Suggestible - A Goose with Boobs

Episode Date: March 5, 2020

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You're a bit of a boob. It's true. I've got two of them. And then I live with one, so really I have three. I'm Claire, by the way. This is James, we're suggestible. She's talking about the seven boobs she keeps in a glass jar. Whose boobs are they?

I don't know. I was just talking about you, you boob. You big old boob. Well, then you've got four boobs, don't you? You're a boob. What are we doing? Talking about boobs. My name is Claire.

You're James. We're married. We recommend you things. Yeah, we try to. Do are we doing? Talking about boobs. My name is Claire. You're James. We're married. We recommend you things. Yeah, we try to. Do you like boobs? Yeah. Cool. Right.

Moving right along. Are you surprised by that answer? No. Do you want a more enthusiastic like, yeah. What do you want? Yeah, I feel like that would be better. What do you prefer? Nah.

Not really? Nah, you're more of a booty man. Oh, look, whatever, man. It's all good. It doesn't bother me. All right. It's all fun and games. It certainly is.

Until someone gets pregnant. That's right. And it's not so fun. Right. Well, we recommend you stuff that we've been reading, watching, and listening to. We do. Often, I say gentlemen's first. So I say it to you now.

Excellent. Gentlemen's first, you big old boob. I'm changing my catchphrase. You old boob. I just clapped. Everybody heard that. I know. It's audio medium.

I know. I am not okay with this. It's a show on Netflix. You're not okay with being called an old boob? I'm okay with it, Claire. You've worn me down so much. Yeah, you just look old and tired now. I'm a whittled stump of a man.

You're a shell of the form of man you used to be. It's called I'm Not Okay With This. Or boy you used to be. And it's based on a comic book of the same name by Charles Forsman and it's about a teenager navigating the complexities of high school family and her sexuality whilst dealing with new abilities. It stars kind of like supernaturally stuff. It stars Sophia Lillis, Wyatt Oldiff,

who if you've seen It, Chapter 1 specifically. Have not. Don't care. Don't like spooky clowns. It's a good movie. Coming out of greats. Second one's okay. Is there a clown that's in like a drain?

Yeah. By the side of the road? That's not the point of that book. That's all I know. Yeah, that's all you need to know. Is the clown out of the drain and kids are in it. Yeah, he lures kids into the sewer and eats them or whatever. He's not really a clown.

He's an extra-dimensional monster that you can't actually process when you look at him so he just appears as a big spider. A spider? I thought you said he was a clown. He is a clown. There's nothing scarier than a clown. There is many things scarier than a clown. Have you ever heard Mason's clown story?

No. I would have butchered it. But basically he's one major – he's talked about this before I'm sure, but he's one, this is from my more successful podcast, by the way. Oh, yeah, here he goes. Here he goes. We're catching up. His one regret in life was he was out in the middle of nowhere

in the country and he pulled up to a roundabout and very slowly this really old party van kind of took the turn and in it was like a really dreary looking guy. A really dreary. Really dreary. The rural juror. Yeah, the rural juror. Was a really dreary looking man in full clown make-up.

Wow. So he was either coming to or from wherever he was. That's a whole world. And he had his window down and Mason wishes, but he didn't because he was scared the guy was going to murder him. Then he wound out his window and went, get off the road, you clown. But he didn't do it and he thinks about it most days. He would do that too. Do you think that guy had one of those flowers at Spurtswater?

He got all that. He got the little cars. Yeah, oh, maybe. And the big floppy feet. No, he had a weird dungeon van or whatever he was driving around in. Oh, God. So they would have done some balloon animals for shiz biz. That's right.

Anyway, it's also starring Sophia Bryant. And so it's mostly about coming of age in a high school and how everything sucks and the most important thing is like Friends and the drama that comes with that. It's on Netflix. Netflix. But, again, there is that supernatural element of it, which I didn't really know going into it because I hadn't read the comic.

I'd never heard of the comic, which I think I will read now. But I would say, yeah, don't kind of go into it, you know, expecting that it's kids shooting lightning at each other and doing X-Men shit. Or old clowns squirting water. No, none of that. But it's kind of like about awkwardness and teenage drama and bullying and sexuality.

And the only problem I really have with it, that it ends very, very abruptly. Like it feels like there should be at least one more episode and there will probably be another season of this because Netflix's model is two seasons then cancel something. Why? Why Netflix? Well, again, we've talked about this on my more popular show.

Oh, here he is. Clown Assault. Where you and Mesa just plot elaborate heists involving clown makeup. We just do all this stuff. Yeah, just all the clown stuff. I was going to rob a bank. I think I'd like to dress as a clown. Why?

Ha, ha, ha, ha. Because I'd like to make people's day but also speak them out. And nobody would know me as a clown. But here's the question. How are you going to get away when you're in full clown makeup? You need to be able to blend into a crowd. Yeah, but I wouldn't wear the floppy shoes. I'm no idiot.

I'd wear my speedy-ass runners. But you've got that white grease paint all over your face and a big smile. Yeah, but then I'd put a balaclava over the top. Oh, yeah, and then you'd get away with it, wouldn't you? You'd just wander around the street. You'd slip into the night. I'd have that canvas bag over my back and then I'd be sneaking out like a robber. Not like a robber.

You would be a robber. Yeah, I would be a robber. Seems really hard to rob a bank these days. They've got those walls that shoot up. Do they? Yeah. If you've seen, most banks have like a strip at the counter and they've basically got this button and they press

and it just hammers the wall up. Oh, jeez. Yeah. There's like some kind of explosion in there. No, that's like really undone all my plans. Yeah. When I'm old, when I'm like 90, I'm going to rob a bank, James. Good.

I hope they shoot you. So anyway. Yeah, that's how I'll go out in flaming flames of glory dressed as a clown and all the way down I'll be shouting, get James, he's an old boob. I'm already dead though. I'm long dead. I've been dead for 60 years. Nah, we'll need to be around to witness it.

Oh, my God. I'm not going to bail you out and be like, I don't know, man. I don't know. You and Mesa can talk about it forever. Anyway. Anyway, so the reason that Netflix only does two series is because it's something to do with the algorithm of after the second series, it's sometimes third. It's not that it doesn't happen because it does, but you're not actually attracting any more audience members

because of a third season of a show. Oh, I see because the whole thing gets you to pay you however much it is, $12 a month. So if you see like this show, for example, if they were like the third season of I'm Not Okay With This is up, you'd be like, I don't know what that is. So it wouldn't matter to you. And because also you don't really often know what's coming up on Netflix.

I always look at like, because there is a tab for like latest and you can see what's coming this week, what's coming next week or some of the week after. But so that's essentially why. Because it's more cost effective to make a new show to draw people in than renew an old Keep going with an old one. Surely if it's like a cult show. There are exceptions. Yeah. No, definitely. Surely if it's like a cult show. There are exceptions, obviously. No, definitely.

If it goes gangbusters. Right, well, I actually also have a new Netflix show to talk about, a Netflix originale. Are you finished banging on about your crap thing? Yeah, I'm finished banging on about my crap thing. All right, cool. Excellent. I see you're looking at the time.

Stop sneaking around. I know what I'm doing. I'd just like to know how much time we've got, Claire. Yeah, yeah. You don't have much time left. know what I'm doing. Okay. I'd just like to know how much time we've got, Claire. Yeah, yeah. You don't have much time left. God, I hope not. I know. I'm going to sneakily get you in the middle of the night in a clown costume.

If I suddenly became someone who had a mental illness who decided to just always dress as a clown, like if that became my thing and that was the only thing that made me feel safe in the world, would you stay with me? I'm going to be honest. Absolutely not. Definitely not. But I'm so adorable. I'd be me.

I wouldn't be like walking around being like, ha, ha. The problem isn't that it's. I'd just be dressed as a clown. The problem isn't that it's you. It's the clown thing that's the problem. But we're married. It's in sickness and in health. In clown or not in clown.

There's nothing in that sentiment about clowns. Yeah, but sickness. D in that sentiment about clowns. Yeah, but sickness, dressing up as a clown permanently. I feel bad now. Someone dresses as a clown and likes doing it. Good on you, mate. No, it's an actual, like it's a proper lost art. Not lost, it's still happening.

The art of the clown. But kids now, and you've seen this because we go to kids' parties and they're the best. Just kidding, they're all the worst. That's your job. I really like giving people jobs in relationships. at a kid's party and they're the best. Just kidding. They're all the worst. That's your job. I really like giving people jobs in relationships. How many relationships are you in? A lot.

You don't know. I've got an undercloth at clown parties. You've got a lawn guy. You've got a clown makeup guy. Yeah, yeah. But, yeah, it's all superheroes and Elsies and whatever. But your job is to organise the kids' parties and buy the presents. Because I'm good at that stuff. You are really good at buying toys because you're a giant child.

Exactly. Anyway, continue. So it's all superheroes. Yeah, so it's all superheroes all the time. No, you continue because you were talking. Oh, yeah, okay. Let's get back to what this show is actually about. Apologies.

Goodness gracious, what's going on? Okay, so this Netflix series is kind of interesting. It's a really unique premise. I love a show that is kind of interesting. It's a really unique premise. I love a show that's kind of interesting. All right, here we go. It's Criminal with David Tennant in the lead as the first episode. I saw this. Yeah, it's interesting.

So this one is Criminal UK. What's kind of fascinating is they've actually made 12 total episodes with three episodes set in four countries filmed in local languages. So French, France and French, Spain, Germany and the UK. So all I could see through our Netflix is the UK version. I'm assuming because it's in English. And it's a British police procedural anthology series created by George K and Jim Field Smith.

Is David Tennant the bad guy? Because I see him on that Netflix image and he's got like, there's like a red glow to him. He is the criminal being questioned. So what's kind of interesting is it takes place exclusively within the confines of a police interview suite. So it just, it only really has one set. Oh, we have very similar things.

Oh, my next thing. Oh, cool. Yeah, so it's really stripped down and it's a cat and mouse drama which focuses on the intense mental conflict between the police officer and the suspect in question. So it's really an interrogation in an episode. So there's only three in the UK series. The first one stars David Tennant as the criminal. He's playing Dr. Edgar Fallon, who is accused of brutally murdering his teenage stepdaughter. For the first half of the episode, he really doesn't say anything at all. He just says no comment.

So a lot of it is nonverbal stuff. Sure. It's really, initially I was like, I don't know if I like this. Is it a little bit dull? Then David Tennant does his acting, right? Yeah, he's so acty. He's so acty. He does the eyebrows.

You did eyebrows then too. I wish this was a visual medium so you could see. James has got some spectacular eyebrows. There's some things that we can do in the audio medium that the visual can't. Clapping. Can't get that in a bloody TV show, can you? I think you can clap in a TV show.

Nah, not like this. Why did you call it a TV show? A TV show. Anyway, let me keep talking and stop clapping around, you clapper. I don't know what that means. It means exactly. You've got the clap. Have you got the clap?

I don't think I've ever had the clap. I should know if you've got the clap. I'll tell you if I ever get it. I don't even know that means. You got the clap. Have you got the clap? I don't think I've ever had the clap. I should know if you've got the clap. I'll tell you if I ever get it. I don't even know what the clap actually is. Anyway, so it's really quite, it's sort of, it builds, the tension kind of builds in this. And the acting is great. So the second episode, the criminal is Hayley Atwell.

Yeah, there's a third episode which I haven't watched yet. Yeah, she's really good. Are they all the same cops in each one? So it's like what's Hayley Atwell going to do in this episode? Yes, yes. So the cops are the same but the criminal is obviously different. She plays Peggy Carter in various Marvel movies. There you go.

She's real good. Yeah, so I really recommend watching it. I thought it was a really interesting premise and kind of magnetic watching really. It's gripping. And, yeah, so I won't spoil it. But, yeah, interesting. You sort of spent the whole time being like, did he do it?

Did he not do it? I don't know. Did he do it? I'm not telling. You've got to watch the old episode. But, yeah, worth watching. Okay. Cool.

On to yours. My second thing is quite similar. It's called The Guilty. It was actually recommended by my friend Nick Mason from my other podcast, More Successful. I get it. Mason's featuring her a lot in this episode. It's true.

If he can't be here in presence, he can be here and me endlessly talking about him. But it's actually a Danish film from 2018, co-written and directed by Gustav Muller, I think. No doubt I've said that wrong. Anyway, similarly, it's set entirely in an alarm dispatcher's centre. So you know like the 000 here or the 911 in the US or whatever they have in the UK, people would call in.

Oh. It's set entirely in that space. Is that what that place is called? Alarm dispatcher. Yeah. So it's alarm dispatcher. So it's people calling 000 or 911. Yes, and being like, help, my cat's stuck in my arse or whatever people do.

Yeah, my brother's a doctor and he said people stick all kinds of things up there and they try and pass it off as like accidentally fell on the end of the toilet brush. On this light bulb, yeah. Yeah. Oh, light bulb. Oh, that wouldn't do much to your colon. I don't think it would do much. I don't think it's designed to go up there.

No, no good. You would know. I would know. All right, continue. Not through personal experience, it's designed to go up there. No, no good. You would know. I would know. All right, continue. Not through personal experience. It's just by looking at it. I see those two things. I don't know. I'm suspicious.

And they should not be going together. I am suspicious. Anyway, continue. Anyway, it's about a former police officer who, for some reason, who you kind of find out a bit more as the story unfolds, he's been demoted to this position of answering his calls. And he's kind of very dismissive of like people and judgmental. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And then he gets a call, an emergency call from a kidnapped woman. Oh, no. And so it's from there when the call becomes disconnected that he backtracks and tries to find where she is, who she is, what the situation she's in, who's the person that's kidnapped her, about her family, and he's finding out all these clues just through ringing around and calling people from inside this dispatch office. And it doesn't leave the office.

And it's only like an hour and 20. It's not very long. It's not in English. It's subtitled. But it's very intriguing and very compelling, and there's twists and turns along the way as information kind of is revealed and reveals itself and people learn a lesson or maybe they don't and et cetera. Also, it's very grim.

Suspenseful. Grim. It's grim. I kind of like that though. You wouldn't like this one. The one thing I hate about subtitled things, which I know is probably a good thing. You have to pay attention.

Yeah, you have to pay attention. You can't be looking at nothing else. I was trying to edit last night and I'm like, a good thing. You have to pay attention. Yeah, you have to pay attention. You can't be looking at nothing else. I was trying to edit last night and I'm like, I can't. You can't actually do this. Yeah, you really lose the thread. There's a show called The Bridge that's on SBS that is brilliant and also The Tunnel. That's why I stopped watching Narcos because it's like half in Spanish

or whatever. That's a really like terrible indication, isn't it, of our attention spans, right? Totally. Yeah, ridiculous. Anyway, I also tried watching A Man Called Ove, really like terrible indication isn't it of our attention spans right totally yeah ridiculous anyway i also tried watching a man called ove which i think is an excellent film and it's subtitled but my i just i don't know i couldn't stick with it i think i might need to go back did you end up sticking in a slump did you end up did you end up sticking with it did not only got like

20 minutes in you should stick with it i don't't know. Grouchy old man. But it's supposedly touching and uplifting and wonderful. Yeah. Set in Sweden. Oh. Anyway, I've got something else to recommend now. I love recommending things. So your show is called Guilty. Where do you find it again?

The Guilty. It is on the SBS app, but. That is a terrible app. It's a terrible app with, as I said to Mason on my other more popular show. Oh, God. It's a terrible app with amazing things on it. Yes, amazing. And it has The Handmaid's Tale, all those things.

So I rented it. The Years and Years, which, gosh, so good. I highly recommend that one too. Yeah, you can rent it on the Googles. On the Googles. Give it a Googles, mate. Cool. All right.

So I have a few other things. It's funny that yours is called The Guilty. They all kind of connect. Introducing Uber Teen Accounts, an Uber account for your teen with always-on enhanced safety features. Your teen can request a ride

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You'll get peace of mind. Uber Teen Accounts. Invite your teen to join your Uber account today. Available in select locations. See app for details. Today, I'm recommending the Guilty Feminist podcast. I know, but I'm recommending one particular episode that I really enjoyed that came out recently.

It's on leadership. It's a live show in Melbourne, actually. I know Melbourne. Yeah, episode 189 with Cal Wilson, the comedian, who is great. She's also a children's book author, just wonderful, has bright red hair. She's cool. Deborah Francis-White, obviously, is the host, who I adore.

And their special guest on this episode is Julia Gillard, who happens to be our first and only female prime minister. Yes. And who recently was. What is this, bloody redhead bloody city week, was it? Anyway, who recently had her misogyny speech, which if you haven't watched, you really should. She does a massive takedown of the opposition leader,

Tony Abbott, in this speech. And it's just become like an iconic feminist speech. Wait, when was this? Not recently. No, this was like 10 years ago when she was prime minister. I know, I was going to say the opposition leader. I will not be lectured about misogyny from this man. I will not. She's so great in it. It's amazing. Anyway, it's just all come back recently because she won an award as one of the most iconic videos, I think. Yes. I can't remember by who.

It's a really great episode. Also, at the end, it has music from Grace Petrie, who, if you don't know Grace Petrie, she is a queer folk singer. Her album Queer as Folk is great. And she has two particularly excellent songs, one called Black Tie, which is kind of almost like a feminist anthem and it's really about her coming of age and coming into herself and her sexuality and trying to understand gender. Is it one of those things where like it gets stuck in your head and you just want to sing it? Correct. Then go on. All right. No, I'm not going to sing it. You can't, that happens out of my heart spontaneously, James. No, it doesn't.

And then the second song that I really love from the album is called Ivy and it's about the birth of her niece. It's just really beautiful and it's really about how she was at Glastonbury Music Festival and her sister rang her to say that she was going into labour and so Grace just drove all night to get to the hospital. Oh, cool. I know.

And the lyrics, one of the verses, I'm going to read you a little bit of it. Can you sing it? No, I'm not going to sing it. I want to get a sense of it. Stop asking me to sing now. I'm all embarrassed. We'll talk about your singing after this, but please continue. Anyway, the lyrics go,

and I can't wait to know the person you'll become and I can't wait to hear what music that you like and I can't wait to know the future as you'll see it and I wonder if I'll still be behind the mic and Ivy, maybe one day when you're my age, or maybe I'll be singing from that pyramid stage. And then the chorus is that once I drove all night from Glastonbury to meet you home, when you were ready to arrive, Ivy, how I drove until the sun came out to beat you home or way up the M5 Ivy. Anyway, it doesn't come across that well when I read it. No, it comes across really well. Yeah, it's really beautiful.

Sad thing about it is that baby turned out to be a real prick as well. No, she's six. Apparently she's cool. Cool. Who knows? And so I just think it's a really beautiful song and maybe Collings can play a little bit of it at the end of this episode. Not too much, Collings. We don't want to get copyrighted. We don't, but especially that particular verse, the second verse in that chorus. Oh yeah,

it gets me in the heartstrings. Why get Collings to insert it when you yourself could sing this very song for us? I'm not singing it. You love to sing, Claire. I'm encouraging your creativity. Why are you doing it? I'm weirded out. Normally you always tell me to stop singing and now you are. I actually never tell you to stop singing, actually.

It's really confusing. I'm confused. So what Claire has this thing, thing right if anybody around her specifically me starts to sing a song no she can't help but she can't help but railroad it and jump in she does it to buskers on the street if she's had a few drinks she'll do it to anybody one time i was alone and really drunk at like 3 a.m and i bust with a guy and made a whole lot of money at the front of home but Jacks. But another time I was – Did you give him the money?

Yeah. Okay. I made a whole lot of money and I got out of there. No, he offered it to me and he kept it. But that other time we were really drunk outside of Hungry Jacks, which is like a Burger King at like 2 o'clock in the morning, and my friends and you were there. And I started singing.

I knew it was awful but I just was like singing and your mate Joe was like, I thought Claire could sing. This is bloody terrible. I don't remember this at all. I think I was 80. I had no idea. You were eating your boobs. Joe told me after he was like, bloody, oh, my, that's bloody.

That's so terrible. Anyway, yeah, I do have that affliction that I have to sing. Yeah, I do this thing where sometimes I'll just run through like songs and see how many you will join on to. No, you don't. Yes, I do. You never told me that. It turns out all of them.

Whatever it is, I can jump from song to song and you will just go with me, whatever it is. I've never noticed that. You do that kind of studies on me, don't you? I do. You old creepity crew. Well, I have a couple of other recommendations as well. We've got time.

Yeah, we've got time today. Normally we're running out of time. So one is a bit just random, but I thought at the moment the world feels a little bit scary and I felt at a time, particularly I reckon during my uni days, I feel like there was big gaps in my knowledge about the history of the world and I kind of sometimes don't really know where to start with trying because obviously it's the history of the world and the history of humanity

and it's bloody long and confusing and there's a lot to read. It's easy. You start at the birth of Jesus and you move forward. That is all you need to know. That is correct. Everything after isn't, don't even worry about it. What are they doing, pyramids and shit and dinosaurs? Who cares?

Anyway, anyway, I wanted something like kind of easy to try and. I tried to read this once. Yeah, did you? And you hated it. It's fucking exhausting. Yeah, but it's called A Very Short History of the World by Geoffrey Blaney. I thought it was quite clear. It's good.

And the chapters are really great. It really just starts from the birth of human beings. Birth of Jesus. The birth of Jesus. You mean when the earth started 2,000 years ago or whatever? Correct, yeah. Anyway, I just found it really useful because it kind of puts into context a lot of big political and social ideas

and the Industrial Revolution and where we've come from, Gondwana and all the moving parts of the continents. Anyway. Does it clarify whether or not we are or aren't on the back of a giant turtle? It doesn't give a definitive answer, but I think maybe he does think that we are. Where's that from? That's from that show.

From Bunch Stuff. It's from mythology. No, no. What's the, you know, the series of books. Oh, my God. No, you know them. Michael Crichton. No, you know them.

Harry Potter. Fifty Shades. Shut up. No. You shut them. Harry Potter. Fifty Shades. Shut up. No. Shut up. What's the one in the universe like kind of set in space and they're all on the back of a giant turtle and it's really like complex language and funny and kooky.

It's like a bit sci-fi. Yeah. You know it and you're not saying it. You know it. you're not saying it. You know it. You're talking about. Stop making it like someone is listening to this podcast and yelling at the thing. You're talking about the movie Dune.

Oh, okay. I can't handle it. You know it. You always say it. You're talking about Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. Thank you very much. Is there a giant turtle in that? I don't know if there is.

Yeah, the universe is like on the back of a giant turtle. Is there? Something all the world is. I don't know. I can't remember. I've read that. I don't think. I can't remember. I've read that. I don't think that's it. It might not be in that book.

Anyway, I recommend this A Very Short History of the World if you kind of want to feel like you can fill in some of the gaps. Can I say that for a sec? Sure. You said, look, don't burn it. What? I don't know. Anyway, I just found it really useful.

Yes, that's one. My other recommendation. I just want to say at 479 pages, I should call this the really bloody long history of the word of my life I got him! You just threw my book across the room That's not true, Claire threw the book I love books

You are the worst person Alright, so Seeing as we've got a bit of time I got an email this week because Listeners, we have a bloody email address now Thank you to everyone who's emailed so far I'm trying to reply to everybody You don't get a bloody email address now. Thank you to everyone who's emailed so far. I'm trying to reply to everybody. You don't get a bloody email address on a TV show.

Correct. Anyway, it's suggestiblepod at gmail.com. And I just got an email today actually from Eric Lane and I wanted to just read it out and then see what you think. Dear Claire and James, last week my partner's father passed away unexpectedly. Claire, you've talked about your own experiences in the past any suggestions for Casey my partner on how to get through this difficult time and James any suggestions on how I can best support her also we typically listen to the podcast together so if you could give Casey a shout out hello shout out to Casey

shout out I'm sure she'd really appreciate it. Oh mate, Casey, I'm just so horribly devastated for you. And it's such a difficult time. I can talk about a little bit about sort of suggestions. I think part of it is just, you just have to get through it and grief just takes time and it presents in all different ways, depending on your relationship with your dad and all of those sorts of things. It does get easier but it comes in waves, I think. How are you about supporting me on that kind of note? What do you think? Listening is obviously a big part of it, not trying to fix things.

Like you be there and you help where you can. You know, you cook and you clean and you recommend things that you could do together and, you know, surround yourself with friends and family and whatever. But there's not really anything you can do or say for a person other than listening, I would say. I think that's – And just being there.

Yeah. Because being like, don't worry, like, he's in a better place or whatever. It's not – I mean, if that's what you believe, then yeah, obviously. There's not really anything you can say, I feel, necessarily. Yeah, I think you hit the nail on the head there. I think that oftentimes we want to jump in and fix things for people or sometimes what happens too is that when people go through really devastating times in their life, people stay away

because they worry that they're going to upset them or they're going to say the wrong thing or that they need to be left alone, you know, with their family. And what I found is actually the most beneficial is just showing up for people and don't ask them what they want because they will always say, I'm fine. People don't want to say, I want a casserole or something. Yeah. Show up with a casserole. No, but when I'm a casserole or something. Yeah. Show up with a casserole. No, but when I'm serious, I'm being serious. Like obviously as her partner, that's different, but that's just advice for people in general. You could ask friends to do. Yeah. But you just,

you just turn up and you show your love however you can. And often just being there with that person, checking in with them all the time, not putting it on them to be there. They'll just tell you to go if they're not happy or they're not able to be with you at that time. They'll tell you. But I think asking people what they need is often hard. I think also, listen, telling you to go doesn't necessarily mean go, go. Because I remember when your dad passed and then that weekend I had a Bucks party and you were like, you should go and whatever. And I'm like, I'm not going obviously. And I didn't. And I think you probably would have been fine with it. But I just like, you just kind of, you just don't.

Yeah. Obviously. Yeah. I didn't, I'd forgotten that. It's the races anyway. I'm not going to fucking race. Well, that's true. Yeah.

But I think it's. Yeah, it's being there, right? Yeah, it's being there. It's being there, right? Yeah, it's being there and listening. Yeah, and you'll probably, you know, maybe they'll lash out at you for whatever. Not that I'm saying that you do this, but you might, you know, you might be at the brunt of some of it at some point and I think that's – Just staying there. Yeah, just staying there, yeah.

Staying in the room. Yeah, I think something that does help me is that I feel like whatever your sort of religious belief or beliefs about death, the world is just so much bigger and more magic than we can ever understand. Or smaller and less magic. That's what I think. No, but I know that for some reason that phrase really comforts me. And I've noticed that since my dad passed, there's just been times where I've

really felt him with me for, I don't know, in small things, in big things. Is that big picture in your mom's house? So when you walk in, you go, ah! Yeah, there is a big picture of my dad. I don't know. And sometimes it'll happen in the most unexpected places. Like I remember I was walking the pram down the road and my dad always said that if you do have to walk on the road for whatever reason, you walk towards the coming traffic so that you can see them coming rather than them coming behind you. And I was just walking around the neighbourhood

and had to walk on the road for some reason and I just burst into tears, you know, in that moment. So sometimes grief comes to you in the small things. It's sometimes also hardest after everything like finishes. So the six months, the year after everyone starts to go back to their normal lives, the funeral's over, and then there are those moments where your dad's not there and you just wish that he was.

You just want to talk to them. Yeah, you just want to talk. When things come up in your life, when you need your car serviced or you have a question and you can't ring them, I think those are the toughest times. But, yeah, there have been times I've just really felt my dad with me. Sometimes it'll just be I'll be going for a walk in the bush or something and some birds will fly over, the sun comes out,

and I just really feel him with me. So I think be gentle, be kind to yourself too, Casey, because it is tough and your family has to all cope in their own different ways so giving people licence and space to cope with their grief in the way that they cope with it. And some people might take 10 years for them to come to terms with it. For other people, like for me, it was so immediate. And so I had got a lot of my grief out, I think, in that first year,

but processing it however you can and staying in the room. There's also a beautiful song that my family and I listen to by a singer songwriter called paul kelly called meet me in the middle of the air and i think that that it's just a beautiful song it is it's sort of it's based on some words from the bible but it's not particularly religious and i think that you can come to that song from whatever your belief system in the world is um and that idea of sort of meeting him in the middle of the air. So anyway, my thoughts are with you, Casey, and Eric too because being the support person is always a bit tough too.

Yeah, but it's way better than the grief thing. There is a podcast called Grief Cast as well which is quite good to listen to too. There's also a Star Wars character called Grief Carga. That's unrelated. But if we're talking Greef. Anyway, hopefully Eric's a better partner than you are. No, James has been amazing.

The other thing is you want to buy a samurai sword and you want to pledge your blade to your partner. So if any enemies be coming up on her, you can defend them. Yes, correct. Exactly. That's what I would do. I think that's fair. Also, booby could defend them. Yes, correct. Exactly. That's what I would do. I think that's fair. Also, booby trap the grave.

Yeah, totally. Correct. I'm all about booby trapping a grave. You are. That's how you want to go out. Anyway, yeah, so that's – thank you, Eric, for writing in. And now we've gone over, Claire. Oh, my goodness.

Okay, so review, James. You know I've got one here. It's from Gabriel. It says, so relatable. I've been listening to James and Nick at the Weekly Planet. That's it. All right. And my girlfriend keeps looking at me like I'm some sort of widow,

which I believe I am, and so is she. And that's why I think this podcast is magical. Mixing up banter, nicknames, jokes, and most of all, great suggestibles. You guys have saved us a couple of hours thinking on what to watch. Keep up the amazing work. You can do that in-app as well. It really helps the show. It totally does.

Give us the five stars. If you think so. Even if we don't deserve it. Nah, but we deserve it. We deserve it. We need all the things we get. We deserve it. I just realised I haven't actually given a recommendation,

so I'm just going to do it very quick. Sure. This is from Liz Lefevre. Hello, Claire and James. Love the pod. You guys are great. Let's get right to it. I'd like to suggest a

book i read recently that i loved it's called the seven deaths of evelyn hardcastle it's agatha christie oh i love groundhog day it's a mysterious and suspenseful and brilliant book and the blurb goes like this evelyn hardcastle will be murdered at 11 p.m there are eight days and eight witnesses for you to inhabit we will only let you escape once you tell us the name of the killer. Oh, it grips you right from the start and I couldn't put it down until I finished, which happened to be around 3 a.m. Cool. I've seen this before somewhere.

Thanks, Liz. Yeah, it sounds great. It sounds so far up my alley. It might as well be called Claire Alley. Do you think? They should have called the book Claire Alley because I don't think it would have sold as many, to be honest. Oh, Lord.

Anyway, thanks so much for the recommendation. Oh, no problem. Not you, you goose. Oh. You big old goose. Oh. Just have it. What's got you to me today?

I'm like a goose with boobs with a big boots on. A big boots or big boobs? So now, in my brain, you are no longer James. You are a goose with boobs and A big boots or big boobs? Yeah, so now in my brain you are no longer James. You are a goose with boobs and wearing old boots. Cool. Honk, honk. Look at my old boots. Honk, honk.

Shaking my boobs. And that's just me squeezing my boobs, am I right? Yeah. All right, that's the show. Next week, Claire, what have we got on? This again, I guess. Same old, same old. The same old thing. We're're gonna have to take a break soon

aren't we for when the baby's born maybe or something yeah maybe maybe we won't i don't know we can talk we can talk for half an hour we might just have to have a little babes in the room oh my god i probably will be watching a lot of netflix because i'll have to sit around and feed with my boobs weird god life is weird Don't you think life is weird? No. It's pretty straightforward. Imagine feeding a human being with your body. I won't.

I won't imagine that. Weird. No, it's not weird. It's normal. Like I'm also coexisting with a babe in my body. The phone's ringing. Are we going to go? Because that's the president of podcasting.

We're being promoted. On a daily basis. Yes, I will become president. All right, goodbye, everyone. Goodbye. Bye. the future as you'll make it Yeah I wonder if I'll still be behind a mic Cos Ivy maybe one day when you're my age Well maybe I'll be singing from that pyramid stage

That once I drove all night from Glastonbury To meet you home when you were ready to arrive Ivy How I drove until the sun came up to feed you home All the way up the N5, Ivy And being early for someone was a first for me But I thought my heart would burst if you got there before me And all the way home, all I thought was How I can't wait to tell you this story

I think Thanks for waiting for me Thanks for waiting for me To arrive Let me just say thanks for not bringing labour on Until Sunday night and halfway through Kasabian Because who the fuck cares about Kasabian And thanks for not coming during Dolly Parton

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