Suggestible - Turning Red, Severance and TONTS

Episode Date: March 17, 2022

Suggestible things to watch, read and listen to. Hosted by James Clement @mrsundaymovies and Claire Tonti @clairetonti.Please follow and subscribe to the TONTS Podcast @tontspod ready for the new season on March 21st! Episodes releasing early with heaps of other bonuses on bigsandwich.coThis week’s Suggestibles:00:52 Claire Insta with Puppy Pics03:25 Turning Red16:46 Will Smith Turns Into a Pigeon17:10 Eliza Hull’s Website21:41 Severance30:00 Tonts Podcast and Tatterhood36:40 A Musical Story and D.P41:47 Anjali Sharma Interview43:09 The LogoSend your recommendations to [e-mail], we’d love to hear them.You can also follow the show on Instagram, Twitter, Facebook @suggestiblepod and join our ‘Planet Broadcasting Great Mates OFFICIAL’ Facebook Group. So many things. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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We are married. And James is, as usual, drinking himself a little drink. I'm having a big drink. He's having a big drink. And if you, too, would like to have a drink, go for it. That's true. It's not an alcohol drink. I'm not a deviant, Claire.

Not always, James. Not always, Claire. Not always, Claire. No, he's having a low-cal Coca-Cola. I feel like you may end up with some kind of cancer or something drinking all that low-cal Stevia. I'd just rather look good and feel good for now. For a shorter time. Excellent. Down the shorter time. Excellent.

Down the line. That is so good. Do you want to go first in terms of recommendations this week, Claire? Do you have any big recommendations? Right. First thing I would recommend is being married to you, mate. What? Yeah.

Oh, my God. What a surprise. I'm only saying that because I've been away for three days. And you're like, actually, now that I think about it, maybe he's all right. Maybe that guy's all right, yeah. No, because I don't know if anyone follows me on Instagram, but Ashclare Toti, but I went to Sydney for the first time on a plane in two years since all of this pandemic began.

Oh, yes. And I didn't think I would get there and I did and I saw my wonderful friend Jamila interview two of the most incredible activists in Australia, Grace Tame and Rosie Batty. She got a standing ovation and it was just breathtaking and I met so many incredible, inspiring women and it was just the most amazing weekend. I got my hair blow-dried.

I wore outfits. I went and watched incredible artists perform and beat poetry and just all this amazing stuff and had all these amazing feminist conversations. Anyway, the reason I bring it up is because when I got home, you bloody schmicked up the whole house, mate. I didn't schmick it up. It was just like I just slightly tidied some stuff

and I didn't kill our kids. So you're like, oh, my God, the bar is set so low. No, but I'm not here going like, well, I didn't kill them so everything's fine. I'm saying you smashed it out of the park. Wow. You even opened up all the windows. You had the slow cooker.

You did parenting much better than me. You had the slow cooker on. You'd made them wholesome, healthy meals. You'd like aired the whole house out. They were happy and rested and had a wondrous time. That's true. And I changed the sheets, not to brag. Yes.

But listen. And I never do. I wouldn't do that for you. I know. My point was to be better than you. It was like a sprint. It was like if I just hammer out all this stuff and then I can. Yeah.

I was just. I don't even know. It was just really impressive and lovely and it made me think that we're a team. But no one likes to come home to like a mess. Do you know what I mean? That is so true. Yeah. At least for me. That's part of it. And there I mean? That is so true, least of all me.

And there was no smelly house because you'd air it all out. Even though we've got 14 dogs and eight kids. It was such a bad decision. The dogs are such a bad decision. Anyway, so that's my recommendation. I love that weird little dog though. You do love the weird little dog. She's driving me up the bloody wall.

All I want to do is work. Every time I sit down, I like to eat a crumpet on the couch and she just jumps all over me. We have a little Beagle-y. You can see a photo on our Instagram and goddamn, I have regret. I have major regret. She'll be fine. She's calming down. She'll be all right. Right. Can I recommend a movie that I watched? I would love you to go and recommend something. That's the point of the show.

That's true. This went straight to Disney+. It's Pixar's latest. It's called Turning Red. It's directed by Domi Shi. And it's interesting because this film, well, first of all, it shouldn't have gone to Disney+. And it's not even like you go there and you pay extra money for it.

It's just there. It's part of the monthly fee. They did this to the last two Pixar films. They did this to Luca as well, which I also really enjoyed. So the film is based on director Domi Shih's own upbringing in Toronto and her relationship with her overprotective mother. So it's set in the year of 2002, where boy bands are at an all-time high. Do you know what I mean? Tamagotchis, were they a thing? I don't know. What else was happening in 2002? I was there, but it was 20 years ago. I had terribly thin eyebrows. That's what was happening. That was a big deal. I was on a Reddit page today. I was like,

what's something that aged terribly? And there were so many people that were just like, thin eyebrows, boo. But you've grown your eyebrows out again, haven't you? I have. The irony though is they went very wide and there's a vibe shift now, James. Have you heard about it and there's a vibe shift now, James. Have you heard about it? What's the vibe shift? Euphoria, basically. Oh, okay.

And the thin eyebrows are making a comeback. Are they? Yes. No. Yes, and flash photography is also making a comeback. I don't care about that. Why is that? Well, it's just an aesthetic.

It's moving away from the big eyebrows and hipster origins that we know so well. I think just don't mess around with your eyebrows too much, you know what I mean? Keep like, you know, shape them up. Don't get me wrong. Shape them up. I have a friend, you know, Paul. He was on my Instagram.

He's um. Old unibrow Paul. He sported that unibrow for 28 years. He just said that he's, but he finally, I think he got married and his wife was like, you need to stop. You look like Bert from Sesame Street. He just said that he's, but he finally, I think he got married and his wife was like, you need to stop. You look like Bert from Sesame Street. Anyways, forget eyebrows because, so basically, May Lee, who's the lead in this, is a 13-year-old girl who was torn

between being her mother's obedient daughter and the chaos of her youth. As if that were not enough, when she gets too excited, she turns into a big red panda. It's very strange. There's not really, like there is an explanation for it because it's like a family kind of blessing or curse, whatever way you want to look at it.

And it's about kind of controlling that to a point where you can then lock the panda away because there's other people, like the women, the families, it's this thing that they inherited. And it started as this thing to protect like the women, the families, it's this thing that they inherited and it started as this thing to protect like the village but then in 2002 it's not very useful to turn into like a nine-foot-tall giant panda. You know what I mean? I know.

What do you mean? So it's really fun and it's really like anime. As you know, I'm a big fan of anime and I've seen every anime. Name an anime and I'll tell you whether I've seen it. Salamoon. Yeah. An anime. Yep.

I've seen that. I saw that one. That's all the anime. That's all I got. That's a running joke in the weekly plan where I pretend to know everything about anime, but I don't know a goddamn thing. But it's about, it's like the panda is a metaphor, right? Because the whole thing is about change and puberty and more specifically, it's about

getting your period, you know? Whoa. Turning red. Do you know what I mean? Yes. Big red panda. Change, shift in mood, 13 years old. You know what I mean? All of these things, changing relationships like with your parents because you basically got all these hormones just firing through your body at a million miles an hour. So some people are not liking this because they're like, I can't relate to this because that's about a girl in the early 2000s and she's 13 and like the main crux of the – one of the main points

of the movie is they want to raise enough money to go to this boy band concert, like a Backstreet Boys or an NSYNC. And apparently I think Billie Eilish wrote the songs as well and they're very like early 2000s, like late 90s kind of vibe. And they're called Forever or I can't remember, but there's five of them. I can't remember what the band's called. It's called Four Something, but there's five members of the band

and that comes up at least once, I think. And I enjoy that joke. But like I thought it was, for one, it's like a different perspective, but it's also I guess it's from an era that I, you know, am familiar with and grew up with. But, you know, I'm not a girl or wasn't a girl growing up in Toronto in the early 2000s when 13 years old or whatever. But I think it's not just that about it.

You know, it's like pushing away from parents while they're trying to kind of pull you back. It's about being a teenager and like working through all these problems. It's about like friendships, you know what I mean? Like she's got this core group of friends and, like, they're all, like, amazing and they all, like, really like each other and, like, they've got each other's back and, like, all they want to do is go to this concert, you know what I mean?

So it's pretty, like, it's sort of high stakes because she turns into a panda, but really, but it's not really, do you know what I mean? It's not, like, I don't know, the moon is going to crash into the earth, for example, the movie Moonfall, which I saw this year. But I think that's good because, like, you know, it feels, I don't know, there's something about it that I think is very kind of relatable and accessible, you know, and I watched it with our son who's six and he loved it as well.

And, like, sure, a lot of it was that, you know, people are turning into big red pandas. But, you know, I don't think that's just the only thing that he liked about it. Did you talk to him about periods? Yeah, we did actually, yeah. Oh, wow. He's got an idea about that, yeah. What did you say?

We have talked. I'm like, you know, it's like I said, like it's a metaphor. Explain what a metaphor is. And, you know, you've talked about it with him before as well, so it's not like it's not completely foreign to him. As we've talked about it, it's like a series of little conversations, not like a big conversation, you know. That you do once. You do one and done, unfortunately. No, but I don't mind. Honestly, it doesn't bother me. And

I think if you do it like regularly, it's not a big deal. You know what I mean? And I'm sure we'll get more awkward, but at this point, he's like not really fussed by it. You know, I'm sure he'd be like, ugh, stop when we're older. like not really fussed by it, you know. I'm sure he'd be like, ugh, stop, when we're older. But do you say there's a window, right, where you can talk into this where it's not weird yet for kids? Yeah, absolutely. And if you get in that window and it becomes normalised,

then yeah, I'm sure it'll get awkward later on, but also you've opened that dialogue for them to keep talking about it so that when something shocking does happen, you've got a reference point for it. Exactly. We recently had a sad event happen, not directly to us but to within the community. And because we had already opened the discussion about death beforehand,

when we came to talk about it with our son, we had a reference point. And I'm not saying that that's the only conversation and then it went, you know, it's always going to be going really well having those discussions and not that you always get it right. But the fact that we'd already had that kind of conversation meant that he had a reference point, we had a reference point, and you weren't dealing with the shock of one thing. Just like what?

Like you're not going back to the very beginning. Yeah, yeah, exactly. And that's not to say like we're not perfect. We often don't get it right. And it doesn't, like if you're not doing these things, you can start. There's no cutoff point. There's no age where you can like not have these conversations. No, no, exactly right. Anyway, I just think I'd been told that by psychologists and it's one thing to be told that but then not really know if you're doing the right thing and another thing to hear that you had that discussion with him about this movie. I can't wait to hear about all the things that we got wrong.

I know, exactly. Anyway, I'll let you get back to the red pads. So there's also been some concerns around certain groups that are like, well, this is like teaching young girls or showing them like depicting them like having crushes and, you know, and puberty and periods and being like, and like rebelling against your parents in like very minor ways to get tickets to a concert or whatever. So they actually talk about periods explicitly in the movie?

Yeah. Well, actually, yes. There is like a scene where she first turns into a panda and her mum brings in like pads and a hot water bottle and all of these things, which really surprised me. But all of that I thought was great. And the thing is, well, when like as I saw a really good take on this, and I wish I had it in front of me, where it was these things

that you want to wait to teach girls or kids when they're 18, they happen when they're children. So what do you, like, these aren't things that happened exclusively to adults. Like if you don't know any of this stuff going into it, it's frightening. You could think you were dying, you know what I mean? Yes. And so I think that it's not strange to include these things. It's not, like, offensive. It's things that happen to people, to children, and that's fine.

And I think that's another layer to this movie that I quite like. Anyways, I loved it. I thought it was really good and really funny and really, like, heartfelt. And I love, like, the friendship dynamics and I like the lead girl in it and her mother and grandmother as well who shows up. It was just really cool and different, like really different than a lot of like animated movies or Pixar movies that I'd seen before, not just like aesthetically, though it does like borrow from a lot

of other stuff as I mentioned. But, yeah, just seeing this kind of story I really enjoyed. Yeah, because like I look at, you know, that movie Onward which to be fair I haven't seen. It's a world of elves and dragons and whatever, which I'm sure is fine. Like I haven't actually seen it. I've seen like 20 minutes of it and I was like, yeah,

this seems like a fine action adventure and the brothers don't get along and then they have an argument but whatever. Like I don't really have an interest in that and maybe I will. Maybe I'll see it and I'll be like blown away by it. But I don't know. There was something really compelling about this. Even the idea of just like it's 2002 and it's Toronto. It's like that's like so specific.

But that's because it's the director's experience, you know, some of her experience, you know, with her mother and growing up and all those things. And I think as well some of the best content is always when it can be Fantastical Dragons but it's grounded in a note of familiarity and in a note of relatability to an experience that people go through. I mean it might be Red Pandas, right?

Yeah. But it's universal which is why Frozen is in like this sparkly world of like magic frozen ice. But there are so many elements in Frozen that you can bring into your own life. And so, you know, that song, Let It Go, is in a magical ice castle, but really it's about all girls wanting that feeling of letting go and being free and being able to be heard.

Yeah. And it just makes me so happy to hear you have that conversation because you're absolutely right. For so long periods have been this really kind of frightening idea when I was growing up. Anyway, I know the first thing I got told about periods was that you scream a lot. What?

Yeah, I remember there was a little girl in my grade whose oldest sister got her period and she told everyone that her sister screamed. And so every time you get your period, you just like bleed and scream. Oh, my God. And so as a, you know, six-year-old. I mean, she's not bloody wrong. Yeah, but that's what happens though when you shroud things in mystery, right?

Yeah, because then you're like, what am I walking into? And then you kind of wrap in it. They're all really hidden and put away in the closet and it's like so shameful to see any blood and see that part of womanhood that is absolutely, you're right, happening to kids. And it's nothing shameful. It's just a part of life, right? You know, and I think the more that we can see movies like that,

the more it normalises it for girls who are going to experience it but also for boys as well and for people on all ends of the gender spectrum, right, to know that it's something that happens to humans and that people that bleed every month, it's nothing to be embarrassed about. It's something to be celebrated because it's part of our power. And then the more knowledge that we have around periods, the more we can tap into our health as well.

There's so much information that can be gained from understanding your period. Particularly like one of my friends, Jamila, on the weekend, she's spoken about this before, that one of the signs for her that she was going to be diagnosed with a brain tumor was that her cycle was disrupted. And for so many women, that's the case. But because often they take the pill or they don't understand their bodies and then no one's told them, it's not their fault, no one's told them about it. Which is also fine, like, you know, because people take it

for a variety of reasons. The pill, that is. Do you know what I mean? Oh, yeah. I'm not saying you shouldn't take the pill. That's not what I'm saying. I just mean that there's not a lot of education around it always and that that can mask symptoms too.

Or you can have really heavy periods and not understand what's going on and find it really difficult for that to be diagnosed. And women end up suffering with endometriosis and it's such a common disease and it goes so underdiagnosed and it's so important that, you know, everyone understands the way that cycles work so that we all function better. Right? So anyway, that made me really happy. So thank you for sharing that.

I can't wait to watch that. I feel like I threw, yeah, I wanted, I actually was hoping that we wouldn't have time, that like it was, you could have watched it before, but it's not, wouldn't have worked like before. So we could have talked about it. But yeah, if you want to watch it and, because he'd definitely watch it again. I definitely want to watch it with him because I'd love to see his perspective on that too. Also, I shouldn't have thrown the movie Onward under the bus. It's also about loss and grief and parenthood and family.

I feel like I just threw that movie unnecessarily under the bus, which by all accounts is a pretty solid movie. You haven't seen it. I haven't seen it. I've seen like 20 minutes, but I was like, it's fine. I didn't really like it, so I haven't watched it. You were just not really into the title. I just want my favourite animated movie of all time is the one

where Will Smith is a spy and then Tom Holland turns him into a pigeon. Have you seen the trailer for that? Yeah, I don't understand that movie. I don't get it. I haven't seen it. All right. Okay. It's a metaphor for puberty.

You turn into a pigeon. I don't know. So go on. All right. I'm a pigeon. No, no, they make more like a warbly sound. All right. Okay.

So on to what I want to recommend. Unsurprisingly, a couple of the artists that I saw over the weekend. Oh, here we go. I'm going to talk about them individually in different episodes because they all deserve their own podcast. But I did want to talk about one in particular who actually has her own podcast. Her name is Eliza Hull. Now, Eliza Hull is a musician.

She's a writer, a journalist and a disability advocate and she's a contributor to Growing Up Disabled in Australia. Her podcast series on parenting with a disability, We've Got This, was one of Radio National and ABC Live's most successful series of all time. It's just glorious and really goes to the heart of what it means to be a parent and also be coping with a disability. Her music as well has been described. She's got a YouTube channel.

Yeah, she's absolutely incredible. Her music has been described as stirring, captivating, heartfelt. I think it reminds me very much of Kate Bush. Okay, cool. She performed one of her new songs that's going to be coming out this year and it was just stunning. She was there performing with a guy playing electric guitar and she just sort of just whipped everyone into this kind of spell.

It was just so beautiful. Her songs have also been featured on ABC Kids TV shows and then something changed. On the ABC there's a show called The Heights as well and also she's going to America. I know The Heights is a good show. Yeah, it is a good show, yeah. American TV shows Awkward, Teen Wolf and Saving Hope.

She's in those shows. No, her music's been played in those shows. Oh, really? Cool. Yeah. So she's regularly played on the radio as well here and she recently performed her new song Running Underwater on ABC's Q&A.

She's performing at SXSW in Austin, Texas in March. Oh, yes. To showcase and present a panel on accessibility. So Eliza is a proud disabled woman with a physical condition called Charcot-Marie-Tooth. Recently, Eliza was awarded the Music Victoria Amplify Award, the APRA Mentorship for Women in Music, and the National Leadership Award from the Australia Council and Arts Access Australia.

Really in short, she's just an incredible, incredible human being with an incredibly beautiful voice. She's on Spotify. So if you want to go and check out one of her songs, I would really recommend Running Underwater, Here They Come, and also a beautiful song called Echoes. And I just fell in love with her sound and also her advocacy and I think she's just a really impressive human.

And she's just changing the way I think that people view disabilities, right? Yeah, absolutely. And I think the more artists that we can have in our lives, artists, writers. Just doing incredible things. Yeah, exactly. The better, right? We just need more representation from people with disabilities

in all sectors, I think. You were saying before the show that you wish there was less representation. So this is weird because you're saying this isn't to the contrary of what you were. Can you be serious for once? You're raising me. God damn second. I don't know.

I just know about this change in tone is all I'm saying. Oh, right. Anyway, so that's Eliza. Bloody hell. And that's Eliza. Bloody hell. And she's really wonderful. Did you get to meet her? I did see her at breakfast and at the drinks and I was too scared to go.

Oh, actually, no, I did briefly. I just said she was wonderful. Nice. I walked past her and just went, you're really great. I love you. It was so good. And then I just kind of like love bombed her. And she didn't hear you?

No, she heard me. She said, thank you. And I'm sure she was thinking, God, who's this mad woman who's just scurried past her? Anyway, I follow her on Instagram now and she did reply to my message when I shared about her. So that was cool. So basically we're besties now. No, that's not what that is.

You're basically, this is, what's this called? There's a word for it. Van Dilling? Parasocial relationship is the word for it. Oh, no. I'll parasocial relationship her. She's awesome. I don't know? Parasocial relationship is the word for it. Oh, no. I'll parasocial relationship her. She's awesome. I don't know what that means.

Yeah, that's the point. You shouldn't. I don't understand. Are you calling me a parasite? Well, that's essentially what it is. I have feelings for her. I'm like a little bird picking off stuff from one of the elephants. Have you seen that?

I don't remember the video. Yeah, no, it's not that. It's more, it's like when somebody, you know, as like it happens to somebody like famous or whatever and they form this relationship

which is obviously one-sided. Oh, it's kind of like our one-sided. No, no, this is the difference between liking someone and respecting their work.

That's not what this is. I'm just explaining what it is. Okay, thank you very much. Anyway, your turn. Because otherwise you can't like anything. You know what I mean? If you'm just explaining what it is. All right. Okay. Thank you very much. Anyway, your turn. Because otherwise you can't like anything.

You know what I mean? If you're just like, oh, is this parasocial? I don't know if I like. If I watch. All right. Stop banging about it. It's making me feel depressed. It's making me parasocial. Go on with your second recommendation.

We're running out of time. Too many chocolatey. This show is called Severance. It's created by Dan Erickson, directed by Ben Stiller and Aoife McArdle, right? It stars Adam Scott, Zach Cherry, Britt Lauer, John Turturro, Patricia Arquette. Here's the synopsis.

Here he goes. Allow me to lay it down for you. James, it's pronounced synopsis. This is great. Mark leads a team of office workers whose memories have been surgically divided between their work and their personal lives. When a mysterious colleague appears outside of work, it begins a journey to discover the truth about their jobs.

So basically, you know Adam Scott, he's from Parks and Rec and various other things. He's in one of the Star Trek movies. Which one? Who's to say? But, and only briefly. I'm in space, that one. Yes, that one.

You've seen it. There's a lot of different creatures. That one. That's the one. You've seen it. There's a lot of different creatures. That one. That's the one. They're all on a ship. All of them? They wouldn't all be on the ship. They're always in that big room with all the buttons.

And someone's always like, we're going to the Star-Lord Enterprise. And someone else goes, oh, no, we're being attacked by a giant alien blob. So what can we do? Beam him up, Scotto. What's happening? It's a good question. I just said Star Trek. It's not completely incorrect.

What have you seen? Because, like, you've got a lot of stuff right there, all, like, vaguely in, like, the vicinity of correct. Like, you said some. I have a weird haircut. It's black with a little bob. It looks a little bit like the haircut that's a pencil from Fleabag. You're talking about Spock.

That's who I am. I know because you have seen the 2009 reboot. I'm wearing a suit without a collar. That's true. You've seen some of the 2009. You saw the new Discovery. I don't know. They all blend into one.

I like the Star Trek movies. Which ones? I don't know. I saw one of them with the guy with the blue eyes who's kind of good looking. Chris Pine? Yes. Yeah. I like that 2009 reboot. A lot of people don't like it. I like that one of them with the guy with the blue eyes who's kind of good looking. Chris Pine? Yes. Yeah, I like that 2009 reboot. A lot of people don't like it.

I like it too. But then to be fair, I hadn't really seen much else. I've seen some footage of other ones. Some people don't believe the 2009 reboot is real Star Trek. All right, nobody cares. Moving on. So anyway, basically how this office works, so Adam Scott, right, when he's regular life outside of work, that's all he remembers.

So then when he gets on an elevator, goes underground into the office he works in, his personality switches, he's like he's a different person. He has no memory of being outside of work if he's inside of work and his outside version of him has no memory of being inside. It's to protect company secrets. So basically, as you go into work, all you remember is going down in the elevator, you don't even black out, it feels like no time has passed and then you are out of the elevator like leaving at 5 o'clock.

But that means inside the office where there are no windows, you never leave. So you feel like, so you leave at the end of the day and then you kind of, like there's a split second of time and then it's the next morning and you're back at work. Does that make sense? So you're never not there. Does that make, does this make any sense to you at all?

It feels like our life at the moment. Yes, exactly. It's like it's a metaphor for capitalism or whatever. I don't know. This is everything you talk about all of the time. Yes. Anyway, so they're in this like very stark office environment. Again, no windows.

The perks are like ludicrous. It's like, oh, it's new post-it notes. Oh, look, you get a cake because it's the end of the week or whatever. You know what I mean? All that shit. All that shit I fucking hate about work. That forced camaraderie. What's wrong with the cake?

That's fine. I would say that it's not forced camaraderie. What's wrong with the cake? That's fine. I would say that it's not forced camaraderie. I mean, some of it is. But a lot of it, because you're in the trenches together, you actually form friendships. Yeah, sometimes it is. It depends on the workplace or whatever. Most of the schools that I've been in have been really great

with that kind of stuff. But do you know what I mean? I don't know. It's like there's something about that kind of environment with the fluorescent lighting. Oh, it's awful. I can't watch it.'s like there's something about like that kind of environment with like the fluorescent lighting. Oh, it's awful. I can't watch it. Singing happy birthday and whatever.

No, I tried to watch it and it made my soul die. Yeah. Anyway, so he's trying to figure out what's going on because he meets a person who he worked with on the inside but on the outside whose memories have merged. So they've merged their personalities back together. So he remembers everything, right? And it's not really kind of clear at this point because there's still

only six episodes in, like what has happened? How is this happening? And so but he doesn't remember him on the outside. So anybody you have a relationship on the inside of work, you don't know outside and vice versa. Does that make sense? So it's severed, if you will. It's completely severed.

Yes, we've all understood that. You've said that a lot. I know, but I just feel like I need to drive the point home. You've really said it. You've said it a lot. So it's like a never-ending nightmare. Everyone gets it. Hurry up and get on with the whole thing.

And it's confusing because you're trying to piece things together. Because it's severed. Because it's severed. Because nobody knows the world of that world. But you can't really communicate with the other version of you. And also the other version of you could be completely different, could have a completely different set of personality, could have no regard for you as a human being,

which I guess they wouldn't because they don't care that you go to work every day and you're trapped in the office. Do they not know you go to work? They know that you do because you sign the contract before you go in, but then you wake up in the office and then you're there for what is essentially the rest of your life. So you're basically born into this world as an adult. And then do you keep going home though?

Yeah, you go home, but you don't remember going home. Oh, so you're just always there. You said you got it. You didn't get it at all. Anyway, it's really cool. Cool. It sounds good. One observation can I make?

Sure. Just from me walking past it on the screen as I was walking to the kitchen. Kitchen. The woman is very good looking, everyone else not so. It's true. And all the rest are basically men. Adam Scott is not good looking? No.

I mean, you know, he's okay looking. I'm just saying that the woman is very good looking, I think, from memory. Okay. And everyone else is like fairly average, which is what happens all the time in shows often. I should also point out that she's also very good in the show. Yes, I know. I'm not saying she's not good.

Patricia Arquette is in it. What do you think of Patricia Arquette? Which one is she? She was in Medium or one of those shows where they used mind powers to solve cases. Yeah, but the main characters though, right? No, she is a main character. Patricia Arquette is.

Is there more than one woman main character? Yeah, Patricia. Well, in The Office there's four of them that lead and there's one woman, yes. Yes, correct. That's what I'm talking about. And if you look at it, it's a real pattern in TV shows where like even if all the men

are terribly old. Oh yes, I love her. She's great. If in, when all the women, like if there's a group, usually there's a woman. I know groups. Everyone else can be of all different shapes and sizes. That's true. And the woman tends to look very attractive regardless. So do you think everybody should be a big Argo is what you're saying? And I'm with you. No, and I actually think everyone can be attractive in all different shapes and sizes. All I'm saying is it takes a lot of work for a woman to look like that and a lot of the dudes just don't have to put so much work in. I mean, Adam Scott is 50 and he's looking incredible.

Maybe it's just genes, but I think. All right, okay, good on you, Adam Scott. All I'm saying is it's a trope. It's a thing. Yeah, no, I agree. It is. And it annoys me, but I think. All right. Okay. Good on you, Adam Scott. All I'm saying is it's a trope. It's a thing. Yeah, no, I agree. It is. And it annoys me a lot. Yeah.

Because I think it's typecasting. Actually, I know it's typecasting, which means there's a hell of a lot of really interesting, talented women who are not necessarily getting roles. Yeah, and that's, yep. Because they don't fit a particular typecast. Anyhoo, rant done. Anything else to say? You were going to watch Severance, I should just point out, but then there was like an episode ahead and you were like,

ah, forget it, meh. Well, I've been a little bit like meh with television recently. I'm in a TV slump except for Marvelous Mrs. Maisel. That's true. Actually, even that has not got me super hooked. I'm not really in a TV thing at the moment. I'm more in like a book podcast-y music thing. Wow, I don't even read

books, Claire. I only watch television exclusively. Yeah, it shows. I'm the opposite of one of those people who loves books and I'm like, you haven't even watched Byron Bays on Netflix? The reality television show set in Byron Bay. I know, which is flooding and all the things, but I bet

it doesn't look like that in the TV show. No, it just looks like a bunch of weird people who heal themselves with crystals and running around being assholes. Living with Zac Efron's around there somewhere too. He's around there, isn't he? Okay. Introducing Uber Teen Accounts,

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Ever? My last thing is very self-serving. Tons is coming out. Oh, my God. I thought this was going to be good news. Just kidding. This is great news, Claire. Thanks, mate. Let me thought this was going to be good news. Just kidding. This is great news, Claire. Thanks, mate.

Let me do my thing. Sorry. I put down over there. I'm just so excited. Thank you, mate. Are you really? I can never tell with you. Sometimes when you get really excited, I think you're being sarcastic

and I get, this is my excited voice. Oh, that was really an interesting one. He's eating his microphone. He's so excited. Yeah, so the second season of Tons is dropping on the 21st of March, which is the next Monday. Oh, my goodness. I'm dropping a trailer this week as well,

and the wonderful Maisie has been building the TonsPod Instagram handle. So if you want to know all the news about TonsPodcast, you need to go over to TonsPod, so at TonsPod, T-O-N-T-S. Do I follow TonsPod? Let's find out. Let's find out. Probably not. And, yeah, so that traileronsPod, T-O-N-T-S. Do I follow TonsPod? Let's find out. Let's find out. Probably not. And, yeah, so that trailer's coming out.

Yes, I do. It'll be over there and TonsPod will have some little videos and just like things that are coming out and also little quizzes and stuff. At the time of recording, you've got one post. What are you doing here? Come on. Yeah, I know. Exactly.

Maisie's building it up. It's starting this week. Oh, I thought you meant it was like, so this is Maisie's fault. Let me just quickly text her. Oh, you're so annoying. No, we're just starting this week. That's awesome. And Suggestible Pod actually on Instagram has also been ramping up

if people haven't noticed. And she's doing lots of quizzes and stuff on there, which is really great. And I'll be doing a lot of that also on my social media too, Claire Tonti on Instagram. I love Claire Tonti. Cool. So the first episode is with the wonderful Joanna Bennett,

otherwise known as Tatterhood, and I've spoken about her one of, oh, it's her second book, Tiny Lungs, on the podcast before, and she was just as warm and funny and heartfelt and this conversation was very messy and teary and we talked about miscarriage and parenting in a pandemic and she had a daughter at a very similar time to me during the pandemic. So we talked about what it was like in Britain having a baby over there and then what it was like having a baby over here during that time

and just grief as well and just a mix of things and it's just glorious. We talked about her first book but also about These Are My Delicious Sandwiches, which is her second one. And I shared a poem on my Instagram but I thought I would share this with you now. Let's do it. It's some poetry, James. Strap on in, mate. Oh, judge this poetry.

So this is called Glass Ceilings and she wrote it about her daughter and I love it so much because it's so much about our daughter too and a lot of daughters, I think. But metaphorically, right? Correct. It's not literally about our daughter. I hope not. Okay.

Glass Ceilings. My daughter wants to eat wires and scale the chairs to precipitous heights. My daughter likes to chew the spikes of wood on the table edge and reach for the fence with the sharpest point. I mean, as a parent, Halt, for who goes there? My daughter wants to eat wires and, frankly, who am I to say no? I mean, as a parent, if your kid's going to eat a live wire, you should say no. But absolutely, I see what, yeah, absolutely. That's awesome.

Yeah, thank you, man. Because our daughter's very kind of like go out there and adventurous. Adventurous and busy. She's just so busy. Grabbing stuff and eating stuff and like running around and like, you know, doing. She tried to jump into the creek today when we went to the park. Getting up to all sorts of stuff. She is.

But I love that. Like that's one of the things I love about her. Like, you know what I mean? I only kind of tell her to stop if I'm like, no, you're going to hurt. You're going to fall like 40 feet. Don't do that. Yeah. And she just like, we went to a dance class for the first time today and she was just,

she, everyone else was kind of clinging to their mums and she was just doing laps and running after the dance teacher and like grabbing everything in the classroom and not in a naughty way, just in a joyful way and just like smiling at everybody and grinning and then just pretending to be a turtle. It was great. She's a legend. Anyway, so Joanna Bennett, I cannot wait to share this

first episode with you. There's going to be lots of big feeling, big conversations, lots of emotion, but lots of talk, I think, about womanhood, about climate change. I talk with activists as well. I'm going to be talking with Sarah Wilson, who's a climate activist, as well. Yeah, right. I'm going to be talking with Sarah Wilson who's a climate activist as well as the Instagram account Soulful Seeds and Zara from there is amazing at what she does. She's on TikTok as well and she does a lot of climate news and research while also dancing and she's just this incredible human. So lots of exciting conversations to come in this season.

You've also got some other ones lined up because you've got other guests coming up as well, which you've recorded some but it's not complete as of yet. No, correct. Exactly. So if you'd like to listen, you can go over and subscribe on Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. We're going to be dropping a trailer into this feed and also the Weekly Planet feed as well next week. Yes, Yep. Exactly. And it's also available on Big Sandwich too, if you want to have a little listen and you're a Big Sandwich subscriber and you can get it at

free. I am a Big Sandwich subscriber. Well, there you go. Is that up there now or is that, that won't be up yet? No, it will, it will be up. I'm going to drop it maybe a day early on Big Sandwich and then it will go live on Monday. That's like what we do with Weekly Planet, yeah. Yeah, yeah. So it's going to be over there. And as always, the wonderful Rob Collins, he's editing. How does he do it?

How does he do all the things that he does? I don't know. It's very bamboozling. I agree. And he edited this podcast. Claire, did you know like that's the thing about podcasts? They don't just review themselves. In fact, there's a process that anybody listening to this could actually take part in. I see. For example, you open the app of choice

that you're listening to this in, except if it's a big sandwich, you can't do it there. But maybe you could just open it regardless, if you really, really wanted to. Just like Ashman01 who says, love the podcast, five stars, but I like you better as a friend. I just want to say, I respect your boundaries because that is your prerogative. You don't have to date anybody. You know how people think that I'm going to logic and reason you into a relationship. This is why we should be together. Don't do that.

And if somebody's doing that to you, just be like, no, get fucked. I don't have to date anybody. I don't have to be in any of this situation. Anyway, my point is, Ash, man, we respect that. We respect you. You've broken my heart. You've broken my heart. Don't go breaking my heart.

Anyway, we better wrap this up because our daughter is making noise. Yes, well, just in case you wanted to contact the show, you can do so at suggestivepod at gmail.com. Just like Nikki has. Hi, James and Claire. I've been listening to the podcast for a long time now and once I finally finished university and got a job, I decided to give Big Sandwich a try a few months ago

and I wish I'd done it sooner. Me too. You can do that by subscribing at bigsandwich.co. It's super worth it. I reckon you should if you want. No pressure. No pressure. Anywho, it's $9 a month and you get ad-free podcasts

and all of the things. Early videos, movie commentaries, all sorts of many things. Yeah, correct, exactly. I've got two suggestions for you, says Nikki, one game and one show. The first is a recent game called A Musical Story, a fun but challenging rhythm game set in the 70s with incredible art and even better music. Following a young musician clearly inspired by Jimi Hendrix

who is trying to make it to the Pinewood Festival with his band. I'm not sure how familiar you are with rhythm games, but this one mixes things up a bit as it removes the standard timing indicator present in most games, which gives you a visual indicator of when to press each button. Instead, opting to play the piece of music and show you the button presses for you to repeat, really forcing you to listen and understand the rhythm yourself. I've never played a game like that before. Man, I'm just looking at this. This is like this aesthetic as well.

I'm like, oh, man, this is my jam. Yeah, it sounds really cool. That sounds like a really fun thing maybe to do with kids as well. Yes. So this does make it a harder experience compared to most rhythm games, but when you get it wrong, it just makes you listen to the bar of music again, which is hardly a punishment given how great all the songs are. Oh, I love this.

Nikki, you're smashing it. And my other recommendation is a Korean TV show called DP that came out in 2021. It follows Ahn Joon-ho as he starts his compulsory two-year military service in Korea that all men have to do at some point in their 20s. Not long after joining, he ends up becoming part of the division tasked with tracking down deserters. And this is where the story really shines as you get to see how the military environment combined with Korea's quite strict etiquette when it comes to people older than you leads to a system of bullying and abuse that causes people to desert. Each of the deserters the show focuses on are pretty unique

and have varied and interesting reasons for leaving, and the dynamic between Junho and his partner, Hanho Yeol, is a great use of the funny man, straight man pairing. The show does deal with some pretty heavy themes, particularly that of abuse and suicide. So it's not the easiest thing to watch but I definitely think it was one of the best TV shows I've watched from last year. Wow.

I mean Claire won't watch it because she's only reading books at the moment but yeah, what's that on? What's it called? It's called DP. It's a Korean TV show and it doesn't say where it's on. I will find it. It's on Netflix. Oh, well, yes, that's always good, isn't it, because it's super easy.

That sounds great. Thanks for making the midweek work days a little bit easier with this podcast to listen to. Thanks, Nicky. What a legend. Wow, thank you, Nicky. That's awesome suggestions and awesome good times. This is a review.

Complex and cathartic, the show succeeds precisely because it is the voice of a new generation. I'm all about that. Is that a review of our show? It's a real review. Of our show? No, no, no, no, no. Of this show. Oh, good. I'm all about that. Is that a review of our show? That's a real review. Of our show? No, no, no, no, no, of this show. Oh, good.

I was going to say. I fucking hate that. I don't think anyone's going to be reviewing us with that kind of. I hate people like kids these days. They're not even strong. We used to run in the woods and poke each other's eyes out with sticks and a fucking older generation. Like we used to be tough.

No, you're not. You got handed a bunch of shit. Kids are awesome, man, is what I'm saying. I think everyone has been dealt different cards, James, no matter what their generation. I know, but like the idea of like, oh, kids don't even, whatever. Kids are great. They are.

I would 100% agree with that. I'm not talking like little kids. I'm talking like people younger than us in general, John. I mean, I love the way they're pushing back on so much of the bullshit. Yeah. Which is kind of just, which now just permeates literally everything. I mean in terms of the structures of society, do you know what I mean, and gender norms and like workplace environments, do you know what I mean,

and all of these things that just really need to be absolutely fucking shattered. Anyway, I really enjoy that. Correct. I totally agree. Look, I saw this most incredible young woman interviewed on 7.30 last. Not all old people as well. No, this is true. And I'm just trying to find the story.

And it's all young people. A bunch of them are probably stuck as well, I'm sure. Hang on, Collings. Let me just find. Do you want me to do anything while you're looking for that? Hold on. Hang on, I'll just make a phone call. All right, here he goes.

Beep, boop, boop, boop, boop, boop, boop. Sorry, Collings. Hello? Yes. No, I'm just calling you to pretend that I'm having a phone conversation to buy Claire some time while she's looking for something. Just trying to look for something. What's she looking for?

I actually don't know, but it better be worth it because she's holding up the entire show and me. And it's important that I go inside because I want to have an ice cream after this. And what Claire's currently doing now go inside because I want to have an ice cream after this. And what Claire's currently doing now, she's stopping me from getting an ice cream. The show should be over by now. I should already be eating that ice cream.

All right. Okay. Sorry, I have to go. What's that? I love you, sir. All right. Bye. Go on.

All right. I saw this incredible young woman called Anjali Sharma interviewed on the 7.30 Report tonight, which is a current affairs show. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, and she was talking about how important it is for Australia to move to renewable energies and she's been fighting a court case against our Environment Minister, Susan Lay. Good.

Or Lee, and unfortunately they lost the court case today, which is just heartbreaking. And I was watching this young woman. She would have been, she looked, I would say maybe 16, like really young. And she was so articulate and so enthusiastic and just so heartbroken. You could see in her face because she felt the weight and responsibility of trying to fight this ginormous fight. Yeah.

Up against people that just don't care. Billions of dollars. Billions of dollars and they're still trying to open more coal mines in Australia. Scott Morrison just came out today to say that he was very happy to keep coal going as long as he possibly could. And it's just devastating on so many levels.

Anyway, the young people, that was the point you were saying. I'm going to say something terrible as soon as we stop the podcast, Claire, because when I say it on here, we're going to get the Australian Federal Police coming to our house. Yeah, who knows? Who knows, James? Anyway, we better stop the podcast before he explodes. He's like banging on the top of his drink. He's going to explode. I want to... No, Collins, take that out. Just bleep that. Also, just on a quick side note, this is a tangent, did you see? Yeah, I saw the logo. Do you want to explain the logo?

Oh, my God. All right. So just recently the Australian government has, like, organised a women's network group and they found a, and I want to get this exactly right, so hold on, let me bring it up. So it's so ridiculous. It's called the Women's Network and they've created this logo for it that's kind of a curly W with a weird phallic kind of symbol next to it.

It really looks like a cock and balls. It's a dick. It's basically a dick. Like I don't know how you could look at that and not be like, that's a dick, which makes me also think, like, was it intentional? Yeah, exactly. And if it wasn't intentional, either way it's terrible. If it wasn't intentional, that's the level of incompetence

we're dealing with. And our government have a massive women problem, in inverted commas, as it is. So you would think that they were trying everything in their power to be, you know, diplomatic and sensitive. Instead they're going the complete opposite. It's utterly, it's purple too. It looks like an eggplant.

It looks like the eggplant emoji. It's the eggplant emoji which is also famously a dick. Exactly. And it kind of is curly a little bit like pubes as well. Yeah, yeah, it's a pubes one. It's just so mind-blowing and the internet has just exploded about it because that's the problem. They took it down though. They stopped it. Yeah, but it's been out there for a while. No, I know. It's just so mind-blowing and the internet has just exploded about it because that's the problem.

They took it down though. They stopped it. Yeah, but it's been out there for a while. No, I know. I just think it's like, wow. You're right. Either way, like you did it on purpose, which is insane. Atrocious.

Or you didn't say it, which is also baffling. Atrocious. Yeah, because it shows just a complete lack. I guess at least it's not pink. Do you know what I mean? They didn't go, women like pink. Girls like lack. I guess at least it's not pink. Do you know what I mean? They didn't go, women like pink. Girls like pink. I don't have a problem with pink.

No, so instead they said, I know what women like, a giant purple cock and balls. Fuck yeah. Great. Excellent. Chicks love a giant purple cock and balls. Jesus. Anyways, let's get out of here.

Yeah, let's get out of here on that note. Before I say something else that Collings has to bleep. All right. Thank you as always to Collings for editing this week's show. We have been Suggestible Podcast. Big love to you and yours. Stay safe out there. Yes.

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