Sword and Scale - Episode 125

Episode Date: October 29, 2018

Chris and Cameron Ervin felt neglected and under-loved. In a life of increasing pressures, they numbed their minds with recreational drugs and shucked all responsibility in spite of being provided every opportunity to lead a successful life. When life seemed like too much they took the one thing that stood in their way...See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Sort and scale contains adult themes and violence and is not intended for all audiences Listener discretion is advised They try to try to shoot us and they put their neck in our mood and They let me tell us we were sleep they tried to attack us. They beat me up, they beat him up, they tried to kill us. Oh yeah, police hurry, police hurry, police hurry, they hit it up, they hit it up, they hit it up. Police hurry, police hurry, police hurry, police hurry, police hurry, police hurry, police hurry, police hurry, police hurry, police hurry, police hurry, police hurry, police hurry, police hurry, police hurry, police hurry, police hurry, police hurry, police hurry, police hurry, police hurry, police hurry, police hurry, police hurry, police hurry, police hurry, police hurry, police hurry, police hurry, police hurry, police hurry, police hurry, police hurry, police hurry, police hurry, police hurry, police hurry, police hurry, police hurry, police hurry, police hurry, police hurry, police hurry, police hurry, police hurry, police hurry, police hurry, police hurry, police hurry, police hurry, police hurry, police hurry, police hurry, police hurry, police hurry, police hurry, police hurry, police hurry, police hurry, police hurry, police hurry, police hurry, police hurry, police hurry, police hurry, police hurry, police hurry, police hurry, police hurry, police hurry, police hurry, police hurry, police hurry, police hurry, police hurry, police hurry, police hurry, police hurry, police hurry, police hurry, police hurry, police hurry, police hurry, police hurry, police hurry, police hurry, police hurry, police hurry, police hurry, police hurry, police hurry, police hurry, police hurry, police hurry, police hurry, police hurry, police hurry, police hurry, police hurry, police hurry, police hurry, police hurry, police hurry, police hurry, police hurry, police hurry, police hurry, police hurry, police hurry, police hurry, police, police hurry, police hurry, police hurry, police hurry, police hurry, police hurry, police hurry, police hurry, police hurry, police hurry, police hurry, police hurry, police hurry, police hurry, police hurry, police hurry, police hurry, police hurry, police hurry, police hurry Welcome to Season 5 episode 125 of Sword and Scale. A show that reveals that the worst monsters are real. Well, if you've been puttering around social media, you'll know that I'm actually on a little bit of a journey right now. I'm going all over the United States and meeting up with a lot of fans from different cities

across the US. It's kind of a new lifestyle and it has been absolutely amazing meeting so many of you. By the time this recording comes out, I will be back in Atlanta for a little while, although we already had our Atlanta meetup. Sorry if you missed it. And funny enough, this story takes place. Right around this area I'm gonna be staying in. Now that's a complete accident. We're actually not that organized. But if you're interested in coming out to a meetup and talking about all these cases and meeting a lot of murder-afficionados such as yourself,

definitely check out our Facebook. And if you're on Patreon, we'll also be announcing dates on there too. I think after Atlanta, I'll be in Birmingham around the beginning of November and then it's off to Memphis and possibly Little Rock after that. So keep your eye on Facebook, on Twitter and on Patreon if you want to find out where we'll be. The meetups are a lot of fun and we're actually raising quite a bit of money for a very, very important charity called And The Backlog. So hope to see you there and stay tuned for this next story. It's gonna blow you away. Spare the rod, spoil the child.

Afraid as we are all familiar with, but can be counterintuitive to our nature. We want our children to have everything we never had, and more. Parents aspire to bring their kids up without hardship, wanting for nothing. We try to teach them responsibility and a good work ethic, hoping they grow into mature adults. Sometimes, however, the other side of human nature takes a hold, fostering greed and entitlement. Millennials are often viewed as entitled, especially those born after the turn of the century. The so-called Generation Z. They are attached to their devices, and arguably, some of them seem to have lost many interpersonal skills.

In reality, though, they are the first generation of kids with schedules and extreme pressure of being successful, in an age where traditional American dreams like home ownership, a good job, and marriage aren't quite as easy to attain as they used to be. They're also constantly connected in the world of perpetual vitriol. The anger and political divisiveness on platforms like Twitter and Facebook are just one of the factors that make it easy for this generation to slip into loneliness, depression, and panic attacks. The societal pressures are real for a whole generation plagued by mass shootings, mental illness, and suicide. Suicide.

Chris and his brother Cameron had been in Gwyneth County detention center for over a year by the time they took a plea deal admitting guilt and throwing themselves on the mercy of the court. Chris speaks to the Gwyneth County Superior Court judge, Ronnie Bacheler, trying to explain himself and asking for leniency. First of all, I'd like to apologize to everybody in this courtroom for asking someone to come

to the young man that everybody here has come to talk about. So I was arrested. Honestly, it was at the lowest point in my life after graduating in high school, increasing drug use to the point, you know, where it became not only something that I felt that I needed to have to cope through my days, but it was also something that hindered me from being my best. Chris was having a hard time with life.

He left West Virginia University and his football scholarship after only a year, switching schools to Valdosta State before running out of money and having two few credits to graduate. He moved back home with his parents and tried to finish college at Georgia State, but ultimately quit that too. It's already been pointed out that, you know, how it was removed from the Air Force, the film and drug test. I was unable to obtain my job back at anybody's press.

It's the same thing. I could obtain my job back at anybody's press, it's the same thing. He couldn't get a job. He also wrecked his car, and he had been drinking and taking Xanax, but the officer did not arrest him. Prior to coming to the next kind of detention center, I refused to admit that I had a problem with drugs and alcohol. During his incarceration, he found a booklet from narcotics anonymous refused to admit that I have a problem with drugs and alcohol.

During his incarceration, he found a booklet from narcotics anonymous with a questionnaire. Am I an addict? 33 questions at the beginning to help you determine whether or not you're an addict. Do you use drugs or alcohol in the morning before you go to sleep? Yes. Have you ever stolen drugs or stolen get drugs? Yes. Have you ever lied to obtained drugs,

prescription drugs? Yes. I've done all those things. Some of the other questions from the pamphlet included, do you feel it is impossible for you to live without drugs? Is your drug use making life at home unhappy? Do you ever question your own sanity? And have you ever used drugs because of emotional pain

or stress? It was said to me in AA and in that the difference between that addict and non-hadi is that a non-addict will change their behaviors to meet their goals. While the addict'll change their behaviors to meet their goals. I'll add it, I'll change their goals to meet their behaviors. And quite frankly, that's what I have been doing for the last four years. Something that would seem to be a no-brainer, give up to drugs. You know, it's easy to say, but it's a lot harder to do when I actually... Chris had apparently been getting deeper into drug use for years, unbeknownst to his parents.

And as close as brothers are, he would introduce Cameron to drug use too. He confessed this to the judge in an attempt to convince him that he had changed. You know, so after deciding, okay, now I have an opportunity to not only, you know, be a weight from bad habits, I had to take it upon myself to use this opportunity in this time away from negative influences to try to better myself and that's when I started going to AA and NA and doing the drug relapse prevention program. And from that, I learned so much about my disease of addiction. And today I'm proud to say that I have 14 months sober. Chris blamed his struggles on his avid drug use, causing him to be someone different than who he really was.

He stated the drugs made him do it. That if he were sober, he would have never done those things. And now that he was sober, he claimed to be a changed man. The man that you hear all these people talking about, that's Christopher when he's sober. The facts, the person described by Miss Hendy and the facts from this case, that's me and my absolute worst. He assured the judge that he was on the right path. And I can tell you, the most important thing to me today is my sobriety, because without that I don't have the forgiveness of my family. I don't have anybody coming to visit me or testify for me, or even my sanity is a requirement now,

for me to stand sober and for me to continue to grow and for me a letter on, we're in a society and be the person that I set out to be when I started college four years ago. And my redeemable, I believe so. He closed his plea for mercy with one last apology to his parents and his brother. You know, once again, I apologize to everybody in here, specifically to my parents and my brother for not conspiring to know that I have problems, not trusting them enough to be able to help me through that and being ashamed to let them know what I was going through. I apologize to my brother for introducing him to drugs

and not being a good influence on him and not living up to the respect that he had given me and the honor that he had given me as his best friend. For a family, both of them, I'm deeply sorry, and I hope they forgive me." Immediately following Chris' statement, his brother Cameron addressed the judge, also with the hopes of having their sentence be as short as possible. I just want to say, first and foremost,

that I'm extremely regretful, or more school, and just overall, sorry beyond explanation for the situation. I'm sorry that all of this had to happen, that my family had to be broken up for this period of time. I'm sorry that I put me and my brother in a position where we're going to be forced to be a weight from those who love us, and the ones that we love for an

extended period of time depending on you." Cameron seemed to follow in his older brother's footsteps, falling into bad behavior. Sometimes, he wouldn't come home, or he would bring a girl over when he wasn't supposed to. The worst behavior is being the theft of cash from his father's dresser, and of course, joining his brother, Chris, in a illicit drug use. Still, he tried to convince the judge that he had seen the error of his ways by recognizing what he had lost. During my time that I have spent in the Guna County

detention center fighting this case, I've spent two birthdays in here. I've had at least one visit a week, which is at least 60 visits with my parents one-on-one. 30 minutes of visit, that's over just a day, two days, spent talking to one another. And I realized how much I loved it, and I realized how much they loved me. And me and my brother are not the same people that

we were we came here I can promise you that we've changed so much for the better we've grown so much for the better today's my birthday like everybody said and I want to be able to go home. I have faith that God is going to work through you, Judge Bessable, but that we're redeeming." As sympathetic as the brothers seemed while they made their statements, Judge Bacheloret was aware of what these two were capable of. They seemed to be different people now, and claimed the influence of drugs caused them to do what they did.

But what they did was really, really quite bad. The brothers were arrested on September 8, 2015, caught red handed inside the home where they attempted to murder two people. One of the victims was able to call 911 during the attack. It's early Saturday morning, before 8am. Ivan Irvin and her husband Zach are doing what most people do on the weekend, sleeping in.

They awoke to a nightmare of two men attacking them in their bed. Those men were Chris and Cameron. They were smothered awake by the brothers, who intended to kill them by any means necessary, using pillows from the home to try to expixiate them. When this didn't work as well or as fast as they hoped, they tried to strangle them with their bare hands. Shoking the life out of them proved too difficult as well. So the pair grabbed plastic bags from the kitchen and wrapped them around their heads. But in the struggle, even that wasn't going to work. Eventually, they resorted to beating them with the butt of a 12-gauge shotgun.

We have a shotgun at a pistol in the house, and I can't find my pistol from a film and they've taken it, and they have these shotguns. So I don't know if they're going to blame on shooting him or not, but please, please hurry. Evon had nearly passed out when wrapped in the plastic bag, and with several blows to the head with the shotgun, she was bloody, and her eyes were beginning to swell shut. Zach, however, was able to fight them and run downstairs in an attempt to get help, distracting the brothers and leaving Evon alone long enough to call 911. She knew they were armed with at least a shotgun and thereafter her husband.

Between panic breaths, she begged police to arrive quickly, afraid for her and her husband's lives. I don't know, I know it's season of the garage. He was screaming, he was trying to blow the horn, just get attention to hopefully our neighbors. Okay. Look please, please, hurry, please. There on the way, ma'am, I need you to like your door. Okay, but they'll probably be able to get in here. Okay, but make sure you like the door, okay? Okay, we'll.

Zach led the attackers away, But they'll probably be able to get in here. OK, but make sure you like the door, OK? OK, we'll. Zach led the attackers away with a plan to make it to the garage and honk the car horn to alert the neighbors. But what Evand didn't know was that when she heard Zach screaming, it was because Cameron had stabbed him in the back, shoulder, neck, and head 10 times with a knife from the kitchen. I didn't know. These are the attacks you guys might be sleeping. They just said, yes, I'm bleeding. They just, I don't know.

They just, I don't know what's going on. I was just saying, you have a man? I'm sorry. I said, I don't know why they've done this. I really don't know. She was scared and most likely in shock. She didn't know where the brothers were, why they were doing this, or even if her husband was still alive. But she did know one thing. My family, I don't know if you know me.

What do you mean that you children are trying to say? Your name is a Crease and Cameron Irvin. What? Crease and Cameron Irvin. 17 and 22 years old. The attackers that came into their room while they slept and tried repeatedly to murder Ivonne and Zach were their own children. Chris and Cameron's plan to kill their parents had gone awry and had become a full-blown melee. If you wouldn't understand why we were so sleepy, but that's why. How you know the panic, because that's what they see it after they started attacking them. That's what they see it.

Okay. Please, please hurry, please. All right, they're on their way, okay? Okay. Would I just be still in the fall with you, man? Sure you can. Let me try and like it. I'll be it on tour.

Yeah. I want you to like your door, OK? They just, I just heard them say, wait, it's Mom. Go. They hit it up. Stay here, man. Oh! Oh! Oh!

Oh! Hello? The puppy is out there, way. Let's go. It's up there, way. Oh! The operator held on the line. Oh! The operator held on the line for five more minutes, listening to the struggle in the background before the line eventually went dead.

But police were already on the way. In the time it took for police to arrive, Iván's legs would be set on fire with barbecue lighter fluid. The brothers were determined to kill them, and were trying everything. Like some hapless characters trapped in TV land, they just couldn't seem to get murder right. Meanwhile downstairs, Zach pulled himself up off the floor and again tried to get into the garage despite his ten gaping stab wounds and profuse blood loss.

He opens the garage door and makes it to the car. But as he starts to honk the horn, the garage door closes, shut by Cameron. Dying and defeated, Zach collapses near the car on the garage floor. As police approached the home, the dispatchers relayed the details. Blind found rising the children tried to strangle them and put Xanax in the food. When police finally arrived at the Forbes Trail home, they immediately took a blood-covered camera and into custody and placed them in the back of a patrol car. His father, Zach, was found collapsed in the garage still next to the car and still

barely alive. There were a series of bloody footprints leading from the large pool of blood on the kitchen floor to the garage where he now lay, bleeding out. Smears of blood marked the walls along the path he took as he struggled to make it to the car. The car door was open and the horn was covered in blood as well. The police continued to clear the home, looking for Chris and Avan. The female upstairs in the head with a rifle multiple times.

No gunshot wound though. Avan was still in her bedroom upstairs. The room she made the 911 call from. Chris was found in a bathroom laying face down on the floor and immediately taken into custody. Besides the gruesome scene in the garage and kitchen and the obvious mayhem that occurred in the master bedroom, the police noticed something else unusual. There were strange burn marks on the carpet and the whole house smelled of gas. Outside an officer checked on Cameron

in the patrol car and saw that he was very upset. Cameron told the officer, just kill me now. When the officer asked why, Cameron responded with, I tried to kill my parents. Who fucking does that? Evonne and Zach were in bad shape even though they hadn't been shot. But still alive. Both were taken to the hospital while their sons were taken to the Gwyneth County police headquarters for booking and interrogation. Police knew part of the story. Chris and Cameron's plan began with drugging their parents, with Xanax, the night before,

with their dinner. Detective Reed Walters and Sergeant Ted Conlon first interviewed Chris, determined to find out what happened next and why. Chris's clothes had been stripped and taken as evidence because they were covered in his parents' blood. He sat in the interview room shirtless and silent and slowly gave the investigators more of the story. Remember that smell of gas and a mixture of gasoline the brothers had spread around the home and the odor was that of natural gas spewing from the gas line they had broken. The burn marks were from candles they had placed nearby to hopefully ignite the fumes and burn

the house down with their parents inside. An idea they got from a television show, Tyler Perry's The Havs and The Hav Noughts. On the show a woman is mad at her husband. So while he sleeps, she pours gas all around the house and sets it on fire. Don't worry, he escapes. It was scripted. But Chris and Cameron went way off script. Nothing happened. No fire, no explosions, no murder. explosions no murder Well, I mean it's not it's not necessarily work out of one but you just not I just saw it and This my parents favor show Yeah, really this they're very sure they watch every Tuesday like they said together. They come home early on Tuesday

So they can watch this show And I was like chamber day glad The house and the house broke So you know, he's got to burn down the house. What do we do? We waited all night and then it didn't work. And then we were like, hold on, how small are the gasoline? And those candles that come and burn the carpet in certain places? It had been too late to back out.

They had to finish what they started and kill their parents. Their original plan to drug their parents so that they could burn them while they slept, while a plausible plan failed miserably, leaving them only with questions of how to accomplish their deed. out. We were going to go up there and tell them that somebody broke into the house and we knew to get out. But then, they didn't seem like a very believable idea. So we thought we'd already started this. We thought as fixation will work in our dinner and then we can't start it by then when you fight for parents, I don't think anybody imagines that. It was not supposed to be long time. This is when Chris lost it and broke down. This went on for a while before Chris finally spoke, hunched over with his head resting

on his crossed arms. If those negative things happen, that's why stuff. When negative things happen, you sometimes don't be in keep going. But, one support system, that you want, just just don't get it. That's you warn. This just does not care. It just does not care. That doesn't just explain what the Bible means. If that last clip was too hard to understand, I'll paraphrase for you. He basically blames his parents for not caring enough, causing an environment of stress that put him over the edge.

Later the investigators would let the brothers see each other, but first they wanted to talk to Cameron alone. He wasn't doing too well. He sat alone in another interrogation room, bawling at the top of his lungs. And just like Chris, his shirt had also been taken as evidence, leaving him bare-chested. After Cameron calmed down,

he continued to paint a picture of a bad home life, specifically aimed at their father. That was younger when I called it, he got like, he didn't want me to move the slide in one. And then I made my freshman year on cover, I co-entined. He just so much, I'm happy with a little music and a lot of that competitive. So I do encounter the gags. Daddy didn't come to games. Seems like somewhat of a flimsy excuse, considering what he ended up doing. After this, Cameron goes on a tangent about a song that somewhat explains his feelings. Have you ever heard of these songs that Super Rich Kids prefer in culture? I haven't.

Well, Super rich kids. Tell me about those little blind and campurnos. Too many white bodies and white bones. Rich kids, one of the big parents. Rich kids. The first verse of that song actually goes like this. Too many bottles of this wine we campurnos. Too many bottles of that grain, no lucky charms. like this. Poor Cameron. This all painted a very bleak picture of Cameron's view on life.

He had everything he could possibly want, but what he really wanted was mommy and daddy's affection. So my parents, three times a week, fell lucky. They're always gone. They're gonna do something on some times. They're gonna have a size of a statement for some times, or is. He goes on to complain that his parents wanted him to get out of the house and do something with his life after high school. So he enlisted in the Navy just to please them.

The conversation progressed, and finally Cameron began to not pretty sure the convoy down. He's always trying to be separatist. He's the most calm, level-edric one. I tried to sleep it off, I could. I just... It was like... I don't know, it was like... Oh, my body was moving, I don't know, but I was just watching.

All right? Playing in that room. Playing my dad, plan of life. Don't cut these horrible chapters. Okay? Go on. You got into a million, somebody's a snap. Nobody from the bed. Trying to stop you.

Then I'm working with you. The crap I can. Trying You try to stop me. You try to stop me. You try to stop me. You try to stop me. You try to stop me. You try to stop me. You try to stop me.

You try to stop me. You try to stop me. You try to stop me. You try to stop me. You try to stop me. You try to stop me. You try to stop me. You try to stop me.

You try to stop me. You try to stop me. You try to stop me. You try to stop me. You try to stop me. You try to stop me. You try to stop me. You try to stop me. You try to stop me. You try to stop me. You try to stop me. Cameron confessed to the crime, but his story differed slightly from Chris's. After speaking with Cameron for some time, the police allowed the brothers to see one another, so Chris could console Cameron and hopefully get him to cooperate fully.

Chris entered the room and greeted his brother with his arms wide open. They embraced each other, and Cameron began to cry again. He had not been through a war, but definitely a battle. We made a bad decision is certainly an understatement. Chris went on to tell his baby brother the truth about the situation they were in. These officers coming in, I ask you what happened, you just tell them to truth. One moment, that's okay. They're not going to test the virus, I guess that's what. I think this is not going to be better.

We're 10, two, right up and up. It's different. Does what I'm saying is, you know what I'm saying? Fuck ups, indeed. As they sat in the interrogation room contemplating what they had done, they began to realize what they had to look prison, Chris gave his brother this advice. with morbid curiosity. Chris asked Cameron about stabbing their father. While the brothers were sitting in lockup, their parents were in the hospital. Their father was the worst off. Somehow, they made it through. They survived. And to everyone's surprise, when they were released from care, they publicly forgave their children. Yvonne still had the remnants of two black eyes. Those were not our boys.

They did that to us. We did not raise our boys that way. We understand their consequences for what they did that to us we did not raise our boys that way. We understand their consequences for what they did they understand that but we're just praying that the world forgives them in the same way that we forgive them. How can I forgive them after we have that? That's really it's all for the glory of God. God is going to be glorified in this situation so well we just need you guys to know we're not going to sit up here and ask to answer the wise and it doesn't matter. It's all for the glory of God.

But we forgive our sons, we love them unconditionally, and we had to make sure that they understand that, strengthen themselves. So, I mean, that's really all we have to say. But we just want the world to know that we love them, and we want them to, everyone to understand unconditional love and forgiveness. To further their message of unconditional love and forgiveness, they appeared on national news where they addressed the questions. Why did they do it? And how could you forgive them? Well, we don't know what happened. I mean, it's just a kids had one bad moment, you know, it was one bad moment.

Were there any kind of sign signals, anything? What was the sort of behavior before this happened? And that's the crazy part, nothing. I mean, our children had prepared dinner for us the night before. There had been Xanax put in our drinks, so we were drugged. We just didn't know what had happened. We didn't know that was totally out of character for them. They're not violent.

They've never gotten any type of trouble with violence or shoes or anything. Just a human teenager. There's a teenager. They have issues with cleaning their room and having attitudes. Sometimes when you tell them to do something, it's like every family I'm sure experiences with nothing that will indicate anything like this. What do you feel the consequences should be for

your side? That's up to God to determine that. You know I just pray for mercy. There's people who are incarcerated now that have had one bad day. By no means am I discounting what has happened. You know, I look at my wife, I look at her scars, I look at the things that happen, I look at me. One bad day. When they looked at the two men that attacked them, Chris and Cameron's parents could only see their children looking back and could only feel forgiveness.

Inspired by their tragedy, they began a foundation fighting for forgiveness, ink, spreading awareness of depression and suicide. The brothers claimed that they had a stressful home life that combined with drugs caused them to make one really bad decision. They regretted it. They were remorseful. They were. I'm sure they got caught. The victims forgave them and said they understood. But none of this mattered. and said they understood. But none of this mattered. The decision was now up to the courts, and they were guilty. They threw themselves on the mercy of the court,

waving their right to a preliminary hearing and going straight to trial. Then in trial, they pleaded guilty. Danny Porter, Gwyneth County District Attorney, spoke to the complexity of the case. The accusation and the warrants indicate that they tried to burn the house down by turning the gas on and leaving a lit candle and then waited for the explosion and apparently waited for a period of time and that didn't happen and then they went in and made the assaults on their parents which according to the warrants also included stabbing their father.

I've had cases where children try to kill their parents. I've had cases where they plotted to kill their parents. I've had cases where they tried to burn the house down, or I've had cases where there's been arson involved, but I've never had the combination of the two. I haven't had a case where there was sort of this sequence of events, where there was the first attempt that failed apparently, and then they went in to carry out what they had planned.

And there's also the apparent lack of motive. There were statements made about a bad home life, a sort of generic statements, but there's no specific- From the sons. From the sons, but there's no specifics, and there's no evidence of it. Regardless of the drugs or the supposed bad home life,

they were guilty. And the DA was determined to put them away for as long as possible, charging them with possession of a firearm during a crime, armed robbery, false imprisonment, kidnapping, and aggravated assault. Notice there isn't a charge for attempted murder. That's because in the state of Georgia, aggravated assault has a higher maximum penalty of 20 years, as opposed to 10 for attempted murder. Weird, right? All in all, the brothers were looking at a potential of 30 years in prison for one supposed bad day.

During the trial, Zach and Avon took the stand to beg for their children's future. Been in that room, been in that house on that night. I saw Satan and I knew shortly after that that what had happened to us wasn't, wasn't my sons. I asked for help for them.

And I also would ask for special requests if I can. That we be allowed to cause. These decisions are always difficult for a judge, especially in the face of the pleading family. judge, especially in the face of the pleading family. In the end, the judge sentenced Chris and Cameron to 20 years in prison for their crimes. Chris's attorney, Thomas Clegg shared his thoughts about the case. The only thing I've ever seen when I first met my client, I met a low-key, calm, quiet, polite young man who is as respectful as could be. He has been that way through the entirety of my representation. The family has been as gracious and

as thoughtful and forgiving as one could possibly imagine. Something went dramatically wrong on that particular morning. Ultimately I do not know but it was so ridiculously out of character as to defy comprehension. Bottom line is, I truly believe these are good kids who get something incredibly bad. I was hoping for 10. I was fearful of the 30. I thought the judge might split the difference and he did so. So I think this is a situation where neither side is completely satisfied, but the judge

did what he thought was the right thing. They have to do every day of the first 10 years, and then after that it will be up to the parole board. It was Cameron Irving's 19th birthday when he heard he would be spending the next 20 years in prison. This year Cameron will be 21, and Chris is now 25 years old. By the time of their first parole hearing, they will be 29 and 33. And if it doesn't go well, they will be 38 and 42 in the year 2035. They will spend their time behind bars separately, with Chris in River Bend Correctional Facility and Cameron in Walker State Prison.

Coddled, spoiled, entitled, rich kids. Not happy with their lives. Despite having way more than the majority of others, having the unconditional love and forgiveness of their parents, despite the atrocity that they tried to inflict upon them. Some people, no matter what, simply do not appreciate what they have. you