Suggestible - The Undoing

Episode Date: November 19, 2020

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Bing bong, bing bong, bing bong. Was it gone? It was gone. Hi everyone, it's Suggestible, the show where we say, listen to this. Watch this thing that we watched. And you might be like, I already watched that. And we're like, well, that's up to you then. Why does this happen every time?

I know. She's been quiet the whole time. The baby makes so much noise. I'm Claire, by the way. James is here also. We're married. We have two kids. Sorry, but I just got a baby monitor And she was silent for like an hour.

She's down for the night. And then as soon as we start recording. We're nowhere near her, by the way, so it's not like she can hear us. No. Or can she? We drive up the street. We go to a different studio. We let our kids fend for themselves.

We do. It's free-range parenting, mate. That's how you do it, mate. That's how they did it in the 70s. That's right. Oh, my goodness. In the 70s, people used to just drive their kids to the pub, leave them in the car with a juice box, get sozzled, then drive home.

Yep. But they were like, well, that's how it should have been done. And we grew up all right. Heads up, you didn't. There's something wrong with you. Your fucking brain is broken. You can't see that. Oh, God, this is going to be the Boomerant 2.0.

I still sometimes go and listen to Tom Ballard's little rant about boomers. Yeah, it's good. Even though, hashtag not all boomers, we have lovely parents who are boomers and they're great. Exactly. However, everybody needs, I think, to get some counselling. Well, they're coming for you. They're coming for all your properties and your negative gearing.

I'm going to dump you in a home. No. You'll die alone. No. We're coming for all your properties and your negative gearing. We're going to dump you in a home. No. You'll die alone. No. We're coming for all your stuff. We're going to fix global warming. There's nothing you can do about it. I don't want any of this stuff.

All my mum's stuff is very old and heavy. I don't want any of it. I want none of it. No, me neither. Anyway. My parents are like, can we just burn this down when they pass? Just burn the house down. That is a terrible thing to say.

They won't be in it, probably. Anyway, let's recommend some stuff. Anywho, let's get recommending stuff. Gentlemen's first. Sure. You old boot. You're doing a lot of finger guns at me with that one. I appreciate it.

Pachow, pachow. Gotcha. You never know where I'm going to shoot you from the hip with me with that one. Which I appreciate. Pachow, pachow. Gotcha. You never know where I'm going to shoot you from the hip with my old boot in. It's true. Stick a boot in you. Did you see Uncut Gems? Uncut Gems. Gems with Adam Sandler?

No. You told me to. Didn't watch it. Yeah, it's pretty harrowing. So I thought I'm going to go back. Look, I'm loving some Robert Pattinson at the moment. He's the new Batman, obviously. Robat, Bat and Bat. Robat, Bat and Bat, some robert pattinson at the moment he's the new batman obviously uh bats bat and bat he's got bats bat and bat yes which is filming at the moment he's also uh

he's also of course in the new movie tenet which mason and i talked about on our more successful on the very recent release in melbourne even though it's been out everywhere else for like six months and james had an existential crisis because we've been locked down for so long and that was the thing that broke you it wasn't not being able to see people. It really did. It wasn't the social distancing. It wasn't the masks. Don't care.

It wasn't not being able to get your hair cut. No, don't give a shit. But Tenet set you over the edge. It did. But then I got to a point where I got well past it. So by the time I saw it, I was just like, whatever. I could never see this and that's fine. And then you said you came back and I thought you would be like,

the first time I've been in a cinematic experience, movies of my life. I'm so happy. And I was like all prepped and ready for you to be coming or like skipping your daisies. And I was like, you didn't even say anything. You just walked in and made yourself a sandwich. And I was like, James, how was it?

And you were like, yeah, it was all right. And I was like, what do you mean? You went to him and he's like, if I could have got it at home, we would have just watched it at home. 100%. What? 100%. You don't, you and our son, mate, the same. Don't enjoy things. I think cinemas should like, it's a wonderful business and I don't

want it to disappear. And I like going to the movies but if I had to choose, I wouldn't go, ever. Anyway, like I didn't even dawn on me because I know a lot of people are like, when I got back in the cinema, I hadn't been there for eight months and I felt home. I'd forgotten that I hadn't even dawn on me because I know a lot of people are like, when I got back in the cinema, I hadn't been there for eight months and I felt home. I'd forgotten that I hadn't seen a movie since Bloodshot. Like it didn't occur to me.

But it had tortured you that you couldn't go. No, it was just the saying of it. I don't care where I say it. I watched it on an iPhone vertically the way Quibi intended. You're such a bloody miserable sod, aren't you? I'm miserable. I just don't have a preference for that. You and our son, you're like very similar and you both are so grumpy and you don't like doing anything.

It's true. Oh, mate. His kinder teacher's cottoned on that he doesn't like doing anything either. No, he's up to it, yeah. And he thinks it's a secret that she doesn't know. That was hilarious. That he hates going to bush kinder. I should go on to this.

He does this thing called bush kinder where they go out in the, not the wilderness, they go to like a park in the, in the, not the wilderness. They go to like a park, like a nature reserve. And they do it every week for a few hours. And I forced him to do it because I knew he would hate it. Yeah. They put on gumboots and like waterproof pants and they run around. And as I did at that age, he fucking hates it.

But he doesn't tell, like he tells us, but he doesn't tell her. And I'm like, tonight at dinner, we're like, did you tell your teacher that you don't like it? And he goes, no, it's no, I keep it a secret. Anyway, when you went to pick him up from Kinder, the Kinder teacher clearly knew that he didn't like it. Yeah, she knew exactly what's up, yeah. And there's a group photo.

I wish we could post it. So funny. Of Bush Kinder. And all the kids are lined up on this lovely log in the sunshine. The teachers are beaming. They're all like all in different colours just looking like joyful. All these mates like cheeky grins, arms around each other and there's our little dude on the end with the death stare of the century

and I bought him these bright yellow gumboots. So he sticks out like a sore thumb and he's just hates it. He pretends to be Batman and goes into one of the bush huts and refuses to get out. I understand that because I spent a lot of time in the bush as a kid and, like, I have no tolerance for it, like, at all. Like, I like it but, like, to a point.

And especially, like, in gumboots you can't walk properly, you're clomping around and in, like, hot, sweaty over your regular pants i told you this we've got to get on with this but look i'll just quickly tell the story when i was a kid about his age they uh i went down on this like it was like this little scout kind of thing it wasn't scouts but it was something like that and they're like we're gonna go and cook damper which is like this form of like it's australian bush bread it's Australian bush bread. I love it. It's so good. You cook it and then you have it with butter and jam.

It's always my favourite thing. But to be fair, I love bloody everything. It's bad bread, right? And there was a moment. It's terrible. It's not good. Anyway, and it's always got like grit and soot in it. It's no good.

Just have regular bread. Just have regular bread. Regular bread exists. You don't need to cook bread in the fucking dirt. Just have regular bread. Regular bread exists. You don't need to cook bread in the fucking dirt. Anyway, so I remember there was a moment that they took us out to, like,

this relatively remote place. It wasn't that. So the bush in many ways is like an orchestra and all the sounds of the bush that they make music for. You listen for the birds and the swooshing of the trees and the animals and the cracking of twigs and bark and, you know, and all that kind of thing. So if you close your eyes, you'll hear like the music of the bush. Right. And so everybody closes their eyes for like a minute and I'm just like, I'm just, I'm listening. And I'm like, it just sounds like fucking birds, mate. Like I didn't even, I'm like, there's no rhythm to this. It's just like, just like,

leaves like rustling. I'm like, this is just, this is like nature. Like, I don't, there's no rhythm to this it's just like just like it leaves like rustling I'm like this is just this is like nature like I don't there's no there's no tune and in that story is the fundamental difference between me and you because we did that exact same activity when I was a kid and I lost myself sick just dreaming up music like I was bloody i still do it now i literally recorded a video on my instagram this morning of me just like out under a tree don't tell me don't tell me it's music don't tell me it's fucking music because it's not that was not set up but that i literally did that but it's james i'm not one of those guys who's like like certain music like rap music is a music or opera isn't music

because I don't like it or whatever. All music is valid. This is not music. It's just nature sounds. It's just nature sounds. There's a reason why you can't be like, oh, the number one track this week is three minutes of fucking tree swaying in the wind.

What about like Enya? That's different. Anyway, I've got to do this. We've got to move on. We've got to get on. We've gone for way too long. Anyway, Good Time is the previous film that the Safdie brothers did, Uncut Gems, and it stars Robert Pattinson,

and one of the Safdie brothers plays his disabled brother, and what he does, they're kind of this lower class kind of family and they look out for each other, and his brother's doing counselling, but he doesn't like that. He likes to kind of be in charge of him and like look out for him more than anything. So Robert Pattinson, though, kind of gets him to rob a bank with him. So they rob a bank together.

But from there, everything just goes like south. Tits up? Tits up, exactly. So his brother ends up getting caught and the rest of the movie is Robert Pattinson being on the run while his brother. With his tits up? He's got his tits up. While his brother's in jail, everybody in the news

like knows this thing has happened and knows who he is. So he's trying to gather enough money initially to get bonds to get him out. Or then he kind of, he pivots when different situations happen. And he's like, actually, I found out where he's specifically so I can get him out of the, like the hospital. And I can put my tits down. You can put your tits down and relax. With your tits down, you feed up. That's what he's thinking. So as all these things are happening and he's like pivoting to different ideas and things. Pirouette-y.

Yeah, you find more about all the characters and their relationship and specifically him. And he's not a bad guy. Well, he is. But he's in like a dire situation and it does have that feeling like Uncut Gems where the walls are just closing like the entire time. So it's like this hum of anxiety. Yeah, totally.

Will he wear his bra? Will he not? We should, especially if he's running. But that's up to him. I'm not going to force anybody to wear a bra. That is totally your call. But it's really, like I'd never seen it. I knew about it and I knew it was good and I knew that he was good in it.

But it's terrific. It's really great. I really loved it. It's not fun. It's one of those things I feel like I say that. That's for you. It's really great. I really loved it. It's not fun. That's one of those things I feel like I say. That's for you. It's like the same with Uncut Gems. It's not fun.

You won't enjoy it. I think, if anything, it's probably a little lighter than Uncut Gems. Okay. Maybe, but not much. So it's pretty grim. It's pretty fucking grim, yeah. But not terrible. Look, I watch grim stuff.

I've got a grim recommendation today, mate. Yeah, no grim things in you. I've got so many grim things. Anyway, a good time. It's on Netflix or it is in Netflix Australia. A good time but it's actually a bad time. No, it's a good time. Not every movie has to be fun and bright, Claire.

I don't recommend fun, bright things. I recommend murder mysteries. We got a review a little while back that was like, this show has become repetitive. James recommends a doomsday thing and Claire talks about murder mysteries. And I am here for it. You love what you love. My next one's not a doomsday thing.

It's all fun and rollity. Anyway, what have you got for your murder mystery? Okay, well, just before I get to that, I have a sneaky extra. You know I like to do that bonus record. You're chucking them in. My wonderful cousin, Daniel Woodhouse, has a band called The House of Wood. And we've been meeting for ages. Talk to your lovely listeners about two of his songs I bloody love.

And they cheer me up a lot. And he's very clever. He's been a musician for a really long time. One is called Arisha and the other is called Step Inside. And his band's really funky and really fun and great. He's been working for a really, really long time in the music industry and this is his kind of latest album and it released and it was like, you know, everyone loved it and they did some really amazing gigs.

He's also really good. It's not like, yeah, he's family so let's just promote this thing. He's genuinely good. Yeah, correct. Exactly. I wouldn't promote it if I did think it was great. Anyway, he's just full of joy. And then the pandemic hit.

Yeah. Like right after they released this album, they got all this traction and like loads of people at these like really fun gigs. So they were just like sending energy and love out into the universe. He's also an activist and a vegan and just all around funny, great guy. Yeah, he's a really good guy.

I'm not just saying that because he's my cuz, but he's also just awesome and really hardworking. And the pandemic hit. And so, you know, things are sort of. Kuntur's okay. Yeah, he's also just awesome and really hardworking. And the pandemic hit and so, you know, things are sort of – Kuntur is AP. Yeah, he's AP and everything. Anyway, so he's on Spotify. It's called House of Wood and he's got a whole lot of tracks there but Arisha and Step Inside are my faves.

Absolutely. Cool beans. Okay, back to my next one. Yeah, great dude. And he plays a trumpet and it's bloody awesome. He plays so many instruments. Yeah, he's one of he plays a trumpet and it's bloody awesome. He plays so many instruments. Yeah, he's one of those freak people that can just like play a million things and then goes, oh, yeah, I'm just teaching myself how to play, I don't know,

the bassoon and the next minute they're like playing a concerto on the bassoon. That's kind of him. How does he do it? I don't think he plays the bassoon but, you know. I bet he could. I bet there's a woodwind instrument that he could compare it to and then play. I mean I play the flute but, you know. Shut up.

Not that great. No one cares, Claire. I mean, I play the flute, but you know. Shut up. Not that great. No one cares, Claire. I know. The flute's so rubbish. It's not rubbish. No, it's not. But it's not useful. Like, I did it for so many years and you can't whip it out.

You talked to me about useful. I played the trombone, so let's not. Yeah, I know. But, James, you didn't commit to it like I did. I did all the exams for it. I got really, really good at it. Who can bloody whip out a flute at a party? No one wants to hear someone play the flute if you're sitting around a campfire.

What about jazz flute? Well, I used to play the jazz flute, actually, in a band for a while. Pretty cool in high school. Anywho. What's your other thing? My other thing. Oh, it's so good. It's called The Undoing.

Oh, yes. It stars Nicole Kidman and Hugh Grant, the old Foppo Fops. He's terrifying in this actually. He gets kind of spooky. It's set in New York. Forget about it. It's an American psychological thriller miniseries based on the 2014 novel You Should Have Known by John Harmf Kurlitz.

The miniseries premiered on HBO on the 25th of October 2020 and they're releasing it old school style, one episode a week, which is kind of, it's hard because you really have to really wait and it's quite now biting. There is something about that, though. I like that there is that difference between dumping them all at once, like The Crown and this method, yeah. I do too because it does, I mean, we go back to this a lot. It's that idea that kind of Spotify has killed as well that we used

to have with music where when scarcity makes something kind of precious and you value it more. It was a bit like when they used to release Game of Thrones like that, hey, and it was like a TV event. I remember when people used to like Game of Thrones and talk about Game of Thrones and now everybody's like, can we not talk about Game of Thrones anymore? Well, they just stuffed up the ending, didn't they, really?

They shouldn't have botched it. Maybe we'd talk about it more. They're like, the prequel series is coming. No one gives a shit. No, because they botched the ending, didn't they, really? They shouldn't have botched it. Maybe we'd talk about it more. They're like, the prequel series is coming. No one gives a shit. No, because they botched the ending. Anyhoo, okay, so back to The Undoing. Directed by Susan Beer and produced by David E. Kelly. Oh, yeah, from Felicity.

Correct. And other things. And other things. And Susan Papandrea and Nicole Kidman. Now, Susan Papandrea is responsible for working also with Reese Witherspoon. Did you do Felicity or did you do Ally McBeal? Yeah. Sorry, go on.

Ally McBeal, I think. And a few others. Didn't he do Mero's Place as well? Probably. I'll look it up. He's, yeah, done a lot of good stuff. So, yeah, Susan Papandrea has done amazing stuff as well. She's worked with Reese Witherspoon on Big Little Lies and also, I think, the film Wild as well.

Anyway, so The Undoing, it starts off as this kind of high society couple. Nicole Kidman is a therapist. Hugh Grant is like a paediatrician. He's a doctor, man. I guess he's an oncologist. He works with kids with cancer basically and their son is really funny and great and he goes to like a very private school. Fancy la la.

Very fancy la la. And the clothes and everything are just spectacular. Nicole Kidman has this kind of really spooky, ethereal air about her, which she often does in her hairs. Back to classic Nicole Kidman, red, curly, amazing. It's not classic Nicole Kidman because classic Nicole Kidman, classic, classic, if you go to the 80s, it's just like a red scary wig. It's just like frizzing and out.

I'm loving it. I shouldn't say scary. I love that kind of hair as well. It's really cool. Well, and this, it's very curly though. Like I would say it's reminiscent of that. Sure. But in a much more sort of, you know, put together and beautiful way.

She's just an incredible looking person. She's got a mousse or a serum that she probably puts in it. Correct. She's just an incredible looking person. I agree. And seems to have now just kind of become ageless. She's figured out the levels of Botox. Yeah, correct.

She really has for a while there, like in the movie Australia with Hugh Jackman where it was a little touch and go. What I find really interesting about her is that she always chooses really complex roles and she's done so many different types of films in her career. Now, I think at one point Nicole Kidman was kind of pigeonholed as like beautiful kind of love interest or something. Yes.

And she has deliberately chosen. She's doing like practical magic. Yeah, exactly. And she could have just kept on that path and instead she's chosen a really diverse range of films that some are big blockbusters like, you know, Australia or Moulin Rouge and then others are these like really tiny films, arthouse kind of films. She's done theatre.

She played Virginia Woolf, you know. She did. That was in like early 2000s. Yeah, she was also in Lion. She played the adoptive mother in Lion, which is amazing. We've talked about Lion. We have, yeah. And part of the reason I find her career so fascinating is that she does choose roles

that have really complex stories for women where it's not really clear. They don't always follow the same kind of trope. And sometimes they're a bit hit and miss. Yeah, right. But I like that about her, that she challenges herself as an artist and you really get that feeling when you're watching a film of hers. Anyway, The Undoing, it's gripping. Basically Nicole Kidman and Hugh Grant's life kind of upends

because a woman is – one of the mothers at the school is murdered. Who was it? And her son finds her the school is murdered. Who was it? And her son finds her. I know. And who was it? And then everything kind of starts to unravel or undo, as they would say. I'm just going to plug this in. I'm just going to grab the charger.

All right. Okay. Sorry, Colleen. My damn legs, Claire. Do you know what my standard answer now is when I go to the gym? I love talking about the gym. I love talking about fitness, Claire. He does, honestly.

What are you telling us? People are like, hey, how was that or whatever? And I'm like, I'm just fucking old. I don't know. Just fucking leave me alone. That's your standard. That's everything. I reflected the other day that we're married, which technically means if all goes well,

we'll be together forever, which means that for the next 50 years, I have to listen to you complain about how old you are. And you're only 37? I don't know. So we've got a long road if this is level of complaining and level of, like, staring into the mirror, looking at all your wrinkles, asking me how you look. Oh, God, it's's gonna go on for a real

long time all right baby monitors oh god any of my other parents out there whatever you think you can delete whatever you like delete it all yes anyway i would just recommend it really fun kind of gripping a little bit anxiety inducing and if nothing else watch it watch it for Nicole Kidman's outfits because they are on point. Absolutely. We can wait for clean water solutions. Or we can engineer access to clean water. We can acknowledge Indigenous cultures. Or we can learn from Indigenous voices. We can demand more from the earth. Or we can demand more from ourselves. At York University, we work together to create positive change for a better tomorrow. I watched Kevin Hart's latest Netflix special.

It's called Zero Fucks Given. Is that a memoir? Is that your memoir? No, this is Kevin Hart's, Claire. You know Kevin Hart, don't you? He's a comedian. Didn't he have like a medical problem? Yes, he did.

I'm going to talk about that. But anyways, I'll start by saying it's fine. It's completely serviceable. I know he's like the most popular comedian in the world, and that sounds like a dig. But I watched 10 Minutes of F minutes of his last special and it was awful it was one of the worst special no it wasn't very good there was like 80,000 people in the stadium or whatever and there's like a like a 40 foot screen behind him and he's like screaming to

this huge audience and it's like a weird atmosphere because there's like too many people there and I'm like and he's like I live in a big house with a big driveway. And then it like appears on the screen and I'm like, I hate this. Anyway, so I stopped watching it. But this new one, so when I say it's fine, it was like it's solid. You know what I mean? It's in his living room because of COVID. Spoiler alert if you don't know that's happening. So he's brought people in.

Are you going to tell us how it all ends? Mate, I don't want to spoil it. But not good. No. It'll be fine. It'll be fine. Don't even worry about it. But so he's brought people into his living room.

It's like a very small and intimate audience on a small stage and he just kind of reflects on like the year that he's had and there's a bit of like, oh, everybody's trying to cancel me all the time and whatever, which I'm like, oh, boo, stop. Like, ugh. Maybe stop telling everyone how big your house is, mate. Yeah, well, I mean, that's not why. There was something to do with Alan and whatever.

I don't know. He was supposed to host the Oscars. I don't really remember or care. But, you know, he's not cancelled because he's very successful and doing these kinds of things, obviously. But, you know, it's brisk and it's fun. It's got, you know, some pretty decent jokes in there. He talks a lot about, like, being rich and famous and, like,

being a family man and how his kids are kind of spoiled now and how it's kind of amusing well like they'll have to fly if they have to ever have to fly coach they're like call him in a panic and they're like they don't understand what's going i'm sure it's all made up and how you have to actually line up at like disneyland as opposed to like if you're rich they'll just you can do all the right 40 minutes or whatever he also talks about because last year he was in terrible car accident and so he talks quite a bit about that, about what happens in his recovery and how he just did like a 60-year-old nurse had to wipe his ass and all these kinds of things.

So he hit all these kind of low points or whatever. And it was interesting. So, yeah, when he was kind of more talking about like his personal life and then I found it like more engaging as opposed to like people are trying to cancel me and whatever. But, yeah, it's fine. You know what I mean? Put it on while you're doing something else, I guess. But, again, I can't stress this enough.

I really hated the last one and I sat through this entire thing like very easily. So it was better. 100% better. What's his kind of shtick? Because I've actually never watched a thing that he's done. I don't know. He's kind of, he's like small and he's like loud and manic.

He's small and it sounds very familiar. And his memoir's called Zero Fucks Given. Jesus. So he's basically you. We're very comparable. We have equal levels of success. But, yeah, no, like he's, you know, he's affable and whatever. Like he's clearly very like, you know, he's good.

What are his jokes about though? I don't know. Like the things that I just said, like his family, his career, the accident that he had. I am. Actually, there's a funny story where he talks about how he took boxing classes and the trainer kind of talked him up too much. So he thought like when he fought like an actual boxer,

he just got fucking wiped, which I thought was quite funny. Yeah, I liked it. It was good. All right. Anyway, what do you got? Excellent. Okay, so I am going to recommend something everyone's probably,

well, not everyone, but a lot of people already know about. Yes, The Crown, season four, with the queen played by Olivia Colman. Oh, my goodness. I've already talked about this before, Unsuggestible, the Queen. It's just the story of the royal family in Britain. Britain. But the last season, season three, wasn't so into, I don't know, it wasn't that. I didn't think it was that interesting.

Was it not a great or very interesting period in history? Would you say that's part of it? No, it was still very interesting and there were huge things that happened. I think I found it quite depressing. And maybe also I think I preferred the actors in the first two seasons. And even though I love Olivia Colman, I just really enjoyed those first two seasons because they had this really amazing cast. Even though this cast is great too and Helen Bonham Carter's in it.

I don't know. Who did she play? She plays Princess Anne. Oh, of course, yeah. Her sister. That makes so much sense. I don't know. Who does she play? She plays Princess Anne. Oh, of course, yeah. Her sister. That makes so much sense. I think it's, is it Anne? No, not Princess Anne, Princess Margaret, sorry.

Anne is her daughter, Queen Victoria's daughter. Yeah, no, she plays, yeah, her sister. And in the first two seasons the actress, who I can't remember her name, who played her sister, just does it so well and I guess it's quite racy and interesting in that way. And then you get that cast shift. Yeah, and it's sort of maybe it's just that.

It's the cast shift. Feels like a different show. Yeah, it feels like a different show. It's so beautifully done though. Oh, it's amazing. And this season obviously follows the story of Princess Diana and people have been long awaiting this because of the fascination with her. And I remember.

I saw there's a doc on Netflix. Yeah, there is a documentary. Is that a new one or? I think so, yeah. I'll just take a look at that. Have a little look. I haven't watched that yet. I think that I didn't ever really quite understand the obsession

with Princess Diana. I think I was just that little bit too young to really get it. It's from 2017. Okay. But, yeah, it's new. I think I was just that little bit too young to really get it. It's from 2017. Oh, okay. But, yeah, it's new. I just remember seeing her face everywhere and understanding that she was really loved and that it was a really tragic story when she died. And also kind of hated.

Well, not hated. Yeah, controversial figure, I guess. And then when she died, I remember being just shocked. It was huge. I was quite devastated and then thinking about, you know, Harry and his brother William and all of that. But, yeah, I never really understood exactly what was going on

and why she was loved and hated and all of the things. Emma Corrin, who plays her, does an uncanny job of playing. It's kind of crazy how. It's kind of amazing really. She was 36 when she died. Yeah. Younger than you. Yeah.

Older than me. I know, see, right? Because isn't that interesting? Because we were kids when she died and I remember thinking she was, you know, kind of middle-aged, probably in her 40s at least. Yeah. So, yeah, it's crazy. Charles would have been older though.

Yeah, he was. And that's what this series really explores really well, I think. A, in Season 3, I didn't really know anything about Charles and it's kind of heartbreaking what happens with him and Camilla Parker Bowles. And so they really explore him as a fully fleshed out character and you start to really understand why he becomes the man that he does in the relationship with Diana because she was so young.

She was 18. Yeah, and he was like 10 years older. Yeah, and in love with someone else and not allowed to marry her and she was married to someone else and so he was kind of almost forced into a corner to choose her and the naivety of Princess Diana, they really, and obviously some of this is fictionalised. So she was 18 when they married?

At least when they met, yeah. Yeah, okay, yeah, that makes sense. Really young, yeah. And she was living with housemates, cleaning her sister's flat, you know. I mean she was a lady. She was a teacher, right? Diana, no, she was a helper. Kate Middleton, I think, might have been a teacher. No, Diana was a kindergarten helper. Okay, that's what it was, yeah, right? Diana. No, she was a helper. Kate Middleton, I think, might have been a teacher.

No, Diana was a kindergarten helper. Okay, that's what it was. So she wasn't qualified. Like a teacher aide. Yeah, she was a teacher's aide, yeah. And she seems, you know, very sweet but very, very innocent and no idea what she's walking into and almost sort of in it, as you would be when you're 18, you're a teenager.

You're kind of swept up in the romance or the idea of it. You don't really understand what marriage is. You don't really understand what the kind of heavy responsibility you're walking into is. And he didn't take his hat off for like a few years, but then when he did, he's like his ears stuck out. She was like, wait a minute, this isn't what I signed up for. Anyway, it's really worth watching.

It's really gripping and I've just been watching back-to-back episodes. I've never been able to get into it but I should probably sit down and like properly commit to it, right, because I don't like the royal family. Yeah, and this show does not make you like them more either. Yeah, but I think the reason you might find it hard is the pacing is slow and things happen then very quickly. You have to watch it. You can't do something else while you're watching it in a way

because it happens quite slowly but then also the beauty of it is the sets and the kind of imagery and the way that they portray like expressions on their faces. And so you do have to kind of get absorbed in it, which is kind of quite hard now. Yeah, totally. Because of the way our brains are kind of wired with phones. Anyway, I just thought what an incredibly sad story.

And I had never really contemplated just how miserable, like they really explore Princess Diana's eating disorder. Oh, I didn't know about that. Yeah, and just how isolated she was. I had no idea. I didn't really couldn't, didn't really understand the isolation that she must have fought gone from living with girlfriends in a flat in London to suddenly in this giant palace, Prince Charles was like never there. She barely saw him before the wedding. They barely knew each other. barely saw him before the wedding, they barely knew each other and she's just sort of thrown into this ridiculous media spotlight

and hounded from that day forward. So I haven't finished it yet so it'll be interesting to see where they take it. You do ten episodes of Thingamajig? I think so, yeah. I'm up to episode four. So anyway, but that's on Netflix. Gillian Anderson, interestingly, plays Margaret Thatcher.

The old iron woman or whatever they call her. Yeah, played also by Meryl Streep. Meryl Streep. Yeah, I'm acting Meryl Streep. Meryl Streep, look at my acting. Look at me. I love Meryl Streep though. I like looking at her acting.

I do. But that's the problem with I think Gillian Anderson's portrayal as well. It's so fascinating to see Margaret Thatcher played out in this way and what she goes through. And then I didn't realise there's a story about her son who goes missing in this car race in the middle of I think it's like Argentinian desert or something crazy. And I haven't finished that part of it either.

The problem I think with Gillian Anderson's portrayal of it. Excuse me, oh my goodness. Bless you, is that I can't get over the fact that it's Gillian Anderson in a wig with some kind of prosthetic teeth. They're doing some big Hollywood acting. Yeah, and I love Gillian. I think she's brilliant and I think she's doing a great job. But I don't know.

Do you think maybe it's too heightened? Yeah, I do. I feel like though if you see like interviews of her in real life, she's pretty fucking like up here all the time, you know? Yeah, you're right. I think she's doing a really great job of it. Maybe if I went and watched some of Margaret Thatcher again in real life, I'd be like, oh, she actually did look like she was wearing a wig

and have prosthetic teeth. I don't know. I don't know. I sometimes find when actors do that. I don't get that hair, like people who wear that hair. Like it's so much effort and also like you look like a mushroom. What are you doing? But I think it's from a particular look for women back then,

that helmet hair. Oh, I know. Yeah, it's a real vibe. And sometimes people get stuck in an era with their hair and then it just carries forward. It's the Jerry Seinfeld effect of like he's wearing his buddy's jeans and his runners or whatever. You get locked into a look.

You do. I'm definitely locked into a look. Yeah, a T-shirt and jeans. T-shirt and jeans. Oh, how controversial. But I feel like that's a classic, classic look. Oh, my God, I'm Jerry Seinfeld. Oh, my God. He's feel like that's a classic, classic look. Oh, my God, I'm Jerry Sondra. Oh, my God.

He's having an existential crisis at 37. Anyway, so, yeah, that's on Netflix as well. So I should check it out. I think you should, but also you do have to really lean into it. But actually this season of all of them I think is one of the most interesting. Yeah, see, this is the season where I'm like, oh, yeah, this is like the era that I grew up in. Yeah, grew, this is the season where I'm like, oh, yeah, this is like the era that I. Grew up in.

Yeah, grew up in. I don't know it, but like, you know. No, I mean, it's around 1981 when they get married. Yeah, yeah, which is obviously before I went on. I just think what was one thing that did strike me. It just dominated, though. Like it was in the, you could not get away from it. She was the most famous woman in the whole world.

It was everywhere. Yeah. I'm not just talking about when she died. I'm just talking like every day. Yeah. Like it was all the time. I know. Which is why I understand like the Meghan Markle, Prince Harry thing.

It's making me understand him even more. Of course. Like it killed her really. It did. It killed her. And you can see the choices that the royal family is making. There's a really interesting juxtaposition with her going hunting with who's the queen's husband?

What's his name? Philip. Prince Philip when they're deciding whether or not she's suitable for Charles and they shoot this massive stag. And it's a really kind of clever way and she's so delighted in it but they're clearly making a point that they've got her and it's like killing a stag. It's like killing her.

It's a metaphor. It's a metaphor, yeah. Oh, my God. But you can see how it happens. She's this kind of wide-eyed, really innocent, excited teenager. Can you imagine walking into that at 18? Yeah, you have no idea what you're walking into. 18 is obviously very mature and whatever.

Like you can be that, but there is a big difference between 18 and 28. I would say the difference is it's probably nearly as big as eight and 18. Totally. Like it's, I know every, like you're legal and you're technically an adult and all those things, but that like, it's, it's. Yeah, there's so, there's a lot of naivety there. Just, I think around what marriage means and particularly in that era, in the 80s, I think maybe women and men are more awake now to what it means, to what your choices are in life, I guess, and what it means to commit to someone for that long. Yeah.

But I think in the 80s there just wasn't that same level of discussion around it and you can see her saying yes to this thing and actually saying yes to living in a cage and not understanding that that's what she was choosing. And also the royal family's perspective on it in that she's a young girl that will just enjoy the fact that she's in the palace. She can do what she wants. Yeah, and they haven't, no, not even that.

They just haven't thought about her as a fully flesh human being. Yeah, sorry, yeah, yeah. I mean, as in you'd be happy because you've got everything you need. Yeah, but they don't even think about her. It's all about is she suitable for the role? Can she be moulded into how they want her to be? And is she the right kind of fit for Charles? There's nothing about her being a fully fleshed human being with wants

and desires of her own and dreams and aspirations. And they don't want her to say or do anything other than be this kind of, which I guess is the whole thing about the crown in general. They just want her to be like a silent figurehead that everyone projects stuff onto. Well, I think that's what a lot of royals are or were. Were. I think were.

And what I think broke that, what broke in that era also was you saw them as actual people. Like because a lot of that stuff there was like this understanding in the media where you wouldn't say certain things and like things stayed private because I know, what's her name, had a sex scandal. Fergie. No, the sister of the queen, didn't she? Oh, Princess Margaret.

I know. It probably touches on that in the show. Yeah, they do, yeah. But you remember like there were like leaked audio tapes and phone hacking and all these things started to emerge. It was a lot of this Murdoch shit, not largely responsible, not always. But, yeah, it shifted and you saw like Charles, like all the weird like things that he would say in like private conversations, which I won't repeat here because there's one particularly gross thing.

Did you know it? No. Okay, fine. He wished he was a tampon when he was talking to Camilla Parker Balls. So he could, you know, which is a really fucking weird thing to say to somebody. Yeah. God. I think I said really then.

You did say really. A really, really weird thing to say I think I said really then. You did say really. A really, really weird thing to say. It's a really strange. A really strange. But then again, like part of me thinks there are just some stuff that like people say to each other in private that just should be able to stay private between two people, you know. I agree.

You know, as we're recording. Maybe don't do it over a phone though. Oh, totally. And when you're in that particular role. I'm not saying it's their fault because I think there was a lot of thing of like when nudes are like people are like we shouldn't have taken them or whatever. It's like no, people shouldn't steal them.

That's the lesson. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, exactly. So anyway, it is a really interesting look at a very complex family and it's really given me an perspective. They should strip all the power and money away from, if I'm honest. But hey, whatever. Give that land back to people.

Oh, God, yeah. Look, there's a lot of things that happen in it. They're actually touching on their troubles in Ireland and what they're doing. Oh, yeah, right. The IRA. Yeah, of course. And, you know, all the bombings and all the IRA and, you know, all the bombings and all the things going on there. So that, yeah, it's just a really, really interesting look

at British history and kind of world history too. And there's a lot of kind of timely things when we're thinking now about the global pandemic we're currently going through. In a weird way it's kind of comforting seeing like big global events in history recorded and then time passing and things moving forward and changing and moving on and getting better again and then getting worse again and getting better again. There's something kind of comforting about that, you know.

Totally. It's a continuum. Anyway, that's it. That's the show this week. Let's do some reviews. I've got a couple here, mate. This is what you can do. He's doing's it. That's the show this week. Let's do some reviews. I've got a couple here, mate. This is what you can do.

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Okay. You can also email in the show. It's jessicapod at gmail.com. Correct. Just like that. Last week I got an email that asked me to shut up and I got really enraged. Oh, yeah. I did see that on your Instagram.

I wrote a thing on Instagram about it. So I do interrupt you quite a lot but I will not shut up. I think that was a good learning experience. It was. It's on your Instagram if people want to see it. It was. It was a real actually. I don't think it was intentionally malicious but, yeah.

No, I don't think so either and it was a real lesson, I think, A, in speaking up and saying what you think being a woman and sometimes it's not the first time I've been asked to be quiet or shut up in emails or comments online. Or real life, no doubt. Or real life, no doubt, correct. And I also thought what was really interesting is that you can tell that, yeah, it wasn't necessarily intention that way.

Once I confronted Charlie who wrote about it, he apologised and I think that is amazing and a real lesson in empathy and understanding that people throw things out there, particularly online, forget that there's a real person on the other end. Yeah, yeah. And also you just, I think the other point about it is that you assume knowledge. So often we assume knowledge. Like my rage and anger about the role of women in society and what's happened to us over time and why it's so important to champion female stories doesn't just come from one movie

that I've watched, Fly Bounce and Monsters. It comes from a long history of feminism and women fighting for equality. You know, we didn't have the vote until 1902 in Australia. I couldn't open a bank account in my own name until the 1970s, you know, like that kind of stuff. And it happens all over the world. It's still happening today. And so that's where the anger came from and you just assume people know that.

Not everybody does. No. So anyway, that was that. I've got the perfect solution though. If you're ever talking to somebody in person, they're like, hey, shut up. You go, no, you shut up. That's what you do. Trust me.

It's good. Like shut up. You shut up. You fucking shut up. Go like that. Good. That seems excellent. Yeah.

Anyway, you can go and follow what happened over there on my Instagram at Claire20. But this week I got a lovely email from Bianca Keating. Hello, Claire and James. Hope you're doing well. Hello, Bianca Keating. Thank you all for the amazing episode of Suggestible. I love listening to Claire read a poem, hearing James rant and everything in between.

Yes, that is me. She likes my poetry, mate. Relax it. After your outrage over the lack of female feminine stories, I would like to recommend The Psychology of Time Travel by Kate Mascaran-Haas. I had never read anything like it before. All major characters are female, like a mirror image of many classics

with all male characters. They have diverse roles, characters and relationships, also time travel and stuff. Pretty good. Pretty good. All right. I think I might have recommended you this before, but I thought it would be fitting after last week's episode. Have a lovely week. Pretty good. Pretty good. All right. I think I might have recommended you this before, but I thought it would be fitting after last week's episode.

Have a lovely week, Bianca. We will have a lovely week, Bianca. We will, and we always love to hear from you. Please write in. I was endeavored to try and write back. And actually, one new thing I was thinking of this week. What have you got? If you record a voice memo on your phone instead of an email,

an email at DistressfulPod, if it's good enough, we might just chuck a little bit in the show. But it has to be good enough. It has to be good. If it doesn't actually appear on the show, that means it definitively wasn't good enough. But I just would love to hear the voices of the peeps that are listening. Yeah, we can play them through this machine-y thing.

We totally can. It's not that hard to do. Yeah, so if you would like to, you just email recorded voice. Keep it brief, I would say. Keep it brief. Very brief. Yeah, keep it very brief. Like under 30 seconds, I would say.

Correct. Tell us where you're listening from. Tell us your name, where you're listening from, and what your recommendation is. Yeah, that'll be it. That'll be it. And you can email the show at suggestiblepod.gmail.com. I will.

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