Suggestible - Thumb for a Head

Episode Date: October 2, 2019

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I thought we weren't doing it this week. Oh, you've tricked me. It's every Wednesday we sit down to record together. We're married. We recommend you things. James always goes first. His phone might be buzzing. It's every Wednesday we sit down to record together. We're married. We recommend you things. James always goes first. His phone might be buzzing. It is.

Nothing but professionalism. Get on with it. What have you got for us, James? I told you I was doing this thing where it's just anytime anybody follows me, it's like tells me. My phone's like, huh? Oh, you've got so many followers. And it's like some fucking bot or something.

For you, listener, to let you know, James has many followers on the Mr. Sunday Movies. Oh, my God. You wouldn't believe it. It's people coming at me left and right. For you, listener, to let you know, James has many followers on the Mr. Sunday movies. Oh, my God. You wouldn't believe it. It's people coming at me left and right. And he hates people. With their theories about the new Suicide Squad movie. Don't even worry about it.

Okay, look, here's my first thing to suggest a book. Oh, yeah, because this podcast is all about suggesting things. It is. This one was actually mentioned by somebody last week, and I tried to find it on Twitter, and I couldn't. You recommended it in this very show. It's called Creative Processing with Joseph Gordon-Levitt. If you could find who that was, Claire, that would be terrific. Okay. Well, thank you to that person they mentioned last week.

Now I'm looking. We'll put it in the descriptions. Collings will put it down there because he would have remembered this. No, I found it. It's from Rensler. Thanks, mate. Much appreciated. Yeah, get a new name, whatever that. How many, was it like four Xs in that? No, R-E-N-C-E-L-A-U-R.

Rensler? Rensler. Rensler? Yeah. Mate, you're a legend. Thanks for the recommendation. But it sounded really interesting to me and so I checked it out. And basically what it is, as mentioned last week,

if you listened last week, it's a podcast by Joseph Gordon-Levitt, who people would know from acting. He's in The Dark Knight Rises. He's in 10 Things I Hate About You. He's in that movie where he gets cancer and he dates Anna Kendrick. He's in a whole bunch of different stuff. He's also on Hit Record TV, which is all about videos and filmmaking and just getting out there and being creative.

And that's what this podcast is about essentially. He brings on various guests, directors, actors, musicians, whoever, and he talks to them about, for lack of a better word, their process or whatever, which sounds horrible and boring, I know that. But he's aware of that and the way it works is that he gets listeners to write in with a question, a specific question, and then they kind of deconstruct that over the episode. So for the episode where he had Seth Rogen and Evan Goldberg,

it's interesting because those guys started working together when they were in their early teens, and then they worked their way up into Hollywood and they make various movies and so on and so forth, you know, 40-year-old virgin. And with Seth Rogen and Evan Goldberg, Evan Goldberg is a writer and Seth Rogen does the acting in their various movies and so on and so forth, you know, 40-year-old virgin. And with Seth Rogen and Evan Goldberg, Evan Goldberg is a writer and Seth Rogen does the acting in their various movies and so on and so forth.

They did that Joseph Gordon-Levitt has cancer movie. You've seen it with Anna Kendrick? Yes. Yeah, what's it called? 50-50. It's really good. Yes, it is really good. They did a bunch of other stuff together.

But anyway, the question that they get posed is relating to working with others and how do you deal with working with others because some people are very difficult or some people are very nice some people are nice uh you know like you like you enjoy them outside of work but then when you work with them you don't like them like a podcast that you're forced to do all of these things what are you saying james no i'm still talking about mason hates me but he has to do a podcast regardless no so that's a really interesting episode because they started so young and they work so collaboratively and closely together. He said that's made their marriages better because they've known each other

for longer than they've been married to their wives and they know what it is to compromise and kind of work together and in such close proximity and all those kinds of things. It's a super interesting episode. The first episode he also does is with Rian Johnson who people would know from The Last Jedi or people would hate from The Last Jedi. Like The Last Jedi.

I'm not going to get into it, but every time I mention it, people are like, oh, my God, I can't believe that. I loved that movie. I know you did, Claire. I always talk about the weird milk scene, but I love the weird milk scene. I love the weird milk scene. Because it's weird. Because you just cut it out, but they did it.

And it was great. I know. We always talk about that. It's those little things that add the zhuzh. I agree. I love it. I agree. I mean, I don't love the casino planet horse race or whatever.

I don't even mind that, but it's not amazing. I don't mind it either. You know what is the best? The white sand, the red dust. It's actually salt, Claire, if you remember the movie correctly. Or whatever, and they're like, I am fighting you, smash, smash. Nobody says that. Red dust of the salt.

And to give away the twist, when the twist was like Luke Skywalker's a projection, I was like, oh, my God, I can't believe I didn't see that coming. I know. I was sitting next to you in the movie and you were getting the sweaty palm thing. That only happened the other time we went to see the very first Superman new movie that came out where he like caught the plane and you were sweaty palms.

Objectively not a good film. But you bloody loved it. But I liked that film. But you bloody loved it. But now I don't like it anymore because the guy who directed that is a sex pest. Anyways, thanks a lot, Hollywood. Right. But you did get sweaty palms.

Yeah, now I can't like this movie that everybody hates anyway. So anyway, the Rian Johnson episode, it's interesting because they work together on his first movie, which is Brick, which I don't know if you remember we saw in the cinemas years ago. It's like a detective noir film starring Joseph Gordon-Levitt, but it's in a high school and it's a murder and he's like kind of this hardball detective. Yes, I really liked it. It's a really great film, yeah.

He's great, Joseph Gordon-Levitt. He is, he really is. And like sexy now. He was always sexy. No, because in 10 Things I Hate About You, he was all like weird-eared and goofy and weird and short-looking. Well, because in 10 Things I Hate About You, he was all like weird eared and goofy and weird and short looking. Well, he was like 16 or whatever. Yeah, but he was very not attractive.

Okay. And then something happened and suddenly he is. Except for that movie where he's masturbating all the time. What's that movie? Don John. Yeah, I just don't like that. I mean, it was alright. That's actually an interesting movie. It is a really interesting movie, but it's a bit creepy. Anyway, but he's great. Yeah. So it's, uh, Rian Johnson talks a

lot about how he creates things and he talks about how when he, even when he writes villains, he gives them characteristics that he can relate to so that he kind of cares about them more. Cause if it's just like, he's a villain and for whatever, but he puts elements of himself that he doesn't like in the character, which I think is really interesting. He talks about also mashing up genres and how nothing is really new anymore. But even with like Brick, you're taking existing ideas of a hardball detective story and a high school drama and mashing them together so it becomes this new thing.

So I think it's a really – thank you, that person whose name I've forgotten. Rensselaer. Rensselaer. That's not how you say your name. I'm so sorry. Yeah, I'm really loving this bloody podcast and people should check it out. Yeah, fantastic. I'm definitely going to listen to that now.

I also really love Joseph Gordon-Levitt's singing that he does. You know what he does? The lip sync battle thing? Lip sync battles. Brilliant. I've never seen that show but it must be the least interesting thing that's ever been on television. Oh.

Aside from Celebrity Name Game, which is that Australian show where they just go. Oh, no, where they dress like a celebrity up as like some kind of hat cartoon man. No, I think it's like, no, that's a different thing. You're mixing up your bloody celebrity. Oh, that's the one where they get celebrities. Celebrity Name Game is just celebrity heads, I believe.

You're talking about the mystery singer or the, what's it called? Yeah, I can't remember, but they have a judging panel and Osher Gunzberg is the host. And they get random celebrities to dress up with like a full-on, like alien costume, say, with a head so you can't see their face and then they perform and sing and then people have to guess who they are. You know what's really hilarious about that show? It's in the US they've got a version and you won't know this guy

but like one of the singers who was revealed was Ninja, who's like the most famous video game player in the world, right? So he's probably one of the most famous people in the world at the moment. And so people are like, oh, my God, I can't believe Ninja's doing this. And then in Australia like somebody pulls off their head and it's like it's Gretel Colleen. And I have no problem with Gretel Colleen. But if anybody who doesn't know, which is most people, she hosted Australian Big Brother

from like 2001 to 2008. And the funny thing is that Lindsay Lohan is one of the judges. So she has to pretend to be like, oh my God, it's you, Gretel Colleen. Or, oh my God, it's Australian fast bowler, long retired, Brett Lee. Like, you would know. Though Brett Lee is really big in India. He's massive. He's a massive Bollywood star.

Oh, my God. He is, which makes me laugh so much. I just think that's so funny. Like, Australian TV sometimes is just like, what the fuck are you making? Oh, my God. I know. It's so ridiculous. Though, Australian Survivor this season was actually really amazing.

Well, I think when you base it around people who aren't specifically Australian celebrities and the whole premise of the show is that you need to know who these people are. Correct, exactly. Even though Pia Miranda, who starred in one of my favourite films from back in the day, Looking for Ella Brandy, that book also, if you are someone who has a tween or a teen in your life looking for alibrandi i got a few uh chained up in our basement

no that's a terrible joke you're losing your mind he's in mid trailer making mode i am p miranda was brilliant in that film um and so good that's also just a brilliant book yeah it's really really good there's another one called Chance, not by the same author. There's another one called Saving Francesca, which is the same author. Yes, that's the sequel, yeah. But it's not the same people. It's not really a sequel. No, but it's like –

It's really good also, yeah. And really, really good for just teens. Anyway, if you love the movie Looking for Ella Brandy, then you love Matthew Newton, who's also in Looking for Ella Brandy. Oh, no. He has some terrible, terrible, terrible. He's a terrible bloke. Terrible bloke.

Terrible things. But Kit Gary's also in it, who apparently is Charlie Clawson's nemesis in Acted. Oh, really? Yeah. That's so funny. There's a funny scene in Looking for a Little Brandy, because I was in high school at this time, and my friends and I used to say to each other all the time, it's not funny at all, but Kit always goes, bye, John, like that.

And we just thought it was really funny at the time. So we always used to say that to each other when we were leaving. Bye, John. I don't like that. Well, he said it. Oh, well. Hey, folks. It's Mark Maron from WTF.

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Can I do my recommendation? i would love you too all right excellent so i went to see an incredible musical last night that you were supposed to see and then our son got sick and you sacrificed yourself again because the first time we got tickets for it he got sick and we both stayed home and then last night oh god well like one of us has to go to this yeah and. And you, to be fair, were pretty wrecked and tired. Yeah. And I think also it's one of those things where you would have found somebody to go with easier than I would have. So I was part of it. I'm like, oh God, who do I call? Do I call my friend Joe? He's not going to want to see this. Oh, no, not Barry. He sucks. Barry doesn't suck. He's a lovely man.

Anyway, well, you were right because I found a friend very quickly. Yes, like immediately. Yeah, correct. Not that I have more friends than you, just that your friends don't like doing things like seeing musicals. Anyway, this particular one, the music and lyrics are by Irene Sankoff and David Hine. It has won just every musical award amazingly for Best New Musical

and Best Director. It's just incredible. It tells the remarkable true story of thousands of stranded passengers in the aftermath of September 11 and the terrorist attacks that happened in 2001 when the Twin Towers were hit by a plane. Basically American airspace for the first time in history was completely shut down. Yes.

And so within an instant they had to make a call to ground all of the planes, and they were grounded in Canada. They shot them out of the air. Yeah. No, God. So that was 250 aircraft diverted to 17 different airports. And this musical tells the story of one particular airport. So it's based around the stories of 7,000 passengers from all over the world who were

stranded in a place called Newfoundland on an island off the far northeast coast of Canada. What year was it established? The town? Yeah. I have no idea. I'll look it up. It's actually called Gander, the small town. Because I want to make a very specific joke.

Right. Okay. So Gander had a massive airport that was no longer in use. The actual town of Gander had a population of 9,000. So if you imagine they had six traffic lights. I can't imagine that, Claire. Six traffic lights. They're a tiny town, right? I mean, it's more traffic lights than the town that we live in. So within a couple of hours, they had 7,000 people land from 95 different countries all

over the world who spoke all different languages of different backgrounds and faiths. People who were Hindi, people who only ate kosher, people who were Muslim, people who spoke French and German and English and Chinese. And there were African people as well who came there too, who didn't speak any English. So the planes were grounded initially and the passengers were left for up to 12 hours on the tarmac while everyone tried to scramble around to figure out what to do. The buses were actually on strike at that particular time. So the bus drivers in the town decided to go off strike eventually

to be able to take the passengers to surrounding towns as well. So the musical is based on a collection of interviews that were done by Irene and David. So it's like over a hundred or hundreds of interviews. They went on the 10th anniversary of this particular incident happening. The 7,000 people ended up being in the town for five days. So immediately. Turn your phone off.

It's not a professional podcast. Are you kidding me? All right. Anyway, let me keep going. And somehow a town of 9,000 people managed to feed and clothe and shelter these 7,000 people almost immediately. Is this like a Jesus turns bread into fish situation? Yeah, or more likely everybody turns out to donate food,

all of the schools and shelters. Let's be honest, it's probably what happened in the bloody real time. Salvation Army. And Jesus went, it was me, I did it. They turned an ice rink, like a hockey ice rink, into a giant refrigerator basically. Oh, that's clever, yeah. Yeah, I know.

And so people slept on gym mats on the floor. It was high schools and churches. People opened up their homes. The mayor, because it wasn't just Gander, there were surrounding towns as well. It's just so remote there. So the only reason they had a big enough airport to hold the 38 planes was that it used to be a stopover because back in the day planes couldn't make it all the way across the ocean without refueling. It's true.

Yeah. Look it up, people. Planes were different than now. Oh, you're so annoying. No, it's true, Claire. I'm agreeing with you. Exactly. Planes couldn't just fly over things. They needed to stop for like a newfound land, which, by the way,

established in 1497, more like oldfound land. Got him. Is that why you wanted to do that? Yes, that's why I wanted to know the joke. That's the only reason you looked up the founding. Because if it was like 1967, I'd be like, well, I can't really use that joke now, can I? Oh, God, you go to many lengths.

Yeah, for a crap joke. For a crap joke. Anyway, this whole operation of grounding planes and shutting down the American airspace was called Operation Yellow Ribbon. Also, Canadian airspace was also shut down. So people were basically stranded and trapped mid-flight. And the musical cast is just incredible. The soundtrack is kind of like folk Irish kind of music

with Irish drums and the fiddle. It just is really toe-tapping and amazing. It's kind of like that scene in Titanic where everyone's like... It's totally like that. And the poor people have so much more fun than the rich people and the snooty foods. Well, it's not really. It's more just that it's all done in one act as well.

Oh, right. Yeah, so all the actors... Oh, gosh, it was probably about. It's more just that it's all done in one act as well. Oh, right. Yeah, so all the actors. Oh, gosh, it was probably about an hour and a half maybe. So you don't break for food. No. And the actors are incredible because they have to play a multitude of different characters and different characters with different accents because they're playing people from all over the world.

Any blackface? No blackface. I know. Justin Trudeau wasn't a part. Why did he do it? It was 2001. He broke my heart. He broke my heart.

It was so black as well. I know. Like he went so black. And not just one. And the hands. He did his hands. We're talking about the Canadian Prime Minister. Everyone knows Claire.

It was like everybody's dream who turned out to like have a go-to party outfit that turned out to be blackface. He would have had so much blackface. And it was like at least three times, possibly more. I think we're like the same age. I think he might be two or three years older than me. Let me look it up. Anyway, good guy.

He's very handsome. Not as handsome as you. Well, I was going to say. Well, I don't know. Anywho, yeah, so each of the cast in this musical have to play, I would say, at least four characters, and it's just breathtaking the way that they do it. They're all kind of ordinary people too, dressed in kind of, you know,

regular clothes. So it just gives you a sense, A, of the confusion, of the terror, of the ordinary stories of people meeting in that kind of ridiculous circumstance. So he was 29. He's much older than me. He's like 10 years old, 11 years older. So he was 29 when he did.

Okay, anyway. Oh, poor Justin Trudeau. Anyway, Canada is though, despite, you know, his history, he has come out and apologised. Anyway, is obviously such a welcoming place and Newfoundland in particular, the reason why this is such an incredible story is just how beautiful the people are there and how they open their homes and hearts.

And, you know, there was a story of a volunteer just going around people's backyards and just taking all the barbecues out and everyone just offering them cups of tea while they did it and doing like a massive cookout. What a time to be a barbecue thief. What a terrible person. What a time. Anyway, and it just was uplifting and incredible. The show finished with a standing ovation.

Standing ovation. Yeah. It was just sort of as heartbreaking as it was. Would you see it again? It's so beautiful. Yeah, I would. Cool, because I want to see it. And my friend Joe or Barry will not see it with me.

All right. Well, I'll come with you. I'd definitely see it again. I cried. I laughed. It just reminds me. It sounds like Well, I'll come with you. I'll definitely see it again. I cried. I laughed. It just reminds me. It sounds like it captures life, do you know what I mean? Because sometimes in life you're right in high, you're laughing.

Here he goes. And then other days you're not feeling so crash hot, you know what I mean? Well, I guess, you know, something it does, I know you're being sarcastic, but something it does really capture is the loss of innocence or something in our Western culture with September 11. And I know there was a shift and I feel like that has happened even more so now with Trump in the White House and the world

in the state that it's in. There's like a loss of security or a feeling of safety that I guess in the West we've just luckily enough had and most countries in the world don't have, but we've sort of taken that peace and that prosperity and safety for granted. And you kind of see that in this, but you also see individual stories. The pilot of one of the planes was the first female pilot to captain an American Airways plane.

Oh, right, okay. And she's in her 50s and so she becomes quite a main character in the story female pilot to captain an American Airways plane. Oh, right, okay. And she's in her 50s and so she becomes quite a main character in the story and she's brilliant. Her song is just about what it took for her to be a woman and be a woman, be a pilot as a woman and what she faced and then also the heartbreaking turn of events that landed her there and then she's a woman and what she faced and then also the heartbreaking turn of events that landed her there and then she's a mother and kids and then there's also another story, and I won't spoil it because I know

you're going to see it, but of sort of people whose family members were caught up in the terrorist attacks and not being able to contact them and find out what happened. Yeah, right. And it's just also, yeah, it just reminds you that even though the world can be a terrible place, it's also so full of joy and hope. I think if when push comes to shove, people want to help other people, I think in general, no matter who you are. I think when it comes down to it and people are face to face, more often than not, they kind of make that

decision. Yeah, I totally agree. And sometimes they shoot them. So there's two – yeah, there's different reactions. Swings and roundabouts. But generally I think the most people are good, you know. Anyway, so I'll start rambling. Well, their version of good. If you get a chance to see that, if your city is showing Come From Away, I would recommend it with a thousand thumbs up. It's so good.

Okay. That's a lot of thumbs up. Off you go. I have many thumbs. That's true. And ambidextrous. No, that's two hands, isn't That's a lot of thumbs up. Off you go. I have many thumbs. That's true. Ambidextrous. No, that's two hands, isn't it? You're thinking of thumb-by-desk-trix.

Thumb-by-destrous. Yeah. My weird cousin with a thumb for a head. Imagine if he had a thumb for a head. Have you ever seen the picture of the guy? Good old thumb-bo. The guy who looks like a thumb? No.

Okay, I'm going to recommend this. Is this like someone that you know? No, no, it's just a picture of a guy. It's just got a particular angle where he just kind of looks like a thumb. What do you mean? That's it. Like his head looks like a thumb? The way that the angle, it's angled.

Yeah, it just looks a bit like a thumb. Okay, can you, colleagues, can you also link that picture of the thumb man? I mean, I don't want to be making fun of this. Or my cousin, you know, who looks like a good old thumb bow. Yeah. Anyway, thumbs are very useful. I don't want to be making fun of people because of a bad photo. I'm sure he's very handsome in real life.

I'm sure he is. As handsome as Justin Trudeau, in fact. Not as black-faced. Okay, so Succession is a TV show that we both started watching and then you stopped watching it. I fell asleep. Basically it's a show created by Jesse Armstrong, who's a British writer, author, something, something, something, something.

It's about a family-run global media company in the vein of, I guess, like Rupert Murdoch or the Packers. The Packers, less so because they've kind of went since Kerry Packer died, Packers less so because they've kind of went since Kerry Packer died, his family kind of have divvied it off to various people and whatever and whatnot. And James Packers married Mariah Carey or was going to marry Mariah Carey? I don't know. I think they broke up now or whatever.

Anyway, it's essentially it's about a dynasty kind of media empire run by Logan Roy who's Brian Cox who people would know as Striker from X-Men to X-Men United, directed by that same sex pest I mentioned earlier. It's also got Kieran Culkin, whose brother is a big fan of my show, Caravan of Garbage, or he mentioned it that one time. Oh, here he goes. I know you're really talking about this, but just on a side note,

my brain's gone to what's your favourite Mariah Carey song? That Christmas one. Oh, I don't want to let go of Christmas. Yeah, we all know it. It's the most famous Christmas song in the world, Claire. It's not my favourite Mariah Carey song. What's your favourite Mariah Carey song then? Dream lover, come rescue me.

Okay. What's your favourite Mariah Carey movie? Is it Glitter? Of course. Yeah, it's a good movie. She's the best. Sarah Snook, who's an Australian actor. Yes, she's brilliant.

She is in Beautiful Lies. Yes, one's brilliant. She is in Beautiful Lies. Yes, one of those. She's in Predestination with Ethan Hawke. It's about time travel. Jeremy Strong also. Anyway, it's a bunch of really great actors. They all are the children of this guy, Logan Roy, and they're kind of not as, they're not this kind of force of nature

and kind of old school media as he is. And very early on in the series he suffers a stroke and it's about them kind of taking over and then maybe usually coming back and then they're trying to wrestle power away from him and so on and so forth. So it's basically about people vying for power, like insanely rich people vying for power within their family. And one of them is like a political advisor who ends up working for a guy who's kind of like Bernie Sanders who wants to take down the Logan Roy empire. So, yeah, it's about infighting and power struggles and family and media and politics and all those kinds of things. And it's pretty intense.

It's very serious. And it's also very funny at times as well. And it's pretty intense. It's very serious. And it's also very funny at times as well. It's just, look, if you like TV shows, this is one. You have an option to watch it. It's on various platforms.

I believe it's on HBO, but here we rent it through Google, whatever the fuck. Google Play. Yeah. So, look, man, I don't know. It's about those things that I said. I'm finished. What's next?

All right. Did you like it or not? Yeah, I'm still watching it. I'm at those things that I said. I'm finished. What's next? All right. Did you like it or not? Yeah, I'm still watching it. I'm at the end of season one. How many thumbs? How many thumbs? Yeah. 1,002. All right, that's okay.

More thumbs than you like to come away with me and family coming together or people loving each other. It's called come from away. It's like the opposite of that thing that you said about people coming together. It's about people trying to kill each other. Cool. Is that why I fell asleep? It made me feel sad about the world.

No, it's because you can't stay awake past 8.30. Yeah, it's very late. It's true people trying to kill each other. Cool. Is that why I fell asleep? It made me feel sad about the work. No, it's because you can't stay awake past 8.30. Yeah, it's very late. It's true. And sleep is important. No. One thing you should recommend and I'm going to recommend for you is your glasses. Yes, my movement sunglasses. Seriously, they have changed your life.

You are sleeping so much more now. I am. I put on the blue light glasses at night when I'm working. You even wear them during the day now. If I'm using my computer all day. Yeah, and this is not, I mean, obviously they're a sponsor, but this is not because we're not being sponsored. We can put the weekly Planet Link below if people want to get a discount.

All right. But no, they're really good for maybe it's all in my head. I don't know, but they seem to work because if I put them on, then it gets like 10.30 and I get really tired and I have to go to bed. And normally, because I'm staring at a screen on multiple screens, I'm like wired all night. Yeah, and you don't sleep and feel terrible so anyway we're running out of time it's really good okay right so my recommendation is a book it's you were given to me by someone I love called James don't know him I know another guy and he's pretty

cute though doesn't dress in blackface like Justin Trudeau anyway it's called imagine if a photo came out of you you or mate. It would all be over. As far as I know, there are no photos. You know what photo we should share one day is that costume party of your mum's when she had a 60th birthday that was Christmas themed. We are never sharing this photo. And we dressed up.

We got like serious hardcore elf outfits and dressed up as elves. Yeah. And it was the best. That wasn't even that long ago. They were like fat suits and everything. Was they? Yeah, with bells and pointy toes. I made you dress, put like red makeup on your cheeks.

I already look like an elf. You do. That was why I did it. It was for my own amusement and I did not disappoint. Mate, I'm going to find those photos because they look some comedy gold right there. Anyway, that's not what my recommendation is. It's called the book How Powerful We Are by Sally Rugg. She's a Sydney-based LGBTIQ activist as well as a writer and everything.

She's very active on the Twitter sphere. Yes. It's the true story of the movement really spearheaded by Sally Rugg and obviously many other members of the queer community in Australia that saw marriage equality pass into legislation eventually. Yes. And it's the history of it because I think now that it's become law, it feels like it was inevitable.

But once you read this history of it and the amount of effort that went into campaigning. It wasn't nothing. It wasn't nothing. It came in in a government which would never have done it on their own. Correct, exactly. I'm actually talking about the rights of the gay. It's okay, podcast dog.

She even talks about, and I didn't really understand, and this is my ignorance, but in Australia we had to have a plebiscite in the end in order to get this to go through, which is really just a postal survey. It's a survey of the Australian people to see whether or not they would support marriage equality. It's a survey of the Australian people to see whether or not they would support marriage equality. And it was like I kind of didn't understand why there was

so much negativity from the LGBTQIQ community. You know why? Because it's none of anyone's fucking business if other people get married. That's why. Well, yeah, exactly. But also this book really helped. And it was an absolute cop-out.

It was totally. But I think the biggest part, and I really understood this in reading Sally's book, was that it opened up the debate, people's very personal lives and the way that they live. And it caused so much hurt and anger and angst because of all this sort of vitriol that came up about homosexuality and being queer, which wasn't kind of discussed in the public domain until this kind of postal survey came into effect. And that was why they campaigned so strongly for it not to go to a postal survey, even though they knew that at least 60%

of the Australian population supported marriage equality. I was shocked that it got through, for one, because I thought anybody who's like younger than 55 is not going to post anything. Oh, you mean as in you were shocked that the postal survey came in with such a resounding vote? Yeah. Well, I think it's because partly to do with-

Because of this. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, because of Sally Rugg and her team's campaigning. She actually works, well, she was executive director of change.org and also she worked for GetUp as their creative and campaign director. And GetUp are a really clever political organisation that really work behind the scenes to lobby government and to do a lot of research, to do kind of really cool political stunts around

this kind of issue, particularly to do with quite progressive issues like marriage equality. I really recommend it even if you're not an australian it's such a great example of how we can change things yeah how how we can actually use our democracy for good yes and that's i think the point of her book it's it's obviously to document the the real and incredible struggles that the community went through in order to get this legislation passed. That's a big part of the book. But the other part of it is just how powerful we are.

If we choose to use the power that we have, we can really affect change. The odds were really against them because of the vote, because of the government that was in. It's amazing to me. I mean, inevitable, yes, but it didn't just happen. No, it became off the back of years, decades of people fighting. I mean, when you look at the history of people who identify

as queer in our country, 50 years ago people were being bashed on the streets by cops, right? Yep. It was illegal in Tasmania to have sex with someone of the same gender up until the 1990s, maybe 1997. So that's really recent history. And so this book just made me cry. It made me appreciate people like Sally Rugg and activists in general.

You should try and interview her for your major thing. So just make the thing I should actually. Yeah, she just seems like such an incredible person and she just has a lot of insight. She's very funny too on Twitter. Yeah, she's very clever. I think she talks also about her personal struggles with coming out, which is really interesting too.

And I just, I really hope that in the future those struggles become less and less for people who identify as queer or bisexual or however you identify. That it's something that I know for my kids or my child that I would want them to just be able to be who they are. And I think that's starting to happen. I agree. They just are comfortable in their own thing.

I'm hoping. And look, who knows? But that was kind of like the pushback was like the last gasp of like, it's done. I hope so. Yeah. I really, really do. But it's one of those the pushback was like the last gasp of like, it's done. I hope so. Yeah. I really, really do. But it's one of those things you can't really sleep on either.

No, no. And I know we're running out of time. One thing she did say, and I'll just finish on this, she initially thought marriage equality was a sham. She was like, well, why would we want this whole marriage debacle anyway? It seems pretty terrible. One in three marriages fall apart, bloody hell. And then she went to a gay wedding and she realised what it symbolised

was an acceptance. Yes. Of love. Because we went to one earlier this year, two friends of ours. Oh, Adam and Dom. And they're from the country. And they're kind of from families where you'd think it would be kind of, you know, it might be difficult or whatever.

Yeah, and both Catholic upbringings too. Yeah, but the way that the families came together, like pretty much from the get-go as well, like they'd been out for a long time. It was a really beautiful day and it was good that everybody was just so happy for them. And it was just a wedding, you know what I mean? And that's the other thing. Which I guess was the best part of it.

Yeah, you were there just thinking, gosh, isn't it incredible that two people who are so well-suited have found each other. And they've just got incredible families and friends, us included. So, look. Very important. No, but it just made me realise that we just have to celebrate love. And what a cheese spread. It was incredible.

I put it on my social media. You can go see some pictures. It was amazing. So, yes, just go love your friends and it's awesome. All right, that's it. That's it. Look, if you want to reach the show, you can at SuggestiblePod on Twitter. You can shoot through a suggestible.

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lots of celebrity appearances if that's your thing. Just go watch it or don't. It's a suggestion, not a command after all which is very true testicles of the soul well put thanks mate um oh also we now have a suggestible pod facebook yeah thank you very much i'll never look at it yeah i know you never will um you can also find us on instagram you can find me at claire tonte on instagram which is where i like to be sometimes on twitter at mr sunday moviesSundayMovies on Twitter and all platforms and everywhere. And also thank you to everybody who donated to Planet Broadcasting

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