Suggestible - You can't read a horse

Episode Date: August 8, 2019

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I'm also on this podcast. We suggest things that we have read and looked at. Otherwise, we'd just be suggesting things that I guess were suggested to us. Correct. That's not what this is. By Google. No, we've actually watched and read and listened to these things. Welcome to you, listener. Okay.

Are we ready to go? I'm ready to go. Okay. As always, gentlemen's first. Okay. Are we ready to go? I'm ready to go. Okay. As always, gentlemen's first. Okay. I have full disclaimer. What? I happen to be a feminist, but I keep saying gentlemen's first as a joke.

But someone on Twitter said to me, it should be ladies first because feminism. And I said, no, gentlemen's first. Well, because I guess the idea behind it is that you choose who goes first. Correct. And because I'm such a beta cuck, soy boy, I will accept whatever your decision is. He said,

haha, sucked in, I'm going first this week. My recommendation, yeah, you didn't see that one coming, did you mate? So tired.

My first recommendation. Why would you break the formula? The one thing that we do in this show. Because I like, I like to throw caution to the wind. Absolutely. I appreciate that. Live by the seat of my pants. All right.

It's not an expression. It might be. Never know. My first recommendation is Case Histories by Kate Atkinson. Have you heard of it? I haven't heard of neither of those things or people. Excellent. So Kate Atkinson is an author and she has written lots of books,

but this particular series is awesome. It starts with case histories and it is a book where she introduces Jackson Brody, a former police inspector and now private investigator. The plot revolves around three seemingly unconnected family tragedies, the disappearance of a three-year-old girl from a garden, the murder of a husband by his wife with an axe, which I feel that might happen in this scenario. We have an axe?

Well, we might. I made Thor's hammer. Did you see that for our three-year-old? Yeah, but an axe is not a hammer. Sure, Thor also has an axe. Here he goes. It's called Yarnborn from the comics, but also it's called Stormbreaker from the movies.

It's different. Sorry, go on. Oh, oh, oh, la-di-da, showing off your comic. Anyway, moving right along, soy boy. And the apparently motiveless murder of a solicitor's daughter. Atkinson has since published four additional novels in the series. It is so good, James. You know how much I love a murder mystery?

Too much. You know how much I love a disgruntled, lonely old detective? Well, I know that you like looking at a mirror, which is the same thing for you. Gotcha! No, don't get me. I'll get you. With an axe, apparently. No, don't do it. Or maybe I will. Who knows? Anyway. Yeah, this is right up your

alley. Yeah, I bloody love it, mate. It's really similar to J.K. Rowling's detective series that she wrote as Robert Galbraith. Yeah, which is really good. The Casual Vacancy? Yeah. Oh, no.

The Casual Vacancy is not a detective novel. That's like her first one that she published under her own name. Okay. And that one actually is really worth reading, but it's really intense. It's like the polar opposite of Harry Potter. So it's really a sharp look at poverty in the UK. Right. And the characters are quite almost unlikable in a way,

but also, yeah, it's kind of darkly funny, but pretty heavy going. But there's still a flying motorbike in it, though, isn't there? And hoverboard. What? Because all the books have hoverboards. All their books? Every book.

Because I've read every Harry Potter book and none of those have a hoverboard in it. No, I just said all the best books have hoverboards. Oh, that's probably true. The Back to the Future 2 novelization is exceptional. Correct, exactly. I just looked up Kate Atkinson to see if she was related to Rowan Atkinson. And she's not?

Not so. No. Maybe Rowan Atkinson owns a hoverboard. They're about the same age, actually. Are they? He would. He's a multi, multi, multi millionaire. I remember once I read in the 90s like Rowan Atkinson crashed his Ferrari.

And I'm like, fucking Rowan Atkinson? Mr. Bean's driving around in a Ferrari? But of course he'd have a Ferrari. That guy would be crazy rich. That really like makes me feel so great. Can you imagine like, I can imagine him sitting on the roof of his Ferrari in a chair, but controlling it with ropes like an episode of Mr. Bean. And for some reason only has three wheels. Yeah, exactly.

No, that was his nemesis car that had three wheels. His was like a mini, a little green mini. Oh, I see. That's right. You know that my dad, who I love very much and has passed away, but had a very Mr. Bean-esque moment in his life. He had a very Mr. Bean quality about him. He did.

In particular. The Ferrari, yeah. Yeah, the three-wheeled Ferrari that he drove with the car or chair on the top or something. No, no. That scene where Mr. Bean sings in church. Oh, yeah, right. That is many a time my father. Well, that ties into my thing that I'm talking about this week.

It does. Cool. Okay. Well, I'll just quickly finish saying one other thing about this series that Kate Axon wrote. So five books, did you say? Yes. The most recent one, Big Sky, has just been released. But I'd start with Case Histories.

It's like three stories, seemingly unconnected. And it's kind of like a tragedy comedy that is really gripping and suspenseful, but also snore-inducingly funny and heartbreakingly tragic. Did you like my description? Very good. Yeah. Snore-inducingly funny and heartbreakingly tragic. Did you like my description? Very good. Yeah, yeah. Snore-inducing, got it. Hey, just because you want to go have your nap.

I do, I really do. Maybe we should have recorded this tonight when you're awake. That's probably true at 1 a.m., yeah. Yeah, correct. That's the time you're flying, mate. You're all awake. It's just, it's really darkly funny and kind of hits you in the heartstrings. I was going to say gonads, but that's wrong.

Heartstrings. And it just has a lot of surprising turns that you don't expect. And you really can't see how the stories are interconnected. And then you're like, oh my God, he was with them the whole time. Yeah, but it's one of those books that you finish reading and you immediately want to recommend to someone else, which is why I'm recommending it to you. When did you read this?

This week. Oh, wow. Yeah. that's all you've been up to yeah that's the squirreled away reading polishing my brain cells were you reading on the kindle yeah yeah okay right yeah yeah because it's not lying around the house that's how i love reading on the kindle because you can just read it's really good for the stuff like that and if you just want to instantly download a thing yeah exactly and then you immediately can read all the other books in the series too. And the batteries last forever. They last for so long. I always get really surprised when they run out.

And then I frantically live about the house looking for the charger for the Kindle and can never find it. Yeah, exactly. Because you never need it. No. Yeah. And then you suddenly do and it's a whole thing. And then you're reading it. It has a short chord.

So I'm always reading it with my ear close to the PowerPoint. I've still, I've requested many, at least once, that I wish they'd made a prop, they will make a proper colour Kindle for comics. Because I don't want a tablet because of battery life. But also, I want something that's just comics so I don't get distracted and check my hotmail.com. Your hotmail. But the technology is, it's different between colour and black and white. so I don't get distracted and check my hotmail.com. Your hotmail.

But the technology, it's different between color and black and white. So I don't know. And I don't think there's a need for it or a call for it, really. No, I don't think so either. How about just buying the books, mate? Yeah. Yeah, like having them in your little hand. Like physical comics.

Yeah. I'd read them on my phone, mostly, Claire. You do, which is bad for the blue light when you sleep. I never sleep. Only wait so I can sleep. Like a vampire. That's right. That's true.

You always sleep in like a box with a lid on it. Well, if you didn't nail me in every night, I wouldn't. My feelings. Hey, one other recommendation I have before you could go next. Next week, you'll be back to Gentleman's Best. Well, I hope so. You don't like how I throw the format. This is our worst episode.

It is. It's the wrong time of the day for you. No, I have started to sleep with a face mask on. Yeah. Not like a liquidy one. Just like a soft padded one. Yeah. From like the $2 shop.

And it is bloody amazing. They're good. They're so good. You just sleep so well. And then I wake up and it's always like. They're good. They're so good. You just sleep so well. And then I wake up and it's always like not on my face anymore. It's like beside the bed or around my neck or something. That's a bit dangerous. But it's just been a joy.

So that's my other recommendation. Because when we've lived together in the six or seven places that we've lived in, except for this current house, there's always been a street light directly outside our window. Yeah, that was one thing you looked at when we were looking for a house. It drove me crazy for such a long time. Even when we lived up north where there were no streets, we didn't live on a street, we lived on a paddock, but still there was in our yard a street light which was directly outside the window. Shining straight into the bedroom. Yes. I don't know.

So random. What about in Africa? Was there a street light in the house you lived in in Africa? Actually, I couldn't tell you. They just had that cow. They just had a cow that would moo. Because each family kind of had their own cow that lived in a little shack next to their house. And that cow had a calf.

And then they separated the cow and the calf because they obviously were going to sell the calf. And then they tied the calf to the front of our house. Yeah, because they didn't want it to keep them up all night. And so then I've never seen the funniest images of you like getting out of bed, wrapping a pink towel around you and dragging a calf around the side of the house on the end of a road. The next day I'm like, Reggie, why is your cow tied up in the front of ours? And he's like, because it's too loud.

I'm like, come and get your fucking cow or I'm going to kill it. I think they thought that we were all like bleeding hearted who were like volunteering and would never crack it, but they hadn't reckoned with all Jim Bob over there. He was a good guy. He was a lovely guy, Reggie. Well, speaking of good hearted people,

I watched a movie from 2016 called Silence. It's a Martin Scorsese film. It's the movie he did after Wolf of Wall Street, and it's based on the 1966 novel of the same name. It stars Andrew Garfield. You shush. It stars Andrew Garfield, who is Spider-Man, Adam Driver, who is Kylo Ren,

and Liam Neeson, who is Ra's al Ghul, but also Qui-Gon Jinn, but also Schindler's List. Was that his name? I think so. Is Liam Neeson the one that's always like, my daughter, you've got my daughter. Who's got my daughter? Who's got my daughter?

Who took my daughter? Also, I've got a gun and I'm afraid to use it and I'm in a long coat on a train. If you look at the Liam Neeson posters from the last 12 years and you took the title off it, it's just all him in a leather jacket holding a gun. Like in a hurry And there's like blue speed lines kind of going past him. That's every Liam Neeson poster. Not except for this one, because basically it's a, it's a fictional story, but it's based on, on, on true events of a 17th century, two Jesuit priests from Portugal who go to Japan to locate Liam Neeson, who was a missionary who was sent there at a time when,

if you were Christian in Japan, because it was a predominantly Buddhist nation, you were persecuted. Like, they'd murder the priests. You'd have to kind of pray in secret and all those kinds of things. It was basically, yeah, Christianity was outlawed, and there were these inquisitors who would go around and, like, look for them in small communities. And it resonated a lot with the poor because as religion often does,

because it's, it's something that, you know, when you die, it's going to elevate you and, you know, don't, don't worry about this life because the next life it's going to be great.

You're going to have a horse and everything, but, uh, well, it's whatever you want in your next life, isn't it? But, uh,

so you want a horse? You don't even like horses. I don't like horses. I don't trust them. No, you have a weird thing with horses. I do, haven't I? No, I like them, but I don't understand them. The last time we saw a horse,

we were going for a walk around the beach, and you saw a horse, and you were like, I don't like it. Get away from it. I don't like you, horse. That did not happen. Yes, that absolutely did happen. I was like, look at this majestic creature, and it was so lovely, and came over to look at us, and you were like, I'm leaving. I don't like this horse. That did not happen. Yes, that absolutely did happen. I was like, look at this majestic creature.

And it was so lovely and like came over to look at us. And you're like, I'm leaving. I don't like this horse. I'll bat a horse, but I don't, I can't read them. You know, like I can read a dog. It's the same with cats. Like I can read a dog. I can read other animals, birds, I guess, some birds.

Birds hate you as well. Some birds do hate me. But the horses, I'm like, I can't. And they're so big and they're not as smart as dogs people like they're smartest dogs i looked into it they're not i mean i'm sure some are they're very intuitive emotionally intuitive anyway i don't know how we got onto this topic about how you hate horses but you don't hate horses bad guy get on with your recommendation so the idea so andrew garfield's thank you andrew garfield's character uh being a priest he eventually gets captured and they basically spend like a large chunk of

the movie trying to break him down so that he renounces christianity and the way they do that is to like psychological torture they don't they tried torturing priests prior to him and villages but they found that they just made martyrs of them. So what they wanted to do was have him publicly renounce his faith. And it's interesting because the core ideologies, and they say this to him as well, between Buddhist and Christianity, they're not that different. It seems to be a good person, et cetera, so forth. You get a horse in heaven. Except if you're James, because that would be your idea of hell. Yeah, if I'm going to go to heaven and a horse trots up, I'm like, wait a minute.

This is the bad place. Yeah, so he's put in positions where like, hey, we're going to kill this person unless you renounce Christianity. And he's like, I'll never renounce my faith, so they'd kill them. And then it's like, well, you're just killing people now. never renounce my faith so they'd kill them and then it's like well you're just killing people now and then he's in a conundrum of if i renounce my faith is that better to do that and save lives or to stay strong and then they just keep killing people again and again in in front of me you know what i mean and it's this kind of interesting exploration of faith and it's not a really a criticism of either religion uh if anything it'd be a criticism of buddhism in that particular

time in period in time. But it is interesting the way, I just think the way that faith plays a role in lives and I think you see a lot of parallels today in what people believe and why they choose to believe in them and what's a breaking point for certain people because you do meet kind of people along the way who, you know, have shifted their ideologies and things like that. And I just think it's a really, I mean, I've been watching it for years, but I'm like, oh, this is heavy, and it goes for nearly three hours or whatever.

But it's well worth a watch if you can kind of sit there and kind of endure it, I guess. You're really selling it. Yeah. Well, look, it's not like, get out there and watch it. You're going to – it's like just – you're not going to have a very good time. But it's a very interesting film, gonna have a very good time but uh it's a it's a very interesting film and i and i and i did really enjoy it yeah martin scorsese i like most of his

films and i think he makes a lot of interesting projects like he does these gangster films and whatever he's got another one coming out this year which i'm not super interested in but like you know like wolf of wall street is so different from this like you wouldn't you wouldn't think they were the same guy. Anyway, what's your thing now? I love Wolf of Wall Street. P.S. Margot Robbie's performance in that is spectacular. Agreed. But she is in everything.

A lot of things. Okay, that sounds great. I'm going to try that one. Okay. No, you won't like it. We can wait for clean water solutions. Or we can engineer access to clean water. We can acknowledge Indigenous cultures. Or we can engineer access to clean water. We can acknowledge Indigenous cultures.

Or we can learn from Indigenous voices. We can demand more from the earth. Or we can demand more from ourselves. At York University, we work together to create positive change for a better tomorrow. Join us at yorku.ca slash write the future. All right. Okay, my next recommendation is a film that we both saw, 2040. We did, yes. And it's by Damon Gamow, who also did that sugar film, which you can currently watch on Netflix or Stan, one of those. It's on Stan here.

On Stan. You can stream it. Yeah, you'll find it. And that's really worth a watch as well. We based our charity campaign on this one. Essentially, if you don't want to watch the sugar film, it's basically sugars and everything and don't eat it. Correct.

It's making us all fat. Yeah. And you're sugar-free since 93, mate. I try to be. Yeah, there you go. Anyway, so Damon's film this time is a letter to his daughter, Velvet. And it's a really positive look. It's like the antithesis to all the films that you love about the future just being

like a bleak, barren landscape. Yeah, it's guy pissing a bar. And we've just robbed the earth of any kind of nutrients or resources. Yeah, the actual future we're going to get. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I know. Anyway, so he wanted to create a film that was an antithesis to that and put out a more hopeful message.

So really, he looks at all the existing technologies that we currently have and what the world could look like if we put them into place now in 2040. And so it kind of flicks between the reality of where we're living now and then in 2040 the numbers kind of turn over and he has a look at a whole lot of different areas. And they've chosen five in the film. So the first one, the number one, which I thought was so fascinating, the number one thing that can help with climate change at the moment

is educating girls, which really surprised me. Yes. And that was the basis of our charity campaign last year, wasn't it? It was with Care Australia, yeah, educating girls and women. The second one he looked at, Marine Permaculture, which is our charity campaign this year, which there is a link, or Royal Collings is going to put in the show notes below to our campaign at the moment, which is growing some seaweed. Because seaweed is an incredible solution, as it says in the film,

but you can actually create environments for fish and for marine animals. But also, seaweed is a way of sequestering carbon out of the atmosphere. If you put it into cattle's feed, it reduces their emissions. It also obviously creates food like sushi and tourism and biofuel, all kinds of things, fibers even for clothing. So there's a whole lot of the sort of ocean floor that is prime land for marine regeneration and permaculture because a lot of the kelp forests around the globe have been lost to the global warming. So anyway, so we're raising funds for that, which is really cool. Yeah, so there's marine permaculture.

The other ones he looks at are transport, so like electric cars, driverless cars, and he actually jumps in a driverless car. That was kind of crazy to see. That's going to be very soon, yeah. Yeah, you're really obsessed with that idea. And also just the idea of if we move towards driverless cars and the way Uber is going, rather than everyone owning their own vehicle, the world would look like, because there was crazy statistics

about how much of cities is just made up of car spaces and what we could do with cities if those car spaces were no longer needed and car parks. So I thought that was really interesting. And he looks at regenerative agriculture, which is really trying to restore the soil that's been degraded by cattle and also by pesticides. It's outside of pesticides.

Yeah, exactly. So that really looks at this jolly old farmer and this amazing way that he's regrowing his soil. And then the fifth one obviously looks at energy, like renewable energy. Yes. Yeah, what did you think of the film? I thought, well, I had to leave before the end because I had to. It was Comic-Con weekend.

It was Comic-Con day, yes. Amazing. But no, really good and really interesting and really like simple and achievable solutions. Like you said, like all of the things presented are very, well, they're possible. They are possible right now and people are doing them right now. It's just a matter of implementing them.

And I think, so there is that layer of hope to like, you know, you could just do this now. If everybody just did this, it would be 100% fine. Yeah. Well, maybe. But yeah, it's just about, and I know because you spoke to him, you interviewed him for Just Make the Thing, my podcast. Which is a really interesting interview.

That should be linked below. That's like make the thing for everybody but uh but how he talks about you asked him off there about why people are destroying the earth and just fracking and mining and whatever and he had a really interesting answer do you want to talk about that oh yeah very quickly because we're running out of time but um yeah so i asked him what are these people like who are making these decisions that are affecting our kids' future completely? Like what are they like? Like are they just like miserable humans that are running? Because it's something like only 100 companies

that are using the world's resources in this way, particularly fossil fuels and that kind of industry. And he said, I've met some of these people that run these corporations and I felt like they were like lizard people, like just dead behind the eyes. And mainly men in their late 60s, early 70s, and they just seemed to have no empathy, almost sort of graying, sort of pale,

kind of unable to kind of connect in with any kind of real understanding of what they're doing to the planet. Yeah, it's that sociopath kind of thing. Yeah, exactly. And that made so much sense for us. It's like not being able to say, and you see it in a lot of leaders and people in positions of power, because a lot of times you can get there because you don't care about anyone or anything.

Yeah, yeah. And you can't think, imagine a world where when, a lot of these people are older than us, not always, they're just people who, you know, because they've been in power, you know, they get to that level. But they can't think, I'm going to be dead in 10 to 20 years and maybe you want to leave something for... Yeah. You just can't take anything with you.

No, because it's all about money to them. Yeah. I mean, even when you watch films, I watched a film, a documentary recently on Netflix that was all about water and what they're doing in America to the water supply with fracking. and watching the sort of the heads of these industries and the way they're talking about it or either lying or just kind of dismissing these claims from people who are saying that their kids are now becoming sick and their water supplies and it's flammable

water there's a yeah and they show the light is light. Coming out of the tap and you can light it on fire. Yeah, exactly. And the way these, like, they just seem to have no empathy about it. And I fundamentally think part of it is a complete disconnect from the planet and growing people and food and the way we live. But I think it's also, yeah, that's a result of these practices. And I think most people don't really want to live this way, I think. Like disconnected from the earth.

Because we are animals. At the end of the day, we are so reliant on this planet that we walk on. But somehow we've come to this point where Western culture is so disconnected from it. And these mostly men, actually, I will say, running these corporations are so disconnected from that fact. The air we breathe, the water we drink, all of that impacts everything we do. Absolutely. And without it, we're, you know, I mean, Mars is not that habitable.

You know what I mean? It'd be pretty cold. We've got nowhere else to go. And the fact that, you know, they're just not caring about it. Anyway, I could harp on about this forever, but if you are feeling like us, please go and donate to our campaign. Yes, that'll be linked below. We get over $20,000.

That's it, which means we've got $40,000 because they double every coin we make. They do. They match every dollar, the Intrepid Foundation. So that's cool. All right, we've only got 22 minutes left. 22 minutes left. We've got heaps of time.

No, I mean eight minutes to go. Oh, let's just take a break. Oh, God. I'm going to have a nap. Yeah, this is your nap time. I'm keeping you from your nap, guys. I really need a nap. I know, this is tragic.

I was up too early because when you go to the gym in the morning, it means I have to get up. All right, stop banging on. And it's an absolute nightmare. Okay, so the last thing I'm going to talk about is something that we watched together. It's called Book Smart. It's by Olivia Wilde, director Olivia Wilde,

who people might know from the movie Tron, from the movie Cowboys and Aliens. From her starring role in House. From House, the TV show House. She was Dr. Remy 13 Hadley. Is that what? Okay. Yeah, that was her name in House.

And I really liked her character. Which episode of House was it where someone comes in with a disease and they think that they've nailed it. So they cure it and then they turn around and the person's like foaming at the mouth. And then they're like, this isn't rabies at all. This is a super virus or whatever. And then House is like, I don't know what to do. And they're like, House, listen up, House.

You've been right every single other week. But this time you're practicers and we're shutting you down, House. And then he's like, I've just had an epiphany. And then they save the day. And then they're like, you just made it through this time, House, but you're bloody lucky it worked out for you because they've bought a director's house. They're going to come down on your house.

All right. So which episode is that? You're way midget point. Which episode is that though? Gosh, this is so specific, James. I'd have to look it up. You'd have to look it up. It doesn't sound like every single episode of House, does it?

Someone could Google all of that and tell me. That'd be great. All right. Book smart. So Olivia Wilde, writer and director. It stars Caitlin Adiva and Bernie Feldstein. Did you recognize Bernie Feldstein? Because it's actually Jonah Hill's sister.

Really? Oh, is that why she looks so familiar? Yes, they have the same face. Yeah, they do. And really, it's a similar, yeah, I don't know. They've got a similar vibe, yeah. Well, because people have compared this to like, this is super bad with girls, which I think is a fair and unfair comparison.

Yeah, the dialogue's very different. Yeah, and the friendships in this is different than the super bad friendships. What I liked about this, I didn't love it. I was really hoping that I would love it because I'd heard amazing things, but I just liked it. But their friendship and the way that they played off each other, it's about two high school girls who basically they didn't party at all in high school because they wanted to go to good colleges and whatever

and then they realised that everybody else at their school also partied but also were going to the same colleges so they're spending the last night trying to have some fun adventures and whatever. So, yeah, the friendship I enjoyed about it but there was an inevitable and there's a lot of funny moments but there's also inevitable like, okay, this is where they're going to have a fight and they're gonna be like you've never we've never made friends and you don't trust me or whatever you know it's what happens in super bad happens in everything and then you know they come back together and more and whatever so

it kind of follows the tropes but it is interesting saying like this i'd like it what felt like a really genuine friendship between the two that's what i liked about it what did you like or not like about it? Two things. One, I'll say I kind of hate movies like Superbad, even though Superbad's fun. He's the fastest killer. American Pie. Yeah.

He's the fastest killer. Yeah, it's so funny. It is a really funny movie. American Pie and Superbad are not the same. No, they're not at all. But that teenage angst coming of age. American Pie has a scene where they live stream a girl naked. Yeah, I know.

There's a lot. It's very problematic. And not that funny. No. I never thought it was. Yeah, like Superbad is really great. We watched it quite recently and I really enjoyed it. But I do, it is a trope that I've seen a lot.

Yeah, definitely. Okay, putting that aside, I think maybe I've loved this. Okay, putting that aside, I think maybe I've loved this. One of the reasons being it is very rare, A, to see a film with two female characters and their friendship at this age. And they're not particularly model-esque. They're not kind of all sexy or whatever. They're very smart. Their friendship is really intense. They build each other up intense one um they build each other up a lot build each other up a lot they're really confident it's not like oh

we're normally the way this kind of story goes is that they're outcasts and bumbling nerds and one and then everybody hates them which everybody hates them but they're normally like down on themselves and they feel really sad they've got braces and glasses and then inevitably they end up getting a makeover and then the hot man hot sure kid falls to them or whatever that doesn't happen in this they're very like confident they back each other they're really smart there's a scene where they both start talking in mandarin to each other because you can tell how intelligent they are they're also really sharply funny and for me to see the kind of friendship that I know and experience all the time, because women, female friendships like that, we talk so fast to each other.

And the way they talk to each other and then the comedy of errors and the subtleties, it made me want to cry because I have so many smart, funny friends who are women, right? Yeah. I very rarely see them depicted on screen. Well, they're not actors, are they, your friends? No, shut up. I know it's easy for you to laugh at it. No, no, I know what you mean.

It's the same when I saw Wonder Woman. It's the same feeling I get when I see Captain Marvel, right? It is so rare for women to not only be funny and smart but also be goofy and gross yeah like they get to be really gross in this as well and that doesn't happen very often for women on screen so i really love that i love the exploration about how to come how she one of the characters is gay and so kind of that she'd already come out i love lisa kudrow as the mom like the parent scene, I thought were really funny.

They were really good. What I loved as well, I think the joy of it for me, the trope is a bit tired, I think. Yeah, sure. But Katie Silberman did a rewrite of this and the writing team is Emily Houtburn and Sarah Haskins, Susanna Fogel, and then Katie, which it was like a screenplay they wrote,

and then Katie Silberman came and did some rewriting. Now, Katie Silberman is amazing. She got her break working with a writer called Dana Fox, who did a TV show called Ben and Kate. Do you remember that? It was only did one season, but it did quite well. The way she got her break as a writer, she just was cold emailing everybody and Dana Fox ended up being one of her mentors

and they ended up working together. She first just was Dana Fox's assistant and then what they ended up doing was then writing together on a film called Isn't It Romantic? Oh, right. Okay, yeah. That film that's on Netflix starring Rebel Wilson. I really liked Isn't It Romantic. Right, right. Okay. Yeah. That film that's on Netflix is starring Rebel Wilson. I really liked Isn't It Romantic. It's so funny and clever.

And I didn't realize that Dana Fox and also this woman who wrote this, Katie Silberman, were co-writers on that. Okay. Well, that makes a lot of sense. It makes a lot of sense. Now, the other thing that Katie Silberman has also written recently, which I bloody loved, and I reckon I loved it more than Isn't It Romantic and even more than Booksmart.

Won't You Be My Maybe? No. Set It Up. Have you watched Set It Up? I've never heard of that. This is my favorite suggestible I think we've done so far. What time? What's the time?

29 minutes. Oh, Claire. Come on, I just had to quickly talk about it. It's so good. It's so good. So Set It Up, and I watched it without you, and I haven had to quickly talk about it. It's so good. It's so good. So set it up. And I watched it without you and I haven't talked to you about it. I've seen this.

Have you seen it? Yeah, I've seen this. Yeah, with Taye Diggs and Lucy Liu. Yes, I have 100% seen this. Yeah, so Taye Diggs and Lucy Liu are like high-flying corporate guys and they have these two assistants, Zoe Douche and then Glenn Powell. I think that's how you say her name. Douche? Dech?

Dech? I think she's the daughter of Elizabeth Shabeth shoe i want to say possibly from back to the future i'm going to keep going but she's so great anyway and the two sort of eas like the person they're her personal assistants or whatever pas i mean not eas get together and they try and get lucy lou and tay digs's characters to like fall in love so they can get more time to themselves. And in the meantime, they kind of- Leah Thompson, sorry, who's also from Back to the Future. Sorry, keep going.

Yeah. There you go. Your brain power is amazing. I was close enough. You were very close. And so they try and get Lucy Liu and Taye Diggs' characters to fall in love. But the writing is what I love. And it's the Katie Silberman writing that is in this and is also in Isn't It Romantic.

The women get to be complex and funny and goofy and smart. And I love that because women aren't always given permission to be that and be messy haired and kind of sort of, I just love it. And, yeah, so set it up. I'd highly recommend it. And have you seen it? Yeah, I've love it. And yeah, so set it up. I'd highly recommend it. And have you seen it? Yeah, I've seen it. Oh, what did you think? It was good.

I liked it. And I like Lucy Liu a lot and she should be in more things. Yeah, she should. She's so great. She's in an episode of Sex and the City and she's amazing in it. I was thinking about Sex and the City today actually. Oh, here he goes. I mean, I used to like it a lot and I think it did a lot of really good things.

And those movies show that you take those people and you put them in a different scenario, and they're the worst people in the world. They are. It's so selfish. That's for another day, though. It is. Oh, my God. Because it's the end of the show.

It is. If you want to leave a review, you can on, just on your app, on your phone, or whatever, on iTunes, whatever it is. This is from the first Joel. Five stars says, bought the first thing I heard. Came over from the weekly planner, bought the first goddamn thing James recommended before the podcast was even over. God damn it, I hate this podcast.

It's too effective. But you were still kind enough for five stars, Joel. Thank you, Joel. You got some recommendations for people who... I do. This one is from Ghostface on the Twitters. Nice name, Ghostface. He has said, or she, I don't know, he said,

really loving the Suggestible pod. Some bloody good banter. My Suggestible is a show called Wayne. It's on YouTube Red, and it's like the American version of the end of the effing world. Also, I Kill Giants, Claire, James bloody bought it, which I think he means I need to read the comic I Kill Giants that you gave to me.

Or she, Ghostface, right? Correct, exactly. Is it Ghostface, right? Correct. Is it Ghostface Killer from Wu-Tang Clan? I don't know. Well, possibly because the handle is at Wabba Labba Dub. That's a Rick and Morty reference. Ah. So a doubly one of your things.

Cool. I don't know much about Wu-Tang Clan. I'm sorry. No. I don't know. But I do know they ain't nothing to fuck with. That I know. Okay. There you go.

I've got one more. Mike Potts recommends Kings of the Wild by Nicholas Eames. A modern take on the epic D&D style fantasy adventure party, but totally turns the genre on its head, mate, by using rock music terminology like touring band and manager to describe its world. Well, I'll say this, Claire. Those are great suggestibles.

And if people want to leave a suggestible for us, they can at suggestiblepod on Twitter, Instagram. Instagram and Twitter. Do we have a Gmail? No, we don't. But you can email us, contact at planetbroadcasting.com. That's right. They can shoot that through to us.

They can shoot it through. But, yeah, just like DM us on Instagram or Twitter us. What do you got? With Instagrammers. And also review us in your app, us. What do you got? With Instagrammers. And also review us in your app, mate. It's right there. Please do it. We suggest that you do.

Okay. James, that's why he's rushed us through this episode. He needs to bloody go have an app. Stop yawning. Stop being boring and I'll stop yawning. My feelings. That's it. See you guys next week for whatever this is.

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