Suggestible - It's Man Boner Time Everyone

Episode Date: October 24, 2019

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Well, tough. I've started the ball rolling already. My name is Claire. You're James. We recommend you things. I'm excited to recommend things. Yeah, there's four flies in the studio as well today. It's so annoying.

I know, but it's okay. They don't make any noise. That is lovely. Just know that they're bothering me this entire time. You're very bothered. Anyway, on that note, what will you watch or read or listen to that has been unbothering you this week? Well, I was about to call you Mason.

Well, Claire, I've been watching on Netflix. It's called Living With Yourself and it stars, it's a black comedy and it stars Paul Rudd. You love everything with Paul Rudd. You have a massive man boner for him. Man boner? I think that's just a boner. No, but it's a boner for a man.

Oh, okay. Yeah, fair enough. Yeah. Yeah, I like him. He's good. Yeah, I do too. And he's somehow 50. In this show he's 37. I'm like. Oh, okay. Yeah, that's fair enough. Yeah. Yeah, I like him. He's good. Yeah, I do too. And he's somehow 50. In this show he's 37.

I'm like, yeah, probably. We watched that episode of Between Two Ferns with him. If you don't know that show, it's so good. Alephanakis? Zach Alephanakis. Zach Alephanakis. It's actually from the movie, but I would recommend just watching the interviews for that because I think the movie's not great, but the interviews are always good.

So fun. Anyway, it stars Paul Rudd, Ashley B, and Paul Rudd? What? Oh, I saw the shorts for this. What? You showed me the trailer for this. You were so excited. Did I?

Yeah. Oh, okay. So basically, slight spoilers though, it's in the trailer and it's very early on what happens. The idea is that Paul Rudd is a sad sack and he works at this marketing firm and he hates it and he's not good at it and he's very early on what happens. The idea is that Paul Rudd is a sad sack and he works at this marketing firm and he hates it and he's not good at it and he's depressed and you find out why kind of later on. He's struggling in his relationship.

That sounds like office space. No, not really. It's not better. It's different than office space, yeah. So basically he gets this idea for his friend puts him onto this spa where you go and it revitalizes you and makes you kind of feel better. And he's like, all right, I'll give it a go. So he goes in there and then he wakes up in a grave.

So he basically digs his way out of a plastic bag and he's been buried in the woods. Anyway, he gets home to find that he's already at home because what essentially has happened, and again, this is in the trailer trailer is that he's being cloned and what they do there they kind of clean up your dna like remove like depression and anxiety and i've still got that walnut and that cough yeah and all those kind of things and your hair's better and so he's already there because what they so they do all that and then they put it into a new body and then they dump the original you. So there's two Paul Rudd.

This is your ultimate movie. That's right. So the idea is- Double Paul Rudd. But the thing is, they're very different, obviously, because one of them is like the best version of Paul Rudd that you could possibly be. Like twinkly eyed. Yeah, exactly.

And, you know, excited about everything and he's like running through cornfields and things like that. He's very excited. And so then they have to work out how they, are they to share this life as one of them gonna gonna disappear who is the better version who's married he's married yeah and who's even the the real version i guess because you know it's the same dna it's the same dna essentially but you know the original one would probably be the real version i guess but i think what what's really interesting about it is that sci-fi elements, it's neither here nor there. They don't really delve into how they do it. It's not important, I guess. Have you ever seen the movie

Multiplicity with Michael Keaton? It's like that. Have you ever seen the movie The Sixth Day with Arnold Schwarzenegger? It's like that. They're very similar, actually. But it's an interesting lesson and look at a person's failings and shortcomings and it's like a reflection of the things that you kind of don't like about yourself because you see or you think that you're, well, I always feel like this, that I'm not doing enough or I'm not the best version of myself. And you're not.

And I'm not, exactly. And it's that, but this is like the physical manifestation of that. So it's like the proof that you actually suck and you could be better. But then there's also shortcomings of being that perfect version because also what's interesting because as the show goes along, the perfect version kind of gets tainted, you know what I mean, and resentful. Oh, by life.

Yeah, so it's kind of. Life will get you. Yeah, exactly. It gets everybody in the end. It really does. So it's like eight. Life will get you. Yeah, exactly. It gets everybody in the end. It really does. So it's like eight episodes. They're doing a second season. It's like it's not life changing,

but it's just really solid television with really, really good performances. The other thing is the special effects are incredible and you don't notice them at all, but it's because it's two Paul Rudds. There's moments where they're on screen together all the time. There's moments where they have physical fights, and it's just flawless.

So it's one of those situations where, you know, special effects are often like, it's a giant seahorse, and there's a crab. I'm talking about Aquaman or whatever. Yeah, there's a huge wave. Yeah, whatever. But it's like it's an example of special effects where it's like, this is excellent application of it because it just adds to the world building without ever taking you out of it.

You just don't even think about it being there. Because we always talk about that too, right? That at the end of the day, special effects, special effects, what you want is great script, great acting. And then the special effects should be on the periphery of that. And if they're really great, they kind of enhance and add and build the experience. And you're either awed by them or you don't notice them, which is kind of like that's kind of selling special effects people short.

I've done videos on it before but basically special effects, bad special effects often comes down to time and budget. It's not often and they don't get paid enough and the hours are insane and whatever there's a whole whole industry that's like collapsing because of the way you know the life of pie guys they won an oscar yeah and then the studio was like immediately shut down because they didn't have money and as they were giving their speech at the oscars they got and they were talking about like the industry and how it's important to whatever they started getting played off so the music went over the top. Oh, my God. That's so heartbreaking. That's indicative of how –

Because that film is spectacular. Yeah, it's all right. I really enjoyed it, but I thought the special effects were amazing. Special effects are amazing, yeah. That's what I mean by spectacular. Really, really amazing. Yeah, living with yourself on Netflix. You finished with your Paul Rudd love fest?

I think I am. Because he's also great in This Is 40, which is one of your favourite films. I love It, This Is 40, yeah. I love it. It's my favourite. Yeah, it feels so it's so real it's painful that one like at times like yeah it is yeah which is the thing we're going to talk about in a minute but it feels like you're in the room with a couple fighting and it's like

oh should i be here yeah like that friends that are arguing a barbecue or something and you're like oh this is awkward all right okay can i talk about mine sure yeah i've got so many things to talk about briefly i wanted to recommend Fangirls, the musical. I talked about this already. It's by Eve Blake and I interviewed her on Just Make the Thing and she is a TED Talk as well but her musical is now out and I went to Sydney and I saw it. You did.

And it was brilliant. It was everything I wanted and more. If you get a chance, if they extend the run and if you're in Sydney, you should absolutely see it. It's so joyful. It's full of glitter and teenage angst and it reminds you of all the best bits and the worst bits of being a teenager and it celebrates women, particularly young women, and it's just really funny

and the music is like a pop concert. So I just would absolutely recommend going to see it. Did she write the music? Yeah, she wrote the music and she's not, she doesn't play an instrument. So she wrote it, she self-taught all of it and she taught us how to write music on a laptop. I've talked about this before. It's just spectacular.

I haven't listened to that episode. I should do that, yeah. Oh, that's all right. But she's just, she was so clever and great. And so it's just really worth watching if you can. There's just some music that you can find on YouTube as well of her singing some of the shows just with a live band and a cast. It's not the full musical but a couple of the soundtracks.

Tim Minchin mentors her and you can tell. It's got a similar feel to it of Matilda, the musical. Oh, great. It's very different. Is she in it? Yeah, she's in it. Oh, wow. Okay, yeah.

So not only has she written this whole thing. It's like a Hamilton situation. Yeah, it's actually a love letter to her 14-year-old self. Yeah, right. And she writes this beautiful letter in the program that is really just to her 14-year-old self how much she hated herself, how like chock full of pimples and self-doubt she was and how the world kind of teaches you as a young woman

that your worth is all about how hot you are. So true. You know, all that. I know I bang on these forever. Someone's saying it's true. It's what you have. I agree. I agree with her.

I really appreciate it. I was listening to a podcast called the quickie from my main network, this money that was about open plan offices and how women are really not suited to open plan offices because we've got more of a complex about how we look. And so as we're working, we're constantly thinking about what people are thinking about us. I also hate open plan offices.

Yeah, I know. For different reasons. So many reasons. Anyway, so that's Fangirls. I won't talk about it anymore. So now what I want to talk about is a book I just finished reading. A book, you say? It's called a book.

Yes, it is a book, a book, a book. I have it with me, so I'm doing a show and tell. It's called The Trauma Cleaner, and it's by Sarah Krasnosty. Oh, yeah, you're telling me about this, yeah. Yeah, I know. You're like, oh, I can't read. But it's really amazing. I'm saying, oh, I can't read.

I've been lying this whole time. It's seriously one of the most talked about biographies of recent years. It's won, like, just a crazy list of prizes. Awards aren't everything. I know, but it's so worth reading. It doesn't sound like it would be great, but it's been reviewed from everyone, you know, from the Australian to the Enfield Herald to the Guardian.

Just it's amazing. It's one woman's extraordinary life in death, decay and disaster. So main character, it's a real story. So the journalist, Sarah, followed this woman called Sandra Pankhurst and she is transsexual and transitioned sort of around the 80s. So it kind of talks a lot about transgender rights and what it was like back then, you know, just homophobia was illegal in many states.

Homophobia or? Sorry, homosexuality. Right. And it was just at the forefront. She transitioned and ended up having the surgery and everything. She lives in Melbourne. Right. Just as that became a thing.

So she was one of the first 30, you know, people in Australia to ever have the surgery to change your sex, basically. Yeah, right. Which is so interesting. So it kind of follows that history. So that in itself is crazy when you think about how far we've come. It wasn't even recognised as something that you could actually do for so many years. So she felt like such an outcast.

But it also just follows her life she was a drug addict and an alcoholic prostitute as well um but now she runs her own business where she goes into people's homes and cleans them but it's the trauma end of cleaning so she'll clean up crime scenes she'll clean hoarders houses and it's I know it sounds really dark, but it's weirdly really fascinating and kind of uplifting in the end because she's so compassionate because of what she's been through in her life. She originally got married and had a family in Footscray and then had to leave the family because she identified as a woman

and just needed to do it. And the grief of that and the trauma of that, of leaving her two young kids and her wife and all of that stuff to become this person that she just had to be. And she's extraordinarily beautiful as well, which is what's really interesting. She's also highly charismatic, highly capable, and she's just done so much. So her life is quite large and complex. She ran multiple businesses, had a second marriage as well. It's just done so much. Her life is quite large and complex. She ran multiple businesses, had a second marriage as well. It's amazing what she can accomplish, but the biggest part of it is her compassion to people who are in some of the darkest places that human beings can get to.

It looks at that really dark side of humanity. Obviously, she cleans up after suicides, after bodies that have been left in a house for a month because the person died or overdosed and no one noticed. So she sees this kind of tragic side of life but goes in with such humour and cheerfulness and kind of get up and go that she's come from a place where she was a drug addict and a prostitute. She was raped and took her accuser to court and actually won, so he went to jail.

Oh, wow, yeah. Which was a huge step back then when you think about it. I mean, it's unusual now as well. Yeah. Not unusual, but it's difficult. As a prostitute and a transsexual, to actually take someone to court in the first place and then to win the case, that's how compelling she is as a person.

Yeah. But it just makes you think. And she goes into all different demographics and suburbs and there are people who just have given up on life or are depressed and shut themselves in. There's one story of this woman who's an artist and she obviously has had a really traumatic past and her house is just like cockroach nests on the ceiling and rats running everywhere and it's dank and moldy.

But she's also painted these extraordinary paintings metre of her couch on top of piles and piles of newspapers and old magazines and rotting food and she just has all the blinds shut and just paints. And so in amongst all of this, the kind of, you know, relics of mould and human filth, there's this extraordinary art that, you know, in the book Sarah talks about how it could be hanging in MoMA which is a really famous art gallery in Tasmania and so you just think about how certain circumstances happen to these people like some of the people that are hoarders are

lawyers and or were lawyers or teachers really highly highly paid professionals who, for whatever reason, alcoholism, drugs, trauma, family circumstances, end up giving up on life and the feels kind of builds around them. And Sandra goes in and not only cleans everything out for them with her team and it's highly specialised, but she also sort of salvages furniture from whatever job she can, keeps them in a storage warehouse and off her own bat, creates spaces for them to come back into that are clean. Oh, wow.

So she'll often like have donated bedding. She'll draw out of her own bat. Like she doesn't have to do that. It's not part of her job. Yeah. But she'll bring in, you know, fresh couches or a TV that she got from a crime scene or, you know, a DVD player. She'll put fresh sheets

on the bed. So the idea is that you get whatever's in there? Is that like a condition of? Yeah. Well, because often what's really, this is so gross, but what's really interesting is that human bio waste, so stuff like blood and vomit and organic matter. The good stuff. The good stuff. You know, if someone's died and the body's decomposed, sorry, disclaimer, matter. The good stuff. The good stuff. You know, if someone's died and the body's decomposed, sorry, disclaimer, this is really gross. That can leak into everything and seep under carpets and erode things really, really quickly. And so often when you go into a crime scene like that, they have to strip everything. They strip the carpets, they strip everything and everything

is replaced. So if you can salvage some of that, no one minds, you know, rather than taking it to the dump because a lot of it would just go straight to the dump or, you know, be thrown out. She salvages it. There's a fly in here. It's a big one. It knows what I'm talking about. I know.

So it's just sort of in the darkest moments of her life, I guess, Sandra has somehow managed to have a lot of compassion and empathy for people for what she's been through. So anyway. I guess you live that life and you kind of have an understanding of people and she seems like she has a good understanding of herself as well, obviously. Yeah, yeah.

I mean, obviously there's layers of trauma there because she was abused as a child and beaten and abandoned and she had a really traumatic upbringing too. But now she just, you wouldn't know that she was even transgender. She's very, she was, you know, on stage as a drag queen and all kinds of things. But she's lived so many lives. But it's, I would just so recommend it. It's a beautiful book. The Trauma Cleaner by Sarah Krasnostein.

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they're not any conventional love stories. It's not your bloody Romeo and Juliet. No, do you know where it came from, mate? It's from an article or? No, no, you gooseberry. It's based on true stories or something, isn't it? Oh, God, no. So it's based on true stories or something isn't it oh god no so it's based on a column called modern love that so it is based on an article no no not just one article it's a column that's what i mean like it's obviously multiple stories claire no listen to me you listen to me the modern love i don't have anything to say but listen up was a column in the new york times it's now a podcast and they've just turned it into a TV show on Amazon Prime.

And it's all about relationships, feelings, love and betrayal. But it's also based on these incredibly beautiful essays. And you can actually go online to the New York Times. They have them all there. Okay. Because they're all true stories. So each, so this one has eight episodes. Yes.

And they're each, they're beautifully crafted. Yeah. But they're each based on a true story. Yeah. So basically they're individual, obviously, as you mentioned. You can watch one and the other and they don't connect anyway. They've got some big name actors in there. They've got the sexy priest from bloody. Andrew Scott.

Andrew Scott from Fleabag. Yeah. Aaron just shot Gary Carr So they're like They're a couple A gay couple And they adopt Well no not adopt Olivia Cook

Is a homeless woman And they decide to I'm not up to that one yet Oh really Yeah yeah Oh okay Well they decide to They want a baby

And she wants to give up Her baby for adoption Yes So they go through The pregnancy with her Okay gotcha So that's a great episode So the thing about this is It's so sad, a lot of it.

Like it's a love story but a lot of it's like, oh, my God, this is so sad. I know. This is bitterly sad. But it's really good. There's one that I didn't think I was going to like and it's with Anne Hathaway because it's kind of framed at the start like a musical. And what really took me out of it was not the – I love musicals. You know that.

I'm a big fan. You love them. But it was the Anne Hathaway of it, because she was the biggest actor that I'd seen in it up to that point, and it was really obvious, I'm like, this is Anne Hathaway, Anne Hathaway, this is Anne Hathaway, kind of, look at Anne Hathaway doing her great acting that she's got. And her great singing and dancing, yeah. But, and then kind of, it takes a turn, because it's about she's bipolar.

That's what it's essentially about. And it's a really interesting insight into her life or the life of a bipolar person and how you manage that with like a job. It's like you counter it by, you know, like where your work ethic is extremely high and you're feeling really positive and you get a lot done and then it's weeks and weeks just kind of in bed. And it's also how that bleeds over into friendships and the dating world and things like that, things like that.

It's a really good episode. The one that I just watched I really liked was Tina Fey and John Slattery. Oh, the marriage breakdown, yeah. It's that thing of like it's so mean and awkward and it actually had a line in it that I laughed out loud that I never do like in anything do you remember when there's a moment because John Slattery is an actor and he's and he's like and he's talking about how my hobbies are they're talking to a counselor I'm gonna butcher this but he's like my hobbies are um cooking cooking and she goes it's not you're not cook it's not your

hobby your hobby is your job you're an actor and he she goes he's like well that still counts or whatever cooking is my hobby and she goes still counts or whatever. Cooking is my hobby. And she goes, well, fine, going to the toilet is my hobby. Yeah, she's so funny. I love when she falls over and he stares at her. She just like flips and she stares. And she's so mean. In the restaurant a fan comes up and he never gets fans

and he never comes up to take a photo. And it's like a sort of I'd say a middle-aged woman and she just rips through him and says how he's enjoying it. Yeah, and her and it's just so awkward and awful. What's interesting about that episode in particular, like I agree with Tina Fey for the most part in it, but really I'm like if I'm either of these characters, I'm the John Slattery character out of these two,

which is kind of depressing. But it's, yeah, it's just really, really good. There's a Dev Patel one where he's like a dating app kind of entrepreneur guy and it's about, it's a love story and a parallel. It's like another love story that he's talking about. And it's, I don't know, it's a lot about like forgiveness and friendship.

It's not just two people coming together. Anyway, you've probably got more to say about this than I do. Well, because the Dev Patel episode is really beautiful. Catherine Keener is in that. Yeah, she's great. And she is brilliant. She always just pops up in things and she's great and smart and funny. And in that one she's a journalist interviewing him as this kind

of like app guy and he tells her his personal kind of love story of, you know, love gone wrong and then she tells him because she's older about this love story that she had with Andy Garcia, not actual Andy Garcia, the actor. Andy Garcia plays her love interest. She's married now but this guy that was like a sliding doors moment and she's thought about him for 30 years. Yeah, 15.

Doesn't really matter. Oh, well. Doesn't matter. 15 years. Anyway. 17. Sorry. All right.

There we go. Yeah, it's 17. Anyway, and it's just it makes you cry. It makes you think about life and about how, you know, choices that you make and he it kind of comes out there's a twist at the end about why he didn't show up for her on the day and they you know never saw each other again and it's so heartbreaking and real but yeah kind of beautiful it is yeah it's really beautiful um I also really enjoyed the one the last oh you haven't seen the

last one have you no there's the one at the end um haven't seen the last one, have you? No. The one at the end is about sort of a couple that meet when they're in their 70s. Okay. And it's just beautiful and it's terribly sad as well. Sure. But it's, yeah, it just makes you think about relationships and love and what it means. The doorman one's really good.

Yeah, did you like that one? I really liked that one, yeah. Yeah, that's Kristen Milioti who you'd know from How I Met Your Mother as Ted's eventual mother, like the mother of his kids. And Black Mirror, the Star Trek episode of Black Mirror, yeah. Yeah, and I wasn't sure if I'd like it at the beginning. I was like this seems a bit unbelievable that the doorman would be so, you know, caring about her.

Why would he care? But by the end you're just like crying. It doesn't matter. No, it's beautiful because it's also about families and kids. It is, yeah, and love isn't necessarily, you know, a person that you meet and there's bloody romance and bumblebees and whatever. You know, there's other elements of it and it's not always good

and easy or fun. Yeah. There's definitely something in there for everybody, I think. I think so, yeah. I think you'll sort of see a reflection of you somewhere in it. Except if you like Paul Rudd because he is not in it. No, but, you know, you can go and watch the movie about living with two Paul Rudds, James' dream.

It's a TV series, Claire. Man burner time. I don't know why I said that. It's so gross. All dream. It's a TV series, Claire. Man burner time. I don't know why I said that. It's so gross. All right. It's man burner time, everyone. You just stole my suggestion. Well, I wanted to talk about it together.

Oh, it's so cool. Did it make you think about us, James? It did a little bit, yeah, because, you know, in every kind of story, you could definitely pick out elements of things that have happened in our lives, I would say. I reckon the Devs. Except maybe the doorbell one. Except maybe the doorbell one. Yeah, the doorbell one.

Yeah. I think the Dev Patel episode just reminded me of us in the way they interact with each other. Yeah, right. When they met. That was how when he meets this girl that he like just falls head over heels with in love at the very beginning. And that was the feeling that, you know, when you just zing with someone

and then that was how I felt when I met you. Wouldn't know. Anyway, but it's just and it reminded me of like our first date and that's what's so beautiful about it. And they go to the zoo. We love going to the zoo. That's what I mean. That reminds me because we love going to the zoo and looking at the animals

and you're like, oh, the animal kingdom. I bloody love the zoo. I bloody love it. You planned a beautiful date for me at the zoo. I did. It was so romantic. Anyway, cool. I didn't really. I was just like, do you want to go to the zoo. I bloody love it. You planned a beautiful date for me at the zoo. I did. It was so romantic. Anyway, cool. I didn't really.

I was just like, do you want to go to the zoo? That was the extent of, do you want to get an ice cream at the zoo? No, you didn't. You planned snacks, which you know I love. You do love snacks. In a backpack. No, I know that you need snacks, otherwise you'll turn. Yeah, I know.

My friends have kind of cottoned on to that as well. My son is exactly the same. He needs snacks at all times. Alright, would you have something else to talk about? I do, just quickly. I was going to talk about Watchmen, but I might talk about it next week, because we are running out of time. But this is, I did this for a sponsor this week, but I've got to talk about it

anyway, because I really like them. Alright. I guess the link below if you want to use the offer code, but this is not sponsored. I don't have to say this. They didn't ask me to do this. But I have Raycon wireless headphones, and I've never had wireless headphones before, and these are amazing, and I love them. And they're just – I'm sure they're all very good,

whatever version of headphones that you've got. Because these are the first ones you've tried. But they're so great, and I've just been tangled up in cords for years, Claire, like a loser. And I always thought that, you know, you probably lose one, you don't charge them properly or whatever, but the cases also charges them. Everybody knows this.

I'm sure most people are listening to this like, I'm wearing wireless headphones right now. But I just think it's just this piece of technology that I've kind of been avoiding and they're amazing. They've bloody changed my life. You have and you can answer phone calls. Like you're always like pushing a button being like. I do feel like a dickhead when I go into a shop

and I go to talk to somebody and I press the side thing to mute it or whatever. Yeah. You know what? It's changed my life a bit too because you're always walking around the house with the headphones in and it's the causal tangents of it. And this way you've got it just in your ear and you don't have to pull your phone out to stop the thing. You can just press a little button.

So it's much more like the future. What do you want? I'm always like, Chase. I'm listening to a Paul Rudd interview. For the 50th time. Yeah. While staring at a poster of him in your bedroom. You know it.

Drawing love hearts around him. I would do that, man. What is your favorite Paul Rudd thing that you've watched? I really like This Is 40. I know you do. I like him as Ant-Man, but I don't love those movies. I think he's better in the Avengers movies than he is in the. Yeah, I agree with that too.

I like him in it though. Yeah, I don't know. I mean he's really funny in Anchorman. Yeah. I'm trying to think. He's also in Clueless. He is in Clueless, yeah. Which I kind of enjoyed him in that movie too.

It's funny because I made a video recently about basically fake quotes for celebrities who hate comic book movies and the whole thing is just it turns into this ripping of Paul Rudd and just all these celebrities making fun of Paul Rudd and it just happened to be the week that this show came out and he also went on Hot Ones, you know, that interview show where they eat hot wings. Oh, yes, yes, correct. So it kind of coincided with that, coincidentally.

But, yeah, I don't know. I think he's a really – he's just so affable. I don't know how he does it. He's so funny. Yeah, he is very funny. I really like him in Claremont. And he'll do, like, weird, dumb stuff that clearly he wouldn't have got paid any money to do.

But just for fun. There's this thing called Salaryman, which I'll show you after. It's just – I can't even explain it, but I'll link it below, but you'll either think it's hilarious or you'll think it's the dumbest thing you've ever seen. I'll probably think it's. That was like when, do you remember Salad Fingers? I do remember Salad Fingers.

From so long ago. I remember you showing that to me and not understanding what was going on. Don't link that below, colleagues. It is very upsetting, but kind of just sticks in your head. There's something about it. I very briefly wanted to mention. Sure. I've got a few things now.

That podcast I was talking to you about called Unraveled. Which is that one again? So it's Ollie Ward who is an ABC journalist. His sister-in-law, so his brother married this American woman, turned out to be a con artist and took his family's money. Oh, you were talking to me about this. It's so fascinating. Anyway, so he decides to create the – it's the fourth season.

It's actually Unravel, not Unraveled, and it's called Snowball, the fourth season. And it's really – he just goes deep dives into what happened, why it happened. He starts to track her down because she's never been prosecuted for any of it. It turns out she's stolen money and stuff from multiple people all over the world.

And then the last episode. Are you going to spoil this right now? No, I'm not spoiling it. I'm just saying at the last he tracks her down. Oh, okay. And he gets her on audio talking to him. And it's so fascinating. But it's just really interesting because it's his brother

and they're quite kooky. They're from New Zealand. So it's this kind of – and his parents were involved. So his parents actually lost their family home and all of their savings. Oh, man. So it's really tragic but also kind of weirdly hilarious and it's just fascinating. Plus Flight Facilities does the music for it because Ollie Ward's really

into Triple J and he's a great audio producer and it's just really well made and you just won't be able to stop listening. I've never heard of that. It's a little bit like Dirty John. Yeah. It topped the charts here in Australia. Okay, I'm going to check that out. It's really worth a listen.

I don't like true crime like murder stuff as much. I'm like and there was a grizzly murder and who did the murder? And then at the end they're like, we don't know. It's like very voyeuristic or something. Yeah, something about that I like. Yeah, me neither. I'm not against it. Do whatever you want.

But, yeah. You're not against grizzly murders? No, man. Get out there. Do what you need to do. No. Whatever makes you feel alive. Oh, Jesus.

Whether that be taking the life of somebody else or watching a Paul Rudd movie. Oh, disclaimer. Whatever makes you feel alive. Oh, Jesus. Whether that be taking the life of somebody else or watching a Paul Rudd movie. Oh, God. Well, I, on the other hand, am not for grisly murders but am for fraud. Yeah, good. That's good. Well, no, it's just really – con artists are fascinating. She's just – this woman looks like Kim Kardashian and she's so charismatic that she just convinces like –

it would be at least 20 to 30 people to do all kinds of ridiculous things and she steals all their belongings. Yeah, right. Crazy. Well, look, if you want to reach the show, you can. There are people who want to write a suggestion. Claire's got some bloody suggestions coming up hot right now. I do. But before that, you can tell them about how to review things.

I will while you frantically search on your phone. On your app, you can do it. Right now it's unsuggestible. You can give it a bloody five stars if you'd like to. This is from Pizza Toast Club, which I know you're a big fan of, Claire. You love pizza toast. Oh, bloody love it. It says, perfect blend of serious and silly.

James and Claire have somehow mastered the art of suggesting things without making me feel like I'm missing out on a ton of stuff. And Claire's salad recipes were unexpected but definitely needed. Oh, great. I love a sneaky recipe in there. I know you do. All right. So this is from Jar Elijah.

Thanks so much, mate. She is talking about Eleanor Park that I recommended from last week. Eleanor Park is an amazing read. It was a really important read for me as a teenager. If you want another amazing look at being a teenager and a good emotional read with beautiful prose, seeing how we've got similar taste in novels, I agree, Elijah. You might really like Aristotle and Dante Discover the Secrets of the Universe.

I am totally going to set up. You can hit up at SuggestiblePod to send through a recommendation. On Instagram and on the Twitters and also on the Facebook group. This episode is edited, as always, by the incredible Roar Collings. I love it. Yes, correct. Exactly. I'm just looking at a loony fucking cartoon.

God, he's a fucking idiot. No, he's not. He likes to look at ducks and ducks are cool. I like ducks. We're getting chickens and I'm excited. Yeah. I don't know. We better finish this before it all goes insane. I like ducks. We're getting chickens and I'm excited. Yeah. I don't know. We better finish this before it all goes insane.

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