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Episode Date: August 5, 2021

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No, it's as always a kombucha. That's right. And I did my traditional bing bongs, which will now be done until perpetuity. Forever. Until perpetuity? Or like for perpetuity. Is it for or to? It's definitely in.

But it could be. Out. Up and out in perpetuity. Up and over. Up and over and down. Hello. Welcome to Suggestible Podcast. We are married.

My James is Claire. My name is Claire. Yeah. James is here also. We are married and we suggest things to you to read, watch and listen to while also, as one reviewer said, talk about our impending deaths. That's right. And you, the listener, your impending deaths, not just ours.

Yeah, correct. Look, James, you're very philosophical today. I'm half vaccinated, Claire. I'm feeling better already. Hey, it's pretty good. Yeah, how are you feeling in general? I'm fine, a little bit tender, but it's fine. It's all good?

Yeah. I mean, I don't know. We'll see how I wake up tomorrow because it depends. Yeah, it does. It takes a little while. It depends what shot you get. It depends, you know, how you react and whatever, but no, so far. Excellent.

Well, I'm having mine next week. We did them a week apart just in case we had some. One of us dies. Yeah. Oh, Lord. Or both of us dies. Well, there you go. I mean, that's the only sure thing, right?

Death and taxes. Yeah, it's good to. Ba-doom-tsh. Very good. But it is good to finally get it done because it's like, I don't know what the vaccination rate here is, but it's one of the worst in the world. Yeah, it's pretty low.

The invalid world, I should say. Yeah, and it's mainly due to our government messaging. Yep. And really the only way to get through this, right, is for us all to get vaccinated. That's right. But what are you suggesting this week aside from medical science? Yeah, correct, that I love.

Oh, I'm so excited. Okay, so I am suggesting a very old film and then my podcast. Oh, my God. But I'm going to suggest the film first. Can I say film again? Say film again. All right. It is 9 to 5.

Yes, and you would be right that there is a song, Working 9 to 5 on a way to make a living by Dolly Parton, which is excellent. And the movie is actually like the thing that happened first, and it's produced by Jane Fonda, which is really interesting. It came out in 1980. Right. And what I loved about it was I deep dived for my interview on Tons with Maria Angelico who's

an incredible actor in Australia and she said this is her favorite movie by far and I watched it and now it's my favorite movie too it is so funny it is so weird yeah and it goes really into like a really trippy space that I just did not expect. It takes this like massive turn and he's just super, it's a bit dark as well in spots, but it's so comedic. And the chemistry between Dolly Parton, Lily Tomlin and Jane Fonda is just amazing. And it was so groundbreaking for its time. So basically the premise is free working women live out their fantasies of getting even with and overthrowing the company's autocratic as they call him sexist egotistical egotistical lying hypocritical bigot boss played by dabney coleman yeah and so dabney coleman yes he would apparently

he's actually a really nice guy but in this he plays like a really horrible boss now he is always cracking onto dolly parton and i playedlly Parton and I played for you. Oh, this guy, yeah. Yeah, I played for you a little portion of the movie where Dolly Parton says this really iconic line about, I'm going to turn you from a rooster to a hen in one shot. It's all about him like sexually harassing her in the workplace. It's so great.

Lily Tomlin's character is this like really kick-ass amazing woman. Dog, relax. Calm down, dog. Dog, we're talking about feminist movies from the 80s. He stood up and he's told her to be quiet and she still won't be quiet. Is there a possum? There's usually a possum. Something out there.

Or a man with a gun. Or a woman. Yeah. Or a woman. Women can have guns too apparently. Anyway, Lily Tomlin's character is like really good at her job but men keep getting promoted above her and she actually trained the boss character and he's like he looks at her over for a promotion

and it's just really interesting they kind of fall into this friendship. Jane Fonda is like the new woman at the workplace who's like learning the ropes of everything and initially they all think that Dolly Parton's character is sleeping with the boss because he put that rumor out there and it turns out it's wrong. And what is so great about it is that the themes are really groundbreaking as well for that time. So as soon as Dolly Parton says, no, I'm not sleeping with him. He made it all up.

The women believe her. And even in that in itself, the friendship there is amazing. There's a lot of great scenes of them like multitasking, like sorting out something with her kids while also, on the other hand, typing a letter while also faxing something. And Lily Tomlin's like super wisecracking and great. Lily Tomlin's 81. Yeah, she's bloody awesome.

I mean, Grace and Frankie is one of my other favourite shows. Yeah, well, I never made the connection but, yeah, that's the link. Yeah, and this is where they met. So Jane Fonda is such an amazing activist and she's done so many cool things, one of which was this movie. She was the complete brains behind it. She just imagined that Dolly Parton, because this is right at the start of her career when it was just taking off, And Lily Tomlin she saw do a stand-up comedy bit and was like,

I can see this working as a movie where they're secretaries and it's going to be awesome. And it took like a year to convince them both to do it. Jane Fonda's 83. Yeah, she looks bloody amazing. They're such incredible women and she's like a fierce climate activist. I mean, Jane Fonda as well, really interestingly, her workout video, which is still one of the highest grossing workout videos of all time.

No surprise. She says in an interview that she feels really embarrassed by a lot of it. She says it's semi-pornographic but that it actually really works and that she donated all the proceeds to charity. Oh, really? I didn't know that. Yeah, yeah. So she's done a lot of charity work and she's just badass.

Like she keeps getting arrested. Yeah. So often. She was one of the first but anti-Vietnam activists. Yeah. Yeah. She got a lot of flack for that. Turns out she was right.

Yeah, well, she's super smart and really obviously talented as well. So I just love that because they've now had like a 37-year friendship that started on this film and I just love it. So it's so worth watching. You can get it on Disney+. If you haven't seen it, I hadn't seen it. It's on Disney+. It was on Netflix.

Yeah, it's on Disney+. Either way. Either way. And it's worth it even just for that Dolly Parton scene. It's so good. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. And also at the end of the – oh, actually I won't spoil it.

Because I do want to watch it. I like the feel of like a lot of these 80s. They've got this gritty kind of like – it's like New York probably, is it? No. It's not? I don't know where it's set. I don't know. Whatever.

Yeah, it's not New York. I love that aesthetic of like the – not the office, but like an 80s kind of bustling city and workplace. Do you know what I mean? You know, like a Ghostbusters or that kind of like the – not the office but like an 80s kind of bustling city and workplace. Do you know what I mean? You know, like a Ghostbusters or that kind of like. Yeah, totally. That vibe, you know what I mean?

Yeah, it's really cool. And it's just so weird, which is what I love about it. And it was so groundbreaking for the time. And the second highest grossing movie of that year or something like that. Was that right? Yeah, yeah, exactly. Second highest grossing film of 1980. Yeah, behind Empire Strikes Back.

Yeah, yeah. That's crazy, right? It's weird that they didn't make a bunch of stuff like this. Or maybe they did. Well, I mean, it was just so unusual for this to get off the ground. Or even a sequel or something. I know, it's weird, isn't it? It started off as a drama written by Patricia Resnick as a screenplay

and then Jane Fonda, to get Lily Tomlin on board and Dolly Parton, she kind of realised it needed to be a comedy and so then Colin Higgins came on board and he kind of rewrote it as a comedy, which I thought was really interesting or directed by Colin Higgins. Yeah, I think that is all really interesting. And then Dolly Parton said the only way she would do it is if she could also write the theme song, which was so clever. And the sound, like the ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch in the start

of the song is actually Dolly Parton's acrylic nails. Oh, is it? She felt like it sounded like typewriting. Yeah, right. And she was writing it while she was on set. And then she got all of the women in the cast to sing on the record. Ah. Which was also really cool.

She was like this sort of secret underground feminist. It's just amazing. Dolly Parton's amazing, man. Oh, my God. She's so amazing. I mean, all three of these women are powerhouses even still. Yeah. So smart, so clever, so talented.

I started watching, I fell down a rabbit hole of watching Lily Tomlin's comedy. Yeah, right. Bloody hell, it's good. Yeah. God, she's so funny. Like she's in her 80s and she's fucking hilarious. Anyway Tomlin's comedy. Yeah, right. Bloody hell it's good. Yeah. God, she's so funny. Like she's in her 80s and she's fucking hilarious. Anyway, that's it. That's my recommendation.

Terrific. I will watch this because I do want to watch this. And I will watch it. I'm going to watch it. I actually really think you'll really enjoy it. No, because what I saw, because I saw bits of it when you watched it and I was like, oh, shit, okay, I've got to watch this. I don't want to come in at this point.

Yeah, no, you know why I think you'll like it? Because it's weird. Yeah, I like that. And it gets weirder. So would you say people should watch it and then listen to your podcast episode about it? Yes, I do because then Maria, I talk to Maria about a lot of things. She has this incredible story about her mum who was an 80s feminist

and kind of a very Dolly Parton-esque kind of character. And then she talks about how she landed this starring role in what is ostensibly Australian TV royalty. So Imogen Banks. Maria did. Okay, right. So Imogen Banks is this amazing TV producer who produced some of our most famous female-led TV shows like Offspring.

Oh, right, yeah, yeah. Yeah, Puberty Blues, Paper Giants. And so, yeah, I won't spoil it but there's this incredible story about how she got this lead role in this TV show and she went from not having done very much at all to leading, like starring in this show that's now available on Netflix. Ah, what's the show? Sisters.

I know about this show. It was really cool. And also Stateless, I don't know if you saw that on the ABC. Yeah, she's in that too. Oh, wow. Okay. Excellent. Terrific.

Cool. All right. What's yours? Speaking of quality TV, this show is called Kevin Can Go Fuck Himself, right? It was created by Valerie Armstrong. It stars Annie Murphy, Eric Peterson, and Mary Hollis. Inberden, you might know the lead. She is from Schitt's Creek. She's the sisterberden, you might know the lead.

She is from Schitt's Creek. She's the sister or the daughter, whatever you want. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. And so in that she's kind of this ditzy, flighty kind of Paris Hilton-esque kind of character. But the idea of this is it's like a spin on like King of Queens and Everybody Loves Raymond, like those kind of sitcoms,

you know what I mean? So it's like the husband's a buffoon and he's always like drinking and joking and watching sport and wrecking stuff and the wife's coming in and she's like, don't ruin everything, Kevin. And he's like, I've already cut the coffee table and offered the chainsaw or whatever, you know what I mean? Like stuff like that and it's all laugh tracks and gags and all that.

But then as soon as she leaves the room she's then like it switches from the sitcom format to this single camera like grim like kind of like it looks it looks more like a breaking bad kind of show and then she's kind of left with the consequences of this guy that she lives with so it's constantly switching between these two styles throughout the entire thing so he lives this like carefree life of whatever. And she's like, like there's all these, there is hints of like physical, but there's also very, very obvious like mental abuse that it's taken, that's taken its toll on this woman.

Like over the, like the 10 years of that, that she's, you know, that they've been married because, you know, she's dealing with the real world and like money and there's drug addiction and all of these things that he doesn't see or acknowledge. Do you know what I mean? But again, she goes back in the room and then it's like, Kevin's up to another scheme. He's having a war with the neighbours or whatever.

Do you know what I mean? It's stuff like that. Anyway, so she decides to kill him and that's the premise of the first season. So basically in a nutshell it's King of Queens slash Breaking Bad and it's great. It's really good. And, look, none of the characters are perfect because she's planning

to murder this guy, you know what I mean? And then you see people who kind of she's got a, well, she's not really a friend but she becomes a friend who can move between both worlds kind of effortlessly and she does it because it's just easier, do you know what I mean? If she's like, I'm one of the boys or whatever and then, do you know what I mean? So it's just, it just makes her life, you know, better in a way. But until they kind of, they form this kind of connection and it becomes looking like finding a way that's, you know,

to murder him and essentially get away with it. Like that's the idea. But, yeah, it's funny like in two ways. Like if you like a sitcom like King of Queen, you know, something like that, then, yeah, you get that but then you get something like much that's much more darkly funny and deeper. But it's also like they obviously overlap into each other, you know what I mean?

Yeah. And there is moments where characters like are kind of dragged from one to the other and you see like there's a real difference in them because there's even a difference in her when she's with him, do you know what I mean, when in the room and they kind of like ignore her jokes and like, what are you even talking about or whatever, and she kind of just goes along with it. And then, you know, he leaves and she's just like, fuck.

Yeah, it's so good. So all 13 are out right now of the first season and you can, so you can purchase them in a number of places. I think it's on Apple and a number of other things if you do want to. But, yeah, Kevin can go fuck himself or Kevin, yeah, or Kevin can fuck himself. And who wrote it? It's created by Valerie Armstrong because she wrote it because she was

in a writer's room where she wasn't getting a whole lot of stories through. So she kind of wrote it out of frustration. And I've always like, those sitcoms I've never really particularly enjoyed. I'm more like, you know, out of adolescence at least, you know what I mean? Like your home improvements and that kind of stuff. It's like, you know what I mean? It's just not, not that there can't be depth in shows like that because they can. But yeah, it's just. It's like, you know what I mean? It's just not. Not that there can't be depth in shows like that because they can. But, yeah, it's just interesting to highlight like the kind of stereotype that it pushes.

Do you know what I mean? Because there's guys like that that exist or even like lazily kind of fall into those patterns because it's easy. And look, I'm sure I'm guilty of that also. But, yeah, it's great. Check it out. That sounds amazing. Yeah, it's really good. It's so interesting to me that idea of But, yeah, it's great. Check it out. That sounds amazing. Yeah, it's really good.

It's so interesting to me that idea of a woman in a writer's room because Jess Perkins and I talked to her on Tom's again. Anyway, I'm talking about my podcast. Get over it. You've got a podcast. You've got two. One of them's this one. Anyway, I was talking to her about how many women actually

are writing on teams, right? Yeah. And usually it's like one for every ten is kind of the average, right, of like women versus men in riders' rooms. And that's the Gina Davis Institute has done some really interesting research on this. And obviously it's dependent on the show and all of that stuff. But overall, and this is in Western kind of TV,

that seems to be the case. And Jess said this thing. She was like, what is it like to be that woman on the team? Yeah. Like the one in the room of ten. And that to me is really interesting about Valerie. I've listened to her episode. What did she say?

I'm trying to remember. Oh, she was just saying like how frustrating. I hadn't thought about it before like that. And she was like, well, how frustrating would it be to be that woman who has to keep putting up your hand? Because the statistic is once you have at least one woman on the team, immediately the female characters in the show have more lines, have more to say, have more screen time and the diversity kind

of grows in a show. Yeah. And because those sitcoms traditionally have that idea of the woman who is kind of like, oh, stop it, Tim. And she'll have an idea and she's like, and they're like, that's the stupidest idea I've ever heard. And then he's like, wait a minute, what if we did? And he'll say like the same idea.

Yeah, yeah, exactly. I think, you know, people get their ideas stolen like all the time. Or their ideas ignored and then somebody else suddenly comes up with this idea. Yeah, totally. And anyway, Jess was just saying from that perspective it must be really frustrating and also exhausting to constantly be that person in the room. Yeah.

Rather than just getting on with the writing of it. Jess is amazing as well. She's one of the funniest people I know. Yeah, she's so funny. Ridiculous. Why wouldn't you listen to Jess Perkins? She's delightful. Exactly.

Anyway, yeah, so no, that sounds great. I'd really want to watch that. Well, I bought it so you can. Excellent. I certainly will. All right, my turn again? Yes. Yes, it's my turn.

We're being so nice to each other tonight. It's great. Good. Politeness is underrated. It's good for you probably. It totally is. So I have a fun recommendation and I have a darker recommendation. What should I go with? What do you feel like tonight? Let's end on a downer. So I have a fun recommendation and I have a darker recommendation. What should I go with?

What do you feel like tonight? Let's end on a downer. So let's go fun first. All right. Okay. Oh, no, because the other one I'll save for next week. So you'd prefer a – oh, because you've got a downer. Oh, no, I don't have a downer actually.

I've got a nice one. Oh, okay. Well, maybe I'll do a downer then. Let's do it. All right. So this is a show called Innocent. It's on the ABC here but it's a BBC show and it's a British anthology TV series produced by TXTV Productions.

And so the first series stars Lee Ingley as David Collins and I haven't seen that series. So I can't recommend that one because I haven't watched it. I've only watched the second series. Why did you skip it? Because I didn't know it existed because this show just came up on ivy and your mum actually recommended it to me because she knows how much I love

a murder mystery. So it's not a continuation or it's a new cast? No, they're an anthology. No, so it's like, it's a complete story within itself. Yeah, yeah, got it. And so I didn't realise it was the second season until I went to research it. Yeah. So I haven't seen the first one, but I am going to watch, go back and watch that now. The second one,

the story is, it's about a boy called Matthew who's 16 and he's brutally murdered in the Quiet Lake District. Five years later, the accused is found not guilty and released from prison. It's like broad church. Yeah. Now, it opens with his teacher who is accused of his murder and who is acquitted. So it opens with her trial and the trial where she is,

after five years, found not guilty and released. And then it kind of, she goes back to her hometown in the Lake District and she was his high school teacher. Her husband left her when she went into jail and has since, or has got a fiancé and is about to remarry. And so she's kind of dealing with the fallout of losing everything in her life. Right.

And her mother, when she gets out, so has dementia. So while she was in prison, she was writing letters to her and it turns out someone in the home was writing letters back that it wasn't her mother and she didn't know that. Why? Well, because they thought her mother would die before she would be able to see her mother again because she had a really long sentence because she was convicted of murder.

Okay, gotcha. So basically the premise is that this poor woman's life has just completely fallen apart and because she was proven without doubt to not have done it, there was evidence that came to light later to show she hadn't done it, it now is kind of up to the police to figure out who actually did kill this boy. Yeah, right. And so it's just really gripping. It's only four parts.

It sounds really interesting, yeah. Yeah, it's really interesting because they go back through the history and the layers of all the people that were there at the time and he was this kind of really charismatic kid who a lot of people, a lot of girls at the school had crushes on. He was a lead in the show. You're talking about me? You're talking about the show?

Yeah, I'm talking about you specifically. Thank you. Especially me. I have a crush on you. Wow. I thought I would wait until now to tell you. I'm not interested. So I'm married.

Fair enough. Oh, well, at least I've shared my heart. People I don't know. I'm just texting all my friends how embarrassing you are to have done that. No, sorry, go on. I am. Anyway, so, yeah, the police, it is really interesting because one of the reasons that they thought she did it

was because a girl in this boy's class said that she saw her making out with him. So the layer of it is that not only is it that she was accused of his murder but that she was accused of having an affair with a 16-year-old boy. And so the whole town sees her as this kind of like pedophile, I guess, really, which wasn't true either. And so but they were hanging out a bit because she was helping him because he was troubled at home.

And so anyway, as the story kind of unfolds, it takes a lot of twists and turns and ends up somewhere quite unexpected. So it's Australian? No, it's British. Oh, you did say that. But it's on iview. Correct? Yeah, exactly.

It stars Catherine Kelly, Andrew Tiernan, Priyanka Burford and Jamie Bamber. And it aired in 2021 so it's just like quite fresh off the press. That sounds great. I'm going to check that out. I'm going to watch that tonight because I need something to watch tonight. It's good. Yeah.

It's interesting. Or I can watch Suicide Squad 2016. Or 9 to 5. I could watch 9 to 5. You totally could. Yeah, but actually I think I'll watch that. Yeah, it's good. I just watched Broadchurch so I finally finished Broadchurch

so I'm like I feel like, yeah. Oh, yeah, this is a good – it's not – yeah, it's in a similar vein to Broadchurch. It's got that similar vibe to it. And because it's only four parts, yeah, it's good. And, yeah, it's got all the characters in the town and you kind of get to know all of them in different ways. Yeah, it's good.

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It's on Apple TV Plus television channel. Why did you say it like that? I don't know what it's called. But it's also the directorial debut of Bryce Dallas Howard, who people might know more commonly for acting. She was in one episode of Black Mirror. She heads up the Jurassic World franchise, Running Around in Heels. Yes, yes.

She's in the best Spider-Man film, Spider-Man 3. Not the best, but, you know, she's good in it. Is she also in an episode of Black Mirror? You said that, Black Mirror. Yes. You did say that. It's about where everybody's ranking each other on a phone. Yeah, yeah, I always remember that because I feel like that's

very similar to the Uber ratings. Yes, that was the idea. You got the subtext. Well done. Shut up. I am nothing if not very clever. What if society, what if technology too far? Yeah.

He stopped making it. What's his name? Charlie Brooker was like, everything's too too far? Yeah. He stopped making her. What's his name? Charlie Brooker was like, everything's too sad. I'm going to stop making Black Mirror. Yeah, because we actually feel like we're living in a black mirror. Yeah, there's Black Mirror knockoffs and I don't care for it. But anyway, she's also, she's doing more directing now because she is the daughter of Ron Howard,

a famous director who started as an actor in Unhappy Days and he's directed like Apollo 13 and Willow and a bunch of stuff. He's a good director. Anyway, and now she's doing The Mandalorian. She's directing The Mandalorian stuff. Anyway, so this documentary is about dads around the world. So it's like stay-at-home dads, single dads, immunocompromised dads,

same-sex parents, dads with sick kids, and it kind of jumps from story to story about dads that not always, but more often than not in kind of uncommon or what wouldn't be seen as traditional roles, do you know what I mean, in family roles, and it kind of explores that, and the whole thing is intercut with celebrities, famous people, telling kind of their stories just to camera about what it's like to be a dad and their experiences of it. So it's got like Judd Apatow, Jimmy Fallon, Kenan Thompson,

Conan O'Brien, Will Smith. So it's really interesting how it kind of, I think both sections work and it's kind of balanced really well because it's like, yeah, celebrities are funny and whatever and they'll do a little joke and whatever, but then it cuts to like a real thing of like there's a guy in Japan who got sick so he decided to stay home and look after his kids and then he got better and then he was like, I'm just going to do this, which is really uncommon.

Yeah, especially in Japan. They've got really traditional roles. Women basically do the bulk of all of the child raising. Yeah, but he's like, I love it and I will never go back and this is something I find really fulfilling. And he's like, now I'm much more sillier and all these kinds of things. And it's just, yeah, it's interesting because it looks at, you know, it doesn't take aim at like traditional stuff by any stretch,

but it just shows that like you can have, you know, more involvement if you want to, do you know what I mean? Yeah. Which is also depending on your circumstances. There's a lot of people they do that it's like I'm so tired, do you know what I mean? Yeah. Which is also depending on your circumstances. There's a lot of people they do because it's like I'm so tired and, you know, it's not going to be a situation. Yeah, it's really hard, yeah.

And whatever. So that's definitely a part of it. There's a few really great quotes from it which I'll just mention a couple of my favourites. Jimmy Kimmel on the birth of – on his wife giving birth, I think I said this to you, where it's like she's Batman and you're not even Robin. You're one of the tyres on the Batmobile. That's quite funny because you do, you just feel helpless

just standing there like everybody in the room has a role like except you. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, I thought about that before. You just kind of stand there and you hold your hand and you like say good job and whatever but it's like, yeah, that's all you can kind of do and you kind of stand there and you hold your head and you, like, say good job and whatever. But it's like, yeah, that's all you can kind of do and you kind of feel like a moron being there. But also you want to be there, at least, you know what I mean?

Yeah, yeah. I didn't feel like you were a tire on the Batmobile. No, well, you were doing your own thing, so I don't think I was the concern. But we've talked about this story before. It's really funny. A friend of mine who's a teacher um a woman that he works with was telling the story about how when she was uh when she was in the middle of labor I might have I might have told this on here but who cares uh the nurse handed him like a cloth like a damp cloth to kind of you know to mop her brow and he goes oh thank. And he wipes his own face.

And she's like, never. Like, let him forget it. Which is so funny. But also I can see, like, in the moment it's stressful, you know what I mean? And, like, I can see how you would, you just, you'll kind of lose track of, because I remember the last kid that we had or you had was a cesarean,

if you're comfortable with me saying this. Yeah, it's fine, yeah. And I'm coming into the room and they're like, okay, she's around this way and there's just this like, it looked like a circus tent in the middle of the room and there's just tarps everywhere and there's nurses and doctors and I didn't even know where the fuck you were, like among it. Like they're leading me around and I'm like,

I don't even know where I'm going and it's like one room and they're like guiding me by the elbow and I'm like I don't even know where I'm going and it's like one room and they're like guiding me by the elbow just like and I'm like what what's happening kind of thing I just remember because I was lying down yeah all I could see is like blue sheets and the doctors are all talking to me and then I just see your head pop up in a shower cap yeah exactly just like hi it's me I'm here and you have that look on your face where where you always do when things are really terrible but you're trying to be really upbeat. And you were like, hey, how you doing?

But what I wanted to say about the whole Batmobile tyre thing was that it's interesting that you feel like that because there is no, like the idea when the pandemic hit, the idea that you couldn't be there. Yeah. Oh, now I'm going to cry. Made me terrified because you are the person that keeps me calm and makes me feel centred and grounded and safe. Even when I'm like, hey, I'm here too.

Look at your little dumb face. Not dumb, just beautiful. I just, I'm going to cry because those moments, I'm at my most vulnerable and they're really can be frightening. I know women have really positive experiences too, but for me they were both times were frightening in different ways. And you being there was the only face I wanted to see other than the professionals. But like genuinely it meant the world to me that you were there. Well, yeah. Cause you got someone who's, you know, can go into bat

for you, I guess, you know. Oh, but also, but you can't underestimate, I was speaking to a midwife recently who said one of the major things for women when they're giving birth is that they feel safe. Yeah. And you make me feel safe. Oh, cool. And I am. Yay.

But anyway, so yeah, so even though you might feel like you're, what is that saying, useless as tits on a ball or something? I know for so many of my friends and for me anyway, as tits on a ball or something. I know for so many of my friends and for me anyway, you there as my person just and holding my hand even though at the time it might seem like I'm not even noticing because I'm just in excruciating pain was the thing that kept me going. Like a magician show.

Yeah, totally. That's what happened the second time. Jesus, I'm tough. I know. That's what happened the second time. Jesus, I'm tough. I know. That's amazing. Like I don't know how you did it twice in two different and equally terrifying scenarios. It was crazy.

I just remember being on my phone out the front and then they're like, because I saw the room and it was like an empty room and I'm like, and they're like, just sit here. And I'm like, yeah, yeah, cool. And so I'm just on my phone as they're like tying you down to the bed or whatever they do. And then coming in and I'm just like, oh, shit, this is the room. I didn't even – this just looked like an empty room.

I didn't realize that this was the room. I just didn't expect it. This is where it's happening. This is where my wife's being sawn in half. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. God.

Yeah, well, that documentary sounds amazing. I just – we had a great chat after you watched it. Yeah, it's cool. I really liked it. Yeah. Well, I think it was – yeah, because I think I said to you like, yeah, I like having kids because I don't think I reflect on it enough. I'm just like, oh, I'm so tired.

But I love having kids. It's like it's great, you know. It's really cool. I mean it's a pain in the ass and you're always exhausted. But it's good. One other quote that I just want to mention, this is from Will Smith. He says when we left like the hospital, sorry, when we left for the hospital it was just the two of us

and when we got back now there's this dude and he lives here forever, which is true. It's just like another person. It's just like here you go. Yeah. This is for you. Yeah, I know. It's so crazy, isn't it?

Crazy, yeah. I love that thing that you said about how there's a dad watching, he's like, look at this. And like he unwrapped his little boy and the baby just does that big stretch up and their tummy goes. Yeah. And it's just like. When you've got them all cocooned up and then you unwrap them.

Yeah, then they stretch up. Like, whoa. Like a little cat. And it's so beautiful. What is so great about being a dad for you? I don't know. It's fun. It's like reward. I is so great about being a dad for you? I don't know. It's fun. It's like reward.

I mean, it is exhausting and all of those things. And also I don't – I'm also the person to be like, if you don't want to have kids, you shouldn't have kids. Yeah, totally. That's fine. Yeah. But for me, like it's just – you know, it's just something – I don't know how to explain it.

It's rewarding and it's fun. It's amazing like seeing them grow and seeing them happy and all those things. And it's heartbreaking, you know what I mean, when they're going through their little problems or whatever because you can't solve like every little thing even though you technically could but also it's like you shouldn't because that's bad for them at the same time, you know what I mean?

Like if a kid's mean to them, you could easily just run in and like just punt that kid across the playground if you wanted to. But you shouldn't. For lots of reasons, one of which is the police, but yeah. Yeah, do you know what I mean? So it's like, yeah, but it's just amazing seeing them like have like little personalities and stuff. And so much of that is from so young, you know what I mean?

You see so much of them and maybe I'm reading into it, but it seems like you see that stuff like carry over as they begin to talk and their personality like a lot of the time it's already there, like their temperament at the very least, you know? Yeah. Totally. What about you?

Yeah, I love it. I think it's like unwrapping a present as they get older. So far, we haven't hit the teenage years yet. Maybe that'll be like a present we want to return. Yeah. And I think the age that our kids are at the moment is both beautiful ages too. That's the other part of it I think. Like five is cool.

Yeah, it is. Five is a cool age to be and a cool age to be in the world and to be around. And one is also the same, I think. But, yeah, I just feel the further we get into it, the more privileged I feel, the more I'm enjoying it, I think. And I think for a lot of reasons it was really difficult for us at the very start. But in a way, as with most things in life, because it was so difficult,

it also has become the most rewarding thing. Yeah, definitely. And the thing. Seeing them read and stuff, it's like, what? And our daughter's like starting to talk. I know. It's so weird. Isn't it?

That's what I love. I love the privilege of getting to see this little person start to become who they'll be, you know, and the questions and the funny, silly stuff. Yeah. And the things that surprise you they come out with that just make me laugh so much and, you know, like my son and I have been really getting into the Olympics and just like sitting with a little buddy watching

the Olympics and his questions about it. You see the world in a whole new way. And, yeah, you're right. When you're so tired and you're dealing with everything day to day, you can get really bogged down in it all. It's also different for us because we're both at home a lot of the time. Yeah, and that's something I think. A lot of the joy I can get from that is because I'm not going to work

from nine to five and then coming home, you know. Totally. And I think that's. I think I'd be a completely different person, you know. Yeah, and I think that's part of the joy for me. Not that it can't be done because obviously it can. No, it can in all different ways, in all different. Kids can come into the world in all different types of families

and in different structures. But for me that's the other part of it that I've loved is like getting to hang with you and see you be a dad and just you just are growing with this little person. Yeah, because it's like every year that they grow you've never had a five-year-old and then you've never had a six-year-old. And so you're also and they're different, like they're both different because we're not just because we've got a boy and a girl but that yeah but they just

are such different people different so it's like when like you learn you know the same way that they do and you're like oh shit i fucked that up yeah exactly i had a really interesting chat today with the psychologist carly ah coming yeah yeah um darren, coming back. Marty's sister, yeah. Yeah. Darren McGoran is his name, I believe. Yes, correct. Yeah. Yeah, Carly McGoran. Anyway, and she was saying this that.

Ronald McGoran. How annoying, Marty McGoran. Anyway, and Carly, oh, my God, she had so much to share. I just wanted to bottle her and then give her to every person that I know. Yeah. Because, like, everything she said was just so wise and so great for little people but big people and all of the stuff. But she said one of the things that will sustain you through the teenage years

and all of the difficulties and raising kids is that you're building a relationship and you're opening. The best thing you can do for your kids is keep open communication and start it from when they're really little. Yeah. So that means talking about how you're imperfect and when you're upset and why and when you've made the mistake going in there and talking about why you've made it and talking through why you did the thing and why you should have done better

but that you're just keeping the door of communication and having all these really imperfect conversations about bodies and sex and why, you know, we do the things we do and the, you know, scary things about life and, I don't know, a question about robbers or whatever it is, villains or like, you know, death or whatever full-on things your kids bring up to you, you just want to keep having that open communication of like thousands of imperfect little conversations that build that relationship. And rather than thinking that you have to have like one big scary conversation about big scary things. And then you're like, it's done.

Yeah, and it's done. And I never do it again. It's more like thousands of imperfect. And she said every time you get it wrong, you have another day to talk about it and get it right again. Yeah, exactly. And no one gets it right and no one's done this before. But the worst thing you can do is to not have that communication.

And I just thought that was so great, such great advice. She said no parent is perfect. No one's done this before and knows exactly what they're doing. Yeah, so you just have to, you know, take the pressure off yourself. Yeah, exactly. In that way and just be imperfect. Yep. But consistently open to talking.

Don't scrub too much because you'll ruin them for life. Oh, God. But, you know, I just felt like that's how your kids want you to be, like set boundaries and be firm and be their protector and be, you know, fight for them and fight for who they can be and all of that stuff. And that often means not being their friend, right? Yeah. But that relationship you have with them, I think that's the same

with teaching, right? Yeah. Don't you think? You can't be their friend. It just doesn't work that way. But just because you can't be their friend doesn't mean you don't have a strong relationship. Yes.

It doesn't mean you're cold and like standoffish. No. And I often found, don't you think in behaviour management with kids, the kids that you could get to were the ones that you had built a relationship with. Totally. You understood them. You know what they needed.

You know they knew that you might not want them, you know, you might not agree with everything they're doing and you might disapprove of their behaviour but you know they knew that you cared about them. Yeah. And that you knew about, you know, what was best for them. You took an interest in them. Absolutely.

Yeah, definitely. Don't you think? I just think anyway. I don't know how we got into that but I thought that was really valuable you know, what was best for them, you took an interest in them. Absolutely. Yeah, definitely. Don't you think? I just think anyway. I don't know how we got into that but I thought that was really valuable advice for parenting. Totally. And here's some valuable advice on how to review the show. It's in our –

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Anyway, this is from Fernando. Hey there, Claire and James. Hey. Fernando here. And after beginning my binge on Suggestible, I've quickly become a fan. I'm suggesting a theme. I'm hearing a theme. People are binging our show. I'm loving it. I'm loving it, Fernando. I'm loving it. What's that? McDonald's.

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I'm surprised you haven't. Two of your favourite things, musicals and zombies. I don't know if I can do those two things together though. Let's see. Let's see. I think you two might get a kick out of it as well. It's basically about a group of friends trying to reach their loved ones during a zombie outbreak.

And it's funny, charming as heck, and the songs are darn catchy. And it's set during Christmas. Oh. Oh, keep up the amazing work. Thanks, Fernando. I will. And thank you for the recommendation, Fernando. Oh. Oh, keep up the amazing work. Thanks, Fernando. I will, and thank you for the recommendation, Fernando. Excellent. Yeah, so email us at sedeswapod at gmail.com.

And that's it for this week. That is it. And I'm very happy to say that we've finished the show. It's done. Yes. You did it. You made it. You've won it.

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Okay. So I hadn't won it up until this point? No, but I told you. I changed my mind. I told you I had a crush on this episode. I'm just looking. There's a – spoilers for the – Collingswood or Lincoln for the show, the movie Blood Red Sky.

If you've seen it on Netflix. It's like Die Hard on a plane but with like a twist. Spoilers if you don't want to know the premise. But it turns out that the main person who's doing the John McClane thing is a vampire, right? So she's a vampire fighting terrorists on a plane. Anyway, I watched it. It's great.

It's really good. It's dubbed weirdly but it's good and we know we always come up with like dumb names for things. Yeah. And then Weekly Planet Posters makes up those posters. Mason had one which was his is mid-air high dracking, like as in Dracula. Oh, nice.

So that was his suggestion. And my suggested title was, is there a fucking Dracula on this plane? Look, his obviously is more well thought out. But I prefer mine. But I think I prefer yours. You've got a big laugh. I just like the idea of one of the terrorists being like,

is there a fucking Dracula on this plane? Anyway, it's good. Anyway, let's go, Claire. I love it. idea of one of the terrorists being like, is there a fucking Dracula on this plane? Anyway, it's good. Anyway, let's go, Claire. I love it. All right, that's it. Goodbye, goodbye. Thanks as always to all colleagues for editing the episode. Fucking Dracula on this plane?

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