Suggestible - Happy 35th Birthday Claire

Episode Date: September 26, 2019

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Starting point is 00:00:27 And people can live their lives however they like. Yeah, but that's offensive and unacceptable and you shouldn't do it. That's where I draw the line. Why not? You watch and listen to many things all at one time, like some kind of media octopus. Let's just talk about different mediums here, though. Not two podcasts at the same time.
Starting point is 00:00:45 Yeah. All right. But you can watch something, be looking at your phone and working on a computer on your YouTube. Yeah. Absolutely. I don't know why I said it like that. Anyway, boring.
Starting point is 00:00:54 Hi, I'm Claire. You're James. Yep. And we suggest things for you to listen to one at a time. We certainly do. Yes. And so there's the second rule for this podcast. One, gentlemen's first.
Starting point is 00:01:04 Two, always watch and listen to things one at a time. Yeah, that's what you said. I'm saying you can't listen to two podcasts at the same time. Oh, but other things you can multitask. You can mix your medium so you can read a book and listen to something is what I'm saying. No, I am the definitive dictator of this show, and I say one thing at a time.
Starting point is 00:01:26 You Gen Xers are all the same, mate. No, no. And I am the queen of doing many things at a time, but you never do them properly. You're also not a Gen X. One thing at a time. I thought you would flip out on that. Yeah, I know.
Starting point is 00:01:35 I turned 34 this week and even your mother thought that I was 35 because you have been like incepting the idea that I'm 35 and just a year older than I am for like 10 years. Everybody's confused now. Everybody is confused. Anyway, get on with your recommendation. I don't have a lot of time left. I'm old. As people may have gathered from this conversation that I have made a habit over the years of being as annoying as possible. It's like one of my greatest strengths, just be an incredibly annoying human being on a day-to-day basis. One would say it's your gift, your only gift.
Starting point is 00:02:16 Yeah, I would not deal with that. I've probably toned it down over the years, don't get me wrong, but it's still in me, you know what I mean? I still like to use it. It's fun. So this is why my first recommendation, suggestible if you will speak to me it's called untitled goose game uh it's by actually a melbourne uh video game studio called house house it's out on multiple platforms so here's the description if you're unaware of what this is
Starting point is 00:02:40 it says featuring a horrible goose that's, a town full of people trying to get on with their day, and a dedicated honk button. So basically, it looks like this storybook world. When you open it up, your head pops out of a little hedge, and you'll wander around, and you just bother people. So you steal the hat off a farmer, grab all his stuff and throw it into the lake, scare people. So when they're hammering something, they hit their own hand and fall over. I wish, listener, you could see the hand actions that are going with this description.
Starting point is 00:03:11 I have to say, I don't like video games, except for Zelda, as previously mentioned, and Mario Kart. This may be now on the list of my favourite video games. You won't play it though. I think you're well beyond being able to use the controller. I love it. Because there's too many it though. I think you're well beyond being able to use the controller. I love it. Because there's too many buttons now, I think, these days. I think you've been out of the game for too long.
Starting point is 00:03:30 Too simple minded. No, I'm just saying. To play a game where you just run around being a goose, throwing rakes at people. That's not how it works, Claire. You're not throwing rakes, you're stealing rakes. You're just being a bothersome goose. It's like a stealth game.
Starting point is 00:03:44 If anyone ever played like the Hitman games or whatever, it's a much simpler version than that. So it's like, you've got to kind of sneak up on people and like, and just like you take the keys off their belt and like, and lock them in something or whatever. It's just a really, like it's short and it's fun. It's not, it won't change your life, but what games do? But it's just like a brief kind of weird fun storybook world
Starting point is 00:04:06 where you're just an annoying goose who just annoys people. And pulls people's carrots out of the garden. I actually had a visceral reaction when I saw the goose pull a tulip out of the garden because a tulip takes like freaking six months to grow. Oh, no. You have to put it in early at the exact right time and then they only flower for like a few weeks before they go a wiltier growth.
Starting point is 00:04:26 Yeah, exactly. So if someone pulled my chulip out of the ground. He puts it back though. Mate, I would kick that goose up its wazoo over the fence. Geese are rude and annoying animals, but it's fun to be around. Your dog loves them. He thinks they're watchdogs. He said when he was on the farm, he used to have geese as watchdogs.
Starting point is 00:04:42 He also had dogs though, so I don't know what he's talking about there. He had that little tiny dog. You can't have two different types of watchdogs it's offensive he had a chihuahua that was like this tiny tiny dog that would just round up yeah and it was a terrible dog it only it hated everybody but him yeah i feel like he trained i'm like why did you get this dog i never met it but i'm like why did you get this your dad has the same trait as you he likes to bother people people. That's true. He is annoying. You are a goose. He likes the long con kind of prank as well.
Starting point is 00:05:08 Yeah, your middle name is Goose. Yes, it is. Yeah, Jimmy Annoying Goose. That's my name. Anyway, look, Untitled Goose Gap. It's really cool, and it's fun that it's a Melbourne studio. I think that's really cool because there is some good games being developed in Australia, but you don't necessarily know where anything comes from necessarily,
Starting point is 00:05:26 but there's like a really small team and it's fun. It's a real blast. So bloody check it out if you love Goose. Untitled Goose Game. I also enjoy that title. It's cool. Me too. All right, my turn?
Starting point is 00:05:36 Yeah. All right, so this is also an Australian artist. Oh, you're doing a video game as well? Yes, I am. I'm doing a video game about an artist that bothers people and pulls out their bloody hard-grown tulips. No, this is a documentary, actually. It's called Storm in a Teacup.
Starting point is 00:05:51 It follows, it's created actually by Naya Pericles, who is the daughter of the famous Australian artist, Leon Pericles, and it really chronicles dementia in a really kind of intimate setting, but also her father's setting but also her father's art career at the same time because her mother Moira Pericles, who was really instrumental in creating Leon's career, has dementia. And so it kind of shows what... At quite a young age as well.
Starting point is 00:06:22 Yeah, in her 50s, like very young. Why I loved it so much was that I didn't really know anything about Liam Herakle's art style as well. And he's created this whole gorgeous world called Widgimurfup, which is, or Widgimurfup, which is, it's just like ridiculous, farcical nonsense characters all set kind of in an Australiana world. But all his artworks are kind of interconnected and he was just outlandish and crazy and one of those people you know with sort of grey curly hair kind of springing off everywhere yeah um he lives in WA by the beach
Starting point is 00:06:58 and you can just tell he was he just had that kind of like realisation that there are no rules. You know, like he got all of his mates in like the 70s and early 80s to build this ginormous kite that was just the biggest kite they'd ever seen and they won all these awards all over the world and he got all his mates involved to build it. And it's just the most beautiful sight to see. And in the doco, they show footage of the kite back when it won awards in China and all different places and then they pull it back
Starting point is 00:07:27 out of its wrappings after 20, 30 years and let it fly one more time and it's just the most poignant, beautiful film. What I also loved was that Moira, his wife, was really the reason why he was so successful. Yeah, he would have just been making weird shit that nobody saw. Yeah, and he even said that, that a lot of his mates wished he'd been married to someone like her because she was obviously so together and so clever and so strategic
Starting point is 00:07:50 and just worked so hard to create a life for him. She raised his kids basically while he was off creating, you know, crazy, exciting, incredibly like intricate. Making big kites. Yeah, but also really intricate. A lot of his work is print work so he does these really really yeah yeah so really really intricate work and paintings as well um and just the seeing her through her daughter's eyes and they have two kids so um naya and then her brother
Starting point is 00:08:20 it was just such a beautiful moving look at a life lived together as a couple and what they had built out of art and creativity over so many years and the impact they had on so many people. Like his volumes of work, it was kind of mind-boggling. At the end they have a big exhibition and it's just hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of paintings flown in everywhere. Tim Minchin, one of my favourite musical guys, he wrote the musical Matilda and is just a comic genius.
Starting point is 00:08:50 He lived around the corner from them and spent a lot of time at their house. So he was friends with Naira and he's featured in the doco as well, talking about what it was like. He said at the time he would go there because it was like a bohemian refuge as a kid because they had this kind of sprawling house with this incredible garden and yeah um he just the world kind of reminds me a little bit of roald dahl-esque yeah it's definitely element of that yeah that kind of vibe i think it's interesting as well because it's not i mean there is an exploration of like you see her going downhill
Starting point is 00:09:18 and she's still quite lucid and you know she's joyful joyful all this kind of thing but she's obviously you know not the person she used to be. But seeing how not only, you know, they struggle with that, but also the impact of her not being around and organizing the art shows and kind of being the backbone of this family and how having that person, you know, disappear somewhat, how that changes the dynamic for everybody, for the worse. Yeah, absolutely.
Starting point is 00:09:43 And he's really like like well not they're all struggling with it obviously of course yeah but he obviously struggled and then but also he becomes the role of her carer and yeah um with her father's permission kind of really shows a light and what it's like to be a carer um for someone and particularly for a spouse or someone really close to you and how often they're unsung heroes. They don't get talked about. People who are doing that kind of care work for loved ones with dementia or cancer or illness just do so many hours of selfless kind of microwaving food but having to do all the other stuff as well.
Starting point is 00:10:19 Yeah, little things, yeah. Yeah, and so I just thought it was just a really beautiful documentary. It's currently on the ABC iView at the moment in Australia, but I'm sure you can also get it online and you can find it. Also, just go and look at his art. It's so beautiful. He did an etching for Moira, which is a lighthouse surrounded by an ocean of flowers and there's kind of flags from different countries
Starting point is 00:10:43 that spell out her name and it's just the most incredibly detailed, beautiful piece and it's sort of flags from different countries that spell out her name. And it's just the most incredibly detailed, beautiful piece. And it's sort of got musical notes everywhere. Because even though she doesn't have any long-term memory, she's not ever necessarily really sure where she is, she always had this incredible love of music and particularly string quartets. And you see a scene where they sit together and they're just listening to this music and you can see her eyes are closed and she's just absorbed yeah and there is something in watching someone who is so present like there's nothing else there's no like kind of false ego or
Starting point is 00:11:16 anything she's just completely joyfully herself and i mean i'm sure there's obviously dark moments of confusion and lots of other things too but she immediately, even at the art gallery opening, she's walking around and he's dressed her so beautifully and she just sees a blue colour on someone's top and is just taken by the colour of it. Yeah. And there's something kind of magical about that. Anyway, I just thought she seemed like such an incredible woman
Starting point is 00:11:42 and they together had a beautiful marriage. And continue to. And continue to. And continue to, exactly. And Nia Seem's really cool. She's a producer and works at Artemis Media, which makes a lot of incredibly interesting stuff. So that's our recommendation. You can get anything you need with Uber Eats.
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Starting point is 00:12:19 All right, Claire. Do you, knowing that you have, have you seen the movie Yesterday? Yesterday, all my troubles seemed so far away. Yesterday, all my troubles seemed very much in the forefront. Now it looks as though they're here to stay. That is true, yes. Oh, I'm married to Jimmy Goose Clements. That was terrible.
Starting point is 00:12:42 I didn't enjoy that. I'm sorry. I hope nobody else did But listen up everybody The movie yesterday Suddenly Oh god I wish this podcast was 12 minutes long
Starting point is 00:12:52 Because then it would be over So this is a movie directed by Danny Boyle Who's one of my favourite directors He directed the movie Sunshine Which is one of my favourite movies of all time It's a sci-fi movie in space Where you gotta go and reignite the sun If you haven't seen it check it out
Starting point is 00:13:03 It's really good It sounds ridiculous You never talked about it I You can never talk about it. I know. I should talk about it more. It's also Mason's favourite movie, and if you ask him on Twitter, he'll definitely agree. But basically, so it's directed by Danny Boyle.
Starting point is 00:13:13 It's written by Richard Curtis. People probably know the story of this, but it also stars Himesh Patel and Lily James. And it's essentially, this guy gets in an accident. He's a failing singer-songwriter. He's mediocre, I would say. Would you say that's a fair assessment? Yeah, he's not terrible.
Starting point is 00:13:31 He's clearly got really great skills on guitar and a good vocalist, but his songs are a bit like... Yeah. So he then is thinking about quitting music. He's like, I'm going to go back to teaching. Can you imagine? That's the worst thing I've ever heard. Imagine. Oh, my God. Go on back to teaching. Can you imagine? That's the worst thing I've ever heard. Imagine.
Starting point is 00:13:45 Oh, my God. Go back to teaching. Just the thought of that. No. But he gets in an accident, and when he wakes up, he lives in a world. It's essentially the same world that he's been in before, and everybody still remembers him and everything else, for the most part, except people have forgotten the Beatles,
Starting point is 00:14:01 like in their entirety. They do not exist. Their music doesn't exist. Maybe the Beatles themselves, the people who are in the Beatles, like in their entirety. They do not exist. Their music doesn't exist. Maybe the Beatles themselves, the people who are in the Beatles don't exist. Things that have a flow and effect from the Beatles don't exist, like Oasis, for example. I thought that was a funny joke when he's Googling the Beatles and like the Rolling Stones still exist and then he Googles Oasis
Starting point is 00:14:17 and they're not there and he's like, yeah, that figures. I like Oasis. Yeah, so essentially it brings, he has this opportunity to create some of the most iconic music of all time and claim it as his own and become very rich and successful and so forth. What did you think of this movie, Claire? I really, I enjoyed it because it was fun and romantic and gentle and reminded me how much I love The Beatles.
Starting point is 00:14:42 I mean, it's not life-changing. I don't think it's about time, which happens to be one of my favourite films, and it's not as good as Love Actually. Richard Curtis, who wrote this, he's written like four weddings and funerals, and he's directed About Time, which is I think also one of my favourite movies. Love Actually, people probably most know him for. So he doesn't direct anymore, but this very much feels like more of his film than it does a Danny Boyle film.
Starting point is 00:15:05 You kind of got that cast of wacky friends and you got that one particular friend who's a bit of a bloody dropkick, but he's just making a go of it or whatever. You know what I mean? You recognise the kind of Richard Curtis tropes and obviously the love elements. But yeah, it's definitely not his best movie. I was watching it and I think I said to you afterwards that it feels like it's more like kind of fairy floss in a good way. I don't mean that in like a sickening way.
Starting point is 00:15:29 No, it is. Yeah. I did actually, it occurred to me while I was watching it and just because it's happened to me a lot recently where I watch things and I go, man wrote it. I can tell. And I never used to think that. I used to just watch rom-coms and be like, oh, the magical world. But now I'm looking at it and it's the same in a lot of his films. And it's not a bad thing.
Starting point is 00:15:52 It's just the lens he's looking at. Usually the romantic lead that's a woman in films like this, like of his particularly, is in love with the kind of like hopeless guy. And she's always like smart or great and interesting. And either he hasn't noticed yet or he's not good enough for her. And she kind of gets to be this character that is kind of a little bit one-dimensional, like a little bit, like she doesn't have the humour, you know, that she doesn't get to be funny in the same way.
Starting point is 00:16:28 I don't think she has her funny moments in this, but no, I see, I see what you're saying. And I, that's probably more prevalent in, in some of his other movies than this one, but there is that kind of element of why would she waste her time following this fucking loser around. I'm not saying that doesn't happen, of course. He's not a loser. He's just, yeah. No, no.
Starting point is 00:16:49 But he's also done that thing that he does, he did in About Time with Rachel McAdams, like Lily James and Rachel McAdams are two stunning women. Yeah. And he does that thing where he's like, she's got glasses and a fringe. She's got curly hair. Can you believe it?
Starting point is 00:17:01 Oh, my God. So she must be nerdy and no one will notice her except they're both stunning. And that's why they fall for the nerdy dude or whatever. And I love it. And part of it is fun to watch and I like both of their characters. I liked the friends part. See, I thought the friends kind of lacked the depth of some of the other ones.
Starting point is 00:17:21 Like Notting Hill, I think, is an example of a really good cast of friends. It's such a good movie. Those dinner party scenes in Notting Hill, I think is example of like a really good cast of friends. It's such a good movie. Those dinner party scenes in Notting Hill. They feel really real. Yeah. They're my favourite part of that film. Yeah. These didn't feel as much like that.
Starting point is 00:17:33 No. No. They don't have enough time. No, that's probably true. I did really enjoy his manager though. Kate McKinnon. Yeah. I thought she was hilarious.
Starting point is 00:17:42 I thought she was also in the end like i'm not a spoiler but she's kind of unnecessarily painted as a villain and she kind of gets her comeuppance in the end and i'm like did you really she's just kind of doing what music executives do and she's very upfront about we're gonna take a bunch of the money because i'm a music executive and whatever we need to change your image because you look terrible. And she calls fame the poison chalice, and she's open about how it's horrible in some ways, and he kind of agrees. I think because it lacks a villain, I think. But what I thought was the most interesting element of it,
Starting point is 00:18:17 the love stuff is fine, it's all pretty standard stuff, but he's putting in a dilemma where he has access to these songs, who's the only one who does. And it's kind of one of those things, he can hold on to them and not profit from it. But is that selfish because is the world better off for him releasing this music? Even if he does take credit and even if you feel like a fraud,
Starting point is 00:18:38 wouldn't the world be better off if Sgt Pepper's Blown the Hearts? Yes, and the answer is absolutely, infinitely. I mean, hey, Jude. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, I know. I just think, but it's, I think it, it's, it's interesting the way they kind of look at that and he's, and he struggles with it in the way that other people approach him about it.
Starting point is 00:18:54 I think that that's, that was the kind of the most interesting element for me. Yeah. Yeah. What did you think of Murie? Well, that's a spoiler. Oh, sorry. Spoiler alert. I'll put a time code in if you want to get ahead.
Starting point is 00:19:05 It's not a massive spoiler, but what did you say? Yeah, what did you think of John Lennon? Yeah, good. So I think it's Robert Carlyle who's Hamish Macbeth. It's a Hamish Macbeth, is it? Yeah. He's also a Bond villain. He's in Trainspotting.
Starting point is 00:19:18 People would know him from things. Is that his name? Robert Carlyle? I don't know. Yeah. Anyway, let's say it is. But yeah, so at one point, we can just spoil this now, I guess. People have seen it.
Starting point is 00:19:29 It's been out for a thousand years and it's still in cinemas. I think it's about to hit streaming. But he visits John Lennon, who's 78. So because John Lennon was never in The Beatles, he was never shot in the 80s. So there's this sense of like, well, has he done the right thing? Is this a better world because John Lennon got to survive? And I feel like also this version of John Lennon that's shown in the movie is a better version than the real life John Lennon,
Starting point is 00:19:55 who by all accounts was a bit of a massive prick. Was he? Yeah. Oh, I have this like romantic notion of John Lennon being like, Yoko, peace and love. I mean, he said all those things, but he also did some terrible things. Oh, look, isn't that? Everyone's at some point an annoying goose in a video game.
Starting point is 00:20:12 That's very true. I was doing it just today. Anyway, I would recommend, I probably wouldn't go see it at the movies, but it's a good date night movie and I really would recommend settling in and watching it on a cold night. And the music is good as well like they do good covers of they do i mean the beat i was gonna say the beatles yeah i know the beatles music is just okay so like across the universe for example is another it's a beatles musical where
Starting point is 00:20:37 a lot of the reinterpretations they do are really good and some are like yeah most of them are pretty good this is pretty much straight just re-recordings that mostly sound like the originals. Yeah. I mean, it's good. It's the Beatles, you know, so what do you do? Yeah. It doesn't really – for me, what I loved about listening to it
Starting point is 00:20:58 was reflecting because they play his music in one of his songs and then he just like apparently just magically can play all these incredible songs and he has a battle off with Ed Sheeran and they both write a song in 10 minutes and he sings a song and it just reminded me again of how universal those songs are and it's really hard to put your finger on what it is that makes a song so iconic that everyone cries yeah but it's and I guess it's like any art, right, or any film. You can go to a film and then kind of almost question your entire existence and why you would ever bother to sit in a dark room and watch a screen.
Starting point is 00:21:33 Or when you read a book or whatever. Yeah, and then when you hit on a song or a film or a book that is just life-changing, you suddenly, that is why we're here. Doesn't happen very often, but yeah, I know you, man. Yeah, yeah, exactly. So, no, really good. I'd recommend it. Can I do mine now?
Starting point is 00:21:52 Yeah, sorry, just really quick. I just wanted something else I wanted to say. Yeah, I've still really, I've still been thinking about like, if I had this, I can't play music, but if I had this knowledge, what would I do with it? You know, because I'd have to learn to play music to release the Beatles songs that I know which is you know not all of them but I don't know I just think it's really interesting kind of dilemma to pose I also think that if there were no Beatles and then they released them now I wonder if the songs would even land no they would and I
Starting point is 00:22:18 think that's what I same way that they did because you know that something that's revolutionary in the 60s and and because they say they're so much fed from their music no i i there's something timeless there's something timeless like you see hey jude performed by paul mccartney in a stadium and everybody's singing and you know there's just something about their music that is universal because, like we said before, it captures like something true about human experience. And I think that that is why when you get that feeling when you watch a reader listen to something, it's that, oh, that's me. I felt that.
Starting point is 00:23:01 And that's why I love About Time because there's moments in that film where I go, oh, God, I know that. Somewhere true, somewhere deep down. About Time's incredible. I was about to say, if you want a good Beatles cover, Ben Harper does an excellent cover of Strawberry Fields. Yeah, I love that. Yeah, it's really good.
Starting point is 00:23:18 I mean, I Am Sam also has some covers of the Beatles, right? From that album, yeah. Yeah, that's a really great album. I mean, I really also liked Across the Universe. Yeah, me too. Yeah, I Want to Hold Your Hand. The cover of that is brilliant. Oh, look, there's just so many covers of those songs
Starting point is 00:23:33 that are breathtaking and then some that are just terrible. Agreed. But, you know, that's the brilliance of their songs, that they can be translated to so many different – And I love music. Oh, here he goes. Okay. Can I do mine now?
Starting point is 00:23:48 Fine, Claire. I mean, that was ours. I brought that to us together. Oh, together. All right. Okay. Well, excellent. I get an extra one then.
Starting point is 00:23:54 What? Woo-hoo. Okay. So it was my birthday this week. Who cares? Okay. Well, I care because I'm now 35 or four or something. Who knows?
Starting point is 00:24:05 And my sister sent me this beautiful book. It's a recipe book. And it came along with a beautiful little book of recipes from my family. They're my sister and my brother and my mum. My other brother's in China, so he's going to add some later. He better. Wrote in it. But it was such a beautiful suggestion for a present
Starting point is 00:24:25 that I wanted to talk about it because I cried at the restaurant. It was so embarrassing. I had to go and sit in the toilet. No, but it was just such a beautiful idea as a gift because it was so thoughtful and it's just, there's nothing better than those recipes that are really just precious to people. Like my sister's put in her best brownie recipe,
Starting point is 00:24:45 which I have to say they are brilliant, stuff with chicken sandwiches and fish tacos. And she's got a really excellent recipe for pasta. There's a few zucchini pasta and dinner guest pasta, which is roasted ricotta, roasted cherry tomatoes, basil, salt and pepper, chili flakes, garlic, dried spaghetti and lemon, and just loads of olive oil.
Starting point is 00:25:06 And you roast all of it together, let the tomatoes kind of dribble into the juices and then stir warm spaghetti through it. Very good. And then grate parmesan over the top and delicious. Anyway, because of that, it got me thinking also about food and I wanted to share the recipe book she sent with me as well, sent to me as well. It's called Midnight Chicken and Other Recipes Worth Living For by Ella Riesbridger. Ella Riesbridger is, she lives in London and she's a freelance writer, but she had
Starting point is 00:25:37 a lot of mental health issues. She went through quite a, and she kind of talks about it in the book. So they're all recipes that kind of brought her back to herself which I thought was such a beautiful way of thinking about food and life and music I think can do that for people too that she felt disconnected from everything she was suicidal at one point and tried to walk in front of a bus and her story and the way she writes about how learning and teaching herself to cook really like simple, humble, ridiculous recipes that are delicious with a glass of wine in her hand kind of brought her back to life and brought her back to what life is really about. And I think. What is life really about?
Starting point is 00:26:18 I know you hate this stuff. No, Claire. What does it all mean? You know what I mean? You know, to me. To me, it's family to me it's good food no I just think that often with some people walking around a lot of us are walking around a bit disconnected from what really kind of means something and matters and sometimes
Starting point is 00:26:37 life can seem a bit gray and the idea like the the name midnight chicken comes from a recipe called midnight chicken which is just the best roast chicken recipe you'll ever have. And she just writes about how to cook it. You know, she cooked it one night at 10 p.m. with a glass of wine in her hand and ate it at midnight, dipping bread into the juices. And you are looking at me like, ugh. Well, to me, I think Midnight Chicken, I think chicken that burgles houses. That's what I think.
Starting point is 00:27:04 Or a midnight goose, perhaps. That goose would definitely do it. Anyway, I wanted to read you a little passage. So I'll read you the back of it first. Things to remember. This book has three main morals, and I urge you to remember them and apply them liberally. Number one, sultry pasta. If in doubt, butter. And number three is keep going. And I love that. And this is from just the first part of the story. Because it is a story, a story about living and food. The cooking you will find here in this book is the kind of cooking you can do a little bit drunk. It's the kind of cooking that is probably better if you've got a bottle of wine open and a hunk of bread to dredge in the sauce.
Starting point is 00:27:42 It's the kind of cooking that will forgive you if you forget about it for a little while or if you're less than precise with your weighing and measuring. It's the kind of cooking that's there for you when you come home pig-nosed from walking. It's the kind of cooking that makes everything feel okay. It's the kind of cooking that saved my life. Yeah, it's really beautiful. And so I can't wait to make some of these recipes.
Starting point is 00:28:05 They just look absolutely incredibly delicious. Do you have to make the midnight chicken at midnight or could I make it at a reasonable hour? No, you have to make the chicken at midnight. I don't want to be eating bread and chicken at midnight, Claire. I have a very strict eating window. You don't look this good by accident. There's a series of decisions that I make in my life.
Starting point is 00:28:24 All right. Okay. Well, anyway. There's a series of decisions that I make in my life. All right. Okay. Well, anyway, there's a particular pie recipe called Danny the Champion of the Pie. Oh, based on the Danny the Champion of the World book. I guess so, yeah. And I really want to make that pie because it sounds incredibly delicious. But there's so many other recipes in there too. Well, I really want to wrap up this show because we're fast approaching 30 minutes.
Starting point is 00:28:44 We are. Okay. So, it always want to wrap up this show because we're fast approaching 30 minutes. We are. Okay. So, it has been Suggestible Pod. You can tweet us at Suggestible Pod with your recommendations or on Instagram, which is also where we are. Or on Facebook. Or on Facebook because Colleen who edits this show has made us a Facebook group. You are our Facebook page.
Starting point is 00:28:59 So, I have a recommendation from Ren Seller on Instagram. Hola, may I suggest a podcast called,enselur on Instagram. Hola. May I suggest a podcast called, I really like that greeting. May I suggest a podcast called Creative Processing with Joe Gordon-Levitt. It's a great listen where he has a different guest or guest each week and they explore one serious question relating to a creative process. There's only been a few episodes so far, but I'd recommend the Rian Johnson episode
Starting point is 00:29:23 and the one with Seth Rogen and Evan Goldberg. You know who Rian Johnson is? No. He directed Looper, which you may have seen. But he also did The Last Jedi, which is like the most controversial Star Wars movie of all time, apparently. But I love, that's something that might be my favourite Star Wars. I like it as well. I love the weird milk bit. Well, if you like Star Wars, that's
Starting point is 00:29:39 Star Wars, you suck and you don't know what you're talking about. Well, anyway, this is a great recommendation. And there's also one where you find out, among other things, that Seth Rogen likes to make pottery. I tried that for a while. Yeah, I remember that week where you made pottery. You bought a bunch of clay. There's a couple more than weeks for that.
Starting point is 00:29:54 No, let's not. Anyway, also check out Sarah Pascoe's book. It's on my list, an accompanying podcast called Sex, Power and Money, where she explores how these three things affect our day-to-day lives. I've got that on my reading list because Deborah Francis-White from The Guilty Feminist also recommended that. All right, your turn. I've got a review here.
Starting point is 00:30:13 Look, if you want to, it really helps out the show. Just open your app and give it a bloody five stars and a nice review, if you can. You don't have to, but do it. What's wrong with you? Come on. It's what life's all about or whatever, isn't it, Claire? Then make your midnight chicken.
Starting point is 00:30:24 Yeah, well, speaking of, this is from FTN Chicken. It says, name a more iconic duo. I'll wait. I'm pretty sure I already wrote a five-star review back when the show started, but I felt compelled to write another one. Does this help the stats? I don't know. I especially love the discussion about the work of Annabelle Crabb.
Starting point is 00:30:38 I'm a public health researcher working in Bangladesh, and one of the things my research focuses on is reducing the barrier between what is considered traditional masculine and feminine roles. I appreciate the nuanced discussion you guys actually managed to have on the issue in between roasting each other. Too many parts of the internet are blindly pushed their agenda without even considering the issue at all. By the way, I love being part of the Planet Broadcasting cult best.
Starting point is 00:31:02 From Shabab. Thanks, Shabab. Excellent. Well, there you go. I prefer FTN Chicken. I think that's a bit of me. Okay. Thanks, Jim Bob.
Starting point is 00:31:10 That's the show next week. We'll be back. You won't even believe. This is a bit of sizzle for next week. You're not even going to believe the recommendations we've got lined up next week. You're going to lose it. You're going to lose your tiny minds. Tiny minds, Claire.
Starting point is 00:31:22 That's not how you get people to come back by insulting them. You say pandering things to them. Like, we've got the best listeners in the world. This wouldn't be possible without any of you. This is really a show about you, the listener. That's what you're going to do. Trust me, Claire. You're an expert. I am.
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