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Episode Date: August 19, 2026

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Hi, I'm Laura Clary, mom, chaos coordinator, and someone who has learned the hard way that back-to-school season is basically a second mortgage. Last year, my daughter decided she absolutely needed this very specific backpack, not just any backpack, the backpack. I found it, I bought it, I sent her off on the first day. of school. She lost it by week two, gone forever. So remember, with Amazon's low back-to-school prices, just spend less on your kids because every dollar you don't spend on them is a dollar you haven't spent on them. Dude, have you noticed though how much more light is on us now that that box isn't

there? Oh shit. Like you could see it in the thing. It looks, it looks better. And I was kind of unhappy with how dark things were and I realized we were just blocking one of the lights. We're dark boys doing what dark. Because of the lighting was darker. You know, we could turn all the lights off. We're dark boys doing what dark? Like blonde boy. Remember, we're the guys who did blonde boys?

That was us, guys. You know, actually, that might roll a clip. We're just blonde boys doing what blonde boys do. It's my favorite thing I've started doing is just the... Roll the clip. We're just blonde boys doing what blonde boys do. But also like, but doing it like not not giving it a moment and then like interrupting you. Just roll the clip.

We're just blonde boys doing what blonde boys do. Do we have the clip? Do we have the clip? Roll it. We're just blonde boys doing what blonde boys do. But I mean, yeah, we, a lot of people might have their mind blown by that because a lot of people don't know that that's us in blonde boys. is you mean our late friend Daniel. And we made that back in 2015,

but it was on your original channel with Daniel Sindigo. So a lot of people don't, and because we're in costumes, most people don't connect the dots, especially because that video really took off years later. It has a life of its own. Does it still get like a good bit of year? I think so.

There was a point where it was getting like a million views a year or some shit like that. There was a point where it was the thing on TikTok. That was what really said it off. did it. But basically, yeah, in case you guys didn't know, that's us. That's us over a decade ago. I'm Ethan and I was 14. Yeah, over a decade.

No, I wasn't really, that was my age in the... We weren't hanging out when I was 14. Slaying all these women with my massive pain. I got a couple of hobbies besides being blonde. Like performing for the boys with my ribbon baton. Yeah. And the SpongeBob punches you. Dude, that would...

He was annoyed by me. He said, get away. He said something quick and sharp. He was a Hollywood Boulevard. Known for its cast of characters. Well, here's the thing, dude. If you've never been to Hollywood, like if you live elsewhere outside of L.A. Well, if you live here, why would you?

Exactly. You know. But Hollywood sounds so, like, glitzy and glamorous. Growing up, I thought that, like, driving down the streets of Hollywood, he'd be like, whoa. it bears like there'll be a dude like spraying diarrhea in the street See like Rodeo Drive yes

Yeah like if Hollywood had the class Of Beverly Hills It would be like something to behold Why did Hollywood get the L.A Like that that When you think of L.A like Hollywood is the This is a tourist trap But why why?

People started coming and visiting this one central location Because of the Chinese theaters there The Hollywood Walk of Fame used to be something that was actually like, what? No, it's disgusting to you. What? Also, why, but why was the film industry called Hollywood? Did it used to all be in Hollywood?

Because now it's like... Hollywood land. They don't shoot movies. Like, everything's in Canada now. Yeah, but also like in LA, everything seems like film wise seems to be really in Burbank. Mm-hmm. So we should start using the term Burbank as synonymous with Hollywood.

Burbank would. You're going to, you're going to Burbank, Bank, baby. Beautiful Burbank California. Just think one day we're going to be in Burbank. Oh man, if you and I keep this up, we're going to be in Burbank in no time. I mean, we were in Burbank for a time in our last office. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We had the old Super Megaplex. I mean, I guess it's safe to docks it at this point many years later. Yeah. Was in Burbank, California. But some of you already figure that out, you little rascals, knuckleheads. But yeah, I really, I do like Burbank a lot. A lot of people hate it. It's nice. I don't.

I couldn't imagine living in Burbank. I could live in Burbank. It has a nice... Maybe in the back area, but that's so expensive. Like, that's another reason why I couldn't imagine fucking living in Burbank or even... Like, Glendale's nice, but when you start, it's also expensive.

I mean, everywhere's expensive. I think everywhere is. But if you go... It's funny because, like, there's a point where you go further out becomes cheaper, but then you go further out to, like, Simi Valley and just becomes even more expensive. Yeah. It's like a

There's like a Halo and you have to just You have to get right in that ring Or go live in the mountains somewhere That's probably expensive as well Those are like really nice homes Well here's the thing There is so much wilderness

I mean How long do you think someone could go Off the grid Really far remote where it's like You don't own the property and buy it But you're just going to build a house Like a cabin and just live there Like you didn't pay for the land

or anything, you don't pay property tax, but you know, there's no, it's so remote that no one out there is going to... It's like someone who owns 200 fucking whatever, some odd anchor, acres. That's a lot of anchors. You take one of those acres. Are they going to notice? Well, 200 probably. Okay, how about someone who owns 2,000 acres? Maybe even 2,000, but someone that owns

over 9,000? Yeah, but like, if you're like just some dude who owns a shit ton of land, are you going and like walking the perimeter of your land every week? I damn sure would. I guess they probably have cameras set up in, like, the woods. But I guess also more so even, like, what about like on federal land? Like, where it's a, like, the square mileage of the wilderness is just so vast that there's

like, I mean. Like the desert, like driving to Vegas, just anywhere out there. Yeah, could you, that might be harder because it's open, so they spot you. But if it's, like, forest, you just build a little cap. happening there? But who's first thought, and I know it's probably their jobs, but I'm guessing who's the guy that is driving along and goes, I don't think that's supposed to be there. I need to report this to someone. Yeah, this is, that's a house. That's a house. Wait. I don't remember that being there. Well, but it's so far off, it might just look like a boulder. What if you get your house to look like a rock formation, but inside it's very like nice and modern and luxurious? You build the house and on the outside you do like, you get chicken wire and paper mache and you build like a nice rock facade. Yes. That would be pretty cool. How long can we live on stolen land?

Well, Ryan, I got news for you. We're all living on stolen land. We're already living on stolen land, brother. And guess what? But that would be the crux of the joke. Exactly. Dude, I genuinely, though, I'm curious how easy it would be. Well, I'm not even talking.

Like, actually, what is the smallest you could go where you could probably live, at least, a couple years, build a small hut and live without someone, like, catching on. Like, what's the smallest amount of property you could probably do that on? Like, a dumpster-sized property? No, I mean, like, the whole property that you build on. Like, we know people that have farmland, not, not, like, tremendous, like, sprawling, but you might be... Comparatively to what we have in L.A. renting.

You could probably just pop a little shed. and they may be like, was that, that had to have always been, why would that just appear overnight? Of course that was there. You secretly build a basement with a trap door that you put a rug on and a secret tunnel exit.

Guys, that's the thing. That's what they don't want you to know. You can live for free underground. Like who the fuck is going to come and, A, find you, but B, even if they do find you, what are they going to do? Start filling in the hole? And it's so safe?

It's very safe. I think like tornadoes aren't going to get you. Nope. Monsters. They're under beds and in closets. They're not in... As long as you don't have any beds or closets in the space below. And anyway, honestly, it would be a pain getting a bed underground.

You'd have to figure something out. Is it alligator that was under the bed that one time or a crocodile? You know that classic kid's story where there's like, there's a monster in my closet? And then there's another one where it's like, there's an alligator under my bed. I don't remember that. What?

Hmm. I remember reading a book series called Hugley, and he was like a little ugly green monster. And he hit under a bed. And, God, what a series. What a great book. Does this not ring a bell to you? Any of those images?

There's an alligator under my own. Oh, yes. Yes, yes. Right? Dude, do you remember the era? Show the cover for that book real quick on screen. Do you remember the era where, like, that was the art style for kids' books? And it was in the monster in my closet's another one.

Yeah, very specific. Same with a, dude, you know what kid's book I had that my mom would read to me, but it always made me uncomfortable as a kid just because I was embarrassed by my mom because she would start crying every time she read it was the pegging tree my dad read me that one

and that made him cry as well look at that, that's such a specific style that I don't ever see anymore I just showed him the monster in the closet cover art he didn't show me the real monster in the closet though they made a live action and it terrified me as a kid really? Yeah well what was the

what was the book That made my mom cry. I'll love you forever. It had a kid on the cover. And he's like flushing keys and jewelry down the toilet. It is very touching. I'm sure if I read it now, I'd probably tear up too. You know what I'm talking about?

No. The ones that made me cry, though, there's one about like, there's one that's just like, because I just remember I hated the feeling of being lost or whatever. So like, do you know my mommy? Always made me kind of sad throughout. Dude.

Even though, like, it has a, like decent ending decent ending like we're talking like it's a fucking novel like you know it's themes

you know were kind of up and down I couldn't really tell what they were going for I found it I love you forever I don't remember that dude

Luke show this one I love you forever this book is is genuinely touching it made my sweet mother cry every time she read it to me you know

this would make her cry out of fear the live action monster in your closet that she probably would become mute show that

picture, Luke. My mom would probably become deaf, dumb, and mute, just from seeing that. Especially back to back, such like a, just like one, sadness, and then straight despair, fear. Yeah.

That book is like, it's about a, it's, it's like shows just this kid growing up and it's from the mom's perspective and how she's like annoyed. It's like the kid may do all these things like flush her keys down the toilet, but

she promises she'll love you forever and then like he grows up and then at the end she's like a super old lady and he's like cradling her and it's him saying i do remember the theme of like maybe i remember this book like like like i feel like i must have been read it like a few times as a kid because that does sound very familiar it's it's a very famous kid's book i think and it's also the number one that just made me like sad because it was just like i don't even remember the i actually don't remember the plot. I kind of remember Lucy. I don't remember how it ends though. The giving tree. And I feel like it, I know it's sad, but I feel like it would make me cry right now. The tree gave him all he had until it was just a stump. I think that's essentially, and then he sits on it as an old man

as a stump or some shit. Anything about like the passage of time like that, it makes me want to cry. Not out of like, uh, like sorrow for lost days or like getting older, but just like something about like, it's like an nostalgia thing. I don't know. I can't explain it. I'm stupid. I shouldn't have even brought it off. That's the last, I think, panel of the story.

And the boy did. That'd be a cool tattoo. And the boy did. Dude, Shell Silverstein? Fantastic poet and author and illustrator. Sheldon Meyer. Well, he just goes by. Okay.

Just in case people aren't friendly with the man like you are. Okay. Sheldon Meyer Silverstein. Um, have you ever, have you ever seen what he looks like? Scary, dude. He looks like, speaking of monsters under the bed. He looks like he's having a manic episode in the picture that's always in those books.

Yeah. Isn't he like, isn't he like, he has no shoes on? Because I think he's like waiting through some like, the ocean, like the very shallows. And he's like, he's like, he's like six ten. And he's like, and he has just that scary beard. And like, yeah, I think, yes. That was definitely like, not who I was expecting. You expect like a Mr. Rogers or like a Steve from Blues Clues types.

writing kids, well, not Lemony Snicket. Or R. L. Stein. Well, I don't even know what, Lemony Snicket. because he's not real. Luke, show Shell Silver, the scary picture. Luke, throw that up. Luke, put it up. It's just, it's the last picture we'll have you show, I promise.

I'm Googling Lemony Snicket in real life. Yeah, I forgot his name. He writes adult books now. Not adult as in, like, erotic. He writes, like, books for adults. It's not what I imagine. That's him? That's Lemony Snicket.

Okay, Luke, I go back on my promise about showing one more picture. You got to show Lemony Snicket. It's the last picture. We'll have you show, I promised. Dude, I feel like he's playing with us because he already made this alter ego and he's like, let me just find this goofy looking guy and say that's me. Here's another good one. Why is he hugging that?

I think he's doing like a funny photo shoot. Oh, he's being silly. You got to show the silly one. I'm sorry. Just one silly. Come on, a silly one. Just one, but just not do a silly one. Come on. Dude, I bet taking photos of Michael Jackson.

back in the day had to be awesome because you know you're going to take like the cool pose and you know he's always the first to suggest now let's do a silly one and I bet he would do some some something silly like he'd give you bunny ears or he'd stick his tongue out and cross his eyes you know or pull his nose off for the photo or something do a peewee Herman go like stop motion well do you remember when we watched the Michael Jackson documentary he he to the I don't remember I think it was the paparazzi but he does that scary face for a moment. And remember how scary that was? Where he's like, he does it at the cameras.

I don't remember. He's like playing it's not coming to me. He's not in my, I can't imagine it in my face. He's playing with the people, like, there's cameramen and he's like teasing them like playfully, not sexually. No, he's not going. I too much, come over, come here.

That'd be a million dollar photo. Just like Michael Jackson, like, he was I thought, I thought these were tinted. Oh, Martin. Oh. I'm so embarrassed Drive drive drive Oh fuck dude

He's in the back of the car And he's so he's rich He's so used to windows being titted So he's like just fucking with the paparazzi Pretending to like suck a dick and everything Martin what do you Or like He said it

Well first he said his own name Because he was confused And then he goes Michael what What are you doing That's gonna be all over the tabloids They can't see me Wait these aren't tinted

Drive drive Oh shit Oh, I put my clothes on, Martin. We got to switch places. He leans forward and like pushes the leg of the driver down for the gas. He makes, he makes Martin like switch. He falls in the front of his legs. Start going, oh, oh.

With those like classic moonwalk shoes on. And he makes Martin switch clothes with him. So when they get out of the car, everyone thinks it was Martin that was doing the gesture. Jesus. Fucking Christ. That was the ghost of Michael Jackson saying he's very unhappy with this bit we're doing. I got ad reads. I need to calm down.

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was there was a level ruler a three foot 36 inches by the way yeah I just got that one 36 inches three foot 36 inches and metric the conversion for that is I don't give a fuck and it was propped up on the thing and I guess it just fell down because was it because we were like bouncing around pretending to be like Martin or Michael Jackson freaking out

I think it's because the earth's constantly rotating. And it's rotating and it's just shifted. It's being spun around the sun. Yeah. So I'm sure something like that. Plus things just fall sometimes. Things have like a limit. Like even stuff that's

like been secured for days like sitting up against a wall sometimes it'll just isn't that weird? Like does that mean the whole time it is slowly slowly slowly losing traction? Like it's just Is everything around us slowly doing that? Like it like anything

that's not on a perfectly level surface at a very small level is it slowly sliding and if left long enough no that doesn't make sense no maybe it does no no no no no I'm stupid I shouldn't have said anything we only get we only get to the solution by pondering

all the problems you know a wise man once told me there's no such thing as stupid questions only stupid answers I think that's beautiful It dares you to ask Well that sucks because the students that then are like the teachers asking them a question

They give an answer It's like no That was stupid Because it was wrong right You know it was a wrong answer Well I think especially in math There's not really so a lot of wiggle room In English or history you could probably argue in like

You're like well technically You know who really won Like if we're talking about like a military victory sure But what about a moral victory collectively You know you can always always kind of circumvent a wrong answer, I feel, if you can over-explain yourself. But math or science? Well, science as well.

I mean, scientific experiments. Fuck science. I hate science. Dude, it's funny. Yeah, math is the one out of like literally every, like, to my knowledge, out of every field that exists, it's the one thing where it's like, no, there's no opinions. That is just, that is what it is. I mean, dude, you know what's absolutely mind-blowing.

I'm going to actually just sound like Joe, it sounds like a Joe Rogan conversation is like the way math, like everything is math. Well, that's why you've heard this. It's a big kind of factor in why people think we live in a simulation is because deduced down, everything is math. Like things follow the same patterns at the grandest scale and the smallest scale. And while I'm speaking to you right now,

it's math. It's the sound waves, the vibration of the air, it's literally math, and it's going through electronics that use math to you, to your brain,

is, your neurons and stuff, is that? I thought there was something with your brain where it is registering things like a computer in that way. It is essentially,

yeah. Which is, I mean, they can't really define the definition of life has, has like not fully agreed upon and it's,

very like loose. They might have to change that in our lifetime. Especially with this AI shenanigans. I know. You know what's weird to me? Viruses aren't alive. They don't consider them living things. Like computer viruses or like viruses?

No, no. Viruses like in your body. Even though they like... Aren't they like some... It's like... They're essentially like... The way they see them from what I understand is because they don't have DNA and because they don't have like...

They don't need to like eat to survive or anything. Their purpose is, they're intelligent, and they spread around and they, you know, like, the ones that look like the, like, diamond with like the thing with the legs that crawls around, that creepy shit, that then it injects its, like RNA or whatever into its. They look like little house centipede. Yeah, they say that's not alive. I feel like if something's a parasite, like a parasitic environment, you know. Well, I guess not everything is a parasite. Yeah, I guess a parasite, because a parasite can, I mean, technically. You've seen those pictures, you get those videos of those.

parasites coming out of them fish and frogs. Dude, no, no, no. I can't. That is one of the things that bothers me most. That, technically, uh, my, was your parents divorce. Ryan, that's obviously, like, when I say it's one of those things that bothers me most,

you, you know that I, we're having discussion about a topic on a podcast. Obviously in real life, my parents' divorce. Because it being my best friend, you know how much I talk about it. You know, you saw what it did to me. You know that that is what bothers me most.

But I'm not going to say that on a podcast. So just, why are you doing this? I was just, look, calm down. You know, 50% plus of all marriages. I'm sorry. It's not a rare, you know. It's, I know it can be hurtful, and I'm sure there's questions in your head, certainly in my head of if you were the fault of the divorce, you know,

if you were the driving force fact, you know, all of that. Wait, the question in your head about it? less questions more like kind of like yeah yeah which way i mean you go off become a star start driving a wedge between your mom and your dad we we give nothing but compliments to your mom of how sexy and fat with a ph she is and nothing with she she'll have your dad what does he get songs about having sex with his son that his co-workers then be like have you seen this not just sex with his son even worse gay sex with his son duff uh I mean,

I don't think, you can't have one without the other. Not necessarily. Going back to math. Going back to science. I'll tell you, like I, there is,

there's not a complete zero percent possibility that, like, they just kept this private. And I was the, like me coming out and becoming a YouTube star is what ruined their marriage. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

Well, see, I, for many years, I, you know, I blame myself for other reasons. And, um... It felt like less of a family, you know. And it ruined, you know, it really, it ruined my life. Their daughter left, ran away from home. They only had you.

Well, we don't need to get into my sister going off and doing the whole, the whole, uh... The whole marriage, well, it was, it was like a paid-for thing. Yeah, it was paid. It was like a set up by the families. Yes. Well, each, it was, it was, funny because each family thought the other family had money. Right.

It would have been, like, in 2002, it would have been a hilarious, like, rom-com thing. But, yeah, she's still over there. And I'm not going to say the country, but she's not coming back. Anyway, there's also a non-zero chance that that was the ghost of Michael Jackson that knocked that thing over. And look, we shut up right quick and we started moving on to other people to torment.

And of all people. And of all people. Dude, yours. Yeah. Exactly. Of all people, every human, like, let's say not everyone gets to become a ghost or a spirit, but of all people that have the likelihood of becoming a spirit, I feel like Michael Jackson has a pretty high one.

Like in the spirit realm, they're not just going to let any Joe Schmo in, but it's like, Michael Jackson died. Let him be a spirit with us. You know, like, well, also the fact that a lot of spirits are still on this earth because there's unresolved things that they haven't dealt with. And you know what? I bet one of the things is his image in the jokes. He can't move on as long as everyone still sees him as the he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-and-sleeping-with-kids guy.

So as soon as we start joking about it, his spirit becomes so restless. It just, I love just the distance between the he-he-he-he. It's like, they know me as the he-he-he-hi-guy. I hate it. Well, they also know you as the guy who allegedly potentially might have. Yeah, I know. Whatever. Yeah.

Yeah. It's like, they know his last half. Gosh, Martin. You know what? What do they know

you as? Nothing. Exactly. The guy who got in a fight with Robert Downey Jr. The guy who forged some documents for the BBC to interview Princess Diana.

Cool. You're a fraud. I mean, Martin Bashir sucks. I mean, yeah, that was a big controversy that came out.

He mad, bro. Dude, Martin Bashir, he does genuinely suck. and I'm not saying that because I'm like, I'm a Michael Jackson fan and what he did to Michael was fucked.

I'm saying that like, if you just look at his like history and as a journalist, he, he, uh, and I don't think he has a lot of journalistic integrity. And also, you know, I'm not a journalist or I feel like I can't really talk about journalistic integrity, but,

I know, Martin Bashir's goofy. At the end of the day, he just sounds funny. He's a goofy guy and he took advantage of Michael Jackson by going to Neverland, letting, having Michael just let him drive around his little bat-bonobiles and everything, and then he cancels him. What kind of friend is that? No friend at all.

No. Not at all. I would never be friends with Martin Bashir. I mean, there's one side of the coin that's Louis Thoreau, and then there's the opposite side of the coin, which is Martin Bashir. Would Louis, like, if Louis Thoreau went to Neverland and did that same documentary, he would have been driving around on those go-carts. He would have let Michael.

No, he wouldn't have started. He wouldn't have even. he would have been there for business. He wouldn't have... You're right. My problem with Martin Bashir is that he played along with Michael and acted as his friend. Louis Thoreau has a very business, you know, separation. He wouldn't have pretended to have been Michael's bestest friend in the whole wide world

to get these sound bites off of him in the last 30 minutes of filming of the documentary. Completely out of context as well. And by the way, Michael didn't have a childhood growing up. And let me tell you something. I'm sure being that famous. is a very lonely experience. So when a man, like Martin Bashir, a man is almost like an Adonis coming down from the gates of heaven,

comes to you and starts hanging out, you're thinking, I think I finally know what it feels like to have a friend in this world. Is this what it feels like? This is friendship. Man. And then what does he do? I thought I could only be friends with kids.

Adults are pretty cool too. Wow. It turns out at the end of the day, it was just because he was so famous. that everyone saw him as just this celebrity. But kids didn't care because they're dumb and they're kids. So that's why he's friends with kids. New theory for the Michael Jackson fans.

Go ahead and just do what you will with it. There's a lot of theories out there. We're just helping the cause. Dude, I love the fake. I love like the, one of my favorite Michael Jackson rabbit holes, there's a big sect of fans that think he's still alive. And there's one specific woman. Her name is Pearl Jr.

and I found her because back in like 2011 or 2010, she had a documentary that was on Netflix that I watched at my friend's house at a sleepover. This is back when Netflix was, give us anything, we'll take anything. And it was called Michael Jackson, alive, question mark. Is it in Argentina, by the way? He's not in Argentina.

Well, at least at the time of that. But I remember the documentary was like so serious and she, I think I might have, I might have mentioned this before on Super Mega, so people might know what I'm talking about, but she was so convinced that he had faked his death. And this is still, I guess, within a reasonable window. I think the faking death thing is stupid even at any point, but I think that, you know, it's only been a year or two since he died.

So it's like, maybe he's, you know, whatever. But I remember she showed this video and it's like a clearly fake video that was going around where it's like a coroner's van. shot from like someone's like filming with a shaky cell phone camera from really far away and then they open the back of the corner van and then like this guy hops out this silhouette that looks like Michael Jackson and he hops out with such like a little Michael Jackson he flair and like adjust his jacket and then walks into the building and they're like there he is see I was literally about I was gonna ask if they had any like big foot type of like look

that's Michael Jackson right there it's like this guy with like long black hair and like sunglasses but it's like taken from us. security camera like airport thing so it's like super low quality and it's like super zoomed in enhance it's Michael even better there's a burn victim

that they believe no way is Michael Jackson in prosthetics does he have the long black hair no and I remember like they were analyzing like at Michael Jackson's funeral they're like zooming in on faces and they're like this is Michael in prosthetics at his own funeral

Like Tom Sawyer Well Tom Sawyer didn't wear prosthetics He was just up in the rafters Watching Then he fell through and embarrassed himself And everyone was like You're not dead And then I think he gets slapped in the face by someone

Maybe like a The girl he likes Yes Yeah Because she was very devastated He died Honestly I wish Michael couldn't have done that

Because it was an outdoor funeral From what I remember Imagine him crashing through The rafters He's in like that bright red jacket He has the glove on He has the fucking gold tassels on it

Dude What? Boo He Who Each guy's played off As he's like The ghost of him

It's like No he felt He thinks he's moving But he's just moonwalking a place Ah shit And it just runs out Dude But because it was outdoors

Maybe like Michael's idea of doing that Was like We'll go up in the hot air balloon We'll watch from above So it's like this funeral and then like just this grand majestic hot air balloon just like hovering right above and then

and many step for real or even better just oh my god it's so sad oh a flock of burp what up the hot air balloon pops and it does the fucking like when you let go over and play to balloon

that was like 50 great tropes in one Has anyone ever done that visual gag where like a hot air balloon deflates the same way like if you let go of a balloon and it flies around the room? Because that's really genius. Well, we should do it. Practically. Like Christopher Nolan would. No, we're not using CG for this. We're going to, no.

We've developed technology that will allow the hot air balloon to explode and zoom around at about 600 miles per hour and instantly change direction. I mean, speaking of, I mean, just real quick, I, wait, we showed a picture of me with. the horse in the last podcast. Yeah. I was going to say it's actually in the movie and it's actually pretty cool. The hot air balloon? The horse. The Trojan horse.

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Follow Funny You Ask with Ike Barronholtz on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to podcasts. You like that? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, good. Welcome back. you guys might be actually wondering what the F is up with the set what's going on Why are there

Well they probably for them It's like oh another day Of course it's the supermarket office There's trash everywhere They're just This is how they decided To decorate the set this time No well dude actually

You know what's funny Is uh Because every single podcast episode We put it We change something out like the centerpiece Like we'll put like I don't know a fucking family guy DVD or a basketball A basketball

And sometimes we'll put Something where it's just like a piece of trash just by itself And I think and like it's funny to us But then I'm thinking to myself I'm like Probably to the majority of people They think we just have a messy set Well I'm now

Yeah in hindsight you can say it's not messy But like this room has been No pretty But on camera Oh on camera It's actually what's insane about this set that we're on and it always astonished

there were two things that astonished guests when they would come in and see the first was how small this room actually is because it looks like the set actually looks pretty fucking sizable it looks like a big set

on camera I think but then when you you know that's the magic of Hollywood those are the special lenses Tucker has I'm not and I'm not talking about the x-ray goggles he got oh he didn't I'll tell you later

is that he was wearing at the beach that one time. I thought they were like weird goggly sunglasses or something. Like I thought, you know, it's Tucker. He's going to find some old. You know what? He didn't tell me about the x-ray thing until like a week later and I'd never connected the dots there.

So yeah, they were the same glasses. He also had it the whole time at the shoot that we did. Well, it's weird because when I hung out with him recently, he didn't wear him. So. But basically this room is very It's small and also Would be extraordinarily cluttered and we would manage to perfectly have the clutter Like stop right where the camera cuts off

So it's like the room looks like an insane wreck But then on camera it would look pristine Yeah besides the NutraGrain bar wrappers or the cans of monster in Celsius We leave for several episodes in a row I should not say pristine because we would have a lot of energy drink cans It's set dressing. It's part of our vibe. Yes.

Exactly. Which is authentic. Which is being in our 30s and not being able to throw away our own garbage. Oh, can of monster from four episodes ago. Let me take a sip thinking it's this one from this episode. Oh, man. Well, Matt just got us a new toy, a can crusher that's now mounted on the wall. So whenever we're recycling cans, it doesn't fill up as quickly.

And there's a bit of fun added to it, which is always something that we need in this office. It's a bit of fun. What's always something we need in mind? You know, whimsy. Honestly, guys, I'm not even going to lie. This is going to be one of the truest things I'm ever going to say. Any way possible that you can add fun or whimsy to something, every aspect of your life, if you sprinkle fun in there, it's going to make your life better. We have cans all over the place, and it's depressing, and it's overwhelming, and it's trash.

And you'd think, oh, you could just throw them away right after taking the last sip. Yeah, that's not fucking satisfying. That's only if we're able to take the last sip. A lot of them are still half filled. Yeah, we're a can-half-full type of company. So that's why we got a can crusher. Mounted it to the wall. It's got a big fucking, like...

It gets me excited when I'm getting done with my drink. I'm like, I get to crush the can soon. 32-year-old man. I saw... Well, I put it up last night. So today's the first day it's been, like, debuted. But we've really been cracking into it. I've done like three cans just today.

I was greedy last night. I have to admit. You did all the can. hands without you didn't leave any for me I didn't think of it that way at the time though I wasn't like I'm gonna like I was I was I was I was here a little later and I got a second wind of energy and we're working on some kind of you know make it make it super mega I'm not gonna get into it but basically I wanted to clean the office a little bit and there's some I saw a couple can't sitting around I just put this thing on the wall I'm here by myself what am I supposed to do Ryan

I had to test it you could have stacked them into the letter R. And I'd have been like, whoa! And then I'd have like... There weren't enough cans for that. I crushed four, three or four. Also, creating that diagonal. I would have to, I would have to lay them out on the floor and you'd have to look at it from...

You'd have to glue them together, I think. That's how, you know... Think about, you know, they're circular still. If you lay them flat, I could do the letter R and you could look at it from, from, above bird's eye right yeah and that takes less cans because they're they're wider if you look at them from when people stack cards they don't just like make them into a design on the floor that you know it's impressive because the stacking and the balancing creates a little bit of like oh my god they did that i disagree in real life and i think that that stacking cards on the floor and laying them out

to make a cool looking house of cards is just as valid as it would look cool design wise i'm not taking away the artistic integrity of the piece, but I'm just saying I think it's a little more impressive when balancing comes into play. I mean, my hips are bad. I don't have great balance. I don't know how your balance is. We should do a, we should do a gymnastics course and have a grade kind of a, we get graded on how, how well we do, because I used to take gymnastics back in the day. You did? Little old Ryan, little old toddler Ryan. I guess toddler. Yeah. Honestly, I was like yay big. It's funny you say that because that's a kid.

That's not a toddler anymore. No, no, no, no. That seems tall without the kid as a reference, but if you actually fully picture, that is a toddler. Okay. Toddler-esque. It's within that. In between of toddler and pre-teen.

No. No, no, no. There's a, that's a child. So it goes, okay, okay, what's the graph? It goes, infant. Newborn. Newborn. Infant, like newborn, infant.

Toddler? Toddler? Yeah. Child. Child. Kid. Preteen. Oh, well, child and kid are the... Child sounds younger than kid.

They're the same thing. They're synonyms. I know, but like, I guess in the chart of things. Like, because, like, what... So, I think of a kid as younger than a child. It goes from toddler to preteen like that? Or, sorry, toddler to child to preteen. Yeah.

So child is... What does a preteen start? Is it... I would say, in my mind preteen is 10 to 12. Oh, okay. 10. 13 is,

yeah. 13 is teen. But kind of still 13 feels preteen, I would say. You're probably a child up until three and then after, you know, you got four. I'm even four. Child until three. Because five-year-olds are pretty, like, they're like this big, right? You mean toddler?

Huh? You're a child until you're three? No, you're a toddler until you're three. Okay. That's when you turn into a child at four or five or something. Three is, three is toddler. were toddler caps. Because,

because, I mean, a toddler is born about a year after being an infant. Because a lot of, like, the moment you walk, I think is your transition to toddler. I mean,

the moment you can walk on your own. Because you're toddling. Is that really what is it? I didn't even know, toddling is just waddling. Yeah, and you're toddling. You're a waddler.

That's why you're called, that's why literally why they're called toddlers. Like teeter totter? So then maybe, maybe then child or kid or whatever, whatever that phase is starts once you stop toddling and you start walking. Why, they should call them walkers then.

Yeah. Standers. Walkers. There's walkers in the woods. Let me tell you something. Tell you something. Carl! But what do you, what do you,

give me your, let me see how much I agree with it. Give me your like, laid all out. Newborn. From to death. It's like, newborn, I would say, give it a week or two weeks. to be a newborn or a week, you know, the first week of like being born. And then you're an infant after that up until you can walk on your own without support.

That's when you turn into a toddler. Usually that's around one and some change, right? Really? I actually, just because I've never had kids and, you know, legally not allowed to be around them, I basically don't know what the different, like, I don't know. know when things start like i don't know when the first words are i don't know when they toddle uh first words in terms of like they they'll they'll start to say things i'm trying to go because my friend just had a kid and it she only a year old at this point and wasn't talking at five months it wasn't

saying anything at five months no you're so but when i visited last which was a little over a year old like has stuff where I was saying Todd which is the name of the cat but not like clearly it was like

and the parent would be like oh that's what she's saying and I'm like or what if it's because the kid is so eager to start toddling

saying Todd wants to tod wants to tod yeah true a cat named Todd a cat name Todd a cat name

oh dude that wasn't a pet name Steve marketplace reference I was just sure about that Todd is a funny name for a cat

it's a great name for a cat it's a very name for a cat It's like Todd is one of those names that just like it does not, to me it does not suit a cat at all, which makes it great. So, but like I feel like a, like to talk and like actually have a conversation, that's not going to happen anytime soon. But like to start saying phrases might be happening at year two. I should ask my sister because I don't know more. know if we're not parents obviously sad we're just uncles yeah uh this is i i don't know if i've officially talked about this did i talk about this on podcast yet i mean you have friends who have kids

no no but but my um but my sister oh how you had to artificially inseminate just to make sure that well i don't want to get into that stuff but my sister did just have a baby uh What a way to lead that in. I hope he sees this one day. And then he'll know the truth. Call me. We got a lot to talk about. But basically, yeah, my sister just had her first kid.

And I'm officially an uncle. I'm onk. I'm officially onk. Unk status. And the kid is, the kid is very cute. I need to ask them. There's something that's very funny about the name. but I need to ask them first if I'm allowed to say that.

I don't want to docks a newborn baby. Yeah. You know, as funny as that would be, it'd be like, doxing from a baby. But, yeah, so I'm very curious now what the process is going to be like, because they send me pictures a lot of just. A lot of people have kids that watch us too. Yeah, go take care of your kids, guys.

Yeah. Some say the kids watch, which is not. That's crazy. We're not appropriate. Like, because if they hear something and all of a sudden a vocal stem starts coming up of like a curse word or something volatile and crass, no good. Like you literally just, you, you gave me the floor by leading this story in with me, you know, how my, how my nephew was conceived. So if a kid were to go repeat that at four years old to the parent, you know.

The term artificial insemination. It's like a parrot. If you play that, if you play it enough. Could you get a parrot to say anything? Probably. Parrots are smart. Scare me. Imagine like you go to a rescue and you don't know it at the time, but you buy a parrot owned by like a Klansman.

That has happened. There are parrots that I've read about this. There's parrots that have been owned by really bad people that then when the person dies or whatever, the parrot is saying awful things. And they have to like basically train it. Like, it's because, like, the parrot doesn't know what it's saying. No. It's doing its best. I mean, birds are, some birds are smart.

Some birds are smarter than others. On like crows and ravens. Yeah, crows are super smart dodo. I like how dodo is like a term for an idiot, but it's like, well, they were pretty stupid if they allowed themselves to go extinct. Yeah, if they, I mean, again, exactly. They were the ones who allowed themselves to be hunted to extinction. We've talked about this before That's actually a lot of species

And it's very sad whenever you see the story Because the story is They hunt and hunt and hunt Because there's too many Because there's such an abundance of them Yeah And then before they know it There's like

Oh where are they? Like it's not like maybe we should It's just kind of like Hmm They must have migrated Where'd they go No you just killed all of them off They'll be back next season

Right Well they better we eat them There is this one bird Let me look it up. Big bird. Extinct American Lion. What?

Wait. Hold on. The American lion was a cat. One of the biggest cats to ever exist, by the way. Holy shit. You're right. It's huge, dude. The American lion.

That thing is huge. It might be the biggest big cat. From North, lived in North America during the Ice Age. Wow. Wait. What's? Were you looking at the comparison chart? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Terrifying. I mean, we already talked about cave bears or just prehistoric, or not prehist, but bears of the early age, horrifyingly ginormous. They could run. Also, sloths? The size of bears. The early bears looked like sloth bear creatures that were. They're monsters.

The American lion was the biggest cat to ever exist, 25% larger than modern. You know why I know that? because I watched one of those videos back in the day that was just like all big cats that went extinct. It was either one of those videos or just kind of like the biggest cats to ever exist, the biggest whatever. And the American Lion was that.

And I'm glad to know that the video wasn't lying to me. And I could actually, you know, be like, yes, I heard that somewhere on a YouTube video and it's right. I'm still stunned about the size of that, of the Titanic. Which I only recently found out existed because... How thick was it? It was literally like...

The pictures I saw, like, it could eat a car essentially. Horrifying. And like the pictures were like, it was literally leaping in the air with a hippo and it's... Like, they have like life-sized models of it. Was early man around when that was around? No, no, no. What were the scariest things that man witnessed and just came across? You know, like a cave bear, the American lion?

Sabretooth? Sabretooth. Because have you seen the way saber tooth would bite a primate? Uh-uh. They do it. So the teeth come from the back right into the eye socket? Yeah, basically. Oh, shit.

Or that's all the diagrams I've seen. I don't know. But basically, honestly, probably the scariest at the time, though, would have been other primates. Like whatever guerrillas were back then. Like, like, what do gorillas come from? And wait, what do we? If, if man come from monkey. Like, what are the guerrillas ancestors?

We all come, like, so, like, dude, if you get on the primate rabbit hole, or should I say the monkey hole, it's really interesting how many different, like, primates have existed. And now we kind of just have solidified this group, but dude, that beast-wise. walking around, like the orcs of humankind? Dude, look up Homo Habelis. Homo habilis. I don't know how you spell it. It should come up, though. That's a... Oh, these guys are... Let me see.

The like, the, like, Geico Caveman types. No, that's not what I'm thinking. There's, there's a picture. I saw a picture of an extinct primate that literally looked terrifying. By the way, the bird I was thinking of as the passenger pigeon, was a North American bird once numbering in the billions,

famous for massive migration flocks that darkened the skies for days because they had so many of them in the sky and we killed them to extinction. Listen to, uh, let's see. Dude, gigantapithecus is pretty sick. Every time I look at it, it's Bigfoot. I just always forget the Bigfoot.

Like this thing was roaming around. Bigfoot was real, which is what's crazy. So was the Lochness monster. Well, yes. I mean, there's always been, some, like, whatever crypted monster you can imagine besides probably some Chupacabra. Like, besides some crazy, creepy humanoid with forearms.

Like, it probably existed. Mothman used to scare me. I never understood exactly what it was. So did Bop. Because there's so many different depictions. It's like, is it a guy dressed up as a moth? Is it a guy that is a moth? I remember, um...

What gives? Homo habilis is not the one I'm thinking of, dude. It's one of the homos. Yeah. how many homos? How many homos were there in all of existence, you think? Dude, there's been a lot of different types of homos. Since the dawn of time, homos have been around. I mean, we're homos. Well, not since the dawn of time. Homos are very recent.

Since the dawn of civilization, well, I guess homos created civilization. Since before civilization, homos had been around. Dude, Homo rudolphinsis is kind of freaky looking. I don't like the way... Roodal? Look at this. Luke, show Homo Rudolf Fences. It's the last picture we'll have you show, I promise. Look the way he's looking at the camera. He's like he looks like you're doing something that you shouldn't be doing.

You shouldn't be doing. And he knows that you know you shouldn't be doing that. Scary ape. I'm just typing in the pictures. That sounds like a game development studio. Dude, imagine this staring at you like that. And that's a currently alive monkey. Yeah.

That's a mandrel or baboon? It's like a one. Yeah. Manchal and baboons are just mean looking Well, I think they're pretty mean too Like they got those teeth dude They're on that alpha shit Especially the ones that are like this

Oh dude where they're screaming When the ones with the red faces that scream And they have the big puffed out like They have just big old fangs and shit They're canines or whatever Teeth those are the big The sharp ones For us there are canines

I'm guessing they would just be the same thing for them Unless they're called something different No they're pretty because they're primates It's the same Okay It is pretty crazy, though, how like, just, and I'm sorry to offend anyone by saying this, but I am going to talk about evolution. It's crazy. It's so cool how evolution can literally take like one little, like, like, we just some, like one-celled things and then turn it into all this.

Sorry, it's crazy how God can do that. We left it still. Yeah, the guys, the audio listeners that pause. You might have interpreted it as as a pause in awe of God and His Majesty. But in reality, Ryan noticed that the set piece between us, the Macintosh Plus that has the screensaver playing had reached the end of the video. It's only 39 minutes long. That was my bad. It's been going like that for near 20 minutes.

That was my bad. I messed up before the first episode of the podcast. You know why I made it that length? because I had to transfer it viairdrop, and I was like, well, I got to keep it, I can't make it an hour. It should be two hours long. You know how easy it would be for me just to fix that

and then just re-upload it on there? Yeah, but that's a lot of work, so. That's for solo work time. That's for solo work time. Not for Matt and Ryan time. No. We like having fun, goofing and gaffing. Solo work time is for me crushing cans

and re-exporting videos of the Super Mega logo rotating, then air dropping it. And I like to go on the roof with binoculars. Well, you... And report people for doing scandalous things. Well, I mean, I do give you a pass for that, and I consider it super mega-related work because this is our place of business.

And the last thing I want are people doing nefarious or scandalous activities nearby because that could inhibit our ability to work. I'm just reporting like, two-hour parking violators on the side of the road. No, for real. Hey, 911. Yeah, uh,

you're, you're gonna want to see this. No, you have to stop calling. Dude, do people, I wonder what it's like being a 911 one operator because I'm sure that, I mean,

that's, that's a tough job. And I'm sure that it's very emotionally heavy. Somebody has pissed me off because of the urgency that they do not present. It's crazy. Some people should not have that job. And again,

they get mad at people freaking out. Well, yeah well there is a line i know i know i know i do understand sorry that um remaining calm helps you know ask for the information whatever i'm not saying remaining calm in a hectic situation i'm saying like the like what ambivalence or the the the the lack of care towards a person that's obviously like in a very life or death situation or has just walked home and now there's like their husband's brinked brains are blown out and their kids are sliced up on the floor.

You know, it's like, oh, my guy, it's like, ma'am, calm down. I can't understand you. It's like, well, I mean. Like, like, I, I do understand that their job as an operator, first and foremost, is to gather information so authorities can assist them. It's like they need to know where you are, if you're okay, et cetera. So I understand the no bullshit angle of like, I need to know, blah, but also some of them have an attitude with it that I've seen where they're like, uh,

get upset of them for swearing. And it's like, okay, yeah, but this person's dealing with like the most traumatic moment of their life right now. Like, they're freaking out. Can we keep the language? I mean, this is going to be used for a Netflix documentary, hopefully. And I want to be able to make sure I make the cut. What?

Hi, Mom. Yeah, I've seen some videos. There are some like true crime case videos I've watched where the 911 operator, I just, like, couldn't believe it. And I go to the comments and all the comments are about it. Or it's like, if you're, if you're, if you're going to keep being rude, I'm not going to, there should be people skill type shit. They're going to, I have a feeling they're going to maybe even 10 years from now.

AI. It's going to be AI. Hello. Sorry, I couldn't understand you. Could you repeat that? And then they're screaming. He's like, so. Sorry, I couldn't understand.

I hate that when talking to like a robot on the phone. I didn't get that. Could you repeat that? and then like I start talking and then there's a silence so I start talking and then it's like and we start interrupting each other and there's this delay it's like a discord call or doing like a podcast with a discord call dude I hate that so much I hate I do a lot of phone calls with um wearing wearing AirPods and there's not really like there's not really significant delay but a delay exists because it's Bluetooth yeah and there's also a delay on the phone so I'll be on

the phone, the worst is when I'm in the car and I have my phone connected to my like just Bluetooth and I'm talking out loud it's constantly like I will start talking and then they will start talking at the same time and then we'll both stop and then both start

and I'm like I'm sorry there's a delay. It's like humans have this specific internal clock to try to register when the appropriate amount of space is for them to interject in the conversation or try to get something in and so I guess when that's thrown slightly awry by like 0.5 seconds to a second.

Yeah. What is it that like cause? Cause like do we just each have our innate internal like and then we start talking like amounted like a beat? Like do we like having beats between? I think like or is there, sorry, is there a specific time that just our brain registers as non-awkward to where we butt in? Yeah. I think I think it's a because like the whole reason. awkwardness even exists is because it was from from what I understand I could be wrong

survival thing yeah it's a survival thing because you we evolved it because if you're awkward or outcasted by the group that does not lead to survival so being well liked and and not being awkward leads to better things so your brain doesn't want to be awkward so I think just since you're a kid having conversations since as long as you can remember your brain develops a pattern of knowing just how much time is right or what feels normal because it knows like pattern recognition it knows what feels right in a conversation so when that variable is like shifted ever so slightly ever so slightly yeah but that's the thing is because it's not the same as a normal conversation so because there is something changing it so your brain

notices that because it is different you ever talk to someone that has like a cadence where they pause in like really a little too long sometimes. Hmm, I just think that. Elon does that pisses me off. Well, he's, it's because he's got such a big brain he's thinking about. It's because he's thinking exactly what he wants to say next. That's why he only says intelligent things. I just like, if you are an outsider without any bias going in and watching that most

recent interview that he did with the economist. I don't see, and I know I'm saying this as someone who has a bias, but it seems to me if I can take myself out of the situation and just watch the interview as if I was watching it at school. Like, it just, he looks so pathetic and whiny. And he's like, actually, technically people, uh, more people dislike you didn't mean. And then like he, and like that could have been the end of it, but then you can tell that he like, he repeats it throughout.

He thinks he's like he reiterates it. and he thinks of another. He's like, actually, and that's, that's the thing is, he's, like,

he's obviously not, like, whether some, whether you're a supporter of, and you like Elon or you don't, I think objectively, he is a pretty hated person for obvious reasons. Yeah.

So even if you're a fanboy of Elon, you still have to be able to be like, like, yeah, you and all your friends and your people on Twitter might like him, but like in the real world, I think a lot of people hate him. Or just are, probably most people are just in,

different. Well, maybe just because of the rise of how, or the, yeah, the increased, uh, negativity and popularity of the political space. Yeah. And since he's positioning himself in that stuff a lot more. The smartest thing you ever did. Maybe more people do know, not know about them, but have an actual opinion about them than are indifferent.

Just indifferent. It's just like, oh, I know that name. Mm-hmm. but like he the smart thing like you could tell it really struck a nerve oh he was he could not let that go because he also like I don't think people hate me he struggles with uh losers hate me he's like he's very socially unaware and like he does the thing where it's like he's trying to imitate uh normal speaking stuff and I know a lot of people say well he's autistic yes but also like aside from that it's very clear that he wants to be liked

and he's he wears it on his sleeve and he's very, very bad at hiding when something bothers him. But he does it in a way where it looks like he thinks that he's like, oh yeah, they bought that. Owned, like, you know, he, he is very

self-congratulatory in how in his like facial expressions after he says. So like he's, you can tell that he, which is the, audience for like he'll say uh what when he who did he tell to go fuck themselves on stage go fuck yourself to my was it microsoft i can't remember but he's like uh go fuck yourself and then he hears people crowned he's like yeah go fuck yourself and he gets like more like kind of it makes

sense to me where it's like with Elon and trump even i know my bias is showing but it's hard for me to come to the conclusion that these are like mature adult people acting this way. Like it's hard for me to like, I don't know, we've talked about this before. Like growing up, you'd think that businessmen and politicians are like mature and have it together and blah, blah, blah, blah. Even like, dude, that's the thing too. Take politics out of it, like completely. Acting and reacting the way that these people do is immature and like not. Yeah, well, I was about to say that just.

It makes a lot more sense if you just kind of turn them into like a kid in your head. It's like, oh, this speech now makes more sense. And they're kind of like, it's this developmental thing where I think a lot of sociopaths, since they're very self-involved, and since kids don't really, empathy, of course, can be taught at a young age, but I think it's not truly understood. Like, think about how terrible kids are in middle school or elementary school to each other, just in general. There's this kind of like maturity that doesn't occur with sociopaths,

which would be important for like empathy, for them to be able to recognize what they're doing is wrong. Because it has to do with feeling empathy for others that creates that mature, that maturation. Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Where sociopaths aren't going to have that because they don't feel empathy. And look, I truly believe these, most of the people in high positions are

sociopaths just because the system is designed for sociopaths to skyrocket. If you're okay with fucking over like your business partner, if you're okay with screwing the little man over and you're climbed to the top, those like to me are like, aren't necessarily like, you're a sociopath, but it's signs of sociopathy at least. Yeah, well, because I think for the reason also sociopaths exist so strongly as such prominent people in every aspect of every industry is because to get to the top, you have to do the things that I think a person with empathy would stop at and go, you know, it's not worth it.

Yeah. I'm not going to hurt that person. But they won't because ultimately everything is like self-serving. It's about me. It's about first, typically it's, I guess it's always about people's perception of you, but I feel like the goal for a lot of these people is money. Right. And then when too much money is a thing, the next step, and we've talked about this before, is like what happens when you have more money in the world than you can handle or deal with or even think about spending? Power is the next step. So they just start like Elon. The thing is, like, I feel like millionaires and billionaires were a lot more like kind of insidious about the way they went about it, where they were like not secretive, but they were like more underhanded and they were like scheming in the background.

around. And now it's, it's, because of the political climate and like negativity is wonderful and people love to complain and create little communities filled with frothing at the mouth and hating people, you know? Also,

I think that, um, a big part of it too is what you just said was like when, when money is like kind of, when you have all the money in the world and the next thing is, is power. I think that now in like a relatively newer with social media, you know, like clout and in online presence like two, what was that? It's a billionaire. Michael Jackson was a billionaire. Yeah, Drew. It's his ghost again. He's like, stop, stop, stop. You're really clowning on us. Stop. Come on. Let me. Let me rest. My state needs to rest. Let me rest. Please.

I was going to say that they, like, we heard a. sound by the way. Yeah, it was a sound behind like a cracking sound. Attention. Like, fame and stuff. Like, that is connected to power. So, like, not being secretive anymore and being openly inflammatory and stuff. You get all that attention.

You get all that. I hate how it's cranked up to 10. Like, you know, like, you got the chud, the builders, the, I can't remember this dude's name. There's something. I can't remember. I maybe bleep that out, but it's like his username. Gypsy Rose.

She killed her mom. No, well, I mean, I guess, technically in a sense, but it's just a lot of, I just look at the landscape of like live streaming, even on Twitch and of course on kick and stuff. And it's just the people I remember when I was young being propped up, some of them were problematic, looking back, of course. But there was kind of like a nice, you know, some of them are problematic, but most of them were just having fun, whatever. I feel like a lot of the people that are really popular these days are, and I'm talking like the top of the tops are just awful fucking human beings. Are there any major streamers, and I mean like the big, big ones that like aren't inflammatory and problematic? I mean, I'm sure there are and we just don't hear about them because they're not problematic. You could make arguments depending on like size, like, you know, like Maya Higa.

is very unproblematic and very, and she's super popular. I think she got, like, in the past few years, got a really big uptick. Yeah, but she hung up on Jason the wean

when he faced timed her with a llama, and that really pissed me off to disrespect my man Jason like that. But it's like, you know, like, even Jason the ween,

I wouldn't get, because, like, I find him insufferable and annoying and boring and lazy in terms of like, but handsome. He,

maybe, you know, he's doing a bunch of different content, but I, I also don't find the, the live stream the lifestyle or the live streaming thing

and that's not you know not just him but just like the whole collective of live streaming ending up being like about sitting at my computer answering questions about myself like that

sucks to me like I don't I'm not entertained by it so of course that's my personal opinion and people can be entertained by whatever they want I watch live streams from time to time of like people playing games and chilling that I'm not making a judge judgment on that. I guess for me it's just people like it if they're a fan of the person because they like hearing the person talk about themselves but uh I I I create like it's not it's yeah it's to the service of what to me it's always to the service of that person in the moment it's attention towards them it's and also and and and to the people it's a it's a it's like a form of um it's kind of mindless consumption and I mean like I I I to a degree uh glass house

and stones and all that because I know what we do and we stream and answer questions and stuff so I understand but the the what I'm saying is we're different and we're better than them so no but like there there's a point with creativity and like this isn't to pat us on the back but it's just how I grew up with making sketches as yeah same kids and stuff there is that section where you're putting in a lot of work and effort and these days because we're grownups doing it, money into something that you're not getting pads on the like the days of shooting

and the like planning and creating this thing. It's not an instant gratification thing. Yeah. Until you release it but it's like it's a one and done. You know, it's like five minutes of a fun sketch and then people forget about it after the first month. Well, not forget about it, but it's not

gaining views. It doesn't give you the, it's not that explosion of a of a congratulatory like ego feeding praise where sitting on your computer

and reading chat and reading X. And like I it's just culture has just with the rise of technology and everything

became a lot more like instant dopamine TikTok well fine yeah all of it I saw I saw a collection of like these charts where it was

basically It's based on like dopamine where it was like different activities and different things. And it was like the different forms of from like in the past until now of how things have become like consolidated into instant dopamine instead of like doing something with a with a dopamine payoff that's a process. And it was like shocking. I was like, holy fuck. That's all that all makes so much sense. And like so like streaming makes sense. because that type of thing is,

is in terms of entertainment, that's kind of like the final form. I mean, we experience it. Yeah, no, no.

I mean, we press live. We have like anywhere between, you know, thankfully we have a lot of people that support us still. And like we have people like one to two K showing up depending on the live stream and the content we're doing.

And like the names here on screen right now supporting us. Yeah. I mean, and it's really cool to see that when you're live streaming. And I get the infectious nature of it. And I'm not saying everyone has to be the same, and not saying these, and I don't know much about the content creators, but I think ultimately it always comes down to like in my head the money you're receiving. It doesn't have to be a perfect ratio right of it going back into the business, but like the money you're receiving as like if you're a millionaire streamer, can I see that being put into your content? like are you are you just like is it like I don't know like um like even there's

streamers that even there's some streamers that I don't necessarily like but uh I do see that they put effort and money back into what they do and I can respect that yeah and overall like I I don't want to be misconstrued as like just shitting live streamers saw yeah like like like oh and reading chat and answering questions means your your your egotistical. It's not what I mean. I'm just saying how it's like just that instant dopamine hit

where, which there's nothing wrong with that, like small streamers and stuff, do that all the time and there's no shame in that. But you're specifically talking about streamers that become millionaires, they get all of this money and all this stuff and then still just feed that instant dopamine instead of putting it back.

Perfect example is like, I don't know if it's like a meme or whatever, but there's like a, I think, You know, phase Lacey, you got asked a question on stream or something. Like, go? Oh, yeah. He's like, why do you support Trump? And it's like, I support Trump because I support money.

I want to be fucking rich. I want to be. I'm like, if that's your goal. You know, like, everything about him as a person right there. Yeah. Because that shows like. But again, compassion. Is he playing it up for stream?

Is he just, I didn't have the full context of the clip, right? But that's also still the, that is the, that is the projection of yourself. You are putting out in the world to millions of people to get the idea of you, people that are also vulnerable and impressionable to follow you if you have a following. I like that. People like me and I make a lot of money. Like if that's your, if that's who you are creatively, it's just kind of hard for me to have respect for what you're doing. But again, who am I? Right. It's like it's, I'm just sharing my personal opinion. I'm not saying that this should be like put in some sort of like fucking, it shouldn't be like written in stone or should be like a

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