Suggestible - Marvelous Mrs. Maisel, Marry Me

Episode Date: March 3, 2022

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Boy, is it. Boy, is it all around. What's going on, Claire and everybody on the show that we do? Well, so the pandemic is no longer news anymore. Yep. And instead we're looking overseas at the Russian invasion of Ukraine. Come on, man. And the terrible floods that are happening in Queensland.

Cool. Any other bad news? Okay, so right up top, I want to say I feel like there is enough doom and gloom in the news cycle and maybe we should just make an episode that's light and fun and, you know. Wow, I'm so glad you said that. Full of things for distraction. I agree because this week on Suggestible,

which is the show where we suggest things to watch, read and listen to, my name is James and this is Claire and we're married and we're. That's what we do. We do the thing that they just said. I thought to myself, I thought a couple of things. Now, I don't believe in Valentine's Day, Claire. I find it disgusting. It's just a commercial thing and whatever about it.

No, I'm not really like that. But I'll tell you this, though. This week, because I don't believe in Valentine's Day, I picked two things that reflect when I want to celebrate the Valentine's Day season, Claire. And I didn't just watch these two really trashy like Valentine's Day and love-related things because I've had a four-day hangover. I watched them for the reasons that I said up top.

Which is that you love Valentine's Day? I don't know. What was I thinking? Actually, I don't mind it. Whatever. Do it or don't. Okay. I do think before we get into your love fun-fested, your love fest.

Are you going to do a sad thing? I'm going to say love fest fueled by your hangover. Yes, yes, yes. I do want to say that if anyone is affected by the events that are happening at the moment, if you are in Ukraine, if you are Russian, if you have friends or relatives there, we are so desperately thinking of you and are so sorry for what's happened and are looking for ways to donate. So Collings will put a link in the show notes below to UNICEF.

Fantastic. We've worked with them before for charity. We have. They do wonderful work and there's lots of charities doing wonderful things. Yeah, absolutely. But I do think sometimes we can feel powerless in the face of this kind of stuff. But I do think sometimes we can feel powerless in the face of this kind of stuff. And I also, if you are somewhere in the world that has unrest,

that is experiencing insane weather like the Queenslanders from our country are at the moment, our thoughts are with you as well. That's all I really want to say. It's not much. It's just a tired woman saying that I'm thinking of everyone. And how much more can people take? That is my question, James. We're certainly having a lot of once in a lifetime this thing happens.

Don't you think? I feel like it's been a lot of those lately. I know. And I just. It's almost as if something's wrapping up. You know what I mean? Like something that maybe we're not treating the wood very well. Maybe it's the apocalypse.

Maybe it is. I don't know. Anyway, I just thought before we get into your love-filled funness, that was all I wanted to say. Well, now I don't feel very fun. But we'll set it aside because everyone needs a bloody break, mate. So let's go for it. Where did you land?

Where did you land with your Valentine's Day love fest fuelled by your hangover? I watched a couple of things, Claire. The first one I watched is Marry Me. It's directed by Kat Koiro. Who are we even as a couple? Because I would always be the one I watched is Marry Me. It's directed by Kat Koyro. Who are we even as a couple? Because I would always be the one that would watch the rom-com first. I kept saying, you should watch this and you didn't

watch it. So I'm like, I'm going to watch it. It's loaded in my barrel. It's true. It's based on the graphic novel of the same name. It stars one Jennifer Lopez. It stars one Owen Wilson. It stars one Sarah Silverman. It stars one Chloe Coleman. I'm going to read you the synopsis and you tell me if you think this is the synopsis.

Trick question it is. Pop superstar Kat Valdez is about to get married before an audience of her loyal fans. However, seconds before the ceremony, she learns about her fiance's cheating ways and has a meltdown on stage. In a moment of inspired insanity, Kat locks eyes with a total stranger in the crowd and marries him on the spot. As forces conspire to separate the unlikely newlyweds, they must soon decide if two people from such different worlds can find true love together.

And you might be thinking... That sounds terrible. Is that Notting Hill? Yes, it is. It's Notting Hill, but it's been 23 years and they just remade Notting Hill. But I will is. It's Notting Hill, but it's been 23 years and they just remade Notting Hill. But I will say this, I really enjoyed it. Now it's kind of like pitched as like a romantic comedy, but it's not, it's not very funny. And I don't mean like the jokes don't

land because the jokes that are in here, like it is funny. Like Sarah Silverman in particular is really funny. There's a bunch of stuff that happened, but like, there's like kids involved, which I'll talk about in a bit, which is like really funny and sweet moments. But it's more like nice and fun and like feel good than like knee-slappingly funny. Do you know what I mean? Which is good, which I think is like a strength in it. Like it's not – it's very sincere in a way that doesn't feel like forced, if that makes sense.

Do you know what I mean? It's not like – it's walked that line between like sincere and like saccharine like quite well. The other thing is I guess it's because everybody who's in it is like is very likable. The character played by Jennifer Lopez is not like an awful like out of touch pop star. You know, she's like a little, you know, disconnected from reality in certain aspects and that comes up. But she's not like I don't understand anything. Like do you know what I mean?

She's like a real person. It feels that way. And Owen Wilson, you know, is obviously the same because in this he plays a teacher and he has like a math club that his daughter's in and he's trying to like inspire his math club and whatever at the same time while he's dating this pop star. And, look, it's got lots of like music and like new music in particular, like written for this movie it seems, like a lot of pop hits, Claire. Do you like new pop hits?

Of course I do. Sung by one Jennifer Lopez and other characters. Of course I do. It's got a lot of dancing, a lot of like classroom dancing and things like that, everyone having a good time. And the drama in it like feels real and not contrived because obviously in these things like these couples are like, is this really going to work or whatever?

But it's not like one of those situations where I saw you with so-and-so and they're like, well, I didn't mean work or whatever, but it's not like one of those situations where I saw you with so-and-so and they're like, well, that didn't mean anything or whatever. It feels more kind of, feels more natural and like well-paced in that respect, you know what I mean? They're both, I think Mason refers to like often with movies, situations can be like solved if you just left a post on the fridge, which is like, oh, I was talking to this person because they wanted

to ask me about whatever, you know what I mean? Yeah. Where like nobody has, nobody, explains to the other person what's going on. And it's just really cool and fun. I really liked it. You should watch it, Claire. I think you'd really enjoy it.

It's so far up my alley. It really is. It may as well be called Claire Alley. That's what it should be called. It should be called Claire Alley and people will be like, why is that called Claire? Why is it called Claire Alley? What's that about?

But, you know, you know, you know? Yes. Marry Me makes more sense, you know, you know, you know? Yes. Marry Me makes more sense, though, as a name, I feel like. Anyways, it's available on, like, multiple streaming services. It is in the movies in Australia. Excellent. You can use VPNs. Here's a question.

I love it. Give me a question. Here's a question. Do you think that Jennifer Lopez is a genius? Probably. It's funny because I looked up her age. She's 52 somehow. She looks unbelievable.

And it's like obviously it's hard work and like very good surgery and all of those things and she clearly keeps very fit and all those kinds of things. But in the movie at some point someone's like, yeah, she's on the other end of 35 and I'm like, yeah, she could be. Like you wouldn't know like at all. And Omwusen's probably around 50 and he's still looking good with his blonde mop of hair and whatever.

And Owen Wilson's daughter's really great in this as well. She's really like a really good character and you believe the relationship that Owen Wilson has with her. I love Owen. I do really like an Owen Wilson. Yeah, and he's trying to like protect her from like all of that situation and all of those things. And he's like, I don't really want her to meet this person because from the start

he's not like, oh, my God, I fall into this thing and I'm head over heels. He's like, this is lunacy. Like what do we do? Like I know this isn't real and forever. Do you know what I mean? Why did he say yes though at the beginning? Well, it's in the story but he was just like, I don't know,

they just had this kind of connection in the moment and, you know, you could see that like she clearly like experienced this trauma on stage of finding out what happened to her partner and he was just like, okay, fuck it, I'm going to do this thing or whatever. Okay, so going back to Owen Wilson, I really like him a lot in a lot of different things. What I want to talk about briefly with Jennifer Lopez before we move on is that I think she has to be one of the most hardworking entertainers.

Absolutely. Of our time at the moment. Because when you look at everything she's done and even just the incredible, you know when she did the Super Bowl? Yeah, absolutely. You know, just the artistry that she creates. And I know she's a pop star and she's known for her pop music first. Yeah, that's fine.

She's also a really good actress. I agree. A really good actress. Made music first. Yeah, that's fine. She's also a really good actress. I agree. A really good actress. Made in Manhattan. Yeah. Another thing. And I'm not saying they're like particularly groundbreaking films. Hustlers.

Yeah, but she's always really likeable but also funny but also down to earth in them even though she is ostensibly one of the most famous people in the world. She was in the movie Jack from 1996. Remember the movie Jack? Yes, and she's great in that movie. She's in the movie Anaconda, which also stars Owen Wilson. Monster-in-law.

I just think she does really clever, smart choices. The wedding planner. Yeah, and even though they're very like popcorn stuff, right, like her pop music is very palatable, she's Jenny from the Block, all of that stuff, it takes so much to make something look so easy. I agree. And I think that that and I just think the way she looks in her 50s is obviously because of her enormous wealth and, you know,

access to everything. Secret to ageing. However, yes, enormous wealth, access to everything. Secret to aging is just your age. However, yes, enormous wealth, but at a certain point, and genes, obviously. But really, that is a bloody lot of discipline. I feel like the same with, like, The Rock. Like, he's enormous and obviously he has a million people helping him and he is on, I was going to say almost certainly,

but he would be on some, like, body enhancements to be that big at that age. Most likely. But you can't just take stuff and then you're like the same with her. No, it's just the work ethic that would go into that. It just fascinates me, that kind of level of drive because I feel like in my 50s I just want to lie down. Yeah, just lie down, mate. I'm going to have a lie down.

But if you look at like the movies that she's been in, there's like a lot of good stuff and I wouldn't say is just like, none of this says won Oscars or anything like that, but it's just like things that people enjoy. That's what I mean. And she does it in a way that feels effortless where behind the scenes, there would just be colossal amounts of work. I mean, her beauty lines, all of those things. Anyway, I just really admire that. I think that that she's a really strong business woman as well as being a bloody kick-ass dancer. She's a good dancer. And I often think with dancing especially, and singing obviously is an incredible skill, but pop music in itself and creating hits, an incredible skill. But dancing, you cannot

get someone else to do that for you. You can't get someone else to write. You can get someone to teach you how to dance or design the steps, but you have to dance them. You can't get someone else to write. You can get someone to like teach you how to dance or design the steps, but you have to dance them. You can't sort of record a song and then get it auto-tuned. No. I mean you can a couple of times. Yeah. No, you can.

But that's what I mean. But with dancing, and that's why I love dancing with the stars, I don't know where I'm going with this tangent, just that I think when you watch her dance, the sheer level of commitment and work that goes into that, I feel the same about Beyonce. I just think the amount of work that goes into being that kind of woman. And a lot of people, like, it's also luck and genetics and whatever.

Oh, yeah, and talent. But, you know, again. But you can have all the talent in the world and be nowhere near that level. That's right. You have to bloody work. Like me. To your bones. Anywho, excellent.

I'm really going to watch Marry Me. You really should. I'm into it. I'm into it. All right, can I do my recommendation now? I would love you to give me a recommendation. Excellent too. So my first one is just a bundle of joy.

Season four of The Marvelous Mrs Maisel. It's out on Amazon Prime. Yep, baby, it's back, baby. I kind of fell off because there was a lot of like, what's her husband Joel doing? I'm like, fuck this guy. I don't want to see him ever. Like just show me her and like the people around her.

And the comedy she's doing. Except for him because like he's not interesting. Is that still true? Look, I understand where you went with that and I started to fall into that but then he did become more interesting. Okay. Partly be, be, be, start again. Partly. Partly. But, but, but, but, but then he did become more interesting. Okay. Partly, start again. Partly.

My daughter's doing this thing in the moment where she just goes, beep, beep, beep, beep, and I've just got stuck on the letter B. Yes, I agree. He was boring, but he started a nightclub, and then what became interesting about that was it was set in Chinatown and he meets this woman played by Stephanie Xu called Mei Lin. And Mei Lin is an awesome character. So she kind of flips between speaking Chinese and running this kind of really dodgy underground poker ring in Chinatown.

Is he a gambler or something? Yeah. Or a drunk? I can't remember. He's a bit of a gambler but it's actually, I think, he's her manager. Okay. I can't remember. He's a bit of a gambler, but it's actually, I think he has her manager. Okay, I can't remember. Who is the real gambler who loses all of Megan's money.

There was a gap in these seasons, right? Significant gap? Yeah, there was a big significant gap. I don't know what happened in between that caused that. Anyways, we're keeping it positive. Yes, can I continue with my story? I'm so sorry. I will stop.

So above the nightclub where Maylene's running her poker night, Joel opens his nightclub and they think it's going to be a disaster and he makes it into a success. Oh, Joel. And so their relationship is kind of fun and interesting and May Lynn's character is really kind of kick-ass and bolshy and quite sassy. And so it's this kind of an interesting relationship to follow.

So once she enters the picture, I found him more interesting. Was it also so it's not just like she's interesting, it's that their dynamic is now he's got someone to banter off. Yeah, exactly. And you're kind of rooting for his nightclub to succeed and she kind of wants it not to succeed because they just want a cover for their underground poker ring. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And it turns out, anyway, putting all of that aside, the main star of the show is Rachel Brosnahan who plays the comedian Midge Maisel. And for those who don't remember, it's set in the 1950s and Midge is married to Joel initially and then kind of stumbles into, well, she's always really wanted to be a stand-up comedian. She's always loved comedy. Yeah.

And it turns out that being a stay-at-home mum with two kids in an elegant apartment in New York's Upper West Side seems idyllic. Turns out it's not what she actually wants to do. And when she finds out that Joel's having an affair, she does this incredible stand-up special that, you know. It's really funny. It is. It's super funny.

And it breaks the rule that you always say that stand-up on a TV show is not funny. Yes. But it is so funny. I feel like always say that stand-up on a TV show is not funny. Yes. But it is so funny. I feel like I say that a lot now. There's the rule that stand-up now every time I'm like, yes, this stand-up was good. Yeah. And it's not always good.

And it also, it's interesting because it walks a fine line between like if you actually listen to stand-up, I'm so sorry, I'll stop in a minute. In a minute, you see a listener stand-up from that era, a lot of it is very boring because so much has been built off it, you know what I mean? Comedy ages so quickly and they're like, how about this senator? And I'm like, who the fuck is that? What are you talking about? Anyway, sorry, go on. Yeah, and so what's great about this is A, the costumes, the 1950s kind of styling is just gorgeous.

But Rachel Brosnahan is so funny as Midge and watching the trajectory of her career, it's really fun. Yeah. Like there's so many twists and turns and it's so unheard of at that time for women to be outspoken, let alone be stand-up comics on the stage. And so the battles that she faces all the time with these other male comedians and them not thinking that she's worth anything and then her proving them otherwise but then having to deal

with these egos who can't cope with the kinds of comedy that she's doing which can often be quite explicit and truth-telling. But watching her command a room in that way, it's just so much fun. It's just a wonderful world to immerse in. And what's great about it, I think it's really hit its stride again. At the end of the third season it kind of ends on a cliffhanger where you think she's going on this incredible tour with, like, one of the most famous comedians in the world at that time.

And this is a spoiler. Lenny Bruce? Yes. Sorry, go on. I'm going to stop interrupting you. Yeah, you are interrupting me a lot tonight. I'm just excited, Claire. I'm excited to talk about comedy and romance.

All right. Anyway, at the end of, so she's about to get on the plane and she just the night before done this killer stand-up routine but she talked about a whole lot of stuff she wasn't supposed to talk about and they decided they didn't like it because also she was becoming funnier than he was and there's this kind of dynamic there going on where you feel like she was, you know, causing a stir and they didn't like that. Anyway, so then she gets to the airport with all her luggage and he cancels her

and says she can't get on the plane. And it's this real big humiliation. And that's kind of how the season ends. And so the opening of the new season is so fun and great because one of the fun things about it is the relationship she has with her manager, Susie, who is played by Alex Borstein. And they have this kind of like she's very deadpan, Alex, and then you have Midge's character, or Rachel Brosnahan, plays it so neurotic and all over the place.

And there's this really funny scene where they're both in the cab coming straight back from the airport and Maisel just is staring at the winner and then just starts laughing and stopping and laughing and then stopping and then suddenly just decides she can't handle having anything on her body that reminds her of the like terrible thing that just happened. She starts stripping off all her clothes and then she grabs it. She makes the cab stop and she grabs a branch from the side of the road.

She's standing in her underwear like beating the cab with a stick and it just, it was ridiculous but fun. Yeah. And then you get the feeling that now they're going to rebuild her career by changing the whole scene because what she realises is when she does her best routines is when she's allowed to just be herself. And not be like, I'm this second act to whoever.

Yeah, exactly. But they don't want a woman like that in the industry and so you get the feeling that she's going to try and change that industry. Yeah. And it's interesting because it's set in the 1950s but it could have been set in 2021. Oh, absolutely, yeah. You know, it's that same, I mean, no, obviously there's been like Ali Wong

and so many other incredible comedians. Oh, of course. It's come a long way. It's come a huge amount of way. But if you just look at the percentages alone. Yeah, exactly. Anyway, it's just so much fun. It's by the same writer as Gilmore Girls, Amy Sherman, Palladino.

Is it? I love it. I didn't know that. Yeah. There you go. And it's got that same fast-talking, pithy pace. Pithy, fast-talking times. Yeah, there's a very funny scene where all the different characters

from her very big neurotic family are all in a carousel, not a carousel, a what's that tall, spinny thing? It's got circles, you know, Ferris wheels. It's got circles. And they're all in different little carriages and they have this whole scene where they're all yelling at each other and she has to tell them she's quit the tour and there's all these kind of dynamics going on. It's really fun.

All right, over to you. So it's good. So it's just started back. It's week to week. Is that right? Yeah, season four. No, I think it's all dropped. Oh, wow, okay.

Yeah, yeah. I just haven't watched all the way through but it's on Amazon Prime. Well, I've got something, you know, because it's the season of love and you know that, Claire. I don't believe in Valentine's Day. I celebrate love all year round. I'm happy to. Except for Valentine's Day.

Have you told them yet about what you gave them for Valentine's Day? I haven't. Well, I was going to give that to you on our other spin-off show, our even less successful podcast, just on the city. But, yeah, I did get you a special necklace. I mean, you can tell them if you want. No, you should tell them. You should tell them.

It's made my day. It's made my year, actually. Everybody knows the famous Carrie necklace from Sex and the City. Well, I got one in the style of that, but instead of saying Carrie, it says Clary. And what's great about it is if you ever choose to wear it out, which you shouldn't. I've done once and no one said anything.

Oh, I was going to say you'd have to explain this thing and then people would go, oh. I wore it to school drop-off once and I just wanted to see if anyone would say anything. Yeah. And I wore it, I guess like not ironically, I don't know, I just wore it. Not a single person said anything. And I just like walked around. I was hoping know. I just wore it. Not a single person said anything.

Yeah. And I just like walked around. I was hoping someone would say something so I could be like, it's just a joke. It's not real. So people could be looking and going, what the fuck is going on there? Yeah, people would be like, Jesus, what's going on there? Anyway, it was an excellent gift and I really appreciate it.

Well, I hope you enjoy it. Thank you so much, sir. No worries. I loved it. What kind of novelty necklace can I get you next year? Who knows? Now, um... Introducing Uber Teen Accounts,

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Invite your teen to join your Uber account today. Available in select locations. See app for details. I'm back in 100% for a little show, one of my favourite shows on television. It's called Love is Blind. We're back for season two on Netflix. I worked my way all through season one, which I'm sure you're familiar with, Claire. I've never watched an episode, but you, I know, got very invested.

Okay, so this is what it is. You get 15 men, you get 15 women. They live in separate spaces. They can't see each other. I mean, the men invested. Okay, so this is what it is. You get 15 men, you get 15 women. They live in separate spaces. They can't see each other. I mean, the men and the women are in separate spaces. And then they go into dating pods where they talk to the other person that they're trying to date. But the thing is, because love is blind in this case,

they've all had their eyes pulled out. So they're all screaming in agony whilst trying to find love. No, they can't see the other person because there's like a divider between. So the idea is that you build a connection based on like personality as opposed. Ah, yes, yes, yes. Which leads to all sorts of crazy situations. Let me tell you that much, Claire. And the thing is like it's interesting for me as I'm not a big reality show guy at all

and I don't know what it is about this particular one and why I'm watching it. But you're watching people date and you're like yeah that works you can see why they would get together and all that seems a bit fast but you know at the same time who am I to judge they seem genuinely into each other and that's cool do you know what I mean there's other people you're like oh man I would not do that what is wrong with you oh don't say that that person doesn't even like you or whatever or I can see this is gonna go and you, I mean, even if you do get married, you've fucked up here royally. I mean, I could check your Instagram. I bet if I checked right now I'd know that you weren't actually together now

but I won't do that because I don't want to spoil it for myself. Anyways, and sometimes like a person will be like, oh, you know, I don't really connect with this person or whatever. I feel like it's, you know, I don't know, I'm looking for something now and then when I saw them and I'm like, you're a fucking idiot. That's why, because your personality sucks. This is actually a really good situation that you're in. This is the best you'll ever do and you'll ruin it.

You're ruining it for yourself or whatever. And there's one guy in particular I remember, he's like, you joke too much. You tease me and I want compliments. And I'm like, look at this fucking sook. Get over it, mate. Get over it, I say to him, Claire. That's what I say.

And then there's another moment which goes on about halfway through where this girl's like, oh, I saw you talking to so-and-so or whatever. You were quite involved because they were together. And she's like, I saw you talking to someone else. And he's like, I was just talking about capitalism. And I'm like, wow, this guy really speaks to me as a human being. Anyways, it's very like manipulated obviously because as these things are, they're edited a certain way, you know what I mean?

There's always a villain. There's always a villain and they cut things together and you're like, did that even happen on the same day, you know what I mean, when they cut those things together or who they cut to in their actions? Probably not. Probably not exactly and it's very over the top and whatever. But you know what? It's the best show on television and I'm happy to say that here.

Do you have any questions? Because I just feel like I'm interrupting and you're not interrupting and I don't know whether it's because you're not listening and you hate me or because you're really tired. Which is it? Both. No, I'm just so tired. I don't know what is wrong with me.

We can't ever be both the same level of not tired, don't you think? Yeah. What would happen then in the world? We would just, no one would get a word in edgewise, man. I agree. The earth would spin off its axis into the sun. Yes, great. Okay. I have a question for you. All right, here we go. Here we go. Is love really blind? I think it can definitely help because I think with most relationships and, you know, I think if you don't have the foundation of like this is someone you want to spend time with, then it's eventually you're both going to be super ugly and old. So you need something else there, you know what I mean? And that's something that you can like build and develop over time.

But like I don't understand why you would initially hang out with somebody. I mean if they're attractive, that I get. Don't get me wrong, Claire. Don't get me wrong, Claire. I will. I will. I'll get you wrong. But like why would you put yourself through that if you're like this,

just no, I'm not. I don't like this. I know. You know what's interesting? I had this conversation with a friend who's single and she was saying that what she's observed over some of her friends' relationships, particularly the men, is that some of them, like choosing a partner based on attractiveness and also maybe ability to make their home nice

and cook and do things. Oh, you can do that? I know. You really screwed the pooch on that one. And she is kind of puzzled by it and surprised in a way because they're very sort of smart guys who, you know, have a lot of friends who are women who are very intelligent and have sort of great banter and conversations. But their partners are really lovely.

But there's obviously maybe an intellectual disparity there, or they don't really have similar interests. And I just wonder if like, I don't know what, I'm not even, I don't even have a point to this other than it's just interesting to me whether over time you would regret that decision and whether sometimes people would choose partners based on what their parents' relationship was like unconsciously and then they end up in a situation where down the line everyone's got old and ugly and now you have nothing to talk about. I don't know.

But, boy, do you have a nice house. Well, exactly, and nice throw rugs. Or is it just that people are looking for different things in relationships and is that okay? I think it's probably that, like it's that, but also I think some people just want a mum to look after them. Oh, don't we all? Yeah, I'd love to have.

I mean, I have a mum. What if I had a second mum that lived with me? Yeah. That's what I think it is. Like this person will raise my kids and I'll come home and they'll be there and you know what I mean, and everything will be ready and clean and whatever, which is fine if, like, if that's your relationship and you're both, that's both what you want, that's awesome, you know.

Yeah. But, yeah. I wonder how often that actually works. Like I've seen people and I think it does work both ways depending on what you might look for a particular thing or want a particular thing but that might not necessarily be the thing that makes you happy. Ultimately, it's a very Charlotte Trey situation from Sex and the City. Oh, my God, that's a great example.

She wants the perfect husband. It's a great example. And then all she really wants is hairy Harry. She wants hairy Harry. She does. Oh, look, I know, relationships are complicated, hey, but it is interesting, isn't it, the difference? I know.

But I've seen that with like you meet people's wives or husbands and you're like, what is this? Explain this to me. And you say it to them, to their faces. What is this? And not even like this person's awful. It's just like I don't understand what this is exactly. But then like I don't care, do whatever you want.

And also, yeah, I mean, and this is why Love is Blind is so fascinating. And maybe you get different things from different people. Like maybe someone's like, this is the person I can rely on and I trust and I love and we'll be there for each other. And then I have my friends I go bowling with or whatever. I don't know. What do normal people do? I don't know. Do you know what I mean though? Yeah, I do know what you mean. You get different things from. I don't know. What do normal people do? I don't know. Do you know what I mean though?

Yeah, I do know what you mean. You get different things. Yeah, different people. And Esther Perel who I really love and follow is a relationship guru and she says that one of the problems with modern relationships is that we're expecting to get everything from one person. Sure, yeah. And that's too much pressure on one relationship whereas really

you should have a village of people that you do different things with. And that's important to kind of understand. Yeah, definitely. You don't have to have all of the same interests and be into all of the same things and never have anyone else to do anything else with, you know, because it suffocates each other then. We have three things in common, if you don't mind. Correct.

Sex and the city. Yes. Both the suffocates each other then. We have three things in common, if you don't mind. Correct. Sex and the City. Yes. Both the original and the reboot slash revival. Our first kid, our second kid. Those are the three things. That's the only things we talk about. Thank God Sex and the City reboot came out. I know.

I don't know what we would have done. We'd be staring at each other not saying anything for like 20 years. I was like, I just wanted to watch Love is Blind, so I'm talking about Love is Blind. I want to save this marriage while I can. So fun. I don't know. I mean, because like all of my experience, well, most of my experience,

I guess, is like, you know, being with you. So like I don't know. I don't know what else is going on. Yeah. Who knows? Yeah. Love is Blind? You ever meet someone and you're like, this person's fine,

but you're like, this sucks. I hate this. I don't want to be here. Do you remember that? This sucks fine but you're like this sucks. I hate this. I don't want to be here. Do you remember that? This sucks. Yeah. It happens a lot. Yeah, it's happening in this room right now.

What? No, I'm joking. Okay, I will also say I really like this reality TV watching side of you. Cool. Can't wait for season three. Apparently they already filmed it in 2021. Did you start watching this ironically? I don't know. It was just on and I went, oh, I'll watch this. Did you start watching this ironically? I don't know.

It was just on. I remember. I went, oh, I'll watch this. You did start watching it ironically. I probably did. And then you really got invested. Oh, yeah. And then I was like, oh, watch two.

Look at me. And then I was like, I watched every episode. Yeah, yeah. And then I forgot. You've loved it so much you've forgotten. And now you're just watching it as a fan. Yeah. Which is what happened to us when we were living remotely

when we watched Big Brother. It's true. And we became so invested. Big Brother season 2012. I actually saw that dude who won that year. Yeah. At like a premiere like last year. And like I have no idea what he's up to.

I don't know his name, but I nearly went up and said, hey, I love that season. It was awesome. It's the only season I've watched. But then I'm also like, why would I do that? I'm going to leave this guy alone. He probably would really appreciate it. Probably.

But he was with people, do you know what I mean? You don't need that in your life. I just wanted to be like, I was happy for you, man. I was rooting for you. Like, good on you. You won a million bucks or whatever. That's fucking awesome. Good for you.

I hope you're doing well. Exactly. And good on him. Good on him. What was his name? I don't know. And it was also interesting because he was and presumably still is gay. And in 2012, like, it was like, huh,

I didn't think the Australian public would vote. But then, you know, the same thing happened when the marriage equality thing, like, got voted through. It surprised me. Yeah, because most of our community society in Australia is pretty moderate. Yeah. Like, in the middle. Definitely. But I also think a lot of Australian society in Australia is pretty moderate. Yeah. Like in the middle. Definitely.

But I also think a lot of Australian society in terms of like people getting married, like gay marriage and all of those things and, you know, people who are trans or whatever, not always or non-binary, people are just like, yeah, whatever. I think that's the general consensus for most people. But then there's people who are actively like competing against that because they're fucking miserable people and they should just mind their fucking business. Stay out of it. Shut your mouth.

Yeah, I agree. But also I think that's always the way, right? Like the people screaming on Twitter are the minorities. Yeah. And the majority of us are just trying to get through our days. All politicians are like, this is virtue signaling. Yeah, exactly. Whereas most of us are just trying to get some sleep.

Exactly. God damn sleep. I just want some sleep. Yeah, exactly. Whereas most of us are just trying to get some sleep. Exactly. God damn sleep. I just want some sleep. Get some sleep. I mean, get some sleep. Let everyone live their lives. Do you have Twilight, Claire? No.

Excellent. Well, listen, on Caravan and Garbage, we've done all five Twilight movies. Jeez. We watched five Twilight movies, Claire. That's so many. And Ben and Lawrence edited them. Incredible stuff. That is so impressive. You know what's interesting about the Twilight movies, Claire. That's so many. And Ben and Lawrence edited them. Incredible stuff. That is so impressive.

You know what's interesting about the Twilight movies? No. I mean, they're weird and gross, but by God, they are compelling at certain moments. Like, as opposed to watching, like, the Transformers movies when we did five of those in a row and I wanted to die. Oh, God, those movies are so boring. I know. But there's no, like, connectivity connectivity really between them and I'm like,

well, didn't this guy get cut in half in the last movie? What do you mean Unicron's back? Didn't he fall into a portal or whatever? What's going on? But like there's an internal logic to it. I mean it's not cool. I don't like it. But you know what I mean?

There's like a through line. Yeah. Which I find. I loved the first movie. You loved it? Yeah. I remember loving it. I mean great performances all around.

An incredible cast. Yeah, and I also enjoyed the books. I got really into them. You read all the books? Not all of them. I reckon I read the first two. Oh, that's interesting. So you didn't get up to the book where the werewolf man falls in love

with the baby when it's born. What? Yes, Claire, that happens. That happens in the movie Twilight and the book's Twilight. What do you mean? No, it's literal. The imprint, he imprints on Bella and Edward's baby. But the idea is, you should watch the videos, Claire.

They're incredible. They're incredible videos. But that when they start as like a protector and then they evolve as the person grows into a best friend and then when the person comes of age romantic feelings on both sides occur that's grooming that's grooming claire you're right that's grooming it's grooming yes ew yes no it's weird so weird i agree hey anyway still not as weird as the transformers movies do you know there's a scene in the Transformers movies where one of the guys pulls out a card?

He's like, Mark Wahlberg's like, you can't date my daughter, you're 19. He pulls out a card that's like, well, actually I can because we started dating when we were both in high school and now according to this law that I carry a laminated card that I carry in my pocket, I can prove that even though she's 17 and I'm 19 or 20 or whatever, that yes, legally we can date. I'm like, if you have to laminate a card and explain that to people, you probably shouldn't be dating.

Also, not a real law in real life. So it's like, why is it even in the movie? No. Very strange. It's a strange movie. Written by dudes. How did you know? That's what I'm saying.

Well, Stephanie Meyer wrote the Twilight book. Yeah, I know. So that's. Yeah, I know. But, yeah, How did you know? That's what I'm saying. Well, Stephanie Meyer wrote the Twilight book. Yeah, I know. So that's. Yeah, I know. But yeah, I don't know. There's a whole other thing going on. Oh, there is. An undercurrent of some things.

All right. Well, can we move off the Twilight thing? So I sneak in one. Oh, yeah. I would love you to sneak in a different thing. All right. Okay. So I have a couple of podcast episodes.

I won't go into them in too much detail but I just want to say that I found them helpful for anyone who is having a hard time currently because aren't we all? And if you aren't having a hard time, good for you, you're probably not paying attention. Claire, come on, maybe some people are just like I've got enough on my plate, I've had a hell of a year, maybe I just don't want to look at a missile hit another building.

Yeah, I'm not saying I don't recommend anyone looking at, you know, all the things. Whatever situation, if you're having a situation, I have a few episodes of podcasts that have been helpful for me. One of them is, or there are two from Glennon Doyle's We Can Do Hard Things. One is What To Do With Our Short Precious Life with Kate Bowler. Now, it sounds depressing.

Kate Bowler has been diagnosed with a terminal illness and she's a writer and a speaker and a commentator and you would think, and a historian, and you would think that it would be depressing as an episode. It's actually brilliantly funny and glorious and life-affirming and I just want to bottle Kate Bowler and take her with me everywhere. So if you need a buck up, I mean I know it sounds like a depressing thing, but it's one of those weird things where sometimes in like really dark times

there's actually a huge amount of comedy slash joy. So I just find her really delightful. Another episode that was great was The Big Lies and the Truth About Happiness with Dr. Laurie Santos. And I just thought she was a real no bullshit kind of person, very straight talking with some really practical strategies. So I really loved that. And I can't remember if I've talked about this before,

but I'll just mention it again. The How to Fail Pockets with Elizabeth Day where she interviews Brene Brown came out very recently in her current season of the show. And it is such a great episode and such a wonderful trajectory sort of arc going back over what Brene Brown's kind of career has been like and when she was selling books that no one would publish from the boot of her car and some guy was like oh your book's really great let me use it in my lecture theater and she and he said but who's this publisher and she said oh self-published and he said oh I don't ever use self-published text in my classroom.

What did he think was happening when she was selling her book from the back of her car? Well, no, he was like a colleague of hers in the university. So he liked the book until it was sold? Yeah. How many books did he publish? Well, I don't know. Who knows?

Maybe many, maybe none. I don't know this dude. I don't know him. Yeah. But I hope he's dead. Sorry, please go on? Well, I don't know. Who knows? Maybe many, maybe none. I don't know this dude. I don't know him. Yeah. But I hope he's dead. Sorry, please go on. Well, there you go. Anyway, but now she's obviously Brene Brown,

one of the most famous, important writers on social, emotional. He's dead. The science behind. Anyway, let me start again. Oh, God. You went for a swim. You went for a swim. It fries your brain.

Is that what happened? Yeah, yeah. Because I feel like I'm just keeling over. I'm like struggling through a cement. Let me tell you, Claire, I'm having a hell of a time listening to this story. I'm sorry. Hey, everybody who's listening, we all agree, don't we? Yeah, we love Claire.

We love what she's saying. You can do it. Wow. It's great that we can hear some of our listeners. Every now and then it sneaks through. Are you okay? You know, things have really gone bad. You need your husband to pretend to be tiny people.

No, I'm real. And I'm not tiny. It's just that I'm far away. Anyways, I think you've gone off track here. You're getting a bit giddy. And I'm actually tiny. It's just that I'm far away. Anyways, I think you've gone off track here. You're getting a bit giddy and I'm actually losing concentration here. I might actually switch off. So you better get it together. What was I talking about, Brene Brown?

You were talking about Brene Brown. Oh, yeah. Sorry. Do you want me to stop? She's a shame researcher, James. Well, you don't need to tell me. She researches leadership and shame and resilience and all the things and she's a really incredible science sort of – anyway, she's really great.

Academic scientific mind? Yes, that's what I was going for. She's excellent but she's also really Texan and funny and down to earth and she just reminds you, as I'm always reminded of, that everyone looks like they've got their shit together and nobody does. Yep, that's right. Scratch the surface.

Which I find really comforting. I know, right? And that's it. That's the show. That's all my recommendations. Yeah. Don't you love it? Don't you love it, Claire, when like somebody you're like,

this person's really got it together. Look at this. Look how clean their car is for once. There's no sand in their car. I can't always. There's sand in it. And it smells so nice. And then you find out that you're like, that person has like, I don't know.

Crippling OCD. Yeah, or something like that. And I'm like, oh, thank God. Not like good, but like. No, no. We don't wish a mental illness on anyone. However, it's just good to know that you're not alone. That's right.

In the, yeah, the gloom. Yeah. The belly holding everything together. People think that like a lot of people think like this guy's perfect and he's got it together. He's got a very even temperament. And he's got a lot of confidence. Do they?

Yeah, I get a lot of emails like that. I think people, well, people who actually know you think you're odd. We know James and we're, listen, that person needs to stop. Look, we're trying to do a show here. You keep trying to talk over us. Okay. This is where we're at now in 2022. James has now invented a voice that he's using to talk our life. We're going way over time. I agree. We're always looking at the time suspiciously. You know what, though? What helps me pass the time?

Go over to, listen. You always do a segue very well. Smooth, smooth, professional. That wasn't a good one. I wasn't happy with that. I could have rethought. It doesn't matter. Anyway, I'm hungover still for some reason,

even though it's been four days. You can actually review the show and it helps so much. You can just do it in app. It's as easy as going clickety-clack, here we go. Here, I'm giving something back. Though you don't have to, but, you know, and you don't have to give back. You've got a lot going on probably. But high tide, bracket Steve says, to the old boot and Madam Skinny Knees.

After listening to the alleged more successful podcast, I heard James carry over the topic of Lego from this here podcast. I decided to delve into and may I say I was not disappointed at all. If I could give more stars, I would. Take all the stars like a greedy star thief. You both deserve it. Most things won't change your life. This podcast didn't, but I'm sure glad I had it to binge while nothing in my life changed. Smiley face. Thank you both. Thank you, high tide bracket Steve. That's a very kind thing to say.

That is. And I hope things have changed, but in a good way. Correct. Yeah. Excellent. Well, that's lovely. Well, if you would also like to contact the show with your suggestible, you can at suggestiblepod.gmail.com, just like Michael Smart has done. Now, Michael Smart, this was a lovely email,

and I'm just going to read it out. I'd love to hear it. All right. So Michael Smart has written a lovely email to us with some recommendations and just it is about Ukraine and what's happening there, but I think beautifully said. Well, he's Michael Smart. It would have to be, wouldn't it?

It's very smart. All right. So from my foreign idiot's understanding, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky didn't necessarily have the best approval rating, but I don't think we can say he isn't putting in the effort and being an incredible leader at the moment. His speech to the Russian people is super powerful and persuasive. Now, I've got colleagues to put a link to it if you haven't watched it

in the show notes. It's just so inspiring and incredible to watch. As Michael says, his defiance this week, staying in Ukraine and giving this speech on the second day of the invasion instead of leaving the country, and I think even the US offered to fly him out of there and he's just, you know, standing his ground. Yes. It was just amazing to see.

Yeah, as Michael said, he was replying to the US office to evacuate him and saying that he needs an anti-tank ammo, not a ride. Yeah, I did see that. Yeah, spending time with soldiers, even though Russian special forces are trying to assassinate him, is just amazing. And I don't know about you in Australia, but I can't think of any of my arsehole politicians in the UK

who would dare to be as strong a leader. Nope. As that. You know this dude played the president on television? Yes. Before this. Yes. Among other things.

I just really hope he's. He was a comedian as well. Yeah, he's done it. He's like an entertainer. And I think he's from like a very rich family or whatever. But look, at this point, and I think it's not a good idea to put your entire faith in somebody because, you know, often things end up getting milkshake ducked.

Are you familiar with this? No. So this is the thing. So this is the original tweet. It's from Pixelated Boat. It's from 2016. It says, the whole internet loves milkshake duck and you could replace that for any particular person, you know what I mean, who appears.

So the whole internet loves Milkshake Duck, a lovely duck that drinks milkshakes. Five seconds later, we regret to inform you that the duck is racist. You know what I mean? When you find a thing and you're like, wow, and they're like, oh, no, that duck. And then everyone ruins it, which Mason does with me for every comedian that I enjoy. It's true.

And then he's like, this terrible thing about them. And it makes me sad. Yes, correct. And look, absolutely. I'm not saying I don't know this guy personally, obviously, but as Michael says, I'll just finish his email. When it comes down to it, any sort of peaceful resolution to this is going to need the support of peoples over the world, putting pressure on Putin and reducing even further the number of Russians who actually want to fight. But Zelensky seems like the guy for that. And he says, Slava Ukrani. So on a lighter note, here's a compilation of Zelensky winning the Ukrainian Dancing with the Stars.

Oh, yes, I did see this. From maybe three years ago. And on a completely unrelated note that's cheerier and just to annoy James, since he was making up that he didn't like singing during your Christmas episodes, there's also another YouTube link. Cheers and thanks for the pod. Oh, my God. This man does it all.

I know. He's the president. He won a dancing competition. Incredible. Look at this man dance not only by himself but with and among the stars. Correct. Anyways, I hope he doesn't die because that would be very demoralising. You know what I mean?

Correct, yes. And there is like the fear that if this, you know, if a very strong leader disappears then the whole thing can turn into a horrible Afghanistan situation, you know what I mean? And it's just like, yeah. I know and I guess that's what's been blowing my mind as well is the courage of him to be on social media, to stay with his family. He's got kids as well, still in Ukraine.

Now he's meeting with the leaders this week too. I would leave. Yeah, I know. Yeah. But I'm a big coward. Do you know what else? I saw this is just on a total other note. I was clapping because it was To Kill a Mosquito,

so people went like, woo. Sorry, go on. I know we need to finish. This is a total other note. I was clapping because to kill a mosquito so people weren't like, whoo. Sorry, go on. I know we need to finish. This is a very long episode. But I did see a writer being interviewed from Ukraine on the ABC yesterday and he was saying strangely that his time in Ukraine, for whatever reason, is one of the most poignant, romantic kind of times he's ever witnessed,

which is so strange. But it reminded me of that when you're going through really dark tragedy that life becomes technicolour. Sure, yeah. And I think he was referring to just the way that every ordinary person is making huge sacrifices to try and protect their home and standing up in this kind of David and Goliath situation. And no one really knows where it's all going to go. But just that spark of humanity and courage that he was witnessing every day on the streets where he

walked, which I know I'm sure has happened in so many other places in the world too. Of course, yeah. This is just the latest in a long line of. Correct. Afghanistan, Palestine. A lot of events, yeah. I know. It's just, I mean, so many places in the world have faced and are facing this kind of conflict.

Yep. Anyway, but it just reminded me that human beings also have so much goodness. Yeah. You know? Absolutely. Yeah. Wow. Anyways, I can't wait to hear people writing in and going,

oh, actually Russia's right and whatever. No, we probably won't get it on this, but if we talked about the weekly planet, we would inevitably get that email or comment. Everyone has different opinions. Sure, but that one's not right. Anyways, let's go, Claire. Yeah, sending big love to everyone out there. We certainly are.

And thank you for listening and I hope you're doing well. Love you. It's just nice to bookend another show with an awful world event again. You know what I mean? Yeah, I know. It's just good to come back to that tried and true format that people come here for. I've read a couple of comments from people who've gone back in time

and have been listening to Suggestible from the start and have been saying how strange it is to listen to us pre-pandemic talking about some of the terrible things and thinking we had absolutely no idea what was going to happen. I get that, but like more in relation to actually that person wasn't in the Batman movie when you said that in 2014. I'm like, yeah, I know because I also live in the present day, idiot. Anyways.

Anyway, all right. That's not what I'm saying in relation in the present day, idiot. Anyways. Anyway, all right. That's not what I'm saying in relation to this. That's a different scenario. Anyway, goodbye. I feel like I have to preface everything by saying I'm sorry, all right? All right. Anyway, we've been to Jess for the podcast. Thank you, Collings, for editing.

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