Suggestible - Maude and Megatron

Episode Date: April 22, 2021

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Starting point is 00:00:00 We can wait for clean water solutions, or we can engineer access to clean water. We can acknowledge Indigenous cultures, or we can learn from Indigenous voices. We can demand more from the earth, or we can demand more from ourselves. At York University, we work together to create positive change for a better tomorrow. Join us at yorku.ca slash write the future. You've been to see a movie, James. Join us at yorku.ca slash write the future. Mortal Kombat, when this goes out, people won't be able to, might not have seen Mortal Kombat, but we're going to talk about Mortal Kombat on Monday on the Weekly Planet. How many times are you going to say Mortal Kombat? As many times as I can.
Starting point is 00:00:50 It's very late at night. I want to go to bed and I don't want to hear any more about this Mortal Kombat. I want to talk about Mortal Kombat because. Hang on, hang on. I just had a brainwave. Is it called Mortal Kombat because when you're fighting. Go on. You risk your own mortality.
Starting point is 00:01:10 Yes, Claire. And the combat is with a K. And guess what that means? That doesn't spell right. It doesn't spell right. I can't talk today. Any other parents out there tired? But Mark from Aunty Donna and Naomi.
Starting point is 00:01:25 I like those two. They would be into Mortal Kombat. Yeah, that's right. They came on recently. They're coming on to talk about Mortal Kombat. Well, they're experts and I don't give a bloody tosh about it. That's right. So let's talk about something else.
Starting point is 00:01:37 Well, their show went to, it was on Netflix now if you ever see it. I know, it's so exciting. Exciting. Who are we? What are we doing? This is Suggestible Podcast. I'm Claire. It's so exciting. Who are we? What are we doing? This is Suggestible Podcast. I'm Claire. James is here also.
Starting point is 00:01:47 We are married. That's right. And we recommend you stuff to watch, read and listen to. Hey, James over there. It's called Why You Like This, by the way, if you want to check it out. Yeah, it's Romy and Mark's show. Yeah, and others. And others.
Starting point is 00:02:00 But yes, what have you been up to, Claire? I know you've been working on your new podcast. You've been driving yourself crazy, going around in some random circles. Oh, man? I know you've been working on your new podcast. You've been driving yourself crazy going around in some random circles. Oh, man. Yeah, I've been working on this new show. And if anyone listened to my old show, Just Make the Thing, you will know that I am really bad at creativity. And I have a really mean person that lives in my head that tells me
Starting point is 00:02:19 that everything I make is terrible. And you know what? I just want to say thank you for the position. I really. Is it an honour? Yeah, it really is. Look, it doesn't pay well, but it's an absolute blessing. I've decided to name the person in my head Maud.
Starting point is 00:02:36 Maud is a good name. She's a real arsehole. Yeah, just tell her to shut up whenever Maud's doing things. Shut the fuck up, Maud. It's not a word. The problem with Maud is that she just sneaks in just when I'm having fun. I'm making a thing and I'm thinking, this is fun. There's no real rush.
Starting point is 00:02:51 I can make it in my own time. It's all good. And if no one listens to it, that's fine. And she comes in and goes, you're shit and everything. Talks like that? Jesus Christ. No, no. Maud's a little bit more. She's just a maniac.
Starting point is 00:03:05 Yeah, I have a voice in my head and I'm like, shut the fuck up. Shut up. I'm just trying to like do it. I'm working. Shut up. What's the voice in your head? Is your voice in your head more about just like making fun of people? It's all me.
Starting point is 00:03:18 So it's like meh, meh. I'm like, shut up, idiot. Just grumpy. Shut up. I know I'm not good at anything. Shut up. I'm still putting this out. I'm like, shut up, idiot. Just grumpy. Shut up. I know I'm not good at anything. Shut up. I'm still putting this out. I know.
Starting point is 00:03:27 Jerry Seinfeld, that I always talk about, that interview he did with Tim Ferriss, because he just nailed the feeling that I get anyway when I'm trying to write something, which is that everything you write is terrible and mostly mediocre. And he said, you just have to be okay with your mediocrity. And put it out anyway and push through that. That's right. And then hopefully you get better. Yep. And he said you just have to be okay with your mediocrity. Well. And put it out anyway and push through that. That's right. And then hopefully you get better. Correct.
Starting point is 00:03:48 And my newsletter, I've been loving doing that. It's been great. I've just been sending it out. It's on every Friday. You can sign up if you like. I was going to say, before we talk about all the things that we recommend on the show, Claire, they can sign up for that, can't they? Where would they sign up though?
Starting point is 00:04:01 They can sign up in the link in the bio. My goodness. And there's also in the bio in my Instagram at Claire20. But also Colleen's will put a little link in the show notes for you. Put a little. There you go. And if you sign up, you can access all the back catalogue as well when you get the first one that you get.
Starting point is 00:04:17 Sometimes it lands in your junk mail so you've just got to scurry around for it to confirm it. It's not junk. It's solid gold. And every week. Except that Maud said it's for it to confirm it. It's not junk. It's solid gold. And every week. Except that Maud said it's not clear. Shut up, Maud. It's not.
Starting point is 00:04:29 It's terrible. Shut up, Maud. Actually, Maud doesn't really speak like that. I can't wait until you meet someone called Maud. I'll just see your eyes narrowed. Just like this one there. Also, if everybody signs up, once a week somebody wins $5,000. Cool hard cash. Who's5,000 cool hard cash.
Starting point is 00:04:46 Who's getting them this cool hard cash? That's up to you. What? Well, don't put that out into the universe. I don't have any cool hard cash. Why is it cool and hard? I keep my cash in the microwave. Oh, my God, that sounds terrible.
Starting point is 00:05:01 Room temperature cash only for me. That's not room temperature, is it? Anyway, we should recommend things. We both watched this thing this week, didn't we? We certainly did. You started it and then I finished it and then you finished it. Yes, you did. I thought we were going to watch it together which never happens. We don't watch anything together. No, because I
Starting point is 00:05:17 always fall asleep. That's the main problem. And then you wake me up and go, Claire, Claire, you've fallen asleep. Go to bed, you. You go to bed. Idiot. Hey, maybe you are bored. Yeah, you know what you're doing? I'm asleep on the couch and you come over and whisper in my ear sweet nothings about how your name is Maud and how I'm terrible at everything
Starting point is 00:05:36 and should never try anything because no one on the level is to do it. That's me. Pachow. You got me. This show, though, it's called Trying. It's on Apple+. It's the bloody store of my life. Am I right?
Starting point is 00:05:46 Yeah, I'm not bloody wrong. It's on Apple+, for the 14 people who have Apple+. If you buy an Apple device, they give it to you for a year. So that's good, isn't it? That's how we get it. That's how we do it. And every six months they release a show and then I go, this is really good.
Starting point is 00:06:00 This is a really good show. Like the morning show? Yeah, that was all right. Mythic Quest I really like, which is coming back soon. They just had a new special as well. Was it a Mythic Quest? Yes. I don't know what.
Starting point is 00:06:14 That's not a joke. You just said it in a slightly different way. Anyway, this show was created by Andy Walter. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. You want to say it in another way? Was it a mythic quest? No, Maud, it wasn't. I guess it was.
Starting point is 00:06:30 It's created by Andy Walter and it stars Esther Smith and Rafe Spall. What's it about, though? I wish I knew. What do you think it's about? Well, James, lucky I've made some notes about it. Me too. Did you know that it was also the first European offering that Apple Plus has put on?
Starting point is 00:06:46 Apple Plus, yeah. Yeah, of their original shows. Is it in conjunction with the Bibboussir? I have no idea. I think it is. Okay. It probably is. Everything that's British seems to be.
Starting point is 00:06:57 So it deals with the realities of infertility and the adoption process in the UK. So Nicky and Jason are a couple, I'd say in their mid-30s, who tried to have kids and found that they're infertile and get to the end of the road with their IVF and decide to adopt. Yes. I think that it's a really warm-hearted, funny, and honest portrayal of this kind of journey.
Starting point is 00:07:25 Yeah. And I really enjoyed them. I enjoyed of this kind of journey. Yeah. And I really, I enjoyed them. I enjoyed it for lots of reasons. I enjoyed the banter. Like just the scenes of them as a couple in their flat just feel really great. They do, don't they? And quite pithy and lovely. But their fights also feel quite real too.
Starting point is 00:07:42 Yeah. And there's some really heartbreaking moments here. And obviously depending on where you are with your own kind of journey around, I'm going to say journey a lot, who knows why, where you are in your life and with your experience of, say, infertility or having kids or looking to adopt or, you know, wherever you are in your life. Or you hate kids.
Starting point is 00:08:01 Or you hate kids. Exactly because there are characters in this that talk a lot about new parenthood and what that is like and how hard that is or how hard having kids are or the choice to not have kids. Really tests you. It really does, yeah. And I think wherever you are with all of that stuff will mean you'll bring something different to this show.
Starting point is 00:08:21 Yeah. And you might find it triggering or you might find it's not really for you yet. But I just think it's, for us, it's kind of right at that time of life for us. So we're seeing friends going through all these kind of aspects that pop up in the show. And adoption is very difficult in Australia and other places. I've talked about this before. My parents nearly adopted. They tried for nine years and then had three boys.
Starting point is 00:08:46 I was one of those. So, yeah, they went through a lot of this process, which the couple are going through in the 70s and 80s, yeah. And it's really awful because I remember your parents have talked about this a bit too, that the social worker that comes, they kind of have to just go through your life with this fine-tooth comb, which obviously if you just, you know, do the rumpy-pumpy and have kids of your own, I don't know why I said rumpy-pumpy.
Starting point is 00:09:10 That's an awful phrase. That's what we call it. Anyway, if you just have kids of your own, obviously no one's coming knocking on your door, combing through your life. But suddenly when they do this, there's so many hoops to jump through and they're trying to squeeze themselves into these particular ideas of what they think the panel will want of them.
Starting point is 00:09:28 And to this day my mum hates social workers. Totally, yeah. And do you know what? I love that Imelda Stanton plays the social worker Penny in this and she is a sheer delight. And she's Dolores Umbridge from the Harry Potter movies and it's just a completely different role for her. Completely.
Starting point is 00:09:44 She's really great, yeah. And she's so fast talking and she just says the most insanely ridiculous things and initially you think, oh, she's a bit loopy and a bit too intense and it's all a bit too much and they're quite scared of her. Yeah. And then by the end of it you're so, you know. She wants to be on your side, you know what I mean? Yeah, because.
Starting point is 00:10:04 She's not looking to knock people back. She wants to be on your side, you know what I mean? Yeah, because. She's not looking to knock people back. She wants to see the best in people. Yeah, and also she's really there for the kids. Yes. Like you just feel like she's really defending the kids and being an advocate for them and trying and sort of in the battlefield trying to place kids in homes where they'll be cared for and she obviously sees a lot.
Starting point is 00:10:26 So there's quite a dark side to this show that surprises you sometimes because it can be quite light and funny and fun and a little bit romantic comedy-esque and then it sort of deep, dives quite deep into things. What did you think of it? I really enjoyed it and it's eight episodes for those people who do not know. It came out last year because the new season is out on May 14th.
Starting point is 00:10:46 There's a new season coming, yeah. So, yeah, I thought it was incredible and I thought it charts the relationship really well but also the difficulties and the things that it brings up a lot of things in the past because when you do try to adopt, they go through everything. Like you said, they go through everything. So you meet like exes and you find out things that they used to do and you also see like they're friends with younger people and they're friends with older
Starting point is 00:11:07 people and they're friends with people who have kids who are having marital problems, but also maybe regret having kids. It's like, it runs like the whole gamut of like, of, of everything, you know what I mean? It doesn't sugarcoat like any of this stuff. No, I loved the scenes where they're friends who have had two little kids and just want to go back out clubbing. And so they're friends in their sort of mid-30s. They all go out clubbing together and they wake up the next day with the hangover of all hangovers.
Starting point is 00:11:34 And it just, I love that little bit because I thought, gosh, I've felt that where you want to relive a part of your youth or something. And this is the time where we're kind of grappling with that idea that we're no longer those people we used to be in our 20s but we're not quite, you know, kind of middle-aged. No, we're not our parents, yes. No, so we're sort of you want to be those people but then physically it's just awful.
Starting point is 00:11:57 Yeah. And I liked what you brought up too because obviously there's a particular character that Jason meets who's his ex-girlfriend. I think her name is Jane but I can't remember. Maybe, yeah. I thought those scenes with him were really interesting. He meets her in a pub and obviously they broke up under difficult circumstances and his partner, Nikki,
Starting point is 00:12:18 there was a bit of crossover in that relationship and she's very bitter with him. And I thought it was such a, I haven't seen that kind of depiction of a real, a kind of awkward meeting of exes who are also obviously so familiar with each other. Yeah. And there's that weird thing, right, when people have been together for a long time, they've known each other in this really specific way.
Starting point is 00:12:43 Yeah. And they don't see each other anymore. Yeah. But they still carry all this sort of tension this really specific way. Yeah. And they don't see each other anymore. Yeah. But they still carry all this sort of tension but also just familiarity. Yeah, absolutely. And so they share a cigarette and they're, you know, drinking a pint. I thought it was really interesting the way that she talked about the guy that he was and who he is now and she's annoyed that he's better.
Starting point is 00:13:01 We're a little bit spiteful but more like why weren't you like this with me? Yeah. I've written the exact same thing down here, the line she said. Which is something I can really relate to because I feel like I've grown somewhat as a person. I like to think that I have. And there is that I was like frustrated when I'm younger and I'm like, I should be better than this.
Starting point is 00:13:19 What the fuck is wrong with me? Do you know what I mean? And I think it just took me like until like my mid to late 20s to like get my shit together. Do you know what I mean? And I think it just took me like until like my mid to late 20s to like get my shit together, you know what I mean? And you can probably attest to that, no doubt. I'm just going, hmm. Yeah. Well, because we used to have the same fight over and over where I would say
Starting point is 00:13:36 all the things that I thought you could be and could do, and this is even with your creativity and where you wanted to take your career, to move out of home, to kind of take responsibility for yourself and you would say, you think I'm this guy but I'm not this guy. Turns out you are this guy. I didn't. Yeah, I didn't talk about that. But, yeah, that was essentially it.
Starting point is 00:13:55 But, yeah, I think for me it took like working full time and moving out and all of those things to like to get it together and having like class and responsibility and all of those things. And then it's like, and then that's slowly. You're just getting older. Yeah, just getting older as well. But it's also that thing like guys' brains like don't mature until they're like 25 or whatever it is.
Starting point is 00:14:14 But mine was probably 31. I heard that really interesting conversation the other day on a parenting podcast about how men actually lose part of their brain function when they're teenagers. Yeah. And so the reason that they become like monosyllabic and kind of grunt around the house, can't figure themselves out, their bedrooms are often really messy, they're kind of stinky. Forgetting stuff.
Starting point is 00:14:41 Forgetting stuff all the time and they're sloppy and they drive their parents and teachers around them crazy is not just because they're dealing with some hormones but literally because their brain has shrunk. And it will grow, you know, again and develop. But I just love this podcast where the parenting expert was talking about how we really need to put structure around those boys and tell them that, that that's what's happening to their brain
Starting point is 00:15:07 and then give them really clear, crisp instructions like one at a time. Yeah, which is also like I know if that was me I'd be like, that's really condescending. I wouldn't say it like that. But, you know, get the fuck, shut up. But, yeah, absolutely, yeah. I mean everybody needs support but, yeah, the teenage boys are a very particular breed, you know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:15:29 And also as a teenager, like for me, I'm like I'm aware that I'm all of these things but I'm like I can't, like I can't break this, do you know what I mean? Yeah. I'm just like this, you know what I mean? Until you're not like it. Until you're not. Maybe forever, I don't know, but, yeah.
Starting point is 00:15:44 Yeah, no. So, well, going back to trying. Sorry, yeah. I thought, no, don't do it. I think it. Until you're not. Maybe forever, I don't know. But yeah. Yeah, no. So well, going back to trying. Sorry, yeah. I thought, no, don't. I think it's a really interesting conversation. If I do say so myself. Except Maud doesn't. Maud doesn't think it's interesting.
Starting point is 00:15:53 I don't give a fuck what Maud thinks. Tell her that. All right. I've been spending too much time with Maud. Yeah. Tell her I don't need any of her information or business, all right? Or just negativity. Yeah, so I really loved that scene and I liked his right of reply actually
Starting point is 00:16:10 when she says, you just practised on me, why couldn't you be that guy now? It's not fair. And there's a lot of space the writers give to say, he just says, well, it's just life. Yeah. You know, I'm sorry, it's just life. And I think that's such a great answer. But he mentioned also with the new person as well that, like,
Starting point is 00:16:28 the pairing of them allowed him to, like, it wasn't just him. It was being with somebody else and complimenting each other, which I think is also a big part of who I am today because of, I don't think you know her, but she's really great. It's you, obviously. And, yeah, that's made a big difference for me as well. Yeah. Did it remind you a little bit of us?
Starting point is 00:16:51 Yeah, definitely. Definitely, yeah. Not all of it, obviously, but, like, you know, definitely. Yeah, I'd love – one thing I was very jealous of, Nikki, the main character, wears a lot of headscarves. Oh, yeah. She has the exact style that I wish I could pull off because she's, like, short and tiny and dainty and can wear, like,
Starting point is 00:17:08 headscarves and beautiful little dresses and she looks so cute. And she's the kind of woman that I always wish that I wanted to be except when I wear headscarves I look like Toni Collette in a cancer movie. That is what I told you. Yes, you did. And I do. I know I do. So I never wear headscarves.
Starting point is 00:17:22 Not because you wore, like, a full bandana. I think you need to just, like, do the front thing or whatever. You know what I mean. I know I do. I never wear a headscarf. Not because you wore like a full bandana. I think you need to just like do the front thing or whatever. You know what I mean? Yeah, maybe. Also, that's a terrible thing to say to someone. It's a terrible thing to say to someone. Anyway, there we are. So trying.
Starting point is 00:17:36 I really recommend it. Yeah, definitely. And new series is coming up. Also, I wanted to float – I floated this with you when we were watching it, but I just want to – this is for people who love the things that I talk about for some reason. But I thought that Rafe Spall would make a really interesting James Bond. We talked about this because James Bond initially,
Starting point is 00:17:53 like he's not like a muscular dude in a tiny suit with like tiny little swim trunks. Like traditionally he's like a very plain but handsome man and he dresses in suits. A plain but handsome man. Who does that remind me of? I don't know. Who?
Starting point is 00:18:07 Rafe's ball? But like so he wears a suit to fit in. He doesn't wear it to be cool. It's like because that's what people wore when James Bond was originally written. I think putting someone like him in the role, he'd probably have to do some push-ups or whatever, but, you know, he's in decent shape.
Starting point is 00:18:22 I think that would be a really interesting perspective on it. I think they're probably going to go with, like, a person of colour for the next one, which I think honestly would probably be better because it's more reflective of the times and it's something they hadn't done before. But I just think what if you just put a plain-looking dude in? I think that would be. Not that he's, like, he's, like, handsome.
Starting point is 00:18:40 Do you know what I mean? Yeah, but he's handsome in a way that feels achievable. Yeah, exactly. He's not, like, he's probably real-life handsome. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah he's handsome in a way that feels achievable. Yeah, exactly. He's not like – he's probably real life handsome, do you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. There's real life handsome and there's TV handsome. There's like different handsomes. Totally.
Starting point is 00:18:51 And I'm so not into that TV handsome. And traditionally I haven't – oh, Daniel Craig was the first Bond character that I actually was like, ooh, hello. Because he looks like a potato? Yeah, yeah. And I am into potatoes. Spread a mind, Jo. I'm very into potatoes.
Starting point is 00:19:07 He looks like a Polish plumber, Daniel Craig. Which is true. That's so funny. Yeah. Yeah, that's true. Eastern Europeans, this is a big generalisation, but our friend Mo is Eastern European. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:19:19 And they have giant heads, he said. Got a big square. He said it was because, I don't know if this is a true fact, so don't quote me on it, that he has a giant head because back in the day it was like the knights were very long. Yeah, he's basically from the world of Minecraft, so at night him and his block-headed friends would run around and watch out for zombies and monsters.
Starting point is 00:19:40 He's just used like ancestors, not Mo now. That was him. During the day he'd have to build a little hut by like chipping away at squares. Anyway, so basically the whole contention was that his head is really big because his ancestors had to see at night because it was often like, you know, night time for a very long time and day hours were short. And he also said that doesn't translate to now. Like it's a thing that went away.
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Starting point is 00:20:44 So I got recommended a beautiful thing by Robert Harding who is a listener of the show. I'm a listener of the show. Go on. Are you? Sometimes. That's weird. You listen to yourself, are you?
Starting point is 00:20:54 There you go. That's the dog. Can I close the door? I don't know. You keep talking. I'll go open the door. No, I want to tell you about this thing. Yeah, I can hear you, Claire.
Starting point is 00:21:02 I bet it is. No, you can't. Guys, this is so unprofessional. He's gone to let the dog in because the dog likes to hang out with us because she's a podcast dog. Here she is. She's trot, trot, trotting in. Here he comes.
Starting point is 00:21:15 Back he goes. Sits back on his chair. I'm going to have some cornflakes after this. You're looking older. Oh, you're treating yourself, are you? I'm looking older, am I? I was going to say you're looking older every day. I am, aren't I? But I like it. Don't worry, I'm going to dye looking older, am I? I was going to say you're looking older every day. I am, aren't I?
Starting point is 00:21:25 But I like it. Don't worry, I'm going to dye my hair jet black soon. I'm going to freak out. Don't worry about it. My son said that to you at dinner today. He was like, your hair looks different. I said, good, different? He went, yes.
Starting point is 00:21:36 Pretty good, learning the life. It's good. He's really got sarcasm down as a five-year-old and I am here for it. Okay, so Robert Harding recommended Holly McNish to me. She's amazing. She is a poet and she does kind of those like slam. She does not. She does not.
Starting point is 00:21:53 But she does slam poetry. So, you know, there's kind of, have you ever seen those rap battles? Yes. Well, there's also poetry battles that they do. I know. And they're really, I know it's not really up your alley, but I think you would really love her poetry. Yeah, I'd have to go on.
Starting point is 00:22:07 No, you actually. Are you going to read one? No, I'm not going to read one. I'm going to get Collings to play a part of one at the end of the show. Well, I'll have to listen. There's so many good ones. There's one called Nobody Told Me that I'll get Collings to play and it's all about Megatron.
Starting point is 00:22:23 Megatron the Transformer? Correct, yes. Okay, which version of Megatron. Megatron the Transformer? Correct, yes. Okay, which version of Megatron? The one that transforms into a jet, the one that transforms into a tank or the one that transforms into a hangar? Can you call it Rain Man from Transformers? Can I finish? Is it Megatron from Beast Wars who might be a different Megatron
Starting point is 00:22:39 but he changes into a dinosaur? Maud, it's time for me and you to hang out together alone. You go talk to Maud. You see what she thinks about Megatron. I'm slowly going insane. No, can I finish telling you why it's about Megatron? What about Megatron? Okay, so it's about becoming a mother and about her son
Starting point is 00:22:54 who is obsessed with Megatron and how he thinks Megatron is a superhero but she talks about how she is actually the superhero because of what happened to her body during childbirth. So Megatron's a bad guy. What is she talking about? Well, you have to listen to the poetry. Okay.
Starting point is 00:23:10 Because our son likes Megatron too. Megatron's a villain. He's not a superhero. Well. She would have meant Optimus Prime. Yeah, maybe. No, but it's called Megatron. I'm sure it's called Megatron.
Starting point is 00:23:20 I don't know. Maybe she's referring to Optimus Prime because Optimus Prime was originally a worker called Orion. No, it's Megatron. It was called Orion Pax and then he was transformed into the leader of the Autobot Resistance and he's the last Prime and got the Matrix of Leadership but Megatron. Sorry, go on. What can you tell me about this poem about Megatron? So annoying. I don't know how Collings is going to edit my rage out. Good luck. Anyway, it's a really interesting poem and it tells the really brutal stuff about motherhood in a really funny, engaging way. And the way she recites her poetry is really cool. She's also written books as well. She has a really interesting poem entitled White Children
Starting point is 00:24:07 and that's kind of hard to read but it's really about white fragility and about how white people think they aren't racist but they totally are and the things that are said to people on the street and just the circumstances in the UK at the moment and a lot of that stuff. It's just really, really great and really well written. So I just loved her. And, Robert, thank you so much for your recommendation
Starting point is 00:24:34 because you knew that I would love it and I do. There's another one called Cherry Pie which is also really great. Is it a metaphor? No. Actually, there's one other poem I wanted to talk about briefly that's called Brick and she writes about and I just thought it was so beautifully done. She writes about how in that poem, and this is going to sound strange,
Starting point is 00:24:56 but touching like crumbling bricks turns her on, which I know sounds strange, but she delves into sort of like crunching ice turns it on and music. Isn't that a thing of people like eating terracotta and stuff like that? Yeah, it can be. It's not really about that though. It's more about how sometimes the sexuality and the sex scenes and the things that are portrayed on TV and on our screens are very kind
Starting point is 00:25:20 of narrow in what sexuality and what kind of can create that kind of frisson between like chemistry and, you know, and make you alive and build that kind of sexual tension. And she said it's so narrow and this poem kind of encompasses, I think, maybe more female sexuality in a way that it's much more around story and experience and touch and texture and the hand on the small of your back or snow falling on your face. Like you're with a guy and he does a really cool karate kick
Starting point is 00:25:53 and you're like, oh, my God. Or he talks for a long time about Megatron versus Optimus Prime. He's just not a superhero. That's all I'm saying. I mean, arguably none of them are superheroes. Annoying. I'll do what our son does. You're annoying me.
Starting point is 00:26:07 Anyway. They're more warriors but go on. Oh, God. I wonder if any partners out there can relate. I'm tired. All right, anyway, it's a really great poem and I think it encompasses a really specific kind of feeling that like pornography and sex scenes and that kind of really male lens about thinking about, you know, that kind of stuff.
Starting point is 00:26:34 It's just so one, it's just so narrow. Yeah. And I think often that kind of frisson is created through shared experiences. Did you get the word frisson emailed to you this week? No, I didn't. I'm just asking. Your word of the day. Oh, no. Anyway, I just mean that like being turned on isn't just about sex but about being like sort of, what am I trying to say?
Starting point is 00:27:01 I understand what you're saying. Lighting is what lights you up and excites you and, you know, all those sorts of things. It's like a kindling as opposed, like that you kind of, depending, like that you build towards, like a roaring fire. Yeah, yeah, and it's kind of like a zest for life and the things that are, like food and all of that stuff. Anyway, Holly, I'm brutally murdering how fantastic her poem is.
Starting point is 00:27:24 So it's so worth a listen. And that's it. So Holly Bigish. So where can you find this? So hollypoetry.com. You can find her there and all the links to her YouTube battles, like her poetry battles are there as well. And I'll get Colleen to put a link to Nobody Told Me Megatron
Starting point is 00:27:40 because it's all on YouTube. But she also has books and things too. I'd love to see her live one day if we ever get to leave this country and go back to the UK. Can you bring a knife to a poetry battle? All right. Do you have anything else to say because I'm done, I want to go to bed? I do have one more thing but we are around the half an hour mark
Starting point is 00:27:59 so I'm happy to save it for next week. All right. Should we talk about how people can review this show? Certainly, sir. That genuinely does sound good and I will check it out and I will listen to this podcast back and I will hear that poem. I've really merged it. Oh, just on the other thing of poetry, poetry is not a luxury.
Starting point is 00:28:17 Remember that Instagram account I recommended? Yeah. The wonderful Sarah Friedman recommended it to me or Sarah Friedman. So thank you so much, Sarah. I really, really appreciate it and I'm sorry I didn't recommend you and say your name when I first talked about that Instagram account. Did you get a very angry message? No, I got a lovely email.
Starting point is 00:28:38 Anyway, your turn. I got a very angry email here actually. Oh. It's from Maud. No, I got a review here. You should never make anything ever. That's it. You can do it in an app.
Starting point is 00:28:50 It's as easy as that. You open up your app and you go bada bing, bada boom. Give me a bloody, give me an app. Good time, you can say. Bada bing, bada boom. Shoo-ba-dee-shoo. I haven't got the name of this, but it says, I love this planet. Have found this through the weekly planet slash big sandwich.
Starting point is 00:29:04 I have been reminded of how much value my $9 is. The interplay between James and Claire is fun and heartwarming. Makes me think of my woman and myself discussing our next thing to watch. The content Planet Broadcasting is putting out is fantastic. I'm barely listening to any other outlets. I used to listen anymore. Thank you so much, guys. And not all mums, just this mum, because I don't give a shit about Transformers,
Starting point is 00:29:25 is going to catch on. Just wait. That's the hashtag that you did on the show. I don't know if you remember. I don't remember. So this review was an older one. I'm just making my way through the reviews. Thanks, mate. Look at that. I made a hashtag. That's kind of hilarious because I do just keep yelling about Transformers again today. That's what I'm talking about. Today. So there you go. That is from SuperDC30. Thank you so much, mate. Oh, my goodness.
Starting point is 00:29:52 It's good to get reviews, isn't it? Do we ever get any emails or would you say those emails come via or did you work them into the show already? No, no. That's really good. And actually we have a voice memo email. You told me we didn't have voice memos so I didn't bring my headphones in, Claire. I know, but you can listen with my headphones.
Starting point is 00:30:12 Have you already listened to the voicemail? Okay. Yes, I have. You told me not to bring my headphones in, Claire. I lied. All right. You got me. I got you.
Starting point is 00:30:22 All right. Real good. Are you right there, old man over there? Go for it. Good old Jim Jam. Okay, you ready? Hi, James. Hi, Claire.
Starting point is 00:30:31 Recording this while coming back to my house. It's a really steep slope that I have to walk to, so I figured I'd do this right after listening to your podcast. I wanted to call in or do whatever this is to suggest actually an anime. I know that James is the anime expert, so he probably knows this one. It's called Keep Your Hands of Eisuken. It's a 13-episode show. They might have a season 2 eventually, but right now they don't.
Starting point is 00:30:59 The episodes are only 20 minutes long. And it's an incredible show about three high school girls in a really weird world. Making an anime by themselves as a school project. And the animation is fantastic. It's directed by Masaki Yuasa. Who's the director for Devil May Cry Baby. Maybe James knows that one. And I think you guys should really check it out.
Starting point is 00:31:23 It's a really fantastic and innovative and creative show. And the female characters there are incredible. And they really break out from the norm of a lot of female anime protagonists. So if you Google it, the art style is incredible. And that should give you a pretty good idea of how it feels. Also, I'm halfway through the slope. Love you guys. Yep.
Starting point is 00:31:48 Good luck on the rest of the slope. I hope you got there in the end. I don't know if you know this, Claire, but I'm the man who knows everything about anime. That is a recurring character on the weekly planet. It's a joke because I don't know anything about anime, like at all. But no, I find anime like impenetrable, do you know what I mean? But that sounds interesting to me because it's only 12 episodes
Starting point is 00:32:06 and they're 20 minute each or whatever it is. So yeah, that sounds real. And the art style sounds incredible. But I've already forgotten the name of it so I can't Google it right now so I'm going to have to go to the show notes when I'm listening to this and then I can remember. Do you have it there, what the name of it is? Yes, it is called Keep Your Hands Off, E-I-Z-O-U-K-E-N.
Starting point is 00:32:28 Isoken? Isoken? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Isoken. Isoken. Thank you so much, Andre. I do like this answer. And you can also send your voice memo.
Starting point is 00:32:37 Just record it on your phone while you're walking up a hill. A gel. Why not? And send it to suggestforpod at gmail.com. We would absolutely love to hear from you. Yes, and or you can just write us a letter because we love that too. Yeah, we're big fans. Yeah, so hit subscribe in all your podo apps and rate and review.
Starting point is 00:32:56 That would be awesome too. And we've been suggestforpod. That's right. That's it from us this week. What do you think we'll do next week? Do you think anything exciting will happen? Based on our previous lives, probably not. Interesting.
Starting point is 00:33:09 Anything off of the week? Actually, it's 2021. Who bloody knows what will happen. Martians might land by next week. Well, didn't they capture footage of a UFO recently or whatever? Yeah. What I love about it is now they're like, you know, there might be UFOs and everyone's like, who cares?
Starting point is 00:33:22 Fuck off. Like nobody cares. I don't care at all. Aliens. off. Like nobody cares. I don't care at all. Aliens. Is there? All right. I don't care. I don't care.
Starting point is 00:33:30 Yeah, but this is the thing. There isn't much that you would say you cared about. You know, it would be a very, like, big move from your standard character if you went, aliens, how interesting. Look, man, if they came down and there was a picture and one of them had a press conference or whatever, I'd probably scroll through Twitter to see what was going on and what hashtags were trending.
Starting point is 00:33:53 And then I'd be like, this is a marketing campaign or something. Do you want to read? I call total bullshit. Me and Maud together are calling bullshit on you today. Again, I don't care what Maud says. Tell Maud to shut her mouth. I'm not interested in her opinions. Now they're going to be like, who are we talking about?
Starting point is 00:34:11 No, I call total BS on that, Jim Jam. You know why? Why? Because you love space. You love space with the cool, like, no, with a burning passion. Space isn't like that, though. Like a little boy holding a packet of chips. No, space isn't.
Starting point is 00:34:27 You love it. I like sci-fi, real space. There's nothing out there, mate, like nothing close. Can we get the quote? Can we get the quote? There's something out there, obviously. Just move a right to NASA and say, don't worry about it anymore. James said there's nothing out there.
Starting point is 00:34:41 I don't think there's going to be like a green man in like a white jumpsuit who's going to come down and be like, you join the Galactic Federation and here's bloody interstellar travel or whatever. But is that what you want? Yeah, something cool. If he just comes down and is like, I'm a squid and I'm from like, great squid man, that's really interesting.
Starting point is 00:34:56 Go back to the fucking ocean world you live in. So what you're saying, so you don't think there's going to be like an interesting life form? No, because unless there is the theory that humans are actually, you know, aliens as well. That would make a lot of sense. I was reflecting again today on how bad we are for the planet. Anyway.
Starting point is 00:35:14 Yeah, or primates are, I guess, a species that arrived. Isn't there that theory about octopuses as well? Yeah, but I don't think there's. I think that's just because they're just so incredibly amazing. The situation that we, like, evolved to on this planet, it's so unlikely for it to happen and let alone happen within, like, shouting distance of another planet, you know what I mean? Like it's so specific and random or God did it, whatever,
Starting point is 00:35:43 that, like, it would be unlikely that someone comes down and is like, hello, my name's, I'm just like you're supposed to have a green head or whatever. It's just not likely to happen. That being said, 2021, maybe that will happen and people will message people like, you idiot. There was a guy who came down, he spoke English, he had a galactic space gun and everybody, whatever. At this point, that's my theory.
Starting point is 00:36:02 That's where I'm at. It never occurred to me that you would just really secretly love it if, like, there were parallel universes and an alien came down in a proper spaceship with a proper helmet to, like, welcome you back to his home planet. I don't want none of that. I don't want to go to your weird home planet. I don't care.
Starting point is 00:36:17 Yeah, you do. No, I don't. You totally do. I don't want to go to space. I don't even want to go to France again, let alone space. And France was great. I had a great time. We had a great time.
Starting point is 00:36:29 We had baguettes. We sat and watched the Eiffel Tower. We watched it. We kept an eye on it. We climbed it as well, but then we watched it twinkle, twinkle at sunset, which I'm sure if you're from France you find, you know, very tacky, but I, for one, loved every second. I felt like I walked around and there were just violins playing everywhere.
Starting point is 00:36:47 We stepped into the street and there was just like a cheese market. Your sister, though, who lived there for quite a long time, has a different opinion on France. Yeah, I know. But we were there for like three days. I like how she talks about their skinny little firemen. Yeah, they're all one step away from a heart attack. Apparently, yeah. But they're all one step away from a heart attack. Apparently, yeah.
Starting point is 00:37:05 Apparently. But they're all very lean. Yes. But she said lean and weak and their ligaments don't look properly. Well, anyway, we should go. Maybe they're all made of foie gras. They might be. At a point that softens you up, doesn't it?
Starting point is 00:37:19 What is this shit? If you're from France, we think you're great. Oh, look, I got your word genius email. Syncretism. Thank you. Why are you checking? Is that because you're from France, what do you think you're wearing? Oh, look, I got your word genius email. Syncretism. Thank you. Why are you – is that because you're checking my email address? No, because I had to link up your email account, so I've got to turn these alerts off.
Starting point is 00:37:33 Oh, is that why every time I get an email you're like, oh, what was that email? Well, sometimes I also need to know what some of this is because it's, like, related to me specifically. Sure. Like a sponsorship. Let's go. I'm going to have a cornflake because I had enough of this.
Starting point is 00:37:47 Okay. We love you guys. Talk to you next week. Goodbye. Bye. He said, Megatron's the best one. If I was one, it's him. Optimus Prime's all nice and shit, but it's Megatron who really wins.
Starting point is 00:38:01 I've listened so many times to this since last week's sodding Transformers hit. And I smile until today. I say, Megatron ain't shit. Last year, my hip bones moved another half an inch back together. He said, Holly, Megatron lives forever. I said, Megatron's not real. If you want to see a real life Transformer, come and have a feel. And now I'm almost back to how I was before that seed took life.
Starting point is 00:38:41 Complete transformation without one fucking robot fight. But no one makes an action film of this. In fact, all our bodies have to show for it. There are a few marks on my belly. My hip bones stayed apart a bit and my breasts are pretty saggy. But the saddest thing of all is that I'm told these marks are bad. But they're the only few reminders Y peth fwyaf anodd yw bod y margau hyn yn ddrwg, ond maen nhw'r unig ffyrdd o adnoddau o'r broses y mae gennym ni, fel ymgeiswyr amser wirioneddol. Rwy'n dweud, mae Megatron yn ddrwg. Yn hytrach na gyd-dynion i gynhyrchu, i ffynnu a chyflwyno plant. Ac yr unig beth mae ein bodd wedi'i roi ar gyfer y prymus optimus hon
Starting point is 00:39:23 yw bwt o crem stretchmark. for this Optimus of Primes is a pot of fucking stretch mark cream to try to hide the signs. Thank you. I love you, Emma. This podcast is part of the Planet Broadcasting Network. Visit planetbroadcasting.com for more podcasts from our great mates. I mean, if you want.
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