Subpar - Trey Wingo reveals how a lunch with Tiger Woods led to a run-in with Michael Jordan, his major mistake talking John Daly

Episode Date: October 14, 2025

On this week's episode of GOLF's Subpar, Colt Knost and Drew Stoltz are joined by longtime broadcaster Trey Wingo for an exclusive interview. The former SportsCenter host reveals the massive mistake he made attempting to honor John Daly on-air, why the 1991 Ryder Cup sparked his love for golf and how a chance lunch with Tiger Woods led to a literal run-in with Michael Jordan.--Bet with Fanatics Sportsbook and earn up to 10% FanCash back, win or lose. Millions are being given away this year, and you can use your FanCash across the entire Fanatics Universe. Download the app today. Fanatics Sportsbook. Winning hits different here.⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://joinfanatics.com/subpar⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Must be 21+. GAMBLING PROBLEM? Call 1-800-GAMBLER, CT call [phone], MA call (800)-327-5050, NY call (877) 8-HOPENY, MD visit ⁠⁠mdgamblinghelp.org⁠⁠  Not available in all states. Terms apply. See Fanatics Sportsbook app.--Thanks to our official sponsor Zone Nicotine. Warning: This product contains nicotine.  Nicotine is an additive chemical.  Underage sale prohibited.  Introducing Zone Nicotine Pouches - the perfect balance of unparalleled comfort - longer-lasting flavor - and nicotine that satisfies.  Whether you’re zoning in for an important putt or zoning out after a tough day at work, Zone gets you there faster and keeps you there longer.  Available in seven flavors and in six and nine milligram strengths.  Want zone pouches at a discount and mailed right to your door? Head to⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Nicokick.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and enter code “SubPar20” at checkout for an additional 20% off.--Choose your style, pick your favorite Birdie Juice logo and shop from a line-up of top tier brands at ⁠https://shop.golf.com/pages/storefront/golfsp⁠ today!

So we're doing the first or second, a first round of the players championship at Sawgrass in 1998. And the year before Daly had gone just nuts, John Daly had, you know, gotten drunk, missed his tea time, torn up his condo where he was staying. So it was his first attempt to try and get sober, you know, try and try and clean up his life. So it was teeing off, you know, a year after the fact, right, of his low point. And right before he teed off, AA gave him that coin, you know, the coin you get sick. signifies how long you've been sober. And I think it was like four months or it was a decent chunk of time, right? So I'm writing this lead in thinking,

this is going to be the greatest thing in the world. You know, I'm going to win a Peabody Award for this. And the words are just flowing like honey out of my lips under the typewriter. And so I wrote the sentence right before he teed off, John Daly received his coin signifying six months, whatever, of alcohol-free living. Right? So which is the dumbest way to say it, right?

That's just clumsy. You should have just said six months of being sober or, you know, being straight, whatever, you know. But I wrote it signifying six months of alcohol free living. And I swear to God, as I'm reading it on camera, I don't know why it came out of my mouth. He received a coin signifying six months of free alcohol. Oh, my God. The hell of a coin. Where did he get this coin?

I was about saying those coins would be really expensive. Yeah. And I could feel the blood rushing out of my face as we were. went to the highlights. And after the commercial break, I'm like this. And the coordinating producer, it's the CP is what his name was. He's in charge of everything. He goes, Trey, we're going to need to fix that lead

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Not. I've yet to get hot. I'm just kind of lurking right now. Our parlay didn't win. By the way, it should be noted when we took ASU. We did not know that Sam Levitt would be out. It's not fair. For the game.

It still wouldn't have won. Because I took the Oregon Ducks over Indiana. I owe the great people of Indiana University and apologize. I was not familiar with their game. That team is good. Yeah. It's unreal what he's done.

It's like that he's done in two years, basically, with that thing. They went from dumpster fire of a Power 4 football program, basketball school, to that at Oregon, handled them. That seems nasty. Dominated. That was a bad bet by me. Our other one was Bama against Missouri. They pushed. Bama was favored by three.

They won by three. So we almost had it. Yeah. It was a nice look in Missouri, by the way, with the whole end of the stadium. Yeah, they got a little redo going on. Vanderbilt's got the same. C.C. He's getting bigger.

We're doing all this money. The arms race. It must be really good at gambling. Yeah, they win some parlays. We'll get back on track this week. We will. Someone else got back on track this week. Zander Shafley,

picking up his first win of the season. Obviously the slow start this year with the injury, dealing with all of that. But good to see him back and for him. Beat Max Grazerman by a shot, his 10th win of his career. But I would say much needed. We've had Zander on our serious XM show

several times throughout the year. You could tell, like, he's just frustrated. Like, he wasn't performing, wasn't contending. And it's just not the normal Zander Schaftley. Obviously, he played really well at the Ryder Cup, went three and one. But the team lost. So that's all that really matters.

But I congrats to Zander on another win. I think it was just slower sledding for him, getting back into, like, the former. You're coming off the best year of your career. You kind of set the bar and then to have to take a knee for a while with the rib injury, come back. You know it's going to be slow. I just think it was a little slower than he would have liked.

But you look at his year, played 16 events, made 16 cuts granted he doesn't miss cuts some don't have cuts i got it but like it wasn't an awful year and then towards the end you started seeing some top tens and things like that and now to pick up a win like uh and all honestly like for most people that's pretty damn good year make the rider cup team you know uh he's just put himself into a different category but um good for him to close that thing out and Max Graysterman like he may be he may be coming like he's what is that his third runner up that he's had fifth excuse me five runner up he's been close he's kind of like a I want to say exact same talent level but similar like like kind of a Cam Young like there's a lot of good he's

a lot of good there we've had him on here he's he's a different character obviously goes about things a little different way but he's freaking good man he smashes it he puts it great um how about the shot on 18 like listen I love my man Craig Perks he's fantastic he's great and being on the ground sometimes when you predict a shot you take a little bit of a risk because you're not totally sure did you happen to see the shot in action pooped it yeah but did you see uh Craig Perks he's like oh he's lost this one right but he's got to be proud of the fight he put up this week and then it landed and it starts breaking towards the hole and stopped inside a foot yeah it was like six inches and going in to tie yeah

but that stuff happens but um it was a hell of a shot from max grazierman obviously zander's got to be like okay really dude I was really looking forward to just maybe three puts from 30 feet to I had to cozy it down there, but the end of the day, he got the job done over in Japan, which an event that means a lot to him, you know, with his background, his grandma and grandpa were there to watch his 81-year-old grandma walked every single hole on Sunday. Shabbard to her, by the way, at 81. Yeah. I have a tough time getting around.

I'm only 41, but I am a man. You are a man. Mm-hmm. I'm a newly man. Corn Ferry Tour Tour championship. 20 million cards. Less drama this year, though, which sucks. I mean, we shrink the cards, of course.

The higher up the list you go, the bigger the spread. they're going to be. Wasn't as cutthroat, I felt like, as in years past. Normally there's guys like, this guy makes a bogey, this guy moves in, he makes a birdie. You know, I feel like we didn't really have that this year. Yeah, no one moved in from outside of the top 20. There's some couple guys hanging on for Dear Life. There was two guys in the final group.

If they won, they were getting their PGA tour card, put up a fight, but just didn't get the job done. But big shout out to Johnny Kiefer, who finishes first on the points list. He gets a spot in the U.S. Open. the players championship. This kid's a stud, man. I haven't actually got to see him play in person yet. He went to Baylor,

but we just had Ryan French from Monday Q Info, who knows the backstory of all these corned ferry tour guys. And he said he's never heard other players talk about a player the way they do Johnny Kiefer. That says a lot. So I'm very excited to see him out there on the PGA tour next year. Just nine top tens.

He's 51st in the world. Yeah, he could play his way into the Masters and having not played on the PGA tour. There's only a few events left. to earn some points before the end of the year. But if he gets a sponsor exemption or two and goes out there and has a nice, solid finish, it could be done.

I mean, it can be done. Easily. Yeah, it varies. I mean, it reminds me of Michael Sim, you know, probably a decade ago who played his way. God, he was good. Oh, nice is golf swing. He was so perfect. Oh, it's beautiful.

Won all the time, made everything. I always joked with him all the time. I would try to warm up next to him. Yeah. Because watching his rhythm, I felt like it helped me. I'd be like, oh, just do that. It looked like he wouldn't even trying. Typical Australian, beautiful action.

Way, putted it, too. God, he was a beast. But yeah, if I was Johnny Kiefer's agent, I'd be on the phone with every tournament tournament chair going forward, ask for an invite. And if not, I'd be like, you need to be Monday qualifying. The way he's playing right now, easily going there and have a good week. Jump in the top 50, changes everything. Oh, big time.

Yeah. But congrats to all 20. And also Neil Shipley. Making his way out after near miss, you know, last year, when he finished fourth or third on the money list, on the points list. He look out for him, too. He's not afraid of the stage. No, he's a stud, man.

had a chance for a three-win promotion, ended up losing by three this past week in French lick. That's right. And the lick. Home of the lick. Yeah. Larry Bird. Larry Legend,

stand up. But I'm excited to see him out there as well. He's had some good success, I would say, in PJ Tour events when he's gotten out there. Yeah. I expect him to be, and he's got a personality, man.

I'm excited. But all 20 guys. In between his shots when he's waiting. Then he does something weird in his like yardage book. Like Ricky Barnes? Or like math or something like that. Yeah. I think it's a man.

Barnes does the crosswords. Yeah. Crossword puzzles. He does it all. Yeah. If he can hang on to this rookie year, we've talked about it before, like with the way the PJs were shrinking, how far behind the eight ball these rookies are, even before they tee it up.

It's hard to grind out a card out there, top 100 first time. But if he does it, look out for him. I think he'll be out there a long time. They got a chance. All 20 of them have a chance. Go out there and change their career path, change their world financially. Also want to give a little love to Alastredi, who, You know, we got our good buddy who you play the member guests at Cal Club with we call Bubbles.

Yeah. I think we might have changed Alastrodoccurty's nickname to Bubbles. I mean, nobody is on the bubble more than this guy, whether it's to get a PGA tour card during the Corn Fairy Tour season, as we saw last year, where he got knocked out because two pts were made on 18. And then he goes out and he misses by a shot at Q school to get his PGA tour card. This week, all the focus was on the top 20, but 21 through 50 gets you exempt into final stage. don't have to go through second, and you have a chance to get a PGA tour card there. I finish the top five.

He finished number 50. So he's got a chance. So Docherty, let's get off that bubble, my man. Yeah, it's the first one that's shaking out his way. At least 51 would have been, I would have been like, God, damn. How do you ever come back from that?

It gets a chance now at finals. But, dude, that's just the way it is. Like, I was going through the list, too. Like, our boy, Kevin Doherty, like finishes 35th. Another great year up there. I mean, how many times is he been close? You know, it's just a tour now. especially stringing it to 20.

It's just so hard. You can play really good golf and not get off of that tour. So I don't know. I'd like to see them change it where the rookies have a better chance to keep their card on the PGA tour. Just because it's so, like I said, it's so hard to get off that tour. They're all can make it on tour. They've just got to have a level playing field. It's supposed to be tough at the toughest level.

I obviously agree with you. There should be some changes made. But hey, these guys get out there. They can go win a regular event. They can win an opposite field event. You never know. what could happen. Look what just happened down in Jackson, Mississippi. I mean, changed his career. He's a PJ Tour winner now. Those things happen. But exciting, another exciting season on the

Corn Ferry Tour. And they're done for a little while. Yeah, a little breather right now. And if it doesn't work out on that, you just get your amateur status reinstated because we had Brandon Holtz on last week. And what a shitstorm the whole conversation about if you turn broke and you play in amateur events after the fact, after you sit out and people are not seeing eye to eye on this little debate. I thought people were angry like with the whole live and PGA tour debate. I didn't think much could get them as fired up about

something like they did that. But my God, I mean, we talked about this. We were covering the midam during our serious XM show. Talking about how 14 of the 16 were former pros that were left over there. Then Brandon Holtz comes on. He obviously wins the thing. Was a pro for a minute. Didn't

play in anything. I don't understand why anyone would say he didn't deserve to be an amateur or have a chance to win the midam. That's just ridiculous. But yeah, they get fired up about this topic. Yeah, and mini tour golf too, by the way, there's a man who played a lot of it. It's gambling. It's gambling with your friend. You're pro, but also golf's the only sport where you can just wake up one day and be like, I'm pro. You don't get drafted. There's none of that. You can't just wake up and say, I'm a pro football player. I'm a pro basketball player. Yeah? What team you play for? Nobody.

When in golf, you can do it. So it's all, like, it makes it such a blurry line. But I don't think going and playing mini tour events, gambling for your own money. It's basically part of the year. Like, he was still working another job. you know, to subsidize this, is that big of advantage over somebody just state amateur and just plays a bunch of amateur events throughout the year? Like, it's still competitive golf. There are levels, though. There are levels to it.

And that's why the P.G. That's why USGA has reinstatement periods. Yeah, there's a system. By the way, you mentioned people just, you can't just say, I am a professional football player or whatever. I beg to differ. I've seen plenty of fellas down at the bars that died telling, telling ladies, I'm a professional football player, professional golfer.

Blue my knee out. A lot of Navy SEALs too. A lot of Navy SEALs running around. There's a little thing called Google, which kind of tells the truth. Yeah. What did you say your name was? Yeah. Oh, that's scrubbed.

You've done nothing. Well, before we continue this talk about the mid-em, do we need to get zoned in here? No, this is why I wanted to bring it up. It's a beautiful lead in to our zoned-in moment of the week, which is what, Colt? Well, Slaid, it's official. I have applied to get my amateur status back. And this all happened on the couch on a beautiful, it was a Wednesday or Thursday night of last week

when all this hate towards this subject was going on on our social media, whether it'd be on subpar, on my social media, whatever. And I was like, you know what? I talked to Scott Langley, the USGA a few weeks ago. He actually sent me the little link to apply for my amateur status back. I said, now sounds like a good time. So I went on there, filled it out,

asked you know how many tournaments you played, what tour, how much money you made, all this. Filmed out, had to put down a couple references. I put down Chris Damon as one. Don't know if he knows that yet. But if the USDA calls, you know, just tell them the truth. And my other one was you, Sleece. Call me.

Got a lot to say. No, you know the number. Give me a call. 15, 20 years feels right. Yep, paid my 200 bucks. So I'm waiting. That's all it takes. It says you'll hear a response within 10 business days.

So it could happen at any moment. Hopefully on next week's show. I can tell you, but I've already set my sights because I'm zoning in because I'm not saying I'm going to win. but I just think it would be just some great conversation. If I could make my way into the midam, possibly, you know, let me look at the list here, Silesa, because I got the future sites pulled up. So you're a, you're a USDA qualifier type of AMER.

It's just one of it. Oh, you're going to qualify for the midam? It's just one of it. Okay. And it's solely because of all the complaining. Okay. I haven't played a tournament since the Phoenix Open in 2020. My game isn't shit compared to what it used to be.

I'll be totally honest. But just looking at these future sites, I doubt I'll be able to tee it up next year, even though I have set out five and a half years already. But 2026, the midams in Wisconsin, in a place called Sand Valley Resort, which is supposed to be phenomenal. And then Jupiter Hills, 27, home of Ian Baker Finch.

Probably get him on the back. If I happened to be down there. Country Club of Charleston in 2028. And I like this little stretch of 29 and 30. We got the golf club of Tennessee right outside of Nashville there. Beautiful joint. 2030 Bel Air Country Club.

What's better than that? 45 years old? Sounds kind of... What's better than that? So you are going to be... you're going to try to qualify for the mid-am. That's it? Any other stuff? That's the only one I plan on doing.

If I get and when I get my amateur status back, I would like to just because I think that's funny and it comes up with great content for us and great conversation. But honestly, like, I'm being dead serious. Like, I would really like to be a Walker Cup captain one day. I have a pretty good USGA record, played on the Walker Cup team,

and it would mean a lot to me to be a captain of one of those teams. And I would have to think they would like you to be an amateur. How long do you think? Right now you have to guess. when will you be yes you can go fire I think they'll make me total seven years so I got a year and a little

another year and a half so that would make your first one mid-am year eligible for would that be Charleston I could if that's the case I would be able to qualify for the 2027 that's the case whenever you become eligible if you try to qualify I'm going to try to qualify okay I've not done the mid-am qualifier

probably should honestly I don't really care until now if you play got a little first round matchup could you imagine might want to save it to the finals. I would dog walk you. You had your chance at Olympic. Yeah,

20 years ago, you know, things changed. What I'm more thinking is, our good friend Scott Harrington, who also pretty much is giving it up, should get his back, and then him and I team up in the four ball.

This is good. That would be... And then we don't have to spend every year talking about you and Kitty. Come on. Get a partner. Play that four ball. Don't just start.

You're going to get Harrington? Get your am status back. He's got a while to wait. I mean, we're going to be waiting a while. Oh, please. His time's up. We'll be waiting a while.

while. He just played last year. I feel like his time's up. It's been out for 200 days. I feel like that's long enough. Yeah, get somebody else then. Thomas Sulo. Hey, go get him. Bring it.

That's my Bridges Cup partner. Yeah. Yeah. He knows what it's like to go on a foreign terrain. I'm going to get their hearts. I'm going to get dialed. I'll put a little more effort into my game. But a lot of these things, like, I can't play anyway because of CBS schedule, I mean,

from April through August, I don't really have a chance to play much. We have U.S. Openoff. and Open Championship off. Other than that. How do you feel like this will be received by the people that chimed in on our last conversation? I could say my favorite color is blue and that's not received very well. You're a fucking idiot. Exactly.

So it doesn't, yeah, it's going to be terrible. There'll be some guys that, like, hey, that's awesome. You're going to try to play a few more times now. And there's going to be so many haters out there. Oh, yeah. I'm here for it. I'm ready. Tons.

It's going to be a beautiful thing. And I can't respond to them, which is unfortunate. Welcome back. We'll see what happens. Welcome back soon. Yeah. And also I can now play in these pro scratches as the scratch. Those are the most fun.

Forget all the tournaments. Like those, there's a few of them that are the right ones. Those are the best. That's what I just want to do. I don't want to be the pro. We're just donating if I'm a pro. I kind of have enjoyed it though, honestly.

Jesus. It's been nice. Yeah. It's been nice. All right. Well, hey, good luck. Thanks. Good luck.

I'll be zoning in. I can't wait for the USDA to call me. Oh, how long do you guys got? Let me go bullet point one. Uh-huh. I might have to call him actually and take you off. Put Mark on. Put me on, dude.

I'm as honest as they come. I'll shoot you straight. Well, it's going to be a lot of fun. Hopefully it happens sooner than later. We'll see. It's up. It's in the USGA's hands. All right, before we get to our interview here, Sleece,

let's try to rebound from last week. Make sure you download the Fanatic Sports Book app. Follow along. You know, it didn't go great last week. By the way, Alex Noren was right there. And I don't know what the hell happened on the weekend. He was in like third place going to the weekend. And let me down.

Eric Cole. Alex Smalley, where were you the week before? By the way, Alex Smalley, I picked it Mississippi, finished almost dead last, finished like top six Japan. Cole got jet lag, didn't figure it out until round four. A little too late at that point. All right. I didn't have the best gambling show in last week.

Well, it's a new week. No golf this week, so we're going to give you a three-team college parlay, and then our favorite NFL pick of the week. Let's start with the NFL, so it's only one. Okay. And I got a squad that's riding high right now. two rookies that people are very high on. Fun to watch up there in the big city, New York,

the big Apple. And they're heading to Denver. Come on. To the mile high. What's their stadium called? My high city. What's the Mahal City? Invesco field?

No, it changed. It used to be in Vesco. I don't know. Whatever it's called. They're heading to the Mile High Stadium. Okay. And they're riding high. Like I said, Denver is a very good football team.

Just greased one out against the Jets. It was absolutely gross. London games. It was over in London. It doesn't count. But most of their games have been extremely. extremely close. Would you agree with that? Yeah, we've had some closest.

Well, Jackson Dart, riding high right now. I like this kid a lot, even though he is in the NFC East. In Skadaboo, the Arizona State legend is just a maniac. Love watching to play. They're catching seven at Denver. So give me the Giants this weekend. It's a lot of points. They're good.

Also, Denver's defense, good. Denver's defense. Three games with no touchdowns. Yeah. They had eight sacks last week. They're on track for the most ever. Also minus 10 total passing yards for the Jets. Not good.

That's a tough one. But it was still barely won. Stop playing games in London. That's the moral of the story. Don't grow the game. Yeah. Exactly. What do we need football to be bigger?

Dude, it's big enough. Keep it over. It's American football. If you want to come see us play, get on a plane, bring your ass over here, go to one of our stadium. Stop shipping them over there, especially West Coast team like Denver. All right. I'm going with a team also running hot right now. This feels a little stinky.

All my picks feel a little stinky right here. Okay. Good news. Patriots. They're looking good. Drake May looks like he's got it figured out. He's spinning it. They're going against the Titans who don't look like they haven't figured out, by the way.

Just fired the coach. This morning. So they're in a little bit of flux right now. But it's minus seven. I hate betting NFL games where it's a touchdown. Like if you have the favorite of a touchdown or more, just feels wrong to do. But that's the one I'm going to go with. Pats of the Titans minus seven.

A little concerning. I'm always nervous after teams fire a coach. I feel like they get all five. You're fired up. Yeah, you're fired up. The interim coach gets to, you know, celebrate out there and be the man for a week. And they always go out there and play good. They should hire Jerry Newheisel.

Because UCLA may win the Natty now. He's got to go somewhere where the locks can always flow. Like, he's in the place. Yeah, he is right now. He's there right now. I just feel like you can't, and it might be a little too human in Nashville. Start with standing up. Yeah, I've got to put a little spray or something in it.

He got electrocuted. I mean, that mop is. It's nice. That's next level. All right. Let's go over to the college world where we're going to give you a few. picks and we're going to parlay three of them. Last week we tied one.

We lost two. We got screwed on Arizona State. Yeah, Arizona doesn't count. It's not really fair. Mine, I'm going to go, LSU, who a lot of people consider the start of the year, one of the best teams in the country. A lot of teams that were considered the best, really weren't the best so far this season. But they're heading to Vandy, which all of a sudden is turned into a tough place to play.

They love them, some Commodores over there in Nashville. But LSU catching two and a half on the road. LSU is a better football team. Overall, let's be honest. So I expect them to go in there and get the dub, and they should cover the two and a half. Do you ever think you've lived to see today where Vandy's favorite over LSU?

I mean, Nick Saban, the greatest coach of all time said every place in the SEC is tough to play except Vanderbilt. Different. They're not lacking confidence there in Nashville. Their stadium is getting bigger. Nashville either. All right, LSU on your side. This one's in honor of our producer, Mark, here.

I'm going to take the rambling wreck of Georgia Tech. This, I'm excited by the one felt stinky. This feels like the stinkiest of all time. Georgia Tech, unbeaten, 12th in the country. catching two and a half at Duke, by the way. Feels awful. Feels like I should just stay away from this. Vegas knows something.

I don't. That being said, I'm going to go Moneyline, Georgia Tech, plus 125 over Dukeies. If they're going to be the playoff hopeful, playoff team, this is how a game you got to win. They already went. They won at CU. They beat Clemson at home. This one you got to take care of. Duke, it's kind of like Vanderbilt used to be.

It's quiet in there. Okay. So Georgia Tech Money Line. What do you think? You like that? LSU. I like every bet until it loses. Yeah.

Okay. LSU plus two and a half. Our final piece coming off a massive win against the Oklahoma Sooners and the Red River rivalry. Arch Manning finally played a little bit there in the second half. First half was ugly. But they got it done. Beat Oklahoma once again.

I think that's three out of four times. Yeah. They're in Dallas. Hutt him without a tub. Not looking good for OU after that. But Texas is heading to Kentucky. Shout out Aaron Fleener. Your team is not in control of their own destiny.

anymore. They haven't been since week one. They're not very good. And I think Texas is going to come in, let Arch slinging around minus 12 and a half for the Longhorns. That's a lot on the road in the SEC. But a get right game? Is this a get right game? Let's go. Yeah. Time.

Huge win. He needs one big one just to get everybody shut up. So Texas, Georgia Tech Money Line, LSU is our three-team parlay. Get paid. Easy. All right. And make some straight cash, homie as our man this week, our guest, his podcast, straight facts, homie, which I was a guest on recently, a lot of fun. He's an ESPN legend. Here's Trey Wingo on subpar.

Okay, we have one of the elite sports minds and all of media with us here today. You've seen him on TV, you've heard him on the radio. He's been a staple in the sports world for decades. We're going to touch all the bases with him here today. Trey Wingo is a pleasure to have you. How are you, my man? good man how are you guys phenomenal it's been a long time Trey just on your pod last week by the way thanks for having me that was a blast

straight facts homie for those out there that don't know correct good name well you know it's an homage to Randy Moss he was once fined 50 grand by the NFL and someone asked him on camera how are you gonna pay that do you get to write a check he goes hell no man rich people don't write check

straight cash homie so uh sort of taking that glance we're just getting to the cut into the crap you know what I mean there's so many people on TV They just yell at you these days. And they want to have an argument and they want to tell you what I think. I don't care. I want to know what the game is about.

I want to know what the data is. I want to know why things happen the way they happen. So we're trying to just cut through the bowl and just to give you the information. Well, you do a great job and you make it really fun as well, which is, I think, is key these days. We've got to have fun. We're talking sports, man. Absolutely. We're talking sports.

Exactly. Yeah, this should not be the most important thing in our life. Exactly. Amen. But I want to go back to early days because I think a lot of people obviously first saw you, ESPN, Sports Center, but go back. Like, did you always grow up wanting to be in the broadcasting business? Yeah, kind of.

My dad was in the print industry. He was a reporter for Life Magazine and then became a bureau chief and covered the Vietnam War for them. And we moved back to the States in the early 70s. And he, Life Magazine folded then because of television, you know, sort of took over. And they kept my dad in three of their editors and said, come up with a new idea for a magazine and they launched People magazine, which to this day is still the most successful magazine launch ever. So he always had an interesting job. You know, like my other friend's job fathers

were, you know, businessmen, accountants, bankers, lawyers, doctors, whatever. But I thought what my dad did was different and cool and I wanted to do something like that. And I always like sports. I wasn't very good at it, but I liked it. And I wanted to figure out a way to make it work. So yeah, I always want to kind of get into it. Yeah. I mean, you've had a hell of a run, sports center, Golic and Wingo, NFL Live. Give it like your come-up in the sports media world, whatever you want to call. Maybe your first on-air gig that you can recall. Oh, I know exactly where it was.

It was WMGC TV, Channel 34 in Binghamton, New York. You know, I'd been working at NBC a little bit as a page and then got to do some sports producing. I thought I was going to get, I'm sending you a tape from NBC Sports. I'm a huge deal, and no one cared. And I finally got a job in Binghamton, New York. And just at that point, I've no idea what it was like now. It was probably the worst TV station in America. You know, we had a, our studio had a corrugated tin roofs.

Every time it rained, all you hear is, but-a-bada, blah, blah, blah, blah. You know, it's just, it was awful. And I was there for two and a half years. In fact, the one big thing that was there was a PGA tour stop was called the BC Open. Yeah. Back in the day. Horseheads, New York native Joey Sindler was huge back then. So, you know, that was the one big thing we covered,

but trying to cover a PGA tour event that wasn't televised live. as a one-man band camera. Very difficult. Joey Sindellaw. That's a name I had not heard in a while. Joey Sindler. Let's go Wayne Levy. Let's go Wayne Levy.

How about that also from that area? Mike Holbert. These are old school, old-time New York State BGA Tour Pros. Dude, I see Mike Holbert every week with CBS. He's out there with us. Yeah. What a beauty. He is.

But I saw, I was looking up some stuff on you. I didn't know you had a little role Saturday Night Live. David Letterman. You know, those shows? I got to hear some stories about this. Yeah. Yeah, that was fun. You know, it's called being a page in NBC. You know, you got there.

And you ever see the movie, the TV show 30 Rock? You know, the guy in the Blue Blazer on NBC with when Tina Faye was there and Alec Baldwin was there. That's what a page was. You gave guided tours of the building. You got to work on some pretty cool stuff. You also did horrible things like you had to go to the building maintenance office and people would call and complain about, hey, Mike.

The toilet's not running in 27th floor, 38J. You know, you had to deal with that shit. But it was a lot of fun, though. Like, you know, one of the first things I ever did was I got to be the guy that took the audience from the lobby at 30 Rock up to the studio on the eighth floor for the David Letterman show. And you had to go through the rules of when you're there. No eating, no drinking. Yeah, actually, I had to say this back to no smoking, can't smoke. Yeah.

No taking pictures of any kind, all this kind of stuff. stuff. Well, there was an old Monty Python bit. I don't know if you guys are Monty Python fans at all? I've never seen it. Yeah. Okay. The British comedy show, John Cleese, all these guys, very funny. And so they had this one bit where he's going through all the rules. And the rule number five, rule number six. And most importantly, there's no rule six. So I did this whole bit in the elevator. I came up with five rules that you had to do in the studio. You can't leave your seat all this time. Most importantly, rule number six, they look at me to say there's no rule six. Go have a good show. Ha, ha, laugh, laugh, laugh, joke. The elevator would open that you'll get their seats. Well, about six months later, after I started doing that,

I'm dating this girl in New York, I'm trying to really impress her. So we're going to this place on the Upper East Side called the Stumble Inn, because it's basically what you did at 1 or 2 a.m. It was the last chance bar. Yeah, stumble in. It was awesome. So I walk in with this girl, I'm trying to impress,

and this guy looks at me, and he's just wide-eyed. I'm like, what's going? He was, I know you. You're the elevator guy from Letterman. And safe to say She wasn't very impressed after that But we gave it a shot

I think he means that Letterman's number two That's pretty much what's referring to there Did you get to have like interact I know you're just like a page Or you're a lower down guy Did you get to have any interaction with Letterman Yeah absolutely And also actually the coolest thing

I mean he was great by the way He was always super nice to everybody The other thing you did was you worked Saturday Night Live And I was there when it was let's see who was there

David Spade was there Phil Hartman a little bit of Chris Farley Kevin Nealyn Phil Hartman Church Lady Dana Carvey those guys and if you worked the show

like if you worked the elevator or you did the security like a guy in a blue blazer at 23 is going to stop somebody from barreling in the studio and doing whatever he wants but you were a day security you got to go to the after party, right? Yeah.

So the show goes from 1130 till 1, you know, and everybody sort of hangs around afterwards, hugging everybody and talking about the show, whatever. So they probably don't leave 30 Rock in downtown Manhattan until 1.30, 1.45. Maybe someone go home real quick, do whatever. Then they get to the party, about 2, 2.30. Party releases are bump until, like, 3. Damn. And, you know, it goes till like, you know, 5, 6 in the morning.

And, you know, everyone's still hyped up. you walk outside and you see people like jogging in the sunlight you're like oh god what are you doing you know that took a few days to recover from from being the uh working the saturday lap after party but it was a good time please that's awesome please tell me chris farley off camera was as great as he was on camera hey he's terrific it was hilarious what a legend he was uh he was way too soon man unfortunately he wanted to be just like john balushi and he ended up being just like john balusia yeah that was a sad one that was a tough one uh but let's you just you're you're you're working your way up in the TV world, then you get a call from ESPN. Take us through that moment.

Yeah, it was really weird, too, because the first job was in Binghamton, New York. Then I got to Allentown, Pennsylvania, and I got to do some play-by-play for Lehigh University football and basketball, which was fun. And then I got this job in St. Louis, and I'd been there less than six months. And I come back from doing some sort of story on a 16-year-old high school track star, you know, whatever you do in local news. And I got this. this little post-it note on my desk said, call Al Jaffe and it was a 203 area code. Well, I grew up, I'm from Connecticut. I grew up there.

So I knew 203 at that point was the entire state area code for Connecticut. I'm like, who is calling me from Connecticut? What's going on here? And then I realized, oh, my God, this guy, Al Jaffe, he was the talent recruiter for ESPN. And I had never sent them a tape. I had not, you know, I'd just gotten to St. Louis. I was just trying to figure out where my house was and my bank and all. that kind of shit. And I got this call and he said, hey, someone sent us a tape. We really like

what we saw. We'd like you to come up and interview for, audition for this thing we're starting, called ESPN2. This was in the launch of ESPN2 in like 1992. And I said, sure. But they were like, wait, are you under contract? I'm like, well, yeah, I am. But I'm not the main guy. I'm the fill in guy. So what would it matter? They said, well, you know, tortious interference, you know, blah, blah, blah, blah. We need to let your, have your station say it's okay. for you to come up on audition. Well, I was like, no problem. So I went up to the general manager and said,

hey, I got this. He was like, no. No, sorry. Can't let it. And I was like, why? It's the old line, well, if we do it for you, we have to do it for everybody. And I'm like, you really don't.

And oh, by the way, I'm the freaking fill in guy. Do you have your main guy? You have your weekend guy. Let me live. And they wouldn't let me out of the deal. So I had to say no. And then they called back four years later and said, hey, we're starting ESPN news.

Are you interested in that point? I was like, F it, I'm not even going to tell them. I'm just going to do the audition. So, damn, what a hater. Yeah. Yeah, let me live a little bit. Did you find out who said your tape to him initially? They got their attention?

No, I still didn't say. I actually asked Al before he retired. I said, do you remember? He goes, no, I don't remember. Somebody sent it in and said, this guy is, you know, whatever. It's really weird because, like, you know, Kenny, who is, Kenny May I know I did a bunch of shows with, you know, he had the exact opposite experience. He sent in like eight tapes, and they kept saying,

not yet, not yet, not yet. And finally the last one, he said, look, I get it, guys. You say not yet. You ask me to all these freelance stuff. He put like a little note in high school, do you like me? Yes or no, please check the appropriate box. And they thought that was funny.

And that's what finally got him up there for his audition. So yeah, I still to this day have no idea who it was that sent that tape in. But I'm glad they did. Yeah, it was fun. Good thing. Kenny was persistent, too. I mean, look at what the two. you turned out to be.

So that happens. You get delayed a little bit four years. When was the first time, like ESPN, I would assume it's the time. But when you first got it, like, I made it. Like, this is what I wanted to be. Yeah. I think, you know, back in the day there, there was, you know, it's just when the ESPN news started.

And, you know, there wasn't the morning sports center. You know, the live show they do now. You know, that was the 1 a.m. show, which we taped. We did live at 1 a.m. And you stayed and you had to wait until, all the games were over because that show ran from 1 a.m. in the morning until almost 1 o'clock the next day because normally they just ran sports center back all morning so everybody could see the highlights, you know, pre- YouTube era and all that kind of stuff.

So when you got a chance to get on that show that would be on all day, that was like, all right, yeah, things are good. So I'll never forget, you know, you get the schedule out and you see you're doing this or that or the 7 to 9 news shift on ESPN News, which was we called going to the box because it was just this big, you know, glass studio in the newsroom and it was like a giant penalty box and you're stuck in there for two hours. But when you got to go down to the big studio, Studio A, you know, where they did all the shows, that was like a big deal. So I remember the first time I got, I did my first overnight sports center and, you know, like a stupid narcissistic fool,

you get up the next day and you watch it, you know, see how many times you're on and all that kind of stuff. It's just dumb. But that was, that was the first moment I thought, okay, this, this, this might work. This might be okay. But at almost a one a.m. show, almost ended my career and it involved golf if you want to know that story yes yes absolutely yes okay this is this is a good everyone has their own blooper you know like steve levy he's got a bulging dick in his neck that was the one's the one's the good slips of all time uh so like like like like i said the show re-airs all the time this is like one of the first i'd say the first five overnight sports centers that i've done so i'm still sort of a newbie right and again you have to

fix everything for the rear like you know game goes to extra innings you got to put more time in that highlight, then you got to take something out of somewhere else. It's a, you know, math equation. So we're doing the first or second, a first round of the Players Championship at Sawgrass in 1998. And the year before Daly had gone just nuts, John Daly had, you know, gotten drunk, missed his tea time, torn up his condo where he was staying. So it was his first attempt to try and get sober, you know, try and try and clean up his life. So it was teeing off, you know, a year after the fact, right of his low point and right before he teed off uh a gave him that coin you know the coin you get signifies how long you've been sober and i think it was like four months or it was a decent

chunk of time right so i'm writing this lead in thinking this is going to be the greatest thing in the world you know i'm going to win a peabody award for this and i'm thought the words are just flowing like honey out of my lips onto the typewriter and uh and so i wrote this sentence right before he teed off, John Daly received his coin signifying six months, whatever, of alcohol-free living, right? So which is the dumbest way to say it, right? That's just clumsy. You should have just said six months of being sober or, you know, being straight, whatever, you know.

But I wrote it signifying six months of alcohol-free living. And I swear to God, as I'm reading it on camera, I don't know why it came out of my mouth. He received a coin signifying one year, six months of free alcohol. Oh my God. The hell of a coin. Where did he get this coin? I was about saying, those coins would be really expensive. Yeah.

And I could feel the blood rushing out of my face as we went to the highlights. And after the commercial break, I'm like this. And the coordinated producer, it's the CP is what his name was. He's in charge of everything. He goes, Trey, we're going to need to fix that lead in for the rear. Yeah, yeah. I thought I was done. Yeah.

I thought I'd blown it. Six months of free alcohol. I'm glad you brought up that you were, you were a rare. writing, you know, your lead in for the highlight. Do you do all the highlights yourself? Like, or is there anybody else there writing the stuff of? I've always wondered that. Yeah, well, I always wanted to write my own stuff because if it's, I don't want to, I'll

own my mistake like that one. I don't want to get hung up to drive for somebody else's mistake. You know what I mean? So that's why I always wanted to write my own stuff. Now the highlights, especially on a show like the 11 o'clock or Van Pelt show now or the overnight or whatever, you know, that's happening in. real time. So those shot sheets, we call them shot sheets, which shows you know, the plays and what happened, you know, down 10 points, LeBron baseline jam, you know what I mean, he had six of 12

shooting on the night. Those are cut by people called APs or content associates, I think, now. And literally, a lot of times, as you're reading the lead-in, they would hand you the shot sheet right off camera. And you, you know, very rare did you get a chance to see a lot of the shots, the highlights ahead of time. So you're just sort of reacting to that on the fly. It's really sort of an interesting skill set, I guess, because you're trying to read it and then watch it at the same time. So what you're reading is watching is timing up with the highlight, right? And the hardest thing about cutting a highlight is getting the word to video ratio correct, right? If you, let's say it's a 15-second highlight and the shot sheet says, LeBron, baseline jumper, well, that took one second to read.

Yeah, right? And then you're like, there he is. still dribbling, and then he hits the baseline jumper. And the worst were long clay court tennis matches, because those rallies would go forever. Oh, yeah. So one night, a guy named Whit Watson and I, who I still talked to this day, we were stuck and we had these highlights that were coming in.

It was 20 seconds between shots, and we're like, what are we going to say? There he goes left. There he goes right. So we went up and looked up this website, called useless trivia. And in the middle of the highlights, we would just say, you know, Sampras, a volley down the left, left baseline. Did you know that all ducks are left-handed? You know, Agassi, with the diving return, you know, all polar bears don't, a ghost, someone's

echo doesn't, something animal, how doesn't echo and nobody knows why. You know, like Donald Duck's stamps or cartoons are abandoned. Finland because he's not wearing shorts. You know, we just threw to inject a duck's quack doesn't echo. That's what it was. A duck's quack doesn't echo. Nobody knows why. So we would just, we would just to keep the highlight going, inject this ridiculous,

useless trivia information. You know, all polar airs are left-handed. This is ESPN news. And we just kept, and finally at one point they said, one of the proofs that I know what you guys are doing. Stop it now. Like stop it now. But we're just trying to keep ourselves.

You're making it entertaining. That's why like that era, I feel like, Sports Center especially was like the best because it was like that's how guys want to be. People watch this more like it's not the end of the world. It's not the most important thing. Let's have some fun. You can fuck around a little bit and it was fun. There was a saying at ESPN back in the day.

This is, I think it was from the mid 90s to the mid 2000s. We take sports seriously. We don't take ourselves seriously. And honestly, I think it's the other way around these days. Yeah. We take it so seriously. And oh, by the way, here's my opinion that you really need to hear. and something happened in the game.

Yeah, well, we're going to get to an event that people take very seriously, because I know you're passionate about the Ryder Cup, but a little bit more on the Sports Center, I think, some of the characters, they were there. I mean, Kenny May, Stuart Scott, Chris Berman. Can you talk about some of those guys, and what it was like getting to work alongside them? I mean, Stuart Scott, one of the all-time greats.

Yeah, Stuart was, I have a great Stewart story, but to Boomer's effect. Like, Boomer and I are actually from the same hometown, kind of. He's a few years ahead of me. He's a local Connecticut guy as well, both from Greenwich. And I'd ran into Boomer when he was covering a baseball game in St. Louis for ESPN. And I was local. I was still working there. And I just went up to him at the press box buffet line at Bush Stadium and said, hey, so-and-so nice to meet you. Oh, nice to meet you. How are you? What, Boomer? And I said, hey, if you haven't tried, try the cheddar smokies. They're really good, which is basically a cheese-filled hot dog. They gave out at the press box in Bush Stadium.

They're delicious. So I get to ESPN and I'm in there. And, you know, it's like the first couple of days. I'm going to the men's room on the third floor. I'm washing my hands. And Boomer comes in. I'm like, oh, God, it's Chris Berman. So I said, Chris, how are you?

I'm Trey Wingo. I just got, he goes, eh, cheddar smoky guy. How are you? He remembered from like three years ago, you know, that, oh, you're the guy that told me to get the cheddar smokies at Bush Stadium. So actually, boom and I still talk. And when I took over the draft for him, doing the NFL draft,

before every year of the draft, he'd send me a simple test. Have fun. Don't fuck it up. Yes. That's good advice for anything. I got to play three days with him at Pebble at the AT&C. Nice.

Colt. He's what? Great dude. Great dude. That cut, my JJ Henry says never allowed this club go, but I'm giving up 30 yards. That's very good.

That is a very good mover. You mentioned Stuart Scott. You had a good story about him. I've got to hear this. Yeah, you know, Stuart and I work together. I want to be clear, we weren't great friends, but we were friendly, you know what I mean? And we used to do this thing every year at ESPN called ESPN the weekend. It would be right after, you know, the Super Bowl and early March.

It's basically a promotional thing for Disney World. We do all the shows from Disney. You know, Dick's sporty, good sponsor didn't mean. We did all the shows then, you know, NFL live, 6 o'clock Sports Center, late sports center, baseball tonight, all the shows, all the radio shows, would do it for three days from the Disney parks. And it was really a lot of fun. But one year, Stuart and I got down there early, and we had nothing to do. And I said, hey, I brought my sticks.

You want to go play? And he was like, hell yeah, let's go play golf. So, you know, Stewart and I were just really getting into golf at that point. And we went out and played. And we'd never really spent a bunch of time together. And we were just having a blast talking, you know, shooting the shit, talking about stupid stuff, talking about work, talking about our kids, all that kind of stuff. And, you know, the car crew rolls around and we start having a few cocktails.

And we're having more fun than playing much worse golf. And we got to the end. We had had a good day. We had a really good day, laughed our asses off. I think we both almost missed the ball on the 18th. It was pretty bad. And he went and did his stuff at the weekend, and I went and did mine. And I saw him the next week up at Bristol.

I'm like, dude, that was awesome. He's like, yeah, we've got to do that again. As soon as the weather warms up, let's do it again. Well, like two weeks later, he got sick. and the rest of his time there was basically spent battling cancer. And when he passed away, and I post this almost every year on the anniversary of his passing, it's like, take the time to do the thing that you said you wanted to do because you don't know if you're ever going to get a chance to do it again.

And what I wouldn't give for one more day on the golf course playing horrendous golf, laughing our asses off and having a couple cocktails with Stewart, I would give a lot for that. And I'll never have that opportunity again. And I regret that we didn't take it up on ourselves, take it upon ourselves to do that again. That's a great message, man. Love that.

Yeah, he was one of the guys I feel like almost transcended, like being a sports broadcaster, sports anchor, whatever it was and became like big. I mean, SNL where you worked previously, like did kind of a parody on, you know, Stuart Scott. It was Ray Ramoboto and Tim Meadows. Do you remember sweet sassy molasses? I mean, dude, I still say, I literally still say that.

Like, he was one of the guys that was kind of, like, bigger than just sports. Like, he was kind of everywhere. That was Ray Romano. Yeah, Ray Ramano. Tim, Tim Meadows was a Saturday Live regular, and Ray was the guest. And he was trying to be as hip as Tim. Stewart, it just was not working. It was not working.

That's the best. As cool as the other side of the pillow. Oh, yeah. He was trying to match Stuart Scott as Tim Meadows, and it just wasn't having. It was such a good, it's such a good skit. One last thing about sports that I want to ask, because I didn't know this. You did the only segment or the only episode of Sports Center on 9-11 before obviously everything that happened. Yeah.

Can you take us through that day? Did you, were you getting ready for the show and they told you in your ear or did you actually see everything that was going on? This was, yeah, this was a crazy day. And, you know, actually, you know, this past September 11th was, for me, was eerily reminiscent because it was a beautiful day outside. I was supposed to do the 6 o'clock show that day. and 6 a.m. or 6 p.m. Sports Center, 5 o'clock, you know, Dallas time and whatever. So I was, you know, I was going out for a run before I had to go into work. And I turned on the TV and it was like, hold on, something just hit the World Trade Center.

I'm like, oh, my God, you know. So we're watching that. And then the other plane hits. I'm like, at this point, I don't know what the hell is going on. So I'm like, well, I'm going into work. I don't know what's going to happen. And as I'm getting in the car, my wife yells out the window, a bomb just went off at the Pentagon. Of course, that was another plane that went off.

So I got into the office, I'm driving into work. I'm like, what hell am I going to work for today? What are we going to talk about? Who cares? Like, we are under attack. This is Pearl Harbor for a generation, you know? And I remember walking into work that day, and everyone was just sort of like, what do we do? Like, what's going on?

Nobody knew anything. It wasn't called 9-11 that day. It was just called planes, you know, attacking us, you know? was just a terrorist attack and it wasn't branded yet. So there was a big debate that day about whether or not we should do a show. And I was like, who gives a shit? You know, like, honestly, people are dying. We don't know what's going on.

There's mass casualties. Why don't we just donate our airtime to ABC News and they can have as much outreach as possible? And there was a big internal debate about it. And Bob Lee, who did the shows with me that week and did that show, said, look, I hear you're saying, but our job is to chronicle the world of sports on this day. And I think we do a show basically saying this is how the attacks of that day affected the sports world. And we're like, okay, we'll do a half hour show. And by the way, Bob was 100% right. He was 100% right. We did the show. We were on for 30 minutes. And then a couple of the executives came in and said, hey, this is,

going really well. And there's some developing stories. You guys want to continue. We're like, Sure. So we did, I think we had to be on the air for two and a half or three hours that first night. And Bob and I were the only ones that did Sports Center the next three days. It was just me and Bob on that Tuesday, I think it was, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, and then sort of things got back into a little bit of a rhythm towards the end of the week. And I gotta say this, I gotta preface this the right way. I wish it had never happened. Obviously, it was a terrible day for our country. But I do take some pride. in how we did our business on that day and how we handled, you know, the events of that day as they related to sports. And that's all on Bob. He was like, this is our job. This is what we need to do. And he was 100% right. Wow. Yeah. That's a, I mean, that's a tough spot to be. And there's no blueprint for that, like, how you behave, you know, how you act. And at what point is it okay to, like, go back to doing our show, how we do and talk about sports. When you're saying, like, you're hitting the nail on the head, it's like, who gives a shit? Like, this doesn't matter

in the grand scheme of things, you know? It's a sticky spot to be in when you got to go It was a really weird week, too, because at some point, it was just heavy all the time. And this is going to sound weird. But one of my best friends is still there. His name is Seth. He was the produce on the 6 o'clock show. He does all the NFL stuff now. He's awesome.

But, you know, we had, we'd just been grinding about all these horrible things all the time. We're standing by the printer. And I said, hey, that's a nice shirt. He goes, yeah, I got it at a thrift store. You know, I just really liked it, bought it the window. And then he looked at his all office and said, wait a minute, I got these pants at the thrift store too and these shoes. I think this whole outfit I got for 20 bucks at the thrift store.

And the stupidity of this guy working at ESPN and wearing nothing but thrift store clothing for 20 bucks just struck us as the funniest thing in the world. And we just started laughing for like 30 minutes and we couldn't stop. And people like, what is wrong with you? Don't you know what's happening to our country right now? And we just, we couldn't stop laughing because I guess we just needed a release, you know. We'd been so tense and so serious. And the stupidest thing in the world, his entire fucking outfit was $20 from like an Army Navy store.

We thought was the funniest thing in the world. And we just, people thought we were high. Like, we couldn't stop laughing. And I guess we just needed to release the tension on some level, you know? Yeah. Yeah, I get it. I think it was when Will Ferrell came out on SNL. That was kind of the first thing I made in the like red, white and blue American flag, like Speedo at the, you know, Spoof corporate meeting.

It was like, oh, it's okay to laugh again. It's okay to laugh. Yeah, exactly. We need to laugh a lot. By the way, we laugh a lot on the golf course, which I know you're obsessed with the game of golf. Tell us a little back when, obviously you mentioned you and Stuart Scott playing back of the day. You weren't very good. But now you're just, you love the game.

You and I did the pod the other day. It was all Ryder Cup talk. I know you're very passionate about the game. But when did your love for the game of golf happen? You know, I didn't really play much as a kid. And it's funny, there's pictures of me and my honeymoon in Barbados, like making fun of golfers. Like, look at these idiots.

You know what I mean? And then, you know, I guess, you know, that white man gene kicks in sometimes in your mid to late 20s. And I became obsessed. And at this point, I was working in Pennsylvania. And my wife had a job on the weekends in retail. So I had my weekends free. So I was like, all right, well, maybe I'll try this thing.

So I started playing a little bit. And I was, I mean, when I tell you, I was terrible, I was terrible. Like, I had no idea what I was doing, but I loved the whole concept of it. And what really got me hooked on it, because that was 1991. That was the first year I really got into it. And that was the year the 1991 Ryder Cup, the War of the Shore, Kiowa Island. And, you know, the funny thing about that is that event was never supposed to be on live TV. What happened was there was a NASCAR.

race that day that got rained out on that Saturday or Sunday. And that's that is why it ended up being a live event on NBC. It was supposed to be some you know tape programming they'd run later. And obviously it was one of the greatest rider cups of all time. Very tense, by the way, right after the first Gulf War and the Americans are out there and their USA hats and camouflage and the Europeans are like, we were part in the same team. What's going? We were all part of that coalition. I don't understand. But it got super intense. Freaking Mark Kalkovecki was four up with four to play, and he lost four great holes,

and Colin Montgomery was able to tie him. And it came down to that last putt on the 18th hole between Hale Irwin and Bernard Longer, and Longer had like a five-footer, and if he makes it, they retain the cup. And if he misses, Hale either ties or wins that match, and we get 14 and a half points, and we win the cup. And he missed it. And the place went nuts. I'd just never seen anything like it.

It was freaking crazy. And after that match, Hale Irwin to this day, still has the greatest quote in sports journalism ever. He was being interviewed about how tense it was out there by Sports Illustrated. And he said, the sphincter factor was high. The sphincter factor is high all the time. The sphincter factor was high out there. By the way, 91, which obviously, as you said, one of the greatest rider cups, also one of the envelope rule situations. Yeah, exactly.

Steve Pate. Yeah, Steve Pate. Because at that point, Kiowa was not even a resort, right? There wasn't a hotel. It was a really odd choice, by the way, to host a Ryder Cup. Our guys had never played it. And it was an Ocean Links course, which kind of favors the Europeans, if you think about it. There was no hotel there.

When I did the Straight Fax Homey episode with Paul, because he was a part of that team, he was like, yeah, we stayed in trailers. There was no hotel. The roads weren't paved. I mean, we had no idea what was going on. It was a really, like it was great. It was great. Don't get me wrong.

But it was, nobody knew what the hell it was. was in 1991. The Ryder Cup was a little different. It wasn't even going to be on TV. Now look at it. I mean, we cover it non-stop for a year virtually leading up to it. But that 91 one that set the bar, I think that's when it started to change. One of your Twitter

one of your Twitter friends that are big live supporters, you know, went off on the whole envelope rule this thing this year. And one of the guys said, you know, Kegan was Kegan wasn't upset when the Americans won in 1991. And I said, well, Kegan was five. I don't really think he gave a shit. Yeah. And apparently, I was like he really

He should have done his homework. He should know the history. I was like, dude, I was joking. Like, it was 1991. He was five years old. Relax, man. Yeah. Yeah, everyone just chill out.

Yeah, but the Libbot armies are strong. You love that. Yeah, they are. We'll do a little live dog. Let them. Sorry, go ahead. Yeah, I just say, let them live, baby. Let them do whatever they want to do.

Let them watch them. I've been told I'm not allowed to engage with them anymore. So it's just, well, it's just a bot farm. I mean, you know what it is. I mean, but it's so obvious. It's like these guys, you know, This account established yesterday. You know, oh, crazy.

It's so fun when you're sitting there on the couch, nothing to do. I was like, I'll argue with these idiots. Yeah, exactly. If you want to go, I'll go. You know, just say when. All right, Trey, I know you got some takes on this because you've been covering it, but big picture stuff. We'll stay on Rider Cup.

I'm going to put you in charge of the U.S. Rider Cup team for the next two years. Got to get us a winning squad and over across the pond. What do we do differently than what we're doing right now? And I hate this because when fans say this, I'm like, it's not true. It matters more to them. It just does. Like that's the first thing.

First thing I would do is what's something that Colton and I've talked about on my show, I'd get rid of the president's gun. That's the first thing I would do. Breach. Like it's not competitive. It's just a moneymaker for the PGA tour. And we care kind of because we like to win. And I think we've lost, what, two of these things maybe over the years, maybe one and one. One in one tie, I think.

Yeah. Yeah, I mean, that's it. And, you know, the Europeans get two years to get into a lather about this. And we go through this banal, meaningless exhibition. And, look, I'm happy for the Mike Weirs of the world. And, you know, and, you know, all the Australian players and the Koreans and the Canadians that get a chance to have this format. That's wonderful.

It's not the Rider Cup. Okay. It's not close. It's not the same thing. So I think the first thing I would do is say, we got to stop playing the President's Cup every other year because it's killing us. And I think we have to do something the way the Europeans have done it, where they have the Sevee Cup out there, where they, it's basically a program to get people to care about the

Ryder Cup, to get it to be ingrained in their system. And the other thing we've got to figure out is how come we don't play well with each other, right? We all, we're, we're decent in four ball, we're okay in singles. We're not as dominant as we used to be in singles. We were this past time, but, you know, we sort of had to be. we got to figure out a way to play better together and i mean alternate shot since the 2023 rider cup through the president's cup and this past rider cup we are 619 and oh in

alternate shot you can't win it that way we've got to find a way to create cohesive teams that work together better in alternate shot because that's killing us yeah it's an interesting point because like yeah we stink somehow in alternate shop it's not like the europeans are going out playing six events a year where they're playing alternate shot it's like why does it work for them they got great players of course they're close they're all friends but we got a kind of guys the same way too i can't put my finger on why there's so much better it seems like in that format especially this year normally it's the home team but this year they killed us at home yeah i i just feel like for them like for example when tommy fleet would finally broke through

in one you know at the tour championship right how many of the rider cup players hung around just to see him do that you remember the canadian open playoff a couple years ago uh between Tommy and was it Nick Dunlap? Nick Taylor. I was there. Nick Taylor, Nick Taylor. Yeah. I mean, it was really fascinating because all the Canadian players were there to see if Nick Taylor could get it done, be the first Canadian to win the national open since 1950, something, I think it was. And all the European players were there because they wanted to see their

Ryder Cup teammate maybe finally break through and went on the PGA tour. I just don't get the sense that as a team, we feel the same way about it than they do. Like these Europeans, they're bonded by it, you know. And I certainly think it helps that, you know, so many of them live over here full-time to participate on the greatest tour there is, the PGA tour where they can make a bleep ton of money and feel better about themselves. But when they get together as strangers in a strange land, there's a bond there that we simply don't have. And we've got to find a way to get that connective tissue.

And our horses have to play better. You know, Rory played great. Justin Rose played great. We mentioned Tommy, you know, how great he played. Shane Lowry, all those guys. Our horses didn't show, and we got to figure that out because that's the same disease we had with Tiger and Phil. The two U.S. players with the most losses in Rider Cup history

are Phil Mickelson 22 and Tiger Woods at 21. You take away their singles records, and it's not great. We've got to find a way for our best to be at their best when this thing goes. And I think one of the things we could do is just not play the other thing every other year. I'm with you. Yeah, our top two, I mean, they got two and a half points combined. That's just not going to get it done.

But as a fan watching on Sunday, like we all thought going in, like we were on the broadcast for Sirius XM, doing the radio coverage. And I was like, this is about to be the most miserable six hours of my short broadcasting career, because this is going to be boring as shit,

it's going to be closed out, we're going to have nothing to talk about. But then all of a sudden, it turned and it was electric. What was it like as a fan watching for you? Because I had to think, like, all of us, we had no chance going in. Right.

And especially, you know, when you get the half point to go up seven and a half before we match up with, yeah, matches even go, you know, it's like, okay, just do the math. It's not possible. And at one point, I think the euros were leading in the first five matches of the day. Yeah. You know, Bryson was getting destroyed, you know. Five down. And five down, right, through seven

holes. And you're just like, well, and then just slowly, you know, it just started to creep in. And then I was like, people kept saying, what's, you think it's going to happen? No, it's not going to happen. It's not going to happen. It's not going to happen. And then, you know, you get to the Henley-Lowry match and you see on 17, you're like, oh, now if this happens, then it's interesting. Although I will say I thought it was brilliant for Luke to make sure Tyrell Hatton and McIntyre were on the back end of that thing just in case, like just in case, because Terrell is obviously a really fiery competitor and McIntyre has turned into a stud. So I thought it was a brilliant move by Luke to have those two guys out in some of the final groupings just in case something happened and

they needed to scratch out a couple of halves, and that's exactly what they did. But, yeah, the Henley on 17, I think, was the turning point. Oh, yeah. Until then, I really thought we had a chance. Yeah, it was tough. They just couldn't get there. Yeah, I mean, Shane Lowry, I mean, it's crazy to think. If they don't have the envelope rule, I know, like, granted Harris was the guy left off,

Victor, but, like, if that's not a rule and we go out and play that match and he wins that match, like, it can change things completely just because the point differential looks. Like, Sam Burns getting a half at the end, I thought was track. He conceded a butt on 17. This is when after it was decided, you know what I mean? So I feel like they got a half point more than they would have had if it was close. Like it was a legitimate chance. If we don't like to have that half point, like you said from the envelope rule going in, like that could have been historic.

That would have been honestly, well, I think it's going to change anyway. But that would have been the worst because it would have been like, really, that's how. I mean, and even like Paul McGinley, I think said it in the NBC broadcast. He's like, look, we've retained the cup. We need to go win it. And I think he understood the significance of that because otherwise it would be like, hey, man, you only got it because of this stupid rule. And so thankfully, to your point, like things do change in matches after it's conceded. Like those things suddenly do not have the energy of the Rory Patrick Reed match at Hazeltine in 2016.

They change dramatically. But I'm thankful for everybody involved that that wasn't the decider. But I think that rule has to change. Also, Colt said it on the straight facts. Like, just have a, let's have a 13th just in case. Yeah, go to the pen. Have it. Have it.

And also, can we get rid of the retained thing? Slees and I are big on this. Like, there's no ties, okay? In soccer, there's some ties occasionally. Everything else, we don't need any ties. This thing, if it ends 14, 14, 14, you pick your best guy, we pick our best guy. Let's play this thing out. I mean, how good a TV would that be?

I love that. And that's the one thing, actually, that I think the President's Cup did right. You know, I think until the Cup was decided, I think they have to play out every match on Sunday. You know, I think that's the one thing I really like about the President's Cup is we're not doing halves. Somebody wins or somebody loses until this thing is decided that you can have some matches. Could you imagine being the guy? I mean, I know like winning a major championship coming down to 70 second hole, that's crazy pressure. But being the guy that decides whether you win or lose the Ryder Cup for your entire country, that would dwarf all of it.

All of it. I agree. And I think that's one of the reasons. why it's different for the Europeans. How many of the Americans would say what Shane Lowry said after he sank that put? Or what he said to his caddies, he was walking up the 18th dream. I have a chance to do the coolest thing in the world, get the point to secure the Ryder Cup. And he said, I mean, this is a guy who's from Ireland, that one royal port rush. I get it, Northern Ireland, but still, you know, it's Irish. And he said this meant more to him than that. How many of our guys would say that? Would Scotty Sheffler say I'd trade one of my masters to sink that put? Would Bryson say I'd trade. one of my U.S. opens to sink that put? I'm not sure they would.

I don't know. And I'm not saying they're wrong. I'm not saying they're wrong. I'm just saying that to me, that's the DNA difference that the disadvantage that we come into this thing with. Yeah. I like what Brooks Kebka said a few years ago about people were talking about having that put to win the Ryder Cup.

And he goes, everybody says they want it. That ain't true. He goes, there are very few that actually want that moment. Correct. Absolutely. Killers want that moment. We need killers. Tell us about your golf game.

Would you want that moment? You thrive on that moment. Am I being sponsored by Depends and dude wipes? Because then I do it. What's the handicap? It's a, well, I just updated to a 7.9. Okay. Had a solid round out here yesterday at Desert Willow, the Firecliff course.

But, you know, like the game is, I don't have to tell you guys this. Like, the range was being, was overseated. So we got out there, just took a couple swings and went. I parted the first five holes, didn't miss a. green, you know, could have made three birdies, just didn't fall, putts fall. Then I made a double. Then I made two more pars. Then I made another double. So my, my freaking front side was seven pars and two doubles. And then, you know, a couple of bogeys and another double and, you know, came in as an 81. But like for five holes, I couldn't miss. I couldn't miss. Like, had a little

trap drawn every one of my irons, just flushing them on to the greens. You know, people always say, how do you get, how do you score better? Hit more greens. Yeah. Hit more greens. It's the only way. I don't care how you do it. whether you need to be in the fairway more often or whatever. If you're on green in regulation, you have a chance at birdie and two puns at par, it's amazing how much that helps your stuff. Well, if you're on a green regulation, it's going to be really hard to make doubles. And I tell all like the mid-level handicapped guys, like get rid of the doubles.

Like, right there you said you made at least three doubles and shot 81. Boom. Take those away 78. Yeah. Like in 78? Well, exactly. And one of the doubles drives me crazy. Crushed a drive.

It was a, you know, a 320-yard hole. It was 40 yards away. And that's a crushed drive for me. I don't, you know, I don't have 120 mile out of ball speed. So I had a little flip wedge in, right? So it was like 40 yards. So I take my little 60 and let's make sure we get it because there's water in front and it's like a peninsula of green.

So I just make sure you get it over the water. And I got over the water and landed on the green. What I didn't realize there was water on the back sides of the green. So I hit the green. It basically tripled off straight down in the water. I'm like, God. I thought I did the hard part already. And I didn't factor in that there was water behind the green.

I just hit it a little too strong and that's how I got the double. On my best drive of the day, it drove me freaking crazy. That's just course management. We can fix that quick. If you would have mishit it like normal, you'd have had a full wedge in and it would have been fine. Exactly. If I'd just scald an eight iron like I normally would, everything would have been gravy. Are you on the member guest circuit?

Do you go and play a lot of those type of deals or is it just basically at home with your boys? No, I do play a lot. In fact, I was at this summer at Sioda or this fall last couple weeks. Buddy of mine is a member there and I played a three-day member guest out there with him. And I played one day end of September. It was awesome. Have you ever been to Ceyota? It's just so cool. Yes, it's so good.

And they, you know, they, I think the renovation was, what, five years ago where they took down all the trees? It's so different now. Like, it's just, you, from anywhere on the course, you feel you can see the entire course. It's like this little bowl that it's in, you know? It's just, it's a very, very cool, very tricky course. Yeah, beautiful place. All right, let's get to the E9 here before we let you go. We're going to start off with this one for you because you've had an unbelievable career. You've done so many cool things. There's a movie made about you. Who plays you? Oh, that's a great question. Is my ego allowed to answer?

Of course. Absolutely. Brad Pitt. Yeah, perfect. Of course that's easy. You know, when I, before, you know, this happened, people used to say I looked a little like Casey Martin or Matthew Perry. Oh, yeah. But since Matthew's no longer with us, I don't think he could do that.

I don't know. Like somebody not really attractive and somebody not really athletic. probably would be the most uh there's a lot of options you got a lot of options you want one of us to do that the very that's very unfortunate that matthew perry is no longer with us because now you say it i think that would be perfect actually i got one i think yeah try to tell me what you think about this i don't know you're going to be asking it off the top of my head steve martin oh yeah i like steve i grew up a such a huge steve martin fan i mean absolutely like when when the album let's get small came out i thought it was the

funniest thing I've ever heard in my life. Like, I memorized that album. Yeah. I could recite that album because I thought it was that funny. Funny dude kind of looks like you. That'd be good. Yeah. Some people have a way with words.

Other people not have way, was one of his lines. He's got some good ones. All right. First one from me, give me your favorite sports center commercial of all time. Well, I am going to say the one I was in because it's the one where Jerry Stackhouse is making fun of my name.

and the reason I'm saying this is because they came up to me and said, hey, well, first of all, you know, my name is Trey Wingo. Okay, that's ridiculously stupid and weird. But my full name is Hal Chapman Wingo, the third, which is even weirder. So, you know, my whole life, my name has been sort of like a weird thing. And they said, we want to do this commercial with you. Is it okay if we make fun of your name? I'm like, welcome to every day of my life.

So sure, no problem. So they sat Jerry Stackhouse down at our little cubicle. and the whole commercial is him saying, seriously, man, what's your real name? I'm like, it's Trey Winko. And he just starts laughing, hysterically, Tray Wingo. And the reason it's my favorite commercial, one, there's never been a sports commercial

just about someone else's sports center anchor's name. So that was great for name value. But number two, if you go back and find that one on YouTube, there's a, as Jerry Stackhouse's heads back and laughing, there are pictures of my kids right behind when they were like three and five, you know. And they're in the commercial. So I thought that was really funny. One of my favorite ones of all time, though, is one that nobody remembers.

And it was just freaking hilarious. It was Carl Ravich and Georges Muresan, who was a NBA player. I remember eight. He was just incredibly tall. And there was one other athlete. And I think Steve Levy or somebody walks by, and it's George's Mirazan, Carl Ravich, and somebody else. And there's a boombox there. And they're just dancing.

And I think Steve goes, what are you guys doing, Carl? And he goes, we're just dancing. You want to join? And he goes, sure. And it's just 30 or 15 seconds of George's mirrors on. Somebody else Carl Rabbit and Steve Levy just dancing to a boombox. It's the stupidest thing ever. But it makes me laugh every single time I see it.

Man, they're good. That's why they were great. They had so many great ones. Yeah. All right. It was awesome. We're fun. One final day of golf left for you.

Where are you playing and who you playing with? Is this the live or dead thing? Can I bring anybody? Yeah, you can resurrect in this. Nothing's off limits here. All right. The course is interesting, right? God, I might choose Cabot Cliffs.

Have you guys been up there? I haven't. God, they look amazing. They do great, Jones. It's cool good. The Cliffs course is 6 par 3, 6 par 4 is 6 par 5s. It's just so much fun. Or it could be Manili Bay and Lanai.

That's an awesome golf course. Although back-to-pack par 3 is on the front side kind of turns out for me. Let's just say Cabot. just say Cabot? Because I haven't been to Ireland yet. I've been to Scotland, played a bunch there. Maybe Kings Barnes. I don't know. Um, let's just say Cabot. Tiger. I would want to play with Tiger for sure. Um, you know, I, I guess I would say my dad, although he didn't really, he hasn't, he never really played. He tried to get in golf, got into it too late. He told me once his biggest regret in life is he didn't take up the game soon enough.

I would have been able to do a lot of things like that. I don't know. Maybe my son. Okay. That's about it. Tiger being for a treat. Yeah. Yeah.

There is, I do have a funny Tiger story real quick. Hell, yes. We love Tiger stories. So, you know, it involves Stewart, of course, because Stewart knew everybody. So it was the 2003 NBA All-Star game in Atlanta. And I get a text from Stewart. Hey, come down. I'm having lunch with somebody you probably want to hang out with.

I'm like, oh, okay. So we get out in the lobby of the Ritz. Carlton's going to a little restaurant and back booth. There's Stewart. And I turned, there's Tiger having lunch with Stewart. And I'm like the hugest, I mean, I, from the moment, like, Tiger came onto the scene. I was like, this guy is just got it. I have a whole file in my computer of all the things in the awards and all the tournaments he won,

all 82 of them. So I'm like, geeking out. You know what I mean? So I'm like, oh, hey. And Tiger looks up and goes, hey, Trey. I'm like, oh, hey, Tiger, how are you? I try to be really quick. Freaking out.

So we stayed there for like 20 minutes and he had to leave and then Stewart left. So I'm racing out of the elevator to call my dad or out of the restaurant to call my dad and say, you won't believe who I had lunch with today. So I'm getting ready to call on the old flip phone and the elevator opens and the Ritz in Atlanta and like an idiot instead of waiting for it. I just barge in because I am not thinking right. I'm like, I got to tell my dad. I just had lunch with Tiger Woods.

This is amazing. So the elevator opens. It's NBA also weekend and I just walk in and I run smack dab into this. wall of a human being. And it's just solid as can be. And I look up and he goes, Wingo, watch where you're going. I'm like, Michael, sorry, that's on me. It's my bad. So I went from having lunch with Tiger and texting. And I run into Michael Jordan. Like my face is in his chest, you know. And the first thing he says to me is Wingo, watch where you're going. That is awesome. Tiger and the MJ in like a 15 minute span. I was like, yeah, I could die today. This is good.

Yeah, you got half of the Mount Rushmore. That's nice. Yeah, that's it. I mean, that's wild. That's a good day. All right, I'll give you this one. You get one long form interview with an athlete of any era. Who would you want?

You know, this is really interesting because to this day, people ask me who my favorite interview was, and it was nobody I ever talked to at ESPN. It was Arthur Ash, the tennis player, a Hall of Famer. And to this day, I would still pick. him, I think. I interviewed him in Forest Park, which is the St. Louis version of Central Park. When he was a kid, because of racial discrimination, he couldn't play high school tennis in Richmond. So he had family, and he came and played in St. Louis. So he was back in St. Louis for the St. Louis Tennis Hall of Fame. And this was right after he had been diagnosed with age

through a blood transfusion. And he had sort of been outed for that. I'm not saying out of as a sexual lifestyle but he had just because he was straight he had just they just sort of said help without him knowing it or without him telling it or giving it permission that he had had acquired HIV and he was pretty private guy so I was the only one that got to do an interview with him and we because I knew the guy from the tennis hall of fame the St. Louis tennis Hall of Fame he set it up and I sat down with Arthur for like 45 minutes to an hour and we talked about everything from you know his tennis career to growing up, to, you know, he was the one that sort of was very anti-apartheid in Sun City and all that kind of stuff. I wouldn't play there whenever everybody else is going.

Just a quality human being. You know, his book, Days of Grace, about his last few years of his life is still one of my favorite books I've ever read. So, you know, I feel fortunate that the answer to that question is somebody I interviewed. To call Arthur Ash and an athlete is to, to me, to sort of limit who he was as a human being. Yes, he was an amazing athlete and a Davis Cup captain and a Wimbledon champion, but he was so much more than that. He's just a person whose life I would have liked to have emulated. And I just, I'm very fortunate that I had the opportunity to have that interview with him.

Wow, that's cool. Great answer. Yeah. Actually, one of mine was your favorite interview you've ever had, but like, who's someone you didn't get to that you wish you did? Or that you, maybe you want to still. Yeah. I never got to interview Arnold.

Like, I met him a couple times. I would love to sit down with Arnold just for the fun of it, you know. Look, I feel really fortunate. Like, the only thing that I've never come. that I would probably want to cover. I've never covered a Masters. You know, I've done PGA Championships. I've done Open Championships.

I've done U.S. Open Tennis, Wimbledon, basketball, football, the Olympics, Salt Lake, Super Bowls, drafts, World Series, all that kind of stuff. NBA finals, NHL finals. The only one I've never gotten to is Augusta. So I think that to answer that question, I would like to do something at Augusta and interview someone of significance at Augusta, I guess, would be the only way. they're the only thing that I would think that would be something that I haven't done that I would really want to do. That probably answers my other question is like you can pick any sporting event, one last one to cover. I have a feeling you're probably going to pick the master since you never did it. No.

No. No. I mean, no. I mean, I want to do it. I would pick a Ryder Cup again or an Open Championship. Now, everyone has their favorite major, right? I get it. And all of sports, those are the ones you pick.

It doesn't have to be golf. Yeah, I would. Absolutely. The open to me is so different. First of all, it's the oldest championship in the sport. I mean, it just is, you know, and everything is based off the open. I think it's the most interesting major. You know, you get the widest variety of players, you know,

and I love the way they set up the entire championship. It never sells out. You show up, you get a ticket. You know, you mean, you show up, you get a chance to go. And there's so much history in the game being there. You know, I was very fortunate. I covered, you know, two open championships at St. Andrews, one at Royal St. George, one at Royal Litham, one at Muirfield, and one at Hoylake.

So I got to cover some really, I didn't get to Trune, which was the year before. And I would have loved to have done that. We lost the bid. We gave the bid back, by the way, to NBC in 2016 in exchange for something. I can remember a couple first days of Rider Cup play, actually. But I would have, the open is fascinating to me. I love everything about it. And the Rider Cup I would do.

I would absolutely do. It's just different. It's just different than any other sporting event. It just really is. Yep, Ryder Cup, my favorite sporting event in the world. It would be great if we could start making it a little more competitive than we have. It'd be nice to win one every seven tries. That would be great. Winning one on the road would even be more cool. It's been a long time since we do that. But the good news is... Ninety-three at the Belfrey.

Davis Love the Third sank the winning put. The good news is this next one over in Ireland, Adair Manor, is about as American-American golf courses. You'll find. Don't they call it like the European... Augusta or something, the Augusta of Europe. Yeah, I mean, it's like. But didn't we hear that about the K Club? Yes.

A few years ago. And we got whoop there too, man. And also we heard it about whistling straits for the Euros. It's like, ah, this is European. This is on the water. You know, lynxish, on the water. No, and then we win by 100. So nobody really knows.

All right, I'll give you my last one. 19 to 9. I'll give my last one. It was going to be about John Daly and the story, the story that you told earlier. So I'll switch it up. And give me in your entire, since you started playing golf, Give me the moment in your golf career, if you want to call it that, where the sphincter factor was the highest.

Oh, geez. Yeah, a couple years ago in our Governor's Cup at our old golf course, that old golf club that I belonged to, we'd won our first two matches. And we were playing our third match. My friend John Yalls and I were playing together. And I had a put from about six feet. in the second playoff hole for a four for three to win.

And at that point, I was using this putter. It's called a hono putter. It's made out of bamboo. It looks like a block of cheese. Like, it's ridiculous. But there's something about the bamboo, the way it comes off the face, very smooth, and I'd been putting it pretty well. And John Yoles looked at me and said,

I wouldn't be upset at all if you made this put to get into the quarterfinals or whatever it was. And, I mean, I literally was like, because it was just outside. of like I knew what the put did. It was like a little uphill or little left to right break. But, you know, it was just outside that really comfortable range. You know what I mean? And I was like, God, just fucking make it. Just make it.

And I made it. And it was just like, oh, thank God. Because I didn't want to go. Because the other team, they were better than us. Like we played out of our minds. This guy, as a dentist, he went on to win the championship like three years in a row. He still at this day goes, I still came up. I believe you made that fucking pot.

So, yeah, Blumie still hasn't forgotten that. But that was a big one. That's clutch. Here's your chance, big boy. Here's your chance. Let's go. Get it done. That's clutch.

You're the guy that wants the ball with it all in the line. Member guests shoot. Well, I want it at that time. I'll tell you that much. Member guest shootouts, you see the sphincter factor. You see some, it's so. Biggly. You're talking two footers.

It's like, oh, my God. They can barely pull it back. All right. Last one, Trey. And this is, we do occasionally this asking for a friend where someone will submit a question for you. And this comes from ESPN's own Scott Van Pelt. Who plays more golf a year? You or Sung J.M. Probably me at this point. And Scott, don't be jealous. Don't hate. You're busy doing what you're doing. I try to get out there three, four days a week, Scotty, boy. So I'm trying to

keep this thing going. Hey. How many? God bless it. Have you looked on your app? Like, in 2024, how many rounds did you play for the year? Oh, I didn't. I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I didn't record them all, but it's probably well north of 150. Okay. That's a good run. $200? Love it. You deserve it.

Maybe something like that because you tell you. I mean, like I've divorced winter. You know what I mean? I don't do winter anymore. So I'm always somewhere warm. Yeah. I'm with you. No cold.

That helps to get the number up a lot. You're a wise man. Come see us in Scottsdale. We'll tee it up, man. This has been a blast. Thank you so much. Weiko pa right here. Let's go.

There you go. Let us know. There you go. There you've been a blast, man. Thank you. You got it, guys. Anytime. Always a pleasure.

Check out the Straight Facts Homey Podcasts, wherever you get your podcast, subscribe on YouTube. Hopefully we're doing a lot more golf content on it. Yes, sir. Amen. Awesome. All right,

that was Trey Wingo, joining us on Subpar. What a beauty that guy is. As I mentioned, I got to do his podcast just a couple weeks ago. It does phenomenal work. Great stories.

I mean, his time was Stuart Scott and all those other legends over at ESPN. I about a little lunch with Tiger with Stuart Scott and then just run into MJ in the elevator. Literally run into him. Literally.

Yeah. That's a good day. Having an amount of so fun. Like that was the, like when you and I were kids, like that was the golden era. I feel like a VSPN and Sports Center, Stuart Scott, Trey, all those guys. Like it was, now it's like can't turn it on any channel without getting into some debate over whatever, politics, race, name it. Like that was back when it was just fun. Sports.

Like, dude, it's sports, but we're also going to have fun. It's not the end of the world. They were doing fun. And they did an unbelievable job with it. Yeah. They're doing fun facts during highlights. Yeah, exactly. During tennis highlights, it takes seven minutes to go through.

I mean, they did the. best job they set the bar. It'd be cool to see stuff kind of go back that way and just like, hey, this isn't life or death here. Yeah. We're talking about sports. We don't have to get into all that. And then the 9-11 stuff, I thought was super fascinating. How about when his- Also, that's a tough spot to be. Yeah, that was, like, do we be? Very tough. What do we do? Yeah, but they handled it beautifully. But how about his old news station saying, not, you can't even go talk to these ESPN people? Well, that's got aides. Bad contract. I'm glad eventually he went and did it because he's one of the best to ever do it.

We're there at ESPN. Doing great job now on his podcast, straight facts, homie. Go check it out. I need those coins for four months of free alcohol. Yeah. Where do you get those? That was a hell of a good deal. All right.

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