Suggestible - I'll Be Gone in the Dark

Episode Date: July 16, 2020

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hey, we've been watching some things. We've been listening to some things. We've been with some, we're going to tell them to you and then you'll know. And I get. What? And I. And if you haven't. If you haven't seen them, then you can. But if you have, just go on with your day.

Correct. I'm Claire. I'm James. James over there. And most of the time I just like to make fun of him. Yeah. Even though we're married and it's a podcast. And sometimes we also do a podcast.

A hilarious. Thank you. Big old we also do a podcast. A hilarious. Thank you. Big old boob. Not boot, boob. Boob. You switched it up. Yeah, it's a real fun word to say, boob. Boob.

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Just one boob. I don't like boobs so much. Not so fun. Boo. If there were more O's as well, it could be like the ghost of a boob. That wasn't that funny. Come on. I've never laughed like that before.

No, she does laugh like that. Boo. Well, no, I don't. Do I? Yeah. When I really find you hilarious, which is very rarely. Thank you. You're a boob.

I just make no sound at all. Because you have to leave the room to laugh for four hours. All right, we should get started. My first recommendation. You should. Okay, off your chop. Just started this. There's been three episodes out.

It's on HBO Max. It's called I'll Be. Maximum. I don't know why I did that. People love that when you yell on a podcast. I love that. I leaned back from the microphone. I know.

It's called I'll Be Gone in the Dark based on the book of the same name. And it's basically about, I wrote The Hunk, but I meant to write Hunt. The hunt for the Golden State killer who operated through the 70s and 80s, 50 plus rapes and multiple murders. Never caught this dude, right? Just disappeared. But what this series does, it doesn't just look at that. It chronicles the work of Michelle McNamara who, is that right?

Yeah. I don't know, mate. Get it right. It is. Hunting down this guy in the present day or like between like 2011 and 2016. And she's married to Patton Oswalt. Yes, that's right, which I will talk about. But, yeah, so it basically intertwines her investigation

and her personal life because they get married, they have a child together, he's a very famous comedian, she's an author but she's never kind of – she's always been acknowledged as like this really great author but she'd never really been happy with how her kind of career had been going. She couldn't find like the thing that like to kind of lock into, if that makes sense, it seems to. Yes.

That sounds very familiar. Sure. Anyway. Yeah. But you've got lots of things going on. Oh, yeah. You're a mum and that's all the things that you know. Which, by the way, is a very important job.

Of course it is. And very valid if that is your career path of choice too. Definitely, whatever you want to do. Yeah. I don't know what i want to do i guess i'm doing this podcast with you that's right you have to critiquing other people's great work but uh thanks jesus anyway look like i'm some kind of superstar i go on youtube and go the transformers movies aren't very good are they we know We know. Everybody knows that. I know. Anyway, let's get back to talking about the web. This is an incredible story on multiple levels and terribly sad.

Yeah, it is. So it's her life intertwining with the investigation of this situation that is long gone and forgotten. And the thing is as well, she is a brilliant writer and she has been acknowledged that over the years. And what she brings to this investigation is not only she's really good at locking in on clues and just pouring through hours and hours of like audio.

Police interviews. And documents and just tons of this stuff that she's going through over the years and interviewing different people. But she's also very creative so she brings that different perspective and she's able to kind of almost kind of imagine scenarios of how things would play out. And what she managed to do, she identified all these unseen connections which people hadn't had before because it also existed,

these killings and rapes in an era where rape wasn't really considered that much of a crime. Like you'd get a few months. It was like an armed robbery or something like that. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. And often there was no, like the people, the detectives they'd send, it was very clinical and there were a bunch of like middle-aged men being like, well, what did you do to put yourself in this situation?

And all these kinds of things. Even though this guy was breaking into houses and raping people. Well, it sounds so much like that show with Toni Collette. It's exactly like that. Yeah. What was that show called? Yeah, I'll get on the Googs. So, yeah, she even coined the name of the killer because he didn't really have a proper

name. Like, because for years people also thought that the killer was the separate from the person doing the rapes. But then some people had cottoned onto it. But anyway, long story short, and people probably know this, this guy did get caught recently. And it's not up to this point in the documentary yet. But the other really sad thing about it is the book that this is based on, which is also the series, she passed away in 2016.

She went in for an operation and it just went south and she died. Like she wasn't supposed to die. She wasn't clinically ill or anything. Not that anyone's supposed to die. Do you know what I mean? I know. She was still very young and it wasn't something that had been planned. She had a young daughter.

She was in her early 40s. Did she die at home? I think she died at a hospital, I think, I believe. I don't have that information in front of me. But it also explores their relationship because she's in it quite a lot through archival footage and interviews that she's taken and they narrate some of her book using somebody else. But they also interview Patton Oswalt who talks about the person that she is

and her family life and growing up and how difficult that was because she was the youngest in her family by like a lot, by like 15, 16 years, and all her siblings are much, much older and the kind of frayed relationships she had with her mother because they just didn't – Really gel, different people. Really gel, yeah. And it's not, of course, with families.

It's not that you don't love each other often. It's just you've got clashing ideals. And so it's not just a straight-up murder mystery, which the story in itself is really interesting, but I'm also finding her life really fascinating. And what is also tragic is she didn't see the result of this. The book was published two years after her death and now we're getting this show now.

So even though she'd uncovered all of these things and she was making ground, she never really saw like the results of this, which was really quite sad. And look, she wasn't the only, she was a pivotal role in catching this guy, but she wasn't the only one. There were a lot of other people who were not giving up on this for years, like detectives who worked on it who just couldn't get past it. Couldn't let it go, yeah.

She's not the only voice in this, but it's just, it's a really interesting perspective and it's not, I'm not big on like true crime and murder mystery stuff all the time. I find it a bit kind of, I don't know, kind of exploitative and a bit kind of unsatisfying. But the perspective she brings as well is very much from the victims as well because they also show, I'm going to shut up. I've been talking about this for a long time, bitch.

No. She talks about how like they had like, you know, your true crime shows in the 80s and they'd reenact it and there'd be like a woman in sexy lingerie on the bed and a guy breaks in and it's all kind of shot like a soap opera. When really they were really horrific and matter-of-fact, like terrifying things that he was doing, which slowly built up into murder.

And this guy, the way that this guy was able to operate in like the same area and he'd strike houses like two or three away from each other. Wow. He'd be casing the streets for weeks. How is it that they didn't find him? It's just not putting things together, poor detective work, DNA samples, all of these things which they didn't have then.

It was kind of a combination of things. It was also the fact that they didn't seem to take it as seriously. Yeah, and see, and that's what I think is at the crux of a lot of this true crime. And I went through a phase where I was listening to a few true crime podcasts, but I agree. I find it really hard to find the line between exploitation and then also really great reporting,

which then enables people who hadn't previously been found to be found and then charged for their crimes. And the show we were talking about was unbelievable. Thank you. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, with Detective Grace Russell played by Toni Collette. Which I think was also based on a true story. Yeah, well, and that was a similar story where a young girl was,

her house was basically broken into and she was sexually assaulted. We did cover that here, didn't we? Yeah, we did. Yeah, we did. I also think we should make a disclaimer that if this brings up anything for you, we'll put some links in the show notes to places to help mine and things. I think part of the issue with this kind of stuff, and back then is exactly what you said before,

that it wasn't always taken as seriously. I mean, rape was still legal in marriage until not very long ago. taken as seriously. I mean, rape was still legal in marriage until not very long ago. And so the idea that this was as serious a charge or as serious a crime as murder in lots of ways was just not in the culture. And I think women weren't believed in the same way. They weren't taken as a crime against, yeah, blame put on them. And you look at the campaigns at the time and they show a lot of them.

It's like this woman's walking at night but she's walking to her car by herself and she's reading a book but she should be looking around. And what's she wearing and is she drinking and all of those questions. It's victim blaming. It's exactly that, which still is a thing. That's still. It absolutely is. It absolutely is.

And I think part of this might be also like what you just said, who is making those documentaries about these kind of true crime events and the idea is men. So, so much of this is from the perspective of a man. And so I would love to see, it's Michelle McNamara. Yes. Yeah. Her perspective on this. Cause I, I totally agree that I think when true crime is written from the victim, victim's perspective, you really see a whole different view of this kind of crime and just how serious this kind of crime is. Yeah, absolutely.

Yeah, it reminds me to Dolly Parton, her podcast. So she was 36 and realised, yeah. Sorry, it was just looking up my mind. Yeah, yeah. I was just going to say Dolly Parton was really good and is really good at writing songs from the victim's perspective. No, 46. Sorry, go on.

46. Doesn't matter. What am I doing? Sorry. That's all right. Go on. Yeah, Dolly Parton's really good at writing songs from this perspective, I think, from the victim's perspective because often historically

in that kind of music that she was writing, that country music, a lot of the murders and assaults against women were written by the perpetrators even. Yeah. They get their books, you know what I mean, where they talk about all their great crimes that they did. Yeah. And anyway, I don't want to go too far into this because life is hard enough as it is but I do think that sounds fascinating and I would love to watch that.

And I, yeah, I do think it's so important. It's not fun either. Like it's bad. Like it's not, I do think it's so important. It's not fun either. Like it's bad. Like it's not, I watched three last night and it was horrible. Like it wasn't, it's put me in a weird head space and paranoid about making sure the doors are still windows locked, which I'm already pretty paranoid about. The other thing is she interviews or they have interviews of the women

and they sit down with them and they take it through it and how it's affected their lives and how their family reacted and how their husband reacted and all these kinds of things. And a lot of them are doing great. Like they're doing really well and some of them are still together and worked through it together but other people, you know. Couldn't. They couldn't for obvious reasons and oftentimes, you know,

because they don't know how to handle it. There was no counselling for something like that happening. Yeah, in the 80s. Oh, God, I know. Or 70s even. Yeah. So anyway, that's that. I've probably taken up too much time. Well, now you've thoroughly depressed us all.

I'm going to stop going to happy ones for my next one. All right. Well, no, that does really sound fascinating. What it does remind me of, just very quickly, was that podcast The Teacher's Pet because there's a similar story in there where a man's wife goes missing, the police do a very half-hearted attempt to find her and he says she's left him, but then it becomes very apparent very quickly that he's murdered her. Definitely murdered her. Correct.

Yeah. But it's just never really looked into. It's baffling. And what really gets me and makes me sadder is that so many of the women that are interviewed in that podcast say things like, but we were women, we weren't taken seriously, or I didn't even think I could. I had the kind of power to be able to go into a police station and say, hey, my friend is missing. Or it didn't even occur to them that they could. And so how far have we come and how awesome, there you go,

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So Andrew Scott plays the sexy priest and he is in the confessional and Connell comes in on one side and then Marianne comes in on the other. Hilarity kind of ensues in the role and character. I didn't even know this existed. This sounds awesome. It's so funny and great. So if you want a little gigs, you should definitely watch that because it's just really awesome.

Especially if you're a fan of those shows, I guess. Yeah, exactly. Because otherwise it would not make that much sense. Actually, no, it wouldn't, no know because it's all sort of references. You've got some good TV to get through there, though, if you haven't watched it. You have. Fleabag as well.

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I finished watching it a little while ago. It's on Stan, I'm pretty sure. Stan? I think so. Stan or Amazon Prime. It's on one of the things here. One of them. And it stars one of my favourite comedians that I've started following

on Instagram, Michelle Boutot as Brie, Jill Scott as Hazel, and Ryan Michelle Baith as Ari, who are, if you haven't seen the first film that was starring Bette Midler. I have. And who else was in that? Goldie Hawn and Dianne Lyne. Yeah. No, Dianne Keaton.

Yes. I get those two confused, but yes. Oh, God. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. So basically all three women are in relationships with their various men partners and they all kind of get kind of done over in different ways. And so it's about their friendship and how they navigate that.

It's set in New York. It's really fun. It sort of is a look at family life and motherhood and parenthood and relationships. One of the husbands cheated on his wife. One of them is like a politician who's putting his career before his wife's career. And the third is a singer who, which is Goldie Hawn's kind of character,

I guess, from the first film, who gets done over by her husband manager and gets kicked out of her incredible penthouse suite apartment. Even though she's like the star or whatever. Correct, exactly. And it's all about her exploring her art and finding her own voice and, you know, all that stuff, you know, empowerment and also what I find is really great too, as a side note, is that the cast is entirely black and that I think is awesome and adds a different element

to the show as well. But it's not really the focus of it. No. It's just that is what happens in the past. It happens to be, yeah. Yeah, exactly. And I love it and I really recommend it for a good, fun time. All right, yeah.

No, I've seen a little bit of it when you're watching it. It is. I agree. Yeah, I think I'm just – It's pretty funny too. Yeah, part of it too is that I'm realising I often only watch TV and film that features people that are like white women. Well, yeah.

Like me. But a lot of it is that though also. And it, but a lot of it is that though also. And it is, a lot of it is that as well. But I think that's also, I'm making a really concerted effort and watch and read and listen to stuff that is made by people that don't just look like me, that are from a whole range of different backgrounds and different experiences. But I guess also it is kind of normal too that you are drawn to art and books that kind of talk about your experience.

Well, I exclusively like movies and shows and books that are about and written by men in their mid-thirties. Otherwise, I'm not interested. Who are dads with two children? Otherwise, I'm not interested. I don't want to hear about other experiences. Well, I don't know. Yeah, I know. Anyway, I just thought it's well worth pointing out that it's important to try and do that more. And you get lots, just so much more stuff. Yeah, that's right. And there's just so much rich work and rich art out there at the moment. It's not like the point of the show, but it's just a different perspective.

Yeah, totally. And it's discussed sort of in small parts within the show, but it's mainly just a good fun time. Okay, cool. And I love it. I've got a good fun time, Claire. Your turn. Okay. This movie came to Hulu. A good long fun time. Okay, cool. And I love it. I've got a good fun time, Claire. Your turn. This movie came to Hulu.

A good long fun time? No, never. It's called Palm Springs. It's on Hulu. It's directed by Max Barbaco and it stars Andy Samberg, who you might know from Brooklyn 9999999. Christine Melotti, who you might know as the real mother in How I Met Your Mother but also other things that she's terrific in, and J.K. Simmons, who you might know as the guy who goes How I Met Your Mother, but also other things that she's terrific in.

And J.K. Simmons, who you might know as the guy who goes, bring me pictures of Spider-Man. You know him? Terrific. It's a great cast. Oh, it's also got an Australian guy. What's his name? Chris Pang.

Oh, yes. Do you love him? Yeah, I do. So it's basically, it opens with a wedding in Palm Springs. Kristen, did I say Kristen? I think I said Christine before. It's Kristen's sister's wedding. And she's kind of like, she's a black sheep of the family.

She's like, oh, this wedding would have to be made of honor. And I make a speech and she has to do all that. But she has a meet cute with Andy Samberg, right? But then as the night progresses, they get kind of caught in this entanglement and she wakes up the next day and it's the same day again. So it's Groundhog Day. But what she figures out very quickly, and this is like in the first like 10 minutes, that he's been doing this same day for who knows, could be a thousand years.

Oh, wow. So, yeah, so she's new to this and he's been doing it. So they have these, you know, the scenarios that then unfold from that is she's trying all these different things to get out of it, including like suicide and kind of telling real truths to people and all these different insane scenarios before they kind of settle on just doing things, you know, that have no real consequences and they just create all these ridiculous scenarios and then they then play out during the day and the movie

becomes that. But then maybe they're falling in love along the way and learning lessons. This sounds so far up my alley. It's so good. It's so funny. Like you really need to watch it because it's – and it's also really fun. There was a few moments that I actually laughed out loud, which is really unusual in some of these scenarios.

Yeah, you never laugh. No, I don't. But there's – because obviously they know how everything plays out every day. They know what's going to happen. So they can craft these insane – there's's a moment it's in the trailer but they put a bomb in the cake i'm not gonna say any more of that but it's also really well paced and you're gonna get sick of it so before you're like so it kind of stays on things just long enough to move on to the next thing as well and also it opens with andy sandberg has a nemesis in this realm also who keeps coming

after him which becomes like a recurring thing in it. It's just really great. It's one of the best things I've seen this year. It's one of the funniest things I've seen this year almost certainly and it's just nice to get something like this. You know, it's trying times but it's just a really good movie and if you've seen Groundhog Day and Edge of Tomorrow, you know the premise but it's just great.

You should watch it. Watch it tonight. It's really good. Okay. I totally will because that's all I feel like watching at the moment. No, you'll love it. You'll really love it. All right.

Excellent. That sounds awesome. Last thing before we wrap it up. Last thing. All right. Well, last thing is a thing to keep you laughing called Last One Laughing. Last One Laughing. Last One Laughing. Last One Laughing.

So I finished watching this the other night. I actually binge watched it. It's the first thing I've binge watched in so long because I'm so tired I go to bed at like 7 o'clock. But I couldn't. I had to finish it. It's on Amazon Prime. It's hosted by Rebel Wilson. Ten Australian comics have six hours to try to make each other laugh.

And the last one to crack wins $100,000, which is a huge amount of money. I didn't know that. Yeah. I didn't know it was $100,000. Yeah, it's a huge amount of money. So the comedians, I can see James is like prepping because he has opinions. Not really. The comedians are Dilraba Jai Singer, Frank Woodley, Nazeem Hussain,

Anne Edmonds, Ed Cavalli, Becky Lucas, Joel Creasy, Nick Cody, Sam Simmons, and Susie Youssef. I think, personally, Frank Woodley, Anne Edmonds, and Becky Lucas, Joel Creasy, Nick Cody, Sam Simmons and Susie Youssef. I think personally Frank Woodley, Anne Edmonds and Becky Lucas really stole the show for me. Some of them are just kind of standing there like mannequins not kind of doing anything. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Or they, yes, particularly Ed Cavill I felt was like a really passive character.

On the surface this show does not sound like something I would be into, but oh, my goodness. I think part of it is just how insane they go because they don't put any filters on it. No. It becomes super explicit. They can say anything. They can literally say and do anything.

So there's like nudity and like warped kind of like penis jackets and like a lot of like really full-on dirty jokes. Yeah. And some of them don't play that as well. Like Frank Woodley, I'd forgotten how funny Frank Woodley is, but just so dry and so clever. The moment when he comes, he brings in Photoshop pictures of some of the other people in there because you could bring in props,

you were telling, because I'm kind of in and out of it. And it was, I don't know how they didn't break because it was some of the funniest stuff. It was so funny. And I think what's so incredible about him is that his comedy is, yeah, I know, it's so funny. And the thing about him is that his comedy is so heavily physical as well as being clever with words.

So he's just brought together so many different elements and it's just amazing to watch a master at work. And I think it highlights too the different types of comedy that they bring to the table but also really interesting the kind of strategies that they play because there's alcohol involved as well. Yeah. So it just becomes debaucherous and rude and absurd. And mean.

They're so mean to each other because one of the – Anne Edmonds says some really mean things. That's really funny. They're so mean to each other because one of the – Anne Edmonds has said some really mean things. That's really funny. They're so funny. She comes in in different characters. She has a character called Auntie Carol which is just like hysterical and just like everybody's got an auntie like Auntie Carol. And what they do say is that because comedians are such weird people,

they need to get really weird in order to make each other laugh. So I just find it just a joy and also kind of strange and awful at the same time because it's also a real test of strength really. Oh, yeah. To not laugh or smile for six hours straight, just on its own without just being around normal people, regardless of whether they're comedians or not.

It's like Big Brother if it was interesting i guess yeah because they literally have cameras everywhere and rebel wilson was an executive producer on the show and she is brilliant i think she you can see in this why she has the career that she has because she has um she presses the buzzer quite a lot and you can just tell that she really understands what's funny and what's not funny and when to kind of step in and when not to. I just thought she brings- I thought Rebel Wilson comes back every six months to quickly film a show and leave.

Yeah. No, no, genuinely because she does movies and then she'll come over and be like, I'll just do this thing really quickly. Yeah, in Australia and then go back. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Anyway, so I just thought in the end I couldn't believe that I enjoyed it as much as I did and I think you should absolutely watch it. Yeah, because it's one of those things you look at it and you're like,

oh, my God, it's Australian comedy. Well, I don't really like reality TV. Well, I also don't like a lot of Australian comedy that's on television because it's the same shit. Yeah. But this was really good. I wish I had watched it from the start because I haven't and I know what happens in it.

Yeah. Well, there's going to be another series I think by the looks of it. Sam Simmons, his comedy I just couldn't get into. And that's the thing, you don't gel with anybody in there. Yeah, but it was so brutal. Like his is so explicit and so absurd and so intense and, yeah. But it does, I think the reason why Australian comedy you can tell on TV, on mainstream TV anyways and that great is just,

is clearly because of the networks and the channels. And it's the same voices when they should, and some of them are like veterans and they're like, Frank Woodley's been around for like 30 years. Yeah. Not that long, but he's still good. But there's other people, like there's newer voices that you don't see. Like, again, Becky Lucas, she's been a comedian for a while as well not 30 years but you don't you should see people but

she's very young yeah that's right comparatively or ann edmonds or yeah you know joel creasy they're all really great even nazim hussein is really really funny too and there's i think yeah there's you just need a variety of voices and a variety of voices that are allowed to do things that are different yes and you see that in this because it's just clearly all improv. Yeah. And really, really awesome. Anyway, so last one, Laughing on Amazon Prime. Go and check it out if you need a laugh.

Sure, it's not Prime Video. Oh, yeah, it is Prime Video. Doesn't matter. People will figure it out. Isn't that the same thing? No, they're different. Oh, God. Well, this is Prime Video.

Yeah. All right. Which might be called a different thing overseas. Who knows? Oh, Lord. All right. We've got to Yeah. All right. Which might be called a different thing overseas. Who knows? Oh, Lord. All right. We've got to move it along.

We've got to move it along. If you could review the show, it really helps. If you could do it in-app, five stars if you want, that'd be great. In-app, you just open your app and you do it. This is from Tyron101. It says, got her. Five stars. It says, Claire, my wife and I love you.

Seriously. James got you good in that Mr. Peanut Movies episode. Totally called you out on all the interrupting and it was great. The banter is great but sometimes setting each other straight is much needed. Oh, and great podcast. I recommend listening and subscribing and rating in order to follow along with the amazing marriage story. Also, the latest Brand Spanking You episode is really good. I love the more serious ones.

It's from Matt and Megan from Nashville, Tennessee. Do you want to get – you got some recommendations there? I certainly do. While I try and settle our baby? Yeah, I know. You can tell she's chirping away in the background. If you would like to rate – not rate. James has rated.

I don't even know what day it is. I'm exhausted, guys. If you would like to write us an email, tell us what you think about the show, give us some recommendations. We would love that. guys. If you would like to write us an email, tell us what you think about the show. Give us some recommendations. We would love that. And so I've got one from Kevin Prackrad. So, hey, Claire and James. So when you first started this pod, I started listening consistently. Anyway. Oh, he dropped off for some reason. Oh, no. Well, I hope you're back now, mate. I just got back on the train again and i'm listening to it in reverse order

so i've got a few recommendations i recently finished the kurt von nugget book bluebeard for my summer college class and thought you might enjoy it it's a hoax autobiography following the life of a disgraced abstract expressionist painter named rabo tarabekian who actually appeared in another one of venigut's novels. The book is surprisingly touching and manages to gracefully tackle gender issues through Karabekian's relationship with a widow who forced herself into his life. It is a wonderful work. Tell what I've bloody dropped off in this email, all right?

It's a wonderful work from an aged Vannegut. I have got just hit on so many pronunciations that I can't. Vonnegut? I don't know. I'm too tired to, I can't, I don't know. Vonnegut? I don't know. Kurt Vonnegut. I can't. I don't know. Vonnegut, towards the end of his career. And for James, I know that you like your musicals, and one of my favourite musicals ever is Stephen Sondheim's

Sunday in the Park with George. Heard of this one? Never heard of that one. It is a fictional account of the life of painter George Sorot. Sorot? Sorot. I don't know. Sorat.

Sorat. Sorat. Oh, God, I can't pronounce anything. As he paints a Sunday afternoon on the island of La Grande Jatte. Oh, God. Over two years in the 1890s. I think this is all made up and just there to test you. Yeah, I feel so.

It sounds made up. Sorat. It's a beautiful ode to art and artists, and I love the beautiful music that comes with it. I hope you've enjoyed my suggestibles. Keep up the good work. Best, Kevin Parakrad. Yes.

Thank you very much for the email and for coming back as well. Thank you very much for the email. Just like I came back into your email at the end. Well, I was off sorting the baby. I sorted it. I came back. He sorted everything out. Oh, and just quickly too, we have a little correction from last episode

that I just wanted to bring up really quickly. So we may or may not have said women don't get boners. And by we, I mean you. Hey, man. I loan it. That's what I said. Anyway. And so we just wanted to, we've just been highlighted that that kind of,

wording is trans-exclusionary language and it could be seen as a microaggression. Sure. And so we just wanted to apologize and let you know that we love everybody. We are definitely not transphobic and we are learning our way along. Yeah, that's right. And I think the thing that I loved about getting emails like this is that we are trying our best, but we don't always get things right and it's really nice to be educated. I think so, yeah, because I think if people say, well, the goalposts are always shifting.

Yeah, that's what happens when society, like so it's important to kind of try. Look, I'm not on top of everything all the time and all the proper terms. No, and we use so many words all the time and say things in jest and it was in jest. It was a joke. But if people, yeah, look, I do apologise for that because we want this to be as inclusive as possible. We don't want people to think that we're not respectful

of whatever your background or sexual orientation or anything is. Exactly. It's all about listening and empathy, which is ironic because I never listen to you. But most of all, everyone should listen to us and what we say on this podcast because we're right. Anyway, all we want to say is we love everyone. We're trying our best and we love you specifically, listener. Hey, thank you. No, I'm talking to the listener who's listening to us right now.

Terrific. And we are wishing you all the best in all your future endeavours. Correct. And we'll see you next week for more of this shit. Oh, my God. It's true. Good Lord. So bloody depressing.

Okay. All right. Goodbye for real, though, because I've got to pick up my son. See you later. Okay. Bye. This podcast is part of the Planet Broadcasting Network. Visit planetbroadcasting.com for more podcasts from our great mates.

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