I'm just not as good as these guys. Like I sit and I've seen this guy throw. I went to a camp and watched the Bears quarterback's when I was in college, you know, and it was like Chris Chandler. I mean, it was just guys that could throw a ball where I watched. I'm like, man, I stink.

And it was like, I got to improve. And so every day I would just throw and I throw twice a day. I'd throw it into the pillow at night. And over time, it's just you slowly get better. And then all of a sudden, something clicks. And I think I call it the 30% rule where it's like you're not really ever improving. You're kind of almost getting worse. You're trying, you're trial and error.

Take this, do that, toss that, stuff. Then all of a sudden, something comes into play and it connects the dots for five, six of the things that you've been. And then all of a sudden it's simple. And now it's reactionary. And now it's just, you're never that old guy again that you were before. because you know how many times you've been around people and they never really are different five years later. He's really good, but he's always just been really good. And he stinks and he kind of always stinks says you always know you're waiting for that one shot.

You know, it's like it's hard to really make a change and improve. And I try to do that in football and I think I, you know, when that 30% thing came, it was a big deal. Yeah, you got that shot with the Dallas Cowboys, obviously. Yeah. And I met you when you were a backup, maybe even third string. QB3. Yeah. We played golf at Roll Oaks, went out to dinner, hung out for a little bit.

You had that game at Royal Oaks. You used to have all those boys. Cox. Oh, yeah. Chris Cox. Flores was there for a little bit. But we go to dinner and, you know, no one really bothers us. We're just hanging out, nothing.

But then you become the starting quarterback for the Dallas Cowboys. And things changed a little bit. When did you realize like, okay, life's a little different now? I'd almost happen like overnight. It was like you could, it was like all of a sudden I was better looking. It's weird how that. It's crazy how that happens. You got funnier, too.

That's true. You did get way funnier. You got way funnier when you got famous. Yeah. No, actually, I was always funny. That part of it, that was saying. But I think the rest of it, you just sensed like all of a sudden you getting invited to the best shows subpar.

I mean, you're getting all the things just changed where your normal routine if you wanted to. You could go do a whole bunch of more stuff. And so you almost like have to suppress that and kind of go. And, you know, it takes you just a little. bit of time to do it, but eventually you just get back to who you are. A little easier to get a dinner reservation once you're the starting quarterback for the Dallas Cowboys. Yeah, it's easier than, you know, having my podcast. When was the last time you called a restaurant and they're like,

I'm sorry, we're full? Oh, that happens. Yeah? Yeah. When you use the last name? No, I mean, it doesn't happen for me. I'm saying it happens to people. Oh, it happens to other people. Yeah, yeah. There are times when restaurants are full. I'll be honest. I've used your name to get a reservation at the tap room at Pebble Beach. I've actually heard this. Yep. Yeah, called and I was like, hey, Colton knows him in the tournament. No, we're full. I was called back. I'm like, hey, I need a table for Tony Romo.

Like, all, cool. Six people. Me, no to be gay and Brett, Brett, that used to be at Dallas National. Oh, yeah, Britt. Britt. And they're like, oh, cool, six tables. Sit there. When's Mr. Romo coming?

Oh, he's late. He'll be here a little bit. Yeah, he's coming, guys. We order our food, paid the bill. Something came up. Tony couldn't make it. But thank you for that dinner reservation. Thanks for the private room, though.

And this is all taken care of, right? Tony's going to be pissed if we pay. downtown. Didn't even do anything. Just went home and watched television. I love it. Was there like a pinch yourself moment where you're like, I mean, like you said, undrafted, QB3, you're holding kicks and things all of a sudden.

Then bam, you're starting quarterback. You're not only just starting quarterback, starting quarterback for the Dallas Cowboys. That's different than being started for the bucks. Yeah, I think, I don't know. I mean, when you're in it, it's just as happening. It's not like you're like, you don't plan for like, okay, this is how this is going to go. it's usually like a it's not usually a overnight whack boom here it is and it was when I became the starter from how I felt in like six weeks your life changed right there but everything else in

sports or everything else around always had like a slow progression it's like okay now you get in the NFL you're undrafted it's going to take me time to get good at this I mean it takes you know it probably took me three years to really be able to be a consistent player at the court requisition in the NFL and that's what practicing every day and thinking about it all the time and college is the same it's like I come in it's like do you you want to play tight end you know they try and move move me in my first year there and I was like give me one off season and that was where I switched right there after my first six months in college is where I probably didn't not throw a ball for 10 straight years like there was no one day I missed and uh you know that probably was the start of

Just the work ethic, I think. Is there more pressure being the quarterback for the Dallas Cowboys, say, compared to other teams, you think? Because, I mean, Dallas is always, like, no matter what happens, win or lose, they're the topic of every conversation on SportsCenter the next day. Yeah, I think, I don't know. It's a guess because I've never quarterbacking another team. So it'd be, like, a hypothetical, and I'm not really into hypotheticals. But I would say you felt the weight of it, you know. You knew you're, you know, back before, you know, if you threw an interception,

lose the game or a bunch of picks, which I never did. Never. If it did happen per se on that one occasion, you knew you're going to be talked about poorly here over the next 24 to 48 hours and might open a lot of the Sports Center shows and such with that. And so you just, it toughens you up, though. I mean, really, I look back now, I'm like, it sucks when you're going through that. But it's also what really you want to improve and get good at something.

And I think it's, it hardens you and it makes you ready for life. every QB in the league's got physical talent everybody's good you came in you started to become really good really quickly as soon as you got the starting role but what do you think your biggest asset was as a quarterback you know the biggest dude you're not any of that what do you think your biggest strength was just body fat percentage is so low yeah it's tight same super tight yeah so great in here athletes he's almost lifted away you could actually gain weight as a team we're like we're the perfect human yeah dude our legs are normal size and all that yeah subpar yeah i'll tell you

It, uh, keep saying that a lot. I like that. Just fire that out whenever you want. Product placement. Yes, exactly. I, uh, I think my string is really just the good Lord bless me with the ability to see and react quickly, think fast. And, um, I kind of always had that ability. You know, everyone told you that the NFL is going to be so fast.

So you get there and it's going to be so fast. And I remember going out to the first practice and everyone's flying around and everything. And I'm like, it seems like the exact same. same speed to me as it did in college. And I'm coming from Wend-D-A. And that wasn't about the speed. It was just that, you know, I could see it quickly. When people are coming up and I'd throw it before he wraps around the back or, you know, a second before somebody else did or half a second,

the problem is I throw it in the dirt behind him. So I'd miss for like a year straight. I'd be like, I can see everything. I mean, I can't complete it, but I can see it. But that's one of the few things. Like, I mean, you talked to all these guys that come into the league and they're like, the game just speeds up so much. See, that's where I always think. I'm like, whenever you find a quarterback who,

because almost everyone does that. Yeah. You know, the game is fast and it's like, it's starting to slow down for me. And I'm like, then there's that rare guy where he's like, yeah, I don't think the speed of the game was that big a deal. I think it was more. And then I'm like, uh-oh, watch out for that guy. He's his instincts.

Let me give you a little trivia question, see how quick you are in your feet. Who is your first ever NFL completion to in a real game, not preseason? Ooh, down the sideline. Sam Hurd? Wow, 33 yards. First touchdown. It was next play, Terrell Owens. First interception.

Never threw one. There you go. Short-term memory. You should have been a quarterback. Sam heard. That's a proud of being optimistic, boys. You should have been a corner. Give me one guy in the league right now, quarterback, playing quarterback that you think reminds you the most of you. I'm not into comparisons or hypotheticals.

But. I don't know. I just, I don't think there's, you know, I'm probably, I really don't sit and think about who's, I really don't sit and think about who's, who's close to me. I try and think about it toward other people. But I think the game, these players are evolving. I mean, I see a lot of, like, Brett Favreve meets, like, Tom Brady and Patrick, in Patrick Holmes.

Like, he has the ability to see and react so fast. And, but he also plays very patient and slow. And his brain's working very quickly, but it's like he's calm. You remember when Aaron Rogers would kind of stand, then just roll the right and it looked like, but I know that Patrick's brain works quick. and he could see it and he could get like but he doesn't play too fast he plays calm and slow with a brain that works quick that's that's evolving i mean that's a that's a dangerous guy right there yeah he's nasty what do you what do you miss about playing the most oh winning him like

to me competition was joy but i liked it because i wanted to go improving about like i used to have pure joy going to bed at night thinking that I got better and that the next day you're finally going to see the real version of what you always wanted to be I thought that was that gave me just a great feeling that you know I try and emulate in other areas is that like is that why you grab it yeah is that your golf has placed that now yeah I mean I no matter what I'm doing like I'm not someone who like looks back a lot and it's nostalgic about a lot of stuff you know including you know our friendships and I feel like with football, I look back, it's just, I've kind of taken that and moved it over here.

Now, obviously, you know, walking out and having 100,000 people cheering and exciting when you score a touchdown or when you win a game late, those are rare feelings right there. I feel like a lot of athletes, like once they get done playing pick golf, you obviously had a head start, you were good to begin with, and now you're taking it to the next level. But so many guys get out, they just miss the competition or working towards something every day, and that's why they go to golf. They're like, all right, I suck now, but I can get better today. and like so many guys end up gravitating towards that, especially quarterbacks.

Yeah, I think it's the puzzle aspect. It's no different than me trying to figure out the throwing motion and how to perfect that and try and get that so I could make any throw with, you know, off your back foot, sliding right, moving left, guy in your face. You can't move your body weight forward. I mean, there's a million different things you can practice. And, you know, golf is the same way. But, I mean, it stinks.

I mean, I can't stand it when you stay the same. Like, if I ever woke up like this year and was the same as last year, it would be like, ah. So, yeah, I try and it's where that joy comes from when I talk about, just trying to get better. That's cool. You hear a lot about how, like, your running backs, your quarterbacks, take care of your offensive linemen, give them cool gifts and stuff like that.

I was like hearing that. What is one of the cool things you did for your offensive lineman? Gosh. Been a few things over the years. I think my wife actually came up with the idea in one of the last years I was there. We got them like little ATVs, you know, four wheelers and stuff. So that was a little bit outside. We've done the suits, luggage we've done. I think back in the day when there was like a new iPad, it was just

starting as weird as that sounds. Yeah, I take care of them. There was something like that that you got. Yeah. And a new Mac or something like you. Yeah. And then finally I was just like, all right, here's some cash. Can't think of me. Please protect me. Here's some money. Come on. Let's be honest. Whatever you want. Whatever you want. Well, I got that took care of you in your day and one of your biggest advocates, Jerry Jones, what's your relationship like with him now that you're not playing anymore? Do you stay close? Yeah, I love the entire Jones family.

You know, they're like, that's our producer. He's coughing. He's pretty good at his job, isn't he? This is pro-shit. Yeah. Just let us know. You get that in the booth up there with Nance, I'm sure. That's out of that, I'm sure.

You should keep that in, actually. Good television, guys. Or is this radio? What are we on? I don't know. No one does. A lot of different forums. You're streaming everywhere.

Jim is going to be watching. You can't miss it, though. This is the next presidential election is going to battle you guys. It could be tough. How are we going with that? Oh, Jerry Jones. Jera. So the whole Jones family, it's like a, you know, Gene and Jerry I've been close with for so long,

but not only them, it's, you know, their kids and their, you know, kids, husbands and wives and just get to know the grandkids. It's like a second family in a lot of ways. I mean, we've all went through this all together. And they end up having more, you know, with, but, you know, when you're the quarterback, you want to win for them so bad because they care so much and they give everything they have and uh you know i don't think it's like that everywhere i mean he'll he'll spend every ounce of his money to get you know a win or a super bowl and he wants it you know for you every bit as much as he

wants it for himself and i just you know i just love that family we're we're close is one of your kids is named jones is that after you know it's a combination of both okay it is actually like so it was like we love the name and then we knew that would be construed that way and we liked it. So it's kind of like yes, but it's like we knew that that would be that way and we're like, oh, should we not do that? It's like, no, I think that's a good thing because I love them. Yeah. So I'm completely, that helped the cause if that makes sense.

You have three small boys. Obviously football is a pretty dangerous sport. Yeah. Are you all four your kids playing football? Yeah, I think me and my wife talk about all the time. I just said, I don't think they're going to play any tackle football. You know, I say this because, you know, I know they start to fall in love with anything and you want to cultivate an environment for your kids to always be able to do what they love.

And, but as far as, like, playing tackle football, I just don't think playing tackle football in fourth grade, fifth grade, third grade, you know, sixth grade. seventh grade is the first time I was like I consider maybe there but I said eighth grade would be the first time I would I've always thought because I don't see how you playing tackle makes you better as a junior in high school

now it makes you play football but you could play football and play flag football and still because it's not a craft sport it's not like tennis or golf where reps really do matter you start to learn hand technique field this is tag

I mean the lineback Packers playing tag. Yeah. Yeah, he might be a little better at tackling. But I don't think that changes. Like if you have great instincts and you can run fast, you'll learn how to get your head in front of the defender. You know, okay, wrap them up.

Let's practice that tomorrow. Okay, you're probably better. It's the same as going out in your backyard and chasing people down and seeing angles. So either you see the angles and you have speed or you don't. And the hits are just because people want to do that. And I just don't think you should take the hits until it really matters unless it was really going to make you way better so that you you you're going to you. you were a great player in high school or college or something.

I never take the hits. I've been staying away from the hits for a long time. It's one of the things I do best. It's not what Marissa says. She doesn't know. Don't talk to her. Don't ever talk to her. All right.

Let's get to where you're at right now, man. In the booth with Jimmy Nance. How did the CBS game come along? You were saying it like you hit her. Like I hit. I meant like she tells you you're taking hits every day. Like verbal blows from your life. Oh, I am.

Yeah. Well, yeah. I'm just a mute. God, this went a totally different direction. I've become numb to it. It's a different. this happened for so long. Let's do talk about the TV.

Don't ever talk about my wife on this show. Especially you. Let's talk about the TV, though. You're obviously with one of the best that's ever done it, Jim Nance. Yep. Did you ever think you would end up in the booth? No. I mean, I never thought about that until like,

probably a year before I retired, maybe it was the first time. And because, I mean, I just, I thought I would, if I didn't have a back injury, I probably still wouldn't have back then because I actually had to take years off at golf. until I figured out, you know, you know, Troy Van Bison helped me and Chris Miller over at the clinic I go to on the back. So I got to play golf again really late. And I was two, three years in without playing it all.

And that made me think like, oh, gosh, what am I going to do when I'm done? You know, we're built to work and do something. You know, most of us, not Drew, obviously. But I mean, like, that's just how I think we. That's in a little bit. Yeah. And then we end up, that made me think about that. But if I wouldn't have had a bad back.

and they would have helped me or something, I would have absolutely done that. But if I never get hurt, then I'm probably going to play golf. And I'm probably like, well, I don't want to take anything away from that. I just want to spend time with my kids and my wife and get better at golf. So the combination made it. So I love, I love announcing, I love being an analyst. I love practicing golf.

And I love hanging out with my kids and my wife. And that's kind of what I do pretty much 24-7. And me and sleaze. Yeah, that too. And Marissa. We mentioned earlier. We mentioned earlier, you won the American Century twice. Okay.

It's stable for format. Normally takes around 70 to 80 points. I asked Mark Mulder this a couple weeks ago. What do you think the average PGA tour player would score at that event? It's a great question. I've never thought about that. I don't know. He said around 110.

No, I think that would be too high. Too high? Yeah. It's an opinion. What's it normally when? 70 to 80. 70 to 80? It's not.

You get a par for a point. A point for a par is one or just two? He said it because it's 6,800 yards at altitude, short. He's like, PJA tour players gonna make a couple of eagles here and there. Yeah, I could see 30 more points. You're saying average though. You didn't say the winner.

The winner might shoot 110. No, no, no. I'm saying if you took an average PGA tour player, say someone that's like 70th in the world. Oh, I was saying like just make everyone in the field PGA tour player. Oh, okay. And I bet the average.

No, I was just, okay, what wins? That's what I was said. Yeah. 100 to 110 could win, yeah. But I don't think that would be an average score for the field. Just because you got to remember that's going to put you at something like 20 under maybe over three rounds, not four. The Eagles get five or eight points, whatever it is and stuff like that.

Yeah, but the only reason I'd say is because the putting out there, like on Poana, Charles Barkley's walking on this green. Yeah, it's tough. It's a real thing. It's tough to hold puff. Oh, Charles. I mean, you have all these big people. Erlacker stomping around.

You try putting after Erlacker walks. And people just don't understand. You can physically see it still coming up after these guys come by. And I'm like, we got to wait this one out here. Barkley just got done. You get in a Barkley divit. It's a four-footer and this footprint's still rising back to the top of the surface. Who are the guys up there in Tahoe when you go up there that you like to hang out?

I know you're in there. You're grind mode. You're trying to win the thing. But who are the dudes that you like to hang out with off the course when you're up there? I mean, it changes over the year. I mean, because like when he first started, it was, you know, different guys then. It's like the years ago. I mean, it's been a good decade now it feels like.

Now, you know, I hang out with, well, nobody this year because of the virus. But, you know, it's anybody. Like, everyone's kind of around. You kind of see everybody. Sean Payton's there. Hang out with Sean. You know, it's, I can go through 50 guys that you're like, hey, and you stop and you hang out. And you Steve Young, I always see.

You see everyone on the ranch, Charles there. You know, Jordan back in the day. Was it Sean Payton? one of the big reasons you came to Dallas in the first place when he was when he was there he he really liked you out of out of the combine right yeah he um he liked me but i mean like smart guy like is a very relative term he get they gave me 10,000 dollars to be a free agent so i'm like is that liking me i'm like if you really like me you could draft me i want it's always like we loved him i'm like i want him to be the coach here so bad god i want him to be the head coach so bad i love

that guy. All right, well, we know you're a busy man, so we're going to get into this E9. Perfect. I'm out of here. Thanks guys. No, we're not done. You have nine more questions answer. Oh, boy. We didn't name this after your number. This is what it's actually called, okay? Right. All right. Emergency night. First question, we asked us to everybody. Movie about the life of Tony Romo, who plays you. Any actor? Robert Redford, Roy Hobbs from the natural. I mean, think about it. Think about it for a second. I just, $8 million. That was the answer. I blacked out. What I said? Did you? You're the first guy that has been like, wow, I've never thought about that.

Tony has the exact actor from the movie. God, I thought I was giving you a nice compliment. I said Jake Gyllenhaal. I don't know why. That's what came to mind. Jake Jillenhall? Yeah. What do you think about that?

I got the coach. You were saying for you? No, not for me. This isn't about me. This is about you. I was just thinking how I can be nice, but. Obviously, someone extremely handsome and charming would be playing. Cool.

Robert Redford, guys. That's the natural. All right. Natty. All right, next question. This is a weird one. I don't know why my brain's weird. By the way,

I wrote this late at night. There you go. What do you say? Roy Hobbs number nine. Yeah, number nine. Weird coincidence. All right, if you had to enter into the Coliseum, fight to the death, two-man fight, you get one of your teammates on your team to go to battle with.

Who do you want? Jim Nance. I think y'all would get body pretty quick. I don't think Jim's much of a scrapper. No, you're missing the whole point here. He's going to talk us out. Yeah, he's going to talk about it. That's what I was going to say.

We went into a civil conclusion here. We're going to go ahead and people are going to get out there and be like, man, I just want to sit and listen to him talking. I'm going to sneak out the back door because you cannot take your eyes off him when he's talking. And you know what? Play a little master's music behind it. Maybe, yeah.

Put him asleep. I like it. Sneak out. All right. That was a weird answer. I didn't expect that. Good. Yep.

You played a few PJ tour events. I don't think you're probably done with those. At the end of the day, Tony Romo's best finish on the PJ tour is? Previously? No. No. And when you're done playing golf,

your best finish on the PJ tour will be. I only have one goal in golf. Like, win four majors in one season. Jesus. The side thing is, I actually think you believe this. Yeah, this is not a joke. This is not a joke. This is like, look, anything short of that sucks.

If I don't win the Grand Slam. I'd be disappointed. Maybe start with making one cut. The Tiger Slam would be like one of those moments where it would be there. But, you know. Which major best suits your game right now? Where are you going to get your first major? Usually,

the master's usually suited my game. The way you put it? You know, just a lot of the... I didn't see you do... Undulation change. I didn't have wing foot... Having to shape your shot.

That you would thrive, being honest. Flag positions, it suits me. Okay, I adjust it. Next question. All right. This is very fun. This one seems weird now. All right, what's the one defensive player

you're most scared of during your career? Well, scared of is... There's almost two forms to that. I feel like, one is who you're like, man, this guy could hurt you. And that's usually a defensive line in some big de-tackle, like the D-Tacalman Sue. Aaron Donald. Can just whip you around, you know.

Then there's the scared of how he can win the game by himself and hurt your game plan. You've got to count for him, you know. Troy Palomalu moving around everywhere. Ed Reed. I mean, those guys are scary a different way where it's like there's an interception waiting to happen if you don't like look off or if you can't find him. He's reading you and he's trying to hide. Like Ed Reed would hide behind refs. So you're looking and you don't feel a free safety. He's moved somewhere else and all of a sudden you throw it and you're like, what? I mean, it's stuff like

that's crafty. It's very crafty. I like that. All right. Well, you've obviously been a celebrity for a very long time. Slee's got his first taste the other day at the airport when a gentleman noticed us. Oh yeah. We got to recognize at the airport. We're just in there talking. No big up to us. You know, noise. You're about to get a little, you're going to ride on this wake a little bit too you might get a little tell me this i like i like that though but let's be honest that was his dad actually gave the kid 50 bucks he took the video so you couldn't see the front part you like our show look at this guy he's he was talking to me it's like why didn't you turn it around pops get on here he's coming all right well that's not the question but the question is what's your

biggest pet peeve when you go out in public that people do i don't really have a pet peeve most people are really genuine and nice and i i honestly think most vads i used to worry like at after, you know, a game or something, I'd be like, if I played poorly, then I was like, I don't wanna see anybody. I feel like I let everyone down and I just destroyed their day and week and everyone's gonna look at me and hate me and stuff.

And one time I had to go somewhere and people were like, you know, good game, keep your head up, blah blah, blah, and good luck next week, we always root for you. And everyone's so nice and I'm like, and people are nicer. They're all nice to your face. Yeah, the internet's less friendly.

Yeah, but that doesn't matter. It's like what, like who cares what people put on the internet It's like, it is nice though. If people are nice to you, it's like, okay. And you're so nice than that. You're so accommodating to everyone, like the pictures and stuff. I feel like I've never seen you say no, really. Yeah, I mean, I feel like just, you know, I got lucky to be in a position where I am.

It's not like you're owed anything in this life. It's you're, I'm fortunate. You know, I'm one of the blessed ones for sure times 10,000. No one deserves that kind of luck. You're absolutely right. You do not deserve it. All right. Next question.

Do you think Mark Cuban should lose his job for not? not getting you any playing time during your one day career with the Dallas Mavericks. I think it probably helped because if I would have went in that game, there's a good chance, you know. Triple double. It would have been, it would have been terse to whether or not they sign it because then the rest of the league would have seen it. Right.

You probably don't ever get Luka. Yeah. And then the Luka, it's a trickle down effect. And you're only going to get me for that four-year run. It's probably not worth it comparative to, you know. See, that was kind of one of my questions. Like, if Rick Carlisle did put you in the game,

you could have possibly gone down as one of the greatest two sport athletes of all time with Bo Jackson and Dionne Sanders, right? Oh, man, what could have been? I mean, that's true. I mean, we wouldn't have had Luca if you would have played. That would have been bad. Yeah, that's good foresight on here. We might have gotten a championship in there somewhere.

I can't predict the future for the past. Real question, if you got 20 minutes in that game, give me your stat line. Oh, God. Yeah, I just want to hear it. This one I feel. 20 minutes. This one's a little more real. Zero one and zero.

What's the one? Passed it to Dirk on the corner when they took the ball from me and I dove on the floor accidentally when threw it to him. That's not what I was expecting. I thought we were going to triple double or something. All right. All right. Whose shoes were easier to fill?

Drew Bledsoe or Phil Sims? Whose shoes were easier to fill? They filled both of them. You did feel both of them. Yeah, I would say, I mean, the question. The question really is, what's harder? I think talking for me, it's just football is so, you know, it feels like your whole life is on the line each week.

And so whenever you have, when I came in after Drew, I mean, it wasn't like I was, okay, here's our guy for the next whatever year's. It's like, I might have a game or two. And in one half, I pretty much threw the ball to everybody on both teams. You know, when I came in on Monday Night Football, I threw for like 200. And 150 yards and a half. Back then, that's like 400 yards now, I feel like. But that's 250 yards, and I threw two touchdowns and three picks.

I actually think I threw like four touchdowns because two of them might have gone the other way. But I mean, it was so everything in one half. And I was like, and they had to make a decision to go with me or not for the next week. And it was tough. They had a vote, you know, for the coaches. And, you know, I won by one vote, I think. And I started the next week. and that's where I won on the road against Carolina,

and that's kind of my opportunity. So you get that and then you go. Whereas in broadcasting, I knew I had at least a year or two, you know, as if you were like a first or second round pick kind of thing that you had time. So, you know, they're both. I enjoy both, obviously, but they're a little different. Makes you know you get hit in the booth.

Yeah, Monday's a better. Let you say something stupid, Nancy slap you. Body feels better on Monday. Yeah, good point. All right, next question. Who's more to blame for us not getting to the USGA four ball? Drew Stokes. I disagree.

I've talked to you both about this, and this one's great. You both blame each other. I'm out there looking for a leader. He's supposed to be a leader. There's no leadership at all. He's off on his own, looking for his ball. I mean, no leadership. We're talking to the greatest, like, mini tour player ever.

You know, tin cup over here. In his mind. Facts. No, that, I mean, that's what he told me. Yeah. And then I went and played in the four ball with him, and that guy was gone. I didn't even get to have a conversation with the guy until the 13th hole. He's off of their wandering and shit.

Let's set the record straight right now. You two play ten times head to head. What's the record? If we're being honest back in the day, he'd win all of them. No, right now, present day. I'd suck. I'd win nine out of ten now. Wow.

We get son of that. We got to get this. This is like, I'm like Master's Splinter. He's like Michael. I've like taught him the way, you know what I mean? I'm trying to help this guy. You know what I mean?

I feel pride when I see him. It's a true. I'm like, I did that. That's mostly me. I'm the Mona Lisa. Anytime you see him play well in golf, you know, he came from Sleith. Perfect.

Well, Tony, this has been an absolute blast, man. And we really appreciate your time, too. Thanks for Jay. You don't need to iron your shirt next time, dude. We're a casual show, bro. Well, Sleece, that was Tony Romo. I have to admit, I really enjoyed it when he was taking jabs at you throughout the whole show. Throughout the entire thing, yeah.

We absolutely, we go way back. He and I, we played a bunch of golf tournaments together, and it was fun just to have him on. He was flying out, like, in a couple hours to go through his broadcasting duties out there. But, man, he was a blast, looked standard Tony appearance with the wrinkled shirt. I'm like, dude, you're making a million a game. Go buy yourself a shirt. buy a new one, wear a new one every day. You'll never, you'll never have a problem, but arguably the worst dressed human being in the history of life, but it was fun talking to him. And

dude, we weren't joking. We were talking about his golf game. Like, Kevin Kisser says, this ain't a hobby. Well, it's definitely a hobby for Tony, but he doesn't treat it like that, man. That dude gets out there and he plays and practices as much as any tour that I know. More. I mean, it's hilarious. I was really excited to see what he would say when I was like, you know, at the end of your golfing day, what will be your best finish on the BJ Tour? And he's well, I set up to win four majors a year. Yeah. I'm like, you never even played in one.

He said it a little bit in Jess, but you know, there's like some truth. Like he thinks everything. Like if he commits himself to it, he's like, I could do like literally anything in the world. It's hard to knock the dude, a very guy that came out of, you know, Eastern Illinois and made his way as the starting quarterback for the Dallas Cowboys. It's hard to knock the dude. He has a very strong mental game. There's no doubt about that.

He believes in himself a lot and he's a hell of a player and he's a hell of a broadcaster. It was a pleasure to sit down and talk with him. But, so ladies, I'm really mad at myself. I forgot one question. that I wanted to bring up that you've told me the story. You're staying at his house. You might have gotten a little banged up one night. You're drinking some red wine.

As you probably know, Tony's got nice things. Yeah, there's not a lot of cheap shit in the house to tell you that. So I hear you're sitting in the living room. He's got this nice, big, fancy white rug, right? Oh, dude. And red wine and the white rug don't go well together, and you're kind of slipped out of your hand one night. Yep, let me let me.

I can't believe we whipped on. Let me set the table on that because he would have some good perspective on that, too. We'd gone out to dinner. We'd had a big day on the golf course, go out, have a few more. You know how we do. Occasionally, Sleeze has a couple too many pops. All right. It's one of my weaknesses, all right?

Anyways, we go back to the house. We're going to finish it off with a little bottle of wine. His wife comes over. We're sitting on the couch watching movie or football or whatever. We're sitting on the couch. And like you said, there ain't nothing cheap in this house going on. So this rug is about the size of my house. That's how big the rug is.

And it's like, dude, I don't even know what material is. It's like chinchilla from Nepal. I mean, dude, who knows how many animals had to die to get this rug. Not saying he killed animals. Maybe it's fake. But it's an expensive rug. I don't want to get anybody in trouble. It's a very, very nice rug to have in your house.

So we're sitting there, we're chopping it up, pouring some wine, blah, blah, blah. We're talking. There's a little table in front of me, right, that I'm just setting my glass on, drinking it, setting it back down. Well, these tables, which the lights were on, and I forgot about, are shaped kind of like Pinehurst greens. They slope off. They're like turtle shells, right? So they're flat on top, and then they curve off. So I'm sitting there, laugh, we're having a good time.

I take a drink of my wine, set it down on, like, apparently the edge of the table. This thing just starts sliding, slide and slide and slam. And bam, collapse. Dude, I can visualize it in my brain. I'm like, no. It spills. Hits the ground. The glass breaks somehow on the softest rug in the world.

Wine goes everywhere. It looks like a fucking murder scene just happening there. I mean, and dude, my heart stopped. I was like, oh, my. How much were you sweating? Oh, dude, I was like, I don't know what this rug is got, but I can't. I can't. Like, I'll replace it.

I'll, like, no, I can't. I'd have to sell my house to replace that rug. So, dude. And, like, they were super like, oh, don't worry about it. Well, we'll get some. We dabbed it. We did all this stuff. well tomorrow the next day we leave go play golf come back there's an entire like carpet cleaning

crew there like with you know the diesel vacuum's trying to get this thing out long story short they can't get it out next time i come back to the house like call it a handful of months later i look and the stain's gone i'm like oh great like you guys got it out how'd you do that night no dude apparently that cannot come out we tried everything so we had to rea we had to get people in here to move the rug and rearrange the furniture so now it's like underneath they moved it so like now it's a chair is on top of it or something god i wish i would ask you Dude, it was one of the worst. I was like, oh my God, I just ruined this rug.

God, I would work the rest of my life and maybe not pay off this rug. I love it. Disaster. Well, he was a blast to sit down and talk to. Can't thank him enough for doing that. But next week, another fantastic episode. A little tequila sipping with our guy, Abe Ancer. Yes, we get the whole rundown on Fletcha Azul, his tequila company.

He's in studio with his partner. They talk about how they started it, how they met. We went through the whole nine. We partake in a little bit of the tequila having as well. And then we sit down with Abe for like a sit down like all the rest of our interviews. But great interview. The train keeps rolling. These have been some really, really great interviews we had lately.

It's been a lot of fun. We appreciate y'all watching. That's going to do it for us this week. We'll talk to you on next week's golf subpar.